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DEL.ICIO.USUS attorney scandal rivals Watergate (and yes, Karl Rove is in the middle of it)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
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In any other administration, at almost any other time in U.S. history, the report released this week by the Justice Department’s inspector general would constitute a major Page One scandal.
The abuse of power, the ethical nonchalance and the possible criminal behavior by top officials documented within the Bush Justice Department rivals that of the Nixon administration.
The investigation focused on the removal of nine U.S. attorneys in 2006, a step that the administration and its defenders at the time tried to dismiss as routine. This report proves it was anything but. To the contrary, the inspector general has recommended a special prosecutor to investigate criminal charges of wire fraud, obstruction of justice and perjury, among others. Based on the narrative in the report, possible targets include former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and perhaps even former White House aide Karl Rove.
Consider just one of the nine cases, that of David Iglesias, who was removed as U.S. attorney for New Mexico. The Bush administration tried to explain his ouster on grounds that Iglesias was a poor manager, a claim that the inspector general says was utterly groundless. The report says such claims “were disingenuous after-the-fact rationalizations that had nothing to do with the real reason for Iglesias’ removal.”
So what was the real reason? New Mexico Republicans had complained to Rove and others at the White House, including possibly President Bush, that Iglesias had not been aggressive enough in pressing alleged voter fraud and corruption cases against Democrats in the state.
“Based on these complaints alone,” the report said, Iglesias was fired.
In clear and convincing detail, it documents a case that New Mexico Republicans and their allies in the White House tried to use the awesome powers of the U.S. attorney’s office to persecute their political enemies and influence the outcome of elections.
“We believe Departmental leaders abdicated their responsibility to ensure that prosecutorial decisions would be based on the law, the evidence and Departmental policy, not political pressure,” the report concludes.
In addition, the report also lays out a pattern of stonewalling by top administration officials, made possible because the inspector general does not have the subpoena powers that a special prosecutor can employ.
“It is important to note that our investigation … was hampered, and is not complete, because key witnesses declined to cooperate with our investigation,” the report states. “In particular, former White House officials Harriet Miers and Karl Rove … refused our requests for an interview.” The White House also refused to release important documents requested by investigators.
Attorney General Mike Mukasey, who was brought in to clean up the Justice Department, has now appointed a special prosecutor as requested in the report.
“It is true, as the report acknowledges, that an administration is entitled to remove presidential appointees, including U.S. attorneys, for virtually any reason or no reason at all,” Mukasey said. “But the leaders of the department owed it to those who served the country in those capacities to treat their careers and reputations with appropriate care and dignity. And the leaders of the department owed it to the American people they served to conduct the public’s business in a deliberate and professional manner. The department failed on both scores.”
History’s verdict — and the verdicts of the criminal justice system — may be considerably harsher.
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Comments
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this
Bush can fire Attorney Generals for picking their nose.
Next fever swamp moonbat delusion, please.
Something with some legs, perhaps?
By GodHatesTrash
October 1, 2008 6:53 AM | Link to this
Georgians and red staters in general have always loved criminals in their government, and enjoy voting for them.
They are voting for a 3rd term of this sleaze, criminality, nonsense, stupidity, incompetence, and arrogance.
By Mike
October 1, 2008 7:09 AM | Link to this
SCANDAL!!! SCANDAL!!! SCANDAL!!!!
Who really cares what Bookman says? He is a partisan hack who has no objective other than trying to get his candidates elected and generating “clicks” so he can keep his job for one more week.
Maybe if Bookman ever had a single criticism of Democrats, his arguments might carry the weight. Until that time, he is just the liberal Hannity, bleating out party talking points.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this
Trash: it’s because they keep being told that everyone who isn’t a Republican is evil and a part of Satan’s plan.
It really simplifies their voting choices.
By Cherokee
October 1, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this
Mike do you ever actually, you know, read Jay’s columns? He condemns Dems all the time. Right now, the Republicans are much more corrupt than the Dems, but if that changes, so will the thrust of his columns.
By Mike
October 1, 2008 7:27 AM | Link to this
“By ByteMe October 1, 2008 7:14 AM | Link to this Trash: it’s because they keep being told that everyone who isn’t a Republican is evil and a part of Satan’s plan.”
Yeah, unlike “tolerant” liberals like you and Trash who don’t waste your lives demonizing Republicans all day. Did you read the comments you are responding to? Your hypocrisy is laughable.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this
Let me simplify today’s partisan blog responses:
“I don’t care what my team did!”
“Your team is worse!”
“Bookman is a pinko!”
“Bush can do anything he wants!”
“Bush can’t do anything he wants!”
Did I miss any?
By GOPs got to go
October 1, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this
I have been reading and listening to the facts of this shameful display of Partisans thinking the law does not include THEM for years now. I think they actually believe GOD put them in their positions. Thankfully an honorable man is leading this investigation. I do look forward to Kreepy Karl being on the witness stand, finally.
I also look forward to having honorable men in the White House, Barrack Hussain Obama and Joseph Biden.
By Felix
October 1, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this
Duh, it was Mr. Duhbya’s own administration that is appointing a special prosecutor. Jay B. is just editorializing on it, which, ulike us, he is paid to do. If they had been fired for picking their nose, there would be no offense. It’s the party in office that gets lampooned.
By hillbilly ragger
October 1, 2008 7:37 AM | Link to this
ByteMe @ 7.28 I think you meant to write “Bush CAN do anything he wants!”.
And let’s not forget the inevitable, hilarious manifestations of “pleasuring the President”.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
I don’t need to demonize Republicans, Mike. They do it to themselves. Evil is as evil does.
And the Bush Administration and their many enablers are clearly evil. Many of them are just stupid and gullible and really can’t be blamed for being part of the evil, but others know exactly what they are doing and revel in being part of the “team” that’s evil.
So which is it, Mike? Stupid and gullible or a strong supporter of evil?
Heh. Off to get the kids up. I’m sure someone else will talk to you until then.
By Tell It Like It Is
October 1, 2008 7:42 AM | Link to this
Karl Rove is a master at spinning politics…. both good and bad. He has a database that is astounding. Watch him on the conservative Network(Fox News). He gets paid handsomely for sharing his data. I wonder what he and Newt have cooked uo for 2012 since it looks like the war lord(McCain) and the Alaskan foreign policy and energy expert(Palin) are going down the tube.
By Ray
October 1, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this
Jay,
Why not pick something a little more contemporary, maybe Valarie Plame or something like that. This news is years old and with all of the smoke that the libs are trying to blow up the public’s a**, nothing will ever come of an investigation so close to the end of Bush’s term. You can demonize Rove all you want but if Clinton would have had a Rove on her team, she would probably face certain victory in November. Rove is the anti-Christ to most libs but he wins elections like no other. And aint that what it’s all about, Jay, winning elections? You might rant and rave about him but he is very good at what he does. And for that matter, so was Ted Bundy.
By Copyleft
October 1, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this
Conservatives are basically hypocrites. They know it, and it doesn’t bother them.
They cry for “law and order” up until the exact moment one of their own is caught breaking the law. Then, suddenly, it’s no big deal.
They cry “family values” until the exact moment one of their own is harassing underage pages or soliciting bathroom BJs. Then, suddenly, it’s no big deal.
Conservatives are immune to logic and facts; it’s what makes them reliably conservative, no matter how badly their own party treats them, year after year. Education can help with simple ignorance; conservatives, however, are just plain stupid.
By spankmonkey
October 1, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this
How bout stupid, gullible AND a strong supporter of evil? They all 3 fit nicely. A trifecta of bedrock conservative principles, and Mike has them all… “The force is strong with this one”
By bjb
October 1, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this
“It is true, as the report acknowledges, that an administration is entitled to remove presidential appointees, including U.S. attorneys, for virtually any reason or no reason at all,” Mukasey said.
entitled…
By Dennis
October 1, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this
Is the rumor true? Is Jay vision-impared in this left eye?
It must be so, since Jay cannot see any thing wrong on the left side of politics.
And bloggers don’t ask for examples. If you are so unread or oblivious that you don’t already know dozens of examples, then you have no grounds to demand examples of Jay’s or you own blindness.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Of course it’s worse than Watergate! (John Dean’s book was a great read BTW)
Fortunately, the times they are a’changing.
Barack Obama told House Democrats on Tuesday that as president he would order his attorney general to scour White House executive orders and expunge any that “trample on liberty,” several lawmakers said. Presidents, as head of the executive branch of government, issue such orders to direct operations of executive branch agencies, like the Justice Department and the CIA. For example, President Bush used an executive order last year to breathe new life into the CIA’s controversial terror interrogation program that allowed harsh questioning of suspects. Obama “talked about how his attorney general is to review every executive order and immediately eliminate those that trample on liberty,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.
By hillbilly ragger
October 1, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
Ray @ 7.43, given that there’s an election just 30-some days away, and given that conservatives have a long history of pretending that “voter fraud” results in massive numbers of phony votes being cast, this story couldn’t be more current.
Oh, and your assertion that “Rove (…) wins elections like no other” is pretty laughable. Rove was one state away from losing Bush’s re-election when the country was at war. Bush should’ve creamed the Democrat, instead he wound up claiming “political capital” when he had none and got beaten up when he tried to sell a particularly obnoxious Social Security privatization plan the following January. Rove was humiliated in 2006, when he claimed he had “the math” that others didn’t.
In short, Rove is a big, fat, over-rated hack who imagines there are more ignorant white-trash fundies than there really are, and I think that at best he’ll be a Newt-like presence in 2012—somebody that continues to be taken seriously, even though he hasn’t really done jack to justify it.
By Mark
October 1, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Didn’t Clinton do the same thing? Where is the controversy there?
By @@
October 1, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
Peering down through Hubbell, I see 93 Clinton, 8 Bush.
Yesterday’s news.
Today’s wasted tax dollars.
By BJB
October 1, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
“Oh, and your assertion that “Rove (…) wins elections like no other” is pretty laughable. Rove was one state away from losing Bush’s re-election when the country was at war.”
Last time I looked the goal in a contest is to win.
By Goldie
October 1, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
John McBush will be a continuation of Bush\Rover politics — just look who he’s got on board as his campaign advisors.
MMA — Maverick My @ss!
By Ray
October 1, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Ragger,
Yeah, but who won? Not Gore. Not Kerry. A lot of elections are decided by a slim margin. 2000…. just FL by a small margin, with Gore losing his home state of TN… 2004…. by one state, or only 14 electoral votes. And who makes the difference in these close ones? A political genius who can deliver. Call him what you want, but he wins elections and does it with some regularity. American politics is, unfortunately, tuned to the half truth. Mrs. G says that the Annointed One will “purge” all of the records of the evil Bush and make us clean again. Yeah, right. All of those strings attached to all of the campaign contributions make any election suspect. And McCain caused the Forrestal accident and Palin banned books from some library. Spin, Ragger, nothing more. This blog is full of half truths, silly notions and false hope that keeps us coming back to throw stones at each other to allow Jay to keep his job. And American politics will not change, no matter who is in the White House.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
By Felix October 1, 2008 7:32 AM Duh, it was Mr. Duhbya’s own administration that is appointing a special prosecutor. Jay B. is just editorializing on it, which, ulike us, he is paid to do. If they had been fired for picking their nose, there would be no offense. It’s the party in office that gets lampooned.
Felix: It was democrats who raised the issue and forced Bush to appoint the special prosecutor.
It was democrats that said absolutely nothing when Clinton fired every single solitary attorney general when he took office in 1993.
Do you really think our government needs to be chasing it’s tail over something as minor as this, something that is well within the constitutional rights of the executive to do with out being questioned about it?
Wouldn’t it have been better if our government had been working for We The People instead of democrat party kangaroo courts and witch hunts, you know, like spending their time making sure Fanniemac doesn’t exceed it’s federal mandate in such a gross and overwhelming manner that it nearly brings down the entire economy of the United States of America?
Some people^^ don’t.
By BDAtlanta
October 1, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
Another embarrassing moment in American history. Bush now has many of those those moments to hang his hat on.
The Bush administration makes the Nixon administration look like a bunch of choir boys.
But ask any Republican- “Mr/Ms Republican, WTF?” and all they can talk about are the Democrats in Congress the past 1.5 years out of the last 7.5.
None of them will claim responsibility for anything this incompetent fool has done. And most of them voted for him twice.
What really irks me are all the people who had kids of military age who voted for him the second time while their kids were in college. It never crossed their minds that maybe they should put their kids where their vote was and send their children to fight for what they voted for.
Republicans leaders are smart because their voters - not just their base - are ignorant.
By Mike
October 1, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
“By ByteMe October 1, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this Let me simplify today’s partisan blog responses:
“I don’t care what my team did!”
“Your team is worse!”
“Bookman is a pinko!”
“Bush can do anything he wants!”
“Bush can’t do anything he wants!””
LOL. You think you are any different? You are as big a partisan as any on this board, you just happen to be a liberal partisan. Your viewpoint is just as twisted and dishonest, you just root for another side.
Your lack of self-awareness is very amusing.
By BDAtlanta
October 1, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Ray, AJC/DNC Mgmt, RW,
The last sentence in my last post…..yeah, you guys fit the mold beautifully.
AJC, every President changes out the attorneys when they come into office, especially coming from a Repub administration to a Democrat admin. See, you fit the mold, bud, ignorant as the day is long.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
To whit:
During the Bush administration especially but to a greater or lesser extent under every president since Lyndon Johnson, the media have thought it their duty — or, not to give them the benefit of the doubt, their profit — to deny our leaders this assumption of their good faith, with what result we see in the utter collapse of our political discourse into mere name-calling. Whose purposes does that serve?
Oh, right. I forgot. It serves the media’s purposes by increasing the level of moral drama and excitement in something that, to be effective, has to be and in fact is rather dull and, from their point of view, unmarketable. Not for the first time we may reflect that it is the media’s world; we’re only living in it. - American Spectator
Do we really need the manufactured drama, America?
Don’t we have enough real problems in the world already?
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
I am not at all surprised to see the Bushbots continuing to pretend they don’t know what the Justice department scandal is all about.
Lazy, ignorant, un-American, Faketriots.
By Ray
October 1, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
BD,
About the only things that we can expect from our government center around protecting us from foreign enemies and providing us with security, collecting tax dollars from most us, not all, passing laws to keep us a somewhat civilized nation and keeping a financial system to makes us competitive in the world market. Our government has let us down in each of the above roles, no matter who was in the White House. Calling a concerned citizen who pays taxes, works hard, loves his country and votes his conscience ignorant makes you look pretty bad. We do not all agree but we can keep it civilized.
By Mike
October 1, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
BDAtlanta -
Thanks for your keen insight. Now we know that all Republicans are evil, stupid or evil and stupid.
What an enlightened viewpoint. And an intellectually honest one too. It must be nice to live in a world where anyone who disagrees with your narrow view of the world is inherently flawed. Keeps you from having to think.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Andy, your post would be laudible if you walked the walk.
Mike: Nyeah, nyeah, you’re a bigger partisan hack than I am. Nyeah thppppp.
If you’re so self-aware, how come you didn’t think up the posting I wrote that you laughed about?
By lrd
October 1, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Oh the irony… the GOP who is all for Liberty, and the Rights of The Individual etc are howling because the Justice Department was politicized and the GOP caught red-handed. It also seems that the GOP always complainging about politicized judges? I guess having the entire Justice Dept politicized is ok. just yet another sign of power first, politics second and The People ( as in WE the people) are distant 3rd on this current admin priority list.
By Mike
October 1, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
ByteMe -
“Mike: Nyeah, nyeah, you’re a bigger partisan hack than I am. Nyeah thppppp.”
Hmm. OK. Looks like you missed my point, but that’s OK.
“If you’re so self-aware, how come you didn’t think up the posting I wrote that you laughed about?”
First of all self-awareness has nothing to do with “thinking up” silly blog posts. It means understanding yourself. In the context of my sentence in meant “understanding yourself enough to know that you engage in the same exact activity that you criticize.” So again, your lack of self-awareness is amusing.
Second of all, I wasn’t laughing at your witless and hypocritical dreck, I was laughing at you and your aforementioned lack of self-awareness.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
By ByteMe October 1, 2008 8:55 AM Andy, your post would be laudible if you walked the walk.
Yeah, sweetheart, you are absolutely right, we should trot out Janet Reno and have her announce that she has found no wrong doing in the administration, whatsoever.
It worked so well all through the 90’s.
By hillbilly ragger
October 1, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Ray, to point out the obvious: this isn’t a football game. It’s not the fracking Super Bowl. There is life beyond the “victory”. Which is why as an Obama supporter I really, really want more than just grabbing OH + Kerry states; I want to break the “solid (Republican) south” with VA and hopefully NC; I want some of the mountain states; Iowa ought to be blue as well.
I want the next President to have a real consensus, to bring about much-needed correction to decades of slack-jawed obedience to discredited, damaging conservative principles that hold government as “the problem” and an endless selloff of public assets as “the solution.”
I want the next President to have the ability to really lead, not lurch from one close call to the next, and blaming those close calls on “terrorism” or “economic crisis” borne of factors miraculously beyond the Administration’s control.
By RW-(the original)
October 1, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Headline: (and yes, Karl Rove is in the middle of it)
Evidence: possible targets include former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and perhaps even former White House aide Karl Rove.
JAYson “Leopold” Bookman is at the top of his game today.
Why is it Democrats have no problem with voter fraud? It seems to me that any US attorney that wwinks at voter fraud without investigating should be fired and probably tried.
By Truth
October 1, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Hillbilly Ragger…. It is gonna be a long time before the good wholesome silent majority is overtaken in the wonderful republican south!
By hillbilly ragger
October 1, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
RW, kindly cite the instances of “voter fraud” uncovered by the Justice Department, who had seven years to root it out.
By Taxpayer
October 1, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
ByteMe,
I assume that you also are in search of low cost, stay-at-home entertainment given the Republican-led destruction of jobs and gas shortages and their wanton destruction of our economy, the constitution, etc. Some of the Republican party’s new slogans “Give me my faux principle or I’ll give you destruction”, or “My ship’s not sinking — it’s just taking on water faster than I can pump it out.”
By RW-(the original)
October 1, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
ragger,
It would be kind of hard to find the voter fraud when the US attorney that was in charge refused to investigate the charges, but I’m commenting on Jay’s column where he blows by potential voter fraud like it was an accusation of jaywalking.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Andy: Like I said….
Mike: Like I said….
Hmm.. that was easy and left time to think up other witty things to say.
Ragger: Yay! VOTE FOR INTELLIGENCE!! I want the smartest man in the room to be in charge, not the “high functioning moron” who can be pushed around by his advisors.
RW: if you check deeper, you’ll find out that the voter fraud complaints were investigated and were found NOT credible, but yet the Republicans were pushing for charges right before the election anyway, just to swing some voters into the R column. Mukasey wouldn’t have appointed a special prosecutor and said what he said if it was a boondoggle… it’s not a boondoggle. This was really an attempt to use the Justice Dept. to swing a few 2006 elections using phony charges and certain prosecutors wouldn’t play along and got fired for it.
By Mr Snarky
October 1, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
I think Bush and Gonzalez must have been having a contest to see who can govern in the most destructive and incompetent manner possible, given their jobs. So far, its a tie. They both strike me as complete boobs in far over their heads…so far, in fact, that they now think water is air. Mr. Snarky is outraged!
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
The libs are angry! that they didn’t get unfettered socialism:
The opposition was especially intense among House Republicans, even though the most urgent pleas came from fellow Republicans in the executive branch. Those who voting against a rescue, in my judgment, should be held accountable by voters at the polls this November if the country now endures greater hardships.-Gergen, CNN
Go pound sand, Stalin.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer: I work at home and haven’t filled my car in about 3 weeks. I heard from a cousin last night that there’s a web site for finding gas in Atlanta that’s using Google for mapping the locations. Anyone have a link?
As for entertainment: Thursday night should be my fill for the week. Popcorn and suspense and… gaffes!
By RW-(the original)
October 1, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
ByteMe,
This week Ohio is having one week where you can register and immediately vote. This doesn’t give the registrars any time to verify eligibility and is a veritable petri dish for voter fraud schemes. No matter how much fraud goes on none will be found there either if it’s “investigated” beyond maybe ACORN getting a slap on the wrist for favoring Democrats. Their punishment will be Chris Dodd and Barney Frank giving them 20% of 700 billion of our dollars to “clean up” their act.
The proof that Democrats don’t care is that they are always setting up scams like this.
Personally I’d like to see us get back to where you vote on election day and you only get an absentee ballot if you have a darn good reason. In either case you should have a valid ID and proof of eligibility.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Vote fraud…..a teeny tiny issue brought up by the GOP to hide their record of
REPUBLICAN ELECTION FRAUD
A HUGE ISSUE
Got Caging?
Voter caging programs are often challenged in lawsuits. Two of the best known lawsuits to date have resulted in consent decrees against the Republican National Committee, prohibiting racially targeted voter caging and requiring other ballot security programs to be pre-approved by a federal court
AND
Obama campaign files suit over voter ‘caging’ allegations
From the Washington Post
Since 2002, the Justice Department’s Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative has, as Gonzales put it, “made enforcement of election fraud and corruption offenses a top priority.” And yet between October 2002 and September 2005, just 38 cases were brought nationally, and of those, 14 ended in dismissals or acquittals, 11 in guilty pleas, and 13 in convictions. Though a Justice Department manual on election crime states that these cases “may present an easier means of obtaining convictions than do other forms of public corruption,” federal attorneys have failed to rack up those convictions, for the simple reason that incidents of fraud have been few and far between.
As the Republican Myth has it, nothing is more fraught with fraud than voter-registration campaigns waged in working-class and poor neighborhoods that are largely black or Hispanic. According to the 2004 Census, 15 percent of blacks and Hispanics were registered during such campaigns; the figure for whites is just 9 percent. But of those 38 prosecutions that the Justice Department brought between 2002 and 2005, a grand total of two were for fabricating or falsifying voter registration applications. This qualifies as one of our smaller crime waves.
FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE PROJECT
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner - who was elected after the law went into effect - has issued a directive that bans counties from purging these voters off the list without due process for the voter
*But the list will be made available to Republican operatives who can challenge any voter on the list at the polling place on Election Day by making the case that the citizen was not voting from his or her current address. Challenged voters will be forced to cast a provisional ballot which may never be counted. *
How many voters might this affect? The last time this mailer went out was in March, before Ohio’s presidential primary. In five of Ohio’s biggest counties, over 600,000 voters were put on the undeliverable list
Faketriots abound!
By RealityKing
October 1, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
YAWWWWWNNNN
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
The ninny strikes again:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband’s real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year.-Washington Times
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
RW: You changed the topic. You were railing about the lack of investigation and that they should have been fired for that. When I mention you need to dig deeper, you changed the topic to Ohio and the possibility of voter fraud with their register + vote week. The fraud complaints were checked; no fraud charges were filed because the complaints didn’t warrant it, the prosecutor got fired because Republican politicians complained that the charges weren’t filed before the election to swing the vote. Can’t argue with the outcome so far.
As to the rest of your argument, you really think that they check eligibility once you show them a utility bill and your ID and they verify you’re not already in the system? Personally, in the age of computers and huge repositories of data about us, I doubt that there’s enough voter fraud going on when compared to, say, the 5-10% of votes that don’t get counted because of machine or systemic failures.
By RW-(the original)
October 1, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
ByteMe,
Please, drama queen. I didn’t rail about anything I made a comment based on how easily Jay could pass by the possibility of voter fraud as if it were nothing and it should be obvious to anyone that the thrust of my comment was the discrepancy between the headline and the body of the article.
I’m going to work now. Let your delusions entertain you until I get back.
PS: The voter fraud of the day is out of state college kids voting in the wrong states. Who do you think is the beneficiary of that?
By getalife
October 1, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
Finally Mukasey had to do something.
When will heads start to roll?
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
RW: The voter fraud of the day is out of state college kids voting in the wrong states. Who do you think is the beneficiary of that?
So you’re either saying that there are no college kids who are Republican or that the American people aren’t going to be the beneficiary.
And you did rail on about it. Multiple posts. You just can’t handle the truth. No go run to work.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
College Kids?
Seriously dude, read.
Late last month, as a voter-registration drive by supporters of Senator Barack Obama was signing up thousands of students at Virginia Tech, the local registrar of elections issued two releases incorrectly suggesting a range of dire possibilities for students who registered to vote at their college. The releases warned that such students could no longer be claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns, a statement the Internal Revenue Service says is incorrect, and could lose scholarships or coverage under their parents’ car and health insurance.
AND
The widespread practice of students’ registering to vote at their college address has set off a fracas in Virginia, a battleground state in the presidential election. Late last month, as a voter-registration drive by supporters of Senator Barack Obama was signing up thousands of students at Virginia Tech, the local registrar of elections issued two releases incorrectly suggesting a range of dire possibilities for students who registered to vote at their college.
Bottom line, what’s left of the Neo-Conservative movement does not want anybody who has a different world view than they to vote.
Faketriots abound!
By RW-(the original)
October 1, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
I’ll leave it to the sane people to find the “railing” in my three comments prior to the 10:16 or just dismiss ByteMe as a lunatic.
Later!
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Lunatic? You dress in a cape and call yourself Batman, but somehow I’m the lunatic??
WhooooHeeeeeheeeheeeheeheeheeee…..
By Taxpayer
October 1, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
ByteMe,
I’ve had one fill-up in two weeks but I have to get out and find gas for a planned trip this weekend and I’m not looking forward to that. I’ve been keeping an eye on gasbuddy but I have not checked out the mapping sites to see if they have something going to help consumers. You would think our government could get some of their work-at-home employees at the DOT or somewhere to at least do that much in exchange for our tax dollars. Republicans — can’t live with ‘em but we could sure survive without ‘em.
Also, I too am looking forward to Saturday Night Live on Thursday night. It’s nice to have some extra Tina comedy unless they put in that stupid stand-in, what’s her name, Sarah something.
This is my third attempt at sending a variation of this post. I don’t know if I’m using some key word that gets it kicked out or what so I keep making slight changes between attempts. What gives, Jay?
By Truth
October 1, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Godzilla… How about you stop with the Faketriots comment. I consider that a complete slap in my face just as I am sure you have names that you would consider the same….
By Taxpayer
October 1, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
ByteMe,
You are not the lunatic. RW and his blogging brethren of the church of faux righteous indignation like to play out this same scenario with anyone that does not sing along. It’s just the way they are. Ask, Jay. Then again, I do find them amusing from time to time.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Rail 1
JAYson “Leopold” Bookman is at the top of his game today.
Rail 2
Why is it Democrats have no problem with voter fraud?
Rail 3
I’m commenting on Jay’s column where he blows by potential voter fraud like it was an accusation of jaywalking
Rail 4
No matter how much fraud goes on none will be found there either if it’s “investigated” beyond maybe ACORN getting a slap on the wrist for favoring Democrats
Rail 5
Their punishment will be Chris Dodd and Barney Frank giving them 20% of 700 billion of our dollars to “clean up” their act.
Rail 6
The proof that Democrats don’t care is that they are always setting up scams like this.
Rail 7
Please, drama queen. I didn’t rail about anything I made a comment based on how easily Jay could pass by the possibility of voter fraud as if it were nothing
From Diotionary.com rail: To express objections or criticisms in bitter, harsh, or abusive language
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Palin’s comments to Hewitt came roughly 24 hours after CBS aired a portion of Couric’s interview with both McCain and his running mate. In that conversation, McCain decried the “gotcha” journalism that led Palin to say she favored cross border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan. (McCain disagrees with that position.) - Chris Cillizza, Washington Post
Liars.
McCain stated he would work with the Pakistan government and take whatever actions that resulted from the diplomatic actions.
Oblahma said he would cross the border without Pakistan’s approval.
No wonder Sarah doesn’t read the “news” papers, lying elitist trash, all.
By Dusty
October 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
What a farce! There has been no proven scandal! Just a bunch of political maneuvering by liberals to show ‘Bush hate’ and smear Republicans during election time. And compare a no facts deal to Watergate? Bookman keeps wishing.
Indict Gonzalez!! Indict Rove!! But above all, INDICT CLINTON FOR FIRING FEDERAL PROSCECUTORS! YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. If Gonzalez under Bush did the wrong thing, SO DID CLINTON.
Bookman resurrects a dead deal trying to make a BIG deal out of it. Oh well, he’ll be off on a wild good chase after Palin in no time. Just watch! And somebody ought to tell him, Bush is not running for reelection. Rove is not around. But Congress under the leadership of Democrat Pelosi is sinking like a stone. Funny how Bookman can ignore the obvious.
Relax, Bookman, in two years some report will come out with the bill for millions of dollars to prove that nothing unusual happened. Maybe they will be investigating Pelosi by then.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer: We were discussing last night the possibility that it was really Tina Fey in the Katie Couric interviews and we were all part of a grand hoax put on by CBS. Sort of like the whole idea that the lunar landing was a hoax created on at a studio backlot.
Really, though, I don’t underestimate her ability to connect with voters who feel without thinking too deeply about the issues. Her gubernatorial opponent in Alaska had all the facts and figures and knowledge, but she just connected better with voters during their debates. The question is: will her handlers turn her loose or will they fill her head with facts and figures and we get to watch the house come tumblin’ down?
I think Biden’s ability to really get too much into what he’s saying might get him into trouble as well. He starts to get on this roll and then words come out without him thinking about what he’s saying or how he’s saying it. I’m guessing that his coaches are helping him turn 2-minute answers into 90-second answers, just to ensure he doesn’t get too long-winded. And he needs to focus his barbs on McCain and totally ignore Palin for anything negative, no matter how much she tries to needle him.
Should make for a fun watching experience if they are allowed to interact like the other debates are supposed to be structured.
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Truth,
I am sorry if the comment offends you, but I promise being a Fake Patriot is far more offensive and a danger to our Nation.
Perhaps some soul searching on your part would reveal why that term offends you. Harboring some guilt perhaps?
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
And here I thought Sarah couldn’t speak:
Ironic too, Hugh, that some would consider my position on life and trying to usher in a culture of life, respecting the sanctity of life in America, that that is seen as an extreme position when to me, an extreme position is one that Barack Obama took when he was in the Illinois State Senate, not even supporting a measure that would ban partial birth abortion, not even supporting a measure that would during, after a botched abortion and that baby’s born alive, allowing medical care to cease and allowing that baby to die. That to me is extreme. That’s so far, far left it’s certainly out of the mainstream of America. To me, that is the extreme position, not my position of just wanting that culture of life to be respected, and not wanting government to sanction the idea of ending life. - Hugh Hewitt
Oh I get it, she doesn’t speak the language of the baby killers, now I understand.
By ByteMe
October 1, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G: Thank you for taking the time to prove my point. Much appreciated.
Some people need to learn to concede points in a debate. The phrase “John’s right” that Obama used showed graciousness and acknowledgement that certain points McCain made were correct… and then he used that as a jumping off point to show all the places where McCain was wrong. Doing that makes the attacks seem like less of an attack and more like you’re really hearing what the other guy is saying and disagree with it. Impressions were that McCain was doing more attacking, when reality was likely different, but the way they went about it showed which one really understood how to debate to get the audience on your side.
Many of the wingnuts here and elsewhere would get more positive results if they truly understood how to be gracious. That’s a criticism of both ends of the spectrum.
By Ben
October 1, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Doesn’t matter. The folks in question serve at the pleasure of the President. He can fire them for any reason he wants to, the only thing that might stop him is tradition, but there’s nothing illegal about him firing one of them for any reason he wants.
By hillbilly ragger
October 1, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Snort. Poor Sarah’s really chugged the Kool-Aid with those “why doesn’t Obama want to save the life of the wrigglin’ parshully-birthed BAYBEEE?” comments posted by the Luckotroool @ 11.04.
Luckotroool, don’t you think, maybe, Joe Biden — the devout Catholic, a guy who knows a thing or two about losing actual loved ones, not hypothetical “pre-born” critters — is loaded for frickin’ bear on that one?
By Mrs. Godzilla
October 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Actually Ben….
You are wrong.
Read a little bit, google perhaps, and you’ll find that there are illegal reasons for firing U.S. Attorneys.
Really, Dude…illegal reasons.
If you are a REAL PATRIOT not a FAKEtriot then you should care about that whole “illegal” thing.
Or of course, you could be one of those “damn, the rule of law as long as it suits me and my party” kinda’ guys.
But, certainly not you….you’d but your country first, right?
Reading is FUNdamental!
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
“Loaded” with what?
It damn sure won’t be the communal sacraments of his Catholic Church.
They told him to fuggitaboutit, baby killer.
By "The Corporal"
October 1, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Jay - are you censoring me? I have sent two posts today that are not there …………
By "The Corporal"
October 1, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Did everyone see or hear all of those cute little kids singing the praise songs to Lord Obama?
The kids that weren’t aborted that is.
By DARRYL
October 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
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SAME BUT FBI AND CORRUPT JUDICAIAL SYSTEM OUT OF CHICAGO. FAKE PROCEEDINGS.