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DEL.ICIO.US15 days out, Obama reverses slide; Palin a drag on McCain
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
As expected, Barack Obama has halted and even reversed John McCain’s rise in the wake of their performances in the third and final debate, according to at least two tracking polls.
In the latest Gallup three-day tracking numbers released Sunday, Obama’s lead is back up to 10 points. It had fallen to six points before the poll began to reflect reaction to the debate.
Obama has also doubled his lead in the latest Zogby tracking poll released this morning, with the Illinois senator reaching 49.8 percent. That’s Obama’s highest support level in the poll’s 14 days of surveying.
“This three-day rolling average of telephone polling now includes a sample taken entirely after the final presidential debate last Wednesday,” Zogby notes.
A new Washington Post/ABC News poll suggests that the McCain campaign may be preaching to its own choir, pleasing the already converted but not the independents they need to win Nov. 4.
“Overall, 52 percent of likely voters said they are less confident in McCain’s judgment because of his surprise selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin; 38 percent are more confident because of it. That is a stark reversal from the initial, positive public reaction to the pick,” the Post reports.
“Just after the GOP convention, 52 percent of independents, and 64 percent of independent women said the Palin pick made them more confident in how McCain would make presidential decisions - those numbers have now dipped to 39 and 37 percent, respectively.”
Voters who say they may still be persuadable are “among the least apt to see the new GOP focus on 1960s radical William Ayers and the community group ACORN as legitimate campaign issues.”
“Nearly seven in 10 movable voters said Obama’s past relationship with Ayers is not a legitimate issue; likewise, a narrow majority see the Obama campaign’s association with ACORN as not germane,” the poll found.
The party base will no doubt complain that Palin’s numbers have been driven down by a hostile media. On the other hand, the rest of America thinks the party base should open their damn eyes and ears and listen to what that woman actually says.
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By williebkind
October 20, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
OK Jay. Starting today make all the news media attack Obama and Michelle. Go after them like they are conservatives who want to aboilish the first ammendment. WE have two weeks before the election and that is plenty of time to spin Obama into Obivion. Just like you have done to Palin. I know! She does not talk like you! Colin Powell showed me he is black thats all! What do you expect from Affirmative action?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
Cherry picking the polls, eh?
Real Clear Politics, National Average, Obama +5%
That’s down from 7.3% just a few short days ago.
But whatever, the American people will soon get to speak for themselves, instead of having the elite, in the tank Oblahma media doing it for them.
By E
October 20, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
You can put lipstick on an albatross, but it’s still an albatross.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Danny the red
October 20, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Maybe with all that free time she’s going to have, Palin can become Bill Kristol’s sweetheart for real.
By ByteMe
October 20, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
Jay, your last paragraph is half-right. The party base has opened their eyes and ears to what she’s saying and they like it.
She says: No abortion even in cases of rape.
She says: drill drill drill, without discussing specifics of any alternative. What’s good for the oil business must be good for the country.
She says: I’m for reforming government as long as it doesn’t affect the gravy train for Alaska, which means she’s just giving lip service to it. Populism masking a different action, a trademark of Republicans these days.
She says: “liberal media is what’s wrong with this country” at least 20 times a day.
These are the messages of the Republican base.
But it’s not the messages the rest of the country wants to hear right now. The Republicans have a serious marketing problem and it’s affecting races at all levels in any area of the country where people are well-educated.
I wonder if this is why Republicans want to destroy public schools….?
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 20, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
The Chicago Tribune is Obama Media?
The Chicago Tribune?
Ridiculous.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
That was a “slide?”
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
I was reflecting on Palin’s appearence on SNL, and she was true to character. She thought the skit was over the top so didn’t fully participate, just like she announced at the beginning of her debate with the real Joe that she wasn’t going to answer the questions. And of course with Couric she wouldn’t say what periodicals she read, but a week later told Fox she read the NYT, WSJ and the Economist.
Latest polls.
By ByteMe
October 20, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
AJC/DNC: So he should cherry-pick old polling numbers like you just did? the RCP poll of polls includes only ONE number that includes polling from Saturday. The rest are older, including one with numbers from as far back as a week ago.
You can’t grasp reality if you don’t keep up with it as it changes.
You still keep dodging the question: will you put your money where your mouth is and buy some contracts for McCain out on intrade.com? Or are you all hat and no cattle? All mouth and no guts? The payoff this morning is 6:1 for a McCain contract which is a great bargain if you really think the polls are wrong and McCain is going to be the winner.
Off to breakfast.
By williebkind
October 20, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
E: You are right! And you can put ACORN. Rev Wright, and no executive experience on Obama and still get OBama. And you and Jay talk about listening to what Palin says! She makes far more sense than the “same old same old” you want to put into office. Obama is just a plain liberal politician who will never buck the liberal agenda. A dime a dozen.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
The media elites really hate that idea. Not just because so many of them prefer Obama. But because they like telling us what’s going to happen. They’re always annoyed when the people cross them up. Pundits spent all spring telling Hillary Clinton to give up in her contest against Obama — and the public kept on ignoring them and keeping her hopes alive.
Why do elites like to proclaim premature closure — not just in elections, but also in wars and in social struggles? Because it makes them the imperial arbiters, or at least the perspicacious announcers, of what history is going to bring. This puts the elite prognosticators ahead of the curve, ahead of the simple-minded people who might entertain the delusion that they still have a choice.-Kristol, Treason Times
It’s almost creepy the way these liberals want to forego the election and just crown their little king.
They do not see it as your choice.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
OBAMA’s OFF-THE-RECORD “BITTER” COMMENTS WERE EDITED! The real unedited comments are quoted verbatim below:
“You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or Real Clear Politics daily tracking polls or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
ZOMG! We’re fscrewn now!!!1!
By Paul
October 20, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Saturday morning’s Today Show (NBC) had another ‘focus’ group of people identified as undecideds a while back. They were there because after all the past week’s publicity not one had decided for whom to vote.
Same this morning with the NBC talking heads. I’m sure they have access to the same polls cited here. Don’t know if the undecideds really are as they’ve been in past elections or, one might guess, is NBC keeping the story going. But many of those interviewed said they thought they wouldn’t decide until they walked into the voting booth.
I wouldn’t be too optimistic in these poll spreads. Or dismayed by them, either.
By GMAN
October 20, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Boy there’s a lot of whining from the wingnuts this morning! Mr. Magoo and Elly Mae are going down in flames and the tears of the right can’t put out the fire. Now they want to throw the same General Colin Powell that they trumpeted as someone they would vote for as president under the burning bus. It really shows you who your friends are. I suggest that all the progressives on this blog get out their umbrellas and galoshes because there’s going to be a flood from all this crying!
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By Paul
October 20, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding
You do realize SNL writers write the material guests speak? And the skits and situations in which they participate? That long piece with Lorne Michaels and Baldwin wasn’t ‘fully participating?” Guests don’t have that much say (aside from not appearing) as to whether or not they’re a prop or a performer. You also are aware it was Tina Fey who said she would not do a side by side with Palin? One can’t really participate if the main impersonator won’t show.
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
A mini-pop quiz because of those first two crybaby posts today:
General Colin Powell is endorsing Senator Barack Obama because:
a) he is black
b) he is black
c) he is black
d) he is black
When a Republican loses a race it is because of:
a) the liberal media
b) the liberal media
c) the liberal media
d) the liberal media
Extra credit question:
Compare and contrast the differences between neo-conservatism and American conservatism in the following areas - social policy, the role of organized religion in the political process, economics, the environment, foreign policy including militarism and the size and scope of the federal government.
By Bosch
October 20, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Yeah, like I believe Palin reads the Economist or the New York Times. Maybe she’s read them a couple times SINCE her Couric interview.
By Joey
October 20, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
These rose colored glasses that Jay’s lookiing through.
Show only Obama, Jay can’t see the truth.
A poll by any other name is just a tool of the influence trade.
By williebekind
October 20, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
By GMAN October 20, 2008 8:42 “Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!”
Now Gman is a drive by media spawn! He and his kids must be on welfare to be so affected.
By E
October 20, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Our nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we’ve never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election.
McCain/Palin is the first.
For Republican loyalists, this is what’s known as a “feature, not a bug”.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Eric1
October 20, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
I’d suggest to the morons who are clamoring for a Palin government, pack your bags and head on up to the Ununited State of Alaska. The governor will be there to welcome you to your new home.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Paul
October 20, 2008 8:46 AM
Yes I was aware of the writers.
But you have to assume she was asked to do the skit and refused. You’d think with her beauty contest experience it would be right down her alley for talent. But I can certainly understand her reluctance. It was something that needed to be rehearsed a few times and she probably didn’t have the time. She participated in the opening but didn’t seem too happy to be there. Which makes me wonder why she agreed to and why she agreed to debate and be interviewed but then not fully cooperate.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Barack Obama’s advantage over John McCain in the presidential race has again widened to 10 percentage points among registered voters, 52% to 42%, in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Oct. 16-18.-Gallup Website
Registered voters, bwahahaha, yeah, Mickey and Minnie Mouse anyone?
ACORN rules!
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Just remember when the spreading of your wealth starts, I don’t want to hear any whining!
By Paul
October 20, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
AmVet
Gen Colin Powell’s son, Michael, past FCC commissioner, is a McCain advisor. He disagreed with his father on endorsing Obama because Michael
1) is black
2 is black
No one really even knows that Gen Powell has a son, let alone what he’s doing. This is because of:
1) the liberal media
2) the liberal media
Seriously, though, listening to the reasons Gen Powell gave in his endorsement, even, his record, gives one much to consider.
Gen Powell’s endorsement is interesting as he’s such an enigmatic figure to many. Still, not that such endorsements count for all that much.
Enough fun. Time for some work.
Later -
By williebkind
October 20, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
We have never had a President elect to have been closely associated with home terrorist either. Go to a church and have the Pastor curse American while the congregation applauded and Obama did not object to it. And he has a wife who never has been proud to be an American until she gets to be NR 1. About ethics violations! Thats because the media does not probe liberals unless they go against the agenda.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Gallup is also looking at the race according to two likely voter scenarios. One, the traditional Gallup approach, takes into account voters’ intention to participate in the current election as well as their voting history in previous presidential elections. Among this group, Obama leads McCain by three points, 49% to 46%. This is similar to Obama’s standing among traditional likely voters over the past five days.
That’s a three point lead for those of you who can’t count.
An alternate approach to defining likely voters uses only voters’ self-professed likelihood to vote in 2008, and does not factor in whether they voted in past elections. This model assumes that new registrants and infrequent voters will be more heavily represented in the pool of voters who turn out on Election Day than has been the case historically. Among this more broadly defined likely voter group, Obama leads by seven points, 51% to 44%. — Lydia Saad, Gallup
All weighted on fake ACORN registrations.
And such angwy wittle wiberals we are about all this:
On the other hand, the rest of America thinks the party base should open their damn eyes and ears and listen to what that woman actually says.
These people are madder than hell that you have a choice and are doing everything they can to take it away from you.
Why?
Because their guy is a loser:
On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Sen. Barack Obama has a nine-point lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the state, according to a CNN-WMUR poll out Monday.-CNN
Yep, that’s right, the next day Clinton beat this loser.
bwa.
By booger
October 20, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
It’s pretty funny to see AC/DC touting the fact that RCP’s poll average is “only” 5 points for Obama. That’s the GOOD news for McCain.
Oh, except that it’s now 5.5….
By Paul
October 20, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding
Hey, I said I had work to do, but I’ll delay a bit.
Not sure which skit you mean. My understanding is Palin (through the campaign operatives) lobbied to get on. I think McCain even had a line on Letterman (which I also understand was Letterman’s biggest night ever).
I rather think she took a safe route - appear, poke a little fun at herself, poke fun at the “liberals” (represented by Baldwin) but don’t do anything risky (like that hip hop routine - participate in the routine but don’t perform the hip hop). Bill Clinton (not Pres at the time) might have gotten away with wearing shades and playing the sax, but he’s the exception, not the rule.
If people watched and thought “well, maybe she isn’t a lunatic ogre” then she probably did what she set out to do.
Hey, good news! If this is a portent of a McCain-Palin administration (appear, don’t fully participate, go low-risk) we can all breathe easier!
Later -
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 8:57 AM
No, no, you’re off the latest talking point.
ACORN and Joe the Plumber have been replaced with discredit Colin Powell.
By zeke
October 20, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Sorry, Jay! Anyone with a hint of intelligence will not vote for this socialist-populist offshoot of Ayers and the american communist party! He is an empty suit! His only agenda is to move the US to a socialist anarchist image of the FAILED SOVIET UNION, FAILED CUBE and SOON TO BE FAILED VENEZUELA AND BOLIVIA! We are a country that believes in individual freedom, private property ownership, personal responsibility! It is not the role of government to redistribute the wealth of the successfull! That has been witnessed by the fall of Soviet Russia! You think you socialist can do it better here? IDIOTS!!
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
GMAN from the dead thread, @ 8:42 AM, I strenuously object to your crude use of character assassination. I was never a Beverly Hillbillies aficianado but I do recall, from occasional episodes seen either in whole or in part, that Elly Mae was a generous, decent, honest young woman.
While Elly Mae certainly posessed a strong sense of family loyalty, there is nothing to indicate that she would ever permit those feelings to manifest themselve in activities that could be said to border on organized crime. Nor would I imagine that Elly Mae, for all the condescending experiences she encountered among the wine-sipping L.A. cogniscenti, would ever stoop to regarding her fellow citizens as somehow not belonging to “real America.”
I ask that you cease and desist this relentless attack on an American heroine who brought joy to so many of my fellow Americans.
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Headline:
“FBI already vetting members of next administration to make sure staffs will be ready for national security threats.”
I wonder if the FBI will have as much trouble trying to clear Obama’s staff as they did Clinton’s ……….. all of the drug use, arrests, subversive activities and contacts made it real difficult.
Same is true of Obama. He can be president but he couldn’t get a top secret clearance (due to his admitted cocaine usage and association with Ayers) to be his own bodyguard.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
By booger October 20, 2008 9:05 AM It’s pretty funny to see AC/DC touting the fact that RCP’s poll average is “only” 5 points for Obama. That’s the GOOD news for McCain. Oh, except that it’s now 5.5….
The RCP average is based on ALL polls, every single one, averaged together.
So no matter how hard you liberals try to huff and puff and blow this election down with your fake, cherry picked, ACORN registration weighted polls, your numbers will always get dragged down closer to reality.
So when I see 5.5, I know it is really 2.5 to 3 with a whole bunch of undecided independents out there.
This ain’t over by no means.
By Gordon the Plumber
October 20, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
Waah! It’s the “Liberal Media”!
I am so tired of hearing this refrain from right wing bobble heads. Where do you parrots get the talking points you bray at everyone?: From the media of course! You know: Chris Matthews, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc etc - people on TV, radio, the Internet - what is commonly referred to as the media.
It’s just mind blowing how overtly hypocritical these slack jawed hate addled morons are.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
“The Corporal”
October 20, 2008 8:59 AM
We can’t keep running the government on credit.
Eventually its credit rating will drop and then we’ll really be in a world of hurt. And do we really wnat to be in debt to China? Or any other country?
By gadem
October 20, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
I see Andy and his ilk in the rear view mirror as the world leaves them in the past….so long suckers!
By Pat
October 20, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
I told my husband yesterday after Colin Powell’s appearance on Meet the Press, “Watch the GOP turn on Colin Powell, smear his character, and try desperately to make this all about race - even though he’s backed many white candidates over black ones through the years.” The Powell endorsement offered the GOP one last chance to come to its collective senses, and LISTEN - really listen - to what has happened to its conscience and soul - to turn a mirror of self-reflection to its increasingly ugly, viscious face and change its ways. The reaction to Powell’s remarks shows it’s chosen to continue on its current path of self-destruction. Bush may have been dumb, but he was smart enough to understand the GOP was doomed without opening its arms to minorities - the demographics of America are changing fast. In a suicide move, the GOP has cemented its status as the party of white fear and resentment. Good luck with that strategy in the next 50 years - you’ll need it.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 20, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
CORPORAL
Wow those charges of yours against Obama and his staff really ate DY-NO-Mite!!
Being the brave fair patriot you are I just know your next move is to quit blogging about it and report it!
The contact sheet for HOT TIPS like yours is right here….
FBI Tips and Public Leads
Put your reputation where your mouth is
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
The Fox News account arrest of the California Gooper for voter fraud caught my eye, but you really have to read the comments for larf-out-loud comedy gold.
My favorite: “I wouldn’t vote for a guy like Obama if he was my own father! This is the perfect storm for a leftist radical takeover and if it happens, you can kiss your American freedom and Godly standards good bye!”
By Billy
October 20, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Gee, Paul, I tend to think the endorsement of Powell will move as many votes as all the newspaper endorsements combined. And the reason no one pays any attention to what Michael Powell says or does is not because of the “Liberal Media”. It’s because Colin Powell became a household name 15 years ago and has been exalted by Republicans ever since. He was Exhibit A when Republicans would try to deny the racism in their party’s ranks and platform.
Colin Powell is well known and widely respected as an intelligent, patriotic man. To claim he is endorsing Obama just because they both are black is to ignore (or claim as false) everything the GOP has said about him and his character for the past 15 or 20 years.
By RealityKing
October 20, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
A man with no executive experience is better to feel an executive role than women with executive experience.
I’m sure glad that Jay and the progressive corrupt media have cleared that up for American. Now lets all be sure to follow their lead in future hiring practices…
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
“The Corporal”
Maybe we should require candidates be screened before they can go on the ballot.
But the FBI background checks dig up a lot of false information that would take a lot of time to thoroughly investigate.
By Terry J
October 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Why do the conservatives call educated people “elite”? Would you rather the country be led by educated, articulate people or fossils with a retarded Barbie doll as a running mate?
Ex-Republican
By Citizen of the World
October 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
I like what Colin Powell said regarding Palin — mainly that the vice president’s job was to be ready to become President, and Palin is not ready.
Never has the vice president’s readiness been more of an issue than now, when we have the oldest-ever presidential candidate who has already been diagnosed with melanoma, a deadly form of skin cancer.
For those who like to tout Palin’s executive experience, I would ask you to consider not what offices she has held, but how she executed her duties in those offices. As mayor of Wasilla, left her small city more than $20 million in debt. She intimidated the librarian about certain books on the shelves to the point where the librarian resigned.
(Even if, as some say, her questions to the librarian were a “loyalty test,” doesn’t that seem rather imperious and autocratic? Would you like to be questioned like that by your boss?)
As governor, she had a habit of not showing up for important meetings. She instructed her staff to use their personal e-mail accounts to conduct state business so their communiques wouldn’t be subject to subpoena or scrutiny. Then there’s the “Troopergate” affair, for which she was found to have violated state ethics.
The only thing that makes government work is accountability. We must hold our elected officials to the highest standard of ethical conduct, and when they behave unethically, we have to send them packing — certainly not reward them with reelection or election to an even higher office.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden have conducted themselves with integrity in their personal and public lives. Neither of them have been charged or found guilty of ethics violations. That matters to me. It should matter to all voters.
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
To TN Gelding
I hear you but unfortunately it is a choice between the lesser of two evils.
I’ll take economic problems (which usually resolve themselves over time regardless of party anyway) over Obama’s Supreme Court nominations and the fact that we really don’t know who he is except that he is a socialist/marxist.
Get ready to spread your wealth !
By GMAN
October 20, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger, you are absolutely correct. Elly Mae, please accept my humble apology for besmerching your good name and character by identifying Ms Palin with you. Also, Cro-Magnon Man please forgive me for thinking that williebekind was like you. He is a little lower on the evolutionary scale.
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By Taxpayer
October 20, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger,
Continuing the thread from below, here are three web pages to check out for starters:
{onlineathens.com/stories/051908/uganews_20080519040.shtml}
{www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/2809/}
{www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/10/20/onionlikesmell.html}
I also checked out your blog but I have not really considered starting one myself yet. I do however contact elected ones from time to time when I have an issue that I want to go on record about. I don’t do it with expectations of them actually doing anything based on my little ole contact though. I know better than that. What does get their attention is lots of noise that gets the eye of their influential backers or voters especially near election time. Politicians get very concerned when bad news gets the voter’s attention especially near election time. So, I have been trying to help spread a different sort of wealth around and keep things fresh in people’s minds especially around election time. I figure it’s the least I can do and as time goes on, I hope to find ways of doing it more as well as more effectively.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Citizen @ 9.47, add to your list of concerns about her executive experience Sarah Palin’s troubling unwillingness to face questions about billing sexual-assault victims for the cost of rape kits and forensic exams.
(the editorialist cited above charitably says: “My hunch is that it was the result of outmoded attitudes and boneheaded budget cutting. Still, Ms. Palin has been governor for under two years, and she’s running for vice president largely on her experience as mayor of tiny Wasilla — a far superior credential, she’s told us, to being a community organizer. On the rape kits, as on other issues, she owes voters a direct answer.”)
And no, righties, the rape kit story has NOT been “debunked.”
By Midori
October 20, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
It’s almost creepy the way these liberals want to forego the election and just crown their little king.
They do not see it as your choice.
that’s what you morons did with that idiot Bush.
We liberals are a little more discriminating, and a lot more demanding when it comes to qualifications for the presidency.
By t prescott
October 20, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
a vote for obama will drag america’s performance down to a mundane, mentally challenged, mediocracy. it is his dream to rule over an oppressed people.
By Swa mi Dave
October 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
For the record, General Powell served his country with distinction as both a military and civilian leader. There are decisions that he made in both roles with which I may not agree, but I, for one, appreciate his service.
Then, as now, I think that he showed poor judgement in making what it, in my opinion, a poor decision to endorse Senator Obama.
I do not agree with his decision nor can I really understand the reasons that led him to make it, but one of the rights that he spent his career defending grants him the freedom to make what I might consider the wrong decision.
-Swami Dave
By Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding,
I read and contemplated everything you posted last night over roughly three hours. Here’s a partial list of your comments:
“We need to get some of the folks that have been eliminated from the tax rolls back on, myself included.”
“I don’t know what Congress is thinking. Other than getting reelected. If we can’t pay for the government we have then they’ve got to reduce it.”
“We definitely need tax reform. But Congress isn’t going to give up its power to pick winners and losers easily.”
And, in the spirit of fair and impartial reporting:
“For people that claim to be strict constitutionalist (Republicans) they sure do violate it a lot and would like to amend it beyond recognition as well.”
I asked a pointed question to Goldie and Midori yesterday re: a mandate to balance the federal budget and, after much prodding, got the expected “say what?” and typical scorn and ridicule. Given that I admittedly set the bar ridiculously low in seeking out their opinions, I think it’s fair to pose the same question to you because I generally agree with your above comments.
Please enlighten me: Constitutional amendment to balance the federal budget beginning in 2009 - Yes or No?
I ask this question because I’m convinced that Congress simply cannot “live within its means” although you and I and every other citizen is expected to do so daily. This issue does not involve Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin, Bush, Cheney et al., it directly addresses the “spend” side (not to be confused with the “spin side”) of the “tax and spend” equation. Some of us anxiously await your reasoned thoughts on this issue.
By Midori
October 20, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
You can’t grasp reality if you don’t keep up with it as it changes.
POST OF THE YEAR
describes Andy and the GOP PERFECTLY
By Bosch
October 20, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
t prescott,
I think you’ve been asleep for the past eight years. That’s what we are trying to get rid of with GOP control.
Wake up dude! Drink some more coffee, but leave the Kool-Aid out.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
GMAN
October 20, 2008 9:59 AM
I understand McCain is quite a gambler.
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
I hear you but unfortunately it is a choice between the lesser of two evils.
Corporal, I disagree. They are in fact the evil of the two lessers.
The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.
McCain, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Paulson and BushCo ALL supported the bailout.
Capitalism will always survive in the United States as long as the government is willing to use socialism to bail it out.
So pick your “socialist” - McCain or Obama. They are the flip sides of the same corporate owned coin…
By Skeptic Tank
October 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
What Obama’s critics fail to mention (or realize) is that it will be impossible for him to implement far-reaching liberal policies amidst this uniquely decimated economy.
It’s time to stop the bitter partisan bickering that has beleaguered our nation, and start working together to find our way out of this deep hole.
Hillary’s supporters took weeks, if not months, to get over her loss to Obama in the primaries. CONSERVATIVES: quit whining, quit trying to scare the daylights out of the people, and join forces with the Obama Nation to reinstate the greatness of America. Remember - as fervently as you believe in your principles, so do the followers of the Democratic Party…and this time, you’re simply outnumbered.
By E
October 20, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
West Virginia voters say machines are switching votes -
(http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251?build=yes)
WINFIELD, W.Va. — Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.
This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem. Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for “Barack Obama” kept flipping to “John McCain”.
In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections.
Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.
Uh-huh.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 20, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
Socialist?
Really?
That makes supporters of Socialism….
Warren Buffet
Colin Powell
The Chicago Tribune
Michael Smerconish
Fareed Zakaria
Christopher Hitchens
65 Nobel Laureates
Jim and Sarah Brady
Lilibet Hagel
Christopher Buckley
Ed Koch
William Donaldson
Arthur Levitt
David Ruder
Lowell P. Weicker
Doug Kmiec
General Merrill “Tony” McPeak
Brigadier General David “Dave” McGinnis
Lincoln Chafee
Julie Nixon Eisenhower
Susan Eisenhower
Paul Volcker
More complete list here - it’s amazing!
Corporal
The Socialist meme is only working with the ignorant and the frightened.
Is it really working on you?
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
gman 9.59, that’s a step in the right direction.
taxpayer 10.02, thanks for the links. I think the third one didn’t quite make the line-wrap (usually best to embed them within text) but I’ll figure it out. I’ll have a look when I have the luxury of time, which eludes me now.
Later, gators. Putting-food-on-family awaits my full attention.
By Bosch
October 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Yeap, Palin is showing her neo-con side more and more:
Palin and McCain disagree on federal gay marriage ban
It’s the third story down - this part is especially troubling for me:
“I’m not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can’t do, should and should not do,” she said. “But I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that’s casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it’s the foundation of our society is that strong family and that’s based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.”
Of course she’s not going to judge you, but she’s going to use her power to enforce her religious beliefs into public policy.
Yes, Sarah, you DO plan on telling us what we can and can’t do. Sometimes I don’t think she even knows what comes out of her mouth.
By tcoach
October 20, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Hillbilly should she give any answer and then as the media or anyone else questions it change his statement to be more acceptable. You know the guy from the neighborhood, did not hear those comments. Only to later change each of those statements. Not asking for perfection but maybe, just maybe fairness. Judge both parties the same, so be willing to criticise Obama and Biden. Also be willing to go after McCain and Palin. However to accuse one of something and not accuse or point out that the other party has done the same thing is irresponsible and shows that you are a sheep for the party and incapable of forming your own ideas and judgements. If it bothers you when one candidate does something it should equally offend you if the other one does it. I think you should scream from the rooftops in support of your candidate, but do not show false outrage if it is something your own candidate is guilty of. View and criticise equally, unless you are affraid of what you might learn if you looked for faults in Obama the same way you seek and search for faults with McCain. I know you are going to attack me instead of the issue as has became the code for political discussion but try to address teh issue of why you never see fault in Obama.
Have a nice day.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:10 AM
**tHANKS, i THINK
By RealityKing
October 20, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Colin Powell referenced Obama’s “ability to inspire” and “inclusive nature of his campaign” as the reasons he thought Obama “met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president”(eyes rolling). That’s one lame endorsement from a so-called intellect, don’t you think!?
Seems more like an obvious last ditch effort to reunite with a community that has ostracized him, a community that has repeatedly called him a traitor, an Uncle Tom for supporting the Bush doctrine. But hey, who cares right. Congratulations Obama, being endorsed by a man that you spent the last 4 years calling a blatant liar for his UN presentation is quite a coo, at least for a liberal…
By Citizen of the World
October 20, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Obama is NOT a socialist any more than John McCain is a socialist. They both understand that government must play a role in promoting what we value — like education, health, science and technology, safety and security — and protecting us from the crimes and excesses of power and authority, whether in the form of business, government or other nations.
To do so takes money. Money that we provide as citizens in the form of taxes. Every industrialized country in the world operates this way because it has to. Every industrialized country in the world asks wealthier citizens to pay a higher portion of the tax burden. Nothing new here! Both Obama and McCain believe this is the way it has to be. The only difference is in degree.
Obama wants to put a bigger responsibility on the wealthy and offer tax relief to the lower and middle classes. McCain wants to continue W’s tax relief for the rich, with less relief for the middle class.
Considering that the rich can pay more with little to no impact on the quality or their lives, while tax relief for the middle class will go a long way toward improving their quality of life, Obama’s tax proposals just make more sense.
Obama is not a socialist, or if he is, then McCain is, too.
By Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding,
Come on now! This is the “Stud” vs. “Eunuch” moment that you have longed for.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:10 AM
I stated to reply to the question yesterday but refrained.
I have no objection to the amendment. Of course there would have to be an exception for war or a national emergency, which might be abused by some. It’s a shame that it is needed tho. You’d think that would be a high prioity under any administration or for any Congress.
Certainly I was referring to Republicans, but let the record show that you added them in parentheses. Thanks, I think, for reposting my thoughts.
By tcoach
October 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Skeptic tank did you send out a bullitin for democrates and liberals to support Bush for the greater good of our nation. Because there are people out there who think Obama is more dangerous than Bush, and feel as strongly against him as any did against Bush. Also are you preparred to, in the unlikely event since it has been decided by all, demand all the liberals and democrates to jump on board teh McCain wagon and offer support?
By 2BFREE
October 20, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
She instructed her staff to use their personal e-mail accounts to conduct state business so their communiques wouldn’t be subject to subpoena or scrutiny.
This is an example of how the bias Liberal media takes a little issue and make a big deal out of it and the public buys it hook line and sinker and exaggerates the facts even further. Yes she used a personal account when away from the office (which is a lot in a State the size of Alaska and the captiol is not accessible except by air or boat). But here is Georgia (before all this came to light and Blackberry became so popular), most every government person (staff and elected) will use a personal email account when away from the office because the state email system was/is difficult to access remotely (security walls, etc.). Just like Alaska I’m sure no one even thought of a problem with open records. In fact I know of at least 25 local governments right now that either the Mayor, Tax Commissioner, or other elected official does not even have a public email address and the email used is “anytownmayor_ga@yahoo.com” or “countycommissioner@earthlink.com” or something like that.
I’m not saying that Palin would be the best choice for VP, but the media has been on full attack on her since the announcement. I think she has done a superb job governing Alaska and her voters do as well. I’ve about had all of the sensationalism the media has dished out I can stand. Out right lying for your cause is bad enough. Using the media as a resource for these lies is just evil.
By mike hussein smith
October 20, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
I do not agree with his decision nor can I really understand the reasons that led him to make it, but one of the rights that he spent his career defending grants him the freedom to make what I might consider the wrong decision. That’s mighty damn white of ya, swami dave, but if you’re too stupid to understand Powell’s reasoning, then you’re too stupid to have an opinion that matters.
By E
October 20, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
We have had 8 years of lies and half-truths. We’ve seen the media locked away from the President. We’ve had a President that, when he does surface, sidesteps questions, and ridicules the press. We’ve seen scandal after scandal. We’ve seen a war drag on that shouldn’t have been started. We’ve seen countless human rights issues in regard to torture and unlawful imprisonment. We’ve seen domestic wiretapping. Now our banks are being taken over by the government.
And this is just fine with many people. They think it’s absolutely acceptable to have an erratic President-elect, and a Vice-President elect that is totally clueless.
The right wing just loves to swallow the putrid fallout of the last eight years and keep coming back for more.
I hope every state turns blue…. to send a message to the world that we aren’t going to take this nonsense for another 4 years.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By tcoach
October 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Citizen McCain has not once said he plans on redistributing wealth. He may be for big coorporate bailouts, but there are worlds of difference in their plans for taxing and then giving out welfare. Say what you will but if you do not have an income tax liabily and the government gives you a check, stimulus or otherwise it is welfare, it is a redistribution of money from those that earn it to those who expect it. So your claim certainly holds water, but there is a hole in it so it still leaks.
By Skeptic Tank
October 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
tcoach
Absolutely. I would have no problem telling all Democrats and Obama-ites that, in the event that John McCain wins the election, they should unswervingly offer their support in the coming months, to ensure a smooth transition and a steady course for the United States of America.
The partisan bickering has divided our nation to the point that a civil war looms in our future. We may all have differences in our opinions and our principles, but we live in America, and compromise is essential in governance of our nation.
John McCain is not my first choice as President, nor was he the first choice of most Republicans. But if he is chosen to lead, we need to support him in these fragile times, and leave party preferences behind until some of the deep damage has been repaired.
By NinaK
October 20, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Anyone notice the McCain supporters don’t ever articulte as to WHY THEY think John McCain would be a good president?? All they do is slander, bash, distort, falsly accuse, and call Senator Obama and his supporters ugly names? It is clear they have nothing positive to say about John McCain’s anything. Face it, repubs, your candidate is an old, washed-out politician with no real ideas for this generation and future generations. You are great supporters, though, and I congratulate you on your following in John McCain and Sarah Palin’s dispicable trash and burn political and personal tactics. Guess you repubs, for being such devout Christians, do not believe in God’s commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbors” and everyone else. Great Christian role models, don’t you agree??
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:35 AM
Partial reply was due to malfunction.
By NinaK
October 20, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Anyone notice the McCain supporters don’t ever articulte as to WHY THEY think John McCain would be a good president?? All they do is slander, bash, distort, falsly accuse, and call Senator Obama and his supporters ugly names? It is clear they have nothing positive to say about John McCain’s anything. Face it, repubs, your candidate is an old, washed-out politician with no real ideas for this generation and future generations. You are great supporters, though, and I congratulate you on your following in John McCain and Sarah Palin’s dispicable trash and burn political and personal tactics. Guess you repubs, for being such devout Christians, do not believe in God’s commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbors” and everyone else. Great Christian role models, don’t you agree?? Can we say hypocrites and begotted??
By Suffering Fools Madly
October 20, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Colin Powell endorses Obama. Is this the same Colin Powel that the left accused of being an “Uncle Tom” when he was in Bush’s cabinet? Explain to me how this helps Obama. Oh yeah, that’s right, now it is convenient for the Dems to have him around and they have promised him a job.
I think the Left called it correctly the first time: Powell is an “Uncle Tom” only it isn’t the Republican party he is shuffling for. Neither he nor his new masters have one once of integrity.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
By booger October 20, 2008 9:05 AM It’s pretty funny to see AC/DC touting the fact that RCP’s poll average is “only” 5 points for Obama. That’s the GOOD news for McCain. Oh, except that it’s now 5.5….
Hey booger, we got an update:
RCP Average 10/13 - 10/19—Obama +4.8
bwa
By GMAN
October 20, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
2BFREE, me thinks you know not what you speak. It is not difficult for those in government with the proper security and email software and proper access rights to access their government email accounts remotely. There is absolutely no excuse for using non-government email accounts in conducting government business. This violates the most basic of security policies. Sarah was wrong!
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By bush go away
October 20, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
I guess Sean Hannity and Rush Percocet will now be calling Colin Powell a socialist with who’s weak on defense issues. Westmoreland will be calling him an “uppity #$#!.”
By RealityKing
October 20, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
“Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.”
Hmmmmmmm…, now why would Obama hire a foriegn policy adviser that he has spent the last 4 years condemning, even calling a blantant liar! An adviser that has done everything oppisite of what his so-called foriegn experienced VP choice has done over the same time?? Does open honesty mean anything to liberals!!??
By Citizen of the World
October 20, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
2BFREE @10:44 — I count on the media to go into the dark corners and come out with whatever they find. Am I supposed to go up to Alaska myself and inquire around?
I got that information about the e-mails from more than one reliable source. There are other things I’ve heard that I would not repeat, considering the source and/or considering that I did not read it in more than one source.
If you want to continue 2BFREE, you need to stop condemning the media as “liberal” every you hear something you don’t like and be glad that they are out there finding and reporting the facts. And quit seeing everything through that “liberal media” filter.
Have you ever stopped to wonder why the right spends so much breath pointing fingers at the “liberal media”? To what benefit? When you tuned in to the Democratic National Convention (you did watch didn’t you, to get both sides?), did practically everyone who got up to speak comment on the right-wing media? No. But practically everyone on the right bemoaned the liberal media as the source of all our problems.
The strategy of the right is to make you highly suspect of any news and information that doesn’t come from an avowedly conservative source so that you will either 1) avoid those sources or 2) dismiss anything you hear there as having a “liberal bias,” thereby avoiding the cognitive dissonance that might result when you hear something that conflicts with your long-held worldview, but that makes sense and rings true.
They have been very good at this with their high repetition of their oversimplified message that “conservative media=fair and balanced,” but “mainstream media=elite and liberal.”
You need to lose that filter and start appreciating the media for doing a very important job.
By tcoach
October 20, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
That is great skeptic how did it go though as far as telling people to get behind bush and support him. I disagreed with Bush on many things but there is a way to disagree and still be respectful. Respect is something any American should have and give to the president regardless of their actions. We must all understand that a president is not a dictator who controls the country. The president is much like a quarterback in football, he recieves too much of the credit when the team is winning and doing well, then recieves too much blame for loses or bad play. I do congradulate you on the fact that your desire for a unified citizenship is not on a partisan account as many others are. I appologize for questioning your motives, it was prejudgmental of me.
By Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding,
I agree with your comment re: a war or national emergency exception. Can we agree that the status quo in the Legislative branch is much more abused than the American public should allow? Can we also agree that waiting for Congress (like it or not, currently run by Pelosi and Reid) to police themselves and stop their wasteful spending and political patronage is not going to happen? Can we acknowledge that most Americans (since we purportedly are a centrist/right majority) don’t mind being taxed moderately as long as Congress and the Executive branch give even a semblance to being good stewards with our money?
P.S. In your spare time, would you mind explaining this post to Goldie and Midori?
By lrd
October 20, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
y’all read Peggy Noonan this week. I guess she is just another one of the Liberal Media elite.
Heck, way things are, and after he met the press, Joe The Plumber could be a good selection for McCain now as VP
By BDAtlanta
October 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
I’m wondering what Johnny Mac will resort to next to whip up what Christopher Hitchens calls the “whack-job fringe of the party’s right wing”
Maybe have Sister Sarah perform with a pole on a stage with disco lights?
By NinaK
October 20, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
By Skeptic Tank
October 20, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
tcoach
Absolutely. I would have no problem telling all Democrats and Obama-ites that, in the event that John McCain wins the election, they should unswervingly offer their support in the coming months, to ensure a smooth transition and a steady course for the United States of America.
The partisan bickering has divided our nation to the point that a civil war looms in our future. We may all have differences in our opinions and our principles, but we live in America, and compromise is essential in governance of our nation.
John McCain is not my first choice as President, nor was he the first choice of most Republicans. But if he is chosen to lead, we need to support him in these fragile times, and leave party preferences behind until some of the deep damage has been repaired.We can thank John McCain, Palin, their campaign, the RNC, and their supporters for tearing the country apart with their dispicable burnt-earth tactics. We can also thank GWB, McCain, who voted 90% in lock step for and with GWB’s policies during the past eight years, for the mess they have made of America.
1) An unnecessary war which has, and is, depleting our human, financial, and military resources at the tune of $10 billion per month
2) Lack of oversight of banks and oil companies
3) Refusal to legislate regulation for these companies who continue to bilk the middleclass so their CEOs get paid millions upon millions.
4) The repubs partnered with and catered to lobbyists
5) The repubs forgot about the middleclass and the poor
6) GWB vetoing everything the dems tried to pass.
7) The repubs send our troops to fight an unnecessary war and deny them the proper treatment and living quarters when they return badly injured and with severe mental and emotional strees syndrone.
8) McCain has either not shown up to vote, or voted against, any GI bills that would benefit our troops…as he stated, “we are being too generous to the troops and veterans”.
9) We need a new beginning and McCain is not the candidate to do that, he is still stuck in the 1960/1970s. FACT: He addressed his audience as, “MY FELLOW PRISONERS” and never corrected himself. His politics are decades old and they have not worked; what makes you think he can bring the changes we need?? McCain is not country first, he is all about John McCain, no more, no less, period. He has sold his soul to the devil in his efforts to fulfill his life-time ambitions to be president.
By dw
October 20, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
What has Obama actually done in Congress to make you think he will actually cut taxes and magically still increase spending on some programs? How has he helped boast the economy while he has been in Congress? Again, what has he actually done? How has he actually cut spending? How has he demonstrated his political integrity to be above other politicians. He hasn’t! He has played to his buddies and brought “pork” to them. Same thing, just different individuals. In my opinion, the middle class is still going to pay the check. Just that even more middle class taxed moneys may be “re”distributed. Because you know if you have a h.s. diploma and work at an unskilled job you obviously deserve (by divine Obamanomics rights) the same everything as a highly education/highly skilled person. I do think everyone should make a livable wage and have benefits, such as health insurance, but not necessarily all the same. In my opinion, Obama talks a good game (he is so eloquent and he has the all important “presidential” look and strolling ability; like that should really matter) but hasn’t done jack regarding the economy during his time in Congress, and he says what you want to hear, but he will change his ideas on taxation/economy once in office … but he walks really well.
By booger
October 20, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Hey King, care to document this “reality” claim?
“Hmmmmmmm…, now why would Obama hire a foriegn policy adviser that he has spent the last 4 years condemning, even calling a blantant liar!”
Obama never condemned powell, never said anything close, so I guess we know who the “blantant liar” is.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Pushed to meet daily quotas and bullied by bosses if they didn’t, Ohio ACORN workers faked voter registrations, signed up people more than once, and even paid off registrants to keep from being fired, its canvassers told The Post.
“Every day, there was pressure on us. Every single day,” said Teshika Elder, a Cleveland single mom of three who worked for ACORN this summer.
“We had meetings every morning where they’d go over your quota; they’d yell at you if you were low,” said Elder, 21. “They’d sit us down and say if you didn’t do better, they’d suspend you. They’d say, ‘Try harder next time,’ [and] if you didn’t get it, you’d be fired.”
Attack the plumber and spin.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 20, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
Morning Joe amd Mika B welcome her Dad….
By CommunistAJC
October 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Jay Bookman, There you go with the poll numbers again. Who cares? If you’d read Ann Coulters piece on polls conducted over the past 30 something years then you’d know that if polls were always accurate we’d have had Mondale, Carter, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry as presidents for two terms each. You can talk polls all day long but it still doesn’t hide the fact that you are a hack opinion writer. Seriously, my dog could write more meaningful opinions than you can.
By tcoach
October 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Nina K your arguments are so partisan and full of errors or half truths a response to your propaganda is not required. It does not work if you stae opinion as fact and clearly your post was heavy on the opinion with only the facts you like left in. Let adults talk like big people and when we have play time we will let you know.
By GMAN
October 20, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
*“Every day, there was pressure on us. Every single day,” said Teshika Elder, a Cleveland single mom of three who worked for ACORN this summer.
“We had meetings every morning where they’d go over your quota; they’d yell at you if you were low,” said Elder, 21. “They’d sit us down and say if you didn’t do better, they’d suspend you. They’d say, ‘Try harder next time,’ [and] if you didn’t get it, you’d be fired.”*
Sounds like your typical sales job to me. What’s the big deal?
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By GMAN
October 20, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
CommunistAJC 11:26 AM
Jay Bookman, There you go with the poll numbers again. Who cares? If you’d read Ann Coulters piece on polls conducted over the past 30 something years then you’d know that if polls were always accurate we’d have had Mondale, Carter, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry as presidents for two terms each. You can talk polls all day long but it still doesn’t hide the fact that you are a hack opinion writer. Seriously, my dog could write more meaningful opinions than you can.
I’m assuming you think your dog (Ann Coulter) just did! LOL
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures… and losing!
By getalife
October 20, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Wow, commie has a dog that could write opinions.
Watching too much family guy kook?
Geez.
By jeffrey
October 20, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
The Media on Hypocrisy of Senator John McCain
Community boards for programs such as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge normally comprise of volunteers with a variety of professional background and political affiliation. The first and foremost goal of any volunteer to serve or serving on such boards is to make as maximum contribution as possible to achieve the desired mission. The notion that a volunteer is to disassociate oneself from a charitable organization due to a tarnished resume of one of the co-volunteers is unheard of. It is not and should not be a measure to restrict anyone to provide voluntary service contribution in any organization. It is shameful that Senator McCain has decided to drag himself into such despicable character assassination of Senator Obama by sending “robo” call and fliers to voters with such a message, for political advantage. To my great surprise, Gov. Sarah Palin is against the idea. On October 20, 2008 during a candid interview with reporters traveling with her she said, “If I had my way, the McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee would not be flooding battleground states with automated phone calls tying Barack Obama to former radical William Ayers, as they have done over the last week”.
If the standard of which Senator McCain wishes his opponent to be judged is valid, it should apply to him as well. Based on his line of thinking, it can be said that his continued relationship with a convicted domestic terrorist Gordon Liddy reflects his judgment and character. How comfortable would a voter feel in voting for a presidential candidate who has a friendly relationship with a felon who committed the most catastrophic political wrong doing in the history of this nation and which led to impeachment/ resignation of a former president? How can one be a head of a government of which his friend (Liddy) would rather see some of its agents killed? One can understand the need of McCain to appease the Gordon’s talk-show audience but as leader, McCain should be embarrassed for such a relationship. This subject deserves a detailed review by the media. To an independent voter driven by judgment rather than passion, a continued association with an unrepentant Watergate kingpin is a show-stopper for any candidate’s ascendancy into the highest office in the land.
CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, The Chicago Sun, The New Yorker and The New Republic News, among others have made independent reviews of the Obama-Ayers relationship and found nothing. How come independent reviews have never been conducted relative to the McCain-Liddy relationship? In addition, why has Senator McCain’s not been aggressively questioned on his biased narrow-minded McCarthyism thinking? Why has Senator McCain not been asked about the relationship of Todd Palin with the secessionist Alaska Independent Party? This is a double standard, journalistic failure or an abrogation of responsibility by the US main media. It is important that Americans voters be provided with the relevant information before the Election Day.
By Why?
October 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
To williebkind
Domestic terrorist at churches have been common place in White churches forever. You know those KKK in Southern Baptist churches. Many are good fellow Pastors, deacons, and choir members. You sit under them, and they may or may not speak their “hate” from the pulpit, but I betcha hear plenty in the comfort of your homes.
Did you repudiate their words? Did you not be friends with them? Oh yeah, they are your fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins, and friends, right? Oh yeah, I forgot when it’s you guys lynching, throwing rockes, bombing, and shouting hateful words it’s okay.
Obama wasn’t at church every Sunday I promise you. He probably wasn’t there when his pastor said questionable comments. I went to an all black church for years, and a couple of Sundays the pastor said a few questionable things about Whites. If I weren’t there those Sundays, I would have missed it. When I heard comments I did not like more then once, we looked for a different church. I do not believe racial friction should come from the pastor or congregation regardless of race. It’s just wrong.
Obama/Biden — Yes We Can!!! And, that’s coming from Republican.
By t prescott
October 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
bosch, this will be the first chance i have to vote as a u.s. citizen. i came here from the u.k. many years past. the unemployment there has risen to 40% with an anticipated 6% increase in our present economy. our labour party supports laborers only because it is we who fund roughly 48% of the govts expenditure going to social protections. many of our citizens saw the writing on the wall. a socialized government cannot and should not rule. it is suicide by proxy. i fear for my new home if they choose mr. obama. your constitution set out to break the crown’s rule. i will be voting for mr. baldwin tho i am convinced he will not win.
my best to you.
By lrd
October 20, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Bernake now wants a second stimulus package?? When did he become a marxist?
EEEGAADS.. what is the GOP going to recommend next. Free puppies for everyone to make them feel good?
By E
October 20, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla at 11:19,
Thanks for the link.
I love it! Zbigniew Brzezinski chewed old Joe up and spit him out!
I’ve always admired Mr. B and Mika is wonderful.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Keep it real!
October 20, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
To Skeptic Tank:
You that Senator McClain was not the Replublican choice for this presidential election.
Will you please tell me who voted for Senator McClain?
Something is really wrong with the conservative republicans on this blog or in this town.
Now you do not like senator McClain because their is a chance he may lose the election.
I do not want traitors on my side and that is what a lot of Republicans are displaying by disowning Senator McClain.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
Ird: democrats are in charge of spending, dullard. If it is so bad, then you socialists can just say no.
This week, Democrats are prepared to propose a $300 billion “stimulus” package, which amounts to 2% of the nation’s GDP, over 40 percent of the Emergency Economic Stimulus Package (EESP), and more than half the current price of the war in Iraq. Although Democrats will certainly argue that the bill is intended to “stimulate” the economy, “stimulate,” in government parlance, is often a euphemism for “governmental waste.” This bill is no exception.-AmSpec
But you won’t.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 10:35 AM
On reflection, I’m sure I added that at the last minute. Sorry.
By getalife
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Family Guy
Hilarious.
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Warning, this is a LONG post.
tcoach, to your point about the obvious and insane amount of partisan bickering over silly wedge issues, etc, already Joe the Plumber has supplanted this supposed financial bailout on the nation’s National Enquirer mindset.
But not for some of us.
It is a fictional fix and is truly throwing OUR money into a hole.
Let me see if I understand this correctly. We’re buying the bad credit? From un-credit worthy creditors? Yet they are the very ones who caused this “crisis”!
First they created false financial values. Then they extracted profits that didn’t exist. Then they exempted themselves from market disclosure.
In reality, we all know that this is a bailout of the two party political system which knowingly allowed and enabled it.
And it is the ultimate insult to the American people.
There were NO public hearings. No gathering of the best minds to find actual long term solutions. Or even someone who could discuss options and who would actually advocate for US taxpayers and consumers.
It was a backroom deal between George W. Bush and the Congressional Democrats. (No, Dick Cheney was not involved in this one, he was in an “undisclosed location”!)
They shut out, and sold out the American people.
In 1775 there were 13 colonies under King George II. And in 2008, there are 50 colonies under King George IV.
This is modern day taxation without representation.
And some say this problem was not systemic. A few bad apples.
Yeah right.
First, the Corporate board of directors looked the other way.
Then the Corporate law firms did.
Then the giant accounting firms did.
Then the rating agencies like Standard & Poors and Moodys were overtly paid to look the other way.
Then the Investment banks did.
Next, the state regulatory agencies did.
Ditto, the federal regulatory agencies.
And finally Congress did.
ALL WERE PAID TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY
And Washington had Wall Street over the barrel this time! They could have gotten many concessions for comprehensive change and real oversight, disclosure and effective regulation.
They could have greatly expanded criminal prosecution. You know, empty the jails of the non-violent drug users and throw the MANY white collar criminals in. That should definitely reform the prison system!
They could have and SHOULD HAVE made the hedge fund speculators and swindlers pay for the bailout.
500 Trillion Dollars in credit derivative sales and purchases! And even a tiny tax would have gone an enormous way to come up with this capital.
It is the corporate destruction of capitalism. And it will be paid for by the taxpayers of today AND tomorrow. They are no bailouts for you and me, or our children and grandchildren.
By GreenJeans
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
“I do not agree with his decision nor can I really understand the reasons that led him to make it…”
Does not compute (bangs into wall)
Does not compute (bangs into wall)
Does not compute (bangs into wall)
By John
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Shame on williebkind and all the crybaby conservatives who I knew would trash Powell. He was your darling as long as he stayed in line. Once he spoke his mind he became just another shiftless, lazy, drug-using, welfare getting, affirmative action Black.
New flash! Powell was an Army general, Chairman of of the joint chiefs, and Secretary of State. How do you fix your feeble mind to think just because you are white that are white that you are better? Get a life and please, by all means, vote for M/P. You deserve each other.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
t prescott @ 11.45, really? Unemployment is 40%?
It’s 5.7% according to this.
And that’s the “highest for 17 years.”
Want to try again? I’ve got another leg you can pull.
By lrd
October 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
I forgot that the Dem have the WH and all the Cabinet members too, that is one heck of a party switch
And this one liberal that has been saying NO from the beginning… the first one financed by china…to the bailout to now this one…
By Swami Dave
October 20, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Mike:
I will only take from your response that we apparently disagree. Should you choose to make a point instead of devolving to mindless partisan attacks, I would be more than happy to share with you how “stupid” I might or might not be.
-Swami Dave
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
(Continued from my past at 12:07)
And it was predicted – Ralph Nader, Gretchen Morganstern and Ben Stein, and even the WSJ and NYT all saw it coming. (Yet, as corporate owned interests themselves, the propagandist MSM will not provide any real coverage to those who try to organize and actually confront the problems.)
This “crisis” is the result of simple greed mixed with concentrated, unregulated power that answers to no one but themselves. Even the head of the federal reserve called it ” A sustained orgy of excess and speculative behavior.”
FDR said, “Liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”
The NYSE is a study in casino capitalism!
Most Americans do not understand these 3 Principles of capitalism.
1) If you own it you control it. But not so in corporate America. The investors and and shareholders have little, if any real say, and certainly don’t control the assets . 2) You are free to fail. Unless of course, you are so big that you can get the government to bail you out.
3) Capitalism should not use government powers to get at give away prices, public lands and countless other resources. They belong to the American people.
The people’s sovereignty is superior to corporate interests. These are artificial entities, THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE and if I understand the US Constitution properly, they have no constitutional rights.
Since 1968, American worker productivity has doubled.
Yet 80% of Americans earn less in inflation adjusted dollars than they did in 1973.
Taft Hartley, tort reform and other pro-corporate, anti-people legislation is why we are where we are.
And these three supposed debates between Mssrs. Obama and McCain were the voice of avoidance.
47 million Americans uninsured. Another 50 million under insured. Our jobs are outsourced to fascistic and communist countries.
Why? Because economic justice has been usurped by giant multinational corporate interests, via global agreements like NAFTA. And who owns those interests?
Wall street.
Is this patriotism?
Do these giant multinational corporations have any allegiance to the United States of America? Or the people of this nation? Of course not.
90% Americans think this nation is in decline.
75% think corporations have too much control.
60% think the two major political parties are failing.
But there are vanguards. Regardless of political background, people are rightfully angry and want to hold these corporations accountable to their employees, investors, community, nation and the rule of law.
To the swindlers, crooks and speculators on wall street, I say take down old glory. You are not patriots.
And to the thieves and liars on Wall Street, I say like president Reagan did, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
Before the American people do!
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
To AmVet, et al
There are many important issues involved here; the economy, terrorism, education, etc., etc. but for me that all pales in comparison to those Supreme Court appointments whose future rulings will effect us and this Republic not just for four/eight years but for generations (if we last that long).
It’s just too important to leave to the likes of an Obama and his ideology.
By Goldie
October 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
the party base should open their damn eyes and ears and listen to what that woman actually says.
JAY— it’s painful to listen to what Palin says… not only in content, but that nasal twang is liking fingernails on a blackboard to me. I automatically just flip the TV news channel when she is on, because I pretty much know the gibberish she’s gonna be talking about on given day, and it’s damaging to my ears to try and listen!
I don’t mind John McAngry’s gibberish so much, because he sometimes at least has a comedic effect with his rhetoric… not as hateful as Palin’s rhetoric.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Corporal, since you’ve listed supreme court appointments as paramount, do you know which supreme court vacancies are likely to be made in the next 4/8 years?
Do you? really? And you’re all scared of Obama, why?
Just how packed with “conservatives” does the damn court have to be in order to appease you?
By Skeptic Tank
October 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
tcoach
Sorry, I could never have offered the same level of support to Bush that I would to Senator McCain. Bush’s total lack of accountability of his actions was more detrimental to America than any “lack of respect” on my part in not supporting him.
ninaK
My post was a response to a hypothetical question, that being, if McCain won the election, would I support him. I would, as should any American. The same should be true of conservative Americans, if Obama is victorious.
Keep It REal
I am not a Republican. I never supported McCain, so I’m definitely not turning on him.
By Goldie
October 20, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
GreenJeans @ 12:07 — I know, it’s astounding how the right-wingnuts are tuning out everything Colin Powell SAID were his reasons, and instead they just go on with their auto-pilot and trash him for being himself in speaking his mind.
The wingnuts are livid that Powell has been forgiven for his sins of 2002…
By dimwit
October 20, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
This bailout will be going directly to the states, mostly democratic ones that put social agendas ahead of taxpayers.
And so what if next years budget deficit will be over a TRILLION dollars, 10 times that of the 2005 buddget. Spread the wealth!!
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Corporal, seven of the current nine Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republican presidents. And that is still not good enough for you.
How much partisanship is enough?
Nine out of nine?
Do yourself a favor and give up on this Republican Party. Just as I did the Democratic Party 12 years ago.
These two political parties do NOT own all of us. And they certainly don’t work (very well) for us.
So, for all of you disenchanted Republicans and disenchanted Democrats, check out votepact.org.
It is a fascinating concept.
And become a vanguard…
By BS Aplenty
October 20, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Dem Strategy Statement #OU-812
In these final days prior to the presidential election, your Dem Party Policy people have adopted the new DSS #OU-812. This policy statement protects the illusion that candidate 0bama did not attend a racist church in Chicago for over twenty years.
Now, the Rethuglicans are going to tell you that the Trinity United Church of Christ endorses the racist teaching of James H. Cone. TUCC is the congregation where candidate Obama attended, worshipped, heck, brought his family to worship, for twenty years, and TUCC is a Black Liberation Theology congregation after all. Who knew? Just file it under “stuff happens.”
OK, so they’ve got us on that one - don’t give in.
Now, when the ‘thuglicans bring this fact up, you can respond in an anonymous editorial letter or, better, an anonymous blog post posing as a ‘thuglican and say all kinds of racist things. You know, drop the n-bomb all around. This strategy keeps the public thinking we’re all just happy-go-lucky racists and canididate 0bama’s just one of us. Say a couple of “Hail Marys” afterward for forgiveness. It might work.
OK, so 0bama’s running for the presidency and he shouldn’t be a converted racist even if all us other illiterate half-wits are. Alright, alright, that’s two the ‘thuglicans got us on.
Now, Rev. Wright was just preaching from James Cone about Whitey being the Anti-Christ. And, it’s true, ain’t no Rev. created yet who didn’t say what the congregation paid to hear. Candidate Obama could have left anytime after his first read of James Cone’s, A Black Theology of Liberation but he didn’t.
OK, so candidate Obama’s a slow learner. ‘Thuglicans got us there, too. After all, who else would sit in a church for twenty years and accept that racist tripe unless you arrived on the short bus.
Nevermind.
McCain/Palin ‘08 - The Right Kind of Change
By Goldie
October 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
but for me that all pales in comparison to those Supreme Court appointments whose future rulings will effect us and this Republic
Corporal @ 12:20 — I’m in agreement with you to the extent that America cannot risk another 4 years of the Repugs’ selection of judges to the Supreme Court… our liberties and rights are in constant jeopardy with the Repugs’ extremist ideology, and America won’t stand for it anymore!
By tonya
October 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
Colin Powell has shown that he is black Now? Really? Just because he has obviously come to the conclusion that another Bush administration is not what we need? Draw another conclusion buddy. that one is lame.
By IUGET
October 20, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
LISTEN UP LIBS - POWELL IS BACKING OBAMA BECAUSE AFTER YEARS OF BEING SMEARED BY THE LEFT, AND CALLED A TOM BY MEMBERS OF HIS RACE, HE SEES A CHANCE TO COME IN OUT OF THE COLD.HE DOESN’T WANT THE LIB MEDIA TO REFER TO HIM IN HISTORY LIKE A CLARENCE THOMAS.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
BS, for the record, what Obama heard at Trinity wasn’t “racist tripe” and I doubt you’re going to get any new takers for your ridiculous, convoluted, guilt-by-tortured-association arguments at this late date.
Don’t you have some missing Indonesian birth certificate to chase down?
By RW-(the original)
October 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
Palin: Obama’s inexperience will prompt nations to test us
“Mark my words,” the vice presidential nominee warned Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy
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The above text has been slightly altered.
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Like many Americans, Colin Powell is hard to pigeon hole.
Though the ignorant always try to do so.
On one hand he joined with the ACLU in objecting to the proposed Flag Protection Amendment.
*He states as follows, “Few countries in the world would think of amending their constitution for the purpose of protecting such a symbol. … They may be destroying a piece of cloth but they do no damage to our system of freedom, which tolerates such desecration.”
He then goes on to state, “If I were a member of Congress, I would not vote for the proposed amendment…*
In response, the cretinous Michael Savage opined, “For Colin Powell to have come out against this amendment shows us that he walks like a liberal, talks like a liberal and thinks like a liberal.
Yet…
His best-known “political” action as chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was his shrewd derailing of President Clinton’s early attempt to admit open gays into the military.
Yet…
He is pro-choice and a supporter of affirmative action.
But most tellingly:
Powell has come under three sorts of critical attack. Liberals such as the Times editorialist who claimed that he failed in his duty to halt a war in which he disbelieved; conservatives that he delayed and obstructed the prosecution of that war; and both that he waged a bureaucratic battle of leaks to gain credit with both the president and his liberal critics.
Put that in your Powell pipe and smoke it…
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 20, 2008 11:08 AM
Agreed.
With divided government both sides get their spending priorities met in a “compromise.”
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
“Mark my words,” the vice presidential nominee warned…
Maybe Sarah BarraClueless saw the Rooskies gearing up through her binoculars!
By RW-(the original)
October 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Just as I suspected the dullest knife in the drawer was the first to take a stab.
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Sounds like Biden’s making a pretty good case for electing the Presidential candidate with experience. Not to mention that even Biden doesn’t buy the BS that the world will love us if we just elect Barry.
By Skeptic Tank
October 20, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
I will never forgive Colin Powell for carrying water for the Bush administration in its ill-advised war on Iraq. I had always held the man in the highest regard, but his performance in front of the UN Security Council was deplorable.
Later, I read that he was irate at the “intelligence” that he was supposed to be touting at this hearing. But being the good soldier, he did Bush’s bidding anyway. Then he waited out Bush’s first term, and skiddaddled.
I’ve always been upset that Powell didn’t write a tell-all which would have disemboweled the Bush administration for its lies and distortions during his tenure.
However, with his endorsement of Obama over McCain, I get the feeling that he has thrust the knife deep into the Republican Party for all its misdeeds over the past 8 years. It may be backhanded, but it’s a beautiful thing nonetheless.
By Keep it real!
October 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Wow now we are using Governor Palin words for foriegn policy developments!
You will be fined if you post another foriegn policy statement from Governor Palin! LOL
Russia/backyard=foreign policy experience
I watch law and order=I have experience at becoming a policemen!
STOP-IT with the Palin quotes!
Hey Lets prop up the independent party. We need to introduce their standing to keep these other 2 parties in line!
By T
October 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know what exactly it is Corporal is scared of?
It’s not the homo’s is it? Oh, no. Not eveyone should have equal rights and the pursuit of happiness.
By dw
October 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
If someone disagrees with your point of view, then you automatically think it is hateful. Pretty narrow thinking for such a tolerant person, because Democrats can only be tolerant. If you’re whining about Roe v. Wade, Palin stated she doesn’t agree with abortion, thinks it’s morally wrong, but it was not governments place to decide. Atleast that is what I heard from one of the televised speakings. I agree, if you want to destroy your heritage, have at it. Less liberals in the future. See I support your view and you should be happy about it. You have been given a wonderful gift. You know what Palin is saying, but you don’t listen whenever she is speaking. Must be nice being all-knowing and clairvoyant. What else is Palin saying, that you are getting this clairvoyant knowledge and that you find is so hateful? Please give actual examples.
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
To AmVet and Hillbilly Ragger
Conservative is the wrong word. I will not be happy until all nine justices are Constitutional Originalists as opposed to some others who now consider international law in interpreting our Constitution. What a disgrace to that document.
The Constitution is a written contract. A contract means what it says and says what it means. To make rulings based on political opinion or correctness, cultural changes or even international law is to cheapen and even prostitute that great document.
If you want to change the Constitution there is a process. It’s called an amendment.
For example, the Civil War or the Emancipation Proclamation did NOT end slavery. It took an amendment. Giving women the right to vote - took an amendment.
It’s just too important to our future to leave to the likes of Obama.
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
If you’re in the mood, and know of someone deserving of such treatment (Jay, in your case, that might be Jim), I offer How To Make a Conservative Cry Today.
Step one: Show them this.
In particular make sure they read the last paragraph: Barack Obama himself hopped on a nationwide all-staff conference call Friday to emphasize this point to the troops. Pledging to ‘come down hard’ on anyone getting ‘too cocky,’ Obama specifically and pre-emptively called out any semblance of lack of focus. High-fiving, for example, is strictly verboten. Acknowledging everyone must be exhausted, he pointed out that he was pretty worn out too. ‘I’ve been doing this longer than you, and I’m older than all of you.’ The message: if I can finish this off, so can you. Do not doubt that this is a man firmly in control of his campaign.
Step two: ask them to imagine John McCain making a similarly credible appeal to his campaign staff, at any time during his race to the white house.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 20, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Huh?-
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”-Hair Plugs
Did he really just say that?
So the whole world, except for the democrat stooges, knows that this guy is a lightweight?
Who needs a nuclear showdown?
McCain 08, avoid the international crisis, thank you very much.
By RW-(the original)
October 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
(COLORADO SPRINGS) It was less than two weeks ago when Sarah Palin astonished her traveling press corps by lifting the curtain (literally) and journeying to the back of her campaign plane to answer reporters’ questions for the first time after 40 days on the campaign trail. But the candidate who has been criticized for having a bunker mentality when it came to the national media can now lay legitimate claim to being more accessible than either Joe Biden or Barack Obama
In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.
By contrast, Biden hasn’t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn’t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain—who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability—hasn’t done one since Sept. 23
Isn’t it about time for one of those famous Jay B editorials telling us to vote for the ticket that’s not afraid to talk to the press?
By hillbilly ragger
October 20, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
T @ 1.14, if I had to bet, I’d imagine what most conservatives are afraid of from an Obama court is a blown opportunity to defy the constitution and the wishes of a majority of the nation and finally overturn Roe v. Wade.
The rabid righties who have a hard-on to criminalize abortion SOMEWHERE in the US. They’d love to make it a national ban, indeed the GOP platform still calls for a constitutional amendment, but they know that’ll never happen.
The current 5-4 court doesn’t have the balls to do reverse Roe, but if a Republican were elected, likely Souter, Ginsberg, Breyer, or Stevens would either pass on or resign in the next four years, and they might just do the deed then.
That’s probably what Corporal’s afraid of. They were so close—SO CLOSE!—to gettin’ ‘r done…
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Keep it real.
Well said.
Very well said.
And to show just how lacking in critical thinking skills some are, one of the more disgruntled bloggers here has actually posited writing in Ms. Palin for US President.
You simply cannot make up stuff this good…
And good call on the Independent Party. I truly encourage everyone who is not as Jefferson called them, “A slave to their beliefs” to check out votenader.org.
You MIGHT just learn a thing or three…
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM
Who’s going to absorb the trillions of dollars in Credit Default Swaps I keep hearing about?
By making
October 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
lol…that’s all I can say after reading all the comments today.
By TN Gelding
October 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
AmVet
October 20, 2008 12:07 PM
Sorry, I missed your reference to derivitives.
Gretchen Morgenstern reported last week that there are - drum roll - $62 trillion (with a “T”) in credit default swaps written against Fannie and Freddie debt, or somewhere near 12 times the actual debt. Even if you cut this in half - because technically, when a buyer and a seller enter into a single transaction they create twice the value of the transaction in credit derivatives - this is a huge sum, far out of proportion to the underlying assets.
And so now we are at a point where we are going to be forced to pick up the very expensive pieces. The alternative is to let the world as we know it go up in smoke. The mortgage market is dysfunctional now without Freddie and Fannie. The housing crisis would be far worse if you let them die. And once you determine to pick up the costs, you have gone down a very slippery slope. Yet if we don’t do it, the systemic crisis will be far worse than the problems resulting from Bear, and those would have been horrific. John Mauldin
“DERIVATIVES ARE WEAPONS OF MASS FINANCIAL DESTRUCTION”. Warren Buffett
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Corporal, Constitutional Originalists?
What the h&ll does that even mean?
Here is the list of what it would look like left up to the “Constitutional Originalists”.
28) ERA
29) Flag-burning Amendment
30) Definition of Marriage Amendment
31) No Special Rights for Homos Amendment
32) Reinstatement of the 18th Amendment Amendment
33) The God Everywhere Amendment
34) The Balanced Budget Amendment
35) Abolishing the Electoral College Amendment
36) The Schwarzenegger Amendment (just for you foreigners)
37) Removal of citizenship from children of illegal immigrants (Mark Foley Amendment)
38) Human Life Amendment (for all the baby killers)
ENOUGH!!!
Just try and keep your filthy hands off of that sacred document, OK?
By CommunistAJC
October 20, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Someone better put a muzzle on Biden. Otherwise people may see through Barack Hussein.
Biden to Supporters: “Gird Your Loins”, For the Next President “It’s Like Cleaning Augean Stables”
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis.
“Gird your loins,” Biden told the crowd. “We’re gonna win with your help, God willing, we’re gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It’s like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.”
The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.
“I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I’m not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it,” the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. “This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.”
“There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision’,” Biden continued. “Because if you think the decision is sound when they’re made, which I believe you will when they’re made, they’re not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound.”
Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden “alive and well” and Pakistan “bristling with nuclear weapons.”
“You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region,” Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. “The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it’s real.”
“We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes,” he cautioned. “It’s so much more important than that. It’s so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it.”
After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.
“I probably shouldn’t have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here,” he joked.
“All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place,” he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. “We have the ability to straighten it out. It’s gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us.”
By AmVet
October 20, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
TN Gelding, I have, after years of very close observation, come to the sad conclusion that the American people are in fact, very content to do nothing whatsoever of substance about these many debacles.
I know that sounds controversial and counter-intuitive, but how else can one explain the tiny support for those who are willing and able to change this dysfunctional system of ours?
90% of Americans think this country is in decline!
But very few are REALLY interested in economic or other kinds of justice. They certainly aren’t willing to hold accountable the people they ardently continue to believe in and enable, though they make the needless sacrifices on their behalf.
So they blather on endlessly here about the merits, or not, of the evil of the two lessers - Obama and McCain.
And we keep on sending back to Washington over and over and over again the Kennedys, John McCains, Bushes and Clintons, ad nauseum to supposedly fix the very problems THEY created.
It is a massive and nationwide delusion that is becoming a national tragedy, if not a holocaust.
And the American consumers and taxpayers are the sacrificial lambs…
Nader/Gonzalez 08
By mm
October 20, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
My my. Look how the wingnuts immediately twist around the words of Joe Biden.
Not surprising. He’s stating how he feels Obama is certainly up to the test.
The wingnuts try to twist into Biden doubting Barack’s readiness.
Anyone here surprised?
Face it wingnuts, McCain’s going down like a 5 dollar hooker.
By Paul
October 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
mm
What got twisted with Biden’s remarks?
It’s pretty clear that, like Bush, Obama will make decisions that aren’t popular. He’ll do things that initially, it isn’t clear it’s the right thing to do. Just like Bush.
I’m getting confused on this ‘change’ thing.
By Almost Surprising
October 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
Repubs go vote for you ticket, stop all hate. You call yourselves Conservative Christians?
By CommunistAJC
October 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
mm, Hooker? I didn’t bring your mom in to this. How were Bidens words twisted? He said it. If you can not decipher what this idiot said than you are indeed a troglodyte. Obama Hussein is not ready. The job of the president is not an entry level position. Go sell stupid somewhere else.
By CommunistAJC
October 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Almost Surprising, The only thing surprising about you is your lack of intelligence.
By "The Corporal"
October 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
To AmVet
You a sad case buddy. May I ask what unit you served in and when ?
By Jerry
October 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
All of 65 years of life have all been spent as a native Georgian and during that period I have seen a lot of events transpire in our state. Based on those years of observation, it is with great certainty that I emphatically state that the people of Georgia have always been one of the last groups in the nation to realize whether or not a pig is wearing lipstick, while often confusing a sow with a boar.
By Jerry
October 20, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
All of my 65 years of life have all been spent as a native Georgian and during that period I have seen a lot of events transpire in our state. Based on those years of observation, it is with great certainty that I emphatically state that the people of Georgia have always been one of the last groups in the nation to realize whether or not a pig is wearing lipstick, while often confusing a sow with a boar.
By No_Osama08
October 20, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
The amount of liberals on this blog (including the host) truly disgust me!
Prediction: McCain wins easily, call it Bradley factor or whatever you want to call it, but there is no way Barrack Hussien Obama wins on Nov. 4th.
By Frederick Douglass
October 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
AmVET, Ralph Nader’s an Arab, and according to the old lady at the McKlan rally, he can’t be trusted, and certainly can’t be our president.
By Liberal Lunchmeat
October 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Hillbilly Ragger @ 1:17
Apparently Obama’s not forceful a memo writer as you propose. Maybe Chad’s just reflecting the Obama camp’s true colors.
By Chad Harris October 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
What is truly pathetic is that Jim Wooten and his all white country club homeboys and homegirls write columns and make sweeping generalizations without butressing any of them because they are poorly educated and don’t read widely.
They would urge you to put a quintissential moron Sarah Palin next in line to a man who refuses any meaningful release of both his wife’s tax return and his own medical records unlike his opponents after McCain has undergone resection for a very large metastatic melanoma and has better than 2/3 of a chance of another recurrence or several recurrences according to widely accepted stats in the current dermatology literature.
The arrogance of Wooten and his crowd is to put this moron in line for the presidency when she and her party are so ashamed of her blazing ignorance that she will not go on any major Sunday talk show for a full hour or half hour interview unlike her opponents have many times over.
Further these arrogant white country club bigots want you to vote this totally stupid woman next in line for the presidency to a man who has statistically significant medical risks of stepping aside, and the woman is so stupid neither she nor her party will take any spontaneous questions from either the press or the voters with nearly two weeks until the election.
One thing is clear. They are significantly stupid and they have been willing to bet that you are.
Can you feel the unhinged hate? But then, the apple don’t fall far from the Obama-tree.
By CommunistAJC
October 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
“The Corporal”, Amvet likes to show off his service and anyone who calls him out as an idiot is either a chickenhawk, p***, or moron. Amvet is so much smarter than we mere mortals. According to Amvet, Nadar should be president. That right there shows how idiotic Amvet really is.
By Mike T.
October 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
President Hussein Ah yeah we can say Hussein, thats is his middle name. You know libs, like ya’ll say W.
By Frederick Douglass
October 20, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
So if Obama wins, does that mean suicide nets will have to be put up around double wide trailers?
By RW-(the original)
October 20, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
Test
By cc
October 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this
Face facts people. Obama is going to win because people in this country don’t want to work to achieve their own wealth. So instead they rather punish those of us who work 60, 70 hours a week, take care of a family and some even go to school at night to achieve some level of success. But instead they are jealous and lazy and look to the government to bail their sorry butts out. We who are the high achievers who worked are way up and struggle through hard times and finally are in a place of comfort and stability are not going to be punished by Obama and his ugly a* wife because it’s not fair that we bust our butts and other don’t ever try we have to support their lazy butts. So as much as I don’t want to see Obama and his dog of a wife in the white house it’s going to happen folks so grap your legs and kiss you a* good bye because this way of life is going to be over in 15 days.
By sally
October 20, 2008 7:57 PM | Link to this
I have never heard one person say we voted for someone because they were white. Stop being stupid with the black comments.
By cc
October 20, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
For your information Sally, I am black and I’m not voting for obama. I have worked hard all my life and now to have this slick car saleman come in and take my hard earned money and tell me I have to help some low life who one, I could care less about and two, can kiss my black butt. And as for you, you’re probably some old white woman who feels so guilt for slavery that’s why you are voting for Obama. As for slavery, find me a person who is a slave today. I for one am not a slave and choose not to be one either. And what I mean as a slave is slave to the government and not having a mind of my own. And Col. Powell is a sell out too.
By steve
October 20, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
The media worked doubletime yesterday for free, I think, to spin the C Powell endorsement of Obama as the final straw. Actually, the key events of this campaign are Obama’s 23 year association with Jeremia Wright and his inane comment about “spreading the wealth” to Joe the Plumber. Until Obama explains with precision what he means by “spread the wealth” we will make up our own minds about what he meant. Obama is on the defensive even if the media dosen’t realize it.
By WhoIsJohnGalt
October 20, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
First, Jay Bookman is a small “c” communist and a capital “S” Socialist. Anyone who has seen him on Free Speech TV knows this.
Second, go ahead and elect Obama. you cannot change the rule of capitalism. It will rule no matter what. Here’s what to look for in the coming months and years: crisis after crisis; programs and laws enacted in order to deal with the National Crisis du jour. More and more power goes to the government. More and more government solutions are tried. NONE OF THEM WORK. Things will only get worse and worse. Freedom of Speech will suffer, everyone will get poorer and poorer resulting in even more “programs” to solve the problem. See above NONE OF THEM WILL WORK!
More and more programs in the National Interest and for the Public Good will be established trying to help the public. Trouble is, the Public is everybody BUT YOU! Enslavement is coming! Don’t you see?
Read Atlas Shrigged! It’s all in THE BOOK! it has been predicted.
The liberal Fascist path that Woodrow Wilson and FDR started us down will see fruition with an Obama presidency. Then one of two things will happen: A huge war to get us distracted and out of the economic downturn, or the collapse of world civilization. Things will not improve until we hit ROCK BOTTOM and finally see that Socialism never works. How much evidence do you need? History is rife with examples. But don’t listen to me, vote for Mr. O. He is our fearless leader, he can talk anyone into anything, he is our Saviour, our Saint. All Praise The One!!!! Pay no attention to all the evidence in front of you!
By TooMuch
October 20, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
Now that the latest attacks are socialist/marxist labels against Obama/Biden. Here is my wish for all their pundits sprewing the BS….I hope all your so called wealth dries up, that you businesses struggle to stay afloat and that your medical conditions are not covered by your insurance company. I wish that for you racist pigs who hide behind non issues to have your hillbilly say.
By Frederick Douglass
October 20, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this
cc you’re not the only black person that has worked hard their whole life, but I guess the real question is do you know who John McCain really is? McCain is as much a used car salesman as Obama, difference is, Obama might tell you the brakes are bad on the clonker you just bought, McCain’ll let your ebony a$$ drive off and break your neck. I’m amazed at how today’s black parents let their kids leave home ill equipped to deal with the ” trickeration” lurking just below the surface of society. Money is poor insulation against foolishness.
By brigitte
October 21, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this
When is Palin going to court? she has two court cases starting against her, and everyone keeps quiet. I have this terrible feeling that Palins campaign people are silencing everyone about Palins real character whilst in the meantime allowing her and McCain to continue slandering with evil Robo calls a really good man, and the only Presidents candidate we should vote for, namely Obama.
By williebkind
October 21, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this
By Why? October 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
“To williebkind
Domestic terrorist at churches have been common place in White churches forever. You know those KKK in Southern Baptist churches. Many are good fellow Pastors, deacons, and choir members. You sit under them, and they may or may not speak their “hate” from the pulpit, but I betcha hear plenty in the comfort of your homes.”
Domestic terrorist? Like Ayers—Obama’s stepping stool into politics?
What is spoken in your home, yankeedoodle? The law and media got it changed did it. Now where is the law and media when we see the same hatred coming from Rev. Wrighteous. I remember the media attacking people associated with that organization and they were not a member!
The KKK got delt with but is not Ayers free and enjoying capitalism. You compare a group hating another group but Ayers wanted to destroy America. It has always been the liberals mind to make me live their way. Aint gonna happen.
McCain/Palin 08
By williebkind
October 21, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this
Jay, What are your marching orders from the DNC this week? Is it going to be poll numbers, economy, or just spinning? You dod have a huge following in racist Atlanta. Liberals from every state and boasting their intelligence and education. I do not get that! If they are so intelligent and educated and are the primary source for teachers, then why are our schools rated below the septic pools. I want to hear more about our great leadership in congress!
By El Gato
October 21, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Jerry,
Delta is ready when you are to fly you home to the great white north. Why stay in the south with a bunch of ignorant people? I am sure the north would welcome you home and love to see the tax base they have been losing for 50 years.
By Georgia Gal
October 21, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
“On the other hand, the rest of America thinks the party base should open their damn eyes and ears and listen to what that woman actually says.”
Amen!
By More republican LIES
October 21, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
Republicans have VOTER FRAUD issues as usual.They collected signatures in several states LYING to the people saying they were signing a petition against chil-molestation. The signatures were really to change their registration from democrat to republican to PREVENT them from VOTING in November. As usual republicans use LIES and attempt to STEAL yet another ELECTION.200,000 complaints so far and counting. Also, early voters in several states reported their votes for Obama were being switched to McCain by machine “malfunctions” Notice it is ALWAYS democrat votes that are suppressed? Make sure to double check your vote is recorded properly. Report any problems to poll workers and ask for a provisional ballot if you suspect machine “malfunction” Report any problems and DEMAND your vote be counted.
By Skeptic Tank
October 21, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
It never ceases to amaze me how little McCain supporters have to say in his behalf.
I guess it’s easier to trash the opposition than it is to justify their own weak and uninspiring candidate.
By Ed
October 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Joe the Plumber was a bigger endorsement than Powell’s expected endorsement. Powell was always weak, even as a General, he was a ‘yes man’. He was not cut from the same cloth as a real active duty General who saw war like General Norman Schwarzkopf. I don’t know if his race had anything to do with endorsement as much as the fact that Powell was so weak-kneed, he waited until the end to endorse someone. Not until the polls showed a double digit lead did he stick his neck out and take a chance. Powell for sure was promoted to General based only on his race; the Air Force badly needed a minority General and they knew in Powell they had a man that would follow directions and never ask why. Outside of the military Powell held some clout, those of us who were active duty knew the real reasons behind his promotions.
By Richard
October 21, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Someone tell him to bring back his Birth-Certificate back from Hawaii
By ESR
October 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Why will Obama win? It’s not his experience or his qualifications. If you heard what he said to Joe the plumber, you’ll know why he’ll win. He told Joe, ” Let’s share the wealth.” That one line summed up the Obama administration. Most of his supporters are in total favor of wealth redistribution through taxes, they lived off of entitlement for generations and they view Obama as one big fat free check coming home to roost. Why wouldn’t you vote for someone who you think will be better than welfare, free peanut butter and government cheese. If you were never raised to be self-providing and responsible, Obama is a dream come true. He is a God to welfare. He is a fashion statement to high achieving whites, like a new designer label that’s hot this year. To others however, he is Christmas every day; something for free you don’t have to work for. The economy is in good shape right now compared to what we’ll see in two years. I will be able to say I didn’t contribute to the downfall of our way of life. That’s all I can do.
By Richard
October 21, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
I foresee Purple libs going down in flames in Nov. And all your voting fraud will not help you
By Georgia Gal
October 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
ESR,
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but not all of Obama’s supporters are on welfare. There are alot of us who aren’t. I have a college degree and work very hard at my job, but over the last 8 years of the Bush administration I have been paying more in taxes than some of the people that I work for. That’s not right. Also, inflation has risen at an extraordinary rate while most people’s salaries have not. There are alot of Obama supporters out (myself included) who work very hard but sometimes still have a hard time making ends meet. I wish you McCain supporters would stop assuming that every Obama supporter is an ultra-liberal deadbeat. I am definetely not a deadbeat and I am not a liberal or even a democrat. As I said before, I work hard a full-time job that I have had for almost 10 years and I am a moderate independent who has voted Republican if much if not more over the years as I have Democrat.
By fred
October 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
As an Independent Conservative I see a lot of Republicans that are deadbeats and are Liberal. W Bush is the biggest spender in history, Republicans including McCain want to legalize Mexican Workers and give them benefits, Republicans gladly take food stamps, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade benefits, Republicans want bigger government (look at their earmarks for proof) and the latest spend party 750 Billion Wall Street bailout.. Real Conservatives do not vote Republican. They vote Barr or the new Constitutional Party.
By Obamafan
October 21, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
@GeorgiaGAl, and CC Please never tell anyone that you all are black, you sound highly uneducated and ignorant, any black person thats votes for Mccain is foolish and has issues, black people have come to far to let you two fools! and I mean Fools make us look foolish, please tell people you are a uncle tom white person!! Its a disgrace to hear that black people are not voting for Obama, its even worse when we dont vote at all, BUT IT IS HORRIBLE WHEN WE VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHITE AND OLD AND CAN CARELESS ABOUT US AS A PEOPLE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!
By making
October 21, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Nothing in life is free…no matter the outcome of this election, we ALL will pay.
By making
October 21, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
To: Obamafan..So your comments show to all of us the TRUE idea of the black population…we have a black person running for President, so he should be the ONE. You vote for the best qualified, NOT RACE. If everyone thought as you…McCain will win by a landslide, but I believe everyone else have enough sense to not vote RACE but to vote by their qualifying view. This is an election, not an entitlement. Thanks for your comment. Prayer for America.
By Georgia Gal
October 21, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Obamafan,
What are you talking about?? Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I’m not black … in fact I’m white and I have a college education.
I think you completely missed the point of my post. Some of the comments here and elsewhere by some McCain supporters seem to suggest that some of them believe that all Obama supporters are liberal, deadbeats. I was only trying to prove them wrong by letting them know that I am an Obama supporter and none of those things. I wasn’t saying that’s what I believe, but I was saying that’s what some of them seem to believe.
Given your name I would assume that you are supporting Obama, but given your post … I have to wonder.
BTW, I don’t want to offend anyone so let me just add that I know all McCain supporters are not that bias. Just a handful.
By cc
October 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
See, Obamafan just proved my point. That person is only voting for Obama because he’s black. And I’m an uncle tom because I’m not a kool-aid drinker. Obama is not going to do anything for me but raise my taxes and hand out welfare checks.And I’m suppose to vote for him just because he’s black. Yeah, right like he’s going to put me to the front of the line. Obamafan is an idiot and I’m still voting for McCain wiith my black a$$ and all you black people voting for Obama just wait for your hand out. See how fast you get it.
By Shannon
October 21, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
I am voting for Obama not because I don’t want to work to achieve my own wealth (I work very hard at my job and I do well), but because under Republicans this country is headed in the completely wrong direction!!! We’ve had 8 years of Republican rule and we are not in good shape as a country and it is time for a change.