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DEL.ICIO.USRove’s “math” still looks dire for McCain
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Karl Rove — you remember, the guy who claimed to have “THE math” back in 2006? — has gotten a lot of attention for his piece yesterday in the Wall Street Journal. A lot of people seized upon it as evidence that Obama’s lead may not be quite what it seems.
Said Rove:
“Barack Obama holds a 7.3% lead in the Real Clear Politics average of all polls, but the latest Gallup tracking poll reveals that there are nearly twice as many undecided voters this year than there were in the last presidential election. The Investor’s Business Daily/TIPP poll (which was closest to the mark in predicting the 2004 outcome — 0.4% off the actual result) now says this is a three-point race.”
But Rove’s bottom line was a lot more sobering for the GOP. He lists a string of states that McCain must focus on — Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Nevada, “If he carries those states, while losing only Iowa and New Mexico from the GOP’s 2004 total, Mr. McCain will carry 274 Electoral College votes and the White House. It’s threading the needle, but it’s come to that,” says Rove.
But if you look, McCain is losing in all of those must-have states, some by just a bit, but Virginia, Florida and Colorado by five points or more. And in his conclusion, Rove acknowledges the dire situation for the McCain campaign.
“Whether it can find the right formula in the next 19 days to dig out is a question. If Mr. McCain succeeds, he will have engineered the most impressive and improbable political comeback since Harry Truman in 1948. But having to reach back more than a half-century for inspiration is not the place campaign managers want to be now.”
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By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
The Champagne is on ice, but my fingers are crossed. The GOP will keep trying anything to win, even if in their hearts and minds they know their candidate doesn’t have the temperament, energy, intellect or communication skills for the job.
Latest from the polls.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
*OHIO VERDICT OVERTURNED
By getalife
October 17, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Washinton Post and NY Times endorse Obama. The arguments are over and time to get the young to actually vote this time.
I think this cycle, they will thanks to w’s recession just like his daddy.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
O.K. let’s use Ap/Yahoo’s “math” instead:
AP/YAHOO Poll of 873 Democrats; 650 Republicans shows OBAMA 44%, MCCAIN 42%…
bwa
By hillbilly ragger
October 17, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Jay, I suppose I should chastize you for giving Rove any more undeserved attention than he already manages from the rest of the so-called-liberal media.
But I got a great night’s sleep and had a super productive morning, and I’m feeling nice, so I’ll just say “Howdy, everyone!”
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
**Well, isn’t that interesting. The biggest Republican “voter fraud” cause, involving ACORN among others, just got thrown out by George Bush’s conservative Republican US Supreme Court. The Ohio GOP tried to take away the voting rights of 200,000 voters in that state, after ACORN and others registered voters with misspelled names. George Bush’s conservative Republican U.S. Supreme Court just took the side of Democrats in Ohio, and overturned a lower court’s decision which took the side of the GOP. Ohio’s Secretary of State appealed that earlier ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court — and won:](http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/breaking-us-supreme-court-stops-gop.html)
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
The New York Times endorses Oblahma.
Heh.
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Though we doubt most Americans realize it, this would be one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history. Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven’t since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.-Wall Street Journal
By Joey
October 17, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Thank you AJC/DNC Management.
For you who don’t have a calculator that means at least 26.5% of the Democrats sampled do not support Obama.
And since 650 is 42.7% of the total sample, some of the Democrats support the Mc/P ticket.
By ByteMe
October 17, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
The IBD poll seems flawed. The internals showed that in the 18-24 year old category, that McCain was leading 50-42%. Does that sound right to anyone?
In just the same fashion, I saw Lou Dobbs last night use the “Traditional” Gallup poll numbers, which only showed a 2-point margin. He dishonestly didn’t mention how the “Traditional” poll measures “likely” voters as being voters who have voted before. With millions of new voters this time around, does that sound like a poll methodology that you’d want to bet on?
Hey, Andy, placed your bet at intrade.com yet? Put your money where your mouth is if you think that McCain’s going to win. Good odds right now if you firmly believe your own crap. Not so good odds for an Obama bet, not enough payoff for the money.
By T
October 17, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
I will not count a win untill it happens. Remember the last election.
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
What you may want to keep in mind when evaluating Rove’s strategy for a McCain win is the prudent use of the railway system. Note how a so-called straight-talk express can make a clean sweep straight across the heartland, from sea to shining sea, while minimizing any disturbance of the already amber waves of loyal grain. Then, a quick southerly thrust, in the end, through the Virginias with stops along the way to praise the Cartwrights with songs by Loretta Lynn and viola, it’s in the bag for big John, Big Bad John, Ooooooohh, Ooohh.
I’m Jimmy Dean, and I approve this pork.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Hillary needs to know we support her and that we believe she is the person for the job, So in 4 years Hillary please be that person we need. If you the people want this country on the right track sign this and ever other petition that will fellow this one to urge her to run. HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT “BRING BACK HOPE”
She can’t win in 2012 with Oblahma in the way.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
that’s wonderful news about the SCOTUS decision.
Wonder if the GOP is still obsessed with nuts?
By CJ
October 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Something for the suggestion box:
Please consider a post on today’s news that a U.S. district judge decided to allow Secretary of State Handel continue to disenfranchise voters with foreign sounding names (e.g. Jose Morales) because, the judge asserts, having to prove one’s citizenship to the county clerk over and over again is a “temporary and minor inconvenience”.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
Bangor: Sarah Palin, Resplendent In Red, Excites Audience About Exploring Alternative Energy
You go girl!!
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
I never believe in Rover’s “The Math” — he’s been off his game since he got caught along with Scooter Libby telling lies about who leaked Valerie Plame’s name to the media.
I’m looking forward to some hearings in The Hague for the Bush administration in ‘09.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Midori
the were so obsessed with “nuts” the last time they illegally fired some US Attornies!!
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Wonder if the GOP is still obsessed with nuts?
Midori — Bwaaaa! And the answer is “yes” because they keep showing up here posting their wing-nut crapola. And they also have nutty dreams that America will put McSame in the White House for 4 more years of their crapola.
By getalife
October 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Joe the wingnut’s fifteen minutes are up like Palin:
So today, Joe, who said he makes much less than $250,000, reluctantly admitted Obama would lower his taxes.
“I would, if you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cuts,” Wurzelbacher said.
So, he is tossed under the bs express bus:
“Last night, Sarah Palin said she didn’t want to talk about Wurzelbacher. “I begged our speechwriters, ‘Don’t make me say Joe the Plumber, please, in any speeches,” she said. After failing to properly vet Wurzelbacher’s situation, the McCain campaign is apparently now throwing him overboard and moving on.”
Yes, lets move on from gop failed leadership Sarah.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
hehehehe
Mrs. G - could be because they are ALL nuts :)
link to the Supreme Court decision
By citizen
October 17, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
America has become a nation of consumers and not producers. In this service based jobs economy, it was just a matter of time before a sweet talking orator started promising a chicken in every pot and the masses fell for it.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla
A good point to keep in mind is that the case was not decided on the ‘merits’ but on standing: the Court ruled the GOP did not have the right, under law, to bring suit.
This is an example of ‘strict constructionism” - the opposite would have been for the Court to say “the GOP does not have standing,by law, but we think there’s a greater principle at play here - the integrity of the voting system, and we cite two Federal laws regarding the responsibility of states to verify registrants, so we hold for the GOP and instruct the Ohio Secretary of State to verify the registrants to prevent voter fraud.”
Good example to keep in mind next time you criticize ‘conservative’ justices.
Actually, I’m kinda looking forward to an Obama-Biden Administration. SNL and late night talkers’ll have more material than they know what to do with.
Link: Joe Biden and his four-letter words
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Goldie and Midori….Ladies….
I have news…..
I’m gonna’ be a Grannie next spring!!!!!
WAHOOO!
More important than ever to elect Obama.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
Then, a quick southerly thrust, in the end, through the Virginias with stops along the way
Taxpayer — I saw where one of the singers who shows up for McSame’s rallies these days (aside from the typical Lee Greenwood) is Hank Williams, Jr. And I do believe that Hank Sr. might be turning over in his grave at the sight of that.
By E
October 17, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
First, what Rove forgets to mention about the money Obama has raised is that, and here is the very important part, it is all from small money, individual donors, not special interests or corporations, the majority of it is from joe schmoe, you or I.
Second, the characterizations that Rove have put on Obama’s tax cut plan, and McCain’s new strategy, are just simply wrong. Anyone can see through that.
Bush (yes, he was president then, too), in 2004 may not have spent as much money as Kerry, but the sources for his money were often, well, downright questionable. Rove, who holds no elected office, seems to be accountable to no one (not even, as we have seen, a subpoena from the courts).
Finally, and most practically, electoral math. Obama must keep the states that are currently for him, and, of the states that are currently within the margin of error, he needs….1. Only 1 goes his way, and he breaks 270. McCain, on the other hand, needs ALL of the battleground states, plus he needs some of what Obama already has. I am sorry, Rove, but this will not happen.
Unless of course the GOP plans on ejecting everyone with a foreign sounding name from the voter rolls of every battleground state.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
The sweet-talking orator that I know is promising NEW green jobs for the NEW century… as opposed to John McAngry who thinks that the investment class is all that’s worth saving.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Mrs Godzilla
Congratulations! May I offer some unsolicited advice? Payback! Noisy, irritating toys make great gifts…
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G, Woo-Hoo! I believe you’ll be the smartest and best-looking granny the kid will ever know!
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Joe the plumber, R.I.P.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G —
CONGRATULATIONS
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
W’s bankrupting policies for America are coming home to roost:
How the Recession Could End the Iraq War
$200 BILLION more spent in 2008 alone, just to prop up an Iraqi gov’t that wants all foreign invaders OUT.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
Thanks y’all.
I don’t think anything has every made me this happy.
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G!
Just got back in from lunch. Congratulations! All grandmas should be like you!
That’s great news!
By Truth
October 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G… I dont even have kids yet, but I can say that the most precious woman ever in my life was my grandmother. There is a unique and special bond between grandmother and grandchild and I wish the best for you and the baby.
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Oh, I hope Coli Powell endorses Obama this weekend. That will really give him a boost.
Powell is another one of my heroes.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
A couple of interesting things I heard today :
1) How do you make the poor rich by making the rich poor?
2) The mainstream media was able to learn more about “Joe the Plumber” in 24 hours than they have bothered to learn about “Lord Obama” in two years.
3) “Joe the Plumber” is really Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. “Lord Obama” is really Barack Hussein Obama.
Wurzelbacher seems to have no problem using his Jewish middle name “Joseph” (meaning God increases). Obama has a problem using his Arabic middle name “Hussein” (meaning good looking little boy). Hummmm ………
4) TIME TO SPREAD YOUR WEATLTH
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Make that Colin Powell, not Coli Powell.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this
Thanks Bosch and Truth….
I can’t wait to tell my Dad - 27 grandkids and now the 11th great grandchild.
la la la la la la
By T
October 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Goldie
Thanks for the creepy article. I thought that war was supposed to end a recession, not the other way around.
Does anyone know what “victory” in Iraq really means?
How do you make people like each other?
By Zach
October 17, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
1) How do you make the poor rich by making the rich richer? *Hasn’t worked yet..
2) Joe the plumber is a shill.
3) What’s wrong with the name Hussein? No, really?
4) Right on! Are you retarded, or do you really think he’s related to Saddam Hussein?
By Midori
October 17, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
that only proves that you are as deluded and ignorant as those that you run with.
what do you guys do, sit around and shovel b.s. to one another, trying to see who could top who?
By RealityKing
October 17, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Gore led Bush by 6% at this time in 2000, even with less undecideds.
Seems to me that democrats are the ones hung up on Obama. I know several that are not going to vote for him, clear thinking educated people(I thought), “afraid to”. Hillary’s supporters of course, Pumas’, Zumas’, whatever. But whether it be race or just pure political hatred, there’s a big divide there. I know I wouldn’t want to be the next president. Most assuredly.., the worse ever.
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
Here’s a riddle for you, Grunt Corporal: What!
By T
October 17, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla
I can’t wait to tell my Dad - 27 grandkids and now the 11th great grandchild.
That would make an awesome panoramic picture.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
To Zach
You lost me on #4 ………. of course he is NOT related to Saddam Hussein. That wasn’t the point.
What was yours ?
TIME TO SPREAD THE WEALTH !
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Bosch
October 17, 2008 1:41 PM
Think he’s feeling any remorse for his part in getting the dastardly duo elected?
He spoke at a motivational seminar at my wife’s old company. She was very impressed.
By John "Hussein" Doe
October 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
Barack and Hussein are both Semitic names.
How many people go around using their middle names?
John “Hussein” Doe
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
TN Gelding,
Maybe this is how he will be able to look at himself in the mirror again, and sleep better at night.
Just a thought.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
And I believe America still very much admires one of our few remaining allies in the Middle East: King Hussein of Jordan.
So Hussein is an honorable name and I read that it is interpreted as “handsome” — how appropriate!
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
But of course, last night at the charity dinner in NY, Obama stated that he was “given the name Hussein by someone who never thought I would run for President one day!”
Bada boom.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
Peggy Noonan has had another nervous breakdown and one of the WSJ readers sums it up very well:
If any of you NY/Eastern elitists were honest enough to compare Obama’s (or Biden’s) accomplishments, side-by-side, with Sarah Palin’s, it would be abundantly obvious who should be the CEO in that comparison: Taking on the USA’s largest oil company - and winning; taking on her own corrupt political party - and winning; getting a very strong ethics reform bill passed thru the state legislature - with strong bipartisan support; taking on a failed pipeline project, correcting it, getting it passed - another huge win (The Largest Public Works Project in U.S. History !?! - and she gets no credit from you whiners?!); re-energizing a faltering national political campaign………all in 20 months?
I think of it this way; Peggy Noonan would be out of place in the Heartland of America just the same as if she landed on the surface of Mars.
She is a Washington elitist, same as any other empty suit like Hair Plugs or Hairy Reed, and boy, what “wonders” they have worked on our country.
I say we give Americans a chance to govern America, and throw these creatures of DC out on their as-ses.
Right along with Peggy Noonan.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
To John “Hussein” Doe
I tried, but you still miss the point. Have a nice day ………….
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Bosch — I admit that I’ve held a grudge against Colin Powell ever since he gave that bad Dog-n-Pony show at the U.N. in 2002, with those “satellite images” for show… but then after reading some accounts about how he was “forced” into doing that by Bush and Cheney, I have a small bit of sympathy for the position he was in.
Powell should have resigned before he did, and because he didn’t, he now has a last chance to forever sever his ties to Bush and his stinking administration, by endorsing the next president elected by the majority of the Electoral College: Barack Obama!
By E
October 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla,
Congratulations!
I’m hoping to experience that some day. Right now, I just have two granddogs, but I love those little critters.
Yes, we definitely need to elect Obama.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
T @ 1:50 — it’s interesting that John McAngry’s hero, General Petraeus, says he will never use the word “victory” in describing the occupation of Iraq. He’s definitely the brighter bulb of the two.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Peggy Noonan has had another nervous breakdown
seems to me that you guys are soul mates.
By John "Hussein" Doe
October 17, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
You don’t have a point, just as your GOP campaign has no compelling or valid arguments against Barack Hussein Obama.
If you did, you wouldn’t be using character assassination tactics.
By getalife
October 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Funny how the right eat their own when they wrote dissenting opinions.
Being a dittohead is a must for our friends on the right but real Americans enjoy the difference of opinions.
It is called debate whackjobs
Geez.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
E
Thanks
I am going to have to break it to my grand-dog myself…..he’ll probably be a little resentful, but a meaty bone should solve that problem.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
To John “Hussein” Doe
You mean like when John Lewis called John McCain another George Wallace ?
That kind of tactic ?
By Midori
October 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Goldie @ 2:13 - I felt/feel the exact same way.
All respect I had for him flew out the window after that sorry spectacle before the UN.
He was lying, and he knew it. complete with that stupid cartoon drawings, and “dramatic” vials of anthrax.
An honorable man would have resigned.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Duhzilla: I’ve let plenty enough time pass since you announced another arrival into your already large family, congratulations by the way, but I must say I am surprised that your fellow liberals haven’t screamed at you, yet, that you are killing the environment, how could you let that baby live in such a horrible country, called you and yours “trailer park trash” or even accusied your dad of being the father.
You should be thankful you aren’t a Republican.
By Analchemy
October 17, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
It all started with the Swallows of Capistrano. Then, it was Bookman’s Libyan Parrots.
But now, it’s McCain’s Magpies! Whose that creature in the Munsters, or the Adam’s Family? Didn’t the hag from McCain’s townmeeting look exactly like that? Turns out that the woman isn’t legally a blonde, and she owes back dues to Jenny Craig.
bwa haw
By Paul
October 17, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Goldie
You mentioned the Al Smith Charity Event in Manhattan last night. Both candidates spoke - anyone who doubts that either of these candidates are not decent, honorable men should watch the clips and see how they act towards one another.
There’s a video screen at the top right when you follow the link. Above the screen are five smaller screens. The second from the left activates Sen McCain’s speech, the one in the middle activates Sen Obama’s speech. I’d recommend McCain first followed by Obama, as that’s the order in which they spoke and it makes some of the remarks more understandable.
Link: Sen McCain and Sen Obama at the Al Smith Charity Dinner
And I have to ask, all you out there who made so much fun of Gov Huckabee when he made religious references, please hold off on Sen Obama for doing the same.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 17, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
Duh,
Thanks….
By GOPs got to go
October 17, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
Congrats Mrs G.
I can not wait to have grandkids. Not for a good long while though, education first.
Well, making the rich richer sure has made the poor poorer.
Do not forget that the Corporal has been one of the taxpayers employees his entire career. We are the reason he has any wealth to redistribute at all.
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I watched in absolute shock when Powell spoke before the U.N. in 2002. I really admired and respected him before 2000, and was absolutely dumbstruck that he took the position in the first place.
I’ve heard him in interviews many times, and I can forgive him for what he did. I think he was out of the loop in the first place, and was given false information by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. They knew that people respected Powell, and would believe him, so let him do their dirty work. I think he knows that he was duped and made a puppet, but has too much class to come out publically and say it(i.e. Scott McClellan style).
I know that sounds a little conspiracy theorist, but I truly believe that. I will believe to my dying day, that this whole war was a war for profit only, and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse totally underestimated the political situation in the ME, or rather were too arrogant and dumb to figure it out, and the whole thing blew up in their face.
I have no intention of seeing W. in the theaters, but there is a line I’ve seen in the trailers - the one where someone asks Cheney, “What’s the exit strategy in Iraq” to which he replies “There isn’t one.”
They never intended to leave - they wanted Iraq to become the next U.S. protectorate for it’s oil revenues.
Idiots.
Mrs. G.
I think Joe will be fine. You might want to make him BBQ porkchops a little more often or scratch his ears a few more times. :-)
By mm
October 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
I heard the GOP was changing it’s name to the POS.
By E
October 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
From msnbc.com:
Palin Loses Bid To Block Beluga Whale Protection
I’m so relieved!
Idiot Palin.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Skeptic Tank
October 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
The Washington Post just gave its endorsement to none other than Barrack Obama.
And for those of you who don’t know, the WaPo has gone way over to the right side of the aisle for several years now.
“But the stress of a campaign can reveal some essential truths, and the picture of Mr. McCain that emerged this year is far from reassuring. To pass his party’s tax-cut litmus test, he jettisoned his commitment to balanced budgets. He hasn’t come up with a coherent agenda, and at times he has seemed rash and impulsive. And we find no way to square his professed passion for America’s national security with his choice of a running mate who, no matter what her other strengths, is not prepared to be commander in chief.”
Yeah. That’s what we think too.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Paul — I did see that charity event last night live on CNN, and it was fabulous! From both sides! And whoever was writing McSame’s material needs to give him more of that to use in his rallies… it would make him look less agitated and spooky all the time.
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Midori,
The way I look at it, he did resign, in 2004.
By Analchemy
October 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Wrong, Bosch. With just a little more info you or I could have known how weak and stupid that intel was. Powell certainly knew.
Think about how dumb the whole presentation was. Powell pointed to a satellite photo and asked, “Ist das nicht ein rocket tube”? and his aides all answered in unison, “Ya! Das ist ein Rocket Tube.”
“Ist das nicht Ein Anthrax Bomb?” Yah! Das ist ein anthrax bomb.
We were all grieving. We thought the brass was taking care of business. We trusted.
Never again. Be cynical. Question everyone and everything. In politics, and in life.
never again. Like Joe the plumber aint a legal plumber and he owes back taxes. Even that little vignette of the campaign is bogus. Ditto the little old lady from John’s Townmeeting. She’s not a legal blonde and she owes back dues to Jenny Craig.
Obama 08: Never Again.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
I will believe to my dying day, that this whole war was a war for profit only,
Bosch— remember, even John McSame made the statement this year that he didn’t want to send anymore troops overseas in the future to fight for OIL. Sometimes he lets slip some real truth for a change.
By Truth
October 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Bosch… I can see how you might think that, but didnt almost every intelligence agency in the world think that Saddam had WMD? Either way, I agree that Powell is great man and he is one of my heroes as well.
By hillbilly ragger
October 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Woo hoo, Mrs. G! Congratulations! I should live so long and be so blessed as to be able to call myself “gramps.” (Not that I’m in any hurry.)
Corporal, just a point of fact: you don’t “make the rich poor” by hiking their taxes a piddling 3%. Actually, that income group did rather well for themselves under Clinton, who had their rates at the same place Obama’s proposing.
Also do keep in mind there’s this big, powerful legislative body called “Congress” that has a say in these matters? And it’ll be debated and whatnot?
It’s going to be ok. You’ll see. Obama seems like the sort of bloke who actually cares about all Americans, not just the people who’ll vote for him.
By SwedeAtlanta
October 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Goldie, didn’t you understand that the tradition of the Al Smith charity dinner is comedy and humor and that speakers, especially those running for office, are supposed to make fun of themselves?
He just acknowledged that his middle name which, in certain cultures is as common as Joseph or Stephen, etc. is in ours, has led to comments and inappropriate allegations during this cycle. Clearly if he had his druthers he would prefer his middle name was Joseph so to keep the focus on real issues and not grasping at straws ones like this.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Future news flash…Year 2010…President Obama announces record jobs lost and 40% unemployment. Unions have taken over the work place. Businesses in increasing numbers are moving to other countries. But, on a good note, Welfare recepiants in record numbers are buying houses and new cars and lottery sales have skyrocketed. Meanwhile, Wall Street has closed its doors, the elderly have lost all of their savings which was spread accordingly among the needy, Isreal was hit with a nuclear bomb, and your wait time to have emergency surgery for breast cancer is down to 5 months. Thank you for voting for me.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
all you out there who made so much fun of Gov Huckabee when he made religious references, please hold off on Sen Obama for doing the same.
Paul — have you ever heard Obama state that he wants to see our laws changed to coincide with Biblical law? If so, please provide that link for everyone to read. Thanks.
In the meantime, here’s just one link of what Huckabuck proposes should he ever be prez:
At a public forum on the eve of the Michigan primary, while mocking Republican opponents who don’t want to append a “marriage amendment” or a “life amendment” to the Constitution, he said: “I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards.”
I fear, Paul, that you’re once again attempting to compare apples with oranges…
By Paul
October 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Bosch - Goldie
And as has been noted - no matter who wins, they will institute a program to provide us the means to cut our oil trade with the Middle East.
Same with Guantanamo - agreement.
Same with carbon emissions.
Same with treatment of enemy combatants.
Pretty much the same with military presence in Middle East until we don’t need their oil.
I can’t think of another election within the memory of anyone on this blog in which both candidates were in essential agreement on so many issues.
And for issues not listed, for many of them, there is agreement that there is a problem to be addressed, even though they disagree with how to address it.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
When will non thinking people understand the rich got rich because they worked their tails off, invested their time and money wisely, and didn’t look for handouts. The poor get poorer because they are lazy, have no work ethic and never will. You can give a poor person half a million dollars and they will be broke and poor again in a year. It will never change. The smart get smarter, The lazy get lazier, especially when they can have it given to them….Get a clue people. See through your blindness.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
Truth @ 2:52 — not every intel agency believed that, and even if some did, they did not advise that Saddam was an “imminent threat” to the world and therefore “regime change” had to be performed… the general consensus was that he had been knee-capped and contained.
Remember we also suspected that North Korea and Iran had WMD, as well as some regimes in Africa, but there was never any attempt to conflate that speculation with pre-emptive bombing and invading of those countries.
So, the urgency of the Bush administration to invade Iraq was due to what?
By SwedeAtlanta
October 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
Matt, if I was a person given to hallucinations I would ask you to share whatever you are on. Personally I think you just need a good long bio break or need to stop by your local pharmacy and pick up some cleansing treatment.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
“Ist das nicht ein rocket tube”? and his aides all answered in unison, “Ya! Das ist ein Rocket Tube.”
Analchemy — Bada Boom!
By getalife
October 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Well Matt,
w’s new socialism for the rich debunks your argument.
Letterman Busts McCain On His Ties To G. Gordon Liddy
Thanks Dave.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 3:00 — Agreed.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Goldie 2:58
There were many comments from the ‘Left’ deriding him for making religious references, period. It was that to which I was referring.
By Analchemy
October 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
The big picture look at oil and Iraq shows that China aligned with Iran and thus W felt compelled to grab Iraq.
But China is everywhere making real deals for oil. they’re building a huge navy.
China called. They want Taiwan back.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Example of poor. Poor less fortunate family in Atlanta gets a new home from Extreme Home Makeover. No mortgage, no utilities, no property tax to pay. What did they do? They went and mortgaged the house, blew the money, the house was forclosed on and they are right back where they started. Facts are facts. I know, it’s hard to swallow.
By Truth
October 17, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Goldie @ 3:05… You have to admit Saddam was playing games with the UN sanctions. I am not convinced they didnt move some WMDs to another country. We did find a small amount of mustard gas after we went in and even some of the Iraqi military were waiting on Saddam to use WMDs. I just dont think there was any way of saying that Bush KNEW there were no WMDs…
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
The poor get poorer because they are lazy, have no work ethic and never will.
Wow, Matt — you’re not very judgmental of people you don’t know, are you?
By Shawny
October 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
The only poll that counts is the final one on Nov 4th. If you are watching these ‘random’ samples, you are wasting time.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
I just dont think there was any way of saying that Bush KNEW there were no WMDs…
Truth @ 3:18 — I never stated that “Bush KNEW there were no WMDs…” I stated that most everyone besides Bush and Tony Blair chose not to conflate the imminent threat message with Saddam Hussein. Read my post again. I stated that “the general consensus was that he had been knee-capped and contained.”
So why do you think Bush decided to push the “imminent threat” message when no one else wanted to?
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Goldie, I am self employed, I have no insurance, I am a landscaper, Because of drought conditions I have been struggeling to make ends meet but I do not take any government handouts. If I need medical care I go to hands of hope. I refuse to allow the government to hold a gun to someone else and take their money so I can buy more stuff. If I want something bad enough I do what it takes to find the work and I get the money. I do know I am far from being comfortable and at times, Bologna sandwiches are good.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Poor less fortunate family in Atlanta gets a new home from Extreme Home Makeover. No mortgage, no utilities, no property tax to pay.
Matt @ 3:15 — and you’re using that case to justify your hatred for all poor people? “Facts are facts…” — this you base on the terrible example from Extreme Home Makeover, and you condemn all poor people as being “lazy” and having “no work ethic and they never will”???
My, you are one sad, sick person.
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Thank you, Matt. Given the notable lack of comments this afternoon from Dusty, I found myself in search of a substitute for her original form of humor. I need look no farther. It’s analogous to SNL before versus after the arrival of Sarah. Do you know what I mean.
By West
October 17, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
DROP PALIN & BRING IN ROMNEY thats what a real maverick would do if they wanted to win the election. ITS NOT TO LATE
By ButtHead
October 17, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
It is so funny that the dimocrats will do anything to keep a segment of the population down and out. It is their voter base. It is a free country if you work hard you will succeed if you want a free hand out vote Nobama… What happened to America? Sold to the lowest bidder. Why would anybody spend 500 billion for a $400,000 dollar job? Only a dimacrat could justify that. Vote out ALL incumbents, put in independents…That is the change we need, Obama is the same old bull$hit.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
TIME TO SPREAD “YOUR” WEALTH !
By Truth
October 17, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Goldie @ 3:26… Are you trying to pick a fight with me or what? lol…
By E
October 17, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Matt at 3:04,
You need to be taken out back behind the woodshed and treated to a good old fashioned @ss whupping.
The solution to poverty in this country is simple: Make sure every one who is able to work has a job that pays enough to live on and save a little for retirement, but corporations won’t go for that because they’re not willing for their bottom line to be cut in to.
Also this solution would destroy their false feeling of superiority.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Goldie, I do not hate ALL poor people. Some are very generous kind hearted and with very good character. My comments were inflamatory remarks to B. Obama’s wanting to spread the wealth.
By John "Hussein" Doe
October 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
John McCain and Sarah Palin will lose, and President Barack Obama will lead our country back towards a semblance of what we used to be, proud, ethical, and fruitful.
By HMMMMM
October 17, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Matt, give it up man! These libs are way to SMART for that kind of LOGIC! I think they truly believe that everything should be given to them by government! It’s mind boggling, but that seems to be the rational behind a vote for Obama. I still believe that we will see over whelming ground swell from middle America, southern America, and from typically conservative types that DO NOT want to see a SOCIALIST in office. Remember that Kerry had a double digit lead on Bush, and of course the election was stolen away from the libs….haha. Time will tell! I have a firm belief that America is NOT ready for a SOCIALIST…..
By Keep it real!
October 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
Matt their are plenty of Americans of Both parties who are workking 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.
But the notion that rich people make this country is very foolish! When a company goes in the toilet what happens!
By saywhat?
October 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Hey matt, are you like “w”, born on 3rd base and thinking you hit a triple? I would put the work ethic of a $10-12/hour landscape worker up against a wall street stock broker any day.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
To John 3:41. Great minds think alike. That’s why Russia did so well under a marxist socialist regime. My, I can’t wait to see that.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
ButtHead @ 3:34 — your blog name says it all. Thanks for posting.
By HMMMMM
October 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
E
ARE YOU KIDDING! What are you taking…. With a comment like that, YOU just need to go get some help! Of course you may be a young kid who has NO clue… For the life of me…. Well, I will say this, I always get a GOOD laugh from the commenting libs, no matter how ABSURD!
By Matt
October 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Too true HMMMMM. Acorn is going to make it tough though.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Truth — I’m not really a fighter, as they say; I’m a lover. And I do ask a lot of questions…
By Paul
October 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
E 3:37
[[The solution to poverty in this country is simple: Make sure every one who is able to work has a job that pays enough to live on and save a little for retirement, but corporations won’t go for that because they’re not willing for their bottom line to be cut in to.]]
I know, it sounds good. Nice sentiment and all that,
I read a while back that a worker would need $15 an hour to afford an apartment. Not buy a home, just live in an apt. Which is why so many people who work low-paying jobs have roommates. Varies by region. But 15 an hour times a standard workyear of 2080 hours is $31,200 a year. But we need to save for retirement - say 15 percent of gross, so that takes it to $35,880 a year. Which equates to $17.25 an hour.
So every time you go to a fast food restaurant, or regular restaurant and see the guys cooking; or go to the cleaners and see the people working; or hire Matt and his landscaping crew; or preuse the jobs open in your local community; or the person who works at the AJC cleaning up at night or delivering papers; each and every one of them will have to offer starting pay of at least $17.25 to let the person have an apartment and save a little for retirement.
It has nothing to do with corporate greed. It has to do with a lot of small (and medium and large) business owners with customers who no way in whatever will pay the prices to carry workers at a minimum wage of $17.25 an hour.
Reality trumps theory.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 3:12 — do you agree that Huckabee went a little overboard with his God zeal?
By Paul
October 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
Goldie
[[Truth — I’m not really a fighter, as they say; I’m a lover. And I do ask a lot of questions…]]
Like, “When was the last time you were tested?”
Sorry…. kinda…. it’s Friday…
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Matt @ 3:30 — I do believe you when you say you are struggling and I’m real sorry to hear about that. I have some friends who have been looking for work this year and are suffering, too… it’s not a good situation in America right now. That’s why we need something else besides the same ole “trickled-on” theories that don’t create jobs for enough Americans. It just makes the wealthy even wealthier.
Also, you may want to know that I come from a very less-than-wealthy background myself, and I’ve been very fortunate that I had a family to encourage me to get educated and take of myself. I’m still not a wealthy person financially, but I’m doing OK compared to many others in America. I was fortunate that I had a support system to get me through, and I try not to judge what other poor people are facing in their own lives.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Goldie
[[Truth — I’m not really a fighter, as they say; I’m a lover. And I do ask a lot of questions…]]
Like, “When was the last time you were tested?”
Sorry…. kinda…. it’s Friday…
your 3:57
Oh yeah. Which is why I wouldn’t have voted for him. Faith is great. Trying to live one’s life by a set of religious principles is great. Tying in general moral principles (don’t kill, steal, etc) is fine, too. But when it goes past live and let live I draw the line.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Some are very generous kind hearted and with very good character.
Matt— that definitely conflicts with your original post about the poor, don’t you agree? Also, the generous, kind-hearted and those with good character are the ones who will do well when we have Obama for our next prez.
By Abomi Nation
October 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
“Matt the Landscaper”
This all seems strangely familiar.
Hey Matt, do you make over 250k a year? If so the McCain team has an opening you may want to consider. Poor Joe the Plumber was fired today.
By Truth
October 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Goldie… I should have asked if you were pickin’ on me instead. My bad. And according to my wife, I think I am fighter, but she says that is just the hard outter shell and I am a lover with the biggest heart on the inside. I am sure some of yall disagree….
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 4:04 — why, I’ve been tested fairly recently. I appreciate your concern.
Also, when Huckabee started talking about making God’s law into our Constitutional laws, I kept wondering which of God’s laws in particular he had in mind? Like stoning women in the town square if they were unmarried… and, you know how that line of thinking goes.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Abomi @ 4:08 — another Bada Boom!
Gosh, we Dems are so creative and talented, don’t you agree? Oh, and humble, too, of course!
:>))
By T
October 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Paul
Interesting.
So, would it be fair to say that a way to battle poverty would be through education? Then would a person earning $35,880 a year be able to afford college for their children? Maybe if they opt not to eat for a few years. Would making education available (for those that want it and work for it) be a bad thing?
Or should the lower income families just realize their doom and the silver bullet retirement fund they now have.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Truth @ 4:08 — no, I think I’m starting to see a little bit of that lover flowering inside you today.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Goldie 4:10
I meant that’s the question you should ask others…
Yeah, I know. Ran into it on another blog - someone started out with one thing, someone countered with the stoning thing, I wrote that was only applicable if one were an Orthodox Jew. Or bringing in the Koran, very conservative Muslim. Suggested they take a religious history course and note the differences between an historical record and a current commandment for living.
But it keeps popping back up. Like I said, live and let live. So if they want to stone themselves I have no objection…
By Matt
October 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Goldie 3:57. Those poor that are kind and generous people don’t want the handouts. They are happy like they are. But if given to them, they will do something with it like help someone else. It’s the poor that expect tthat they have a right to be given what they want just because they live in the USA. Those are the ones that will vote for the president that will give it to them and will squander it away and expect more.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 3:56 — living in the wealthiest and most creative country called America, I know we can do better. There’s no reason that we have to tolerate allowing some people to be homeless and hungry because they can’t afford food and housing in our economy! C’mon, Dude — where’s your American spirit?
By getalife
October 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
PALIN: I LOVE VISITING “PRO-AMERICA AREAS OF THIS GREAT NATION” .
She just dissed you Ga. because she was in NC.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
T
No easy answers here. For every example one can counter with a “but what about…”
Goldie hit on a key element of success - a support system. For some it’s family. For others, church. For others it’s a benevolent association. For some, it’s certain government programs.
I do think education is key, which is why I’m so disenchanted with our current system. My ongoing question: take any kid with a high school diploma and just what are they qualified to do to earn a sustaining living? I just got done (I usually don’t get personal but it ties in) helping a person get a commercial driving license. By ‘help’ I mean pay for tuition, room and board. Person had bettered themselves with a GED, went to a local institution and got the diploma, but it wasn’t nearly enough. I was able to help, the person had a good attitude, they’ll be on their way to a decent life.
Is there any reason schools couldn’t do this sort of thing, rather than four years math and science and three years language for everyone?
Rule of thumb: no matter how much you make, you can always find a way to spend more. But if you go through the ‘system’ (school) and aren’t an addict and have a decent work ethic, I kinda think the ‘system’ ought to provide the opportunities for a good life.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Matt @ 4:17 — I believe everyone wants any opportunity to better themselves, such as help with educational funds, food that’s healthy for their children, etc. And how do you know that poor people are “happy like they are”? That sounds like something your dad taught you many years ago because he himself wanted to believe that, too.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 4:16 — I believe that God’s law as stated in the Bible is mostly about being an Orthodox Jew, correct? Hence, stonings and burnings because of some mythical law being broken.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
American spirit??? Isn’t the american dream, WORKING FOR YOUR DREAM AND GETTING IT? Not sitting back and voting to have someone else give it to you.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 4:16 — oh, I thought you meant when was I last tested as being a lover. LOL!
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
getalife @ 4:24 — and it’s really too bad that Sarah has all those ties to the Alaska Independence Party and John Birch Society… otherwise, we could almost believe her bloviations about “Pro-America areas”.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
Rule of thumb: no matter how much you make, you can always find a way to spend more.
Paul— Amen, Brethren… and with energy prices these days, we’re always spending more than we can afford!
By Paul
October 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Goldie 4:27
That’s my understanding. Old Testament referred to “The Law” pointing the way to the coming Christ. Lots of rules and regulations, many symbolic, many penalties and such. New Testament: advent of Jesus, said The Law is fulfilled in Him. Don’t worry about that old stuff. Source of controversy in early church, Jerusalem Conference, Paul confronting Peter and other leaders requiring adherence to Jewish practices. Established it wasn’t necessary any longer. Much of the Pauline letters deal with that.
But people love to pull stuff out of context.
By T
October 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Paul
I agree. There should be more trade schools. I also think that some of that math requirement starting in grade school should be geared towards personal finance. Wouldn’t that be nice.
I really like Obama’s plan for school money for service. Not a handout when you work for it. Not everyone has a Paul.
Oh, thanks for helping your neighbor, not everyone will.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
Not sitting back and voting to have someone else give it to you.
Matt— that doesn’t describe me or any of my Dem friends… we all work hard to make our lives better, and we believe others should have some of the same opportunities we have all been blessed with in our lives. There’s no “handouts” being promised to anyone— just opportunities to grow the economy in such a way that everyone has a chance to succeed with work or school. Basic needs, Dude.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
TIME TO SPREAD “YOUR” WEALTH !
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe’s driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I’m glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.
The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.-John McCain
I’m AJC/DNC Management and I approve that message.
bwa
By Paul
October 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
T
I went to an early Obama rally, huge convention center filled to the rafters. Many of the regulars here know this.
He was going on down a list of “here’s what we’re going to do.” Audience was going nuts, clapping and cheering. Obama made reference to providing money for college. Lots of cheers. Then he grinned, looked around and said “There’s not something for nothing. You want the money for college, you’re going to give back. Years of community service.”
Got real quiet, real fast. Then some applause. Some. He kept smiling. That’s when I knew we were dealing with someone a bit different than what we’d had in the past.
By SaveOurRepublic
October 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Goldie @ 4:33 PM - While I don’t know much about the AIP, the John Birch Society is more (really) patriotic and supportive of our Constitution that 95-98% of the Globalist pawns on “Crapitol sHill”! If you think Neocons like RINO “Juan McAmnasty” are true conservatives, then you don’t understand the concept of conservatism! The JBS supports full adherence to the Constitution and its precepts, which is a far cry from the Machiavellian Neocon controlled GOP we now have! The GOP & DNC “leadership” are two sides of the same (Globalist Elite controlled) coin!!!
http://www.jbs.org
By Matt
October 17, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
America does need big change. A culture change in different environments could be a start. I did come from a poor family but they did what they had to do to support the family. It was all done and taught that honesty is the best life to live. America has become too dream wanting. I dream of no crime but that’s not logical. I dream of peace, of a neutral governmant, that is SO not logical. Liberals have become so power hungry they are willing to destroy America and place blame to achieve it.
The democrats in the house and congress have had control fo two years and this country has fallen into disrepair since then. The republicans had control before that and all they could do is spend like the democrats. Where are the Joe Leibermans. Men willing to be banished for standing their ground and not vote on party lines. John McCain and Sarah Palin have repeatedly bucked against their own party to try to get things right. Obama and not so much Biden have voted on all party lines no matter how ridicculous the vote was. Never once did Obama vote against his party. What Nancy goes and he’s down with that. I want a REAL self thinker to run this country and not a “well my party wants it so I will vote for it” president. GET SOME CHARACTER AND DON’T BE A ROBOT”!!!! Forget about power or who is in charge. Just have the nads to say when something is right or wrong gosh darnit!
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Bosch
October 17, 2008 2:02 PM
Let’s hope so.
If only he had run in Y2K as a Democrat or had endorsed Gore. Consider the possibilities. How he could have aligned himself with someone so obviously unqualified and incompetent is mind boggling.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
No matter what side of the aisle you’re on, you have to admit that this is the funniest damn performance we have seen all election season, my goodness:
John McCain Brings Down The House - Al Smith Dinner Part 1
Part Two
By JW
October 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
Boy, it sure doesn’t take long for some of you guys to turn on people. How canyou still love “W” and hate Powell? Some of you really have a problem with people of color. Nevertheless, it will be the enlightened white majority that will elect Obama. They saw something in the man even before Blacks embraced him. I will forever be indebted to the people of Iowa, Montana, and all those states with very few Blacks, who got this thing going.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Liberals have become so power hungry they are willing to destroy America and place blame to achieve it.
Wrong again, Matt… you fail to see a bigger picture beyond “blame liberals” for the disaster we’ve been living through for 8 years. Your guy has been in the White House setting policy direction and being “power hungry” as you like to call it. Look in the mirror at yourself and see what your responsibility is for turning a blind eye to your guy W and his quest for “power” or dealing with whatever personal devils he was trying to conquer… so sad, and your guy W has allowed America to be torned apart by having “red states” trying to beat “blue states”. That’s your and your guy’s legacy — division between Americans that may take generations to heal.
Time for a radical change away from more of the McSame, or else America WILL be destroyed for many years to come.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Paul @ 4:50 — it’s good to remind a lot of Americans that Obama is not promising any free lunches. Everyone will have to work hard to make positive changes and get America back on the right track again.
By Keep it real!
October 17, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
This has got to be the funnies presidential election of all-time.
We have a presidential candidate talking about a Joe the plumber who does not possess a plumber license,nor a business license, nor possess a business plan to buy a shoestring and owes the state of OHIO $1200 in property taxes.
Joe does not owe the Federal Government taxes but he owes the state he lives in and works in as apprentice plumber.But a tax cut on his $10 dollar an hour job will not help him!
I see Joe did not spend his stimulus check to pay his tax bill! A great America wants free service and does not want to pay for it!
Now Joe gets major headlines for telling the Democratic president he is going to buy a business and the tax increase the Democratic candidate proposes is going to hurt his chances to get the business.
You know what JOE really wants is to have his boss say Joe you are such a good worker I am going to give you the business and you do not have to pay me anything!
Since when can someone straight out lie and get people to like him? Oh Governor Palin did the same!
Their is a pattern here, as a conservative REPUBLICAN you are allow to lie,cheat,steal and we will still support you!
I am going to run for office as a REPUBLICAN next year because it is the best job in the world!
By Matt
October 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
My guy W my guy W. He is not my guy. I voted Libertarian in the last election. W became too much of a big gov’t and spend president. I have not agreed with him in several years. All the dems have to say about someone against obama is that they love W or are racist. It is John Kerrys (the poodle) legacy to divide the red and blue and Gore’s recount the chads that has divided americans. So don’t call W, my guy. and if Oblasphemy gets in there, you will see radical change that will never be able to be repaired. You can count on that…
By spankmonkey
October 17, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
Man, you all have it wrong… Even if you offer good wages to american workers, you still can’t get a decent day’s work out of them. Between the incessant cell phone calls and personal appointments, it’s hard to get a good white/black american to get in a good 4-6 hour workday much less 8, and the work ethic seems to be “why do twice as much in half the time, when you can do half as much in twice the time?”…
This is why Mexican labor is so desirable to american contractors. Hell ask any contractor you come across, I pay mexican labor as much or more, because they show up on time, work thier tails off, and stay til the works done. YOU WILL NOT GET THAT FROM AN AMERICAN WORKER… white or black. And if you do, HANG ONTO THAT INDIVIDUAL no matter what it takes… (and I actually pay well….)
By CommunistAJC
October 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
Goldie, Can you please take Bill Clintons shlong out of your throat? Your choking!
By Bosch
October 17, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
Had to teach a class - I know, I know, you wingnuts are scared to death:
Bosch teaching people. About something really hard too!
I know I just left myself open, please show some restraint. You know I’m one of the few who can make fun of myself.
Anywho, I see the topic of Powell drifted off, then TN came back.
TN,
Again with Powell, I’ve had to really think about this at times, and I guess it boils down to the fact that what I consider an imminent threat would be the WMDs either on the launching pad or on their way to delivery.
I’ve gone over this before. I know Saddam talks big, hell, all those guys do, but Saddam wasn’t stupid, especially stupid enough to attack the U.S. on our own soil. Our soldiers? Definitely, especially when we invaded his country, but here? No. He’s just wasn’t that crazy, and having our soldiers over there gives the ones who are that crazy more the opportunity to carry out their plans of wiping out the Infidel. Take away their targets, not so easy to do. But what do I know?
OBL is that crazy, obviously, but he’s not head of a country, he’s head of an idea. He can never show his face again, and that’s fine. People give AQ way too much credit. Sure they have the capacity of carryout heinous acts against humanity, but in short spurts, and the more they do it, the less support they get.
The wingnut definition of imminent threat is in 10 years they MIGHT make them, send them halfway around the world, without anyone noticing, get past all security measures in place, and attack us. That’s alot of IFs if you ask me, and I have confidence that our military and security forces can take care of all those IFs, you know if they were here.
With Powell, you have to remember, he’s a career military man, and as most military men, he was following his commander and not asking questions. That wasn’t his job. He was the PERFECT set up. Everyone loved him, he is well respected, he doesn’t question his commander, and he is classy enough not to go public if he finds something out.
Okay, that’s my manifest for the day.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 2:09 PM
Ah, but she could wax eloquently for days about the late, great Ronald Wilson Reagan.
She’ll get back into good standing when she writes about him again.
I’ve gained new respect for him since reading some of his quotes about war.
Ronald Reagan History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
*Peace is not absence of conflict, it is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means. Ronald Reagan
A people free to choose will always choose peace. Ronald Reagan
The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor. Ronald Reagan
Dwight D. Eisenhower Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people. Ron Paul
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
Ooh, looks like some folks here near to get started with their Happy Hour.
By JohnnyReb
October 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this
SpankyMonkey - I don’t know who the h-ll you’re referring to son! My crews and drivers are all real Americans & put out 8-10 hours+ (whatever is required). You must be staffing your outfit from South Fulton or something! I don’t hire border-jumpers…never have & never will. Only good, hardworking (legit) Americans. My crews will outwork any illegal invader outfit & I also pay well! Sounds like you’re a pro-amnesty, open borders fella!
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Not only does Obama intend for the Death Tax to return in time for the passing of the Greatest Generation —spreading their wealth from their grandchildren to the tax coffers of the state— Obama also intends to spread the fruits of long labors far and wide.
But Joe did the MSM’s trio’s work for them, and we do indeed have a focus for the last few days of the very long campaign.-Hugh Hewitt
Yeah, spread the wealth around.
By Keep it real!
October 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
T0: Monkey Stupid,
What a dumb comment! Their are only 34 milliion hispanics in our country.Do you think they are working all the jobs!
You hire them because you pay them below what the job calls for!
It is widely known is thru the United States hispanics and other groups are being paid less then what the job calls for!
By Matt
October 17, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
Yes Goldie, it’s happy hour time. Speaking of which, I have to go get my dog some food so she will be happy. Gotta keep those females happy. She’s the love of my life at the moment so as long as I can take care of her I will be happy.
By Abomi Nation
October 17, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
Obama sweeps!
All three debates. Gallup just released their poll on the 3rd debate.
56%- Thought Obama won.
Only 30% thought McCain won.
Another Republican myth debunked. Lol, they really talked themselves into a win this time. Reality rears its ugly head….again.
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
Many of you know that I like to ask questions… I’m wondering right now how John McSame thinks he can “work across the aisle to get the job done”, when today his campaign is STILL accusing Obama of “palling around with domestic terrorists”… is this how McSame shows his love for all Americans? And is he really willing to lose his integrity in order to win this election?
Why are so many Repugs blind to McSame’s own admission of “ambition to be president” as he wrote in his biography? What else does he offer Americans other than his “ambition”?
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president… . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
Here’s your Nobel “Peace” Prize winner, hahahaha, geez, what a moron:
But right now, increased government spending is just what the doctor ordered, and concerns about the budget deficit should be put on hold.
Socialist POS.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
As for Joe’s unpaid taxes, blogger “Patterico” reports that Obama’s campaign treasurer has liens for unpaid taxes.-Taranto, WSJ
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
Obama sweeps!
Abomi @ 5:39 — and Obama rocks! Have you seen him make his 3-point shot in a basketball game?
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Bosch — I remember that Powell also was the one who warned W and Cheney that in order to perform their “regime change” in Iraq, they would need to overwhelm the country will our military forces, in HUGE numbers, and then we would also be responsible for or “own” that country forever. Looks like he was correct and W was wrong. I will gladly accept any endorsement he might give to Obama, and all will be forgiven about that bad U.N. propaganda sideshow.
By @@
October 17, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
And OBlahMa’s math looks dire for the United States jay.
“Ten thousand people died in a Kansas tornado” OBlahMa said.
No….no…..Senator, there were twelve unfortunate victims.
“I’ve been to all 57 states in the U.S. That’s not counting Hawaii and Alaska” OBlahMa said.
So by his math there are 59 states in the U.S?
No….no….Senator, there are 50 states in the U.S.
“I went to Iraq to talk to important leaders that I expects to be “dealing with over the next eight to ten years” OBlahMa said.
No…..no….Senator, think 22nd Amendment. That’s the one between the 21st and the 23rd.
I know it’s hard but you want to be our president for crying out loud.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
What many miss, I think, is it’s not about “Joe the Plumber” as a person or any particulars of his private life.
It’s about what he represents, putting a face to the goal of ‘spreading the wealth around.’ It’s putting a face to an abstraction.
What liens he has, licenses he doesn’t have, what brand of toothpaste he uses does not matter one iota. This is an attack on a person to distract from the concept of what he represents.
And it also touched a lot of peoples’ dreams - “I have a business, or someday I want one. I’d really like to make it big. How much will they take from me then?”
Limiting dreams hits a lot of people.
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
There’s been a subtle change in Obama’s stump speech today. Suddenly he’s saying he wants to give tax cuts to 95% of middle class families.
Teleprompter glitch or did he just throw “the poor” under the bus?
By Goldie
October 17, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 6:00 — also, what many miss are having real “stories” told to us about “real” people that we can relate to… not a lot of made up stuff for promoting some ideology. This is another good example of McSame’s impulsive and non-vetting process of what he says or who he picks as his running mate.
By Paul
October 17, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Goldie
This is an extract from a transcript provided by the Center on Presidential debates.
I believe McCain merely repeated what was said on the youtube vid. Guy told Obama he was thinking of buying a business, made about $250k a year and would Obama raise his taxes?
I didn’t hear a bunch of made up stuff. BTW - I disagree with McCain on the top-tier cuts - but it isn’t for the reasons he cites. Or Obama, either.
[[McCain: I would like to mention that a couple days ago Senator Obama was out in Ohio and he had an encounter with a guy who’s a plumber, his name is Joe Wurzelbacher.
Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes.
You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream.
Obama: Now, the conversation I had with Joe the plumber, what I essentially said to him was, “Five years ago, when you were in a position to buy your business, you needed a tax cut then.”
And what I want to do is to make sure that the plumber, the nurse, the firefighter, the teacher, the young entrepreneur who doesn’t yet have money, I want to give them a tax break now. And that requires us to make some important choices.
The last point I’ll make about small businesses. Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks, because they are the drivers of the economy. They produce the most jobs.
MCCAIN: You know, when Senator Obama ended up his conversation with Joe the plumber — we need to spread the wealth around. In other words, we’re going to take Joe’s money, give it to Senator Obama, and let him spread the wealth around.
I want Joe the plumber to spread that wealth around. You told him you wanted to spread the wealth around.
The whole premise behind Senator Obama’s plans are class warfare, let’s spread the wealth around. I want small businesses — and by the way, the small businesses that we’re talking about would receive an increase in their taxes right now.
Who — why would you want to increase anybody’s taxes right now? Why would you want to do that, anyone, anyone in America, when we have such a tough time, when these small business people, like Joe the plumber, are going to create jobs, unless you take that money from him and spread the wealth around.]]
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Union representative Clement McHoffa praised the deal as “a way to get better dental benefits and free up people from the assembly line to campaign for Obama.” “Enough of this private sector crap,” he added.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this
GALLUP POLL LIKELY VOTERS STAY 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN FOR SECOND DAY…
Spread that around.
By KornfeldChrist
October 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
The morons who vote for either mcsame or obammy get the rotten government they deserve, and NEED to pay a lot more in taxes. Taxes in this nation now are for idiots, not patriots,or flag wavers. Patriots & flag wavers are the phony crap we need to get rid of. Those who pay taxes are the weaklings, those who don’t have the guts to fight against government. Those who willingly pay taxes today need to have their tax liability TRIPLED, since they are not paying enough. I work for myself. I pay NO taxes from MY income, except for what I buy, and those taxes are bad enough. I don’t give a damn about your schools, your reasons for using taxes, the so-called ‘protection’ or any of the other lying crap that people puke. Taxes are for morons, like those in atlanta, those who voted for the moronic government of the state of georgia and for those with just a little too much money in their pockets. Pay more tax, please. ‘Cause I won’t.
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this
What this country needs is more public offices and shorter terms so we will have elections 24/7. That way, all the people looking for favors from an elected official or two or more will continue to trickle down some of their money and more people can get paid to lobby and more people can work for elected people as spokes persons and more companies can build more voting machines and more ads can be generated and more and more people will have good paying jobs and….
By @@
October 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
Whoops! Their typo, not mine.
I expects to be “dealing with over the next eight to ten years” OBlahMa said.
CBS, damn racists.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
Jay
Taling about Math, get ready to do some division on YOUR wealth. I hope you didn’t work too hard for it as that will make it more painful watching it go to someone who sat on their a**.
By Matt
October 17, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
idealology = Democrat Realist = republican Governmentize = democrat privatize = republican
Share the wealth and your hard earned wealth will soon diminish. Give a pig some lipstick and it will devour it. Give a socialist government and it will devour the assets. Give a socialist backers I.E. the senate, and it will devour the american way, spirit, and security.
How the heck could obama start attacking the plumber today? He must be scared. To stoop so low to attack the middle class whom he is supposedly trying to help. It hurts when you know you got punched so you demean the one who asked a question to try to embelish your self image rather than man up to why you actually got the punch. Poor poor man wannabe. I am sorry that the world has to witness this.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d’oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne,” and there’s Obama waxing eloquent about all the suffering outside the hotel on the streets of the one of the greatest cities in the wealthiest nation — so had to get in a little class envy.-Limbaugh
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this
Matt,
Please tell me that you were not educated in Georgia’s public schools. If so, our system is in much worse shape than I ever would have imagined. You learned all that in one of those schools of the Republican faith, didn’t you.
By Ayn Rand was Right
October 17, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
Regarding the rich/poor comments earlier in this blog…have the poor truly gotten poorer in the last 8 years? I think not. The rich have certainly gotten richer. Those you sit around and worry about what others have should focus more on working to make your life better deserve what you get.
The poor have not gotten poorer the margins have just increased. The only ones who have really suffered are the upper middle class who have been saddled with the burden of “being rich” by whining liberals and the politicians who pander to them. The truly rich, such as Mr. Obama still have the ability to dodge the major tax burdens.
When you make it detrimental to make more money, the “rich” and productive will cease to support your lazy poor people. Then you will realize the difference that can exist between rich and poor.
Enjoy your reign of redistribution of poverty.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Oblahma should have stuck with meeting terrorists without preconditions instead of doing it with people like Joe the plumber.
Stick with what you know, barry.
By TW
October 17, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this
Yet, following the articulated - well articulated - ‘spread the wealth,’ we now get endorsements from conservative LA Times and Chicago Tribune - the first time either has endorsed a Democrat for the White House.
Baffling! They must not read the genius conservative rebuttle on Bookman’s blog…
By Frank
October 17, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this
KornfeldChrist ..What penitentiary are you currently serving time in? You come across as an angry , bitter, pyscho. Where’s you ammo buried dude?
By Matt
October 17, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, if I were educated in government schools then I would probably not be able to think. I just go by the facts. Dreamers dream and doers do. Most democrabs are dreamers and most republiCANS are doers.
Obviously you must be a derivitive of government education on how to be ignorant to reality and believe what you watch on TV. Of course the TV doesn’t lie does it. It is GOD to so many non thinkers in this nation it should be called a religeon and not be allowed to air pollitics anyway because that would be mixing Church and state.
Get a clue!!!
Re-search…Think…Don’t be a robot.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this
TW: Nice try, but the Tribune “declined” to endorse HW Bush in 92 and Dole in 96.
Keeping the “airs” intact.
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
While it’s true that the Obama is the first Democrat endorsed by the LA Times it hardly follows that the LA Times is some conservative mouthpiece. They haven’t endorsed anyone since they endorsed Nixon in 1972.
Anybody want to fact check this moonbat on the Trib?
By TW
October 17, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
RW - that ‘moonbat’ thing started to bother me…but then I thought about ‘w’s eight year abortion…and McSame’s incompetent campaign…and that they are both Republican. And then I remembered that word ‘credibility.’
And then I laughed.
Check the ‘Trib,’ did ya’?
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this
TW,
I left that to Chicago’s own AJC/DNC-M. He weighed in just ahead of me.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this
CHICAGO (AP) ― The Nation of Islam, a secretive movement generally closed to outsiders, has planned a rare open-to-the public event at its Chicago-based headquarters in what the Minister Louis Farrakhan deemed a “new beginning” for the group.
“We have restored Mosque Maryam completely, and we will dedicate it to the universal message of Islam, and the universal aspect of the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad,” Farrakhan said in an invitation letter. “It represents for the Nation of Islam, a new beginning.”
Gosh, I wonder why the Nation of Islam feels like there is a “new beginning” afoot?
Perhaps maybe thee “Conservative” Chicago Tribune will tell us, after all, this lunacy is taking place in their backyard.
Don’t hold your breath.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 17, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
I guess FALL is in the air because that is exactly what is going to happen to ALL Republicans that are presently holding office…Some of the theories and divisiveness that they come up with is RIDICULOUS!! The MINNESOTA Representative MICHELLE BACHMAN is calling for the major newspapers of the country to investigate members of Congress to “find out if they are pro-America or anti-America.” This is an embarrassment to this great country. Most Americans will not agree with a lot of things that we have had to endure as a nation…but would agree that there are not many other places that they would rather be…what foolish remarks…from a very foolish person!!! This woman is VERY dangerous!!
Republican Michelle Bachmann accuses Congress of being un-American http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_pN2IPAw6E
Help get Michelle Bachmann out of office Donate a few bucks to the Democratic contender
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/
Every single Republican and GOP McBush candidate on the down ticket during this election cycle must be voted down or out of office.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
The Corporal”
October 17, 2008 2:29 PM
Not what John Lewis said.
By Taxpayer
October 17, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this
Matt, that was so cute. Who does your programming?
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
Anybody want to hop on board with SOUTHERN ATL and his/her prediction that the House of Representatives will be 435 Dems and zero Republicans after this election?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
As the printing presses insanely whirl at thee windowless Urinal compound, let us take a wild guess at tomorrow’s headlines:
The rain did NOT, we say again, did NOT help alleviate the drought!-Urinal/PMS
DOW gains 4.7% for the week but fears of recession loom, many consider suicide- Urinal/DNC
Oblahma rips deranged plumber’s absurd “dream” of owning business, cites ties to non union membership-Urinal/DNC
U.S. missile suspected in deaths of Pakistani “people”- Urinal/Jihad
I sincerely hope I didn’t give them any ideas for Sunday.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
To TN Gelding
You’re right. I apologize.
It was even worse than I thought.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 2:30 PM
Have you no shame?
That was totally uncalled for. An apology is in order.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
Obama’s General Counsel Asks Special Prosecutor to Investigate McCain Campaign’s Claims of Voter Fraud
all of you ACORN
By Midori
October 17, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
Obama’s General Counsel Asks Special Prosecutor to Investigate McCain Campaign’s Claims of Voter Fraud
all of you ACORN chompers should be happy about this.
let the nuts fall where they may.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
Horsey: You know, you being walled up in one of Farraloon’s compounds goes a long way to explaining some of your comments.
But only some of them.
The rest are farther out there than his “mothership” is.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this
To AJC/DNC Management:
You are so right about Farrakhan and the new beginning for the Nation of Islam. I’ll sleep so much better tonight knowing that he has joined the community of love and tolerance.
And to all of those spiritual buffoons who are going to go and fellowship with Calypso Louie, I can’t believe your naivete’.
P.S. Be sure and wear a bowtie.
By GaLiberal
October 17, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
I’d be willing to bet that VA will go to the Rethuglicons. The Democratic stronghold is the metro DC area, but there are enough racists and religoNazis that will vote for McPain. So I give VA to McCain. Even with that, he still has an uphill battle for the other states.
Lets not forget that Gore had a huge lead until the Rethuglicon dirty tricks squad came out en-masse with their lies and character assassinations. Look what McPain is doing with the automated phone calls linking Obama to a ‘domestic terrorist’ and ‘voter fraud.’ Outright lies and distortions of facts, but as the Rethuglicons learned with Bush I and the Wille Horton ad, it’s very effective with the short attention span crowd. It’s almost comical that McPain complained about these automated phone calls, but now it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. McPain is desperate and will do to anything to get elected. Even if it’s completely dishonorable and despicable.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And McPain’s use of lies and deceit to get elected is living proof.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
My bad, I didn’t see the 2:30 and I just took it for granted that Horsey would be sticking up for Farraloon.
Every one of the examples I offered at 2:30 is rooted in fact, horsey, perhaps you should begin paying attention to the pathological viciousness that seems to be inbred into your political party.
And while we are on the subject, isn’t it amazing that Duhzilla sits in here day after day retching up all of the liberal fatwas as though she were the second coming of the Huffington Post, but yet she has an immediate family with 50 some members in it?
Do you realize how far off the pinko plantation/ worker’s paradise this moonbat has wandered?
Do I need to tell you that they hate children, now that they are safely out of childhood anyway, that they despise large families, they call redneck women “breeders,” etc, etc?
“Destroying” the Earth and all that?
It’s always the other guy that is the problem, ain’t it?
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this
TO GaLiberal
Yes, McCain is Using Same Robocall Firm That Helped Smear Him In 2000
Check it out:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/report-mccain-using-samen135699.html
By Tailgater
October 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
The Democratic stronghold is the metro DC area
Coincidental? In D.C. from whence ALL the crooks operate.
In D.C. from whence ALL the bailouts occur.
By SaveOurRepublic
October 17, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
Kornfieldchrist is correct in the implication of “Juan McAmnasty” & “Bacrock Obuma” being cut from the same (Globalist) mold. They’re totally two sides of the same coin. Also, federal income tax is unConstitutional as the 16th Amendment wasn’t properly ratified. The IRS is basically the collection agency for the (private) Fed…of the Central Banking Cartel. That being said, I wouldn’t advise tax evasion for anyone, as it’s comparable to not paying the Mob shakedown money…therefore not “forking over” means having the “Mob enforcers” come work ya over! :-S
By Reality
October 17, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
All you deadbeat bottom feeding generational government dependent non-achievers — get ready for your welfare check courtsey of Obama’s wealth re-distribtion (and my $250+ income)…I hope you choke on it!!!!!
By Frederick Douglass
October 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
Bottom line, Obama wouldn’t be such a boogey man to some of you if Dubya had been half of a president. The time honored rite of awarding status to scions of favored families have come back to bite y’all in your collective butts, and McCain is poised to be another in a long line of entitled scions that haven’t done a damn thing except leech off of the system. Now everybody’s afraid of an Obama presidency, how hypocritical, weren’t y’all fearful of an absolute dill weed being the head of the greatest country on earth? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
By Ayn Rand was Right
October 17, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this
Hey libs…in planning to redistribute the wealth will they have to start with Michelle Obama’s $500 room service snacks!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … does that come out of his campaign funds? If so, I guess there are 5 po’d donors out there tonight!
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this
There’s an interesting case study in that story that Midori has chosen to link to twice for us.
The Republicans want to investigate the massive registration fraud and potential voter fraud perpetrated by ACORN and the Obama campaign wants to the government to go after anybody that reports the fraud or comments on the investigation.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 17, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
CINDY MCCAIN RELEASES TAX RETURNS…I GUESS THAT SHE MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG…
WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s wife, Cindy, reported $4.2 million in income for 2007, nearly $2 million less than she reported the previous year, according to tax returns released by the McCain campaign Friday. Mrs. McCain, who files her taxes separately from her husband, paid $1.1 million in taxes, a tax rate of about 26 percent. She reported nearly $530,000 in itemized deductions.
The McCain campaign said her losses were in investment income directly related to her family business, Hensley & Co., an Arizona beer distributorship of which she is chairwoman.
“The reduction is a combination of capital investments in the business and, like many companies, Hensley has felt the impact of a weakened economy,” McCain spokesman Brian Jones said.
The Arizona senator’s campaign had released her 2006 return in May but said Mrs. McCain had requested an extension on her 2007 return.
McCain himself released his own tax return last April, reporting a total income of $405,409 in 2007 and $84,460 in federal income taxes.
Democratic rival Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, made their returns public earlier this year, reporting $4.2 million in 2007 income, most of it profits from his books, “Dreams From My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope.”
The McCain campaign only released the summary pages of Mrs. McCain’s returns, thus offering limited information on her finances. She listed nearly $2.9 million in income from rental real estate, royalties, partnerships and trusts _ a category that would include her investment income from Hensley & Co. She had reported $4.5 million in that category in 2006.
She also reported $297,000 in salary income, more than $118,000 in dividends and more than $746,000 in capital gains. Her dividend income dropped by about $165,000 from 2006.
Perhaps anticipating higher income, she overpaid her taxes over the year by more than $950,000. She applied that amount to her 2008 estimated tax.
As an heiress to the Hensley fortune, Cindy McCain’s worth has been estimated at more than $100 million.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
Paul
October 17, 2008 3:56 PM
Aren’t most minimum wage earners students?
If work was rewarded more equitably there wouldn’t be as much need to redistribute the wealth.
By @@
October 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
RW:
Midori is her own worst enemy. OBlahMa is his.
Stratfor always finds a silver lining however deeply imbedded.
The price of crude oil dropped to US$71 a barrel on Wednesday, its lowest point in more than 13 months.
This is a huge shift from July, when oil prices were more than double what they are now — US$147 a barrel. Back then, prominent leaders like Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were swimming in petrodollars and grinning from ear to ear, planning their geopolitical agendas.
Putin, in an attempt to make Russian markets appear strong forced the oligarchs to shore up the market with huge investments. Their fortunes are being wiped out. We all know what those oligarchs are capable of in Russia.
Just imagine……..Ahmadenijad, Chavez, and Putin under attack from within.
All the more reason to choose experience over charm. Experience will take full advantage of their weaknesses.
Now is not the time to be Mr. Cool.
By G
October 17, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
SOUTHERN ATL at 9:26,
Old McGreedy knew what he wanted and he went out and got it…..a wealthy woman. Never mind he was a married man with children. You know, it seems I remember that his first wife was married with children when she and McHomewrecker got together.
Strange how all these “family value folks” worship at the throne of McSerial Adulterer.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this
Matt October 17, 2008 3:30 PM
Don’t be so rigid.
That’s why we have government support programs. Just about everyone needs help at some point during their life to get over the rough spots. And contrary to what you might think, most of us understand that and support these programs. It’s the abuse that most rail against.
The food stamp program is administered by the Dept. Of Agriculture, which tells me it’s as much for the farmer as it is the needy.
If you’re still too proud or stubborn to seek assistance, then contact your regular customers, especially the senior citizens, to see if they have anything that you could help them with. It might not pay as much as you normally charge but it would be something to keep food on the table and bills paid.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 17, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this
G at 9:40 p.m.
…and you would think that the people that worship at the throne of the Royal McCain family could be placed in the same financial category…I have always heard that if you can not hang with the big dogs…then get off of the porch…
PEACE!!!
By Tell It Like It Is
October 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
If Obama were white, he would be up by double digets.How can there be so many undecided voters at this late stage when the economy is in the tank? The answer is racism. I watched some things today where McCain/Palin supporters were hanging Obama in effigy and depicting him as a monkey. Murtha knows his people just like Westmoreland does here in Georgia. They know bigots and how they think. Yes, I am playing the race card because it will trumpcommon sense every time. Obama will not win because of his race unless Blacks, Latinos,non-racist whites and young people vote in high numbers.Hilary Clinton was right when she said that she had the best chance of winning the election. Rove is betting on the race factor on his electoral map just as republicans and democrats have always done. It is as American as apple pie.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 17, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this
Obama’s NH event scraps National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance…-Drudge Report
By G
October 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
SOUTHERN ATL at 9:51,
I believe the problem with a lot of these “family value folks” is just plain ignorance. I guess, for them, ignorance is bliss.
LIVE POOR, VOTE RICH.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By getalife
October 17, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
“On his talk show on WPHT today, conservative Philadelphian Michael Smerconish endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.”
All the papers are endorsing Obama.
Have any endorsed McCain yet?
By Frederick Douglass
October 17, 2008 10:03 PM | Link to this
Does mob kick backs figure into Cindy’s fortune? If John is elected, will top level cabinet slots go to guys named Vitto, Silvio, or Mario? I’m afraid of McCain, he’s, he’s—— well he sleeps with a mobster.
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
Tell it…..
Geraldine Ferraro was right for one of the few times ever in the spring. If Obama was white he’d have faded into obscurity a long time ago.
By Midori
October 17, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
There’s an interesting case study in that story that Midori has chosen to link to twice for us.
Any self hating moron can see that I accidentally his “post” before I finished typing my text in the first message.
You are so pathetic. No minutia is too small or inconsequential for you to try to make a big deal out of it.
The sad part is you work so very hard at it.
Midori is her own worst enemy.
and you’re a bloody idiot. Pure and simple.
Feces for brains.
I’m proud that my “hater crowd” isn’t nowhere near as large as yours.
Neither is my mouth.
By SOUTHERN ATL
October 17, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this
G at 10:01 p.m.
I could not have phrased it better…
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT!!!
By G
October 17, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Frederick Douglass at 10:03,
Now there’s a thought! Gangster shootout in the White House. Horse heads in the bed, anyone? McEvil has Cindy, so he won’t be needing one of those.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Frederick Douglass
October 17, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this
If Obama were white, he’d probably be finishing his second term as POTUS instead of “Old Tumble Weed”.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
Paul
October 17, 2008 4:25 PM
Thanks for your benevolence.
The military used to offer that opportunity. It probably has the best tech schools in the world. That’s one thing I don’t like about the all-volunteer army. I also think our economy misses the highly skilled technicians to fill high tech jobs that were dischared daily. Now companies claim they need to bring workers in from other countries with special visas to fill those jobs.
By Tell It Like It Is
October 17, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original),
It is ineresting how some whites(I assume you are white) dismiss the intelligence and ability of Obama. If he were white(I assume like you), I would still vote for him over McCain.I call it racism. Thanks for making my point.
By G
October 17, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this
Frederick Douglass at 10:21,
We sure could have used Obama’s intelligence these last 8 years. Shrub has none, zero, zilch.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
Paul
October 17, 2008 4:50 PM
Nice anecdote. Thanks for sharing it.
Where do they get all these false impressions of Obama other than Fox and the RNC? Oh yeah, I forgot, the lovely Sarah.
By the dark side
October 17, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this
what hate that fills your empty souls.
goooood…gooooooood.
By RW-(the original)
October 17, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
Tell it….,
Assume all you’d like.
I would never support a Marxist puppet be them black, white, purple, or polka dotted.
If all you have in your defense is to call me a racist it says far more about you than me.
By Frederick Douglass
October 17, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this
They wanted a president they could have a beer with, geez! I guess now they want an over sized hand puppet.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this
Matt
October 17, 2008 4:56 PM
We’re trying to stop and reverse the destruction of the last 7 years, 8 months and 28 days.
Look for new congressional leadership if Obama is elected. Pelosi and Reid will be history.
We can accept blame, there is plenty to go around. We just want Bush and his apologists to do the same. Ronald Reagan was big enough to admit his mistakes.
But to blame the current crisis on Carter, Clinton, Franklin Raines, Barney Frank and the minority of the minority that got subprime loans and defaulted on them is ridiculous.
By "The Corporal"
October 17, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this
Drudge Report : “7th grader called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt…”
I am going to choose my words very carefully here, but something has happened to me (and I believe millions of others) during this campaign.
This is no longer just a political battle being waged between liberals and conservatives. No matter who wins this time, it will from now forward become a battle for the very soul of what this nation once was and what it is supposed to be. It has become something much more serious than just voting and winning. It will no longer be polite between Americans.
I honestly believe we are now in that place in our history that I had hoped would not happen in my lifetime. A watershed with many serious consequences as our nation moves in a direction designed by some to erase our liberties. A time where it is …………
too late for the ballot box but too early for the revolution.
God help us ………………
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
Matt
October 17, 2008 5:23 PM
How in the world could you have even voted for W in 2000?
You seem much too perceptive to have been fooled even once.
But please, please, if Obama is elected give him a chance. It certainly isn’t going to be easy to get out of this mess.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this
CommunistAJC
October 17, 2008 5:25 PM
APOLOGIZE.
What is it with you? Please show a little respect.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this
Paul
October 17, 2008 6:00 PM
Joe the Plumber wasn’t dreaming, he was hallucinating.
By @@
October 17, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this
Getalife:
All the papers are endorsing Obama.
Have ‘ya seen the polls showing the public’s lack of confidence in the media?
Midori:
and you’re a bloody idiot. Pure and simple.
Feces for brains.
I’m proud that my “hater crowd” isn’t nowhere near as large as yours.
Neither is my mouth.
Sometimes I get the slightest impression that you don’t appreciate me.
Your crowd is an island unto itself Midori. It lives inside your head. It’s self perpetuating.
Cappellaio di buona notte.
By TN Gelding
October 17, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this
Ayn Rand was Right
October 17, 2008 7:21 PM
True, the rich had gotten richer.
But at this point I think just about everyone is worse off than they were 7 years, 8 months and 28 days ago.
By RB from Gwinnett
October 18, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
TN, not everybody. Only liberals are worse off than when Bush took office. The smart people whose glasses are half full are buying stocks low knowing they’ll recover like they always do. But you keep whining and moaning.
BTW, I’ll bet if you’re honest, you’re no better off now than you were when Clinton took office or when Bush 1, or Reagan or anybody else took office. You might want to stop waiting for the president to make you better off and start doing something for yourself. Something besides whining. Loser.
By TN Gelding
October 18, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett
October 18, 2008 12:08 AM
I hope you’re right about the market.
But I think we’re in uncharted waters and I’m a little nervous.
Actually, we’re better off than we’ve ever been. But we live within our means. Thanks for your “concern” tho.
I was fixing to say goodnight. Thought everyone had gone to bed on me.
But I’ll say it now; goodnight and sweet dreams.
By Say it ain't so?
October 18, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this
RW,
“be them ” ….???
…not the sort of syntax we would normally expect from you?
Please reassure us that this was just a late night slip, and not a Freudian one.
By RB from Gwinnett
October 18, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this
TN, so at 11:48 you say almost everyone is worse off than they were when Bush took office, but 30 minutes later you say you are better off. Has it occured to you you’re not the exception and perhaps you’ve fallen into the cesspool of masses who listen to the MSM without actually paying attention to reality? You’re doing ok, but everybody else is in the tank? Try thinking for yourself for a change and stop listening to MSNBC. You might actuall make sense to reasonable people.
By Mike
October 18, 2008 1:11 AM | Link to this
Check out this great compilation of liberal hate from this campaign. Pages and pages of hate speech and recorded assaults and vandalism from Obama supporters:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/
Any liberal want to show me the conservative version?
By flock of seagulls
October 18, 2008 1:19 AM | Link to this
[breakfast with tiffany] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6csp2fZt2E)
By shoney's big boy
October 18, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this
breakfast with tiffany
By rtw
October 18, 2008 4:01 AM | Link to this
I thought the job of a journalist was to report, not opine. This country has forgotten what makes US unique. We are made up of every other country in the world. That is our strength. Why are we so divisive? Are we only worthy if we are democrats, or republicans? Get a grip, we all want the same thing. To live in peace, to protect our loved ones, to have meaning and relevance on this limited time on earth. We are too spoiled, we’ve lost our way. We complain if things don’t go our way. If life is too hard, we complain. Life is a gift, not a guarantee. Modern life has so many advantages over our predecessors, yet we squander the most precious gift we have, time. We fill our lives with the inconsequential, we fret over the unimportant, we fight over the immaterial. Our choice of a leader is important, but not as much as our personal choices. Look inward for solutions, not outward. Do you really think that your fate, your hopes and dreams are dependent on others? Quit spectating, stop looking for answers from others. Form your own opinions. Don’t trust those who are biased or have a financial motive. Make your time on earth count. In large ways and small. Think for yourself. Decide for yourself. The more you know, the better you feel. So eat your beans at every meal.
By rtw
October 18, 2008 4:02 AM | Link to this
I thought the job of a journalist was to report, not opine. This country has forgotten what makes US unique. We are made up of every other country in the world. That is our strength. Why are we so divisive? Are we only worthy if we are democrats, or republicans? Get a grip, we all want the same thing. To live in peace, to protect our loved ones, to have meaning and relevance on this limited time on earth. We are too spoiled, we’ve lost our way. We complain if things don’t go our way. If life is too hard, we complain. Life is a gift, not a guarantee. Modern life has so many advantages over our predecessors, yet we squander the most precious gift we have, time. We fill our lives with the inconsequential, we fret over the unimportant, we fight over the immaterial. Our choice of a leader is important, but not as much as our personal choices. Look inward for solutions, not outward. Do you really think that your fate, your hopes and dreams are dependent on others? Quit spectating, stop looking for answers from others. Form your own opinions. Don’t trust those who are biased or have a financial motive. Make your time on earth count. In large ways and small. Think for yourself. Decide for yourself. The more you know, the better you feel. So eat your beans at every meal.
By buck
October 18, 2008 6:24 AM | Link to this
Republicans are not Conservatives. Just a little more Conservative than Democrats. As a real Paleo Conservative I am concerned that John McCain with a real anger problem would have his finger on the nuclear button. Several fellow senators have expressed the same fear about McCain. Sara Palin is a joke as a Presidential candidate and was a gimmick by McCain. Picking Palin shows McCain does not care about the country but only about his selfish bid to be President. If you can not vote for Obama then vote for Bob Barr like myself. McCain is not the answer.
By alan
October 18, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this
From Michael Geason’s column: In February 2000, after being criticized by religious conservatives, McCain gave a very angry speech in Virginia attacking leaders of the religious right as “agents of intolerance,” comparing them to Louis Farrakhan, accusing them of having “turned good causes into businesses,” calling them “corrupting influences on religion and politics” who “shame our faith, our party and our country.” It was a tantrum disguised as a campaign event. Do you really believe this man has changed?
By aj wright
October 18, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this
Mr Bookman, I see the ajc endorsed obama. no surprise there. I was just wondering when the last time the ajc endorsed a republican candidate for president.
Regards
By AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
Sometimes you liberals get so ridiculous:
Biden takes issue with Palin comment!!!! Joe Biden whined about rival Sarah Palin’s comment in North Carolina that she loves visiting “pro-America” parts of the country, sniffing that the entire nation is patriotic.-Urinal/DNC
Well, boo hoo hoo.
Now check this out:
“We are one nation, under God, indivisible,” Biden moaned to the crowd. “We are all patriotic, we all love this country.” -Urinal/PMS
Oh, bullshiite.
Under God?
Love this country?
Who is he kidding?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this
The little guy has become demonized and a boogeyman to the freak liberals, just like our soldiers always do and get spat on and falsely accused of crimes for it:
GOP’s lawsuit in Ohio tossed Supreme Court ruling a victory for Democrats-Urinal/DNC
No problem but why is Joe the plumber’s picture posted under this article with the following caption:
Several Ohio newspapers said his name is misspelled as “Worzelbacher” in the state’s records. That mismatch could have led to his being challenged at the polls if he had been a newly registered voter.-Urinal/POS
Check the address on his ID for a match, no?
At least he’s alive and has an ID, unlike most pinkkko voters.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
I see that once again we have killed the No. 2 al-Qaida leader in Iraq. How many times have we killed this guy so far? He has more lives than a “cat.”-Urinal Vent
You seemed to be confused, libby, in the real world the number three guy gets promoted, duh.
This ain’t a democrat Congressman we’re talking about, that holds the position for decades upon decades, coming into office as a pauper and leaving as a multi millionaire, earning “all” of it on his 150 grand a year salary.
Now those people you can’t kill.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
Great, the United States just unloaded a 400 billion subsidy on the farmers, guess who’s back whining for more?:
It feels as if ‘sky is falling’ for farmers-Urinal/PMS
Unlike the al Qaeda number 2 guy, you cannot kill a bloated government program, oh wait, I forgot, we haven’t given Sarah a shot at it yet, never mind.
By TN Gelding
October 18, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett
October 18, 2008 1:00 AM
We live within our means. Did you miss that?
We aren’t the exception, but that puts us in the minority. We’re also retired which puts us in another minority group.
We don’t get MSNBC, but I’d watch it if I could. To deny that working families are struggling is preposterous. I understand things aren’t as bad as some would have us believe, but it’s the uncertainty that has us concerned, and the trend is definitely down.
I knew too many of us were living on credit and the eonomy was shaky, but had no idea the derivitives concocted here had penetrated markets worldwide.
The late Henry Gonzalez (D TX) tried to warn us from the well of the House nightly for years, but few listened.
“You can call it [the use of derivatives] whatever you want, but in my book it’s gambling.” -Representative Henry Gonzalez, Chairman, House Banking Committee, Ibid.
“Never have I seen a subject about which people know so little” -George Salem, bank analyst, Prudential Securities as quoted by Steven Lipen “Heard on the Street,” WSJ Dec. 1 1993, page C1.
“Futures and options are the tail wagging the dog. They have also escalated the leverage and volatility of the markets to precipitous, unacceptable levels.” - John Shad, former Chairman SEC and current CNBC news commentator, Managing Financial Risk, Smithson and Smith with Wilford.
“[Derivatives are] simply another Wall Street-developed house of cards.” -Representative Joseph Kennedy as quoted by Barbara A. Rehm, regulators Try to Reassure Lawmakers on Swaps,” American Banker, October 29,1993, page 3.
By Dawggy Style
October 18, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
An Open Invitation to Jay, Ms. G, TN Gelding, Midori, HB Ragger, AmVet and anyone else on this blog who just loves something for “free.” I will buy you a copy of THE OBAMA NATION (see Amazon review below) if you promise to read it before November 4th. I’m not asking you to change your political colors, just to read the book. Any takers?
THE OBAMA NATION Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality
Barack Obama stepped onto the national political stage when the then-Illinois State senator addressed the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Soon after Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, author Jerome Corsi began researching Obama’s personal and political background.
Scrupulously sourced with more than 600 footnotes, THE OBAMA NATION is the result of that research. By tracing Obama’s career and influences from his early years in Hawaii and Indonesia, the beginnings of his political career in Chicago, his voting record in the Illinois legislature, his religious training and his adoption of Christianity through to his recent involvement in Kenyan politics, his political advisors and fundraising associates and his meteoric campaign for president, Jerome Corsi shows that an Obama presidency would, in his words, be “a repeat of the failed extremist politics that have characterized and plagued Democratic Party politics since the late 1960s.”
In this stunning and comprehensive new book, the reader will learn about: -Obama’s extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father and step-father’s Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn—associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press -Barack and Michelle’s 20-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Franz Fanon , Stokely Carmichael and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama -Obama’s continuing connections with Kenya, the homeland of his father, through his support for the candidacy of Raila Odinga, the radical socialist presidential contender who came to power amid Islamist violence and church burnings -Obama’s involvement in the slum-landlord empire of the Chicago political fixer Tony Rezko, who helped to bankroll Obama’s initial campaigns and to purchase of Barack and Michelle’s dream-home property. -the background and techniques of the Obama campaign’s cult of personality, including the derivation of the words “hope” and change” -Obama’s far-left domestic policy, his controversial votes on abortion, his history of opposition to the Second Amendment, his determination to raise capital-gains taxes, his impractical plan to achieve universal health care, and his radical plan to tax Americans to fund a global-poverty-reduction program -Obama’s naïve, anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign-policy, predicated on the reduction of the military, the eradication of nuclear weapons and an overconfidence in the power of his personality, as if belief in change alone could somehow transform international politics, achieve nuclear-weapons disarmament and withdrawal from Iraq without adverse consequences, for us, for the Iraqis or for Israel.
Meticulously researched and documented, THE OBAMA NATION is the definitive source for information on why and how Barack Obama must be defeated—not by invective and general attacks, but by detailed arguments that are well-researched and fact-based.
About the Author DR. JEROME CORSI received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972 and has written many books and articles, including the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry. His latest best-seller was The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada. He is a senior staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.com and the author of two books on contemporary Iran: Atomic Iran and Showdown with Nuclear Iran. In his 2005 book Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil, which he co-authored with Craig. R. Smith, Dr. Corsi predicted oil prices at over $100 a barrel.
By TN Gelding
October 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
Dawggy Style
October 18, 2008 8:44 AM
Thanks for the offer.
But, I’ll have my wife get it at the library
The titles of his books raise a caution flag. Sounds ike the theme on Obama is character assassination or guilt by association.
By Good Luck With That
October 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Be afraid, Dawggy, be very afraid. Your stylistic approach to fear and hate mongering has been so effective that even you have succumbed to it’s fatal attraction. By the way, the same tactics have been used in past elections but I’m sure you are already aware of that. Regarding reading material, why don’t you offer to read materials of Jay’s (for example) choosing in exchange for his reading of your material. Of course, there would have to be pre- and post- quizzes involved in order to ensure an adequate comprehension of said materials as well as a third, fourth and even fifth party screening of source materials in order to eliminate or minimize any materials that are mere opinion, conjecture, non-factual, biased, etc. By the way, you would also be in a much better position to attack the Republican party opposition if the Republican party and it’s cronies had not so royally screwed up our nation over the past eight years. So, good luck with that.
By TW
October 18, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Gongrats to Cindy McSame for all the hard work she put into making that $4.3 million last year!
I only wish those lazy US Soldiers in Iraq could see what it takes to make real money…if only they could work as hard as she does…
By AmVet
October 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
aj wright,
The AJC endorsed Bush in 2000.
By Taxpayer
October 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
TN Gelding @ 8:26 AM,
Thanks for the link. It is well worth the read.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
You know what’s even more funny-
These presidential polls that are being taken and show OBlahma with anywhere from a tie to a 20 point lead are all weighted according to registered voters.
So the libs are out there copying names off of tombstones, going cell to cell in their local penitentiary and thumbing through the phone book and all the while, they are pushing the poll numbers in favor of the democrats, all based on voters that do not exist.
What a surprise they are in for.
By TN Gelding
October 18, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
October 18, 2008 11:23 AM
I’ll make a donation to your favorite charity if Obama loses.
Latest Electoral College map.
By Dawggy Style
October 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Good Luck With That,
I would have been ok with a simple “No, thank you!” But since you brought it up, do you include Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Franklin Raines, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the endless list of other Democratic self-servers in your broad brush comment “the Republican party and its cronies”? Stop acting like a smart guy and try to get there!