Jay Bookman

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this

Morning All!

Here’s the cherry on top of the icing on the cake that was last nights debate:

Judge Peter Michalski threw out the lawsuit filed by five Republican state legislators who said the investigation had been tainted by partisan politics and was being manipulated to damage Palin shortly before the Nov. 4 presidential election. ”It is legitimately within the scope of the legislature’s investigatory power to inquire into the circumstances surrounding the termination (of) a public officer the legislature had previously confirmed,” the judge wrote in his decision.

Troopergate ON.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Look at Jay dismiss himself from reality:

Really. I’ve seen better debate performances from a street wino.

Meanwhile, back on Earth:

Mrs. Palin couldn’t match Mr. Biden’s fluency on Bosnia or Darfur last night, but not too long ago neither could Barack Obama. The Republican nominee more than held her own on foreign policy in general, and in our view won on points at least on Iraq and Afghanistan. She didn’t let Mr. Biden get away with interpreting the comments of a U.S. general in Afghanistan as a rejection of Mr. McCain’s strategy. And on Iraq she exposed both Mr. Biden’s change of heart on the war, and his change of heart on Mr. Obama’s views on the war. At times Mr. Biden even looked a little frustrated — as if he couldn’t quite believe he had to share the stage with someone who hasn’t hung out with Dick Lugar.-Wall Street Journal

And she was absolutely right, even Biden and Oblahma can’t agree on foreign policy and Biden has criticized him, not to mention Biden voted for the war.

They have no idea what they would do.

Divide Iraq into three countries, do tell us, who’s idea was that?

By Me

October 3, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

I think the real question is: how do YOU look at yourself in the mirror everyday? You espouse nothing but hate and distortions, and you are no better than the people you skewer. It would be nice to hear something positive in your columns, from time to time.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

AND lets sprinkle a few nuts on top:

As part of Katie Couric’s interview series with both VP candidates, Palin and Joe Biden were asked to name the best and worst things that Cheney has done over the last eight years. The responses stood in stark contrast, to say the least…..Flash to Palin, sporting a goofy smile: “Worst thing, I guess, that woulda been the duck hunting accident, where, you know, that was, that was an accident. And that was made into a caricature of him, and that was kind of unfortunate.”

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

According to a CNN poll, 51 percent thought Biden did the better job, while only 36 percent called it for Palin.

I guess it is all in who you are asking:

{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…BIDEN 29% 82,624 PALIN 69% 193,703

I don’t need a poll to tell me who won nor do I need to comfort myself with polls like you pinkkkos apparently do.

By Skeptic Tank

October 3, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this

Never before has such an unremarkable performance been lauded by so many for so little.

Republicans - we LIKE Sarah. She is engaging. She is charming. She is undoubtedly brilliant.

But she is a sorry excuse for a potential vice president.

You’re delusional if you think otherwise.

By Ted Striker

October 3, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

John Biden was

A) Presidential and dignified in his demeanor

B) Gracious and non condescending to an overmatched oppenent

C) Intelligent, articulate, warm, masterful in communicating to the everyday American.

Sarah Palin didn’t really prove anything — she just avoided putting her foot in her mouth last night.

By Hoser

October 3, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

If this hick ever becomes President, we are in BIG trouble. Don’tcha know ehh!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this

Really. I’ve seen better debate performances from a street wino.

Somebody got in trouble for saying McBushie won the debate last Friday before the talking points were officially dispersed.

And now he is desperately trying to get back in good with the fever swamp crowd.

Where childishness is a strength.

By Kevin

October 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Sitting through last night’s display, it occured to me that it has been nearly 5 elections since we’ve seen a legitimate conservative argument articulated in a Presidential or Vice Presidential debate. Not since Bush 41 lost to Clinton, have we been able to see a Republican use the sharp edged sword of conservative ideology to argue against the detriments of liberalism.

It is an absolute travesty that the rightwing has beeen reduced to a hockey mom trying to prove she’s not a ditz .

By Houckster

October 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Well, Ms. Palin gave the Republicans the best performance they could expect. No one looks great defending a brain-dead set of policies that Mr. McCain has had to adopt to win the nomination. The reality is that any tenuous claim Mr. McCain had to being a mavarick was lost when he prostituted himself to the Hard Right during the nomination fight otherwise Mr. Huckabee would probably be the Republican nominee.

Some people might have been fooled by Ms. Palin’s feisty retorts to Mr. Biden but if anyone cares to analyze those retorts, they almost never included any factual information that could challenge Mr. Biden’s claims.

In the end, the weight of the factual content of Mr. Biden’s comments proved insurmountable. And the American people are apparently coming around to this conclusion as well.

Hopefully, the American people are emerging from the Hard Right’s ideological darkness and moving towards a more pragmatic stance where both parties are going to have to work for their support by showing real accomplishments, not smoke and mirrors.

By Spin Cycle

October 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

Poor Joe Biden. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

Had he gone for the jugular, as he most certainly would have done had his debate “partner” been of the male persuasion, he would have been painted as a woman-hating chauvinist.

And when he comports himself as a gentleman, gently nullifying Gov. Palin’s superficial talking points, he is painted as the loser of the debate.

Anyone who watched last night and didn’t think that Biden tore the Republicans a new one…is a partisan fool. As an independent, I know where my vote will be going.

By Grampus

October 3, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Jay - You need to get a new picture. Seriously, glamour shots went out of style around the turn of the century.

By Eric1

October 3, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Excuse me, Miss Me. Check your Funk And Wagnalls for definitions of hate and distortion. I don’t see any of that from Jay. Or, you could just read the post from Miss Mgmt. There you’ll find perfect examples of those dreaded emotions and actions. If you loved Palin before, you’ll love her after. If you take an objective look at the debate, you’ll find that Jay is right on target. She showed very little depth and not too great a grasp of the issues. She gave talking points and she was folksy, but she didn’t do or say anything to indicate that she or McCain should be given the job. Her performance was better than that of Dan Quayle, but that ain’t sayin’ much. Sorry, but those are the facts.

By Dennis

October 3, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Wow! I must have received a different feed than you guys. I have DirectTV. Does their signal bounce off a satellite that revises the transmission content?

By JP

October 3, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

And I agree with the posters who suggest that the poll numbers are skewed by the pollsters themselves. I believe that by far their were more Democrats and Undecideds than Republicans watching this debate. Democrats waiting for Palin putting the final nail in her coffin (which they did not get) and Republicans staying away to avoid the same. What about us that want real answers to our problems. We got nothing.

By gadem

October 3, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Jay you are right. The bar was actually set so low for her, how could she not succeed. As far as winning the debate…only the same people that put party before country would say that she won…how can one win a debate if they avoid the questions? Sarah was a master at avoiding questions and sticking to her talking points…how can neo cons take that as a victory. Joe was actually very reserved because he knew he was facing a lesser opponent…world leaders will not be as gracious when dealing with her. So for that reason alone, she is not VP material. I can guarantee you that she will not be on the national or state scene after her term is up as governor of Alaska…don’t you know…eh?

By Ted Striker

October 3, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

I didn’t think there was such a thing as “wasting pixels” in cyberspace but this AJC/DNC blowhard wastes some serious bandwidth. I don’t even read it anymore, I just see his name and skip to the next post on the thread.

Too bad he can’t hit the snooze button on his rants.

By Cal

October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

What a glorious day it is today. Palin won the debate and didn’t fall on her face like all the liberals said she would. Life couldn’t be better.

By ByteMe

October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

If you watched CNN’s insta-reaction graph during the debate, you saw an interesting trend.

When Palin was on point and speaking directly to the issues clearly and concisely, her numbers went up. When she went to “cute and adorable” to fill time and act like “everywoman”, her numbers were initially up, but then after about the 20-minute mark in the debate, that tactic was leaving viewers cold and her numbers went flat during those periods.

In other words, cute and adorable worked for a few minutes, but then people wanted red meat from her on the issues and when they got them, she scored well and when they didn’t, she didn’t.

Since Biden’s answers were always on point, he scored well with the crowd on every answer. He doesn’t do “cute and adorable”, thankfully.

Palin lives to babble another day. Had the rules not been changed at the last minute at the insistence of the McCain campaign, there would have been more follow-ups and give-and-take and we would have seen more of Stammerin’ Sarah, who can dish out platitudes and newly remembered facts, but when the questions start to get pointed and specific, just veers off into disaster.

Count the number of times in the debate where she didn’t answer the question in front of her likely because she didn’t know the answer. Count the number of times he did. Figure out who really understands the issues you’re facing and that the country is facing.

By T

October 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

She did well. I could understand her. She didn’t talk in circles that lead to no where. I would not go as far and say that she won.

By BDAtlanta

October 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Joe didn’t laugh in her face. I wanted him to crack up, grab his belly and roll around on the floor with a good gut laugh.

He didn’t condescend either. Joe won.

By Me

October 3, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Eric1, you seem to have mistaken me for a Palin supporter, which I am not. Where exactly in my comments did I stick up for her or issue my support??? My beef is with Jay, and my remarks refer not just to this article, but all his articles. Palin-palooza? Street winos? Come on, those are just cheep shots, and you know it. How about an article that actually discussed points and counter-points of the candidates, without focusing on the “folksy” crap, which any serious person can see through. These are serious times, and it would be nice for the AJC to hire a serious, respectful, and at least somewhat-fair journalist to cover the liberal side of things. Stop the hate, Eric1. Those ARE the facts.

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Dang, nobody called “sheets” downstairs. Thanks a lot, guys.

By MJC

October 3, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

It’s the day after the Debate and I’m still waiting for Sarah Palin to answer half the questions!

Is this the Flat Earth Society or what? If Sarah Palin would have said last night that the Earth was Flat, half of our state would have bought it. Well then, Sarah Palin has a Road to Nowhere to sell you too!

By BDAtlanta

October 3, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

Johnny Mac pulls out of Michigan? Looks like he has Obama on the run?

I’m sure some of the contributors here can spin that one.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

How about that Gwen Ifill?

The rightwing blogosphere’s near freak out over the moderator yesterday sure looks stupid!

By RW-(the original)

October 3, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Jay’s just ticked off because Sarah got to talk directly to the American people instead of to his cronies so they could edit her into oblivion.

How about this whopper from Biden?

BIDEN: Can I clarify this? This is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad.

Oh really? Who’s mug was on that screen as leader of Iran?

Also shouldn’t a guy that has a law degree, been in the Senate for nearly four decades, and spent most of that on the judiciary committee know that the executive branch is laid out in Article II, not Article I?

By Ben

October 3, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Biden made some errors, and on things he’s supposed to be an expert on. Any Constitution expert, as he supposedly is, should know that article one refers to the legislative branch, not the executive. It may picking at hairs, but it’s more significant than many of the things people criticize Palin about, especially since Biden call himself an expert on the subject.

Anyway, who cares who the polls say won the debate? The only count that matters is the one in November.

By Joey

October 3, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Let’s say we polled 1000 regestered voters; 500 Democrats, 400 Republicans and 100 Independents, with the question: Whom do you support for President, Obama, McCain, Other or Undecided.

48% choose Obama, 42% choose McCain, 1% choose Other, and 9% choose Undecided.

Obama lost at least 2% of the Democrats. MaCain gained at least 2% of the Democrats and Undecided.

Obama is 6 points ahead, but who is losing votes?

By just me

October 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Ifill: GOvernor Palin, is the sky blue? Palin: The American people are ready for green grass and that is just what the maverick John McCain is going to give them. Senator Obama once said the grass was “forest-colored”, not green. Surely, Joe has to recognize that the grass is actually green! (Wink, blow kisses).

Is Palin a VP candidate or just some schoolboy crush for the Republicans? She reminds me of the moms wearing “carpool candy” shirts picking up their kids from school. She knows energy, but apparently that is all she knows.

By Steve

October 3, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Go to Factcheck.org and see how much both canidates did not tell the truth. This is what a neutral analysis should be discussing. Not who won or lost.

An example from each: Palin state that troop levels were at their pre-surge level. Not true.

Biden stated that McCain said he would not sit down with the leader of Spain. Not true.

Why doesn’t the media hold these people accoutable. I know why because Jay is just like them. It’s about winning and losing and not about the truth.

FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate

By Ted Striker

October 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin winks better than any pig with lipstick I’ve ever seen.

By G Bangs

October 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Could Someone please get the fact checker out for Biden. I guess it’s easy to defend yourself when you’re making up stuff. Fox news had him with 10 factual errors that were not even debatable and another 6 that you could at least kind of argue. Where is the media on this???

Nobama08

By Tom

October 3, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Palin was/is empty. She did nothing more than regurgitate the talking points she had obviously been given to memorize. Again and again she ignored the question and moved on to her own talking points. Slick move for Joe Sixpack - but obvious to anyone with an education. She is what she is: a backwoods hick who’s never been out of those woods, and an extreme religious fanatic who is desirous of raw power. She should be an embarrassment to everyone - but sadly she is not. Woodchucks of the nation, unite!!

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

“Meanwhile, back on Earth:”

Let us know when you get there, Luckotroooool.

By Skeptic Tank

October 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Based on the “possum in the headlights” look on her face, Palin most likely didn’t even realize that bankruptcy laws were changed last year.

And when queried about the Bush administration’s foreign policy shortcomings with respect to Israel and the Palestinians, the most she could muster was “ISRAEL IS OUR FRIEND”.

Oh, dear Jesus. I’ve heard better recitals of right wing talking points from callers to the Sean Hannity show.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

All Oblahma Bin Biden said, and any idiot can check the transcript, was “Bushie bad, Bushie bad, Bushie bad, Bushie bad, Bushie bad, Bushie bad, Bushie bad.”

“Cheney, uh.”

From the first sentence to the last blubbering tearful closing statement, blah, blah, Bushie, Bushie, blah.

Now contrast that with the comments from the dimwit nation and you can see that they have been stuffed full of their happy moonbat comfort food.

Idiots R you.

By Earl

October 3, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Tina Fey may have a harder time this week doing a SNL skit but I am sure she’ll try. If SNL were fair, which they won’t be, they’d have a payday with Biden. Biden would be a SNL dream-come-true if the show were fair with the hairplugs in front, the bald on top, the George Washington hair in the back and the oversized caps on the big toothy grin. The media is well aware the Obama-Biden ticket from the start needed special treatment. Ask Hillary. Ask Bill. When you get a headstart, the results of the race will always be sketchy. She kicked his old butt last night.

By lovelyliz

October 3, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Like Sarah Palin, I was raised in a middle class family and have worked my whole life. But unlike Sarah Palin, even though I am still middle class, I got a passport before I was 40 and managed to see some of the world even though none of it was first class.

As far as Palin’s debate performance, she’s pretty good at it, but given that I am not a lesbian or a heterosexual man, all that flirting was totally lost on me.

By JLE

October 3, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

Palin responded to questions with the same old McCain talking points that, no doubt, had been drilled into her head until she says them in her sleep. Biden answered questions with facts, figures, and intelligence. He SO won last night. Unfortunately, it wasn’t an overwhelming win because Palin stayed on her tightrope, didn’t repeat her prior performances, and did the “cute” thing.

By Jeff

October 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

You have to be a democrat to work for the AJC

By lovelyliz

October 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

There are far more Americans with passports than there are with beauty queen titles.

By BDAtlanta

October 3, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Is it weird to want or expect your leaders to be as smart, if not smarter, than you?

Let’s say you have Tony Romo as your starting QB and he is doing pretty good. But you also have a third string QB on the team who agrees with everything you believe in and he’s a great guy to hang out with while Romo is a bit standoff-ish. Do you choose the third string guy or do you choose the guy with all the tools?

Do you choose the guy who graduated last in his college class? How about the guy who left his wife while she was temporarily disabled and in a wheelchair? (Oh, that’s character now, isn’t it!)

I want the best person running - the smartest, brightest, well-centered person running. I think we deserve that. We should expect more from our leaders than what we’ve sunk to these past 8 years.

By findog

October 3, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Your query on the Mayor is lopsided as that he is a politician and can lie like that with a straight face. When he gets to the pearly gates he now has two problems: #7: ‘You shall not commit adultery’ and #9: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

As far as the governor she might have learned the lesson from President Bush about winking, recall that the Queen of England admonished him; she added at least two to her delivery, which does not make up for a lack of coherence.

By Tom

October 3, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC/Homo-Hater/Duh seems ta be crackin agin this morn. He’s “dirtied” himself agin, A’ll betcha!

By Mike

October 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

Wow! Jay Bookman thinks a Democrat is better than a Republican?

Stop the presses!

By gafarmer

October 3, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Sorry guys, ya’ll got it wrong. She was talking to us folks with dirt under our fingernails. She was talking to us through the give and take with Biden. We got it, you didn’t. We don’t care about hair plugs or pretty faces we would like ,for once, someone who fulfills promises.

First time since Harry Truman that a real person is on the ticket, and she was a successful business person.

By drake

October 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

pinkkos.hehehe

Palin looked like whay she is..an ambitious cheerleader who memorized her answers for the talent portion of the Ms. President pageant.

About the only people that want to see her in office, other than the Creationist kooks, are the horny world leaders looking forward to her serving them coffee at summits.

By paisana

October 3, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Let’s have Palin debate Obama. It would be a bit more level playing field if Obama were allowed a slight handicap, though.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

So who are these two bozos running against?

I think it’s neither the best or worst of Washington, but it’s evidence of the fact that the economic policies of the last eight years have been the worst economic policies we’ve ever had.

Two weeks before that, he said George — we’ve made great economic progress under George Bush’s policies.

There are ways to help people now. And there — ways that we’re offering are not being supported by — by the Bush administration nor do I believe by John McCain and Governor Palin.

And look what President Bush did. After five years, he finally sent a high-ranking diplomat to meet with the highest-ranking diplomats in Iran, in Europe, to try to work out an arrangement.

But you asked a question about whether or not this administration’s policy had made sense or something to that effect. It has been an abject failure, this administration’s policy.

The fact of the matter is, the policy of this administration has been an abject failure.

We will change this policy with thoughtful, real, live diplomacy that understands that you must back Israel in letting them negotiate, support their negotiation, and stand with them, not insist on policies like this administration has.

And a policy that would reject the Bush Doctrine of preemption and regime change and replace it with a doctrine of prevention and cooperation and, ladies and gentlemen, this is the biggest ticket item that we have in this election.

Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history.

No one can deny that the last eight years, we’ve been dug into a very deep hole here at home with regard to our economy, and abroad in terms of our credibility.

And, the grand finale:

Biden suggested in the 2004 election cycle that McCain could build ties with Democrats. McCain’s maverick status may have alienated some Republicans, but it made him appealing to Democrats, Biden noted.

“I think that this is a time for unity in this country and maybe it is time to have a guy like John McCain — a Republican — on the ticket with a guy he does like,” Biden said, referring to 2004 nominee John Kerry. -USA Today

bwahahhahahahahahahaha.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Who won? Depends on who you ask. Even today’s ajc poll has it roughly 50/50. Go to drudge, and it is overwhelmingly Palin. Go to the communist news network, and it is overwhelmingly Biden. “many of the truths we cling to depend on our point of view” - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Neither stumbled. Neither dealt a knockout blow. Neither damaged their presidential candidate, so both did what they wanted to do.

Since Bookman is a communist, of course he can away with “I’ve seen better debate performances from a street wino”. Well maybe I have read better rational review statements from Josef Goebbels. idiot.

What Palin did right is call out Biden on the party mantra of linking McCain to Bush which is ludicrous. She called him on constantly looking backward instead of forward, and that was dead on.

What she should have done is asked Joe some direct questions like when Joe made the lame attempt to paint Obama as one that works in a bipartisan fashion because he was losely linked to the bill with Richard Luger (that one that 20 or so other senators worked on). She should have asked him to name one other piece of bipartisan legislation Obama worked on. That would have been a home run, as there have not been any. Then she could have listed the bipartisan bills McCain has crafted with the likes of Feingold, Kennedy, et al. But she didn’t.

Her biggest mistake was that she angled her time toward defining herself instead of hitting Obama. Biden hit McCain instead of Palin, which was smart, as we aren’t voting for a VP, we are voting for a P.

By ByteMe

October 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

BDA: Vote INTELLIGENCE!! I don’t want the person running the country to be a C (or worse) student. I want the person at the top of the class so they won’t get steamrolled by the “masters of the universe” the way the current President did.

By David

October 3, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Honestly, I thought this debate was far more interesting than the sorry Presidential debate, where McCain didn’t even look at Obama. McCain and Obama merely reiterated campaign points more than actual debate.

At least in last night’s debate, both parties were more poised, looked at each other, and actually responded to each other’s talking points. I will say that Palin did far better than expected, but failed to draw a picture of her plans for the future —- other than further expanding VP powers, something that need not be done.

By Gordon

October 3, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

I would like one person to explain why Obama is more qualified to be president than Palin is to be vice-president. You can vote for McCain and take a chance that someone without much experience will be president, or vote for Obama and be assured of it.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

Ok, someone asked for a little factchecking…

BUT, Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

By Republican

October 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Your right, she was in a different class than Joe Biden … the middle class, with me and millions of other Americans that are going to put her in office.

By T

October 3, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Steve

I haven’t checked out fact check butthis site said a lot.

By Taxpayer

October 3, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Sarah did the best she could with what she has to work with and of course that was more than she actually needed in order to out-shine her hard-core supporters. After all, does anyone really have any doubt about the composition of the hard-core Republican base at this point in time. She could have stood there and did a finger-puppet routine or sang happy birthday…So, I mean really, what has our process of candidate selection been reduced to and just how low is the Republican party willing to go with each passing election in order to dredge up a voter base. The Republican party is dead and their choice of candidates are walking proof of that fact.

By Eddy

October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Person in Ohio asks who he is supporting (this is on video)…can’t make this up.

“Barack! I mean, I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle. You know. That’s how I like it to be. You know.”

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

I am an Obama supporter, but rethinking my position following last night’s debate. Biden looked as exactly as one would suspect a representative of the corrupt DC inner circle to be - by his smile one can tell is is a jackal interested in only feather his own bed and those of those who have purchased him (which see, NYT article concerning his home>.) Palin on the other hand showed the common touch and a true connection with real Americans and an absences of commonality with thos inside-the-beltway power brokers who hav wrought crisis after crisis upon the backs of Joe Six pack. Biden woulthed his talking points, but put his tail betwwen his leags and cowered when by Palin. As an example, when Palin said, “”Your plan is a white flag of surrender.”, Biden smile the smile of a jackal being corn-holed, but had no response. I agree with Gov. Palin, “It’s time that normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency.”

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Well, duh…The money is meant to pay for health insurance. That is like saying car payments will go straight to the automakers.

By David

October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

The real question is, do you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results? Like an insane person? If you do, you might be a Republican.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

So no dems just like Biden want to argue against the fact that YOUR candidate for vice president said that YOUR candidiate for President is Dangerous and Not ready to lead. You people either have to do one of two things either contiunue to say all the great of Biden skipping over his numerous misstatements, and adimit that he is right Obama is dangerous and is not ready to lead. Or you have to say that no our vice does not know what he is talking about. Either the man is right and Obama is dangerous or he is wrong and we should discount his opinion.

What say ye Jay and other Dems.

By Truth

October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage “will go straight to the insurance company.”

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it’s meant to pay for insurance. That’s like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Gordon @ 8.53, you go right on claiming that Obama somehow isn’t “qualified to be President.”

This isn’t an issue to a majority of American voters any more. They know the guy; they’ve heard him, seen him, had a chance to take their measure.

It’s down to issues now, and McCain’s got precious few if any that resonate. Maybe he can chant “drill baby drill” and continue to make up stuff about how Obama will “raise yer taxes.” Maybe someone will buy it?

But experience? Please. Obama’s professional and political background are rock-solid. The only people continuing to harp about about it are the right-loons, and they’re not the voters up for grabs.

By ericmiami

October 3, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Rudy who?

By Donald Smith

October 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Being a Vietnam veteran gives me at lease a small piece of credibility about the white flag. If I hear this surrender business I am going to throw up, especially from someone who has not been in a war. The so called conservatives like to say we can’t surrender. No, let’s have a few thousand more sons and daughters of America die for this senseless war; Stopping a fruitless war that has harmed America on more fronts than I care to mention is a GREAT VICTORY.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

3, McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.

That is the most ridiculous statement in the campaign to date. Bush, the executive, does not vote. He signs bills that pass the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled congress. He doesn’t have an opportunity to sign or veto bills that don’t pass. And the majority of bills that do pass the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled congress are ‘do nothing’ bills, feel good bills… you know the type…more money for education, more benefits for veterans, yada yada yada. The bills Obama votes for also in many cases, because they have to first pass the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled congress.

By Truth

October 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Rock solid??? LMAO

By Felix

October 3, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 7:50 AM

Divide Iraq into three countries, do tell us, who’s idea was that?

Joe Biden’s and mine. It’s the only thing that will work long term.

Jay B, she would be ok as VP, as would you or I, but not president.

By David

October 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

I think you people raving about Palin are nuts. I have a spunky girl, just like Sarah Palin, who works in my office. She’s persistently upbeat in a giddy sort of way, communicates well, attractive, but not very bright at all. I like her, but I don’t entrust our critical IT processes to her because she’s just not capable.

Sarah Palin should not be VP for the same reasons. She’s just not capable.

By findog

October 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Ok,

Lets she if the governor can pass this imaginary or imagery test.

World expo of a future kitchen with Putin and Palin in attendance, would the governor be able to hold her own and defend the American way of life?

Kitchen debate two: would you rather have Biden or Palin replace Nixon against Putin for Khrushchev as to the best method of squeezing lemons?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

FACT CHECK DUDES….

Add up the couple’s 2007 income and the estimated value of their property and investments and they appear to be worth at least $1.2 million. That would make the Palins, like Democratic vice presidential rival Joe Biden and his wife Jill, well-off but not nearly as wealthy as multimillionaire couples John and Cindy McCain and, to a lesser extent, Barack and Michelle Obama.

ASSETS OF $1,200,000.00 AIN”T MIDDLE CLASS

By RW-(the original)

October 3, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

That bill Obama uses as his claim to fame of cross party coalition building passed by unanimous consent.

Normally I would agree with you about what Palin needed to do in slamming the top of the other ticket, but after the hit job ABC and SeeBS did on her she had to let the people know who she was.

Now that she’s put those behind her she can slam Obama from the stump. She needs to hang a great big ACORN around his neck.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

…and here is the best one yet, regarding that ridiculous statement that a democratic can give a tax break to 95% of Americans. Pul-lease…

Read this Zogby piece.

“The statistics speak for themselves. Only 62 percent of Americans pay federal income tax, meaning that 38 percent get a 100 percent refund of any taxes withheld. So Mr. Obama’s 95 percent that will receive money from the government includes roughly 33 percent of Americans who pay no income tax. One-third of Americans pay no income taxes yet would receive a government check of perhaps $1,000 or more. “

Biden says “fair” and not income redistribution. DO THE MATH!

By Get Real

October 3, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

If I hear Alaska is an energy-producing state one more time, I’m gonna scream!

To say that she did a good job was a farce. She told the moderator that she wasn’t going to answer the questions, but speak to the American people. She was asked a question about the mortgage crisis, and went back talking about Alaska as an energy producing state for like the 10th time last night. She gave a ‘shout-out’ in the middle of a Vice Presidential debate! She sucks.

By Happy

October 3, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Barack Hussein Obama II - the name says it all - it’s just plain scary as hell to most people.

By Stoned Mountain

October 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

The wily repubs had a plan.

Whenever Palin felt cornered, she changed the subject —- pulled out her index card and went to some other canned pitch. They had already Mau Maued Moderator Gwen Ifill with the conflict of interest charge, nullifying any chance she would be an aggressive moderator and say, hey, babe, you didn’t answer, get back into the debate. Ala Katie Couric. So in that framework of course she handled it without embarrassment. The debate is no debate. She didn’t fool anybody.

By dubp11

October 3, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Let me break this down for all the brain dead liberals on this blog

Nobama/Biden= Pull out of Iraq and let Iran move in.

Nobama/Biden= Tax increase on corporations which in turn will raise the prices on all goods and services

Nobama/Biden= Force health care on every single American… it would be nice to have choices

If you think 8 years under Bush was bad just wait and see how we will be a socialist society if you let Nobama and Biden run this country.

By ucanthanddlethetruth

October 3, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

Palin did terrific last night! Now she can do an interview with Meet the Press, CNN with Campbell Brown or Hardball with Chris Matthews….(eyes rolling skyward)

By Disgusted

October 3, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

If nothing else, this election has cemented one thing for me: you journalists abuse your power of access. I’ve had it with Charlie Gibson, Katie Couric and you. You are supposed to report the news - not make it.

By matabala

October 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Why is it that all you liberal columnists love to quote CBS and CNN? Those two “news” agencies are closer to Cuba than Alaska AND the American public knows it!

By What!?!?!?

October 3, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Listen conservatives. Take a serious look at that debate again. Then compare other debates by conservatives. She had no command of the issues. When she was asked a question she went to a talking point. Her best answers where when she touched briefly on the answer and then went to a talking point. When she didn’t have anything she would mug for the camera or wink or try to be folksy. Listen I will give you guys she was more folksy. But she did not have command of any issues. As much as I hate to say this, Cheney was better in his debate performance against Edwards than Palin was against Biden. Cheney is a charmless troll, but at least he was familar with issues and could debate them intelligently. Palin is charming, but if you take aware her talking points and “down home folksy ways” she is an empty vessel. To compare her to Obama is laughable. Obama has a grasp of the issues. You may disagree with his issues but he can discuss his ideas and support them with facts and reasoning. For goodness sake she didn’t even answer the question of what her achiles heel was? She talked about how great her ticket would be. She is not ready to lead. Just be real. You can still vote for them if you want but be real. Race should not matter but I almost wish Obama was a white man named Josh Smith because this race wouldn’t even be close.

By Jim Turner

October 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

I could have written Jay’s column prior to the debate! His bias is so obvious that I write his column before an event (i.e. debate) for my friends just to see how close I hit it….entertaining propaganda…. Why not just be honest and say, “I’m supporting Obama or any left-wing socialist and this is why I fervently believe in a socialist government”

By Felix

October 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:12 AM

That’s 95% of working Americans.

By the O.G.

October 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

from *By AJC/DNC Management October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this {{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…BIDEN 29% 82,624 PALIN 69% 193,703

I don’t need a poll to tell me who won nor do I need to comfort myself with polls like you pinkkkos apparently do.*

obviously you do need a poll. you quoted one, you tool. “pinkkos” hello, mr. tool, phone call for you. it’s the 70’s they want their cliche back.

By Truth

October 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

….has a grasp? Yeah, Obama has a grasp on the Koran and the Black Power movement….

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Love the libs for bashing Palin for having an accent or for not being a seasoned debate pro. Because I remember that your reasons for supporting Obama in the early stages were raving about he was like us and he was not a washington insider.
I know many more people like Palinn than I do Obama. He has been a politician his entire adult life, while Palin has had a middle class career. Even Biden warned about Obama when he said he voted on a political basis and he was called on it last night.

You libs claimed not to want a politician, until that non politician turned out to be a conservative. You all should be more specific with your whining next time. And who knows maybe nt flip flop on what you want.

By Not Really

October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I find it hilarious that the Repubs have become so desperate as to even put Palin on their ticket. I digress, however feeble it is to state that Sarah hit a “home run” is simply sad. What Palin did accomplish is the overuse of the word “maverick” and I was so excited to see Biden shut that shyt down when he responded with “John McCain has not been a maverick when…” That was the strongest statement of the night. She clearly could not come back from that.

Let’s face it folks, it’s a wrap. Palin was fed her lines and that’s exactly what she stuck with. She’s a great hand puppet, but that shouldn’t make her VP material. The McCain/Palin ticket is a dissaster of mass proportions. Obama/Biden will be in the white house and I can’t wait for it to happen!

By Soothsayer

October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

McFAILin 08

By Mr Snarky

October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I’d give her a 4 out of 10. Which is better that the expected 2, so she overachieved which is not saying much. Joe Biden won because he came out looking like a good guy who knows his stuff. He didn’t go for the gotcha moment because he didn’t need to and that’s smart (though I liked his bridge to nowhere remark and that he brought up the Bush Doctrine). Obama and Biden need to come across as smart and steady, while McCain flails and risks overreaching and looking like an unsteady grumpy old man.

By martha

October 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

She was so clearly out of her league, but she is a good chearleader for McCain and had memorized her lessons well. Just did not convince me that she has any own ideas on the issues. I wonder what would be her tactic if she ever gets to NATO or G8 meetings : use folksy speak or bat her eyelashes ?

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

To a point above, she address the fact tha so many don’t really know her, thus she attempted to define herself too much. Had she went by the democratic playbook and slammed Obama like Biden slammed McCain (and Bush, though the two aren’t the same), she would have pleased some more folks. Calling the dems on their talking points is needed.

Obama has done practically nothing bipartisan in his rookie season as a senator.

Obama can not possibly deliver on the ‘tax breaks’ he promises and still spend like he wants to (he says he will close loopholes on big bad companies when they do their taxes, but NEWS FLASH, if elected, he will no longer be a legislator with opportunities to create new tax laws). If he really meant to do this, then WHY DIDN’T HE WORK ON LOOPHOLE REFORM AS A LEGISLATOR?

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

OG @ 9.25, the Luckotroool seems to think we’re stupid enough to think an online Drudge poll, with its obvious weighting problems, where anyone can vote, is equivalent to an actual, scientific poll with an actual margin of error is somehow equivalent. Or even on the same freekin’ planet.

It’d be funny if this were the first (or 32nd) time I’d seen this insanity, but it really isn’t funny any more.

By T

October 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Off topic.

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.”-U.S. Marine Major General Smedley Darlington Butler

By BILLY

October 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Remember this people when a Democratic comes in saying he is going to raise taxes only on the Rich we all will be in trouble he want find room for tax cuts just tax increases on us all.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

So all the democrates agree as Biden does that Obama is dangerous! You are all saying you want to vote for a “DANGEROUS” president. I thought we just had dangerous president and you did not want 4 more years of the last eight.

Make up your minds!

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

By the O.G. October 3, 2008 9:25 AM from *By AJC/DNC Management October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this {{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…BIDEN 29% 82,624 PALIN 69% 193,703 I don’t need a poll to tell me who won nor do I need to comfort myself with polls like you pinkkkos apparently do. obviously you do need a poll. you quoted one, you tool. “pinkkos” hello, mr. tool, phone call for you. it’s the 70’s they want their cliche back.

Dear Pinkkko: I quoted the Drudge Poll to show that poll results are wholly dependent upon who the pollsters are questioning, and it is obvious that the thumb suckers are clinging to the CNN and See B.S. polls for comfort from this raging hurricane named Sarah.

They will soon enough find out that evacuation would have been a better idea.

By Gordon

October 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly @9:02

Can you elaborate a little more on Obama’s rock-solid professional and political background? What has he ever accomplished that makes him qualified for the most important job in the world? Give me one piece of meaningful legislation that he has had a major role in producing in his long and distinquished career as a senator. Qualification for office is the subject of this blog isn’t it? So when I ask a simple question about why he is more qualified for a higher office than Palin is seeking (which you didn’t, and can’t, answer), I am a “right-wing loon”. Very lazy response.

Obama gives great speeches, and that’s enough for the “Entertainment Tonight” culture we live in. Jay said “She showed no mastery or depth in any field, only a capacity to skate over the issue with memorized talking points. And even then she was often skating on thin ice.” That describes Obama perfectly. But somehow that’s not a concern when we’re talking about a Democratic presidential candidate, as opposed to a Republican vice-presidential candidate.

By Ray

October 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

It’s not over yet. We have four more weeks. McCain has finally let the tiger out of the cage like he should have done awhile back. She has reaffirmed what America wanted to hear. Make fun of her all you like but she has a connect with the electorate that is sadly missing in US politics. And she is an underdog, just like Joe Namuth in SB III and the Giants last year. That funny feeling is running up my leg and I’ll bet it’s contagious.

By Swami Dave

October 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Lost in the shuffle of discussions about “who-won” or “who-lost” or who-was-better” is this simple reality:

Gov Palin used last night’s debate as an opportunity to speak to the American people. Her points and answers were not to the moderator or Senator Biden for that matter. Likewise, they were not pointed to her opponents.

Interestingly, this has been the second live (-unedited-) opportunity where Gov Palin has taken the stage to talk to the American people. In both (last night & her acceptance speech), she has done very well.

I will say kudos to the moderator who had been under some watchful eyes when it was acknowledged that she was writing a book about Senator Obama. She may have partisan leanings, but -I- felt that she performed as a professional.

Unfortunately for Senator Biden, he may have lost the war in winning this battle. For all of his policy knowledge and experience, with the exception of his discussions about his family’s loss, he was largely just reciting “facts” (many of which were anything but!) and attacking Bush, who is not running.

Especially telling (and an impression that may ultimately seal his ticket’s defeat if McCain’s campaign can tap into and leverage it) was Senator Biden’s discussions about his role in the Obama Presidency. Everyone would expect a career Senator to serve as an administration’s legislative liason, but his inference that he was going to “be there to offer support when any decisions are made” highlighted the underlying problem of the Obama campaign:

Senator Biden, while wonkish and unable to connect with the American people, has the background / experience and is qualified for the office; Senator Obama, a junior Senator serving less than one term largely interrupted by his campaign for the Presidency, is not!

For all the bravado from Jay & his liberal spinmeisters, last night was -not- a good night for Obama-Biden. The more that the American people see / hear Gov Palin; the more the see how disconnected from reality and the American people who make this country work are.

-Swami Dave

By Billy

October 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

What, ya’ll can’t come up with another analogy for the insurance thing? It has to be cars every time? The point isn’t the $5000 credit going to the insurance companies, the point is the $7000 of your earnings that will have to go to them to make up the difference in the cost of coverage. Plus, the $5000 credit is (supposedly) to be paid for by taxing employer coverage. The employers won’t want to pay the increased amount and will drop their employee coverage. That means less in taxes coming in to pay for more credits. The plan will NOT pay for itself. Somehow this “reform” will end up costing taxpayers more, both in taxes and from the wallet.

Also, regarding health care, McCain said during the first debate that he didn’t want some government bureaucrat standing in the way someone getting care, but instead wanted decisions to be made between doctors and patients. What does he think we have now? Not all bureaucrats work for the government, and the insurance industry employs god knows how many whose sole job duty is to deny authorization for treatment…for the lone purpose of increasing profit. The difference is that the government wouldn’t be trying to make a profit off your illnesses.

By lovelyliz

October 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

I want my date to flirt with me NOT my vice president.

By Davo

October 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

More vapid, canned responses from both candidates. Notice the ‘complete agreement about Israel’ between the two? Theres your foreign policy for the next 4 years plus. Agreement with the economic bailout..er swindle between both again.

Two sides of the same coin.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Here is what scares the crap out of me…say Obama gets in, with his PROVEN record (though a scant 3 1/2 yrs) of voting the party line and doing little to nothing on bipartisanship legislation… Americans, looking to make things better, toss out more Republicans because the current Republican administration has blundered too much. They get a filibuster proof majority, and start imposing their will, like Pelosi wants. Every day is Halloween, then. The day after Nov 4th, if Obama wins, you better move your 401k funds into a no risk, no reward bond fund, because the stocks will tank.

By David

October 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Well, of course, Palin cares about Israel. You can’t bring about the rapture without Israel! You betcha!

By getalife

October 3, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

They are debating the bailout for 90 minutes, no amendments, on C Span.

Kucinich is up.

By Bosch

October 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly ragger, I’m sure you can handle this one, and not trying to intervene here, because you usually have better answers anyway,

BUT,

Gordon,

In regards to Obama’s qualifications, first and foremost he is 35 years old and is a U.S. citizen. That’s the canned, smart a* answer, but otherwise, he taught Constitutional Law for 12 years, and in order to do that, you have to pretty much know the Constitution inside and out, and well, it will be nice to have a POTUS, who KNOWS the Constitution inside and out, and will not abuse it and step on it like our previous retarded POTUS has done time and time again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I thought Palin performed pretty well last night. Note the word “performed” because that’s what it was - another puppet show. She held her own though, but never said anything.

Biden was more on target, and spontaneous. This is second nature to him, and many of his answers were completely off the top of his head, and he nailed many of them. He was able to argue points much better than Palin and her canned answers.

Hell, she refused to answer the question about deregulation. I guess no one saw that but me.

The winks and cuteness were nauseating, and I thought Biden did a much better job of going after McCain than vice versa. It was painfully obvious that her answers were memorized talking points, as she rarely answered any direct questions.

Back to the “cute factor.” I knew women when I was younger who used to act “cute” when in bars in the hopes of getting horny men to buy them drinks - it would work almost 99% of the time. I don’t call that cute, I call that prostitution and we don’t need another political w*******.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Wino?

By the end of the debate, most Republicans were not crouching behind the couch, but standing on it. The race has not been transformed, but few could have expected as vibrant and tactically clever a performance as the one Sarah Palin turned in Thursday night.-David Brooks, NY Times

Overall, Palin didn’t freeze or make any major mistakes. She talked about herself more than Biden talked about himself, likely to reassure voters who don’t know much about the first-term Alaska governor. For his part, Biden didn’t go on too long and was never boorish. My gut tells me there will be a partisan response to this debate with Democrats arguing Biden won, and Republicans reassured by Palin’s performance.-George Stephanopoulos, ABC News

There were no grand moments during the debate—and no bad moments for either Palin or Joe Biden, the Other Man of the evening. Palin did what a veep candidate is supposed to do: tout the head of the ticket and attack the person topping the other ticket.-David Corn, Mother Jones

First, let me say that I was wrong—ridiculously wrong—when I said on “Hardball” before the debate here in St. Louis that the event would be the longest 90 minutes of Palin’s life. No way. She loved every minute. And when Biden said at the end that he was glad to have finally met her, he was clearly lying. It was no fun for him.-Howard Fineman “News” Weak.

By AmVet

October 3, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Kevin, GREAT analysis of this faux conservative “malaise”!

JP, good point. The number of those who call themselves a Republican is dropping like a Dick Cheney hunting buddy. Can you blame them?

Donald Smith, thank you for your service and sacrifice to the nation. It is, to me, appalling how the chest-pounders can be so utterly craven to win elections. We will leave that sh!thole “at a time and place of our choosing” to paraphrase the Chickenhawk-in-Chief.

And IMHO she completely lost most Americans with that nonsense about the VP’s powers.

And Biden probably won over most undecideds when he looked right into the camera and said, “Dick Cheney has been the most dangerous Vice President in American history”.

The governor was in a no-win position.

Thanks primarily to Bush/Cheney.

And she did her rootin’ tootin’ best to separate this ticket from the most abysmal administration in our entire history, but Americans are hyper-skeptical of getting fooled a third time by this hijacked GOP.

I guess it is all in who you are asking:

Unwittingly, Andy comes up with the answer!!!

And if you ask the American voters, the debate on the debate is over. (Did I just Joe Biden Al Gore?)

Across the board and across the nation, the American people believe Biden won handily.

(Excluding moronic far right and far left rags, etc where the numbers are going to be obviously skewed in either direction).

You may or may not like that, but individual opinions to the contrary based on yet more blind, uber-partisan denials (and haven’t we had plenty of those in the past eight years?) are about as relevant as the domino theory.

Suck it up, neo-cons and lose like a man for once in your lives…

By Felix

October 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Shawny

October 3, 2008 9:48 AM

Yeah, stocks will tank just like under Clinton. The ecomony always does better under a Democrat because they take care of the working poor, elderly and infirm. Everyone benefits, especially the wealthy and big business.

Whoever is elected will have the mother of all headaches when they fully realize the mess Mr. Duhbya is leaving them.

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Gordon @ 9.38, are you, seriously, unfamiliar with Obama’s professional and political resume?

You don’t know about his degrees, the work he did in the private sector between Columbia and Harvard? The Harvard Law Review? The decision to work for a Catholic-based nonprofit organization rather than seek certain fortune as a corporate lawyer? How he built up the Developing Communities Project from next to nothing? His success as an author? His skillful handling of the treacherous, old-boy Chicago political waters and subsequent election to the state legislature? His successful 2004 run for the US Senate? His legislative record in the Senate? His improbable primary success against the most formidable political couple in this nation’s history?

If you don’t know that, it’s not really up to me to educate you. Start with the wiki… and work your way out from there.

Or, just go on mouthing the talking points. Your call.

By Tom

October 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Sarah did everything expected of her last night, and more. She and #1 Dude drove in from Wasilla and parked at that Washington U.place. They’d been ridin a dinosaur with a bumper sticker on it what said “Jesus Is My Co-Pilot,” all the whilst watchin NASCAR and shootin moose an speakin in tongues, whilst lickin serpents’ skins.

Oncet on stage, you din see no Witches, didja? Din see no blood-drenched sex orgies, didja? Din see no masses of homosexuals, didja? Hail no! Thats fer sher! Din see no roaming demons, didja? Most of all, you din see Lucifer nowhere, didja?!? Sarah’s gon be our nex VP, I’ll betcha! Allah Akbar!!

By Truth

October 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

AmVet… why dont you be a man and put freedom first and not government first?

By Ted Striker

October 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

It’s obvious the Republican’s own ship is sinking — you”ve run like rats to higher ground — Jay Bookman’s forum.

Welcome, Republicans. We’re glad to have you with us, even if you’re cranky to discover you’ve been deluded the last 8 years.

By Loyd Benson

October 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Ray: “And she is an underdog, just like Joe Namuth”

Ray, I knew Joe Namath, and Sarah Palin is no Joe Namath.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it hilarious that at 9:55 one commenter offered his opinion as proof and the other poster offered actual proof?

bwa.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Still nothing YOUR vice presidential candidate was called on saying Obama is dangerous and never even tried to deny it, guess he did not want to add to the list of mis-statements.

So I assume we all do agree, Obama is Dangerous!

By Davo

October 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

In the spirit of ‘Even a blind squirrel..’

Bill O’Reilly shouts down Barney Frank or Even a slathering, right-wing , psychopath can make a valid arguement once in a while.

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2075

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Shawny @ 9.48, why don’t you look at how actual economics have played out under Republican vs. Democratic administrations over the past half-century or so and spare us your AM talk-radio fueled nightmares?

Here is a starting point. Tables 1 & 2 on pg 27 are among my favorites. Have fun!

By Soothsayer

October 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

POLITICO’s 2008 Swing State Map

If you didn’t see this the other day—here it is again.

By BS Aplenty

October 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Looks like those afflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome are hammered again with the truth of their condition.

The Bush Administration negotiates with AIG to loan $85 billion to the company and keep the financial sector functioning. The clear results are that the government loan will be fully repaid.

AND then the taxpayers still own 79.9% of the company. Taxpayers win BIG due to Bush Administration’s savvy economic management.

Also, sounds like clear confirmation of the liberal BDS diagnosis. Bush wins again.

Own your disease, libs. Treatment is available.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Frank Luntz Focus Group: Palin is Ready!

bwa

By Tom

October 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

TED STRIKER: McShame’s plane is going down. This will be the 6th plane he’s lost - at taxpayers’ expense. Where are you seated?? Can you take over the controls?? Over….

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

October 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Donald Smith your 9:05 AM post tells me four things: 1) you were drafted and did not enlist for service in Vietnam; 2)you are exteremly self-centered; 3) you are ignorant of history; and 4) you cling to antipathy toward other who view things differently that you do.

If you think Vietnam was meaningless, tell that to the families of the millions killed though genocide after our precipitous and needless withdrawal. Through the lens of time, historians, not to mention Charlie’s military leadership, know acknowledge that the US was winning the war and that it lost because of people like you and your boing hitting anti-war buddies.

I have served, honorably and proudly, so let me tell you one point of certitude, not one brave us boy died in vain in ‘Nam or Iraq.

20 years from now historians will look back and see that our great nation’s work in Iraq was perhaps the most noble effort ever undertaken by mankind. These same historians will look back at Iraq through the lens of time to see a success that you and your boing hitting butt buddies have once again missed.

G-d bless America and W.

By GMAN

October 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

I’m amazed at how many people on this blog don’t understand what a tax credit is or how much health insurance actually cost. Health insurance for a family of four would cost roughly $15,000/year. So, you’re making payments of $1250/month which is a hugh bill. At the end of the year, you can claim $5000 of that as a credit on your income taxes. So, what you’re actually paying in the long run is $583/month which is a big bill. McCain’s requires you to have $15,000 up front! You do the math.

Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s future!

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Felix…Hillbilly…

Need I remind you again that Clinton got out of the way and his REPUBLICAN led congress got things done. He had $9/bbl oil. He had a fake dot com boom that busted later on. Things were looking great during the Clinton years, and thankfully, congress then didn’t have a veto proof filibuster proof majority on either side.

What I said (or meant to say), is that a filibuster proof majority with a president of the same party is very dangerous. If you want to cite examples of when this combination has occurred in history, then explain how that was ‘good times for all’, then feel free. Don’t bring up the Clinton years, it isn’t a valid example.

By Shawny

October 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Vet says, “Across the board and across the nation, the American people believe Biden won handily.”

Interesting, as of this posting, on AJC.com, it is 45.8% Biden and 44.8% Palin. You are correct, this is “handily”.

By AmVet

October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

What exactly is your question, Mr. misnamed “truth”?

I’ve done that my entire life, starting with enlisting at the age of 17 during the Viet Nam war.

And my sone enlisting last year?

And you, Mr. Freedom (in name, not action) Lover?

And your children? (presuming you have found someone to breed with).

Not so much I suppose….

By Soothsayer

October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

BS Aplenty @ 10:16

“And then the taxpayers still own 79.9% of the company.” Explain to me again how this isn’t socialism.

By hillbilly ragger

October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

tcoach @ 10.08 and earlier, the reason nobody’s bothered to reply to your bit about Biden’s primary season criticisms of Obama is because we have all watched primaries before. Apparently, you haven’t? You’ve forgotten, say, Poppy Bush referring to what became the top-of-the ticket, but then-primary-candidate Reagan, as advocating “voodoo economics?” Somehow, that was forgiven. As is usually the case. As is the case here and now, with the disagreements Biden had with Obama. If they weren’t, then that’d eliminate from the VP selection process anyone who’d ever run against the top of the ticket in the primary. And that’d be kinda stupid. Obama made a terrific choice in Biden. McCain made a… well, be honest. You think going with someone that almost nobody in the Lower 48 had ever heard of prior to August was a real bright move, now?

Oh, and Bosch @ 9.55, flattery will get you everywhere, but go on makin’ those arguments. I gotta go put food on the fambly.

By Gordon

October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

What!?!?! @9:19:

I hate to break this to you, but if Obama was a white guy named Josh Smith, he wouldn’t be a candidate. He wouldn’t be in the Senate either. Maybe an Illinois congressman. The truth is ugly sometimes, but it is still the truth, and everyone on both sides knows it. You’re confusing “command of the issues” with “eloquent speech giver.”

We should just skip this election and ask Randy, Paula, and Simon give their opinions and then have everyone text in their vote. Idols01 for McCain, Idols05 for Obama. Remember that normal text charges apply. The perfect constituency to produce candidates like Obama and McCain.

By BS Aplenty

October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

I was impressed her improvement but not overwhelmed with Gov. Palin’s performance last night. However, in the short span since she accepted the VP nomination, she continues to come up to speed quickly.

She’s not a lawyer. I don’t want an out-of-touch legal scholar leading the country. Regan wasn’t a lawyer either. I’ll give Gov. Palin time to learn the minutae that Biden’s been living for the 35 years.

As Palin continues to show improvement over the remaining debates, she becomes the asset McCain needs to win the independent votes. Win the independents - win the election.

McCain/Palin ‘08 - The Right Kind of Change

By getalife

October 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Rudy was talking about Joe Biden. Joe gave the performance of his career.

Ahnold said California can’t get a loan and needs a bailout.

This will seal the deal for the bailout. They will spend over 1 trillion but the economy will continue to tank.

Globalization is failing.

By Taxpayer

October 3, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Palin has a great big albatross around her neck. In case you children forgot, it’s called the failed policies of the Republican party. McCain and Palin could have at least maintained a little integrity if they had labeled themselves as Independents. After all, they are such hypocrites calling out their own failed administration and the failed principles and policies of their own Republican party. Losers promising to change their own bad ways if we just give them yet another chance. Thanks but no thanks.

By What!?!?!?

October 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Martha at 9:30

That was funny! I’m sure Putin would love her folksy ways. Plus I’m sure once she winked at him he would melt and allow us to put our missles right next to his country and stop invading Georgia.

Repubs, Palin is a nice woman. I will give you that. I’m sure she is very charming in person. That does not qualify her to be president. McCain listed on Tuesday in his interview with the Des Moines register that one of her qualifications was that she served on the PTA. THE PTA!!!! Would you accept that qualification from Obama or Biden. NO! Why are you accepting it from Palin. It’s not logic so it has to be some other reason based in emotion.

By Gordon

October 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Bosch @9:55

Are you serious?

Saying Obama is qualified to be president because he taught constitutional law for 12 years is as stupid as saying Palin is a foreign policy expert because she can see Russia from her back yard.

Just admit it. He’s black, he’s eloquent, he’s a Democrat, and that’s good enough.

By ByteMe

October 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer @ 10:29, I think the phrase you’re looking for is “lipstick on a pig”.

By gadem

October 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

So let me get this right…conservatives identify better with brain dead beauty queens than someone that actually has been successful in life…nice to know.

By Annie R.

October 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

It would have been interesting to see if the cocky confidence she exhibited could have been maintained if Joe Biden had lowered himself to her level and started attacking her back. She knew he wouldn’t, and that’s a shame. This was a joke. Her answers were non-answers, memorized talking points from her stump speeches that didn’t have anything to do with the questions. I’m voting here in GA today for Obama/Biden. This isn’t a game, John McCain, where the ugliest low down cheating dishonorable player wins. This is my country.

And, as an aside, I’m wondering if McCain is spending so much money in AK attempting to cover up and shut down their investigation that MI is only the first pull out. Facts and figures would be interesting.

By RB from Gwinnett

October 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

“So I have a question: After saying something so foolish and dishonest, how does Giuliani look at himself in the mirror this morning? How does he expect people to take him seriously?”

Jay, you do realize half the state of Georgia says the same thing about you after reading your column every day of the week, don’t you?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Proof positive that we do not need a bail out:

The Citigroup deal would have been done with the help of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., but the Wells Fargo deal for Wachovia will be done without it. Shares of Wachovia and Wells rose in morning trading, while Citigroup shares fell.

“This deal enables us to keep Wachovia intact and preserve the value of an integrated company, without government support,” Robert Steel, Wachovia’s president and chief executive, said in a statement.-Yahoo

By Ted Striker

October 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Moderator: Governor Palin, tell us what the present administration has done right or wrong with the lingering Israeli-Palestinian conflict — assess what they’ve done — and what your ticket might do differently.

Palin: I had a good conversation with Henry Kissinger recently. He’s passionate about diplomacy. And that’s what John McCain and I would like to engage in also with Israel and Palestine. It’s hard work. Let me just say that soccer moms and Joe Six Pack are worried about the mortgage crisis and we need to drill more for self supporting energy.

Moderator: How does that tie in to the Israeli and Paelestinian conflict - and what the Bush administration maybe did right and wrong versus what you and John McCain would like to accomplish?

Palin: Shout out to the 3rd graders in Alaska! Woot! (wink wink) Washington insiders! Washington Insiders! There you go again, Joe! Bad doggie. Bad doggie (finger wag, wink wink).

By Dusty

October 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

What fun!! Sarah Palin won that debate with great ease. She didn’t break into tears or tangle facts or live off the past. She was Sarah Palin, fine American women and governor of Alaska, ready to serve as VIce President.

What a breath of fresh air in Washington! How good to see patriotism as part of proud citizenship! Faith and family not treated as weird. America APPRECIATED!

Oh she won all right. She will be the fire and McCain will be the force. The future is looking better already. Go McCain/Palin 2008

By Bosch

October 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Gordon,

“Saying Obama is qualified to be president because he taught constitutional law for 12 years is as stupid as saying Palin is a foreign policy expert because she can see Russia from her back yard”

Um, I’m gonna let that one go on its own accord.

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

October 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

gadem @ 10:35 AM

By “successful in life” do you mean someone who was able to buy his home with the help of a convicted felon’s wife or do you mean someone who got a 6,800 sq ft mansion on four acres on a lake through special interest brokers. I prefer Todd and Sarah who saved for the down payments and did not get a sweetheart submarket deal as Obama did.

By Bosch

October 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Dammit! I hate it when I hit the post button too soon.

Gordon,

I said that is ONE thing he’s done that qualifies him to be president, hillbilly ragger, as I knew he would, said plenty more. Sorry to say, I don’t know Obama’s resume by heart.

AND, I also said it will be nice to have a POTUS who understands the Constitution instead of one who doesn’t know his a* from a hole in the ground.

By BS Aplenty

October 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Top Ten Things to Expect during an Obama Administration

10.Cynthia Tucker discovers there’s life after racism but can’t find much to write about

9.The National Anthem is changed to “Can’t Touch This (Country)” by M.C. Hammer

8.The Rev. Jeremiah Wright finally converts to Christianity

7.The Irish government mistakenly claims “President O’bama” as a native son and commends him for weight gain since his ‘Potato Famine’ emigration

6.William Ayers is appointed Secretary of Defense and hailed by media as an “experienced hand dealing with terrorist groups”

5.Oprah Winfrey moves to Washington, D.C. but claims she’s only there to redevelop the city

4.Excessive faculty celebration leaves Tuscaloosa with a newly named “University of AlO’bama”

3.Chris Matthews “outs” himself and confesses to serious “leg tingling” for most of adult life

2.Jay Bookman finally gets an invite to an Inaugural Ball but must clear tables afterward

And the number one thing you can expect during an Obama presidency

1.Alaska is put up for sale

McCain/Palin ’08 – The Right Kind of Change

By Taxpayer

October 3, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

ByteMe,

“Lipstick on a pig” works too but you know how sensitive some of these hard-core Republicans are when we try to summarize as succinctly as possible. It’s all they can do to get the “Duh” out. So, I try to spell it out for them only to find out that an inability to spell is the least of their problems. So, I am just satisfied with letting some of these Republicans provide the cheap entertainment. It beats driving around searching for a Sonny’s gas station, for example.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly some other things Obama has been able to achieve in his career.

18% higher murder rate than 1 year ago in his district in Illinois.

More have been shot and killed in his district over the summer in his district than in the same time frame in Iraq.

Has shown no record of bipartisian ship. He has voted 96% of the time with his party on every important issue.

The district he was state senator of had the worst education system in his state.

On the plus side he has had some good, like great speech in Denver and I believe another good speech in San Fransico, well that was the one about guns and god.

-Biden knows Obama is dangerous why don’t you?-

By Gordon

October 3, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly @9:38:

His degrees? George W. Bush has degress from Harvard and Yale.

His 2004 run for the Senate? There are currently 100 people in the Senate. There are many more former senators. That makes you qualified to be president? I don’t think anyone has made the case he is qualified to be in the Senate.

Being a successful author? Imagine what a great president J. K. Rowling or Tom Clancy would have been.

His “alturistic” decision to go into politics instead of corporate law? Success against the Clintons? You’ve described the qualifications of a successful politician, not a president.

And spare me the tripe about how it isn’t your job to educate me on his Senate accomplishments. If there were any, you would be all too eager to share them. But you won’t, because you can’t.

By ron

October 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer @ 10:54

You just spent your entire post telling someone how succint you are when posting. And then you posted it.

Next time, try to be a little more succint and don’t post at all.

By mike hussein smith

October 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Shawny would have won nitwit du jour with his/her/its explanation for why he/she/it thinks McSame Old couldn’t have voted with Bush 90 percent of the time: That is the most ridiculous statement in the campaign to date. Bush, the executive, does not vote. But then Shawny topped himself by calling aid for the soldiers maimed by Bush/Cheney/McSame Old’s wars “‘do nothing’ bills, feel good bills.”

The Drudge Poll is, of course, mere horse droppings. Anybody with a phone can call up, and call up again, and call up again. But you wingnuts can cling to it as long as you need something to blind yourself to the truth.

By AmVet

October 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Shawny, point taken.

But based on the following, I’m pretty sure I’ve not yet done a “DEWEY WINS!”

Random and non-random polls for the vice presidential debate declare Biden the winner over Palin in the vice-presidential debate.

Non-random (unscientific) polls on AOL and MSNBC web sites show Biden winning 48 to 45 and 78.6 to 18.9 respectively.

Randomly selected subjects on three other polls also show Biden winning:

CNN/Opinion Research - Biden 51 Palin 36

CBS - Biden 46 Palin 21

Fox - Biden 61 Palin 39

Wowzers, that last one is a bit surprising, no?

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

By gadem October 3, 2008 10:35 AM So let me get this right…conservatives identify better with brain dead beauty queens than someone that actually has been successful in life…nice to know.

gadumb: Let me get this right, so you pinkkkos identify better with a 35 year member of the crony class that has been dutifully rubber stamping all of the failed policies that he now takes the luxury to whine about.

Pretty close?

By Taxpayer

October 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

Ron,

Here I go again explaining again to yet another person why being succinct with Republicans does not work. You must be Republican and don’t ask me to explain to you as succinctly as possible how I know. Now, quit drooling all over your keyboard. It’s so unbecoming.

By Skeptic Tank

October 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

Palin, the populist, speaking to “middle class America” as if it were her birthright, telling us that she and The Maverick have our best interests in mind…what a load of bullspritzer. Eight years of Bush, 14 years of a Republican Congress, America is in shambles, right wing radicals trying to blame Harry Truman and Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi for the mess we’re in…while promising us more of the McSame, albeit through the lips of a former beauty queen who seems more prone to be a newscaster than a newsmaker.

Let me say it one more time: I’ve heard callers to the Sean Hannity show who could articulate the talking points of the conservatives in America better than Mrs. Palin did last night. Not a knock on her likeability quotient, but truly damning in light of the office she is seeking. If you can’t see this, you’re probably one of the die-hard radicals still proudly displaying your “W” bumper sticker on your gas-sucking SUV.

By Truth

October 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Mike… you want truth? The truth is that Obama is a Black Power Socialist! Am I wrong?

By Felix

October 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Shawny

October 3, 2008 10:21 AM

The Democrats didn’t have a super majority, but they passed a fiscally responsible deficit reduction package in 1993 without a single Republican vote that raised taxes AND cut spending that laid the ground work for 8 prosperous years. Clinton also worked with the Republican Congress to reform welfare, which further reduced spending. The dot.com growth was helped by allowing dual use products to be sold to China and others, some would say to our detriment.

Bush cut taxes AND increased spending and is still going to leave in a recession. The one he “inherited” was due to the long, drawn-out recount in FL and the uncertainty that always comes with a new administration.

So I think it is a very valid example.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

So what you are saying Hillbilly is Biden was lying when he said Obama is dangerous or are you saying he was only saying it for political reasons.

Well if he was just lying then he is ajoke and we should not believe a word he says right.

Or he must have been doing it for political help, and in that case is a liar and we should not believe anythin he says.

By your standards we should disregard anything any politician says about anyone including all of the bad thing Biden said about McCain last night. The only reason Obama selected Biden was to sure up his experience problem, he could have done this with Hillary but his pride got the better of him. The only reason Biden accepted was because it will help his legacy. Because it was very clear, since he never tried last night to defend any of the negative comments he said about Obama, that he has little respect for his presidential candidate.

By norman ravitch

October 3, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Giuliani is about as believable as Tony Soprano. But he would have been a better candidate than Palin.

By RW-(the original)

October 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Another FOB, friend of Barry, just got raided by the FBI.

So let’s review: Obama’s sponsor and friend Tony Rezko is going to jail, the Governor of his state whom he supported is going to be indicted and his close confident — for whom Obama got millions in earmarks — is under FBI investigation. Do you think this should be front page news in every mainstream paper? Should we have a feeding frenzy on the stump today as the press demands answers?

I’m sure this is just another guy that Obambi met once, even though he plays poker with the guy. Nice list of earmarks too.

McCain better not hold back thinking the media will dig into this story. We have no media anymore, just a vast propaganda arm of the Democrat party disguised as a free press.

By Michael Sheehan

October 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

The debate showed conclusively that Joe Biden is MUCH more qualified to serve as president than Borat Obama. In fact, the only two people who should be running are McCain versus Biden - Obama has no business being at the top of the ticket and is a disaster-in-waiting for the economy, national security, and the country as a whole. If people elect this corrupt clown, they will get what they asked for - good and hard!

By Mijosh

October 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

The debate showed conclusively that Joe Biden is MUCH more qualified to serve as president than Borat Obama. In fact, the only two people who should be running are McCain versus Biden - Obama has no business being at the top of the ticket and is a disaster-in-waiting for the economy, national security, and the country as a whole. If people elect this corrupt clown, they will get what they asked for - good and hard!

By Craig

October 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

If Palin’s performance last night was a victory for women, I’m hard-pressed to see it, given that she came across as an affable airhead. Jim Lehrer said that she spoke for about 40 minutes during the debate. Out of that, I think I caught maybe five complete, quasi-coherent thoughts that she just repeated over and over, without any regard to whether she was answering the question she was asked or not. She spent whole minutes like a little kid lost at the mall, just reciting lines she’d memorized which had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I mean, for Christ’s sake, Palin couldn’t even name which branch of government the vice president belongs to! Knowing that you’d belong to the executive branch has got to be a minimal qualification for being vice president. God knows, we wouldn’t want her wandering cluelessly around Congress when she’s supposed to be doing work in the White House.

By jayj

October 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Palin proved only that she can repeat lies over and over again..Be AFRAID of this woman..be very, very afraid!

By Interesting

October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Have a good friend in Alaska who is in a real dilemma. She wants to vote for Palin because she knows she will do an honest job in Washington (that would be different for that city!), but she wants to vote again Palin so she will remain Govenor in Alaska. Apparently the folks in Alaska KNOW Palin enough to trust her.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin debate flow chart

By Taxpayer

October 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Good one Mrs. G. It was obvious that Sarah got lost on many occasions while trying to navigate her flow chart though. She should have brought either the thimble or the race car from the Monopoly game to use as a placeholder because I think her finger kept slipping out of place whenever she looked up.

By getalife

October 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Frank: “We realize George Bush has led us to the road of socialism and will have to monitor it closely.”

Amazing.

By Skeptic Tank

October 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

What I find absolutely AMAZING is the amount of credit that is being afforded Governor Palin this morning. The same media outlets - the AJC, CNN, et al. - that the right wingers malign as the “liberal” or “drive-by” media have had glowing praise of Palin’s woeful performance.

It’s remarkable that the Republicans claim that Mrs. Palin is being attacked by the media, when the opposite is true. Today, this woman should be torn to ribbons by the media. Instead, they’re fawning over her.

Yuck.

By mike hussein smith

October 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

So, Mijosh, you’re saying that Obama made a better executive decision than McSame Old in picking a vp nominee. Yep, makes sense to me.

By K_Chub

October 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

For all the Republicans all giddy with excitement over Palin’s performance last night - take a look the numbers in this survey.

Link:(http://www.mediacurves.com/)

Republicans thought Palin did great, Democrats thought Biden did great - no suprise there, but take a look at how Independents scored the debate. They overwhelmingly said Biden won the debate.

I think the only reason Republicans are so excited is because Palin didn’t come across as a bumbling idiot. That just goes to show how low the bar they have set for her really is. Apparently Independents think she needs to be more just a folksy empty suit to be qualified for VPOTUS and she actually has to demonstrate she understands the issues.

This debate won’t seal the deal for Obama, but it won’t save McCain’s fledgeling campaign.

By BenjaminFranklin

October 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Senator Biden joined the Senate when Palin was 8 years old. He has a Doctorate in Law (a JD), as does Obama. Palin has a BA in journalism. McCain has a BA and finished in the bottom 1% of his class.

Who do you expect to be more qualified? We must not forget that McCain is 72 years old, and there is a reasonable chance that his Vice President will become the leader of the free world. This is a very important decision.

We do not need a President who is ‘like us.’ We need a President who is smarter, more knowledgeable, more even tempered, and better than we are in every way. Consider the complex perils which lie all around us-a failing Wall Street, an aggressive Putin, an aggressive Iran, chaos in Pakistan, North Korea is restarting their plutomium apparatus, Al Qaeda is plotting-think hard, my friends.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

MarkSteyn: Well, if you’re saying will the media start to cover just the things we know about, for example, the fact his close relationship with an unrepentant terrorist whom he tried to pass off as just a fellow who lives in the neighborhood, and boy, they’d run into each other at the convenience store every now and then, in fact, Obama and Ayers have a much more intimate relationship than that. The media aren’t interested. They’re all up in Wasilla crawling around the public library records. If they applied a tenth of the scrutiny to Obama’s associations that they’ve applied to Sarah Palin’s, this would be a very different race. But simply put, the media are smearing a kind of huge gobbet of Doris Day Vaseline over the lens to make him look all fuzzy and lovable, and it’s a question of trying to get past that media Vaseline to see the real Obama.

Word.

And you can see it in all the fake polling.

Credibility has been tossed to the……………….winos.

By RW-(the original)

October 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

Craig,

Whip out your copy of the Constitution and tell us the only duty that’s specified for the Vice President in there, please.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

She was warm, fresh, funny, confident, energetic, personable, relentless, and on message. She roasted Obama’s flip-flops on the surge and tea-with-dictators declarations, dinged Biden’s bash-Bush rhetoric, challenged the blame-America defeatism of the Left, and exuded the sunny optimism that energized the base in the first place

That pretty well sums it up.

By tcoach

October 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Ben F.

Obama is not better than me in any way, I do not hang out with nor do I take advise or bribes from convicted felons

You also stated the leader of the FREE WORLD.

If Obama gets elected with government forced insurance, income de-distribution and the makings of a socialist eonomy the VP does not have to worry about being the leader of a free world. With Obama our freedoms will be taken and decisions will be made by those politicians everyone seem so happy with.

By Dusty

October 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

“Benjamin Franklin”@1146

Amazing how much store you set on education and not intelligence. You do remember that you, Ben Franklin, finished your schooling when you were ten years old, then rose on your own.

But as to education, you forget that Annapolis is a very difficult place to obtain enrollment. Students from the entire country try to enter Annapolis with its great education in leadership, military expertise, high educational standards and all expenses paid. To graduate there is an honor by all who can manage the difficult agenda. McCain did it and has served this country ever since.

Obama has served his country at the Harvard Review where he never wrote a single piece? as a community advisor? a state senator? a junior USA senator for several years not even chairing a committee??

Please, do not tell me that Obama is better equiped to lead the entire USA. He is intelligent. His greater qualifications are limited to Harvard. His main leadership has been to promote Barack Obama with a super self engendered image. The real picture is less endearing.

McCain is the proven leader. Obama is the wannabe.

By AJC/DNC Management

October 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Like I was saying:

What struck me the most about the debate – and it probably helped having quintessential Obamaphiles in the room – was how Biden’s “gravitas” is derived almost entirely from the fact that he can lie with absolute passion and conviction. He just plain made stuff up tonight.

Just a few: Flatly asserting that Obama never said he’d meet with Achmenijad; that absolute nonsense about spending more in a month in Iraq than we’ve spent in Afghanistan (“let me say it again,” he said as if he was hammering home a real fact); the bit about McCain voting with Obama on raising taxes; his vote in favor of the war etc.-Goldberg, National Review

By bush go away

October 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Sure she was “on message” RW-(the original) if you define “on message” as constantly ignoring the questions so that I can spout something my handlers told me to memorize for the quiz.

Sorry RW but the world at large does not stay “on message” with RNC talking points, and will *not bow down to a wink and a cliche` and a “Hey, ain’t I pretty good at this for only being at it for five weeks?”

By Felix

October 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Dusty

October 3, 2008 12:15 PM

Didn’t McCain get a legacy appointment to Annapolis? You might want to read this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/makebelievemavericktherealjohnmccain

By Midori

October 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Felix,

this is the correct link for that article

I read it yesterday.

No wonder McCain and Lieberman get along so well: they are cut from the same selfish, “me first” cloth.

By Tom

October 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Some talking head said “Palin is warm.” Warm??? I’d rather screw a snowman!!

By Cal

October 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

I heard a previous CBS commentator today talk about the debate last night. He said the Palin had won the debate and anyone that didn’t see that was because of their hatred of Palin. He went on to say that there are people that hate her so much that the mention of her name causes them to feel like vomiting or jumping out a window. He went on to say that this is a mental illness. Now I understand what is wrong with these people.

By Midori

October 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

and I suppose you were that commentator, huh Cal?

By bush go away

October 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

McCain as “maverick” is about as believeable as Tom Cruise as Maverick in Top Gun.

Sorry but we’ve already had Maverick McCain “fly into the danger zone” once. Don’t need him doing it again, this time with his finger on the red button, while Palin is in the background singing “Onward Christian Soldiers” and praying for Armageddon to begin.

By bush go away

October 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

McCain as “maverick” is about as believeable as Tom Cruise as Maverick in Top Gun.

Sorry but we’ve already had Maverick McCain “fly into the danger zone” once. Don’t need him doing it again, this time with his finger on the red button, while Palin is in the background singing “Onward Christian Soldiers” and praying for Armageddon to begin.

By Kia

October 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Biden wiped the floor with Palin, but of course the RepubliKKKan’s will say otherwise. They’re that delusional of course.

Palin came off as bitter, rude, and arrogant. She does not debate the issues like Hillary does. Instead, she playscutesy, winks an eye, bats andeyelash and dodges questions with flirtatious gestures.

The bar was set so low for this trailer-trash spokesmodel, that as long as she didn’t pass out, her performace was deemed brilliant.

If folks wanna just judge the debate off of personality, I still think she came off short. Biden won with knowledge, respect, restraint and dignity.

I feel confortable with Obama and Biden in the White House…and scared as hell with Palin and McSAME.

By Felix

October 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Midori

October 3, 2008 12:38 PM

Thanks!

By whynot

October 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

When will Sarah Palin release her Tax Returns

By whynot

October 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

When will Sarah Palin release her Tax Returns

By cathy

October 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

I watched the debate last night. So did my husband. Both of us were dumbfounded by Palin’s performance.

You can call Sara folksy all you want, but this debate was like a job interview and I certainly was turned off with the, wink, and the “you betcha’s.”

Sara may have graduated from college but I am starting to believe she graduated from the bottom half of her class. She starting to make me think this is what Paris Hilton will be like in about 20 years accept instead of earning a college degree, she will bring back, “that’s hot.”

By Steve

October 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

I agree with the person who left a comment asking you how YOU look at yourself in the mirror. Giuliani was rating her performance on all levels, including content, delivery, transforming her image, exciting spectators, and making valid points that will stick out in voter’s minds. Looking at her performance in that regard, it was electric and will be studied by politicians who are trying to connect with the average American voters for years to come. Even when only looking at all the negative things about her performance an unbiased viewer would have to concede she was good. Only someone viewing the debate with hatred and bias would write “I’ve seen better debate performances from a street wino.” Their are things to criticize about her performance and of Joe Biden’s too. But you feel it necessary to give your opinion through your own biased filter. If journalists, like you, could just take off their partisan blinders and report things with nuance and truth, perhaps people outside of their party could believe that the mainstream media has integrity and take some of their points to heart. I love it when you guys seize on something to diminish a candidate’s performance adn then repeat it and repeat it from show to show, publication to publication. When Paliin is rightfully criticized for a bad performance like the one she gave with Katie Couric every democrat was eager to declare that is an idiot. When she gives a terrific performance, like she did at the debate she is “rehearsed.” “Rehearsed” is soemthing that’s being thrown around a lot today as a way of diminishing her. As if Obama and Biden and Maccain don’t rehearse! No, no. All politicians get up on the debate platform and wing it. They don’t have speech writers and a team of people feeding them talking points, correcting their mistakes, and making them come across in the best possible light. NO, no. Only Sarah Palin. Give me a break! Rise above your own mediocrity and write something believable

By Steve

October 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

I agree with the person who left a comment asking you how YOU look at yourself in the mirror. Guiliani was rating her performance on all levels, including content, delivery, transforming her image, exciting spectators, and making valid points that will stick out in voter’s minds. Looking at her performance in that regard was electric and will be studied by politicians who are trying to connect with the average American voters for years to come. Only someone viewing the debate with hatred and bias would write “I’ve seen better debate performances from a street wino.” Their are things to criticize about her performance and of Joe Biden’s too. But you feel it necessary to give your opinion through your own biased filter. If journalists, like you, could just take off their partisan blinders and report things with nuance and truth perhaps people outside of their party could believe that the mainstream media has integrity and take some of their points to heart. I love it when you guys get seize on something to diminish a candidate’s performance. When Paliin is rightfully criticized for a bad performance like the one she gave with Katie Couric she is an idiot. When she gives a terrific performance, like she did at the debate she is “rehearsed.” As if Obama and Biden and Maccain don’t rehearse! No, no. All politicians get up on the debate platform and wing it. They don’t have speech writers and a team of people feeding them talking points, correcting their mistakes, and making them come across in the best possible light. NO, no. Only Sarah Palin. Give me a break! Rise above your own mediocrity and write something believable By the way, when you do look in the mirror, I’m sure, through your bias and hatred, you see a handsome guy with a nice smile.

By Roxie

October 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Does Sarah have My vote now? You Betcha!

Biden is doing nothing more than trying to reinvent himself into someone that agrees w/ BO. Too many lies. Wait…wasn’t it Biden himself that said BO isn’t ready or qualified to be President….that the Presidency is no place for on the job training……talk about About faces…

By glm11

October 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is the sorriest excuse for a vice presidential candidate that i have ever seen. She looked like she was a contestant in one of her beauty pageants.

I would have loved to see her play the flute last night…and who the hell is Joe 6 pack?

When I think of “Joe six pack” I think of a white alcoholic male redneck who probably didn’t even watch the debate last night.

By glm11

October 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is the sorriest excuse for a vice presidential candidate that i have ever seen. She looked like she was a contestant in one of her beauty pageants.

I would have loved to see her play the flute last night…and who the hell is Joe 6 pack?

When I think of “Joe six pack” I think of a white alcoholic male redneck who probably didn’t even watch the debate last night.

By E

October 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Giuliani must have never seen a debate, or he’s a liar, probably the latter.

That was not a debate! Palin would not answer the questions. Besides talking about energy & repeatedly calling McCain a maverick, she didn’t say anything.

Senator Biden was great, as always.

By Skeptic Tank

October 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Joe Biden: His comments were on-point, mostly factual, and rich with context and experience. His demeanor was deferential to his opponent, candid and passionate. On the issues, and excluding partisan spin, he was far more articulate than his opponent.

Sarah Palin: Eminently likeable. Her comments seemed contrived, rehearsed and superficial. Amazingly few facts were introduced in her 40 minutes of speaking. A lot of posturing, posing and smiling. Her “attacks” on the Democrats were as soft as her skin.

Sorry, folks. Mrs. Palin got her bell rung. Perhaps you believe that the policy and principles that she espouses are more reflective of your own, but that doesn’t mean she won the debate. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

By the OG

October 3, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

By BS Aplenty October 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this Top Ten Things to Expect during an Obama

BS Aplenty, you missed your calling in comedy writing for people who like wring that is not funny. you should probably keep your day job - that is assuming your day job is a racist douchebag. but then again maybe you are overqualified.

By Jack

October 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Hypothetical Debate:

Moderator: Gov Palin can you please tell us about you plan on wall street bailout.

Palin: (shuffling her flash cards vigorously) I would love to but being a Maverick and BTW so is John MCcain, I want to talk about energy policy instead;

Moderator: But I wanted to talk about the Wall street bailout!!

Palin: Geez.. I would love to but I will get to it when I find that flash card… You know that the soccer moms and my husband Todd had to drive miles on the highway to nowhere to get to the soccer fields and We had to use so much gas that I thought that it would be nice to build a pipeline to nowhere. So when I was the Mayor..Oops ..I mean as the executive of my state I sold this idea to Exxon and others and got the lobbyists to get in touch with Washington. If this pipeline had been approved I would have really been well versed with Foreign policy… Heck this pipeline would have gone through a foreign country…Yaa Know… Canada…

By Michael A

October 3, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

The expectations for Gov.Palin were appallingly low. I thought the debate was a disaster for her as she refused to address valid critiques that Sen. Biden articulated about Sen. McCain’s positions. Instead, she’d want to go back and address some other argument completely unrelated to the question at hand.

It was glaringly apparent that she was prepped within an inch of her life to stay on her talking points and articulate those points in that folksy, woman of the people style the McCain campaign figured could win them votes.

It is an incredily cynical and pathetically obvious approach that, while at first effective, cannot a winning presidential ticket make.

By lovelyliz

October 3, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin scored points on style, Joe Biden on substance.

I am sooooooooooooo over politicians who are all style and very little substance.

By Jimbo Christ's stand in shill named Steve

October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Steve at 1:14 wants to talk about Palin’s “electric” performance? I know the shills want to paint her as the answer to the energy crisis but really.

I would go on, but “Steve” needs to get to a hospital, STAT. Apparently Palin has given him a “serious medical condition” lasting 4 or more hours that needs immediate attention. Hope he has insurance.

By Janis T.

October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Excuse me, but Palin is an idiot. The real kind.

Nuff said.

By GreenJeans

October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Biden showed a command of facts, intelligence and insight that has been sorely lacking in even the presidential debate. Nice substance and respect to both Palin and Gwen.

Palin also did exactly what she was sent to do: sell a folksy image of herself. Remember, Republicans are skilled at selling imagery and slogans.

But it hit me like a ton of bricks last night WHY she was brokered onto the ticket. Once she started winking at the camera and talking about “drill, baby, drill” and “our gas” and “our clean, green coal” it was clear that she was to be the gateway for the oil and energy interests.

By kazoogirl71

October 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Biden nailed this public event. I was initially somewhat impressed that Palin’s words lacked some of that halting, mixed up nonsense she spouts off the cuff. After watching the debate 3 times now, it becomes frightening to see what a terrible mistake McCain has made, but how hard they have worked to package their product. Had McCain not negotiated that this “not” be a back and forth exchange (thereby keeping it from being an interactive, revealing face-to-face debate), Palin would have been utterly annihilated. She was like a little kid spouting verse by rote that the teacher taught her. She was prefabricated, but they forgot to rehearse her on every reaction the event might call for—A very telling moment was when Biden choked up when speaking of his wife’s accident and his boys. Folks, that was real! But she stood there, plastic, with her pasted on “smile”—“she had not been rehearsed to reach across the aisle and acknowledge a real-life moment—it was creepy and wierd and I will never forget it. This was no debate on her part, but “Biden managed to have realtime responses with solid information and rebuttal” Palin’s coaching had her “endlessly” commenting on Biden’s partisan observations, while “flooding this debate with rehearsed and many many “inaccurate” partisan observations herself.” Biden had winning comebacks and apt rebuttal. He went after McCain/Bush effectively, and I fully appreciated his comments on Cheney. Loved his neat dissection of that ridiculous Maverick label. Palin’s desperate supporters will see this as a win, but it’s only because they were saved from wincing.

By GodHatesTrash

October 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this

Another one of L-o-l-a’s lies - “hockey mom”.

No, you skank, you’re a “hockey grandma”. Your grandbaby’s daddy is an “effin redneck” high school hockey player.

Is L-o-l-a Palin proud? You betcha.

By Pat

October 3, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

Sweet Jesus, deliver us from wing-nut ideologue-spewing morons. Note to Palin: Your worldview fits on a bumper sticker. It’s moose manure, and you’re intellectually lazy and willfully ignorant, despite your cute winks, specs and hairdo. “Government’s not the solution, it’s the problem.” What a deep philosophy. Really? Tell it to corpses of folks drowned in attics in New Orleans, or the retirees who just got their buts handed to them by the GOP orgy on Wall Street. Just like Marxists who mandated collective farming in the face of a starving populace, the Repubs, a dazed choir of zombie parrots, can only squawk one refrain: Deregulate … cut taxes. Deregulate … cut taxes….Country’s revenue-starved, our kids, grandkids and great-grandkids doomed to crushing debt? Deregulate… cut taxes… poisoned drugs, tainted food, dangerous toys? Deregulate…cut taxes. An unregulated banking industry crashes the economy? Deregulate even more … cut taxes. Oil industry run amock with greed, derailing alternate energy funding, while trampling clean air and water? Deregulate, cut their taxes. The fear, hate and contempt these ‘tards have for whom they not-so-secretly label an uppity Negro reveals their character. If there’s a hell - and I believe there is - first in line will be those who stomp poor, working class and struggling middle class people and anyone who tries to help them - for the sole purpose of enriching themselves. Typical “wealth redistribution” claptrap from a lefty “socialist”, right? Well, um, No. It’s God’s promise, repeatedly stated in the book of Proverbs. But “God’s Own Party” has no fear of God. They don’t worship Him, they just use his name for cynical access to the faithful. Their only God is profit and wealth. We desperately need a Socialist party in the U.S. Heck no, I won’t VOTE for them - they’re needed so these idjits get a whiff of what “socialism” actually is. Try new clueflakes: moderate Democrats aren’t socialists. Those who don’t know history are doomed to … vote Republican.Here’s a question: If GOP policies are so superior, why the need to lie? Why smear your opponents with whisper campaigns, half-truths and outright Whoppers? Even Karl Rove, the definition of human scum, finally got embarrassed by the over-the-top, unbelievable lies McCain’s been selling. Why make it harder for people to vote, even though every other democracy on earth tries to make it easier? Oh, right, the “fraud,” that’s it. That’s the ticket. No conscience and imperviousness to human suffering - these are the hallmarks of Republican thinking. A million fall into poverty, and Barbie Cindy “let them eat cake” McCain prances the stage in a dress well over a quarter of a million dollars. Where the H is Robspierre when you need him? Fire up the guillotine, it’s time for a purge.

By Aoki

October 3, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Sarah did a fine job. She connected with me well. I am not sure which debate you watched…

By Rocco Pedestrian

October 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

I’m afraid it goes deeper than an honest policy of trickle-down deregulation and business-level tax incentives. Newt Gingrich and the AEI and the Heritage Foundation and all these neo-cons lack an essential character trait - call it modesty, humility, gratitude; they believe that they do not have to succeed on the merits because god hath anointed them royal, chosen people. They believe in the plantation mentality, divine right monarchy, whatever - I’ve heard it expressed, by a rich friend, that if all of the money in the world were equally divided, within a year the same people would end up rich and poor - In other words, if you’re not a country club republican, it is god’s will. Not that they’re honestly religious. They believe they were born better than you and me and they make me sick. And then you get the poor losers who comment on this site who are wanna-be neo-cons and frat boys. How pathetic. Guys, they sure don’t consider you one of them. You’re not living off a trust fund gambling with other people’s money with no personal risk involved, You’re parroting their b****** economics, giving up your birthright and getting jack s** in return. You’re one of the real people working a real job who has been stripped of all dignity by these poseurs for the past 28 years. You need to be in a union, you need to be voting democratic, and you need to be in the streets demanding equality. They are designing the world to screw you over. It’s time to get up and band together so that we have more power than those who are ruining the world’s most enduring experiment in brotherhood and equal opportunity.

By sarahforprez

October 3, 2008 7:35 PM | Link to this

OMG! Puleeze not only was Sarah the winner…BTW fox’s numbers were Palin 61% Biden 39%… I want her to run for President. She obviously charmed Mr Biden, Bill Clinton, the president of Pakistan as well all the other male leaders she has met. If you can’t see what an asset she would be you have blinders on. Sexist …maybe, but maybe that’s what we need. A woman running things. She is all that and a bag of chips. Yeah shes’ articulate, you betcha, darn if she’s not smart, a quick learner, and is the only candidate running who is actually doing something about energy independence. which is The * most important issue of this campaign. Without energy independence we might as well let Chavez move into the white house. * she is the ONLY candidate running so far that has talked the talk and walked the walk Energy independence brings, jobs, generates spending and disconnects our reliance on the Middle East and those communist countries. She worked for the people of Alaska, she would work for the people of America. She has done what she said she would. The rest are all talk, and YOU can’t take that away from her.
Sarah for President!! The rest are just politicians.

By whatacrock

October 4, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

Look friends, Palin is the 2008 version of Bush. McCain is Old Grumpy Bush. They get more wrong than right and if you enjoy wrong equaling american blood and bancruptcy, vote McPalin. Bush bankrupted several companies and the entire country right now before he leaves. Palin sounds exactly like Bush, an outsider who can reach across the aisles and wow has he done that for 8 years.

We have seen this show before and some of you people do not see this for what it is; A LIE - A CROCK O’ CRAP FROM MCPALIN!!!! Listen to her talk - she sounds like bush in 2000. Wake up, people wake up! And WHATACROCK!

By carl chen

October 4, 2008 2:29 AM | Link to this

Palin did not debate Biden last night. Palin made a scripted speech, like what she did at the Republican National Convention. She cared less about what the question was asked of her. She simply changed the subject and answered with a stump speech of campain talking points. She admitted it herself. She was not there to debate or answer questions. She was there to speak to American people.

By David

October 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

Jay, every idiot grasps Biden has the better understanding of the issues. Palin has been on the scene for mere weeks and still demonstrated she was the more masterful, more intuitive and brighter competitor on the stage. Palin with 35 years in the Senate would have sunk Joe Blow’s career. With Biden’s at least 6 egregious lies on legislation reference, it ain’t brain surgery to sound knowledgable when the general public isn’t privy to esoteric congressional specifics. Nonsense here. This is no indication of a capacity to lead. If you score the debate on IQ Palin wins 145 to 110. Keep ridin’ your high horse, pal. The psuedo-urbane, psuedo-erudite, psuedo-intellectual rants ain’t going to mask the puddle-deep demagoguery. Don’t give up your day job.

By John

October 4, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Jay, I’m stunned you’re given a forum to pontificate. Your quip and the follow-up commentary is ludicrous. Who are you? You’re one of thousands of simpleton critics. Why do you bother? You’re a nit wit who fought for a web slot. I’m only on here to check polls and found your rudimentary commentary laughable. You’re a moron critic on the sideline bolstering your absent intellect by slamming a woman with only weeks on the mainstage. She’s got nerves of steel, instinct and brains that tops the other 3 dummies on the ticket.

By bill

October 5, 2008 3:22 AM | Link to this

rocco, you embody the worst, most dangerous left of siberia wealth redistrubution ideology. many love this country for giving them a chance to make their financial bones by working hard and acheiving excellence in what they do. So they should give up their earnings to those who can’t cut it and b/c the math makes looks good?? move to Cuba, Castro agrees with you, jackoff.

By bill

October 5, 2008 3:22 AM | Link to this

rocco, you embody the worst, most dangerous left of siberia wealth redistrubution ideology. many love this country for giving them a chance to make their financial bones by working hard and acheiving excellence in what they do. So they should give up their earnings to those who can’t cut it and b/c the math makes looks good?? move to Cuba, Castro agrees with you, jackoff.

By melissa

October 5, 2008 3:25 AM | Link to this

rocco, you embody the worst, most dangerous left of siberia wealth redistrubution ideology. many love this country for giving them a chance to make their financial bones by working hard and acheiving excellence in what they do. So they should give up their earnings to those who can’t cut it and b/c the math makes looks good?? move to Cuba, Castro agrees with you, jackoff.

By melissa

October 5, 2008 3:27 AM | Link to this

rocco, you embody the worst, most dangerous left of siberia wealth redistrubution ideology. many love this country for giving them a chance to make their financial bones by working hard and acheiving excellence in what they do. So they should give up their earnings to those who can’t cut it and b/c the math makes looks good?? move to Cuba, Castro agrees with you, jackoff.

By melissa

October 5, 2008 3:29 AM | Link to this

rocco, you embody the worst, most dangerous left of siberia wealth redistrubution ideology. many love this country for giving them a chance to make their financial bones by working hard and acheiving excellence in what they do. So they should give up their earnings to those who can’t cut it and b/c the math makes looks good?? move to Cuba, Castro agrees with you, jackoff.