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DEL.ICIO.USAP poll puts margin at 1 point — is that possible?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
A new AP poll has given conservatives hope and liberals palpitations, putting Obama up by just one point among likely voters.
So far, though, that result’s an outlier. The latest Washington Post/ABC poll puts the margin among likely voters at 11; a new Fox poll puts it at nine, also among likely voters. So the tricky part seems to be in how you define a likely voter. (Among total respondents, the AP poll puts the margin at 10 points.)
To see how that can affect a poll, take a look at Gallup’s tracking poll, which slices its data three ways. Among registered voters, Gallup puts the margin at nine points. Among those judged as likely voters by their own statements, the margin is eight points. And among those judged as likely voters based on their own statements AND their history of voting, the Gallup margin is five. In that third version, a voter who has never voted but insists she will vote this time may not be classified as a likely voter.
So in other words, how much credence does a pollster give to those who claim to be motivated to participate this time, even though they don’t have a record of voting in the past?
Based on turnout in early voting, I’d say that a lot of those people are actually showing up. But AP is less convinced. Maybe they’re right — we’ll know in 12 days and a few hours.
By the way, there’s a hilarious piece by Roger Simon at Politico, headlined “Democrats’ gloom deepens,” about the refusal of many Obama supporters to believe the poll numbers.
“The Democrats are poised on the brink of victory. And they cannot stand it. The news is too good. Something has to go wrong.
On Saturday, Charlie Cook, an independent analyst and author of the Cook Report, wrote: “This election isn’t over, but it is looking very bad for Republicans — and seems to be getting worse.”
This plunged the Democrats into a deep gloom. Good news is always bad news for them.”
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Comments
By Midori
October 22, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this
oh noes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doom and gloom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
All of Rove’s tricks and all of Andy’s gin couldn’t put the GOP together again
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this
If you call enough democrats it’s pretty safe to say you will find that they want Oblahma, the answer that you want to hear.
So keep calling democrats, morons.
Fool yourselves, if you must.
By Midori
October 22, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
oh,
go suck down another case of vodka.
bwahahahahahahaha
By Paul
October 22, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
Bravo! Question the process by which the numbers were derived. Revealing, isn’t it?
Democrats have been so used, on the national level, to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, that I suppose gloom is inevitable. But it begs the question: just how is it they manage to blow it at the last minute?
Seems posts I do with links don’t go through. So to repost:
You write, events unfold. The other day you decried Palin’s inaccessibility to the media. Seems not only has that changed, she’s more accessible than Obama-Biden!
Google: “ABC News Palin Now Much More Media Accessible Than Biden”
and “CBS News Biden’s Traveling Press Corps Finds Little Opportunity To Ask Him Questions”
If Pres Obama ever lets him speak, it’s gonna be a fun four years. Maybe that’ll pop the Democrats out of their funk?
By Midori
October 22, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
Voter displeasure with the war and economy, coupled with Sen. Barack Obama’s popularity, has the House GOP running for cover. Even though polls have shown that Americans don’t like congressional Democrats any more, a new internal GOP tally of House races suggests a Democratic route that could keep the Republicans in the minority for decades. A document provided to Washington Whispers from a House GOP official shows that they could lose a net 34 seats. That means the Democrats would have a 270-165 advantage in the 111th Congress. In the Senate, Republicans expect to lose also but to keep up to 44 seats, ensuring their ability to stage a filibuster.
NOOOOOOOO
WER’E ALL GONNA DIE
By Bud Wiser
October 22, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
Uh oh.
Right again.
Tis an awesome burden I bear.
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
Jay B,
Maybe if the other polls released as much info as this AP poll we could figure out which ones appear more accurate. On the one hand this AP had 40% of the sample saying they were Democrats and 29% Republican which on it’s face would sound like like bad news for Obama, but the survey heavily out sampled the south and to an an even greater extent suburban/rural areas over urban. They do seem to handle the so called cell phone gap pretty well.
By Bud Wiser
October 22, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
A Barack Obama administration would be a “nation killer
Maybe more people are waking up to this fraud, The Token One, that Democrats are fronting this year.
Or, maybe a lot of them heard it straight from the horse’s mouth when he told Joe the Plumber about “spreading the wealth around”.
Maybe, just maybe, enough Americans are not as stupid as the media and the DNC would leave us to believe, and a great Awakening against Obama is just beginning.
Hey Dimwittocrats….BOO, it’s the October Surprise!
hahahahahaha
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid, and now very, very nervous and upset
By AmVet
October 22, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this
Mr. Bookman, I like the premise.
The national Democratic Party is infamous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
But in an ironic twist the parties have changed roles.
And now it is the GOP that is viewed as the more bungling, identity-crisis ridden of the two.
Karma…
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this
If you think about it, AP has been getting hammered about it’s credibility lately, it had gone totally in the bag for the democrat party, with complete disregard for basic decency.
Just recently, they have realized what an idiotic move that was and have tried to inch back to the center.
Maybe this poll was just an attempt at honesty on their part?
After all, the percentage of people that they polled was 80% landline versus 20% cellphone, where as most of these “landslide” polls have been calling 100% cellphones.
Prediction: Next week, maybe sooner, you will see a dramatic tightening of the race across the board, due to the fact that many of these pollsters do not want to be wrong by 10 points or so.
They will start calling people at home, instead of the college kids and the deadbeats.
They have their reputations to protect, after all.
By getalife
October 22, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this
Finally, the last poll is over in two weeks and the end of a most bizarre cycle.
One of two corrupt Senators are going to save our country.
Well, half the country and other party will be fighting him tooth and nail.
United we stand, divided we fall.
By NRB
October 22, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
It’s likely that the AJC will finally fold next year due to the populace not bothering to pick up some newspapers to read about the election.
The normal news cycle will set in again and the AJC will go from trashing white republicans to just trashing evil whitey as a whole like it always does and the readership will dwindle.
Even Obama can’t save Jay’s fate of hanging out in Piedmont park trying to sell enough pencils to boil up a used Nike sneaker for dinner.
I give my post a margin of error of +0% -0%.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this
Let’s hope the AP poll is wrong.
Latest Real Clear polls.
Electoral College continues to look good for Obama.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
Can you believe these idiot liberals:
John McCain POW Footage Released- The video portrays the Republican as a hero but the message may be tarnished as he is filmed smoking a cigarette.
Oblahma smokes, don’t he?
What morons.
By ByteMe
October 22, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this
Bad methodology used to create the poll.
If you dig deep into the poll, you’ll see that their sample included 13% black in the total, but the “likely” was only considered to be 14%. That is going to turn out to be way wrong. Their numbers for Democrats vs. Republicans is also off compared to the current national average (too light on the Democrat side).
My guess is that their definition for “likely” is going to mean they voted in the previous election. And that’s going to be very wrong for this election season.
At least they also included about 25% cell phones.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Biden spokesperson David Wade said on Tuesday that Biden had no plans to revisit those statements. Obama, when asked today about Biden’s statement, called them “rhetorical flourishes.”
The handful of reporters from Biden’s national press corps who have followed him incessantly for two months have not had the opportunity to ask questions regarding the “crisis” matter - even to allow Biden to clarify his remarks - because he has not taken questions or held a press availability with his press corps since Sept. 7.-CBS News
Hehehehe.
Palin has also become increasingly accessible to local and national media. Since the vice presidential debate, she’s participated in multiple interviews with local television stations across the country, and this week she gives interviews to CNN and NBC News.-Politico
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
OMG:
Obama didn’t get to his mother before she died. “Yeah, got there too late,” he says. “You know, I mean, it was sort of like this, in the sense that she had a terminal illness. We knew she wasn’t doing well, but you know, the diagnosis was such that we thought we had a little more time and we didn’t. And so I want to make sure that I don’t make the same mistake twice.”-CBS
Time for what?
OMG.
His mother????
OMG.
By RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
Do you slimy liberals even care that we are not a democracy of “most votes wins” but a republic of electoral votes? Before you get your panties in a wad (that DOES include you, Jay), you might consider the counts by state. You morons keep making the same mistake election after election and then whining like a bunch of sissies when the the actual result doesn’t match the poll numbers. Well DUH!!! How many times do you dimwits have to do this routine before you catch on? Will you ever catch on?
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
ByteMe,
That 14% doesn’t mean 14% of the people surveyed will vote it reflects that the likely black vote will be 14% of the total turnout. How far off can that be?
By lostindixie
October 22, 2008 8:04 PM | Link to this
You have to look at the internal poll numbers to get a sense of how much of an outlier this one is. The biggest internal, I think, is that they list 44% of LV as born again/evangelical. In 2004 this was generally measured at 24%. Now, think outside the georgia/bible belt box here everyone. Do you really think that 44% of Americans consider themselves born again/evangelical?
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 7:58 PM
I guess she can finally find Iraq on an atlas.
Seriously, she needs to go home and take care of her family and prepare for an IRS audit.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
Go figure:
Media coverage of John McCain has been heavily unfavorable since the political conventions, more than three times as negative as the portrayal of Barack Obama, a new study says.
Fifty-seven percent of the print and broadcast stories about the Republican nominee were decidedly negative, the Project for Excellence in Journalism says in a report out today, while 14 percent were positive. The McCain campaign has repeatedly complained that the mainstream media are biased toward the senator from Illinois.
Obama’s coverage was more balanced during the six-week period from Sept. 8 through last Thursday, with 36 percent of the stories clearly positive, 35 percent neutral or mixed and 29 percent negative.-The Trail
By RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
TN Duncling,
Is there some part of “Governor of a US state with an 80% approval rating from the people of that state” that you don’t understand? You do realize Palin’s 80% approval rating is better than the 11% approval rating for Pelosi’s congress, don’t you? You get that 80% is better than 11%? Based on your posts, it’s not clear if you understand basic math.
By TW
October 22, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this
DNC@8:12 -
bwa.
I think you’ll find that the Unibomber’s coverage was less favorable than that of Mother Theresa’s, as well.
quit crying. McSame is a bush republican, and bush republicans tried to ruin us.
game.
set.
match.
bwa.
By Alec
October 22, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this
That’s alright. We’re driving our senior neighbors to vote for Obama tomorrow after work. Everyone in the Stone Mountain area is getting involved this time.
So long, Saxby. So long, McCain.
Hello, President Barack Hussein Obama!
By Jennifer
October 22, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this
Shouldn’t we be sending out robocalls
to evangelicals saying that, since Obama is in fact the anti-Christ it is necessary to elect him in order to fulfill prophecy and bring about the Rapture?
Could work, and even if it doesn’t, it would still be a lot of fun.
By Tsiangkun
October 22, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
ADVERTISERS have a vested interest in keeping this race close. Trust no polls.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this
1984 Newsweek Poll: Walter Mondale beating Ronald Reagan by 18 points
For weeks before the presidential election, the gurus of public opinion polling were nearly unanimous in their findings. In survey after survey, they agreed that the coming choice between President Jimmy Carter and Challenger Ronald Reagan was “too close to call.” A few points at most, they said, separated the two major contenders.
But when the votes were counted, the former California Governor had defeated Carter by a margin of 51% to 41% in the popular vote—a rout for a U.S. presidential race.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 8:17 PM
80% and falling.
Win or lose, she’ll be out in 9 months.
By G
October 22, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
The scariest finding mentioned in the article is McCain’s gain among people making less than $50,000 a year.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Do you honestly think that a guy who makes over $300,000 a year, married to a gal who makes over $4,000,000 a year and between them own 13 cars and seven houses can actually relate to your situation?
Do you honestly think that they can conjure up one legitimate ounce of empathy for you?
Do you really think McCain/ Palin are going to go to the mat to put more money in your pocket?
Good luck with that.
But that’s what so many people do. They LIVE POOR, VOTE RICH.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
SCARY ISN’T IT? AFTER ALL, IT IS HALLOWEEN
By Dawggy Style
October 22, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
WE WANT BIDEN - UNFILTERED! Please let little Joey Biden out of timeout so he can come out and play! If he really is “the brains” behind the DemWit’s campaign then put him on next week’s prime time infomercial with a microphone and whiteboard and stand back! I, for one, would certainly love to hear his “clarification” of his Obama/imminent crisis comments.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
Let’s us look and see how America is really going to vote:
As the shouting from the trail and the frantic spinning from the anchor desks intensify, the audience is voting with their remotes.
All 3 evening news shows experienced audience drops year-to-year for the week of Oct. 13-19, 2008.
CBSNEWS w/ Couric shed a half a million viewers, falling from 6.4 million to 5.9 million; ABCNEWS dropped from 8.1 million to 7.6 million; NBCNEWS slumped from 8.2 million to 7.8 million.
Buh bye liars!
By ByteMe
October 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
RW: sorry for delay. Still working. Sigh
How far off can it be?
Well, here in GA, the current expectations are 27% black vote. Early voting numbers are trending near 37% now.
14% of the total vote when they have a dog in this hunt for the first time? Nuh-uh.
By AmVet
October 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this
Jaun Mo Time,
NEW YORK Since she was picked for the Veep spot, the press has often noted that Sarah Palin has “80%” approval ratings in Alaska. Just yesterday, John McCain told the Des Moines Register editorial board that she is “the most popular governor in the United States.” Which is incorrect. And that figure is outdated.
McClatchy reports today that her approval rating in her home state has tumbled to 68%.
My swag is it will continue to drop even more…
And ALL because of that damned LIBERAL media!!!
ROTFLMAO
BTW, after considering it, I now think she is as qualified as anyone for the VP slot.
I mean really, what are the requirements?
1) Be a member of one of the two political parties
2) Be able to read and write
3) Follow the marching orders from the corporate paymasters.
And I think she’ll be just fine when she gets back to being the governor of Alaska in a couple of weeks.
By NRB
October 22, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
GO @ 8:47 PM
The only person I rely on to put money in my pocket is ME, not the government.
I guess that’s the stark difference.
Dems want government to provide for them, the rest of us rely on ourselves, like adults.
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Dawggy Style,
For the next two days Obama claims he’ll be off the trail checking on his grandmother. For those two days Michelle Obama and Joe Biden will both be doing campaign events. If the press chooses to cover those events this election could well be over by Saturday morning.
By RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
Hey G, you do know Obama made $4,000,000 last year, don’t you? I mean, surely if you’re going to play class warfare and claim McCain can’t possibly know your pain because he makes too much money you’re going to apply the same criteria to Obama, right?
Dumbarse.
But don’t let facts get in the way of your silly little 2nd grade level analogy.
By ByteMe
October 22, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this
RW: Here’s a good rundown on how polls may be missing the boat, including how “unlikely” voters turned out in droves in the primaries.
FiveThirtyEight.com
By @@
October 22, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
Everybody but me has probably seen this already, but those little girls are amazingly gifted. 6 to 8 years old?
I wonder if OBlahMa would see fit to put his hand over his heart for THEM at least?
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
ByteMe,
I think you’re still not reading the AP poll properly. It isn’t saying that that the black vote will be 14% of the black population that will vote, it’s saying that the black vote will make up 14% of the total vote. The last report I saw said the black population was about 13.5% of the overall US population.
There are some odd numbers in this AP poll, but that 14% isn’t one of them.
By Billy
October 22, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this
After all, the percentage of people that they polled was 80% landline versus 20% cellphone, where as most of these “landslide” polls have been calling 100% cellphones.
Care to cite a source for this statistic?
By Dusty
October 22, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this
G@8:47
What’s scary about McCain? He has already fought for every citizen in this country and sacrificed almost 5 years of his life to do it. I dont’ believe he was fighting just for rich people. He was fighting for every American. Now he fights for them in other ways.
Cindy McCain was visiting an orphanage in Bangladesh and saw a baby girl with such a serious cleft palate the nuns could hardly feed her. Cindy McCain took the baby home for medical help and then they adopted her. I believe she is about 19 years old now.
So you think the McCain’s don’t care about anybody but themselves. Cindy has also set up relief offices in various parts of the world and supports and visits them. She went to Georgia after the Russian invasion to see what was needed and how she could help.
Yeah, “the McCains don’t care about anybody but themselves”. And that is ANOTHER THING DEMOCRATS SAY WHEN THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
1) Washington Post
Media Notes Study: Coverage of McCain Much More Negative Than That of Obama By Howard Kurtz
“Media coverage of John McCain has been heavily unfavorable since the political conventions, more than three times as negative as the portrayal of Barack Obama, a new study says.
Fifty-seven percent of the print and broadcast stories about the Republican nominee were decidedly negative, the Project for Excellence in Journalism says in a report out today, while 14 percent were positive. The McCain campaign has repeatedly complained that the mainstream media are biased toward the senator from Illinois.”
2) Meridian Magazine Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights? By Orson Scott Card
Editor’s note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html
JAY: #2 IS REQUIRED READING FOR YOU
By NRB
October 22, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
Well Dusty let’s be fair…we all know that Democrats are very generous…the only problem is that they are generous with OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
To Ms. G
You never said how you liked my two stories? And how about that martial law thing in D.C. IN 1968 ?
I’m still waiting. Cat got your tongue ?
By Dawggy Style
October 22, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
Good point RW. Someone in the media corps can make his or her career (and … ho hum … SAVE THE COUNTRY!) during the next few days. Stay tuned!
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
I choose DD-214’s at 20 paces !
Are you game ?
By RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
TN, Are you kidding me? You’re answer to her 80% approval rating is to note it’s “falling”? Well, let me share a revelation with you lightweight, so is Pelosi’s 11%.
And given the 24/7 relentless bashing from the “in the back pocket of Obama” media, why would that surprise anybody? You pathetic little maggots have treated her like the plague since she arrived on the scene. You can’t argue with her success as a governor, so you’ve bashed her children, her husband, her appearance, and every other little thing about her. You’ve b*** and cried like sissies because she wasn’t available enough to your seagull media while ignoring the fact you haven’t asked Obama a dam thing.
Your problem, TN, is you’re to dang stupid to see the reality going on in front of your face. Wake up sheep!!!
By ByteMe
October 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
RW: You sure? The way I read it, it said that the respondants were 13% black and of “likely voters” they were 14% of respondants. Which would mean they are being underrepresented in the poll unless they weighted them to an expected number of “likely” black voters, which will be higher this year than in past years. Same with the number of Democrats, which was also low compared to Republicans (the diff was 4% when the regular population is 8% and Democrats have been polled numerous times to be “more enthusiastic” this year than Republicans, as witnessed early voting being 62% Democrat so far).
The poll methodology is just off. Gonna be an outlier, like yesterday’s PEW poll that showed a 14% gap which can’t possibly be accurate.
Ok, enough fun for the day. Off to dreamland.
By Zach
October 22, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett calling someone stupid —- now that’s irony… you’re all p and vinegar all the time on this blog, calling names, knashing yer buck teeth, acting like a spoiled little boy who’s about to get a whipping.
Well, boy, your whippin’s comin in November.
By Taxpayer
October 22, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
Grunt Corporal,
I don’t need confirmation of your armchair support. I believe it’s holding you up just fine.
By Jen
October 22, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett sure is an angry Tuesday Wednesday And Thursday….sheesh.
I still laugh at completely retarded things like “Democrats like for government to take of them. Republicans like to take of themselves, like adults.”
Variations of “I know you are, so what am I?”
And other Dr Seuss stories.
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
ByteMe,
The sample polled was 40% Democrat and 29% Republican. I think if you look at my 7:06 it’ll show better reasons why this poll seems to be off.
By Mrs.Godzilla
October 22, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this
NO
By sunshine and thunder
October 22, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Do any of you honestly think that blogs such as this will be permissible under an Obama administration AND a democrat super majority in congress?
Not no but HELL no.
First, the fairness doctrine will make talk radio economically unfeasible. Next certain internet sites will be banned from any place that receives federal funding.
Next, search engines will be persuaded to exclude certain sites.
Just keep stepping in that direction and you’ll see what I mean.
The internet is the enemy of the democrat party. There are too many BS seeking missiles on it.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 9:23 PM
Two words: Spiro Agnew.
Her approval rating won’t mean a thing to the IRS. But maybe she can claim diplomatic immunity, being from Alaska and all.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 22, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
By Billy October 22, 2008 9:13 PM After all, the percentage of people that they polled was 80% landline versus 20% cellphone, where as most of these “landslide” polls have been calling 100% cellphones. Care to cite a source for this statistic?
NBC “News” Oblahma +10
Check out the others that are 9 to 13 points, they won’t even give a total, they just say we polled both landlines and cellphones.
Buh bye liars!
By Hillbilly Deluxe
October 22, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
People see what they want to see in polls. The only poll that matters is Nov. 4.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Let’s make an exception and let one dead person vote. MLK,Jr.
By RB from Gwinnett
October 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
TN, you morons have been dreaming the same dreams about Bush for 7.5 years and still can’t find the first thing on him. Try living in reality for a while.
By John
October 22, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Jay, I am getting a funny feeling about GA and voting. First, Ms Handel says there was no significant increase in voting, then we hear about these long lines of people waiting to vote early, next the news begins to report expected long wait times on Nov. 4, and just today we hear about connection failures in Fulton County. The big mess on election day could be centered in GA. Am I paranoid?
By getalife
October 22, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Lets agree whichever corrupt Senator wins, we will blindly support our new President for country first.
By G
October 22, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
If McNasty wants to talk about redistributing wealth to those who don’t need it and don’t deserve it, let’s talk about the $700,000 tax cut he wants to give Fortune 500 CEOs, who’ve been making out like bandits - some of them literally.
Let’s talk about the $300 billion he wants to give to the same Wall Street banks that got us into this mess.
Let’s talk about the $4 billion he wants to give oil companies like Exxon-Mobil, or the $200 billion he wants to give the biggest corporations in America.
Let’s talk about the 100 million middle-class Americans who McNasty doesn’t want to give a single dime of tax relief.
Don’t tell me that CEOs and oil companies deserve a tax break before the men and women who are working overtime day after day and still can’t pay the bills.
That’s not right, and that’s not change.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Mrs.Godzilla
October 22, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this
BRAVA
SUNSHINE AND THUNDER
You are quite the diva of democratic doom.
You don’t know the half of it toots.
We LIBERAL REAL AMERICANS are gonna do stuff that will make you want to dig a room underground to live in for thirty years.
That is of course if you don’t believe in peace, love and understanding.
You may not be audacious enough to hope.
By Midori
October 22, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
oh no!!!!!!
Obama is gonna take my internets!!!!!
I’M DOOMED!!!
DOOOOOMED
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!
Getalife:
the crabs were good. couldn’t wait until Sunday :)
By Mrs.Godzilla
October 22, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this
GOP supression efforts in NV and IN took a hit tonight…..
Proactivity is very good.
By Mrs.Godzilla
October 22, 2008 10:20 PM | Link to this
Damn! can’t the DNC pop for $99.99!
Peek Here
I like this man.
By G
October 22, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
Chris Matthews Battles Nancy Pfotenhauer Over Elementary School Civics
I saw this tonight on Hardball. Chris really cleaned her clock.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/chris-matthews-battles-nan137030.html)
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Tonto
October 22, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this
Goodbye Social Security. Since McCain hates socialism he will eliminate all those socialistic programs like Social Security and Medicare. You’re on your own old people.
By AmVet
October 22, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
In a strange kind of way I actually pity the rapidly dwindling rabid right these days.
It must be difficult for them to finally accept the inevitable collapse of their terrible ideology and the disgraceful end of their beloved leaders.
Chanel surfing a few minutes ago I saw Newt the Nut lamenting the unfair treatment of everyone GOP, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah. The nut job is the very epitome of pious Republican frauds. And of one who cannot lose like a man.
Next Larry Kudlow blaming the preyed upon and giving a complete pass to the unscrupulous creditors.
It is little wonder that the least cogent and ethical here, ape these men and their ridiculously futile ideas.
But when the electoral hammer comes down in a scant few days, who will these McCarthyites turn to to put salve on their wounds?
Pray for rain. And that Sister Sarah and Pat Dobson can get their god to intervene and get McCain elected…
By Midori
October 22, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
G,
Tweety went medieval on her a$$
By Stephen
October 22, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this
Polls have always been a joke. The number of people that are usually surveyed in order for them to make their percentage predictions are too small and unreliable. Polls can be controlled so that they tell any story the pollsters want them to convey. I believe polls about as much as I believe the weather predictors in the Atlanta TV market….in other words…they are wrong the majority of the time!!!! Don’t believe the hype…go vote early and check your ballot because you know that in GA strange things can happen, especially if you’re voting for Obama/Biden.
Also…GA is now the #2 state in job losses…way to go Sonny Perdue and Casey Cagle!!! Oops…that too is a Republican administration correct????
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
* Tonto*
October 22, 2008 10:25 PM
McCain received $23,157 in 2007 in Social Security benefits.
Plus a $58k disability pension from the USN. Not to mention his $169,300 senate salary.
Maverick or bandit?
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit. Socialism means control of the productive forces for the good of the whole community instead of the few who live on hilltops and in mansions. Socialism means priorities based on human need instead of corporate greed. Socialism creates the conditions for a decent and creative quality of life for all
Imagine what the polls would look like if this country had investigative media that was interested in more than Joe the Plumber’s tax returns.
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
Talk is cheap buddy.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this
AmVet
October 22, 2008 10:26 PM
Yeah, I’m feeling a little sorry for Bush, too. NOT!
I’ve still got my fingers crossed. There are still 12 game-changing days to go. Anything could happen.
By "The Corporal"
October 22, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
To Ms. G
Still waiting. Last chance. Cat got your tongue?
By Mrs.Godzilla
October 22, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Waiting for what?
Did I miss one of your insighful questions?
Sorry.
Oh please, please give me another chance tomorrow? I’ll give you my full and complete attention.
Also, nope, no cat. Alergic. The ‘Zillettes had one for 15 years, huge solid black DSH named UZI. Great cat. For a cat. I kept my distance.
By Tonto
October 22, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this
That’s true TN Gelding, but John has a sugar momma in Cindy. That’s why he doesn’t want to increase her taxes.
Warren Buffet has stated that he pays less percentage of his income in taxes than his housekeeper. Cindy McCain is rich even by John’s standards. Yet she paid only 28% of her income in taxes in 2006 and 26% in 2007. John on the other hand earned 24 times less income and closer to middle class and yet paid 34% and 33% of his income. Why are the rich not paying their fair share? Why would anyone except for John want to continue this tax cut for the rich which amounts to welfare for the rich?
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this
Tonto,
Warren Buffet is free to both send as much extra money to the treasury as he sees fit and free to pay his housekeeper more. At least for now.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this
Tonto
October 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Certainly they could afford to pay more, even tho they’re paying a huge share of the total revenue received from income taxes because so much of the money needed to fund the government is being borrowed.
It’s a tough call right now with the slowing economy, but I think we all need to be paying a little more. Understand that the Forbes 400 have taken a huge hit in the stock market recently and are probably a little shaken.
By RW-(the original)
October 22, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this
Attention lefties!
You better try reining in your overconfidence or people like Jeff Bingaman are going to unmask you before election day.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this
The POW.
By TN Gelding
October 22, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this
The Maverick.
By "The Corporal"
October 23, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this
To Mrs. G.
YOUR QUESTION:
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 22, 2008 1:26 PM
CORPORAL And that martial law was declared when?
2005 in New Orleans? 1941 in Hawaii? 1906 or 1934 San Francisco?
PLEASE TELL US YOUR MARTIAL LAW STORY!
MY ANSWER:
I’m really not sure what you’re getting at but my answer was :
Baltimore/Washington, D.C. - 1968
By TN Gelding
October 23, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this
“The Corporal”
October 23, 2008 12:40 AM
Get some rest.
More fuzzy math.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 23, 2008 5:37 AM | Link to this
Long Term Fears Pummel DOW!!!!!-Front Page of Urinal/Doom and Gloom
Fears of what?
CONSTRUCTION BEGINS FOR OBAMA’S BIG ELECTION NIGHT BASH
Shees, don’t scare me like that.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 23, 2008 5:44 AM | Link to this
I guess the Doom and Gloom thinks their lame-o candidate can’t close the deal:
Will gas price dip help?
Record number of drug woes
Health care on back burner?
Brown’s financial aplomb shows in crisis
Building forecasts not sunny
Housing woes hit cabinet suppliers hard
He needs some help, huh?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 23, 2008 5:53 AM | Link to this
Obama’s campaign shrugged when legal doubts were raised about the sloppy voter registration practices of ACORN — an organization that Obama himself has both helped and praised.
Yet Obama once was a stickler for proper voter documents. In 1996, he had all of his Democratic rivals removed from the ballot in an Illinois state primary election on the basis of sloppy voter petitions.-Victor Hanson, NRO
Selective enforcement of the law, used as a bat to beat on their opponents.
That sounds about liberal.
By ben
October 23, 2008 6:19 AM | Link to this
What does it say about the kind of folks that support one candidate versus the other that police all over the country are beefing up election day forces in case of riots if one particular candidate loses? And I’ll give you a hint, no one is worried about riots of McCain loses.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 23, 2008 6:45 AM | Link to this
Wanting to raise taxes — anyone’s taxes — in a slowdown is a warning sign of a misguided economic philosophy. Mr. Obama’s proposal to redistribute wealth is a warning of indifference or hostility to enterprise. Mr. Obama’s health-care plan is a warning that government will have more, not less, to say about your health care if he has his way. Mr. Obama’s dismissal of offshore drilling and opposition to nuclear power are warning signs for an economy whose growth depends on affordable energy..-Rove, WSJ
You think the markets are crashing now?
By GodHatesTrash
October 23, 2008 6:48 AM | Link to this
Well, Bookman’s is now the most politically correct blog in the country!
These terms are now off limits, and will result in your post being removed:
R*dneck
H*llbilly
That’ll keep the crybabies, kkkooks and kkkrazies from whining? I doubt it.
By Taxpayer
October 23, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this
Grunt Corporal,
I apologize for not staying up late enough to catch that clever comeback before going to bed. After all, I do enjoy a little comic relief before closing my eyes for the evening and your line talk is cheap…on a blog…let me repeat that in case you didn’t get it…on a blog…is just priceless. I’ll be bursting out in random bits of laughter all day as I think of that line. So, thanks, Grunt.
By Bud Wiser
October 23, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this
In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.
With supposedly 40% of all taxpayers paying no tax whatsoever, tell me again, Dimwittocrats, your definition of fair, as opposed to unfair tax code structures. Try to do it without borrowing Oblahma’s “spreading the wealth around” socialist approach.
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.
Democrats, through their class warfare and wealth envy tactics, want to ‘soak the rich’ more than the IRS already does, they simply want more money through legislating a way to get it without the fiscal responsibility of showing how or why it is needed.
And last, but certainly not least,:
Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.
Sounds like a shifting of responsibility away from the so-called middle class has already taken place. Obama apparently wants only the super-productive segments of society to assume the bulk of the tax burden, freeing up the masses to become yet more lazy and irresponsible … except during election cycles, when they can show up en mass and vote apparently multiple times, with Dem Party sanction.
Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush’s tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers.
Sounds like Obama is more like Bush than McCain.
Want a govt link?
here it is
Obama/Biden ‘08 - 4 more years of Bush than the trolls are comfortable at admitting, therefore, making it easy to be stupid
By GodHatesTrash
October 23, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this
The GOP is still the party for racists, kkkooks, and kkkrazies, so they will win Dixie for sure. Racists, skinheads and poorly educated cowboys from the midwest and mountain states will give them their votes. “Colorful rustics from eastern mountainous regions” will put WV, OH, PA in play.
Because of the innate stupidity and superstition of so many Americans, Hensley-McCain will win November 4.
By E
October 23, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this
Ex-GOP Operative Allen Raymond Tells Cautionary Tale About ‘How To Rig An Election’
(http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/rigging.election/index.html)
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Bud Wiser
October 23, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this
Sounds like Trash has converted. If the GOP is composed of the human trash he alleges, he’ll fit right in.
By Tom
October 23, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this
The public believes in President Obama. So does big business. The drop in gas prices and the financial market rebound are directly attributable to their confidence in President Obama. We owe to him and ourselves to extend his term come Nov. 4.
– Respectfully, Thomas E. Dewey
By GodHatesTrash
October 23, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this
Aside from their love at laughing at the misfortunes of others, racist jokes, gay-bashing jokes, and jokes about women, Hensley-McCain supporters are humorless skanks.
They are incapable of irony or sarcasm, the height of their intellectual expression of humor is similar to that which can be found in many second-grade classrooms - “I know you are but what am I?”
Mental and emotional retards.
By TN Gelding
October 23, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Bud Wiser
October 23, 2008 7:28 AM
Fair would be EVERY HOUSEHOLD paying something, even if just a dollar a week.
There was absolutely no reason for Bush to cut taxes on the most wealthy among us or to drop more of the lower income earners off the income tax roll. He and Reagan are responsible for 90% of the debt, which was only $1 trillion when “The Gypper” took office. Sure the economy grew a little more, but even with the tax rate cuts and fairy tale interest rates he’s leaving a recession and biggest financial crises since the Great Depression.
What he could have done was rebate the surplus, if and when there was one, to help reduce the pain during a recession or to try to prevent one.
The wealthy are paying a higher percentage of income taxes because so many aren’t paying anything and so much of the money needed to operate the government is being borrowed.
McCain’s the one that should have challenged Bush in 2004. He, Newt and many others.
What about putting a $1 tax on every bullet sold in the good old USA?
By "The Corporal"
October 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
talk is cheap
……to communicate ideas by means other than speech, as by writing, signs, or signals……to transmit data, as between computers or between a computer and a terminal.
So what’s your point ?
By Realist
October 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
In 1948, right up until election day, Thomas Dewey was ahead of Harry Truman in EVERY poll, most by double digits. The media of that day had already crowned him President, as Truman was highly unpopular with them.
The press and media have already crowned Obama President long ago. He is a left wing lib like all of them, why would they not?
We all know who won that election. Polls mean nothing. I have no clue who is going to win November 4, but if Obama loses, look for RACIST NATION in bold letters across the front page of the AJC, on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC.
If he wins, all this hoss manure that he’s talking about “spreading the wealth” will fade off into the sunset, because if he tries to govern from the far left, he’ll guarantee a stunning loss for his party in Congress in 2010, a la Bill Clinton.
And the beat goes on.
By Ima Marxist
October 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
WARNING PARENTS: Be careful choosing a college for kids-profs could be a Socialist/Marxist!!!!! We’ve heard many times of these liberal/Communists/Socialists/Marxists and now 3000 of them have come out of the closets to support a terrorist!!!
Thousands of academics sign on to support Bill Ayers RAW STORY Published: Wednesday October 22, 2008
More than 3,000 academics have shown their support for embattled University of Illinois professor William Ayers.
“I think he’s doing a lot of positive, progressive, constructive work right now” in the field of education, said Brown University English professor and inaugural signatory William Keach to the Brown Daily Herald.
Ayers, a co-founder of the Weather Underground in 1969, has been connected repeatedly with Senator Obama by the McCain campaign, which paints Ayers as a “domestic terrorist” who “bombed the Pentagon.” Governor Palin charged in a Colorado speech on October 4 that Senator Obama is “someone who sees America…as so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
The Weather Underground’s protests of the Vietnam War were part of a “Declaration of a State of War” against the United States government, which included marches, riots and bombings of banks and government buildings.
Senator Obama has distanced himself from Ayers’ Weather Underground days, noting that he was eight years old when the group was formed. Obama and Ayers worked together in Chicago while living in the same neighborhood in the 1990s, with Ayers hosting a “coffee” for Obama’s first run for office, which has prompted accusations of Obama launching his political career “from Mr. Ayers’ living room.” Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the anti-poverty Woods Fund of Chicago between 2000 and 2002. Both have worked in education reform.
“It’s easy to paint someone with a broad brush,” added signatory and lecturer Constance Crawford, who emphasized appreciation for Ayers’ more recent accomplishments rather than focusing on the Vietnam era. “It’s easy to vilify, but it’s harder to consider.” http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Thousandsofacademicssignonto1022.html
By RealityKing
October 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Independents and Republicans shun the liberal ideology in most all forms. So if Obama should lose this election because of a racial issue.., it can only come from his fellow democrats.
By RJ
October 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
The AP poll that shows Obama up only 44 to 43 was made up of 45% of individuals describing themselves as evangelical.
By mikeysfbay
October 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
The author of the AP poll and the editor also have long pro-Republican histories.
To those who shun the liberal ideology: This country has followed a conservative ideology for nearly 30 years, and look where it has led us.
Bill Clinton’s attempted impeachment wasn’t about his sexual indiscretions, it was about his lying to Congress. And yet, George Bush and his minions have told us lie after lie after lie…but our “Real American Values” crowd says nothing. Give it up, red states. You’ve had your time, and you failed.
By WesternMom
October 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
@ AJC/DNC Management:
Your remark about cell phones and the link to the NBC paper does not support your claim about cell phone use in polls. It reads:
NOTE: Ask ONLY CELL PHONE RESPONDENTS: “1b. Do you have a landline in addition to your cell phone, or is your cell phone the only telephone you have? +”
Get it, 100% of cell phone respondents only have a cell phone. No shock there. It does NOT say all respondents in the survey are on cell phones..
Try again.
By Linda
October 23, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this
Make calls everyone! you can go to Obama’s website…at mybarackobama….and you get to call 25 undecided voters for his neighbor to neighbor calling program. Join in and be a part of the campaign. I’m calling and calling and calling. It makes me feel better. Anyone can do it!
By Damn the Man
October 23, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
It’s funny how GOPigs like TAXCHEAT always whine about how unfair personal income taxes are to the wealthy elite as if those are the only taxes the federal government collects. Why not try a little honesty rather than half truths and show the percentage of ALL taxes the top 5% and 1% pay? It’s much lower than they pretend. Also show the percentage of all income that the aristocrats rake in? Could it be that the wealthy elite pay a MUCH SMALLER percentage of their incomes in taxes that real working Americans do? Could they pay a larger percentage of total income taxes because they make so much more money than everyone else? One percent of a billion dollars is a lot more than thirty percent of one hundred thousand dollars.
By Liberal
October 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
There’s a reason for this Democratic skepticism. It’s called 1948 - the year (Republican) Dewey choked in spite of being ahead in the polls all election. There’s also the Bradley Effect, and there’s also the fact that Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire because women didn’t want to see a fellow woman go to defeat that early in the race - in spite of actually being for Obama.
The Democrats need this skepticism. Otherwise they’d be as lazy as Dewey was.