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GOP draws line at holding 40 in Senate

National trends are so bad in the presidential and congressional races that the Republican National Committee is trying to decide on a firewall to protect its last source of political power in Washington, the 40 votes they would need in the Senate to filibuster legislation.

As Jonathan Martin of Politico writes:

“The Republican National Committee, growing nervous over the prospect of Democrats’ winning a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, is considering tapping into a $5 million line of credit this week to aid an increasing number of vulnerable incumbents, top Republicans say….”

But that the party would use new money to block a Democratic triumph in the Senate rather than boost the odds of its presidential nominee speaks volumes about what many Republicans think is still salvageable. And some in the GOP, especially those working on House and Senate races in which their candidates’ poll numbers swoon during the financial crisis, are increasingly agitated about money being spent on what all observers, including McCain, acknowledge is an uphill fight on top of the ticket.

“They should pull the money from ­McCain like [former RNC Chairman] Haley Barbour did in ’96, when Dole slid away, and funnel it to save some Senate and House seats as best they can,” said one longtime GOP strategist who is working on congressional races.

“There are seven or eight [seats in danger],” a top Republican said of the upper chamber. “What’s it going to be a week from now?” Party officials see GOP Senate seats at risk in North Carolina, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Colorado, Minnesota, Mississippi, Alaska, Oregon and Georgia.

The inclusion of Georgia on that list would have been stunning until a couple of weeks ago. But a series of polls have now put Jim Martin close or within the margin of error to Saxby Chambliss, and with black turnout already high in the race, it is now considered a tossup state by Pollster.com and other sites. Pollster’s aggregate of polls in the race gives Chambliss a narrow 1.4 point lead and well below 50 percent. Typically, late deciders in a race break away from the incumbent.

In an election night that promises surprises, this one would be one of the biggest.

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By paisana

October 14, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this

Chambliss lost my vote when he voted for the bailout. He was preferable to Max stoned or fragged Cleland, but guess I’ll have to go with the libertarian now. Maybe if Jim Martin squeaks by, he can afford a new set of false teeth.

By BDAtlanta

October 14, 2008 7:26 AM | Link to this

Democrats need to keep working. None of these wins are a done deal.

By hillbilly ragger

October 14, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

So Republican victory will be anything less than 60 Democratic Senate seats now? Gotta love those lowered expectations.

By Democrats win Georgia? Yeah, right! (Mad As Zell)

October 14, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

I must respectfully disagree with you, Jay. The polls may say that the Senate race is a toss up, but notice the lack of Democrat candidates who are willing to campaign for the party’s headliner, Barack Obama. You don’t see any candidates in close races like Jim Marshall or Jim Martin out actively campaigning or even openly making a case or advocating for an Obama Presidency. Despite what the slanted polls may say, Barack Obama is just too much of a radical leftist candidate to compete in a conservative family values state as patriotic as Georgia. Sorry, Jay, but Obama winning Georgia just ain’t happening.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Voted for Jim Martin and Obama yesterday. It sure felt good.

By Bud Wiser

October 14, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

i am a Conservative who will not be voting for Chambliss. I was opposed to the so-called ‘rescue’ plan he and others voted for, and still am. I sent letters to both he and Isakson on the matter and both sent me back a childish, prewritten canned response that suposedly justifys this massive fraud on the people.

These loonies cannot even control their overspending already, and yet vote themselves another trillion or so taxpayer dollars to cover this?

Once again accountability will be minimal to nonexistent, and the waste will be massive in biblical proportions. They will want more, and they will take it from us yet again.

There never is a good third party option around when you need one, because the lawmakers have set it up that way to protect their own little kingdom.

Other countries are following suit and pony up billions for their own system as well. When this finally all settles out, I predict a world wide ‘Great Depression’ that makes our own of 1929 look like a baby in comparison.

By paisana

October 14, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Chambliss lost my vote when he voted for the bailout ,so I guess I’ll have to go with the Libertarian. Chambliss was preferable to Max stoned or fragged Cleland. I won’t vote for Jim Martin , but wish him the best, and if he wins, a new set of false teeth.

By E

October 14, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

GOPs got to go at 7:34, So did I. Such a wonderful feeling.

GOP running scared! I LOVE IT!!!

Obama/Biden ‘08

By TN Gelding

October 14, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

Colorado leaning Obama.

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Bud, there was a recent study published about how countries have handled a crisis like this in the past and how fast the country was able to recover from the crisis.

What the study showed was that rapid response was the only way to keep the problem from getting much worse. It also showed that pushing liquidity onto the balance sheet of the banks was the quickest way to jump-start the recovery.

However, in all of the instances, a severe recession happened anyway. If the country didn’t respond fast enough (e.g., Japan in 80’s and 90’s, US in 1929), things got worse than that and lasted longer than that.

What you’re seeing lately is Paulson and other countries responding to that study’s findings.

Banking Crises Around the World

I don’t blame anyone for voting for the bailout. In fact, the ones who voted AGAINST it were wrong, as much as it pains me to think of all that money having to be sunk into this mess to get us out of it. I really don’t think punishing either side for the bailout part is far-sighted.

What’s important to me is to punish those who think that less government oversight of the financial markets is a good thing.

By Mr Snarky

October 14, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

Mmmmmm…filibuster proof majority and the White House…that would be something!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 14, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

The GOP may draw the line…..but the democrats may just have the worlds biggest eraser!

By N-GA

October 14, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

The talking heads this morning were saying that the bailout will most likely work, but will take time and the US will see unemployment at 8% or higher with a long road to recovery…5-6 years of slow or no growth, and a requirement that Americans adjust their financial habit of buying everything on credit.

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

All the Repugs need to start practicing saying the words “President Barack Obama” and get on the bus riding into the 21st Century!

By hillbilly ragger

October 14, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Before we rational people get our hopes up, I should point out that 538 has the 60 senate seat line winning percentage at just 30%. It’s possible, not real likely though.

And to be realistic, it’s not like all of those Dems are going to be terribly progressive. Some might go along with a Republican filibuster if the bill’s even remotely controversial. I imagine this would extend to a lot of confirmation hearings as well.

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Uh-oh.

Repugs all over the country are abandoning the McSame ship that stinks so bad, and there’s still 3 more weeks til Nov. 4th!

John McCain’s plunging poll numbers in Florida have top Republicans second-guessing and starting to distance themselves from the campaign.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Imagine if you will that the GOP is an elaborately done drawing on an Etchascetch. Now imagine Obama just turning it up side down and shaking the He11 out of it……..Ah, 8 years of pain gone way. Let’s start the Ecthascetch Picaso of the future, this time in color!

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Gov. Crist of FLA found better things to do than attend a McSame football fundraiser event — he went to Disney World!

”{{Even Gov. Charlie Crist, who helped deliver Florida for McCain during the primary, said he will be spending more time minding the state’s weak economy than campaigning for the Arizona senator in the final weeks before Election Day.

”When I have time to help, I’ll try to do that,” Crist said last week, after he flew around the state with McCain running mate Sarah Palin. Saturday, he skipped a McCain football rally and instead went to Disney World.}}” ~ The Miami Herald, 10/14/08

BWAAAAAAA!

By Ray

October 14, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

The thought of a Pelosi run House, a Reid run Senate and the Annointed One in the White House………. all at the same time. Our country is resilient and strong but it is doubtful that our citizenry will survive this trio of idiots. They will make Iraq war spending look like pocket change before they are finished. Every entitlement recipient with a government owned house and all the food stamps and welfare checks that they need to avoid being responsible, hard working citizens. And these dumb as* people think that the Democrats are doing them a favor. Deeper and deeper into the morass of irresponsibility and ambivalence, blame and hate for something that they don’t understand and who is left paying the bill?…. the middle class American taxpayer, the small business owner and responsible hard working America. We can’t stand this much longer….. our taxes are already stretching us to the limit but just wait. The money for these programs that the Demos have in mind has to come from somewhere. All of these campaign promises are empty rhetoric but the sheep are to stupid to understand that. “Anyone but Bush”…… be careful what you wish for.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

It may just prove that Crist is not a closet gay like Ted.

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

N-GA: The talking heads today are more correct than they were yesterday when they were proclaiming the start of a recovery. There is NO SUCH THING as a 300 point move to the upside in a bull market, let alone an 11% gain; those only happen in bear markets.

It ain’t over. Not by a long shot. This immediate credit crunch will ease now, but the problems in the system remain and likely won’t get solved until next year sometime.

My guess is that we re-test the market lows again in the next 6 months (likely sooner than that, but 6 months at the outside).

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Ray, yeah we thought the same thing about the Republicans being in charge with no adult supervision.

Republicans want to get back in the game? Figure out some core principles that will attract the middle instead of energizing the fringes.

By T

October 14, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Ray

Isn’t that what’s happening now? Govt owned banks, automotive,and insurance industries. You really thought liberal socialism was scary. Well, this is just darn creepy.

Then again, I think our automakers will be bought out by foriegn countries. Ford shares are at 1.99. Same price of mac-n-cheese.

Hardly anything is American anymore. Honda and Volvo employ American workers now like Nike did and does in Mexico and China.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 14, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Ray…

I suspect House and Senate leadership will change after the Inauguration of President Obama.

By Mike

October 14, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Remember right before the 2006 elections and the media made the Mark Foley scandal a huge story for weeks?

His Democratic replacement is under investigation for putting his mistress on the payroll. There is no mention of this at all on AJC.com. Why not?

Because the AJC doesn’t care about informing its readers. The AJC cares about spinning reality to get their candidates elected. That’s OK thought. So does the rest of our liberal media.

By Copyleft

October 14, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Madman Zell: I realize you’ve been programmed to talk only about Obama, but this topic is about the Georgia STATE race for Senator… not President Obama.

By Bosch

October 14, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

“Ford shares are at 1.99. Same price of mac-n-cheese”

LOL!!! I love mac-n-cheese, not Ford’s so much though.

Good morning bloggers!

Has Bush already blabbered about this morning? Did I miss it?

By Ray

October 14, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

Byte Me,

Already, nearly 40M+ people in this country of 200M+ people filing a tax return pay little to nothing into the tax pool. As each of these entitlement programs further raises that bar, more and more freeloaders out there will be added to that 40M. The importance of their vote in perpetuating this system is evident by the ACORN people rounding up every drunk on the street, and many who were not even there, to re-elect the same people who give them what they want. The Congress could change the tax code to make it more fair to the middle class but that doesn’t protect it’s voter base, now does it? Problem is, when the entitlement people get to a certain number, they will control the vote and then hard working America will not have a chance. Core principles?…… how about hard work, responsibility, accountability, and devotion to something other than a monthly check? And that’s just for starters!!

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

T: My prediction on the automakers is that — in exchange for declaring backruptcy and getting their financial house in order and accepting high mpg rates on all cars they make — that the government takes ownership of their existing pension liabilities (not their future ones, though).

It makes a lot of sense if you think about how many people are employed in the auto industry, how much payroll taxes could be raised by them, and how much cheaper their cars will be once that happens. It might be the only reasonable way to save those companies. The Sovereign Funds don’t want them.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Ray,

Just a guess here, but you must make over 250,000 or have a lot of capital gains coming your way.

Brings to mind an old song: “I will Survive” with new lyrics.

At first I was afraid I was petrified Kept thinkin’ I could never live with Bushie by my side; But then I spent so many nights Thinkin’ how he did me wrong And I grew strong McCain, you’re back from outer space I just walked in to find you here with that sad look upon your face I should have changed that stupid lock I should have made you leave your key If I’d’ve known for just one second you’d back to bother me Go on now, go walk out the door Just turn around now (‘cause) you’re not welcome anymore Weren’t you the one who tried to hurt me with that Dumbell? Did I crumble Did you think I’d lay down and die? Oh no, not.I. I will survive Oh as long as I know how to vote, I know I’ll stay alive; I’ve got all my life to live, We’ve got all our votes to give and we’ll survive, We will survive. Hey hey. It took all the strength I had not to fall apart Kept trying’ hard to mend the pieces of my broken 401K, And I spent oh so many nights Just feeling sorry for myself. I used to cry But now I hold my head up high And you see me somebody new I’m not that chained up little person still in fooled by you, And so you feel like droppin’ in And just expect me to be free, Now I’m savin’ all my lovin’ for someone who’s lovin’ me Go on now.. etc.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 14, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Jim Martin’s new ad

By Bosch

October 14, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Mike,

How much coverage has the AJC given to the fact that Sarah Palin was found guilty of abusing her power as governor and has the potential to be sued by her former PSC?

How much coverage has the AJC given to the fact that McCain changes his “plans” everyday in a feeble attempt to energize his campagin?

Those are real stories that people would like to hear about that is relevant to today.

Your story? Not so much.

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Mike @ 8:53 goes: “waaahhhh — it’s all the liberal media’s fault! waaaahhhh!”

So where was your “liberal media” when your guy W was lying and drum-beating for invading Iraq???

By Analchord

October 14, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Nixon said that voters dont respond to love, but fear. If the GOP plays on our fears to protect it’s 40%, when we’re already afraid…..

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Ray @ 8:57 — I’m assuming you also believe that creating jobs for those “freeloaders” is another gov’t entitlement??? Please tell us how many jobs have been created by your trickle down theory of economics during the past 8 years???

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Ray,

(I’m not sure your numbers are right, but I’ll accept them for the moment, since I’m too lazy to investigate them and you didn’t post a link to verify)

What your numbers say to me is that we have too many poor people and you don’t like the way they vote for their own self-interest.

Just the same way that some people will vote for anyone who says “lower your taxes” even if a rampaging debt is not in the country’s best interest.

Maybe if we figured out how to have fewer poor people, we’d end up with more Republicans?

BTW, do we have more now than in 2000? Sincerely curious about that and wondering if your citation had that info.

By lrd

October 14, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

GOP been watching :dodgeball:? Cotton McKnight: I’m being told that Average Joe’s does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match. Pepper Brooks: It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ‘em.

By Analchord

October 14, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

A vote for McCain is a vote for chains. End slavery. Vote Obama.

By hillbilly ragger

October 14, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Ray @ 8.57, those people who aren’t on the hook for federal income taxes are paying taxes to FICA from the first penny earned.

Funny how this inconvenient fact gets overlooked in these discussions. Particularly in light of how FICA surpluses have funded Republican (and to be fair, Democratic) stupidities of all kinds for the past 40 or so years.

I don’t expect you to care, much. But you might keep in mind that every time you whine about “freeloaders” (your lovely term) who most of us think of as “working poor” are, in fact, paying taxes, if not as heavy a burden as you’d like to see imposed on them.

But… it’s… the … DEMOCRATS who want to raise ALL our taxes, right? right?

(I know, it’s gotta be tough, keeping all the contradictory memes and hypocrisy in order.)

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 14, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Mike….

The guys name is Tim Mahoney and he needs to be tossed under the bus.

By Ray

October 14, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

GOPs got to Go,

What’s wrong with making over 250K? 15 yrs of expensive education, beeper 24/7, rarely going to one of your kid’s birthday parties, strained relationships, stress nearly all the time…… 45 yrs of this.
I used to drive through obviously entitlement filled neighborhoods near most any hospital and would often pass lots of houses with very able bodied people on the front porch popping their first beer at 7:00 AM, watching me drive by on the way to a day full of surgery. Good, solid Democratic constituency supporting hard working America and proud of their country. Yeah, right.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

lrd,

Funny analogy with Dodgeball. “If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball”

Palin keeps flinging those wrenches, luckily Obama has reflexes like a cat.

By N-GA

October 14, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

There needs to be a lot of change in the landscape of corporate America before we see a rebound with legs. (I think we are in violent agreement!).

e.g.: Nardelli and his uber-rich backers at Cerberus are looking for an angle, any angle to try to recover their dumb investment in Chrysler. Daimler was dumb enough to buy Chrysler, but smart enough to dump it when they could.

Cerberus probably has enough connections that they can engineer a buy-out with GM or Ford using taxpayer dollars (before W’s term ends).

e.g.: Just like in the S&L disaster, the In’s will find a way to use government (taxpayer) dollars to buy assets at pennies on the dollar. And who would these buyers be?

Then a cottage industry will evolve around re-cycling (re-packaging) risky mortgages into “new-and-improved” securities that are properly rated and priced for risk.

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Core principles?…… how about hard work, responsibility, accountability, and devotion to something other than a monthly check?

Ray @ 8:57 — please also tell us how your corporate welfare recipients might also apply your core principles in the future… thank you.

I’m just guessing that you’re even more outraged at how many BILLIONS of $$$ your corporate welfare recipients have been receiving off the backs of us hard-working taxpayers, correct???

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Mike, but they had room for really interesting stories like:

Inmate who says he’s too fat to die to be executed

Personally, I’m not so interested in an extramarital affair between a man and a woman, but Mark Foley is a predator and a hypocrite and deserved what he got. I assume that Palm Beach voters will turn the seat over to the D guy’s challenger, which is fine by me.

By David

October 14, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Saxby Chambliss is the biggest shill in government, and it will be a pleasure to see him go, if the vote actually goes that way. The way that he campaigned against Max Cleland earned Saxby a seat in Hell, as far as I’m concerned.

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Ray: Core principles?…… how about hard work, responsibility, accountability, and devotion to something other than a monthly check? Sorry, I missed that part.

Are you talking about Congress??

I want something I can measure. Like pay off the Federal debt (not deficit, but the whole $10 trillion) in 10 years, regardless of what that does to tax rates. Come up with things like that and then we can talk.

By hillbilly ragger

October 14, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Godzie @ 9.18, yeah, Tim Mahoney is officially Dead To Me.

Guy was no friend to the Obama campaign anyway.

Ray, I doubt anybody posting here thinks there’s anything “wrong with making over 250K.” If you can do it, great!

What is wrong is providing tax cuts to those income levels at a time of war, something John McCain opposed back when he still seemed to have a mind of his own.

Lastly, I’m the last one to make rude, stereotypical remarks about upper income earners. They come in all shapes, sizes, ideologies, and colors. Why do you make such hideous remarks about the working poor; why do you depict “lots of” them as drunks?

Also, you want to define just what “entitlement filled” means in this context? Is that a new term for “n#gger”? Or are you just flinging crap and hoping something sticks?

By Soothsayer

October 14, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Good morning everyone. This was posted yesterday on Wooten’s blog by ALVIN. It’s just too good not to be repeated. I’m off to make some money.

WHAT IF……

Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?

…..think about it.

Would the country’s collective point of view be different? Could racism be the culprit?

Ponder the following:

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn’t read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama’s family had made their money from beer distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama: Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

Vs

John McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters – journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education isn’t everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.

By Bosch

October 14, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Yes, I think we are in agreement. I’m kind of “non-violent” though just for the record :-)

Good examples. Nardelli - what a snake.

I think you are absolutely right. The “Ins” will find a way to use this to their advantage.

For anything to change, I agree with your assessment of the corporate landscape, but will also add we have to put blame where it’s due and that is: us - the complacency of the voter to not pay attention.

I have found it rather funny that both candidates have said they sounded the alarm bells months/years/decades/eons ago to this problem - that may be true, who knows. But it really had to take a catastrophic turn to get people to pay attention, and I don’t think we’ll necessarily forget - but then again we live in the world of “hey look at that, over there - it’s shiny and pretty, don’t you want to buy it” and our attention goes elsewhere.

By T

October 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Ray

There is nothing wrong with making 250k a year. You earned it.

Maybe you can send the info for your tax guy so I can get all those tax refunds back. I don’t have 4 children. So, that doesn’t work. I do understand that I don’t pay “taxes” (which no I really didn’t know till I looked up FICA, why do I owe him so much money) but anywho, how are we going to pay for things.

I agree that people should not get free money if they are able to work. Reform. There is all kind of liter on the streets, I’ll pay my share to get them brooms and garbage bags to pick it up.

It is unfortunate that these programs are poorly regulated. I also think that it keeps some people from bettering themselves. However, there are some that use it as assistance when they need it, the correct the mistakes that lead them there.

By GOPs got to go

October 14, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Ray,

There is nothing wrong with making money. I pay those same taxes, I just look at it a little differently. We live in an amazing country where my recent ancestors did not have college educations and lived very modestly during the Depression. My parents went to college and their children are better off than they were. Do I sometimes resent “freeloaders”? Yes I do, but when I look around at what I have, I still feel blessed. I have worked full time since I was 20 years old. I am healthy and still able to work. I like working, it gives me fulfillment and I know I can make a difference. I do not have to work, I was never the kind to want to ask my husband for money. I would much rather earn it myself and save for what I want to buy, like trips to Italy.

When you drove by those people did you not feel any compassion? It must be a dreadful way to live. When I drive by those people I think I am lucky to have an education and a job and a family that I love. I look at taxes as something necessary to live in a Democracy that has public education, a military, police, firemen, and sometimes welfare. Do you think that those freeloaders are happy? I don’t. I think they are a product of poverty, ignorance and poor parenting. No one wants to live like that Ray. Do you deny that inner city schools are a joke? Most are so under funded that it is difficult to learn. When children are shown that they are not worth anything it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It is called self esteem, and they have none. Picture yourself born to a West Virginia coal miner Ray, would you have been as successful? I look at it this way, every one of those children deserves a chance, whether they take it or not is there choice, but a little help and push in the right direction is worth a little more taxes to me. I do not have to resent paying when I can, I am blessed.

By TN Gelding

October 14, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

October 14, 2008 8:50 AM

I hope you’re right!

By "The Corporal"

October 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

This Acorn thing is growing wings!

October Surprise?

By Taxpayer

October 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Some of these Republicans and their so-called thought processes are just plain amazing. Oh, if we only had everyone making at least $250k per year, a new war every year, free markets, no regulations, and no taxes for anyone making over $250k per year, then all of our problems would be solved. We would all be living in Perfect, USA. We must elect Republicans so that we can have Perfect, USA. What a bunch of maroons.

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly, T and GOPsGottogo— I’m also wondering how ole Ray knows that those “freeloaders” drinking those beers at 7:00am as he drives by are really “freeloaders” and not hard-working tax-paying Americans who work the night shift and are enjoying their beverages after a long night’s work? How the heck does ole Ray know just by looking at people as he drives by: who they are, what they do for work, and that they’re not some of his own ignorant Repug voters who put W back in office in ‘04?

How the heck is ole Ray all-knowing about other people, just by driving by them on his way to work? Is ole Ray clairvoyant or something???

By TW

October 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker said on Tuesday the U.S. housing sector faced more losses and the economy was in recession even as authorities moved to stabilize the financial system.

Foreign Policy: $10 billion a month occupation

Domestic Policy: Recession

Overall Republican Grade: F

By E

October 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Now McCain wants us to believe he is the good guy, with only our best interests at heart.

I don’t buy that for a minute. His behavior and that of his running mate and campaign have proven that this man is the rogue candidate.

A sudden rush to try to change his image won’t work. He has shown his true colors, and 3 weeks of playing suck up doesn’t work.

I want a team who has been honorable the whole campaign.

Hey McCain, Let’s talk G. Gordon Liddy!

Obama/Biden ‘08

By Goldie

October 14, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Overall Republican Grade: F

TW — and isn’t it amazing that about 30% of the Repug Party believes they’re entitled to another 4 years of more disaster-making?

By Truth

October 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Goldie…. The only people with a sense of entitlement is the democratic voter!

By hillbilly ragger

October 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Goldie @ 10.15, I figured your question was implicit in my question as to just WTF “Entitlement filled” was supposed to mean.

They say that racism is a lot more subtle these days than it used to be, but is it, really? I’ll bet that letters to the editor—which is all these “comments” threads are, albeit on steroids—from whiny white folks griping about those uppity, shiftless Colored folk wanting equal rights, were just as genteel as what we see here now.

Only difference is, there are a whole lot more decent, rational folks of all colors calling them out.

By getalife

October 14, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

w promised the socialism for the rich will be temporary.

Its a no lose gamble for some stocks in the market.

Get it while you can.

If you need a small business loan, now is the time to get it too.

By TN Gelding

October 14, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Democrats have to raise taxes to get the deficits under control the Republicans invariably leave. Clinton raised taxes AND cut spending. Conveniently, the GOP fails to mention the latter.

I agree about setting a goal of paying off the national debt. It’s very doable with the amount of wealth in this country. THEN we could reduce taxes, mostly on the wealthy. Let’s face it, most of us aren’t paying that much any way, although we like to complain about it.

What sense did it make to cut taxes on the wealthiest among us and then expect them to buy the record debt? Well, they didn’t, but foreigners stepped in to pick up the slack.

One thing I agree with Senator McCain on, freeze spending. Of course I would apply it to defense and the VA, as well. Unfortunately there are deadbeat vets just like every other category. It would be nice to do it Obama’s way, with a scalpel, but that ain’t going to happen. Too many people protecting their turf.

By Copyleft

October 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

The only people with a sense of entitlement is the democratic voter!

This is true. We’re entitled to run the country because the Republicans have completely failed at it.

By getalife

October 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

“Jobs, baby, jobs”: Hillary and Bill hit the stump with a new chant.

Yup, yup.

By Truth

October 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

CopyLeft…. Living with a sense of entitlement is why you are a democrat. Living with a sense of personal responsibility is why I am not!

By E

October 14, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

There is this overweening sense of entitlement among Republicans that the presidency is, by rights, theirs. That sense of entitlement dies hard, and itself will likely be rubbed bloody and raw when Obama wins.

I’m confident there will be some who will not give up despite being told by the voters that they have to.

Obama/Biden ‘08

By getalife

October 14, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

McCain proposes his new economic plan for the debate tonight.

Tax cuts for the rich. Stay the course with failed w policies.

Obama’s plan is much better for the people.

Game over.

By TW

October 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

E - well said. They also own the American Flag AND The Bible. Real shame they don’t know how to take car of ‘their stuff.’

By professional skeptic

October 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

I am not voting for any Republicans, simply because they have embraced an appalling sense of entitlement that has resulted in trillions upon trillions of dollars of overspending.

Republicans have got to learn that it’s bad policy buy what the nation cannot afford, simply because they feel entitled to spend taxpayers’ money.

They simply must learn to live with a sense of personal responsibility.

Good riddance Republicans.

By RW-(the original)

October 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

“It’s not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”—Barack Obama

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life’s prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs—Karl Marx

I thought we’d seen this movie before, but I guess after years of government schooling it’s time for a rerun.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let’s say Barack wins the Presidency and Democrats hold the House and Senate, but only have 59 Senate seats. Are you going to stick with the platform of blaming the Republicans in 2010?

Jay B.,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t it take 60 votes to break a filibuster? If so then assuming a straight party line vote the Republicans would need 41 seats not 40.

By ByteMe

October 14, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Truth: so this gives you and all the “personal responsibility” Republicans an opportunity to think about how you (and them) ended up losing so badly in this election and in 2006.

I know when the Democrats got seriously whupped in 2004, they spent the time to figure out where they went wrong and then made corrections. And it’s paying off for them.

Start here:

  • Divorce yourself from the excesses of social evangelicals and cultural division.

  • Commit to fiscal responsibility, which likely means raising taxes to cover your present and future commitments. Cutting the budget isn’t going to get you there, based on the latest budget from the White House, so the “no new taxes” is becoming a debt albatross around all our necks.

  • You can have a different list. This was mine. The point is that you can point fingers and claim that it’s all those stupid/poor/illegal/whatever people who vote for Democrats or you can do the heavy lifting and fix the brand with new and serious commitments to things the political middle want to see the government do.

    By RW-(the original)

    October 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

    CNN/USA Today Poll 10/2/2000

    Gore 51%

    Bush 40%

    By ByteMe

    October 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

    RW: You think Lieberman will caucus with the D’s after the election if Republicans only get 40? Republicans might decide to make him “Grand Poobah” if he’s the difference between control over cloture and not.

    By Richard

    October 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

    All I know is that Congress is a complete disaster. I look at it as an entire body of idiots and morons. Therefore, I’m going to be voting against EVERY incumbant on the ballot. Chambless happens to be one of them.

    Don’t think this is limited to Chambless. I will also vote against everyone in this Congress until they’re gone.

    (Now what do I do with two Congressmen running for President? I want to vote against both of them.)

    By ByteMe

    October 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

    RW: Yeah, and Dewey was leading Truman. So what? One poll does not a trend make.

    By RW-(the original)

    October 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe,

    I have no idea, but I suspect the Democrats would offer him something of a lot more value to get 60 seats than what the Republicans could offer to get 41.

    In any case, I don’t believe that there would be many issues where you would have a straight party line split on cloture, but the premise of Jay’s article assumes an even split so I had to comment under the assumption of his premise.

    By Truth

    October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe… ByteMe. I said nothing about Republicans. I only said that my sense of personal responsibility was was why I was not a democrat. There are many things that I disagree with when it comes to the Republican Party, but atleast they believe in a persons individual rights. I can make decisions for me and my life way better that the government can…. because I am responsible. Get off your high horse about Republicans this and Republicans that. Just because us clear thinkers refuse to vote for a terrorist sympathizer like Obama doesnt make us Republicans nor does it make us racist (I know that was your next thought)

    By getalife

    October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

    RNC eyes $5M bailout for GOP senators.

    Borrowing money for corrupt gop Senators is a terible investment.

    Horrible.

    By Goldie

    October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

    RW— I too believe, like Obama, that everyone should have a “chance at success”, and what that means is that we need to create new jobs for all the Americans who’ve lost theirs due to your failed economic policies of the past 8 years or so… continuing to give more taxpayer $$$ to CORPORATE WELFARE recipients, and shipping jobs oversees so that those CEOs can make even more profit due to cheap labor, has obviously not “trickled down” to those Americans who need to work and create a living for themselves.

    McSame\Palin — Unfit To Lead.

    By ByteMe

    October 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

    Richard: One of them will be gone from Congress either way. You’ll have helped make that possible.

    By Tom

    October 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

    Saw a private screening of movie “W” last night. Well done - VERY well done. And equally accurate. For those who know the truth of the Bushes, you can see Dubya at his lifetime-of-failures best, plus his drunken, psychopathic best. Only fault I could find - they should have released it sooner.

    By Goldie

    October 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

    Therefore, I’m going to be voting against EVERY incumbant on the ballot. Chambless happens to be one of them.

    Richard @ 11:32 — I guess you’re just trying to keep it extra simple for yourself, so that you don’t have to make decisions based on information such as who is working hard for YOU in Congress vs. just calling them all idiots…

    By ByteMe

    October 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

    Truth: You have trouble with your own thoughts, don’t assume mine.

    And if you’re so no government intrusion into personal lives, then I can assume (heh) that you’re for abortion on demand. No?

    Or are you really a man without a worthwhile party (i.e., Liberatarians)? Really? Haven’t seen one of those in the wild for a while.

    By Goldie

    October 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

    but atleast they believe in a persons individual rights.

    Non-Truth @ 11:37 — please tell us all how the Repug Party supports women’s individual rights to control her own body and reproductive choices… and please include how the Repugs’ efforts to stop the teaching of birth control measures ties into individuals making decisions for themselves about their own bodies.

    Thank you in advance.

    By paisana

    October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

    Most people getting “earned income” tax credits are not only not paying their share of social security and medicare tax but are actually getting some or all of the payroll tax withdrawn from their fellow workers’ pay checks as part of their “refunds.”

    Ah Max! How fickle the public. Didn’t get much support this am didja?

    By Citizen of the World

    October 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

    Oh, come on Truth @11:02, live up to your name and quit pretending that everything is so black and white as “Democrats=Lazy good for naughts” and “Republicans=hard working and personally responsible.” The truth is much more complex than that.

    In the circles I travel in, the Democrats work every bit as hard as the Republicans and take equally good care of themselves and their families. Most are well-educated, and many of them do quite well — I dare say making over $250,000 a year. They just don’t want a bunch of fascists running our country.

    Here are some thoughts to leave you with:

    Sinclair Lewis: When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

    Benito Mussolini: Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

    Vladimir Lenin: Fascism is capitalism in decay.

    Take the Republican policy of corporate welfare and their philosophy of deregulation, which led to the recent meltdown, then add Republican popularity-contest winners like Born-again Bush and Pipeline from God Palin, and it reads like a formula for fascism to me.

    By getalife

    October 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

    What did the electoral vote look like back then RW?

    More gop racism

    Pitiful.

    By RW-(the original)

    October 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

    Richard,

    Considering that the Green Party candidate and The Libertarian candidate are both former Congress critters you may have to vote for Chuck Baldwin.

    Goldie,

    I’m not surprised the meat of the quote was lost on you. That’s why politicians like Obama and Marx always start with the shiny objects to distract the weak minded. In both cases I quoted above the thrust comes at the very end.

    By hillbilly ragger

    October 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

    “Most people getting “earned income” tax credits are not only not paying their share of social security and medicare tax but are actually getting some or all of the payroll tax withdrawn from their fellow workers’ pay checks as part of their “refunds.””

    I call BS. Cite, please.

    By Truth

    October 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe… you were the one assuming mine you piece of entitlement trash. And yes… I believe in the baby’s right to live.

    Goldie… So it is the governments job to teach birth control? What are perents for?

    You two deserve or are entitled to each other…

    By "The Corporal"

    October 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

    Ol’ Abe Had it Right!

    <>

    You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

    <>

    You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

    <>

    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

    <>

    You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

    <>

    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

    <>

    You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.

    <>

    You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

    <>

    Abraham Lincoln

    By getalife

    October 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

    Lets take a look at the inside trading today:

    “Obama could win 364 electoral votes, traders say:

    Barack Obama is likely to pick up 364 Electoral College votes, far surpassing the 270 needed to claim the presidency, by winning battleground states including Virginia, Ohio, Florida, and Colorado, online traders say.”

    Thumpin.

    By Goldie

    October 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

    Non-Truth @ 11:53 — I didn’t say anything about the “governments job to teach birth control”… I asked you about the Repug Party supporters like you who want to claim you believe in “individuals’ rights” and yet doesn’t believe in a woman’s individual rights to control her own body and family planning… whose rights are you talking about exactly — men’s rights???

    By ByteMe

    October 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

    Truth: Name calling is for people who can’t think. So they resort to “Nyah nyah, you’re a poopyhead!” which is what you did.

    Truth hurts.

    By Midori

    October 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

    The freaks may come out at night, but here on the blogs, they come out during the day.

    By Goldie

    October 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

    RW @ 11:50 — you apparently have a very narrow view of what constitutes “success”, or is it just raging paranoia on your part?

    Oh OK.

    By "The Corporal"

    October 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

    Did anyone see/hear the redistribute the wealth statement Obama got caught making to the plumber in Ohio yesterday? Don’t laugh. He’s going to resdistribute your wealth too liberals. No whining when it happens please.

    By Midori

    October 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

    CNN/USA Today Poll 10/2/2000

    Gore 51%

    Bush 40%

    that was pre-Diebold.

    we know the rest of the story.

    By TN Gelding

    October 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

    Truth

    October 14, 2008 11:53 AM

    Too many parents don’t do it and have their own sexual hangups they haven’t overcome.

    By paisana

    October 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

    People who receive “earned income” tax credits are not paying their share of social security and medicare contributions. They are “refunded” the payroll tax we are all required to pay plus in many cases money withdrawn form the pay checks of their fellow workers.

    By Dave

    October 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

    Until the Republicans lose and start becoming fiscally responsible again they deserve to lose every election. Chamblis is nothing more than a Bush Republican time to take out the trash Chamblis is 64 and a dry well.

    By RW-(the original)

    October 14, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

    Goldie,

    I guess I’m going to move upstairs, but where did you find anything about a measure of success in my 11:50?

    By Dusty

    October 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

    Dear Corporal,11:58

    Good quotes from Abraham Lincoln. He certainly understood strong principles.

    I wish he were here to counsel Democrats. They have lost just about all of Lincoln’s beliefs. A sad day for the country as Democrats attempt to force their “change” on the rest of us. That “change” seems to mean socialism or communism. I prefer the American way of freedom and not government control.

    By paisana

    October 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

    re payroll taxes IRS forms/instructions for required payroll tax deposits

    By TN Gelding

    October 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

    paisana

    October 14, 2008 12:08 PM

    I like the EITC concept, but we simply can’t afford it at this time. Some of those folks are going to have to give up their beer and cigarettes.

    By "The Corporal"

    October 14, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

    To Dusty

    This will probably not be the end but certainly the biginning of the end if he gets in (Supreme Court nominees, etc.). There will be others worse than Obama who follow.

    A democracy is the only type of government that is set up to allow its own destruction ….. and that is sadly what we are witnessing in our lifetime.

    By Fly_on_the_Wall

    October 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

    Truth @ 11:53

    No, it may be necessarily be the government’s job to teach birth control but it definitely isn’t the job of government to restrict that information. You tried to change the argument on that one and it won’t work.

    By Taxpayer

    October 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

    Hi Grunt Corporal, How are you doing today? Fine, I hope.

    By Hasell Brown

    October 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

    @ Corporal: 11:58 and Dusty: 12:20

    I have no disagreement with that…but Lincoln needed to counsel Republicans as well as Democrats. Think about this:

    You can destroy the people on the top by weakening the foundation on the bottom

    You can Balkanize the nation by focusing only on the rich….

    You have to teach people the ART of success for the DESIRE for success to grow

    You have to CREATE the opportunity for the pursuit…rather than to EXPORT the opportunity to another land

    Someone has to HAVE a pair a boots if they are to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps

    I don’t think anyone who is logical professes to desire government control….but government can set the atmosphere for prosperity or decline! Under the Republicans, I have only seen decline; under Democrats, I have seen prosperity! If THIS can be viewed as change..then CHANGE is EXACTLY what this nation needs!!!

    By LieberMcBush

    October 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

    Jay I approve of this message!

    Governor Sarah states we should bomb terrorists in Pakistan if we know where the targets are!

    Let’s start an independent party!

    I approve of this message!

    By JAY BOOKMAN

    October 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

    To The Corporal and Dusty:

    Abraham Lincoln never said those things. Go look it up.

    “These words are often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but according to the book They Never Said it: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, they are not from Lincoln.

    The quotes were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister. He released a pamphlet titled Lincoln On Limitations, which did include a Lincoln quote, but also added 10 statements written by Boetcker himself.”

    By Shawny

    October 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

    Too many moonbats wish for a filibuster proof majority and the presidency. That is bad regardless of which party holds it. We sure loved the ‘progress’ when Carter and the dem majority of the late ’70s were in place. And it wasn’t even a 60 vote senate. yuck and no thanks.

    Corporal at 11:58…nice points. It never ceases to amaze me how so many think that they are entitled to what others have amassed.
    Each give according to their means and receive according to their needs….Karl Marx/Obama/Biden

    By Shawny

    October 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

    Does SHE really mean it, or is she up for relection soon?. I think we know the answer. But I can only hope not to have to hear her shriek again.

    By TN Gelding

    October 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

    Dusty

    October 14, 2008 12:20 PM

    Then you must have been miserable for the last 7 years, 8 months and 25 days.

    By TN Gelding

    October 14, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

    “The Corporal”

    October 14, 2008 12:25 PM

    That’s why our Founding Fathers gave us a republic.

    Can we keep it?

    By %%%%

    October 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

    Ray @8:36, don’t worry so much. If the nation has survived the past eight years of G.W.B. we can survive anything!

    By BS Aplenty

    October 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

    Why Barack Obama Should Not be President

    Barack Obama attended the Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago, Illinois, for almost twenty years. Attended, taught, learned, worshipped and sang along with his wife and children until his abrupt resignation in May 2008. That resignation was brought about due to heightened national awareness of the “nature” of Obama’s congregation. A nature that was further brought into focus by unsavory sermon tapes of former TUCC minister, Jeremiah Wright. But for all the bluster and ignorance reflected in his sermons, Wright’s ranting from the pulpit only hinted at a deeper, more troubling truth about TUCC and Obama.

    What is it that made TUCC such a political liability to the first African-American nominated by a major political party? The answer to that question lies in the doctrine and teachings of TUCC. In short, this congregation, unlike ANY other United Church of Christ church in the United States, adopted, endorsed and promotes the doctrine and teachings of one James H. Cone. Cone systematized what has been called black liberation theology as outlined in his two books, the first entitled, Black Theology and Black Power and a follow-on, A Black Theology of Liberation. These are the only two books sold by the Trinity United Church of Christ on its website. TUCC doesn’t sell or give away the BIBLE on its website – a circumstance I find very telling.

    The two books mentioned are, to say the least, “interesting” reads. Black Theology and Black Power is the seminal work on black liberation theology and A Black Theology of Liberation is a follow-on. Cone viewed his theology as, “…complete emancipation of black people from white oppression by whatever means black people deem necessary. So-called (white) Christianity, as commonly practiced in the United States, is actually the racist Antichrist.” “Theologically,” Cone affirms, “Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil’.” And, there’s more – much more - but you get the picture.

    So there you have it, the principal doctrine endorsed and promoted by the Trinity United Church of Christ teaches the overtly racist sentiments of James H. Cone. The preaching and “ignorance”, as some say, of Wright is shown to be symptomatic of that larger racism and neglects to see that the entire TUCC congregation accepts the doctrine of Cone under the guise of a Christian church. Wright was just a mouthpiece, it’s the congregation, including Obama, which endorsed and promotes this racist doctrine.

    ANY person or group that attempts to systematically demonize another group because of race is, by definition, RACIST.

    Needless to say for Obama and his presidential campaign by May 2008 the ‘cat was out of the bag’. And, after twenty years of commitment to TUCC, Barack Obama finally, cynically made a decision to leave. A decision his avid campaign supporter, Oprah Winfrey, made several years earlier as she cynically managed a business agenda of her own. One would have to be patently naïve not to understand the motivation behind both departures. Nor is it much of a political stretch to acknowledge the release of these sermon tapes focused attention on the fall-guy, Wright, while diverting a direct, and potentially, campaign-ending blow to Obama.

    What one is left with after all the media lights have dimmed is this unsettling fact. For twenty years Barack Obama accepted the racist doctrine of his church – twenty years. And, only when this inconvenient truth was brought to national light did he decide that maybe that doctrine was no longer acceptable.

    Recently, TUCC responded to pointed observations about its racist doctrines and renovated its website removing the James H. Cone texts and other Black Liberation rhetoric. Previously, the Cone texts were the only doctrines sold on the TUCC website. During this presidential season, the congregation has substituted other texts for sale that now do not mention Black Liberation Theology. That “bump-bump, bump-bump” you just heard was the sound of James Cone being thrown under the political bus to provide cover for the Obama campaign.

    TUCC has a way of casting out doctrine and preachers faster than Jesus could cast out demons.

    Can you feel the power of their political, er, religious conversion?

    By The Snark

    October 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

    Mr. Chambliss has been in the Senate for six years. Will someone please remind me what he has accomplished for Georgians during that time? Just one specific example would do. Anyone? Hello?

    By "The Corporal"

    October 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

    To TN Gelding:

    It really is no longer a Republic. That changed when the Constitution was changed to allow direct election of senators by the people instead of by the States as the State’s represetatives.

    To Jay

    Yes, there is some controversy on that. Reagan used those words once in a speech and attributed them to Lincoln. In any case, it doesn’t really matter. The words speak volumes for themselves even if they were anonymous.

    By Copyleft

    October 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

    Keep it up, BS. You post this nonsense every day, and every day Obama’s poll numbers keep going up!

    By Goober

    October 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

    BS aplenty:

    Ah you are an American built on the truth as you now it! You may not have actual evidence on how a person thinks or what they believe but what you state is good enough for me!

    I am goober and I approve of BS aplenty message!

    Palin for Moose burgers Restaurants!

    Yee-Doggie!

    By Shawny

    October 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

    Jews beware Obama.

    Excerpts: The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.

    Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

    By GOPs got to go

    October 14, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

    Yeah Jews will be so safe with Sarah trying to start Armageddon and get raptured. Too bad Bristol is going to He11 now

    By Say What?

    October 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

    Republicans deserve to get the boot for their inept mishandling of our government for the past decade. Perhaps a four year exodus from Washington will allow them to regroup and return to the core values that made them so popular in the mid 90’s. They’ve become arrogant and unaccountable, and each and every one of us…and our kids and grandkids…will pay the price for their self-aggrandizing grip on power.

    How in the world can we continue to cut taxes while increasing spending AND conduct two wars simultaneously? Grow a set, America. You want to take on the world, you better be willing to pay for it.

    By Paul W

    October 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

    I am not frightened as much by the possible election results as I am by the ignorance and immaturity demonstrated on here by my fellow “voters”.

    I am amazed at the lack of thoughtful debate on this blog, the inability of most people to address their political opponents without name-calling, and the level of the class warfare being displayed.

    Why won’t you people think? Can anyone tell me how 95% of the people can get tax cuts when 40% don’t pay taxes? Do you realize the burden necessary for the other 5% to bear if this is done? The reality is that it is mathematically impossible, but people are too blinded by propaganda and class warfare to even THINK!

    The truth is that the suckers have fallen for it, and think that they will benefit from these promises, but they CAN’T. You can continue to be tickled that the “man” is getting screwed by the economy and that Obama will get him even more, but basic economics suggest that if he keeps his promises, the deficit will become unmanageable, you will lose your job, and your pensioin plan will go broke.

    Be careful what you wish for, but mark it on the wall that Obama CANNOT keep his promises without bankrupting this country and you along with it. Continue to defy reason, but start preparing for the excuses that President Obama will be giving you about the inability to give you all that you were promised.

    I am still waiting for a poor man to give me a job. Continuing to want to screw the wealthy is like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs- you will be sorry in the end, and the really wealthy will find a way to keep theirs anyway. Government taxation and over regulation is why a lot of you have seen your jobs move overseas.

    All in Washington, whether democrat or republican, are self-serving with very few exceptions. You dems may think that you are getting perks for yourself, but it won’t happen; you are just enabling ANOTHER group of crooks.

    You folks demonize Bush and Cheney when all you can give us is Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd and Obama? Where are the REAL leaders?

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