Jay Bookman

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 7:21 AM | Link to this

I haven’t seen last night’s comments, but surely McCain’s scoffing at “life of the monther” exceptions didn’t help him with fence-sitters.

Obama was his usual unflappable, Presidential-looking self.

By GOPs got to go

October 16, 2008 7:31 AM | Link to this

I think McCain did better than he has done in the past, however I think I witnessed a few “angry” moments.

I think it still comes down to the pick of Palin as VP that will be the deal breaker for most middle of the road Independents. As well it should.

NPR’s fact check this am was interesting, both candidates could have gotten a shock from a lie detector concerning fudging or half truths.

Hopefully the stupid Bill Ayers non-controversy will go by the way side.

By Bud Wiser

October 16, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this

The CNN poll gave it to Obama, 58 percent to 31 percent for McCain.

The inner office poll from CNN only goes 58-31? They must finally be reading their ratings numbers.

Mediacurves is a company that has been around since 1991. Their executive staff is loaded with folks with Ivy League schools degrees, not exactly a bastion of nonpartisan thinking, some with national media experience as well, so I’d pretty much toss out what they had to say.

Politico is probably the most accurate. McCain reminded me of Bob Dole when he ran against Clintax, seemingly indifferent on whether he wins or not, and unwilling or unable to confront Oblahma on his personal character issues.

Perhaps Republicans are now simpering down to the level of Democrats when they discount the ‘character DOES matter issue, or in their case, it doesn’t.

Where is a good 3rd party when you need one? If these two are the best America has to offer, then we have indeed sunk to Third World status.

By CBanks

October 16, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

Obama’s responses were clear, detailed and strong. McCain largely responded with distorted attacks on what Obama had just stated. I was uncomfortable that McCain’s speech was more than once garbled. His “reformer” comments on the question of Palin’s qualifications for President seemed both absurd and frightening. Barak Obama was articulate, consistent in message and reassuring that he is ready and able to become President.

By Houckster

October 16, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

ANALCORD writes: Well, even though your take is useless, this troll-coddling blog has the luckiest (luckiest) trolls (trolls) on the face (face face) of the earth (earth earth). __ After listing to ole’ ANAL, I know what a troll really is.

By Steve Fought

October 16, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

McCain doesn’t get it.

The economy is tanking. People are worried.

And he thinks that attacking Obama is the way to go?

Bad strategy.

By Just_Me

October 16, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

The split screen was NO friend to McCain. If you’d listened only to the debate, you would have probably missed the sighing, definitely have missed the eye rolling,smirks, and good grief..what was UP with McCain’s eyebrows? It reminded me of Bluto, from Animal House!!

Once again, any message he wanted to send was drowned out by the image of the angry, old man…

By paisana

October 16, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Secret service investigation finds “kill him” claim false. Person really shouted “tell him.” And John Lewis left his integrity on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.

By "The Corporal"

October 16, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

To Polly Bookman

I find it incredulous that you are disparaging parrots”” this morning as that is what I read almost every day on your blog introduction as well as from your **blindly biased supporters. I at least am willing to admit and point out faults in my candidates.

While we’re talking animals here, don’t forget the beguiling serpent who would promise anything to gain power.

Wonder who that is ?

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

America does not need another “do it my way” kinda president… John McSame is unable to control his anger and that will be devastating if he gets elected for the next 4 years!

Barack Obama — Composed, Thoughtful, and Ready To Lead America!

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

I still have that comment from McCain, about him not being Bush, stuck in my head. Most of the right-wing bobble-heads here soaked that comment up as though it were some clever contrivance that really put Obama in his place. That impression however could not be farther from the truth. What McCain failed to take into account, until possibly after his words actually sank in through that thick skull of his, was that he was that one that ran against Bush and failed miserably and that he is still that one that is trying so desperately to pull off yet another Rovian lie just one more time. You ARE Republican, McCain, and you represent all that is Bush about this country and for that you will be beaten by Bush yet again.

By NObama

October 16, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

I could NEVER vote for someone (Obama) who constantly laughed and smiled while someone else was talking. He mimcked everything McCain said. It was like he was a puppet. I guess that’s what his speech writers told him to do. “Want to look good? Say the same thing McCain says.”

By MakeUpYourMind

October 16, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Make up your mind folks. You SAY you want Obama…but go back and listen to him last night. He copied everything McCain said then laughed when McCain said it. I was on Obama’s side til I saw him last night, and a lot of my other Dem friends are voting McCain this time, too.

By Montana Dawg

October 16, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

The debate favored Obama although McCain drastically improved over the last 2 fiascos. He still is an angry OLD man though. I, too, wish we had a 3rd party that actually could make a run for it; however, Congress runs the country and with that said we really need a good leader. We also need someone who can mend the dents we’ve made with many of our allies over the last 8 years. In this case, Obama is by far the better choice. He can inspire, lead, and build confidence in the people. I agree with most of his policy ideas (not all but most) and have read MANY of his published works (incl. both books). The man is brilliant, introspective, charismatic, and most of all fair-minded. As long as he surrounds himself with good, knowledgeable, and capable people he will do just fine. Unfortunately, the current administration is leaving someone with the BIGGEST MESS IN HISTORY that is on top of the war in Iraq and the need to transform SS, Medicare, and our Health Care Systems.

By GOPs got to go

October 16, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Now admittedly I fell asleep last night and had to finish watching the debate at 4:30am, while multi tasking for work, but did I hear McCain right in saying that we should let military personnel teach our children without having to take a competency test? Please tell me I did not hear that? If so then our resident non-com wanna be Corporal would think himself qualified to teach our kids Science the non-Scopes way. Oh, sorry, teacheth

By Mike

October 16, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Who cares. The media has gotten Obama to this point and they sure arent going to let McCain back into it.

Look for the media’s attack on McCain and puffery of Obama to continue up until the last second. They are not stupid. Unethical, but not stupid.

By Unfortunate

October 16, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Yes, it’s unfortunate that Obama will have to surround himself with knowledgeable and experienced people so that HE can run our country. GOD HELP US ALL.

By ByteMe

October 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

While watching last night in the early going, I was struck by how much stronger McCain was attacking. He was consistently on the offense and trying to control the outcome of each debate question by ensuring he talked all the way to the end of the discussion period (anyone else spot that? He didn’t want Obama to ever get in the last word).

And my comment to my wife after watching the way it went for the first half-hour was: it looks strong, but it’s going to become annoying to the average person.

As the debate went on, Obama had three basic expressions when he wasn’t talking: huge grin, shaking of the head in disagreement, and thoughtful watching of McCain’s statements/answers. McCain on the other hand, had trouble controlling his breathing, controlling his facial expressions, controlling his body movements. Just not in control, not calm. I remarked then that he looked like he was going to jump out of his skin at any moment.

And that will turn out to be the storyline of the debate: not the statements each made, but the body language that each showed when they were being attacked or when they were just sitting and listening.

I think McCain’s overall debate content came across stronger and he seemed to control the debate arguments, but he will be seen as an angry man who can’t control himself.

Unless there’s a game-changer… a bomb going off on US soil, for example… it’s over. No amount of mud is going to change the dynamics that have been in place for the past three weeks (since they were last tied in the polls). The economy isn’t going to see a miracle cure in the next 3 weeks. The stock market is going to gyrate wildly (as it does during bear markets).

Voters are going to punish the party in the White House. Obama wins.

By Bud Wiser

October 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

So GOPs got to go, what exactly is your definition of “multi tasking” for work? Is it sweeping and dusting at the same time, washing and drying dishes, what is it?

And the apparent bent you have against religion, I bet if you have kids, they’ll turn out to be real neighborhood assets, yes sir. No moral compass guidance, or the apparent atheistic leanings you have though, makes them candidates to be good Democrats, since we all know that character doesn’t matter to you trolls.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Obama won last night.

It’s hard for the radical right to come to terms with it, but it is critical to their rehabilitation.

By GOPs got to go

October 16, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Make up your Mind LOL

Poor try dude, why not revert to “Gays are trying to get married over there” or the good old standard “Look some one is burning the flag and not wearing a pin on their lapel”

LOL

By Just_Me

October 16, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Re: “Joe the Plumber:” Of course the media had to go dig him up and splash him around.

From what I hear, he’s not registered to vote…interesting….

I can see why McCain can relate to him; apparently Joe the Plumber and his brother are in the septic business….

By Nobama

October 16, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Bill Ayers..Non controversy? All of Obamas associations are controversial. He would not be where he is today if the liberal media actually reported the truth. However, I realize that the Obama supporters would vote for him even if the truth was known. All of you people are going to regret it if he gets elected and his hidden agenda is revealed.

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

“did I hear McCain right in saying that we should let military personnel teach our children without having to take a competency test?”

GOP’s got, yes, that’s what you heard, and I cringed when I heard it. I was thinking, John, you have a solid point to make, this sounds like a good program you were behind, but the way you sold it, it sounds like you’re going to let literally untested individuals become teachers.

I’m sure it’s got some kind of checks/balances to prevent that from happening, but he did a dreadful job of explaining what should’ve been a solid accomplishment. Who doesn’t want returning soldiers to have job opportunities? Who wouldn’t want our government to bend over backwards to make that happen?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

Oh and by the way…..that Joe the Plumber deal…..

seems he may not be who he says he is….

I’m sure will hear more as the day goes on.

By RichieB

October 16, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

This was probably McCain’s best debate. The Republicans will claim victory as will the Democrats. However, the key to this election is the independents, like myself, and they favored Obama in every poll. McCain once again displayed a snarly and angry temperament and tried his best to distort Obama’s policies. And even though he said he couldn’t care less about a washed up terrorist he continued to carry on about Ayers. Here’s a memo to the McCain camp, the independents don’t care about Ayers. We are concerned about the economy, jobs, fair trade agreements and health care.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Yes, it’s unfortunate that John McSame will try to rule America like a dictator — not taking advice from anyone other than KKKarl Rover’s minions.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

I was disappointed in Obama last night in that he did not bring up the fact that one of McSame’s advisors was formerly a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein — no spin, just fact right there. Obama could’ve stomped McSame’s face further into the ground just by bringing that to the right-wingnuts’ attention.

By T.J.

October 16, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

I saw an independent poll group who all said Obama won the debate. One man who agreed said he would not vote for Obama because he didn’t trust him. Four undecideds decided on Obama. The rest remained undecided. Why?

My guess is because they were average Joes who identified with the plumber guy. The average Joes who are too smart to be impressed with his eloquent bs.

They don’t trust his impossible promises. They don’t trust the man.

By "The Corporal"

October 16, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

To GOPs got to go

I remind you that at a time when the greatest scientific minds in the world said the earth was on the back of an elephant, or was held up by Atlas, or held up by four pillars, etc., etc. that in the oldest book of the Bible (Job) it says ……..

He hangeth the earth upon nothing.

It also says ……..

“He created the heavens and continues to stretch them out”.

Hummmmm …….. the modern theory of the continuing expansion of the universe.

Interesting.

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

GOPs got to go,

Yes, you heard that. I watched the debate on CNN and when he said that, the little “approval lines” almost bottomed out.

That was one of the times last night when I was like, “WHOA, you’ve got to be kidding old man.”

There were a couple of times last night when I thought McCain’s head was going to explode. I don’t know about the other channels, but CNN had them side by side on the screen and McCain looked like he was going to absolutely burst a couple of times.

Did anyone notice how he looked when Obama said that about his “fine” would be ZERO. He looked like he had just seen the ghost of Christmas past. Hilarious!

Nobama,

Yeah, that whole smiling thing sucks doesn’t it. Better smiling than looking like a corpse when Obama answered. Really grasping there, huh.

By TW

October 16, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

C’mon, Jay. You know silly things like facts and numbers don’t play well in the red states…

By Pierce Randall

October 16, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

McCain’s worst mistake last night was saying that he is not Bush, and playing it like a significant one-liner. People hear “not” poorly — it’s a mental processing thing. They hear “Proposition: McCain is Bush. -Not” Saying something to refute it isn’t just putting the idea in people’s heads; it’s repetition that buries you.

By Dr. R

October 16, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Where’s Jed Bartlet when you need him? Right, left, middle … what we need is a president with iron balls, a curious mind and a big heart. I guess that’s a tall order in today’s political world. But I’m holding out for the right guy someday. Anybody else wish Mike Bloomberg were running after all?

By RichieB

October 16, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Joe the Plumber needs to go get an agent and cash in. Perhaps I need to change professions and become a plumber so I can make some big money.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

hillbilly ragger….

yep that’s what you heard. Can you imagine the corporal teaching?

I heard “”“”Health”“” of the mother….

Is McCain saying that the government should make that “”“”Health of the mother”“” call - not a woman and her Doctor?

How Schiavo-esque!

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Wrong, AnalNote. Your assessment is so far off base, you are starting to remind me of corporal. That line about Bush equated to McCain grabbing his right hand with his left and slapping himself, repeatedly, while reciting the line I lost to Bush, I lost to Bush… It added no one to his merry clan beyond his already established baseline of incompetent trickled-on Reaganites. Of course, if you consider that such a comment likely did not drive off any more of his Republican die-hard followers (such as Dusty, corporal, or Andy), then you might consider that an accomplishment — or, not.

By dee

October 16, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Obama doesnt have all the experience I would like him to have but I can’t vote for another person who can’t control his mouth or his emotions. I can see John Mccain so clearly saying and doing something to put us at odds with our allies again. America is bad a* but we need back up. We can’t do it alone

By mscutie78

October 16, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Unfortunate - you’re an idiot sir! Every President has a group of advisors and something commonly referred to the Cabinet to help advise the President on matters concerning our country.

By mscutie78

October 16, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Unfortunate - you’re an idiot sir! Every President has a group of advisors and something commonly referred to as the Cabinet to help advise the President on matters concerning our country.

By RW-(the original)

October 16, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

Joe the Plumber could be the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan, but unless you can prove he’s a ventriloquist you still have Karl Obama saying he wants to spread the wealth around.

Off to the forest!

See y’all upstairs at happy hour.

By annie

October 16, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Did you all notice how McCain could not control himself last night - he was rude and constantly interrupting Obama. Makes you wonder if he cannot even control his emotions to allow his opponent to answer questions - how will he do against other world leaders and even the American people. If he doesn’t like what he hears - is he just going to talk over them and burst out in anger?? Makes you wonder…

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

RW

We don’t have to prove he’s Edgar Bergen…we just have to show that he’s Charlie McCarthy!

Spreading the wealth around is a good thing!

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

McCain’s demeanor wasn’t presidential. Reminded me of (W)imp Bush.

Obama clearly wants to invest in America; not Iraq, Japan or So. Korea.

On the economy, health care and education Obama won hands down.

McCain was too emotional; eyes blinking rapidly, and seemed to be on the verge of tearing up. He seemed to sense his chances were slipping away.

Latest Electoral College map.

By lrd

October 16, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

McCain lost to Bush, because Bush’s attack machine destroyed McCain in SC using racially slurred attacks. In 2008, McCain now hires the same people that destroyed him in order to go after Obama. Is that honor?

My issue, McCain keeps saying no spending, no big government etc.. then the sentence before and after that, he touts bailing out mortgages.. and I would guess that would cost you, me, everyone that pays taxes. And then to a point last night blog, where do we then get the money to pay for the bailout, iraq/afghanistan, and now buying peoples houses?
And is it not a bad habit to teach business’s in a capitalist economy that dont worry, big daddy government is here to bail you out. So Delta, GM, Ford, etc.. dont worry about bad products or services, cuz good ole govt will bail you out. The Great American Sellout… AKA Rome is burning

By Just Saying

October 16, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

I do not want a President that can not keep his composure under pressure. If he can’t hold his composure on TV with the world watching how do you think he will do behind closed doors with both houses in Washington and world leaders? We have clearly seen the distain look on McCain’s face he and Barack debate. It has been a hard pill to swallow for McCain because he can’t believe that he is losing to an African American in a Presidential race. When he was behind during the Republican race and during the Republican debates, you never saw this look on his face!!! This has been McCain’s down fall along with his negative character attacks during the debates and the campaign. For an African American male to reach the position that Barack has in his life and to finish top of his class in one of this country’s most prestigious schools, he had to work very hard to reach this status. We need an intelligent, vibrant, hard working, calm under pressure President in the white house during these times. Someone that is familiar with burning the midnight oil to reach goals. We don’t need someone that has cut his teeth on old politics. We need new leadership which has been evident in the debates that we have witnessed. It’s been a hard pill to swallow for a lot of White Americans because they can clearly see who is the best person to lead this country but they rather side with old politics. After this debate the polls have began to shifting because a lot of Americans are not looking at Black or White, they are looking at less “Green”. Barack is a first round franchise player, that comes with a very capable back-up were as McCain is an old politician that comes with Republican Puppet and he has been trained under Republican rule for so long that he finding it hard to adapt to new real world challenges. This is very evident by him losing these debates. He can’t win a debate, he can’t even win a debate!!!! How in the world can he win as President if he can’t win a simple debate on present day pressing issues that concerns most Americans then why would you want him as a President???? “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, if that was the case then McCain would be leading the polls. But people, “it’s broke”, and that’s why Americans are looking at Barack and his team to fix it.

By Truth

October 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Spreading the wealth around is a good thing!

You have got to be kidding me. Where in the constitution does it give the government the right to take my money and spread it around as it pleases?

By Dr. R

October 16, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Yeah, I’m a reformed Republican and I like McCain on a lot of different levels. But like some of his colleagues who worry about his temper, I can’t picture him in the Oval at this point. I worry that he won’t listen to key advisors often enough, kinda like during the campaign. He’s off on his own, doing his own thing, while the campaign is going in a different direction. If that were to happen in office, it would be a mess. Not sure if Obama is all that “presidential” either, but then again I’m not sure what that means. Different men have different styles … Truman, Reagan, Eisenhower. What matters is that they’re genuine, comfortable in their own skin. I can put up with a lot but not a phony.

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 8:59 AM

The rest of us need to kick in our “fair share” as well

By Paul

October 16, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Jay

Earlier, you defined a lie as a falsehood told with the intent to deceive.

When questioned about ACORN, Sen Obama stated “The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

The “only” involvement? Question: Did Sen Obama lie in his answer?

By mscutie78

October 16, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Just Saying…very nice post!! I would like to add however that Barack Obama is biracial and therefore represents a vast majority of our population - black and white. I’m sure people here in GA will not vote for Obama because they deem him to be ‘Black’ but I think those votes are minuscule in the grand scheme of things.

By wouldn't you like to know

October 16, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Obama for change in 08!

By Swami Dave

October 16, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

I watched the debate. McCain made some good points, but Obama is playing to run out the clock. He committed no massive gaffes and largely did no harm to himself.

For all of McCain’s points, the biggest issue that I have with him is that he doesn’t finish. He raised an issue, made a point, listened to a response, and never followed up. Whether it is because he can’t or doesn’t want to; it leaves viewers with a perception that the question is answered.

In the end, should Senator McCain lose this election - the blame does not go to the economy, Sarah Palin, or any of the other reason. It falls squarely upon the Senator himself.

-Swami Dave

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

The trickled-on economics of the past 8 years clearly has not worked for America. John McSame will only continue to give the biggest tax breaks and corporate welfare to the wealthiest Americans if he is elected and he’ll claim just like W did that his policies will create jobs — so where have the jobs gone for the past 8 years???

The Repugnant Party’s trickled-on theories have been used several times during the past 2 decades, and they clearly do not create the jobs we need in America! But now, jobs created overseas? Oh yes, that’s what happens when the wealthiest corporations and businesses are given more tax cuts and free rein to do as they please with their corporate welfare benefits given to them.

John McSame — Unfit To Be President.

By chuck

October 16, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

CB

Barak Obama was articulate, consistent in message and reassuring that he is ready and able to become President.

Yes Obama LOOKS ready to become President. He has the calm demeanor that you look for in a President, BUT THEN ONE LITTLE THING GETS IN THE WAY. He ISN’T READY to become President, except maybe in Kenya or Italy.

Have any of you looked at his VOTING RECORD?!?! If mainstream America was actually paying attention, they would see that they disagree with his positions on almost every issue. Less than 20% of the American people identify themselves as “Liberal”, yet we are on the verge of electing the most liberal person in the Senate…BECAUSE HE FREAKING LOOKS PRESIDENTIAL?!?

Here’s an example: Obama said recently that we are in the worst econnomic crisis since the Great Depression. He’s been saying this for weeks, yet in this mornings paper, experts have not even determined that we are in a recession. They said we MAY be in a recession or on the verge of a recession. I guess Obama was just 8 during the Carter years too.

Now if the economic indicators have been showing a sluggish economy, and they have, that’s one thing. This “panic” however, is MEDIA DRIVEN. So much of the economy is based on consumer CONFIDENCE. I find it just a little bit unnerving to think that the headlines these last few weeks have led us to believe that the economy was MUCH worse than was actually the case, and that these VERY HEADLINES have had a definite impact on this Presidential election. I think that they have also led to a decrease in consumer confidence which has further degraded the economy. Funny how all of these CRISES began occurring just as McCain started pulling ahead in the polls.

It’s a shame to think that the democrats would work to hurt our country just so they could win this election, but I honestly believe that they would do just that…and the American people are letting them get away with it.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Truth

It doesn’t. Good boy!

It also doesn’t require love, kindness, fidelity, wisdom, generousity, empathy, education or talent.

Those are all good things.

However, I stand by spreading the wealth around being a good thing.

I believe in raising the level of the water so all boats can float.

By bob

October 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

McCain is nothing but a hypocrate. He also has very strong connections to undesirable people—Keating for example. Ans was a memebr of an extremist right-wing group as well. Palin, has no qualifications for VP, but Obama didn’t even have to say that as anyone possessing any intteligence at all can see that. The fact is that Barack Obama is to classy to stoop to the negative tactics that McCain seems to enjoy.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Do 30% of Americans look at the face of John McSame and really believe that he has the face of a leader taking America into the future??? Good grief.

By gttim

October 16, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

McCain wasn’t wearing a flag pin? Why aren’t the wingnuts all over this issue! Why does McCain hate America and refuse to wear a flag pin?

By Bill Mack

October 16, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

The general tone of responses make it very clear what kind of people read Jay Bookman—unrepentent liberals. Never read such hogwash in my life.

By Bill Mack

October 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

The general tone of responses make it very clear what kind of people read Jay Bookman—unrepentent liberals. Never read such hogwash in my life.

By Paul

October 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Goldie

[[However, I stand by spreading the wealth around being a good thing.]]

To many people in this country, you are much, much better off financially than they are.

Even if not required by the tax code, come April 15, will you voluntarily send in, say, $2000 (or pick your own number) with a note that says “please forward to someone who earns less than I do?”

Or does “spreading the wealth” apply only to those who make more than you?

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

We need for all you over-taxed, flag-waving, patriotic Bush-apologists to spend some of that money he saved you by recklessly cutting taxes and increasing spending to keep the economy limping along until we get someone in the Oval Office that can balance a check book and prioritize.

Are you better off than you were 7 years, 8 months and 27 days ago?

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Well, AnalyticMusicalNote, I might just agree with you about McCain’s “not Bush” line being his best one in all three debates but I seem to recall that you originally pushed for America loving the great one-liners and that line was it. That being the case, I still would disagree. Unfortunately, I could not find your earlier post to check that out. Did I overlook it or did you upset the host…or….

By Tray

October 16, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Simple point:

I want McCain to win.

McCain will not get elected, Obama will.

Americans and Taxpayers will lose.

I’ll enjoy rubbing it in the Dems face when our country sucks because of them 4 to 8 years from now-if there’s even a country left.

By E

October 16, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

The old McCain: Maverick

The new McCain: Rebel Without a Brain

Obama/Biden ‘08

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

No Joe “the Plumber” licensed in Ohio or registered to vote…..

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G, you ask “Is McCain saying that the government should make that “”“”Health of the mother”“” call - not a woman and her Doctor?”

It’s really much worse than that. This is — really no other way to categorize it — an extremist anti-abortion position. The idea is that with late-term abortions, it’s not enough for the right-wing extremists to allow an exception for the mother’s health; she’s got to be able to prove she’s definitely gonna die unless the late term abortion takes place.

I’m sure some in here will take exception to my depiction of this view, but in the practical world, that’s how it will be discussed. McCain was scoffing at the notion that the mere “health” of a pregnant woman was sufficient grounds to merit a late-term abortion.

I imagine there are some in here who concur, but I doubt a significant percentage of undecided voters feel that way.

Oh, and he went to that silly “spread the wealth” well twice, which was at least one time too many. Most voters don’t have a visceral disgust of the concept the way that righties do.

By Ray

October 16, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Ms G,

Spoken like a true Democrat. “Spreading the wealth around is a good thing”. Spreading the wealth around creates a generation of people sitting on their front porch popping their first beer at 7:00AM….. something that GOPs Got to Go and you just don’t get. Give someone something for nothing and they will rapidly figure out that that something that is given to them without any effort on their part is an entitlement. It requires no effort, hard work, dedication or honesty. And if they keep voting for the right people, it will continue and perpetuate the dream from one generation to another. The Annointed One has no plans to change this sorry state of affairs. Why shoot your voting base in the foot? Continue to walk over Edmund Pettis bridge every year with John Lewis and his victims who are living in a very bygone era but don’t encourage self sufficiency, self reliance or accomplishment. No, we couldn’t do that could we? Pass me another Bud.

By Analchemy

October 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Anal, you are now banned from this blog. If you try to post here again, I will take steps to have you banned from all AJC blogs, not just this one.

• Jay

By annie

October 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Bill Mack don’t be upset that your erratic - emotional and out of touch candidate cannot brainwash the rest of us as he has done to you. McCain will not close the deal just like he couldn’t get it done in 2000 and 2004 - his time has long passed - it’s about time you realize that. McCain has had 26 years to make a difference in this country and he has failed to do so - how can we expect him to make a difference in 4 or 8 years?

By Truth

October 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

*However, I stand by spreading the wealth around being a good thing.

I believe in raising the level of the water so all boats can float.*

Sooooo you want to change the constitution to spread wealth. Unbelievable!

By next prez

October 16, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

I think McCain learned a lot from Palin along the campaign trail. He must admire her a lot! He was responding to questions the way she does, evasively and inacurately, favoring form over substance … Obama was clear, precise and, yes, PRESIDENTIAL! Barack Obama, the next president of the United States.

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Ray, is your “7am beer” guy the same as Ronnie Raygun’s “Cadillac Welfare Queen?”

And speaking of fictional characters—anyone want to wager that the crack McCain Vetting Team did about as good a job casing “Joe the Plumber“‘s bona fides as they did Caribou Barbie’s, prior to picking up that ball and running with it?

By T

October 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

FYI just a little info about McCains statement about military personnel becoming teachers. There is already a simular program in place. So, I don’t know exactly what fe is refering to. No, private Joe Snuffy just can’t walk into the education system.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

There are ways to spread the wealth that are good.

There are ways to spread the wealth that are bad and illegal….

Report Details Bush Officials’ Partisan Trips House Panel Finds Federal Appointees Attended Many Events on Taxpayers’ Dime

By chuck

October 16, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Here’s another Obama lie. He says that 95% of all American families will receive a TAX CUT under his plan.

Tell me pleas how this can be true when fully 33% of the families in America pay ABSOLUTELY NO TAXES. In other words, how do you cut the taxes of people who pay no taxes? What you don’t understand is that not only will they continue to pay no taxes, the government will actually take money from my family AND WRITE THEM A FREAKING CHECK!?!

By Paul

October 16, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Ray - hillbilly ragger

The major change with Sen Obama’s “tax cut for 95%” is that it would send checks, sourced from fellow citizens, to people who are average income earners. Not poverty level. Not on welfare. Average households.

By Paul

October 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Chuck

According to an earlier thread by Jay, it’s because all people who earn wages pay Social Security tax.

Really. That’s the argument.

And, I suppose if they don’t earn income and pay social security tax, like the hedge fund guys whose income is taxed at the low capital gains rate, I guess it’s because when the buy stuff they pay sales tax.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Even if not required by the tax code, come April 15, will you voluntarily send in, say, $2000 (or pick your own number) with a note that says “please forward to someone who earns less than I do?”

Paul — I wasn’t the one who commented about spreading the wealth, but you are forgiven for confusing me with another intelligent blogger here.

And as far as your suggestion about sending in payment to the IRS: Why yes, I believe we all should be able to designate how our tax dollars are to be applied.

For example, my note to the IRS might say: “Absolutely DO NOT apply my $2,000 to the corporate welfare beneficiaries that are making BILLIONS OF $$$ PROFIT already off of the American taxpayer. And also, absolutely DO NOT apply my $2,000 payment to any misguided and reckless efforts to support regime change in hostile countries around the world.”

Thanks for asking, Paul — I believe a lot of our problems could be resolved if we were able to apply our tax payments where we want to see them applied.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

I’ll enjoy rubbing it in the Dems face when our country sucks because of them 4 to 8 years from now

Tray— so you have no problem with how our country has already sucked for the past 8 years? You want more sucking for America??? Good grief.

By Ray

October 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Things I would like to hear the Annointed One say……

John Lewis…. Congressman Lewis, possibly you could show up in your district at about 2:00AM on some street corner, among the crack dealers, prostitutes and gang members who populate that district and vote for you every election because you are some kind of “icon”. Maybe it might dawn on you that more black males are killed in your district due to drug sales, gangland turf battles, etc. than were killed in Iraq last year.

Maxine Waters…. Representative Waters, quit fawning over Franklin Raines. You almost got down on your knees and gave this clown a BJ for his efforts in bankrupting Fannie Mae. You and the Congressional Black Caucus have no business crediting a person who committed fraud, cooking the books for a 190M parachute and causing the demise of a large federally backed financial institution, leaving America holding the bag.

Franklin Raines…. Mr. Raines, you belong in jail, along with the rest of the incompetent crooks that fleeced the system. Even though I am black and you are a black man, you are a sorry excuse for a human being and deserve none of that money that you scammed the taxpayer for.

The Butt Pilot…. Franks, you and your Committee were complicit in one of the most fraudulent, misdirected scams in the history of this country. You and your Committee should step down and show that you have at least some integrity.

To the American Public….. I will be glad to open my school records from Harvard, Columbia, Punahou HS in Hawaii. I will be glad to produce a valid, genuine birth certificate to show that I am indeed a natural born American and qualified to run for this office.

We can all dream, can’t we.

By Terrence

October 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

I knew exactly what McCain was talking about with his troops to teach program. A bachelor’s degree is required. Contrary to what libs believe about our troops, many of them have a bachelors degree. McCain failed to elaborate. Any bachelors degree that is not in education can be expanded through additional study gaining them a teaching certificate. Troops trained in military discipline are needed in our classrooms where parental discipline is lacking.

Nice try T. It pays to be ahead of the learning curve to better understand.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

BTW, Paul — can you tell me where thousand and thousands of Americans’ jobs have gone during the past 8 years, if your “trickled-on economics” has been in play for that same period of time???

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

There are ways to spread the wealth that are good.

There are ways to spread the wealth that are bad and illegal….

Right on, Mrs. G. The sad thing is that the Republican party tries to treat shades of gray as black and white. Hence, the mess they made of our economy, for example, with their insistence on having an unregulated CDS market and the Enron loophole, etc. Sheer stupidity on the part of Republicans and yet they still cling to it. It’s insane.

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Chuck, Paul’s said this nicely than I will, but…do we all have to kick you to the curb on your “absolutely no taxes” lie? Do we have to once again patiently explain that FICA withholdings start with the first penny earned, and that virtually every American worker is, in fact, paying taxes—particularly when you factor in that surplus FICA is financing a chunk of the current expenditures?

Beyond this—do you righties have any idea how lame this line of argument really is with normal Americans? every time you pull some percentage of the population out of your butt and claim they “don’t qualify to pay Real American INCOME TAXES (which we hate paying, and think is evil and SOCIALIST! but never mind that)” — you are reminding folks just how many Americans are making crappy wages, so crappy in fact they don’t even hit the bottom of the income tax brackets.

You really think it’s a good idea to remind everyone about that?

By Just saying

October 16, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

So “Truth” apparently you have a problem with Oil Companies, Big business and people in a tax bracket that’s above average wages paying a little more taxes. Believe me, if you or “Joe the plumber” are making 250k, it will be shear ignorance on your part not to have tax right-offs and tax shelters to offset some of your taxes. The percentage of increase will be minimum on each individual in that bracket but will help in putting this country back on track. We are in a financial war trying to get this country back on track…those who are capable should help, and those who can’t, can’t. I’m in the “can’t category” but if I was in the can, then I will do my part. Surely with 250G’s coming in “if I had it” I would do it with a smile. The government has the right to “Tax”…where have you been. It’s taxation without representation that’s unconstitutional. If it’s to share the wealth and build this country then so be it. I’d rather the taxes build this country and not go to foreign soil. I think it’s harder for some people to agree with this but not hard for me knowing that my ancestors worked for free and even up to my grand mother who worked at Grady Hospital for lower wages because of her race. That means that my family has become accustom to spreading the wealth in America. Sorry you are not use to it!

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

I wonder how W’s schemes for “regime change” in the Middle East would have ever occurred if Americans were able to designate their tax $$$ to pay for his wars?

How many Repug trolls here on this blog are willing to give more and more of their tax $$$ to finally support their ideals for “spreading democracy throughout the world”, instead of bankrupting America by not funding their war-mongering ideals???

Show of keyboards, please — how many trolls are willing to start paying for their desired never-ending wars and occupations of foreign countries? Or is it all about continuing to bankrupt America with your wars???

By Paul

October 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Hi Goldie!

You are correct, that was my mistake. Apologies for that.

So Mrs. Godzilla, the question is for you, if you don’t mind.

Goldie, my remark wasn’t about designating where our taxes should go.

It was, once the tax liability has been computed, will those who think ‘spreading the wealth around’ as Sen Obama explained to Joe - will those people send in an additional $N? Or is this just another case where the application of the concept applies only to other people?

Regarding your question of “my trickle down jobs” - when have I ever said I subscribe to such a theory?

By Truth

October 16, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Looks like Taxpayer wants to change the constitution to spread wealth as well. Typical Democrat…..

By lrd

October 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Ray, lets see Lewis has Edge and Candler/Inman. talk about opposite sides of the same coin. However the Edge is coming back..I see the change every day. And again, Lewis was beaten, jailed, humiliated etc.. while fighting for the rights he is legally given under the US constitution. Rights that others wished to take away from him because of his skin color.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Taxes though: How about us folks caught in the AMT Tax? I not only pay taxes, but get caught in a purgatory of a loophole.. that loophole needs to be closed..

By Tom

October 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

With each passing hour, Fighter-Pilot-Hero-McNasty, Palin, Joe SixPack, and Joe The Plummer look more and more like the local characters from “DELIVERANCE.”

By Swami Dave

October 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly:

Unfortunately, you are probably correct that too many Americans do not have a visceral reaction to any politican who proposes the failed ideals and policies of the marxist standard. Such Americans have surrendered their opportunity and freedom for the ideal of entitlement.

American, as a nation, would be much better off if the dependent classes would quit electing leaders to legislatively steal from their productive neighbors and instead build success and wealth for themselves. The “share the wealth” bunk rewards dependency and absolves entire groups of Americans from their obligation to manage the affairs of their own lives.

This philosophy is a historic failure everywhere it has been tried and will continue to be. That organic fact is based simply on the reality that for things to work, you have to. In the case of marxism (“share the wealth”….i.e. income redistribution), it doesn’t work because they don’t.

The truly sad result is that curses those it claims to help to lifetimes of poverty and dependence.

-Swami Dave

By E

October 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Obama just amazes me each time I see him. He always keeps his cool, whereas McCain looks like he’s going to blow at any second.

I also noticed last night how McCain relished the opportunity to attack Joe Biden. One attack after another, which was in striking contrast to Obama’s statement that he would let the American people decide if Palin is qualified to be president.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By Ray

October 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I am directing my accountant to contact you and all who believe like you so that you can be responsible for all of the welfare scams and entitlement fiasco that is perpetrated on the tax paying public. I will be glad to fund the wars, you fund all of the fraud, misdirected gifts to those who don’t deserve it and keep every generation tied to the entitlement teat. Wonder who would come out on top? If you want to keep paying for Jamal’s next 12pack, be my guest.

By T

October 16, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Terrence

lol. Well sweetness, if you followed the link it states just that. I was simply stating that the average soldier cannot simply walk into the education system.

Now, if McCain would have elaborated more people would have understood his point. I was not McCain bashing. Previous posts were curious to how this would work. So, here it is again.

Thanks for playing.

By AmVet

October 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Every network has their share of dufuses, to be sure.

But Frank Lutnz is a total mess!

How did he get that job?

is he Bill O’Reilly’s “slow” nephew or Carl Cameron’s good looking cousin???

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Anybody? OK— how about: Anybody willing to support McSame’s future war-mongering ideals with the appropriate increases in tax funding? Anybody? Or do you just want to continue with W’s plans to bankrupt America by not increasing taxes during your chosen war-time, and instead borrowing BILLIONS OF $$$ from China and Russia?

Why do the tax-hating Repugs hate America so much that they’re willing to continue W’s bankrupting ways???

By chuck

October 16, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

FICA is not a tax Hillbilly. Maybe a toothless backwoods illiterate like yourself should look it up before you make such broad and baseless statements.

FICA stands for Federal INSURANCE CONTRIBUTIONS Act. It is a forced BENEFITS program. In any event, I don’t think that Obama is going to be cutting their FICA contributions, so it is still a LIE.

People make “crappy wages” because of the choices they have made in life. Many of these poor choices have been encouraged by you “lefties” who don’t believe in personal responsibility, hard work, and perseverence. France FINALLY saw the error in promulgating such a system and elected a conservative. It’s only a matter of time before working Americans wake up and do the same.

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

I like the Constitution the way it was, truth. Would you please tell Bush to leave it alone. Now, regarding the concept of wealth distribution, if someone steals from others and hordes those spoils to himself or herself, then someone needs to go to that person and kick his or her rear end around and take those ill-gotten gains and distribute them back out to the rightful owners. Some of these financial wizards on wall street figured out some really clever and sneaky ways to rob people and some of them have been caught and punished — Ken Lay and the infamous Enron effect, compliments of Phil Gramm, comes to mind. In that case Mr. Lay paid the ultimate price but Phil Gramm is still roaming free purely because there is no law protecting us from such arrogant and despicable creatures. Just because no law currently exists though is no indication that a law is not needed. Maybe, just maybe, we can put some new people in office to right some of those wrongs. Then again, maybe you think that getting trickled on is perfectly acceptable. If so, feel free to enjoy that warm yellow rain but don’t expect everyone else to do the same.

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Swami, since you addressed me directly…

you continue to fling phrases like “marxist standard” and “historic failure” around as if they’re supposed to stand for something beyond what you imagine them to be at a given moment. They don’t.

You seem to be operating in a vacuum, believing in a Libertarian paradise that doesn’t exist, wherein successful industrialized nations prosper and compete without providing government-sponsored services beyond some basic “protect borders with heap-big-strong-Army” mandate. THEY DON’T.

You keep jabbering about those who “legislatively steal from their productive neighbors” as if there was anything even remotely wrong or controversial with having publicly funded healthcare insurance, education, and R&D. THERE ISN’T.

You want to see “lifetimes of poverty and dependence?” Look at what your conservative leaders have wrought, in this very country, by bankrupting it and leaving a giant mess for responsible adults to clean up.

By gttim

October 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

As it turns out Joe-the-plumber not only is not registered to vote, but he also is not registered to be a plumber in his state. He also is not a undecided voter. He told Couric that the debate did not change his mind, and he was planning on voting for the the same person. The guy was in the bag for McCain and was probably a plant by the McCain campaign.

By Truth

October 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Rightful owners? I have earned every penny I get… How is that money anybody elses? You wealth envy is astonishing!

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I was thinking this morning about the national debt and how we are going to pay for programs, etc.

And I thought, I wish we were in debt because everyone had health care and we’ve fixed our roads/brides/water systems, had alternative energy infrastructures in place, protected our border, improved our schools, protected our ports/airports with more vigor, people had good jobs and retirement plans, and everyone had a fuzzy puppy or kitten to play with (just kidding with the puppy/kitten thing - no I’m not, yes I am, no I’m not, yes I am)

instead of being in debt because of an uneccessary war that has done nothing for us except ruin our reputation globally, and created more terrorist.

Sigh. I’m going to go play with my dog now.

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Good luck on getting a real answer from any of the “don’t tax me” Republican base. I doubt any of them have actually thought far enough ahead to realize that the Republican party’s credit card debt has to be paid — with interest.

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Then again, maybe you think that getting trickled on is perfectly acceptable.

Taxpayer — I think you nailed it. Where has America’s job market gone during the past 8 years with their trickled-on policies? And they want to continue the job losses and bank closings caused by their crummy ideas by voting for McSame? And all because they’ve become so comfortable feeling “that warm yellow rain”?

By hillbilly ragger

October 16, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Chuck @ 10.39, I’m well aware of what FICA is and stands for.

Your depiction of its benefits as “forced” tells everyone how you feel about playing with others—have you considered joining the Alaska Independence Party?

And if you want to demonize those who made allegedly “bad choices” and deserve to make crappy wages, by all means, have at it! I smell a winner, a game-changer, a come-from-behind meme for John McCain!

Insult the hell out of working poor, overtly! Hell, why not introduce a poll tax proposal while you’re at it—it’s what you dream of, isn’t it?

By Goldie

October 16, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 10:47 — well done, Dude!

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!

WHAT? ATLANTA MAY GET AN MLS TEAM?

Sorry for the outburst.

By Truth

October 16, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Ahhh… Taxpayer acting as a true libral elitest… If you dont think like a democrat then you must not be as smart as him/her.

By tell it to the troops

October 16, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

instead of being in debt because of an uneccessary war that has done nothing for us except ruin our reputation globally, and created more terrorist

By Ray

October 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Scenario….

Doorbell rings just as Goldie is getting ready for work…she opens the door and Jamal is standing there with his ride waiting for him at the curb. “I’m here for my 12 pack money. Could you hurry, Goldie, I got a really sweet thing in the back seat of my ride but I can’t get her turned on without some suds.”……. “Hey, thanks baby, I’ll be back tomorrow. You be here, won’t you?”

By lrd

October 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

We as Americans tend to forget we are financed on the backs of communists. That is right, Communist China is the main financier at the moment. That has to drive some folks batty, knowing that a Democracy/Capitalist has to go to a Communist country for money.

And it hs to drive others nuts knowing, that Americans do not want to pay for the increased outta hand spending of the last decade or so.

Fiscal and Individual responsiblity.. oh where have thou gone?

By Bud Lilly

October 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Let’s vote for the Human

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

chuck

October 16, 2008 10:39 AM

I resent that. I have every tooth in my mouth!

That depends on what your definiton of is, is.

We don’t all start out at the same place in life. Don’t be so judgemental. I’d bet you are in church every Sunday.

I like what Dave Ramsey says about wealth:

What is Dave’s “purpose” for “building wealth”?….1) Peace. 2) To be able to give A LOT of it away…

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

tell it to the troops,

Tell this to the American people:

You’re broke.

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Or, tell it to the troops,

You can tell this to the American people:

“You’re broke AND nobody likes you, will support you, or gives a crap if you fall into a black hole.”

Yeah, that’s better.

By Paul

October 16, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

G’morning, Bosch

I’d rather we had what you described without an increase in the debt.

Ain’t gonna happen.

Even without the war spending I believe the Bush Administration, with the agreement of both Dem and Rep Congresses, would have run up the debt. So much for Clinton’s legacy.

In this debate, as well as the last, my recollection is, when asked for specific cuts…

McCain was the one who answered. Obama didn’t. Well, he did offer up insurance company subsidies. But nothing that would affect a voter constituency.

By mm

October 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Pitiful how the wingnuts don’t want to share the wealth with their fellow Americans but they have no problem sharing their wealth with Iraq and all the corporations making billions off of the war.

By Swami Dave

October 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Hillybilly:

To assist your understanding since the words that I choose have meaning:

marxist standard: basic economic philosophy founded on their premise “from each according to ability; to each according to his need” historic failure: in every country in which marxism (or its illegitimate offspring) are tried, it fails. USSR, Cuba, Venezula, and even the United States (prior to Marx) where the Mayflower Compact originally dictated that all residents would work in a communal fashion to fill a “common store” from which all residents could take as they needed. Sir Walter Raleigh wisely ended that practice when he found that noone excelled or increased productivity when they had no incentive to enjoy the gain.

“You seem to be operating in a vacuum, believing in a Libertarian paradise that doesn’t exist, wherein successful industrialized nations prosper and compete without providing government-sponsored services…” -Unless I am confused, we are discussing income redistribution; not government services. But while we are there, I have no problem with the government providing services that are within the constructs of our Constitution. The other powers and roles are reserved to the states (or the people). That would be the 10th amendment.

We aren’t talking about health insurance, education, R&D. We are talking about income redistribution & Senator Obama’s “share the wealth” comments. And whether you admit it or not, it is wrong to take that which is owned by someone to give to someone else without returning anything of value. That is called theft whether you do it with a gun, a crowbar, or a piece of legislation. Raising taxes on those of greater means to give tax refunds (when many already pay no income taxes) to those of lesser means is stealing. No liberal shock or anger makes it anything else. Personally, I’d be more satisfied if you and Senator Obama just honestly admitted that you support the theft of earnings of the productive class to buy votes from the unproductive class.

And as for my statement about “lifetimes of poverty and dependence”. It is liberal policies that excuse people from the responsiblities of life and the advancement of themselves & their families that prevent many from advancing. Policies that support and expect productivity and excellence giving incentitive to advance are only problems for those who do not take advantage of them. Of benefit to society, when the many of them who could do better (but dont under liberal policies) actually succeed, there is a bigger pool from which to support those who try and fail.

As for our “giant mess”, that is largely the result of our elected leaders implementing compromise solutions that are hybrid merges of different philosophies (ex. cut taxes / increase spending). This is what happens when governance is carried out in a unitarian attitude of “some of this….some of that….but a little of that too”.

Freedom and opportunity works every time that it is tried. It works because you do. You fail for the obverse reason.

Thanks for the response. -Swami Dave

By chuck

October 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

First Hillbilly, it isn’t DEMONIZING, to tell the TRUTH. While it is true that some people fall into poverty through no fault of their own, the truth is that most are there because of poor choices. Some failed to take advantage of the FREE education offered to EVERY AMERICAN. Some decided that drugs and alcohol were cool. Some just decided that they were going to be lazy. NOBODY is forced to stay there. I grew up in poverty. As much as I loved my parents, and as hard as they worked, we were poor because neither of them finished high school and they loved to spend money they didn’t have instead of saving and investing. We always had the basic necessities because they worked hard. We never took a dime of charity from the government, though a member of our church did give my Dad an old car once when ours died. When we got back on our feet, my parents repaid that kindness many times over when others were in need.

The main difference between you lefties and us righties is that you look to government for solutions and we see them as the cause of many of the problems. Jefferson said it best:

“The government which governs best governs least.”

BTW, I don’t see where so many of you have the idea that those of us on the right are infatuated with President Bush. While I don’t HATE him like all of you seem to, I also disagree with many of the things he has done…especially in the past couple of years.

You lefties should LOVE him since for the past 2 years most of what he has proposed has been right out of the democrat playbook.

By Truth

October 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

What is pitiful is how Democrats think they have the right to give my money away to others. Why cant I give my money to people I feel need it?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Look at Hair Plugs attack the little guy:

VIDEO: Biden Takes Shot At Plumber’s Credibility…

Any business that takes in less than $250,000 per year will not be in business much longer.

Oblahma and Biden are so absolutely stupid and naive, they are confusing personal income with business income.

Mor-ons.

Freaking morons.

So now that these dimwits are at the $250,000 personal income subject, which is the profit that you take from your business, these morons can run around saying things like 98% percent of businesses make less than $250,000 a year.

But what get’s ravaged by Oblahma’s tax plan, that’s right, the actual business revenue which is going to be substantially more than $250,000 a year.

So Oblahma kills the business which pays the personal income, which will not be paying personal income for very long under Oblahma’s watch.

So which is it, are Obama bin Biden stupid or pathological liars?

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Truth,

What part of protecting us from modern-day pirates are you having difficulty comprehending. Please be more specific and I’ll try to help you through this topic.

By Paul

October 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

mm

My guess is, to many it isn’t a “I don’t want to share but I’m okay with corporate welfare” choice.

One is a new program, not yet instituted. The others are in place.

Given a choice, many would like to eliminate the existing programs, but realize there’s too much money and votes involved. So the attention turns to not having another giveaway instituted.

Remember, this isn’t about helping out just those in poverty or in need. It’s about transferring money to a good chunk of middle America,

Not a bad vote-buying scheme, actually -

By Truth

October 16, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

There you go again… Just how conceided are you? Do you spend housrs a day looking at yourself in the mirror?

By lrd

October 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Truth Who is the president that pushed thru a 700 billion tax payer financed bail out of wall street….. And who is now buying stock in banks, again using my tax money?

By Tax man

October 16, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

plumbers are rednecks. who cares?

By Truth

October 16, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

lard…. I said nothing about Bush. I didnt like the bailout so go toot another horn.

By lrd

October 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

TOOT: you hate government handouts and waste TOOT: the current govt is doing that exact thing TOOT Bush and CO are pushing it TOOT: where is the outrage directed to them? TOOT: Nah lets direct outrage against future potential could happen maybe scenarios. TOOT TOOT…
(couldnt resist)

By chuck

October 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

By mm

October 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Pitiful how the wingnuts don’t want to share the wealth with their fellow Americans but they have no problem sharing their wealth with Iraq and all the corporations making billions off of the war.

This kind of stupidty is why America is in danger of becoming a third world country.

First, If it is MY WEALTH, meaning that me and/or my family EARNED it, isn’t it and by right SHOULDN’T it be MY CHOICE as to how or even IF I “share” it? This isn’t about SHARING WEALTH. It’s about you STEALING the wealth of others (Thanks Swami Dave, my new hero) and giving it to people who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it.

Another common thread among lefties is the idea of “corporate welfare”. To me this is MIND BOGGLING. Here is a radical idea for you. Why don’t we eliminate ALL corporate taxes? We should not be TAXING CORPORATIONS AT ALL. First, corporations, big and small, provide the jobs that keep America strong. Second, what MOST people don’t understand is that corporate income is taxed TWICE. Corporations are taxed on PROFIT. Who OWNS these corporations? American citizens and their pension plans. When corporations distribute the PROFITS to the OWNERS in the form of DIVIDENDS, every person who got such a distribution has to pay taxes on it. These profits have already been taxed as CORPORATE income and now those same profits are being taxed as PERSONAL income. This is patently unfair. Though I’m not completely sod on the FAIR Tax plan, I do think we need to change our system of paying taxes. Either a consumption tax of some sort or a flat tax with no deductions would work best.

By Truth

October 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

lard… YOU brought up Bush… not me!

By Bosch

October 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I don’t see why everyone shouldn’t have a fuzzy kitten and puppy to play with and I’m so glad you like fuzzy kittens and puppies too! :-)

Ain’t gonna happen? You pessimist doo-doo head! Just kidding.

But I’d like for the next president - whoever it is - at least start WORKING on those things. Taking the $$$ out of Iraq, or not having to borrow so much from other countries, that’s a start.

Or hell, I would’t even care if we had to initially borrow some money from other countries if we used it here - for us, and not rebuilding some other country.

I think we need to send Iraq an invoice - but then again, if we did that, other countries might do the same for us, and then we’d all be big doo-doo heads, literally, because we’d be up to our heads in….well, you know.

By lrd

October 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

TOOT: I bring up corruption of spending my tax money..TOOT currently that is what is happening

ON corp welfare. I wish one of the candidates would simply state - If you do business with the American Govt or State and Local govt you cannot incorporate outside of the United States. (maybe a bit farfetched, but be nice to keep my tax dollars here in the US especially since my tax dollars are paying for work that those corp are doing for my government)

By lrd

October 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

TOOT: I bring up corruption of spending my tax money..TOOT currently that is what is happening
Toot: sorry again, cannot resist on the horn

ON corp welfare. I wish one of the candidates would simply state - If you do business with the American Govt or State and Local govt you cannot incorporate outside of the United States. (maybe a bit farfetched, but be nice to keep my tax dollars here in the US especially since my tax dollars are paying for work that those corp are doing for my government)

By Truth

October 16, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Then what is your beef with me?

By Copyleft

October 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Truth and Mrs. G:

Where in the constitution does it give the government the right to take my money and spread it around as it pleases?

Actually, it does. Article 1, Section 8: “Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes.”

By lrd

October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Toot: Stated What is pitiful is how Democrats think they have the right to give my money away to others. Toot: I am pointing out that is what W is doing right now Toot: our money being mismanaged yet again TOOT: Until we have fiscal responsibility, we will continue to be financed by communists TOOT: No beef with you, personally. just having some fun

By Just_Me

October 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Ray

You keep using the term “Jamal Six-Pack.” Hon, is that CODE for….gasp!…a BLACK MAN??? After all, how many white Jamals can you name?

say what you mean, stop hiding.

BTW: most of the welfare frauds that have been exposed in my lovely southern metro county would be named, “joe, jeannie, susie, john…” the kids at our school who SHOULDN’T be on free/reduced lunch but ARE? Not a Jamal among them…but you betcha…..!

Don’t speak in code. be a man enough to say what you feel-are you afraid you’ll be called the dreaded “r” word????

By Just_Me

October 16, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Ird— My goodness…just how much money HAVE you that you are so worried you’ll be penniless when the big, bad, ol’ “gover-mint’ is done with ya????

I wish I had that kind of money to worry about…LOL

By chuck

October 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

As I was saying earlier, these are Obama’s positions on issues. The vast majority of Americans would not agree with most of the items on this list. Why would anyone vote for him?

He voted for partial birth abortion.

He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government (quotas)..

In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing as being too severe.

Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair.

Admitted his use of marijuana and cocaine in high school and in college.

His religious convictions are very murky.

He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations. Why?

Opposed the Patriot Act.

First bill he signed that was ever passed was campaign finance reform.

Voted to allow law suits against gun manufacturers.

Supports universal GOVERNMENT health-care.

Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

Supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.

Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.(AMNESTY)

Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

Wants to make the minimum wage a ‘living wage’.

Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes. (241 votes Demo, 10 votes Republican)

Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of money paid into Soc. Sec.

He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax which now hits middle income brackets. Tax Increase.

He voted No on repealing the ‘Death’ Tax. Tax Increase.

He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax. Tax Increase.

Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded…which is not true.

He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Joe the Plumber disappointed in debate.

By Paul

October 16, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Care to guess the odds of passage when the next President does his ‘line by line’ examination of the budget, finds the programs he wants to cut and sends the recommendations to Congress?

BTW

Guy has a leak under his sink. Calls a plumber. Plumber crawls under the sink, works a bit then comes out and announces “all done. That’ll be $125.” The guy yells “$125?!!? You weren’t here even ten minutes! I’m a doctor and I don’t make that kind of money!” Plumber says “Neither did I when I was a doctor.”

Badda bing badda bum.

New thread time.

By lrd

October 16, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

Toot: Just Me, I was quote what Truth had said. Toot: watching the mkt. I can tell you later today on the finances.. Toot: Bought some stocks again.. sitting on some for future investements. Toot Risky.. maybe.. but right now, some good companies with very historically low prices

By Copyleft

October 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Chuck: Thank you for listing all those excellent reasons to vote for President Obama.

Are you saying you DON’T like those positions? Then I’m afraid you’re out of touch with mainstream America.

By Shawny

October 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Thank you Chuck, for listing why NOT to vote for Obama. CL…please cite which of those you agree with. I and many others would surely vote the opposite of the way that the annointed one voted.

By Richard

October 16, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

BARAK HUSSION OBAMA WOULD NOT MAKE A PIMPLE ON A PRESIDENT’S A*. HE’S A DAM MUSLIM AND WE ALL KNOW IT.

By Shawny

October 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Nice piece on powerline regarding the history of taxation in this country.

People used to take care of themselves. Now we simply pay the govt and wait for them to take care of us. Quite ‘progressive’ of us, isn’t it?

By Paul

October 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

Please tell me you don’t think mainstream America is in favor of keeping the Alternative Minimum Tax…

By Truth

October 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Copyleft… That has nothing to do with taking from one person to give to another you pathetic parasite.

By Shawny

October 16, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Anyone, please explain how:

1- you can vote against outlawing partial birth abortion? Don’t bring up the health of the mother argument..it isn’t valid. We all know if a woman is dying and ending the pregnancy will save her life that no doctor in the world will not do it.

2- how you can allow illegals to participate in social security and get driver’s licenses, though they are paying no tax and aren’t subject to many of the other rules we live by?

3- how you can allow suits against gun manufacturers? Will you allow suits from fat people against FritoLay? Will you allow suits from someone that strains a muscle against a workout equipment manufacturer? If so to any, you probably agree that the woman that got a ton of money from McDonald’s because her hot coffee was hot.

4- how can you support anything that gives preference period on the basis of skin color? Affirmative action in and of itself is racism. Why should someone be treated differently due to their color?

By MadAsHell

October 16, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

“It’s not that I want to punish your success,” Obama replied. “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too … When you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

How does Obama justify it? “Fairness,” he says.

Wealth redistribution, no matter what you call it, is WRONG. You’re penalized for success and saving and YOUR wealth is distributed to the bottom feeders of society who will NEVER take a chance for success — they do not have the ambition or intellect to move beyond their government dependency. Anyone below $250K, get ready for your welfare check

I’M P** TO NO END!!!!

By Just_Me

October 16, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

It would be easier to take the “Don’t vote for Obama! He’s a Muslim!” trolls more seriously if they would at least spell their target’s name correctly……also, “dam” is what a beaver builds (or humans….)…”damn” is the epithet you are struggling for Richard.

By Agent 71

October 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Unfortunate, it’s unfortunate that you do not realize that all presidents surround themselves with knowledgeable and experienced personnel. They have to because they don’t have all the answers. Come to the light, Carol Anne…

By Richard

October 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

P** OFF JUST ME

By Ray

October 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

Just_Me,

As a percentage of population receiving entitlement payments funded by the American taxpayer, the black community wins hands down as to numbers of people compared to payments made. Just like the male prison population…. black males make up nearly half of the male prison population but represent only 6% of the population as a whole. Is the race card that easy to play, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that you are wrong? With the single parent birth rate at nearly 70%, tell me who wins the booby prize for responsible citizenry? It sure ain’t Jamal and that pretty young thing in the back seat of his ride.

By Taxpayer

October 16, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

By Truth@10:58 AM Ahhh… Taxpayer acting as a true libral elitest… If you dont think like a democrat then you must not be as smart as him/her.

By Truth@11:36 AM There you go again… Just how conceided are you? Do you spend housrs a day looking at yourself in the mirror?

Truth,

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner but I took my wife out to lunch and we just got back in. This retired life sure does keep one busy. Anyway, truth, I reviewed the two most recent posts from you that appeared to be meant for me and I did not notice any request from you for further elaboration on the topic that you originally provided your critique of. So, I will instead help you with a few misspelled words while also providing answers to the questions that apparently address issues that you feel are more important to you. First, I don’t know how conceited I am. Is there some universally accepted standard that you would prefer I use? Second, no I do not spend hours a day looking at myself in the mirror. I would estimate ten minutes x three times per day brushing and flossing plus one or more five minutes periods per day washing my face and several times per day in front of the mirror washing my hands when I may or may not actually look at myself intently. I do hope that my answers help to clear up any concerns you may have about my lifestyle or whatever.

By Richard

October 16, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

P** OFF JUST ME I KNOW HOW TO SPELL DANGER TO THIS COUNTRY

By Richard

October 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

P** OFF JUST ME I KNOW HOW TO SPELL “DANGER TO THIS COUNTRY”

By GeoffDawg

October 16, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

CBS and CNN polls? Are these the same “polls” that show Obama with a fifteen to seventeen point lead amond registered voters while the legitimate and historically accurate polls like Zogby and Rasmussen show a 3 - 4% Obama lead? Anything that begins with CBS or NYT says… should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

By Richard

October 16, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

THE ONLY THING I’M STRUGGLING WITH IS .223 OR .270

By Keep it real!

October 16, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Well Joe the plumber is a plant!

Joe does not even have his plumber license which is required in Ohio when you own a business.

Also Joe does not have a business plan, Some advice to Joe go to school and learn how to put together a business plan.

To Rags,Comm all Republicans can you help JOE THE PLANT write a business plan so he can buy out his boss!

By Big G

October 16, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

The American people are about to make the biggest mistake in our great Country’s history if Obama becomes our next President. He is the anti-Christ. God help us all!

By Leigh

October 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

I wonder how much more intersting the poll numbers are going to be when more people find out that “Joe the Plumber” has family ties with Charles Keating (Keating 5).

By Big G

October 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

The American people are about to make the biggest mistake in our great Country’s history if Obama becomes our next President. He is the anti-Christ. God help us all!

By Fly_on_the_Wall

October 16, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Uh, I hate to make the right feel bad but this country has history of sharing the wealth, of wealth redistribution. Just look back 100 years ago. What was happening then? Good ‘ol Teddy was taking on the major families who owned corporations and who had locked up most of the wealth and who were about to control most of the resources within the country. If this sounds similar to what is happening today then it should the only thing that has changed is that it isn’t major wealthy families anymore it is major wealthy corporations who know how to play the system (i.e. lobby like heck) to be in their favor.

The good ‘ol USA has always been about the re-distribution of wealth, otherwise it will end up in the hands of a few people (or corporations in the 21st century) and our experiment in Democracy will be lost forever. What troubles me most is that the right fails to see this - either at all or until it is far too late.

By mm

October 16, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Wingnuts,

Why do you insinuate that Obama is going to take your money and give it to the poor? He sad he’s going to raise taxes for income over $250,000 and leave them alone for the rest. That’s how it will be redistributed.

I doubt any of you knuckle heads make $250,000, so what’s the big deal?

Where’s your rage about the 1 trillion dollars that have been p*ssed away in Iraq? That’s right, taken right out of your pocket and given to the goons with the no-bid contracts.

In 19 days you will all be officially irrelevant. What a glorious day for this nation.

By Pro Hater

October 16, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

I would really like everyone’s take on this. Who would you rather have as president, Joe Biden or Sarah Palin? Sit there and think about it before you answer. Who is more qualified to run this country?

By ButtHead

October 16, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Anybody who is on welfare should not be aloud to vote, or if you are an illegal alien, OOpps McCain just won…LOL Only a communist loser would vote for Obama.

By mm

October 16, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Don’t you question the mental state of anyone that would vote for McCain knowing his age and health issues, knowing loony toons Palin could become president.

That women is a disgrace. What did she have to say today? “McCains a maverick”.

You betcha. Someone please give her a new script.

By Pro Hater

October 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Biden or Palin?

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

This is the last nice, warm day for awhile. Better take advantage of it.

By Joe

October 16, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

The poll of independents showing McCain won was certainly a sign that he did. The rest of those polls are certainly biased. Dems are not going to change their minds even if Obama gets caught with his pants down. An interesting poll to me that has almost a million respondents is an AOL poll which showed McCain winning 48-45. I wonder who Jay will vote for in this bright red McCain state???

http://news.aol.com/elections/debates/article/presidential-debate-hofstra-mccain-obama/203722?icid=100214839x1211670540x1200705762

By Richard

October 16, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Palin is more qualified than Obama. she ran a state he ran NOTHING but his mouth

By Pro Hater

October 16, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

So Richard, if McCain wins, and God forbid something happens to him, you feel comfortable with Sarah Palin running this country?

By Pro Hater

October 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Where does Sarah Palin stand on the economy and foreign affairs?

By MadAsHell

October 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

mm @ 1:53 — My family does make more that $250K so I will be affected (we didn’t see anything from the last “tax break” welfare check and will see nothing from Obama’s “tax break” which is a misnomer as it is really a tax credit given to those who, in general, do not pay taxes anyway. I’m tired of my property taxes going up, tired of paying private school tuition because of screwed up public schools within 285, tired of generational government dependents who eat better, have cells, have plasmas, drive Escalades, and only contribute crime and more dependents as a burden to society, tired of caving to illegals, tired of….

I remain P*ED OFF!!!

By gadem

October 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

So GOOD OLE JOE is practicing his trade without his license, and his employer is not licensed in the county that they work…hmmm. Interesting. There are two employees, and between the two of them, the company pulls in more than $250k per year….interesting scenario JOE…wow I am in the wrong line of work. And to think I had to sit for my CPA just to be able to audit public companies, and this hick…excuse me gentleman works as a plumber without even being licensed and can pull in more than 250k a year…school is such a scam…learning is for libruls!!!!!!!!! I would really like to see his tax records…just a looksee…this a-hole is not even prepared to buy the company…CAN YOU SAY NEO CON PLANT Are Republicans that retarded?! I am sure that guy post as raggedy andi (with an i because girls are hot)

By Keep it real!

October 16, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

The CEO of AIG has more experience then I do, but I would not have bought mortgage back securities that had sub prime loans in them!

Richard the loser! Governor Palin cannot even run her own household let alone a country!

If you are making $250,000 and you have not found a way to write a lot of taxes then you are a DUMMY!

By chuck

October 16, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Here’s a bigger question: Who would you want as President…Barack HUSSEIN Obama or Sarah Palin?

I’d take Sarah Palin any day. She at least has some executive experience. Besides that, she’s not a flaming liberal apologist.

By gadem

October 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Pro Hater, Palin stands in Alaska on foreign policy to watch and make sure those pesky Russians don’t rear their ugly heads…on the economy…she called and said that she will check on that and get back with ya…

By @@

October 16, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Poll this jay. Barack OBlahMa’s lead on the national security issue is within the margin of error. I cast my vote in favor of McCain.

Victor Davis Hanson had a good piece on last night’s debate. It’s the Debt, Stupid

The blame game goes on and on. But so far no one seems willing to tell the American people the truth: It is not just “they,” but we, the people, who have recklessly borrowed to spend what we haven’t yet earned.

Can’t include me in ^^^ that we. The WE that is my husband and I had the good sense not to incur debt. Our credit rating is golden. Regardless of what Biden says, it is WE who are the true conservative patriots.

Shame on all of those (likely liberals) who have put our country and national security at risk. They can pay their own way out of debt…….and pay……..and pay…….and…..

It’ll be tough for them under an OBlahMa tax and spend presidency. So sad, not my bad.

By Keep it real!

October 16, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Hey Chuck,

I guess you would take the CEO’s of Lehman Brothers, AIG, Wachovia Bank, Bearns Sterns, Paulson, Bush, Cheney, Gramm, Ford, GM, etc they all had executive experience.

Executive experience is highly overrate if you get the wrong person!

On a real note!

Are their any ladies dressing up as a hot Governor Palin for Holloween?

By hotlanta

October 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t Joe be in jail for practicing wihout a license.

By hotlanta

October 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t Joe be in jail for practicing wihout a license.

By Pro Hater

October 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Chuck, she might not be a flaming liberal apologist, but she definitely isn’t the brightest person. You are seriously fooling yourself if you think this woman would do a better job at running this country than Barack Obama. What are her stances on anything?? Oh, I forgot, she’s a maverick. Have you heard her speak in her interviews and the debate? Well, this is a country that voted Bush in office for 2 terms, so there you go. I guess intelligence is not a factor anymore in this country. McCain, bottom of his class in the military. No wonder he crashed and was a P.O.W. for 5 years. I need someone that know’s how not to get caught by the enemy. Let’s not start with poor Sarah Palin. This woman had to go to 5 seperate colleges to earn 1 degree? Should have stuck to beauty pageants and the news. By the way, to be a president, we don’t need a hot head that can’t maintain his/her composure under scutiny. But this is just my opinion.

By Abomi Nation

October 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Well if the Russians do rear their ugly heads lets hope Palin is allowed to use President Bush’s Super-Secret Reflector Mirror that allows one to look inside the soul of Russian leadership. You know?! So we know what we’re up against.

Its all the super secret weapons Bush has used that make some of us know that one day Bush will be vindicated. You people just haven’t seen all these weapons and stuff, oh, then you have the audacity to pretend they don’t exist.

Like the new Lifeline used in New Orleans. If you could hang on to the rope while dangling from the rescue helicopter with one hand tied behind your back for 60 minutes it meant you believed in God, were a good Christian and would be “saved.”

Problem is it was in New Orleans! “Know what I’m Sa-in’?” Not many people made it up the super secret holy rope. Pity. It could have saved lives.

One of these days you stupid people will realize you have given an obvious mandate to a very dangerous man. Sad.

I hear the Super Secret Soul Seeker Mirror Bush will hand over to Obama is going to be a fake, the only thing Obama will see when he looks into it will be a reflection of himself with a big afro. Oh my.

Some mandate.

By gadem

October 16, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

Palin called and said that her position on the economy was to making it mandatory for everyone to shop at WalMart and to use coupons when possible…She said the increased shopping would stimulate the economy and indirectly the use of coupons would increase the savings of the individual family by $15-$50 per WalMart trip. Hence making the economy fundamentally strong…straight from the PITBULLS MOUTH!!!

By @@

October 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Ummmm guys! jay has opened three more threads above this one.

By NO way

October 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Nobody likes paying taxes likes nobody likes changing babies’ poopie diapers, but some things are inevitable, so why not redistribute it the real backbone of America—the middle class. The wealthy few have controlled the dance for too long. It’s time to switch partners.

By buck

October 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

you sure have a lot of very angry people on this site most likely dimwit -o- crats

By No_Osama08

October 16, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

By TW October 16, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

C’mon, Jay. You know silly things like facts and numbers don’t play well in the red states… +++++++++++++++ You have your colors confused buddy, the blue state morons don’t care about facts one bit.

By CommunistAJC

October 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookhack, You’d better start reading unbiased polls because the latest gallup poll has Obama Hussein up by only 2 points. That aint good for the savior of the liberals.

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

chuck

October 16, 2008 3:44 PM

They’re both basically foreigners, but I’ll take my chances with the Ivy League educated black messiah, altho the last 3 with those credentials have been an embarrassment at times. But at least Clinton was competent, something you can’t say about ‘41’ and ‘43’. Palin needs to go home and help take care of her large family and continue to bilk the oil companies at our expense. It’s painfully clear she had no interest in the lower 48 or international affairs, and had never even seen a copy of the Economist.

By NO way

October 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

Abomi Nation

You are an abomination, and God will judge you for it! “Know what I’m saying?”

By jb

October 16, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

I got it now-McCain should come out and announce he is now going by MC Cain and all the ingnorant ‘gangstas’ would vote for him. Course’ MC Cain would have to get hisself some cheap a* bling and learn to talk like Snoop but there’s plenty of time for that. (how hard could it be?)

JB

By Skeptic Tank

October 16, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this

John McCain tells us that Obama’s being less than forthcoming about his relationship to Bill Ayers.

Mr. McCain, you are a hypocritical fool.

Joe the Plumber was not an anonymous Joe. He is not undecided. He’s not even a plumber! Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan.

Ouch, Mr. McCain. Can’t you even MUCKRAKE without screwing up?

By A-1 Democrat

October 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

The current administration seems to forget that the presidency is ONE of THREE parts of our government and that Congress (LEGISLATIVE) is supposed to handle policy, and LEGISLATION (imagine that!). The president is the EXECUTIVE branch, and is supposed to surround himself (or herself) with intelligent people. The president cannot be omnipotent, but bolsters his (or her) abilities with competent advisors. I find Obama refreshing in that he seems to understand how the three branches of government should work together. He is a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, and I look forward to seeing how he brings the members of Congress together to act in the best interest of we common folks. It’s not a job one person can do alone - and he seems to already be surrounding himself with folks who know how to counsel him on issues, and help write speeches that are meaningful to us. Hopefully, those same advisors will be surrounding him for the next 8 years in the White House!

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

October 16, 2008 5:30 PM

You know the national polls mean nothing.

Latest Electoral College map.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

I employ 12 people and make 325K a year net after paying all of their payroll, insurance, unemployment ins., workers comp insurance, paid days off, etc., (lets not forget all of the employee personal drama, so and so is in jail and I won’t be in stuff, I have an ingrown toenail, yada, yada, yada and I won’t be in) and have done my best to keep my guys and 1 girl employed even with the slowdown. I have enough money socked away after living well beneath my means for 40 employed years that I can pull the plug and walk (Google Atlas Shrugged). I do this for my team and make it still worth my while, but listen clearly OBAMA, I DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS! Go ahead, raise my taxes, give me more government mandates I cannot or WILL NOT afford and see who loses,13 employed people who will have to find work elsewhere. Small businesses like mine generated ALL of the jobs this year. Look it up. I WILL TAKE MY TOYS AND GO HOME and spend my money on me. everyone loses. Economic genius.

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this

John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 8:16 PM

Up to this point, you sir, have been a great American.

But don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.

Your health insurance savings alone should more than offset your income tax increase.

We’ve got to work harder to end the poverty cycle.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

One more thing. A poor person NEVER EMPLOYED ANYBODY.

By Skeptic Tank

October 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

A poor person may never have employed anybody.

But an * would fire them to prove a point.

Without the employees, you are sole proprietor. Good luck with that.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Like I said, for those that can, read Atlas Shrugged. I am going to do my own mini version. I CHOOSE not to pay any more of the wealth I generate.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

No, an a* would elect a man to punish me for generating something for my efforts, and I sincerely do hate it for my people. Maybe YOU can hire them.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

You also don’t get it. I do not have to be sole proprietor. I have enough money saved to walk away and not stress out over this. I will not be forced to pay what I choose not to. Period.

By Skeptic Tank

October 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

You made money off of the backs of YOUR PEOPLE. You’re not as benevolent as you claim. Without YOUR PEOPLE, your business would have been miniscule in scope…if you could have even HAD a business without them.

I also own a business. I overpay my staff. They have been loyal to me for well over a decade. I offered a year maternity leave. Three weeks paid vacation. Profit-sharing. Group insurance. Matching contributions to their 401(k). They would take a bullet for me.

If President Obama tells me, as an American, that I need to pony up more money to pay for the mistakes of the Republican Party, to pay for the mindless wars that our Republican President foisted upon us, I say, hell yes, and God Bless America.

Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. Greedy capitalists are as despicable as elitist socialists.

By Reality

October 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

John Galt Jr. has hit the mark. My take as a family who make more that $250K is if Obama begins to redistribute my wealth is my wife will become a homemaker and we pull our investments to drop our household income below $250K and hopefully become eligible for a tax break, i.e., tax credit, i.e., government welfare!!!!!

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

No, I made my money on MY RISKS, MY CREDIT, MY WILLINGNESS TO LOSE IT ALL. My employees ARE hard working, just not as willing to put it ALL on the line and take the same chances as I have over the years. Obama is making it real clear I need to enjoy MY retirement.

By Skeptic Tank

October 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of petulant children you folks are. Seems that everything’s kosher as long as you don’t have to pay for the wars and the limitless spending of the Republican Party. But when Daddy comes home and takes away some of your allowance, you pout and pose and squeal like a cheerleader in a blender.

Save me the rhetoric and retire already.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

Skeptic, there is NOTHING stopping you from turning over ALL you make if YOU so CHOOSE. I bet you every year YOU look for as many deductions as you can. Hypocrite.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

Going to bed. Someone has to open up the shop. At least for a little longer.

By Skeptic Tank

October 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

I play the system, you play the system. When the system changes, I adapt. I change my business model. I find progressive-thinking accountants to advise me on how to keep as much as my wealth as the law will permit. Entrepreneurs don’t allow tax increases to cause them to throw in the towel. We learn to create greater cash flow. You see it as an obstacle. I see it as an opportunity. And if some of MY hard-earned money ends up in the government coffers, I still thank God that I’m an American, that our tax rates are still some of the lowest in the world, that creating a business is a distinctly American experience…and I look around to find other, like-minded people. They are the true patriots.

By John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

Sir, you know nothing of my patriotism or my service to my country. Semper Fi!

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

John Galt Jr.

October 16, 2008 9:57 PM

Thank you for your service and congratulations on your success.

But maybe you should retire if you feel that adament about it and enjoy the good life. But I’d rather you cross that bridge to the 21st century with us and continue to prosper and enrich the lives of others.

Obama is very pro business.

By Reality

October 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

Taking of money to benefit those who do not have (or should not have) is socialism. I’ll be dammed if I’m going to support the bottom feeder generational dependent scum of our society who do not want to be held accountable for their poor decisions in life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Reality

October 16, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Skeptic @ 9:30 - there is great difference between between supporting our society/government and supporting individuals who feel entitled to have the federal government CONTINUE to provide for them!!! These shallow end of the gene pool segments of our society should not even be allowed to vote!!! They are as uninformed on the issues as other non-human parasites of the world…

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

Reality

October 16, 2008 10:24 PM

Then I would suggest that you designate that your involuntary contributions be used to kill children in Iraq and Afghanistan and their mothers.

By Dagny and John's Love Child

October 16, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

I have said it before and I will say it again - if you want my money so bad, why don’ you come try to take it yourself vs. having to use your big bad Obama filled government to do your robbing for you?

All I want to do it provide a better life for my children - why must I provide a better life for yours as well, when you don’t have the discipline to do it for yourself?

Make better decisions, work harder, keep trying, and you will get there - eating a box of pork rinds, drinking a cold one, and using the threat of gov’t to steal from your neighbors is so outrageous, I can’t believe you people even show your faces in public.

You have destroyed the American dream for most real Americans and started us on a path that gives such glorious examples of fine living as the former USSR, Cuba, N. Korea, and China - why don’t you all head off over there for a nice vacation and live off the fat of the land there?

By TN Gelding

October 16, 2008 11:48 PM | Link to this

Dagny and John’s Love Child

October 16, 2008 11:24 PM

Get some rest.

We need you to open up in the morning to help keep the economy sputtering along until a new team takes over. I’ve been doing what little I could to help keep my unemployed neighbors busy.

By Dagny and John's Love Child

October 17, 2008 12:06 AM | Link to this

TN - Just watching the game - I don’t actually have to go in to open up - we have people there around the clock - just answer the one question - How can you say Obama is pro-business - why do you think when Chrysler and Daimler merged, the HQ was in Germany? It’s not for tradition, it was for the Tax advantages - when Saks 5th Ave. bought Parisian, the relocated to Birmingham, AL for the same reason - Companies go where their tax rate is low - bumping up the tax rate on corporations here is going to stiffle new business - Big Business’ hire people in significant numbers - not small business - Why would anyone come here? I am not talking about grass mowers and and house framers - I am talking about real business.

Also answer this - who pays the price if big oil gets hit with windfall tax? The nations pension plans, that’s who - they own most of the big oil stock - also, if you tax a business higher, they are going to pass that on to their customers in the terms of higher prices to cover the shortage - But don’t let fundamental economics get in the way of a well told story - Let’s see, between John Galt Jr. and I, that will be close to 30 people out of work when O takes office - how many more do you think there are?

By TN Gelding

October 17, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this

* Dagny and John’s Love Child*

October 17, 2008 12:06 AM

You wouldn’t do that to your employees, would you?

I agree with you about taxes on business.

From my e-mail archives to an assistant to Charlie Rangel last year:

Walter, You know I love Charlie Rangel, but I hate his proposal. We’ve got to bite the bullet and get off of this credit binge! This applies to individuals as well as the federal government. Corporations don’t pay taxes, they collect them and pass them on to the government. We simply must make it cheaper to do business in this country so we can compete in the global market place. We not only need to eliminate all the taxes from their burden, but the tremendous cost of health insurance as well. We could start by transferring the entire cost of FICA over to the employees over a 7 year period and ending the corporate income tax. Certainly the super-rich can pay more, but so can we. Over half of the households in the country don’t pay any income tax(?). We all need to pay something, even if just a dollar a week, so we can feel like we have a stake in our country. It doesn’t sound like much, but it’s that much more that doesn’t have to be borrowed from China. As much as I like the EITC concept, we simply can’t afford it with the prescription drug benefit added to Medicare and Mr. Duhbya’s misadventure in Iraq. How many of these “poor” folks can afford to buy beer and cigarettes? As for the drug benefit, wouldn’t it be a lot healthier and cheaper if we changed our lifestyles and improved our diets to the point we didn’t need them? The over-medication of senior citizens in this country is a national disgrace! Some more simple proposals for Social Security: Reduce the annual COLA by 1% and eliminate it all together in 5 of the next 10 years. This would affect everyone and give us plenty of time to prepare for the reduced benefits. Also, basing the benefits on need rather than how much you paid into the system would eliminate poverty among the elderly overnight. And why should Warren Buffet, H. Ross Perot and Barbara Bush be receiving anything? I hope they’ve shown enough class not to apply for benefits. At some level all benefits could be taxed at a 100% rate. Other tax changes to consider: A 1/2 to 1% tax on real estate and stock transactions paid by the seller. An import tax on goods from countries that tax our exports. Repeal all the Bush cuts except for the estate tax. Leaving that with the heirs will produce revenue for all eternity, which might not be too long the way we’re ravaging planet Earth. Legalize drugs and tax them to the hilt, with most of the revenue being used for rehab services. We can’t afford an unwinnable war on drugs, just like we can’t afford the ill-advised war in Iraq. The treasure and blood being sacrificed on both could be saved. Keep up the good work.

By foxdog

October 17, 2008 12:35 AM | Link to this

Obama’s suporters really believe this…

from Merle Haggard’s song…

“We’ll all be drinkin’ free bubble-up, Eatin’ that rainbow stew. When they find out how to burn water, And the gasoline car is gone. When an airplane flies without any fuel, And the satellite heats our home. One of these days when the air clears up, And the sun comes shinin’ through. We’ll all be drinkin’ free bubble-up, An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.

Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. All be drinkin’ free bubble-ubb, An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.”

Well, nothing is free and it’ll take less than a year to find out just how much Obama’s election is going to cost this nation…in money and otherwise. I fear the cost will be to high. He will be a one term President. Hopefully we can survive it.

By TN Gelding

October 17, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

foxdog

October 17, 2008 12:35

Please, let’s wait and see. Give him a chance.

By Skeptic Tank

October 17, 2008 6:49 AM | Link to this

Galt and Love Child - Your shrill arguments are based on a faulty premise. The money you earn is NOT yours to keep. You do not live in a vacuum. You are a member of society. There are costs, and responsibilities, that are attendant with citizenship to the greatest nation on the planet. In fact, your greediness and self-aggrandizement are as deplorable as the welfare money-suckers you hate so fiercely.

Your problem is, you equate the poor with the lazy. In many cases, most perhaps, you are correct. But there are many, many good, well-educated and determined Americans who are poor, but certainly not lazy. You yourselves have never been more than one unforeseen event away from utter and total ruin, whether you realize it or not. That’s why your pomposity irritates me as much as it does. I, too, detest forking over my hard-earned cash for generational welfare families. Ask yourself why a conservative legislature, 14 years in Washington, didn’t clamp down on THAT problem.

Wearing a uniform and barking out Semper Fi is NOT the equivalent of being a patriot. The American ideals that you were fighting for have somehow been lost on your, and you, sir, show more love of your money than love for your country.

By John Galt Jr.

October 17, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this

Skeptic, I am laving for work, and you sir, carry water for the communists, no matter how you disguise it. You have no concept of individual liberty, personal choices, or liberty as obviously you have never had to fight for it. Hooah!

By bobfromcanton

October 17, 2008 7:13 AM | Link to this

Skeptictank, You are a socialist, pure and simple. The government only has the rights that the voters of this country allow them to have. My money is still my money and you would know this if you understood history and the what the American Revolution and the Boston Tea Party were about. But you probably didn’t study history in school… What we need is to overthrow Washington and take our country back. No more handouts to Wall St. or anyone else. The Feds need to get back to protecting us from foreign enemies and protecting our borders. Stop giving money away via pandering to poor, elderly, and other such items in the Fed. budget!

By Skeptic Tank

October 17, 2008 7:18 AM | Link to this

Galt, I guess it’s easier for you to utter derogatory slogans than it is to answer the arguments. Typical. Your service to this country is irrelevant to the subject matter. You’re hiding behind it, in fact, which is weak and cowardly.

Is today the day you fire your 13 employees? Or will you wait til election day? Inauguration day? Or the day that President Obama signs the legislation into law?

I’ve heard this crap all my life. Your economic Darwinism is as heartless as Saddam’s treatment of his people. Shame on you, soldier.

By Skeptic Tank

October 17, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this

Bob

I’m cool with overthrowing Washington and implementing some of the strategies you’ve outlined. I would add that we need to create at least one more viable political party to the mix, in order to eradicate the divisive condition of our nation that befalls us at this moment. But just like a consumer who’s bought more than he can afford, we need to somehow raise enough money to pay for the debacle that Washington has rained upon us. The economic gimmicks of Reagan will not suffice.

I am not a socialist by nature. But I cannot fathom the Greatest Nation On Earth allowing its downtrodden to perish. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Your argument is based on contempt for the lazy. Fix the system to address that problem.

By zeke

October 17, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

Only idiots could favor this communist!

By zeke

October 17, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this

Only idiots could favor this socialist

By GaLiberal

October 17, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

All these polls are meaningless. There are enough closet racist religoNazis in the US to put McCain/Palin in office. These are the same people that voted for Bush twice. People have been so brainwashed by the Rethuglicon Party that taxes are the root all your problems. So what did they do over the past eight years? They increased government spending by over 7% each year, gave tax cuts to their uberrich buddies and contributors, and engaged in the reckless and unnecessary Iraq war the GAO said will cost $2+ TRILLION. Bush has had to prop up his failed economic policies with over $2 TRILLION of taxpayer money. The result has been a deficit that will be $500+ BILLION and a national debt that now exceeds $10 TRILLION. In short, they have endangered our standard of living. If anyone believes this problem can be solved simply to cutting waste or earmarks or “social programs”, they are living in Rethuglicon fantasy land. But fantasy is better than facing reality. And that’s what the Rethuglicons are counting on to get McCain/Palin elected.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And McCain’s performance in the Presidential debates is living proof.

By Williebkind

October 17, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

By GaLiberal October 17, 2008 8:05 AM :

Be Amerian! b*tch slap a liberal!!! how’s that for education and being a rethuglicon? You are a socialist pig…no matter who wins…

By Williebkind

October 17, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

By GaLiberal October 17, 2008 8:05 AM :

Be Amercian! b*tch slap a liberal!!! how’s that for education and being a rethuglicon? You are a socialist pig…no matter who wins…

By williebkind

October 17, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

GaLiberal…You call conservatives Rethuglicons! Who has been underminding the voting process..ACORN maybe…liberal are they….YES…who made it possible to give loans to citizens who could not afford the payments…Barney Frank…liberal yes…. If we had walked away from 9/11 there would be no debt and you still would btch. Because we are not socialists and your little agenda party is not in power you spew out the wildest idiotic things the average American can read. Your idiology is not maintstream and you can not make it mainstream. Your party made abortion legal thru illegal means and it is not mainstream even after that. But if every American mainstreamer would btch slap a liberal we could get things back to normal. Remember you have to turn the other cheek because you are so educated and fighting back is beneath you and you must figure out what you did to make me hate you right?

By Mike

October 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

I like how Cynthia Tucker is still sliming McCain with the “kill him” comment that has been disproven by the Secret Service.

Not only does Tucker repeat this outright lie, she uses it as evidence that McCain is racist.

Tell us again about “Swiftboating” Jay. Any comment on your comrades shameful repetition of proven falsehoods?

By KUHG

October 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

this blog is about polls - check out last night’s gallup of likely voters: 2 point gap.

By Dagny and John's Love Child

October 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Excuse me - I have never advocated not paying taxes - I take care of my employees as if they are family members - but understand this - When I went to school (that I paid for myself) - I studied - I sacrificed doing what I wanted to do - When my kids were younger, I worked 80 hours a week - spent weeks on the road to hone my business skills and then put my house and their future on the line to try and build a business - that failed - and two more failed after that - but I kept putting my family through the hell of living with a serial entrepreneur - until I finally figured it out - I pay taxes, I employ Americans - I drive American cars and I go out of my way to buy American clothes - I pay more to shop at local shops and I use my local pharmacist as well - don’t lecture me about being a patriot and supporting Americans as you ride over to Wal-Mart to buy all your chinese made crap in your korean made automobile - and tell me I have a duty to support others - I ALWAYS support those who are trying to better themselves - but that is where I draw the line - I am not a republican either - I can’t stand the interjection of religion into politics - So, as a man without a party, I vote for what I think is best for the economy - and, you are wrong, it IS MY money - Yes, I pay to belong to this society, but when you see others who pay NOTHING suckling on the teat without having anything invested - and those same people fall for voting for the moron who says - vote for me, I will make sure you never have to pay for anything at all - we will make the lucky few who “won lifes lottery” pay for everyone - you get a bit disgusted with the whole process.

By Mike

October 17, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I am really shocked that the polls are even this close with such an unpopular President and the full court media press on the McCain team. Obama should be up by 10 to 12.

By Analchemy

October 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Half the country is redstate. The last two elections were won by a few hundred votes, and there’s 300 million of us.

Look around, half the country is that hag who thinks Obama is an Arab. They’ll never vote blue.

Whoever the GOP loses because of W, they’ll gain because of James Earl Ray, Wallace, and David Duke.

Redstaters fear the black man. Fear.

Founding father’s campaign formulas: Play the fears, ignore the issues, and anyone can be president.

Anyone. McCain merely has to look white, sound white, and dance white.

Throw in Diebold and a few hundred stuffed ballots, And he’s prez.

By RJ

October 17, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Let’s look at the facts of the debate. McCain really wanted to win. He seemed to control the first half hour, but as time wore on, his breathing became uneven and he appeared to want to jump on Obama and kick his “you know what” literally. Obama on the other hand was cool and collected. He never let McCain get under his skin enough to show it. That’s the kind of leader that I want.

Poor Joe the Plumber. He’s not licensed and apparently doesn’t pay his debts; he has a lien on his house! I’m sure he didn’t expect the media to go prying into his life this way, but…that’s the world in which we live.

And McCain, teachers need to be tested. Certification tests ensure that you are knowledgeable in your field. Would you want a doctor that wasn’t licensed? Heck, you need a license to drive!!! He really should be called John McInSane!

By GaLiberal

October 17, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

If you want to see the true face of the Rethuglicon Party, just read the post by williebkind @ 8:42 AM. Typical brainwashed, bigoted, fascist Rethuglicon bootlicker that will vote for McCain and more of the same failed Bush foreign, domestic, and economic policies.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And williebkind is living proof.

By chuck

October 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

By Skeptic Tank

I, too, detest forking over my hard-earned cash for generational welfare families. Ask yourself why a conservative legislature, 14 years in Washington, didn’t clamp down on THAT problem.

Are you kidding me? Where were you when the REPUBLICANS passed Welfare Reform and forced Clinton to sign it? They did this in the FIRST year that they had a majority in congress.

What we are angry about is the fact that Obama not only wants to UNDO that reform, but he also wants to take money directly from us and give it to people who pay NO TAXES in the form of a tax credit.

None of us wants to shirk our responsibilities to this country. What we want is for OUR GOVERNMENT to stop confiscating OUR MONEY for things designed for individual senators and representatives to use to buy votes. What we want is for OUR GOVERNMENT to stop confiscating OUR MONEY for things that the federal government should not be involved in at all. We have allowed the federal government to usurp the power and authority that rightly belongs to the STATES…like NCLB (not to mention WELFARE). We could do away with the deficit next year if we stuck to the tenets of the Constitution and spent money ONLY for National Defense, for creating a climate where private enterprise can thrive, and protect the rights and liberties of the people.

By Keep it real!

October 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Now Mr. Galt has been in business for a long time. During the CLinton era the taxes were a little higher now he is complaining about a small tax increase which will be written off because now he will be able to write off and expand the medical coverage for his employees.

Listen STUPID folks medical costs are going up 5 to 10 percent a year. Small business will get a deduction toward the medical premiums which wil make up for the slight tax increase!

By Skeptic Tank

October 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Hey Chuck

If that vaunted Republican legislature from 1994 effectively eliminated the welfare problem, then why in the HELL have you radicals on the right been b*** about it incessantly ever since?

By williebkind

October 17, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

I just read that Obama is not a naturalized citizen or at least not a proven one. No papers no citizenship! Hey Jay did you guys check this guy out or were you and galiberal just started producing lies about conservatives.

here is a short post of it:

FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE : : Plaintiff : vs. : CIVIL ACTION NO. : BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a/k/a : BARRY SOETORO, a/k/a : BARRY OBAMA , a/k/a : JURY TRIAL DEMANDED BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a : BARRY DUNHAM, THE : DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL : COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL : ELECTION COMMISSION AND : DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE :: Defendants : COMPLAINT FOR DECLARTORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF PRELIMINARY STATEMENT

He has more names than……!

By dw

October 17, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Hypothetical question for current ObamaNation Supporters: If (repeat, if), Obama is elected and during a term he aligns very closely to Islamic states, and/or tries to push pro-Islamic ideology, up to wanting Islamic law put in place for the U.S. or removal of all religion from U.S. society. Do you all then call for his immediate impeachment (“what the H_ did we do”) or just go along with the new program? Again I’m not saying this is even in his mind. I’m just curious of a scenario. I am just as concerned about the economy, environment, …, education as any ObamaNation supporter or McBush supporter. I actually think both candidates have some worthwhile ideas on their platforms.

By SwedeAtlanta

October 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

I have noticed several posts in recent weeks questioning whether Obama is even eligible to be president because of his pedigree. This can be easily settled. His nationality is established on two grounds, (1) he was born in Honolulu Hawaii in 1961 -Hawaii became a state in 1959 (even if neither parent was an American the fact he was born in the U.S.) makes him a U.S. citizen and (2) his mother was a U.S. citizen (as long as one parent is a U.S. citizen, then regardless of location of birth, you are a citizen).

By Keep it real!

October 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

DW did someone knock you upside your head or just stupid?

Do we have a HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES? Do we have a Congress?

So how is the president going to convince the HOUSE AND THE CONGRESS TO PASS A MUSLIM AGENDA!

What is amazing is so many Americans do not know how our Government works!

Jay please start posting information on how the Government works while you have these dufuses attention!

By SwedeAtlanta

October 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

DW (ref your posting at 12:31 p.m. today) Please post that same question to those who support McCain. Why are you posing this question with respect to a bi-racial native born American male who is a christian and has been his entire life?

Why can’t people accept that maybe, just maybe, Obama is a native-born American born to a mixed couple in wedlock and that is a practicing christian?

By Abomi Nation

October 17, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

As a Republican I say yes dw, what the heck, we should just go “along with the program.”

I’m not waiting. I have started my very own burqa business. We could get rich off of this. I do say, I like that thought yours, it would allow us to shut up the yappy women in this country which would be a plus.

I will miss Jesus though. He answered my prayers and gave my team a big victory last week. Does Allah like football? I sure hope so. I hear he might be into soccer.

By EMMA

October 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Unfortunate Every Presidency has knowledgeable and experienced people in their cabinet. No one person can solely run a country. It’s just like a huge corporation. You don’t just have a CEO, President, there are VP’s,assistants, admin staff etc. The CEO is the just the head of the body, but in order to move you need arms, legs, etc.

Also, no one should pay attention to any POLL because not enough people are surveyed in any of them to make a true and accurate statement.

By chuck

October 17, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Chuck

If that vaunted Republican legislature from 1994 effectively eliminated the welfare problem, then why in the HELL have you radicals on the right been b* about it incessantly ever since?

Your statement was:

I, too, detest forking over my hard-earned cash for generational welfare families.

Welfare reform put limits on the number of years a person could collect welfare. While it was a great improvement over what was in place PRIOR, MOST conservatives believe that the federal government should not be in the welfare business at all. That’s why we continue to speak out on the issue.

While we would like to see welfare, federal housing, etc. disappear completely, the current system is better than it was. The fact is that I answered your question in my first post. Obama not only wants to UNDO that reform, but he also wants to take money directly from us and give it to people who pay NO TAXES in the form of a tax credit.