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It wasn’t Nancy with the laughing face
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Barack Obama has reportedly begun to call Democratic House members who opposed the bailout, trying to change a few minds and votes. No names are being mentioned, but you have to think that the four Georgia Democrats who voted against the bill — Hank Johnson, David Scott, John Lewis and John Barrow, whom Obama endorsed in a Democratic primary — would be on the call list.
Another Georgia Democrat, Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon, voted for the package despite facing one of the toughest re-election fights of any Democrat in Congress. He reportedly told fellow Democrats that this vote was important enough to lose his seat over if necessary. You gotta like that sentiment.
Also, you may remember that in the wake of Monday’s disastrous bailout vote, Republican House leaders tried to put the blame for their failure on an ill-considered and partisan speech by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
“We had a dozen members that we thought that we had a really good chance of getting on the floor,” House Minority Leader John Boehner told reporters afterward. “And all that evaporated when the speaker spoke.”
A day later, that excuse has fallen apart:




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Comments
By Joey
September 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
Jay, It would be interesting to know why John Lewis voted no. May too, who does John believe is responsible for the mess?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
They agree that it was a stupid speech, good enough for me.
So who do we blame now for the failure, Oblahma for not getting his majority together?
By getalife
September 30, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
Even the drug addict rush made fun of that ridiculous argument.
The dems will get the bailout passed and the gop will probably change their leadership.
Business and politics as usual.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
The real reason the House GOP voted as they did:
Conservatism is more than a quaint belief-system to be embraced and debated over donuts at Starbucks. It is more than a list of talking points. It is the foundation of the civil society. The liberal uses crises, real or manufactured, to expand the power of government at the expense of the individual and private property. He has spent, in earnest, 70 years evading the Constitution’s limits on governmental power. If conservatives don’t stand up to this, who will? If they don’t offer serious alternatives that address the current circumstances AND defend the founding principles, who will? The House Republicans have done both. And I, for one, thank them.-Mark Levin
By MorningStar
September 30, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Jay, the Republicans are not the only culprits who can play the Second Grade level game.
Upon arriving home this afternoon, I decided to grill pork chops for dinner. Hubby had the gall to elaborate on the contents of the blasted refrigerator.
D@* it! Just because science projects are growing in there gives him no right to question my housekeeping!
I’ll show the big bully! Out goes the chops! Whacha gonna eat now, you big bully?
Hey USA, whacha gonna do if that bill doesn’t pass tomorrow? As a matter of information, which may be wrong, I think it will!
By getalife
September 30, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Wall Street is using the argument that the market rebounded 500 points today because they think the bailout will pass Thursday.
It was because the 630 billion hit the markets. Yet, both candidates and leadership want 700 billion more and will probably get it.
Change?
Where?
By T
September 30, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
So, where or when do we the people get to take a look at this bill? No, I don’t know the ends and outs of finance, but apparently I’m not the only one.
However, if I have a negative balance in my checking account and keep writing checks for stuff I can’t afford, eventually Fulton county shows up to take me to jail.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 30, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Hey if all it takes for the market to rebound is for them to think we are going to pass a bailout….. well then, let’s keep them thinking that!
By N-GA
September 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
A friend was reading Andy’s 3:59 post: “The liberal uses crises, real or manufactured, to expand the power of government at the expense of the individual and private property.” He laughed so hard he “sharted”!
I guess that it was liberals who created TSA, increased government surveillance, etc. This administration is more interested in the oversight of its citizens than oversite of corporate criminals.
By Goldie
September 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
I’d prefer we pour the billions into our failing banking system vs. continuing to pour billions into that sinkhole in Iraq. At least with our financial system, we taxpayers have a chance of getting something out of it in the long term. What exactly do we think we’re gonna get out of Iraq in another 2 to 5 years — a stable democratic-style government who will be one of our allies? HA HA HA.
By @@
September 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
You may be the only one who’s a day late jay. Asked immediately after Boehner’s claim, they (Republicans opposed) said that Nancy Pelosi’s speech had nothing to do with their decision. It was a bad bill to which the voters were opposed.
Democrats, Republicans, and political pundits all agree that Nancy’s last jab was unnecessary and potentially destructive.
Turns out they were all right.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
By N-GA September 30, 2008 4:31 PM I guess that it was liberals who created TSA, increased government surveillance, etc
Etc. of course means blah, blah, blah.
I sure would like to know of one person affected by these horrifying government intrusions on a scale of let’s say, oh, I don’t know, environmental junk science?
I look forward to your answer.
By scottnotfor- dipstick-lipstick-rove 08
September 30, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
Hope they do something…the credit markets are frozen…the big banks are calling in home equity loans…(fine print loan/value issues)….credit cards ..car loans canceled… good credit turned down for loans…
By MorningStar
September 30, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
By N-GA September 30, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this A friend was reading Andy’s 3:59 post: “The liberal uses crises, real or manufactured, to expand the power of government at the expense of the individual and private property.” He laughed so hard he “sharted”!
Geez N Georgia. You just ruined the chicken casserole I was planning to prepare, after dumping the pork chops! No problema, the laugh was worth it all. Is there no end to the madness?
By Eddy
September 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
i don’t believe that there is a single Senator or Congressman that could explain in simple, understandable terms what all of the components of the proposed bailout plan are; what specific effect each has on the banking and credit markets; and what effect each has on “mainstreet”. All I’ve heard are lots of snazzy terms that are used in such a way that would seem to convey that the one using them really knows what they really mean. Nothing could be further from the truth!!
Posturing, posing and claiming is all that’s being done. Let’s position ourselves so that we can claim credit if something good happens but also position ourselves to disavow any knowledge or participation by any of us should it fail.
Just look at Dodd, Frank and Pelosi….perfect picture of terminal stupidity or as they say down here “lost dogs in high weeds”.
By getalife
September 30, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
So, they have no trust, no accountability, no credibility, injected 630 billion into the market, the market rebounds 485 points and they are still trying to get 700 billion more.
Talk about lipstick on a pig.
Good luck selling that pig leaders.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Chicken casserole served up by a whiny lib, good gawd, no matter how bad you think you got it, someone else is always worse off.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
The Phoenix lander started digging trenches into Martian soil after touching down near the planet’s north pole on May 25, revealing a white substance that scientists said was ice in June. Now scientists want to examine whether that ice ever thaws to assess whether the environment has been favorable for life, a key aim of the mission.
It’s an average of 61 degrees below zero on Mars and NASA is researching whether the ice ever thaws.
I pray for you America.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
Oh, and by the way dimwits:
The atmosphere of Mars is quite different from that of Earth. It is composed primarily of carbon dioxide with very small amounts of other gases, such as nitrogen and oxygen.
According to al-Gore, Mars should be in flames, hahahaha.
Geeks.
By CJ
September 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
“Barack Obama has reportedly begun to call Democratic House members who opposed the bailout, trying to change a few minds and votes.”
This bailout proposal is extremely risky and justifiably unpopular, and so I don’t actually like to see Obama lobbying for more votes. The Dems voted 3 out of 5 on behalf and the Republicans voted 2 out of 3 against. If they’re going to pass an awful “bi-partisan” bill, then Republicans need to show some courage too.
On the other hand, if we’re going to pass a Democratic bill, then let’s pass a Democratic bill—one that will get all Dems on board regardless of what the Republicans think (e.g. allowing bankruptcy judges to reset the terms of a mortgage, extending unemployment insurance, tax credits for mortgage interest for homeowners that don’t have big enough deductions to itemize,…)
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this
I think Obama is doing a little double dealing here. His national co-chair is Jesse Jackson Jr who voted no as did 21 or so other members of the black caucus. All of them are supporters of Obama so Barry had enough votes in his pocket on Monday to turn the outcome.
I can’t for the life of me see why, but the longer this lingers it seems to help Obama and he has enough votes to ride in as the savior later.
I hope when that happens we’ll have some reporter that’s honest enough to ask what he delayed things for.
Jay B,
It’s hard to tell through the evolution of your articles. Are you for or against this bailout/rescue?
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
“On the other hand, if we’re going to pass a Democratic bill, then let’s pass a Democratic bill—one that will get all Dems on board regardless of what the Republicans think (e.g. allowing bankruptcy judges to reset the terms of a mortgage, extending unemployment insurance, tax credits for mortgage interest for homeowners that don’t have big enough deductions to itemize”
IE: socialism.
I would agree to that pile of crap if a conservative is allowed to also look at the homeowners complete financial picture including their cable bill, cell phone bill, lease for their Lexus, lease for their 50” plasma TV, lease for their 24” rims, and their grocery list.
In the mind of a liberal, IS ANYBODY EVER RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS? Geez. You dimwits probably think Brian Nichols is innocent too…
By Felix
September 30, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this
The Dems can’t pass a truly Democratic bill because there’s a Repub in the WH. I was wrong about the market today. I thought for sure there would be a big sell-off at the end into the rally. Did that not occur because it was the end of the quarter? If yes, look out tomorrow, unless some good news comes from somewhere.
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
At this point, the Dems could probably write a bill that gives the Bush administration what it wants and leave off everything that the house Republicans want and pass it without any significant Republican support. The Dems just wanted the coward Republicans to take part in their President’s proposal and stop acting like this whole thing is some sort of Dem proposal. Then again, what should anyone expect from a bunch of whining Republican cowards. They clearly are acting in their own personal (career politician) interests. After all, that’s what they really mean by “family values” — their family’s net worth, not other families.
By Bosch
September 30, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
RB,
I see you haven’t changed much. Is your point that anyone in financial crisis is a liberal? All those half million dollar homes are owned by liberals?
I don’t get your one-sidedness.
And no, I personally do not see why we are wasting so much tax money on Brian Nichols, except that well, it’s the law and although I think he deserves to be shot on the courthouse steps, we are all afforded due process.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
By Felix September 30, 2008 6:37 PM Did that not occur because it was the end of the quarter?
It’s better to report cash on hand at the end of a quarter but for some reason everyone wanted some more stocks on their balance sheets.
Plus, usually it is “sell” on Rosh Hoshanah and “buy” on Yom Kipper but again, the tradition was foregone for the bargain hunting.
Some “disaster,” huh?
By Felix
September 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
We’ll know a little better tomorrow, but I’ve been on the sidelines with our modest investments for weeks. Got out at a good time for once, but undoubtedly will miss the next big move to the upside. For some reason I can’t link to your comments; get an error on page.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 7:12 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer: I appreciate you expanding your commentary horizons, you are no longer stale although, however, you are still a ninny:
By Taxpayer September 30, 2008 6:47 PM They clearly are acting in their own personal (career politician) interests.
Uh-huh:
Just 30 percent back the bail out package, according to an Associated Press-Knowledge Networks poll conducted Thursday night. Another 45 percent oppose it while the rest say they don’t know.
They are acting in the interest of We The People, I guess with you being a lib and all you wouldn’t understand such a concept.
On the other hand, now that your Pompous Little Aristocrat has stuck his neck out in the most major way, I do in fact hope the Repugs start acting like craven political animals and open a can of whoop as-s on this dimwit.
Cause he ain’t gonna unify the democrats.
By Ray
September 30, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
Why don’t we ask Franklin Raines what to do? He has raped the system about as well as any Democrat could do, along with Howard and Johnson. These three Democrats are about as sorry a trio of American citizens as we could muster and each has had a multi-million dollar golden parachute for his efforts in destroying our economy. Why do we continue to ignore them? The media has not focused on their complicity in this mess but continues to focus on Palin’s bridge to nowhere and some trooper nonsense. The real issues lie in where Fannie Mae, led by a raging Democrat who has raped the system to his own benefit, and a Senator named Dodd and a Butt Pilot named Frank who think that the electorate is stupid and non-informed. The ignorant New York Demos who re-elect Frank and the ignorant Conn Demos who re-elect Dodd are really non-American. They must be living in some kind of fantasy land where accountability and responsibility are not an issue.
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this
Bosch, To look at the political affilitation of those who have been foreclosed on and are ultimately responsible for this mess would be very interesting. I have no idea how that might look. I have my opinions, but no facts to back them with.
My point is the the “i’m a victim” mentality of the previous post. Let’s restructure their loan, etc… How about the rest of us who are paying their mortgage bills each month. Do we keep paying 6% while those who defaulted get helped to 4.5% or whatever while driving a Lexus with 24” rims etc.? As a society, we’ve made it way too easy for people to file bankruptcy and walk away with society left holding the bag. In that scenario, “society” is those of us who manage our money within our means. I drive a 140K mile auto, change my own oil, ride my bike when I can, etc. Why am I paying for others irresponsibility?
If you disagree, YOU help them with their mortgage, but leave me alone.
By Ray
September 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
RB,
The post of the day.
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
Ray,
As much as I would love to blame New York for Barney Frank and his continuing presence in Congress, honesty compels me to admit that it’s my birth state of Massachusetts that keeps sending that moron back. We have a long history of returning the worthless to DC year after year. I like to think it’s just to keep them out of the state.
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 7:34 PM | Link to this
Mighty presidential looking there, John — Not! Try a little harder next time so you don’t come across as such a complete idiot. …But as September turns to October—Wednesday marks 34 days to the Nov. 4 election—it is clear McCain himself is to blame for the most urgent problems. His snap decision to throw himself into the bailout debate has proven disastrous, since his efforts looked late and half-hearted, and many in the GOP ignored his pleas in Monday’s House vote…
By GodHatesTrash
September 30, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
L-o-l-a Even Dumber than W
By getalife
September 30, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this
Lou Dobbs had two dems proposing the “No Bailout Act” using past legislation when banks failed and cost the taxpayer nothing.
They proposed to call the Senate because they will vote tomorrow.
By Bosch
September 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Link to this
RB,
I think most of us would agree with you. I don’t like irresponsible people any more than you do. But it’s dishonest to blame a certain group of people be it minorities or members of a particular political affiliation for the financial crisis we are seeing now.
It’s everybody, not just one group.
I would also add that as a society, we have allowed our populace to live outside our means in order to keep the appearance that we are a strong and wealthy nation, which, I just do not think is true anymore.
It seems to me that keeping up with appearances both home and abroad is not all it is cut out to be.
I’ve been on the fence with a bailout, it is necessary to keep the financial industry afloat, but the other side of me says, let it all fall. I think as a society such a drastic measure would be painful for many, but necessary to bring us all back to reality, and I feel is inevitable either way.
By Bosch
September 30, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this
Let me change something. I think we are a strong and wealthy nation. We just seem to not be using the strengths we have in a responsible way. I think the American worker is the best in the world, but we keep sending our jobs overseas. We have virtually unlimited sources of energy, but aren’t using them to our advantage.
Why not? It doesn’t make sense to me, and I want to elect officials that will change that.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
By AJC/DNC Management September 30, 2008 11:54 AM Aahhh, yes, nothing like postcards from the indoctrination center: Kids Sing for Change Obama For real, the abortion survivors sing of “their” dear leader, how comforting. This is sick in ways unimaginable, children of that age should not be worshiping some political leader, but do you really think the libs care about the children? Or do they just care about their sicko political power?
Songs for the Dear Leader Obama. The indoctrination of children, three bites of children singing about Barack Obama. Little crumb crunchers, skulls full of mush being polluted and perverted by a bunch of Hollywood pro-Obamaite liberals.-Rush Limbaugh 2nd hour
Am I the man or what?
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 8:22 PM | Link to this
And yet, letting companies go bankrupt, stock prices fall, etc., will provide the perfect opportunity for the greedy and corrupt individuals that brought us to this point (directly or indirectly depending on the individual’s involvement) to jump right back in to the game. They have their cash stashed away from years and years of pillaging of the average wage earner, investor, retiree… and they are waiting on the sidelines to jump in and pick up the spoils of their own making. If only the average person understood how these people make their fortunes. There would likely be riots on the streets. Then again, there may yet be riots in some places where small investors have been burned such as China. A Lehman Brothers broker showing up on the street in China right now would be about as bad, by comparison, as a Union Carbide executive showing up on the streets in India back in the mid ’80s. Well, maybe not quite as bad but who knows.
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC-M,
Maybe tomorrow Rush can explore just how deep into that child exploitation video Jeff Zucker was.
President and CEO of NBC Universal Jeff Zucker that is. They thank him on the Sing for Change web page, at least for right now.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Link to this
RW: I know, and just like everything on PMSNBC, the video was horrific.
Those kids were tortured.
By Felix
September 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Ray, the reason Raines, et al aren’t being mentioned is they’ve been gone too long. He also sucked up to Bush pretty well:
(FORTUNE Magazine) – On a sunny Monday in June 2002, President George W. Bush stood in the St. Paul AME Church in a formerly dilapidated neighborhood on the south side of Atlanta. Sitting in prime seats were Franklin Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae, and Leland Brendsel, the CEO of Freddie Mac. The President was there to unveil an initiative aimed at helping 5.5 million minority families buy homes before the end of the decade—“Part of being a secure America,” he said, “is to encourage home-ownership.” In October 2002, at the White House Conference on Minority Home Ownership, Raines and Caldwell were both on hand to be praised warmly by Bush for their work.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/01/24/8234040/index.htm
Bosch, yes we are a strong and wealthy nation, but too much of the wealth is controlled by the super-rich and we’re spending (wasting?) way too much on defense (offense?). The trend is definitely working against us, tho.
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this
A mesage from neo-Repug, Billy Jeff
By Ray
September 30, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Lets take the Frank thing a bit further. Here is a career politician, elected over and over again by an electorate who cannot see past their noses to a position of super responsibility that he is definitely not qualified to accept. He is the Peter Principle at it’s utmost. Talk about Palin being unqualified. Then he is outed when he tries to solicit sex from a gay prostitute for $80. This paragon of virtue and model for our children and the country has again proven that he is one of the sorriest, do nothing people that could possibly be in our Congress. And he spends our tax dollars and formulates our laws. Damn, America, where have we ended up?
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
A READER AT A MAJOR NEWSROOM EMAILS: “Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working.” I asked permission to reprint without attribution and it was granted.
I think this very blog is enough evidence that it’s much the same at the AJC, but does the AJC really have a newsroom?
By Ray
September 30, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this
Felix,
Wow!! About the best synopsis I have seen so far.
By getalife
September 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
Both candidates will screw you tomorrow:
“Senate to vote on financial rescue plan Wednesday “.
That is your change. Bipartisan 700 billion outrage.
By Ray
September 30, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this
Interesting U Tube speech by Maxine Waters, that stalwart , virtuous Congressional Black Caucus member who looks out for her own interests and that of the far left. Says that Fannie Mae is looking out for the “less fortunate” and should continue to “provide the American dream” for all of those not able to even afford to pay off their loans. Who elects these people? Who is complicit with their representation of their electorate? I am sure that there are a few Repubs that have not represented America as well as they should but damn, where does it stop? And Bookman and Luko continue to hide their head in the sand.
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this
” They have their cash stashed away from years and years of pillaging of the average wage earner, investor, retiree”
Spoken from the mouth of a person who never has and never will have the courage to hang a shingle with the dream of making something of themselves; to throw caution to the wind and give 80 hrs a week for the hope of making something from nothing. This is the dunce segment of our society who thinks all rich people were “fortunate” and not that they worked their a@@es off to get where they are. They can be found in Webster’s under the entry of “Loser = Noun”.
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
What does it take to make The One roll up his sleeves? Just the prospect of economic calamity. Oh, and Karl Rove publicly humiliating him for doing jack to help pass this bill when he’s out telling voters is desperately needed to avert disaster.
For the last time, it isn’t Barry’s fault what his evil teleprompter makes him say.
By GodHatesTrash
September 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
Dumpster divers?
Looks like job prospects for Bookman’s rightwingnuts are looking up!
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this
Bosch, I’ll agree that a generalization of minority groups or political affiliations isn’t fair only if you’re willing to admit that the liberal mantra in this nation has become one of “it’s not my fault” (which supports my position). As I said, I have no data to support my position, but I don’t live under a rock either. I know there are $500K homes in Hamilton Mill in foreclosure, but I also konw there are $200K homes in Stone Mountain in foreclosure with a leased Lexus and Benz in the driveway. Neither is the telling story. The truth, if you’re willing to admit it, is the people who caused this entire problem are people who are not willing to manage their own money and accept responsibility for their own actions. That, my blogging friend, has become the definition of a liberal. You figure out which party they support.
By By Love
September 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
Amazing, seven years of Republican giveaways to the rich, yet,now, it’s all the liberals fault. LOL
By By Love
September 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the definition of a liberal,RB, but, somehow, I’d always thought of Wall Street as being a conservative crowd.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 30, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this
RW, what evidence does Instapundit offer that the source of that email is actually IN a newsroom?
I can almost guarantee it is a lie. In all my time in journalism, I have NEVER heard of a single reporter going through a dumpster. The idea that in this day and age, with the economics of this business being what they are, some newsroom has EIGHT journalists dumpster diving is ridiculous.
Furthermore, any journalist worth his or her salt knows that it is Freddie Mac, not Freddiemae. That post reads precisely like something written by a blog commenter who thinks she or he knows something about a newsroom, and not at all like something written by an actual journalist.
But hey, you’re going to believe what you wish.
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
“seven years of Republican giveaways to the rich”
Clever. Did you come up with that yourself or did you hear that on NPR and think it’s cool to repeat it?
Since you brought it up, though, why don’t you give some evidence of how Bush has given “giveaways” to the “rich”. Please be specific as most of us can see through empty slogans and BS. And then tell us why you think “rich” people should not be allowed to keep the same portion of their money the rest of us do.
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett you are indeed the dumbest blogger I have encountered to date. I think you even surpass Andy and that is quite the accomplishment. Congratulations there, bub.
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this
“Thanks for the definition of a liberal,RB, but, somehow, I’d always thought of Wall Street as being a conservative crowd.”
Why is that? What about wall st makes you think they’re conservatives?
By sunshine and thunder
September 30, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
JAY
Nancy Pelosi’s congress has an approval rating of less than 10% and she completely mismanaged her role as speaker with that third grade speech. Hell, she couldn’t even get some of her democRAT committee heads to vote for the bill. Why should Republicans give her the time of day?
At the same time Sarah Palin’s approval ratings were near 85% in Alaska.
Just another notch in Ms. Palin’s moose gun. LOL.
Oh, please. Don’t let me get you inspired to write yet another attack on “she who Jay fears most”.
By RW-(the original)
September 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
Jaay B,
I’s instructive to see what posts you respond to and what ones you ignore, even when they contain direct questions.
Are anonymous sources off limits now? That would put the New York Times out of business.
Did Glenn say the email came from a journalist? Why no he didn’t, but it could also be that the Freddiemae was one of those cutesy shorthand things you “news” people are so fond of.
I do agree with you that it’s a stretch to think any organization in your business has eight news gatherers. Basically it’s buy AP stories and hire a few hacks for filler.
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AJC/DNC-M,
I held off until the bitter end, but your Palehose are heading to Tampa to get their butts kicked their. I mean play round 1. Congrats!
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Hungry PI types will dig through the garbage and even snack a little along the way. People will do all sorts of strange things under the “right” circumstances.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
September 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Last week they were telling us it was going to be catastrophe if a bill didn’t pass by the weekend. This week they’re telling us the same thing. I don’t think any of them even understand what they are voting on.
They just put $600+ billion in. Why don’t they give that a few days to see what happens. It’s no surprise the market is going up and down like a yo-yo; that’s what gamblers do.
And just as an aside, has anyone out there, at any time, ever had a stock broker tell you it was a bad time to buy stocks?
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Hey Jay,
How are you coming along with the evidince of Obama’s foreign policy experience I asked you for a few days ago and haven’t seen yet? Surely any “journalist worth his or her salt” would take an objective look at candidates before bashing one of them endlessly for a shortcoming while ignoring the same shortcoming in another. The shoe fits Jay. Wear it proudly.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 30, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this
Sunshine, I do fear Palin as a vice president and potential president. So should any American with an IQ over 90.
But do I fear Palin as a candidate? Eh, not so much.
By Tell It Like It Is
September 30, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
I would bet that every congressman except the black caucus and hispanic members(republicans and democrats)got something directly or indirectly from the financial lobbyist. Obama and McCain got something also. Its called capitalistic politics and it is as American as apple pie. This whole thing can be resolved as long as credit is not frozen.
Hey, does anyone remember the 80’s when interest rates approached 20%. Banks were failing all over the place. We survived that and we will survive this also.
By sunshine and thunder
September 30, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this
JAY
You wrote:
Sunshine, I do fear Palin as a vice president and potential president. So should any American with an IQ over 90.
But do I fear Palin as a candidate? Eh, not so much.
Huh?
I have no idea what your post means. It doesn’t make sense.
Why should anyone fear Palin as a pres or VP?
In terms of experience, what’s the difference between her and Bill Clinton when he was elected? (From what I remember, you carried his water all day long.)
The only candidate in this election with limited experience is Barack Obama. Period.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 30, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
Oh, and RB?
The other night Obama put his foreign policy expertise up against that of John McCain for the American people to judge, and every poll I’ve seen says that voters found Obama more knowledgeable and intelligent.
I’ll defer to the judgment of the people.
By Tell It Like It Is
September 30, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
RB of Gwinnett,
Obama needs no foreign policy experience. All he has to do is listen to all the experts like yourself. And then he can always listen to Ms. Sarah who can look at Russia on a clear day through her lendscrater glasses.
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this
Jay,
I’ll take Obama’s reasoned approach to foreign policy over McCain’s mavericky style any day. Also, please don’t be too hard on Sarah. With a few years of practice, she may yet make a suitable stand-in for Tina.
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
No Jay, Obama put up what he learned from his handlers. That doesn’t qualify as EXPERIENCE. You’re the one who made the claim Palin doesn’t have the foreign policy EXPERIENCE. Please show evidence where Obama has one shred more foreign policy experience than Palin. Evidence, Jay, not your biased opinions. You do know what facts are being the “journalist worth his/her salt” don’t you?
BTW, my 9th grader was rattling off the capitols of all the south american countries over dinner last night. She did quite well. By Jay’s standard, she’s experienced in foreign policy.
Bring the goods you hack!
By RB from Gwinnett
September 30, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
By Taxpayer 9:56 PM
Typical liberal. Can’t debate on facts or issues, so you call people names. Be sure and post again sometime if you ever have anything useful to say.
By Taxpayer
September 30, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
RB from Gwinnett,
Let’s review, shall we, since you seem to be suffering from some peculiar form of Ultra short time span ADD. You started off with the name calling and use of non-factual information (also known as lies) about me in the following post:
By RB from Gwinnett 9:15 PM ” They have their cash stashed away from years and years of pillaging of the average wage earner, investor, retiree” Spoken from the mouth of a person who never has and never will have the courage to hang a shingle with the dream of making something of themselves; to throw caution to the wind and give 80 hrs a week for the hope of making something from nothing. This is the dunce segment of our society who thinks all rich people were “fortunate” and not that they worked their a@@es off to get where they are. They can be found in Webster’s under the entry of “Loser = Noun”.
I responded to your crap with a relatively mild retort, in comparison, and then you dumped the following crap:
By RB from Gwinnett @ 10:40 PM By Taxpayer 9:56 PM Typical liberal. Can’t debate on facts or issues, so you call people names. Be sure and post again sometime if you ever have anything useful to say
Now, please feel free to explain your meaning with these claims of name calling and my inability to debate facts or issues. Go for it.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 5:40 AM | Link to this
RW: Last week, I didn’t think it was gonna happen. As far as your predictions, I don’t think that will happen either.
Play ball!
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Kookman: You of all people should know how much journalists tend to exaggerate, get overly dramatic and stretch the truth out needle thin, do you really think whomever meant that reporters were literally in the dumpster?
That letter is written in classic pinkkko Urinalist speech.
By AJC/DNC Management
October 1, 2008 5:46 AM | Link to this
After months of calling her an idiot and a stump jumper, now, all of a sudden, she’s Reagan Part Duex:
THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE: Palin: ‘A Reagan-like ability’ Governor didn’t like to focus for long on research, but had talent for crystallizing issues, connecting with audience, ex-staff say.-Urinal/DNC
Must be a debate rapidly approaching where the democrat/ media vice presidential candidate has a chance of getting mangled, by himself.
We don’t want to surprise the debate audience, now do we?