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DEL.ICIO.USEarly polls both say Obama won
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
So far we’ve got two polls reporting reaction to Friday night’s debate, one from CBS and one from CNN. Both show a pretty substandial advantage for Obama.
In the CBS poll of supposedly uncommitted voters, “Thirty-nine percent … said Obama won the debate. Twenty-four percent said McCain won, and another 37 percent thought it was a tie.
In the CNN poll, “Barack Obama came out on top, but there was overwhelming agreement that both Obama and John McCain would be able to handle the job of president if elected…..
“The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans.
Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Obama did the better job in Friday night’s debate, while 38 percent said John McCain did better.”
At the very least, those results suggest that McCain didn’t come close to achieving the so-called “game-changing” results he needed.
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By getalife
September 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
But Andy post the Drudge poll and McCain won.
I kept hearing lobbyists are the problem but did not hear they would do anything about them.
Until then, we lose. Did they pass the bailout yet?
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
In one poll 39% said Obambi won and 61% said he didn’t. In the other it was an admittedly worthless sample.
How does that suggest anything and who said McCain needed a “game-changing” debate performance? This race has been a virtual tie all along and I don’t see anything changing that.
My early prediction is that this race is down to Virginia. I could certainly be wrong, but my early prediction in 2004 was Ohio and my early prediction in 2000 was Florida.
By Davo
September 27, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
What is with McCain and the ‘avoid eye contact at all cost’ pose? Kinda creeped me out; I figured at some point he’s gotta look Obama in the eye…but No! How do you claim to be a reformer and a uniter and still not look your opponant in the eye?
Or how about even return a simple compliment? To his detriment, imho, Obama repeatedly said he ‘agreed with John’ over a variety of the issues discussed. Yet McCain said nothing to acknowledge Obamas compliments or credibility. I know its politics and it can be ugly but c’mon man…at least show your opponant and the people watching you that your capable of common courtesy.
By GOPs got to go
September 27, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
“RW” is a regular Carnac the Magnificent
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Obama has been inching up in the Virginia polls. He’s going to inch up in all the battleground states.
I thought the debate was pretty boring last night. Both candidates missed opportunities to pounce, but didn’t. Maybe they will in the next two. Last night was McCain’s debate to shine, and he didn’t, that was his last chance to rise in the polls, and he missed it.
Has he un-suspended his campaign yet? What a joke.
By Sten
September 27, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
McCain just kept saying “he doesn’t understand” which seemed patronizing both to Obama and to the people watching the debate…. I think Obama understands just fine, he just doesn’t agree with McCain.
Obama refrained from questioning McCain’s intelligence or his patriotism or from throwing mud. McCain’s campaign has been doing plenty of that. Frankly McCain who was once Mr. Straight-talk, is now Mr. Sling-mud and be nasty. Not very presidential.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
GOPS got to go,
I think it’s easy to say what you thought in hindsight, but I think RW is right, but I wouldn’t count out Florida as key in this election. The way the polls are inching around in the battleground states, Obama has pulled away in Colorado, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but for the first time that I’ve noticed, VA is now in Obama’s favor (in the slightest %-a couple days ago, McCain was up by 0.8% - today it’s 1.8 - according to Real Clear Politics), but he’s moving up in VA and FL, I think he’ll eventually pull away in those states, probably next week.
But what do I know? I was convinced that Kerry was going to win in a landslide in 2004! I’m looking at the election a lot more realistically this time!
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
When reality starts to set in these poll numbers could change. For instance
Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”
That also means Sarah Palin was right, despite the snarky little remark Katie Couric made at the end of the interview the other night.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Sten,
That’s a usual neo-con response, you see it here on this blog “You just don’t get it do you?”
Yeah, I get it, number one anyone who’d use such a phrase to describe someone is an idiot because they don’t have the cognitive abilities to understand that what they think is opinion, and in most situations it’s a case of a simple disagreement in philosophy.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
They could run Larry Craig and it would still be close. Our country is still divided along ideological and cultural lines that President Clinton explained best.
He thinks Obama will win but it will be close.
By The Verdict
September 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Class beats Crass.
Obama ‘08
By Clyde Nugget
September 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
How very intelligent for you to proclaim Obama as victor by two BIAS ULTRA LIBERAL SOURCES. I would expect CNN abd CBS to continue calling people until they got it correct by THEIR standards, an Obama victory.
My husband and I for one refuse to do any polls; they are inaccurate and bias, just like the media. Several friends and family members refused to watch the debates last night because they did not want to hear views of the leftist media. They are all in bed with Obama and some have already married him.
I did watch the debate on PBS, only the debate, and McCain did extremely well, answering the questions very intelligently and showed that he is ready to lead the country and be a commander in chief.
God watch over America if Obama gets in. He knows nothing about foreign policy and the military. He was nervous last night and his arrogance showed as he interrupted McCann numerous times while McCann was speaking. He showed the nation that he believes he is smarter, knows it all, and will not listen to advisers if elected, esp. the generals and chiefs of staff. He is a fake.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
GOP’s got to go doesn’t know me, but you and I have been conversing for a long time. We don’t agree on much, but I think I know you well enough to trust that if you told me you had said something in advance of it happening I would take you at your word. I also believe I’ve earned that level of respect from you and my 2000 and 2004 predictions were both made in advance of those elections. I certainly didn’t predict just how close Florida would be in 2000 though.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
RW,
I guess that is spin
Its on video.
By Just a Girl
September 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
It is obvious to the rest of the world that Obama should be the next President of the United States. The hope is that the good people of the US can see these as well. McCain acts like a 10-year old on a playground who resorts to name-calling, snickering, mud-slinging and belittling…no exactly characteristics that are gooing to be accepted by other world leaders.
By ny83
September 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Davo…I don’t think Obama was being complementary when he repeatedly said “McCain is right”. It was an admission that McCain knows alot more about foreign policy than he does.
But guys…keep drinking the punch. I guess the Obama campaign realizes if they drive the “Change we can believe in” slogan into your heads enough times, it’ll stick.
By GAexpat
September 27, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
I agree with others McCain’s condescending manner and refusal to look Obama in the eye does not reflect well on McCain. His hardcore supporters will love to see him rude and mean to Obama. But what McCain “does not understand” to use his own phrase: he’s not running to get his own supporter’s votes right now. His manner turns off younger, moderate Republicans, the Independents and the conservative Reagan Democrats. None of my under-40 Republican socially moderate friends are voting for him. Imagine our President trying to negotiate peace with an enemy who is a threat to our country, and being mean, rude and condescending to that person. McCain always references Reagan. Well, Reagan charmed Russian leaders. McCain isn’t the type to charm anybody. He has a bad temper, all of DC knows it and worries about it, including his own party. Last night we got a glimpse of his approach to diplomacy and “bridging gaps” as he claims he can do. Not pretty and not working.
By COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret]
September 27, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
Bipartisanship and ? Maverick McCain.
Dear concerned citizens of America and Mass Media of the U.S.A. As a concerned registered independent voter, forensic psychiatrist, disabled American I made my decision to vote after taking into consideration following joint tickets attributes and characteristics.
Yours sincerely,
COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] MD. Forensic psychiatrist, Disabled American Veteran and Iraq Freedom team. Grass roots California leader per Senator McCain’s
PS: It is sad and unfortunate that Hon, Temperamental and angry Maverick McCain had a constant grin and disdain towards his debater.
By TW
September 27, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
Clyde ‘Butt’ Nugget @12:41 -
That’s President Obama to you, sweetheart :)
By GAexpat
September 27, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
I don’t want to post this twice but I’m having problems and have to keep trying.
I agree with others McCain’s condescending manner and refusal to look Obama in the eye does not reflect well on McCain. His hardcore supporters will love to see him rude and mean to Obama. But what McCain “does not understand” to use his own phrase: he’s not running to get his own supporter’s votes right now. His manner turns off younger, moderate Republicans, the Independents and the conservative Reagan Democrats. None of my under-40 Republican socially moderate friends are voting for him. Imagine our President trying to negotiate peace with an enemy who is a threat to our country, and being mean, rude and condescending to that person. McCain always references Reagan. Well, Reagan charmed Russian leaders. McCain isn’t the type to charm anybody. He has a bad temper, all of DC knows it and worries about it, including his own party. Last night we got a glimpse of his approach to diplomacy and “bridging gaps” as he claims he can do. Not pretty and not working.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
RW,
I believe you and yes, I do respect that you know enough about politics to have predicted that. Sorry if you took that the wrong way.
Like I said, what do I know? I was convinced and absolutely dumbstruck when Kerry lost.
I’ve become a lot less idealistic the past four years.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
getalife,
There’s a world of difference between having talks with Iran and holding a summit without preconditions at the Presidential level.
Here’s the first iteration of The Dunce Doctrine:
QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since.
In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?
COOPER: I should also point out that Stephen is in the crowd tonight.
Senator Obama?
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous
That is five rogue nations to meet with without preconditions in the first year at the Presidential level.
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
Obama was stepping all over himself last night. McCain didn’t look at him because without an audience, even one, Obama is a nobody. He needs attention and McCain didn’t think he was worth being attentive. Obama had ZERO substance on foreign affairs. McCain was rattling off names like flipping on a switch. When it came to economic issues I’d say Obama had a very small, if any, advantage. As you can see without reaching consensus you can’t achieve nothing, meaning congress. Realize this….Barney “fat” Frank who needs a make over and Pelosi, couldn’t get over themselves on the 700 Billion issue. In front of the camera IN PUBLIC saying time and again…”principles” are worked out so why is McCain here. Guess what! They had NOTHING AGREED so WHO wanted to look good? Democrats own Congress and could push this through without GOP backing! Why? Because they don’t want to look stupid and will be ran out of Washington. The people in America HATE this bail out and democrats NEED the GOP so everyone goes down if it fails. What it comes down to is that McCain beat Obama and never let him off the ropes. McCain won because of the issues on foreign affairs. Those that fink Obama won were basically already leaning Obama so who’s kidding who.
By Felix
September 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Certainly either would be an improvement on what we have. Obama won, but only slightly. He has better advisors and has listened to them. McCain thinks he knows it all from his many junkets, but only sees what the Pentagon and state department want him to. He mischaracterized many of Obama’s positions which are very complex and nuanced. I think McCain realizes Palin is failin’ and is trying to keep the focus on his sideshow and off the issues.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
California Mark,
You lost your credibility when you called Obama a “nobody.”
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
What I’d like to know is what job Obama would start going for the day after his inauguration should he win.
He started running for a US House seat during his first term as a State Senator and started running for President as soon as he got elected to the US Senate, There’s nothing wrong with being ambitious but I’m afraid this guy is a perpetual job seeker and not so much of a job performer.
Bosch,
Did the general store ever reopen? Pretend I didn’t ask that if it was somebody else that said that happened.
By Domingo Tavella
September 27, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Obama clearly displayed far superior intelligence as well as the calm, measured demeanor of a statesman.
This no doubt will enrage the many millions of uneducated white racists who will decide the outcome in November.
Paradoxically, therefore, Obama’s marginally superior performance will play to McCain’s advantage by energizing his base.
By Mrs.Godzilla
September 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
I’m proud to cast my vote for Barack Obama
Great job last night Senator!
Fired up!
Ready to go!
(also, everybody don’t forget to verify your voters registration)
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
RW,
What’s left after POTUS? Supreme ruler of the Universe?
About Kissinger, I read, at least I thought I did, that he agreed about negotiations with Iran.
The general store DID open back up - it was closed for five days because Floyd didn’t have any gas. I’m really glad because I was missing my catfish sushi.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Oh good, thanks for letting us know that the See B.S. audience was delighted by all of the fever swamp talking points that Oblahma regurgitated on cue.
They all must be absolutely thrilled to hear an almost perfect moonbat recital, America sucks, Blah Has Been Laden Blah, “We must sit down with the terrorists and find out what they want, like they haven’t already made that perfectly freaking clear for us already, duh.”
Moron diplomacy.
Do tell us sycophants, will the world be all sweetness and light if we find Bin Laden?
By janet pinkerton
September 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
I only wish McCain had said to Obama: “You and your so-called ‘standing’ in the world. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us? We were the ones attacked on 911 — we’re the ones who have had to live through hell — and we’re the ones who are entering into an entirely new kind of hell with the economy the way it is thanks to not one dude on either side saying squat to the people …
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
“Mishcarcterized”!!!!!! Obama and especially Pelosi said NO to offshore drilling time and again. Obama is against Nuclear power and that’s well known, He was against the surge and can’t admit it because the left will dump Obama. Hillary said Obama isn’t ready to lead or answer the phone at 3 am. Bill dissed him & Biden! said it’s not a LEARN on the JOB training! Obama “didn’t get it” with Kissinger 110% Obama is a bookworm and has terrible character issues and because of his past so-called friends. McCain pounced on him about earmarks as McCain said Obama only saw the light because he was running for office! He’s all textbook…ZERO EXPERIENCE. Once Obama loses and goes back to the senate he’ll just start the earmark sucking sound again. Biden can’t PAY anyone to show up for his rallies…he’s dissing his own boss! Palin generates crowds of 10-12 THOUSAND. Listen…polls don’t mean crap, It’s all electoral numbers that matters. Usual democrat states are in BIG trouble for Obama. He lost big time to Hillary in the same states…why? we all know that the black vote wasn’t the majority and that’s why Obama won big over Hillary. Well that was Bill’s undoing in N.C which will go GOP anyway.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Hey Mrs. G -
Enjoying your Saturday? I’ve been a complete bum this morning. Haven’t done a thing - well, unless you count blogging a little as something. I also cut up some celery, I’m slowly but surely coming around.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
He just seems to want a new job the second he gets one. For a Marxist like Obama he probably thinks Grand Poohbah at the UN is a far larger office than POTUS.
As I told getalife, talks and Presidential summits are far different. The talks are what set the preconditions that Obama says we don’t need.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
janet,
That’s typical American-ethnocentricity. We are not the only ones who’ve been attacked in the history of the world, and responses like that and attitudes like that are precisely why most people in the world hate us.
Believe it or not, our standing on a global scale is very important. Although I do think we need to bring it all home and re-group, our perception to the rest of the population is not only important, but vital to our continued success.
Not sure though, it’s hard to read nuances in print sometimes, do you mean that you’d wish McCain had said that to further place his foot in mouth?
I cringed when he started referring to rogue nations as “the bad guys.” Good God, this isn’t middle school.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
California Mark,
You show your ignorance when you say that typical Democratic states are in big trouble for Obama - he is ahead in every state that Kerry won, plus he’s taken about four or five from those that Bush won.
Read a little, it’s fun!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
RW,
Come on now, that business is all semantics. I think everyone gets what Obama is talking about.
Grand Poohbah would be a cool job - with a very cool hat.
By I count
September 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
I changed my vote to Obama. For the first time I will be voting Democratic rather than rather than Republican. I am a 50 year old white woman and I admit I was not considering voting for Mr. Obama, the main reason being I could not imagine voting for a black man. However, after watching the conventions I realized the crowd looked more diverse like Amercia, my workplace and my neighborhood. Then I started noticing and seeing another thing to be true and that is black people have to try twice as hard just to convience people that they are at least half as good as a white person. And if they arise and do well we consider them elitist. When Obama choose Biden as his running mate we (yes me too) said he only chose him because he was weak in foreign policy.?? isn’t that what he should have done. When McCain choose Palin we ( yes me too) thought that was the greatest thing, never mind she had no real experience either and truthfully brought a lot of excitement to the party but also brought some unnecessary drama. If you close your eyes, forget about the color of the person or the party that you have allegiance too, you might just see what I have seen.. Our country is due for Change and we need to gain our Respect that. I believe Obama/ Biden can do that. Last night’s debate proved that.. McCain seemed so indifferent to his opponent and I really did not like what appeared to be belittlement when he kept saying “you don’t understand” he also appeared evil and mad. I am glad I had the chance to see the both of these candidates together. A month ago I would have voted McCain but now I know Obama is the one.
By Maxt
September 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
Neither side scored a touchdown, nor did either side fumble the ball in their own endzone.
Obama definately did seem more presidential. His attempt to find common ground makes me think that he would do a better job of working across the aisle. The ability to obtain concensus will be of vital importance in dealing with the economic crisis.
By the way, I noticed that McCain got another collegen injection on his cancer scar so it does not show up as much. Compare his picture from last night to one from a week ago. The biggest “secret” of the campaign is that the sad truth is that he is unlikly to survive the next four years.
I don’t know about you, ubt the term President Palin scares the heck our of me!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
I count,
Wow, at least you’re honest.
I think what getalife said earlier is right on - the GOP could run Larry Craig, Tom Delay, Mark Foley, or hell, even Jack Abramhoff, and it’s still be a 50/50 race.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
RW,
Hillary caused him to change his position.
“[A]s president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing if and only if it can advance the interest of the United States. That is my position. I want to be absolutely clear.”
Obama did not attack McCain’s changing of positions (flip flops) but he will.
The forum with Kissenger was very informative and yes they all agreed with Obama’s positions.
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
And what good is that. If you consider the CLOSENESS of Ohio & Philly where Obama should be out by 10 pts THAT is a trouble waiting to happen. Obama isn’t that far ahead in NY! These states are TYPICAL Democrats. If you think Kerry was a leader that shows how little you understand. Kerry is a typical GOP and is worth several MILLION. Basically Kerry is a nobody now and by all rights has faded away. He came out backing Obama! Did nothing. Kennedy did the same….did nothing. Edwards backed Obama….BIG NOTHING. Hell even Gore did nothing for Obama. Listen the fact that Hillary, Bill & Biden ALL dissed Obama and now they think the world of him and is ready to lead makes me worry that all they care about is the party and themselves. This is what’s the problem with congress they ALL care about their own careers instead of what’s right.
By Munk
September 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Both men were good. the difference was that Mr. Obam showed a lot of class in making his points, Mr. McCaine showed a lot of anger and appeared condescending even though Mr. Obma comes across as being more intelligent. I am leaning Obama.
By Nell
September 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
You say - Palin generates crowds of 10-12 THOUSAND. I guess some republicans are curious to know who this person is that McMaverick had never met and they had never heard of before 3 weeks ago. It doesn’t matter, it won’t help them to win.
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Obama definately did seem more presidential. His attempt to find common ground makes me think that he would do a better job of working across the aisle. The ability to obtain concensus will be of vital importance in dealing with the economic crisis.
Are you nuts..That remark is so mindless I can’t wait to see what else you write. Did you know that 97% of the time Obama has voted democrat. He’s also widely known to be liberal and so far left that no one can reach HIM…let alone you think he’ll obtain consensus
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
I must have not been watching the same debate as the one where people think McCain won. Clearly the one I watched showed Obama as ‘commanding’ and in control which is what I want in a president. There has been a paradigm shift in that the American people no longer want a president that you want to drink beer with. No, we need a president that is large and in charge. McCain comes across a petty and small, grumpy and constipated. McCain was just merely regurgitating GOP talking points whereas Obama was actually debating in the formal sense. McCain clearly did not want to be there. And the so called ‘straight talker’ could not even look his opponent “straight in the eye”. When someone keeps looking down and will not look you in the eye when they are talking, that usually is the classic sign that that person is lying. That’s harsh but it is what it is. Remember, HOPE is a good thing, maybe the best of things and a good thing never dies. (Quote from the movie: The Shawshank Redemption)
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Obama definately did seem more presidential. His attempt to find common ground makes me think that he would do a better job of working across the aisle. The ability to obtain concensus will be of vital importance in dealing with the economic crisis.
Are you nuts..That remark is so mindless I can’t wait to see what else you write. Did you know that 97% of the time Obama has voted democrat. He’s also widely known to be liberal and so far left that no one can reach HIM…let alone you think he’ll obtain consensus
How about Obama’s remark about people who fall back on guns and religion! That p** me off and it shows how backstabbing Obama can be…damn elitist. I guess he doesn’t know that the RIGHT TO BARE ARMS is part of OUR constitution.
By hellme
September 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
McCain is so arrogant and rude. Why was he so scared to look into his opponent eyes? This guy is a bullying used car salesman not a statesman.
He was too cocky and we dont need a man who is so out of touch with the world.God forbid should he won the presidency, we will have another dictator far worst than Bush.
By Alicia
September 27, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Did anyone other than myself notice that the news of McCain suspending his campaign took the focus off of his Campaign Manager getting payouts from Frannie Mae or Freddie Mac not sure which one. But McCains latest tactic took that out of the news— We all need to pay attention to the games that are being played.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
California Mark,
McCain will probably win Ohio. Look at the polls in the other battleground states. It doesn’t matter how FAR out in numbers Obama is, it only matters that he wins those states, which he is doing right now. He was down by almost a point in VA a couple days ago, and now he’s ahead - as another blogger said last week, he’d almost written off FL, but he’s only down by a couple points there as well, again, he’s inching up and up - McCain is inching down and down.
Pennsylvania is Obama’s - look at any electoral map right now - it’s blue.
The rest of your rant? Not quite sure what that has to do with anything except to vent it all out — that’s a good thing for your blood pressure.
You obviously don’t know me very well, because you know I don’t give much credence to those who write things like “if you think” — making tired old stereotypical assumptions about people shows your lack of reason.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
That is my position. I want to be absolutely clear.
getalife,
When a politician ends with that phrase you know you’ve just listened to some major league horsebleep.
Speaking of horsebleep, how long before JayB is going to jump on the left wing loon train and accuse McMaverick of saying that during the debate last night?
By jrr
September 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
first in his class at Harvard, taught constitutional law for twelve years, state senator for eight years, U.S. senator for four years, there is no way you can stack up McSame to senator Obama. McSame was sixth from the bottom in his class at the Naval Academy . Have any of you McSame backers seen the Palin Couric interview? My God people!! Wake up!!!
By alan
September 27, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
I decided on Obama after how I saw him compose himself in very tense and difficult situations throughout the campaign. How he even handled the bullying Bill O’reilly was even more convincing.
Last night, Obama was tough but calm, thoughtful, graceful, and not aggressive. McCain on the other hand, looked more angry and really took some unwarranted cheap shots with words like “naivette”, etc. Couldn’t even make eye contact… When you do that you don’t come across as presidential…Well maybe in Alabama and Mississippi..
alan
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Alicia,
No, I noticed that too. How convenient for him, huh?
California Mark,
Why did that God and gun remark p** you off? What do religious people do in times of crisis? They pray. Gun owners usually cite as a reason for having a gun to use for protection in the case of a crisis.
If McCain or Palin had said it, you’d be yelling “Hell yeah!”
Come on, be honest.
And what exactly does it mean that he is widely known to be a liberal? What does that mean?
By Van
September 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
define elite— upper class— who walked on stage last night with a diamond pin on that probly cost more than my mortgage payment.. elite— who has 12-13 cars as opposed to one ( you can only drive one at a time) who has 7-8 houses as opposed to most of us that only have one ( you can only only live in one at a time) who has several millions as opposed to some one who just made a million and JUST paid off student loans from the sale of a book. Just because a person is educated does not make them an elitist. IF that were the case a lot of us would be disconnected. Truth is ” In sociology as in general usage, the élite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, which enjoys a privileged status envied by individuals of lower social status.” Most of us with our education and job status are not elite and I still do not see how Obama is seen that way. McCain on the other hand would fit that but we dare not say that because he is a “war hero”. Never mind that a lot of the previleges he has we never will.
*Point for thought.. who really cares about Americans— who voted against the minimum wage not once but 7 times …. that is a person that is out of touch
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
The newest McCain ad
Obama actually said McCain was right nine times during the debate last night so look for more ads since they could only squeeze three into this one.
By Chad V.
September 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
McCain looked like a grumpy old 72 year old, trying to tread water. Certainly not the demeanor of a statesman. As others have pointed out, when you can’t meet your opponent half way across the stage and look him in the eye, then you are a poor representation of this country. I can’t imagine McCain increasing the value of our foreign policy or relationships. Then of course, if he passes away, which he wasn’t looking all that great last night, we have Sara Palin, who has interviewed a total of 3 times (Biden has interviewed 76 times), two of which have been complete disasters, especially with Katie Couric. I guess when you remove the makeup and forget what she looks like, there’s just not that much substance there and she will be a death sentence to the McCain candidacy.
I’m not sure why Obama didn’t pound McCain more on his flip flopping and lack of knowledge about the economy. In the words of Matt Lower from the Today Show speaking about McCain and what he said about our economy. He asked “How do you go from the economy being fundamentally strong to being on the verge of a Depression in just 10 days?” This sums McCain up very well and his lack of understanding today’s hardships.
By hellme
September 27, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
ONLY A LIAR WILL NOT LOOK AT YOU WHILE TALKING
WHO
MCCAIN, THE GRUMPY OLD MAN
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
To me…when a person fumbles words consistently can’t get his message across because he’s not comfortable. Palin is generating excitement where Obama used to. No longer the main attraction the dems need to pounce on her. It’s been over a year and STILL many don’t know Obama…so who has an issue. Look at past debates and you’ll see that there’s always ONE that doesn’t look at the other. Reagan did it and look what happened. Obama is young and the young move towards him. He speaks well but that’s all substance as anyone else can do with time. He’s got NO EXPERIENCE to trust. He’s reference to guns and religion bothers me and shows how backstabbing he can be. Obama doesn’t seem to know that ALL Americans have the right to bare arms. Have you heard that Obama’s camp wants to take those ads off the TV in Philly & Ohio! Talk about suppressing freedom of the press.
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
To me…when a person fumbles words consistently can’t get his message across because he’s not comfortable. Palin is generating excitement where Obama used to. No longer the main attraction the dems need to pounce on her. It’s been over a year and STILL many don’t know Obama…so who has an issue. Look at past debates and you’ll see that there’s always ONE that doesn’t look at the other. Reagan did it and look what happened. Obama is young and the young move towards him. He speaks well but that’s all substance as anyone else can do with time. He’s got NO EXPERIENCE to trust. He’s reference to guns and religion bothers me and shows how backstabbing he can be. Obama doesn’t seem to know that ALL Americans have the right to bare arms. Have you heard that Obama’s camp wants to take those ads off the TV in Philly & Ohio! Talk about suppressing freedom of the press.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
RW,
Looking at the fact checks of the debate, he did say it twice without precondition when Hillary nailed him on it.
If you judge this debate by getting the facts wrong, McCain was the clear winner.
Was Pakistan a failed State?
Anyhoo, it is sad that Palin was not allowed to spin the debate and that judgement he used to pick her was horrible.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
RW,
Going back to Iran, do you think it’s a good idea to keep on with the status quo policies of dismissing them?
Do you think it’s a good idea for a man who may potentially become POTUS to refer to them as “bad guys?”
I’m sure you know about this more than I do, but why can’t Iran have a nuclear weapon? More specifically, why can one country have this capability while others can’t? Does the UN make these decision? I remember when Pakistan was developing their nuclear program, and there was a lot of screaming, but there was nothing that could stop them.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
McCain is a war hero, OK, we get it. But that does not automatically qualify a person to be ‘Commander in Chief” for crying out loud. I mean look at it another way, He was locked up and tortured in a bamboo cage for years? What did that do to his mind? He is not right in head. He is arrogant and hot headed and that is the polar opposite of what we need at this time in our country’s history. No, again, we need a president that is in control. In control of the facts as well as his faculties. Not some angry right wing SOB that need a healthy bowel movement.
“No Way, No How, No McCain” The Way and the how: Showbama!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
California Mark,
Is it possible for you to stay on topic - Is it possible for you to answer a question? Or do you just revel in spewing typical wingnut hyperbole?
I’d really like to know so I can decide whether or not to continue with this.
Have you ever visited this blog before? Just so you know, the topics you are bringing up were dismissed months ago.
By Slick
September 27, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
I thought Obama was clearly the winner last night. He showed intelligence, knowledge, and class. He certainly presented as more presidential than Dunce McCain, who came across as a grumpy, angry, narrow minded OLD man who constantly repeated lines from his former speeches. I guess they are all that he knows - talking points written by his minions for him to recite.
The performance last night proved my conclusion that Intelligence wins over Stupidity, i.e. Obama wins over McCain.
And that conclusion extends to Biden wins over Palin - more Intelligence and more Stupidity!!
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
If had the brains and smarts to READ….our economy IS fundamentally strong otherwise the GDP would be minus where in fact it’s growing at 2.8% If you LISTENED to Obama time and time again you’d hear that we’re in a recession over and over, but LAST NIGHT he backed off that remark. Why? Because then it’d be considered a scare tactic and McCain would’ve pounced. It’s still in question about the recession as many argue. If not for the BANKS and financial mess our economy wouldn’t be where it is. CREDIT is messed up due to the housing sector and mortgages but FUNDAMENTALLY, Americans are still out there spending just not as much because of the psyche of not knowing where housing is going. It’s just like a democrat to say our economy is in recession because it’s a scare tactic and if you say THAT enough people will be convinced it just may be. McCain doesn’t want that approach. He says our workers are the best, the most advanced, the most developed and we need TAXES to stay low…not raise them like Obama….BAD FOR BUSINESS…BAD FOR AMERICA!
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
It’s funny how you can read this blog and see what talking points went out. Couldn’t some of you moonbat(ic)s® at least try to mix up the script a little?
McCain was angry and wouldn’t look The Dunce in the eye so I’m now a Republican leaning Independent that’s going to vote for Obambi.
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This transcript is fun to read through
OBAMA: I’ve got to make this point, Jim.
LEHRER: OK.
OBAMA: He objects…
MCCAIN: I have voted for alternate fuel all of my time…
OBAMA: He — he — he objects…
LEHRER: One at a time, please.
OBAMA: He objected…[Waaa]
The part just above that exchange is where McCain cleaned Obama’s clock. Starting with this.
LEHRER: Two minutes on Russia, Senator McCain.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
California Mark,
And just so you know, not all Americans have the right to bare arms.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
By hellme September 27, 2008 1:51 PM McCain is so arrogant and rude. Why was he so scared to look into his opponent eyes? This guy is a bullying used car salesman not a statesman.
I suspect we have a lot of messages from the same IP again, it may even be the same IP as where the topic came from, as they all spout the exact same lie.
Seminar bloggers, hehehehe.
Oblahma disrespectfully cut off McCain at least 4 times that I can remember and the only time McCain got mad was when Heap Big Chief Dimwit was dissing America, no wonder you libs are so surprised, someone actually coming to the defense of the greatest nation in the world. What was the pinkkko nation expecting, perhaps John foaming about “evil” America right along with the dimwit? Let’s just say y’all are baffled by it and we’ll leave it at that, k?
I forgot one very important regurgitated talking point, probably the most important, and that is “Iraq is a failure.”
So what does everyone think barry would do on his very first day in the White House, maybe go to work saving face by making Iraq a real honest to God failure?
All that blood and treasure for absolutely nothing, well, except for a stunning victory for al Qaeda.
That would be nice, wouldn’t it?
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Never been to this blog before, just today. But as of 2:21PM EST all the polls on the news channels show Obama won the debate. McCain didn’t lose disgracefully but let’s face it my friends, ole dude lost.
By roger
September 27, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
Does the right to Bare arms mean we can all wear short sleeved T-shirts?
By roger
September 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Does the right to Bare arms mean we can all wear short sleeved T-shirts? And I’m shocked that 97% of the team he has voted Democrat. What are the Democrats coming to?
By roger
September 27, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Does the right to Bare arms mean we can all wear short sleeved T-shirts? And I’m shocked that 97% of the team he has voted Democrat. What are the Democrats coming to?
By Icount
September 27, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
People that really want to know about any of the candidates can do research, As far as Palin generating excitement, that true because NOBODY knows her, until she speaks. Not a good move for McCain to choose her, she generated excitement and to be honest now that I think about it her being selected was just a game plan to hopefully win the election Sen McCain did not put Country First. This race is about Change and moving our country forward not to select someone that can bring excitement and more drama to the country. She may be smart and I am sure she is but I don’t see how she brings Respect and back to our country. As a woman I would be very concerned for her to be head of this country. That is a scarey thought. We have fought so hard for the rights that we as women have and to elect someone that does not herself respect womens right to choose or equal pay for women is a step in wrong direction.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
At least twice after sharp attacks by McCain, Obama seemed to look to moderator Jim Lehrer for help, saying to Lehrer, “Let’s move on.”-Roger Simon, Politico
Not only that, there was one McCain reply that was so strong, crisp and forceful that it caused Lehrer to babble for a few moments, caught him off guard, nobody expected such a truly powerful statement coming like that. He blew them away.
By rrow
September 27, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Jay, typical of the biased media, you neglect to mention, the majority of the people in the polls you are citing were democrats. CNN states this. A more true reflection of the “winner” might be to combine all the polls, including FOX, which shows McCain winning - 87% to 23%.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Maybe that decision falls under the auspices of the Grand Poohbah. No wonder Obama wants that job.
I really think that legitimizing the current leadership of Iran does a tremendous disservice to their populace which is far more pro western than most of the middle east. Start having Presidential talks with their current leadership and you undercut any possibility of a “Velvet Revolution.”
Don’t be too surprised if the Iran nuclear facilities become Israel Air Force target practice shortly after November 4th if Obama gets elected. Maybe even if McCain does.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Tom WV,
Welcome to the blog.
Icount,
I agree. Palin’s ideas set back women’s rights about 100 years. I don’t know, call me crazy, but I like women and think they should be heard, not just seen.
By TW
September 27, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
including FOX, which shows McCain winning - 87% to 23%.
Now there’s crebility for a poll. You are 110% correct, sir.
Grounds for media impeachment, wouldn’t ya say?
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
rrow,
Did you read all of Jay’s column? Or do you just have reading comprehension problems?
Go back up ^^^^^^ and read the fourth paragraph.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
not all Americans have the right to bare arms
Muslim-American women?
To paraphrase the Far Side, if we have the right to bear arms we should be able to arm bears.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Golly gee I didn’t realize Fixed News came out with a balnd and balanced poll of their own. If they show McCain won, well then, there you have it. I guess the discussion is over. The fact is that Democrats out number Republicans and further, more Democrats watched the debates than Republicans. Simple statistcal modeling. It begs the question: Why did more Democrats watch the debate? Answer: A marked Paridigm shift in our collective thinking. Aremica has Bush Fatigue and we are starving for some common sense change. How could McCain look Putin in the eyes and see K G B when he can’t even look into his American opponent in the eye on American soil? McCain is so last Century and we need change. Remember, HOPE is a good thing, maybe the best of things and a good thing never dies. (Quote from the movie: The Shawshank Redemption)
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
RW,
Obama doesn’t want that job - interjecting much?
But seriously, who decides that? What can we do to stop them? Other than bombing or sanctions? Legally, don’t they have just as much right to nuclear weapons as any other country?
But referring to them as “bad guys?” That seems a little like middle school talk.
If Israel does decide to make such a terrible mistake, then God help them because I don’t think Allah will, and in my opinion, they should be on their own.
If that is the case, that most Iranians are pro-Western, and their leaders decide to use Israel or anyone else as target practice, I hope we see a revolution over there.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
RW,
Forgot something. Isn’t the present Iranian leadership legit? I know their current election process is questionable, but in my opinion, we can’t keep ignoring them.
Isn’t it up to the Iranian populace to elect officials who represent them, or up to them to put a stop to those who don’t?
One thing we do agree on - we shouldn’t be the world police anymore.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 27, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
I’ve checked for multiple posters from the same IP address, and have deleted four such comments.
And I just checked the Fox site and found no mention of their own poll. They report what I reported: Two polls so far, both favoring Obama.
By N-GA
September 27, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Kissinger never said anything about the level of discussions with Iran. He simply said that the US should talk with Iran with no preconditions. It’s now convenient for him to come out and “clarify” what hew said. He is desperate to think he still matters to the world.
Palin, of course, was clueless about what Kissinger said…and she even met with him. Now Kissinger is older than McCain and was completely outmaneuvered in his negotiations with Hanoi. He ended up agreeing to terms that were available a couple of years before. Instead, thousands of American troops died because of his intransigence, arrogance, and love for Nixon.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
The majority of Iranians are definitley Pro-American. Further the majority of Iranians are under 30 and they are crying out for freedom. Rable rousing and name calling will not help the situation out for that emerging country. We need diplomacy….badly. No way, no how…no McCain.
By AmVet
September 27, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Sen. McCain won points with the American people by saying we do not and will not condone torture. Unlike the neo-cons and their chicken hawk “leaders” in this administration.
Secret backroom energy deals.
Squashing any and all evidence contrary to their aims. From the lie-laden invasion/occupation to silencing man-induced climate change experts.
Trying to make a woman’s reproductive choices someone elses.
Being judge and jury in Gitmo and permanently imprisoning people without them having any chance EVER to defend themselves.
Illegally spying on American citizens.
Watering down habeus corpus.
Failing to believe that no one - not the President - is above the law.
Not since Nixon/Agnew has the nation been so legitimately distrustful regarding the integrity of these men in the White House.
That is a big part of the reason explaining why the neo-cons have already lost this election.
And the country is ecstatic…
BTW, IMHO, no way is Sen. Obama ready to occupy the West Wing. Maybe one day, but for now he is utterly unqualified.
By Decided
September 27, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Proposal: Your campaign is failing. You check with your “Rove” style campaign managers. They say you need to do something big to win. You ask your buddies in the current administration for help. Prez and company say, “Let’s make a deal for big bailouts a few weeks before the election. We get people to believe that the sky is falling and then start a general panic. One of two things happens: Congress hands us a big check right away for billions and we are sitting pretty. Or, even better, there’s a big fight, and you can lead out your congress to say ‘No, we can’t do that to our people.’ Then you get to be a big hero, and alienate yourself from us - like a maverick would!!”
You say, “Great idea!”
Problem unforeseen: Taxpayers say NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to anything at all until they understand exactly what has gone wrong, and what the terms of this bailout will be.
Uh oh. You realize that you have now compromised your congressional buddies in winning their elections in November.
Time for you to bailout, John.
(lack of respect INTENDED!)
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Jay,
WHAT? A wingnut making something up? I’m shocked.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
I was shocked to see a poll say that Obama won the debate. To me, he came across as over matched. Mc Cain was speaking of real things and real people and Obamo was repeating his campaign slogans. He is naive to the point of stupidity. He is planning to spend more money than any President or body of congress in the history of this nation and folks are too stupid to wonder where the money is going to come from. I am sick and damn tired of paying the amount of taxes I pay and this guy is telling me he is going to raise them even more? How much is enough? 40-50 percent? 60 percent of my income? I have a real problem with murder of unborn children, I understand to some of you it is not a child it is a choice, but I can’t think like that. To have a 7 month pregnancy and induce labor, then stick a needle in the kids head and give it drugs to stop the heart is not something I want to be part of. That is partial birth abortion. Obamo is for it. This guy is an empty suit who is telling everyone he is for the working guy. BS! I am a working guy and all I want the government to do is LEAVE ME ALONE! I don’t have a housing crisis because I did not buy a house that I can’t pay for. I actually pay the note each month. I do not have a health care crisis, I have health insurance. I have short and long term disability. Policies I bought on my OWN. I have a wife and children and it is MY responsibility to make sure they are clothed and fed and insured. I was born poor and one of 6 kids and I made a promise to myself that my kids were not going to be raised like I was. When I was growing up, there were no trips to the mall for school cloths, each fall I got 2 pair of jeans from sears and my big brothers shirts. BHO has convinced everyone that if they have a problem it is the job of the government to fix it. Too lazy to work, get welfare, too stupid to use birth control, let the government pay for your kids, Too stupid to make enough money? Don’t worry, the real people in this country are paying your way. We feed your kids a free lunch at school, you loser, I would put my children up for adoption if I was not able to pay for their lunch, at least give them a chance in life. Don’t let them think that real men let other people pay their way thru life.
By Larry
September 27, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
DID YOU REALLY EXPECT CNN or CBS to show a poll where McCain won??? McCain clearly won, but we all expect the liberal media to try to push Obama up hill one more time…. want to see the REAL POLL RESULTS??///
drudge . com …McCain 68% Obama 30%
When will the liberal media report the truth??? NEVER?? But McCain still easily won, Obama was such a novice last nite! Felt bad for him, he was out of his league.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
I just love it when wingnuts accuse the media of being liberal and then post something as “real” like druge.com.
Clueless.
Larry,
Here’s a clue for you. McCain did not clearly win, neither did Obama.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
‘bout time,
“He is naive to the point of stupidity. He is planning to spend more money than any President or body of congress in the history of this nation and folks are too stupid to wonder where the money is going to come from. I am sick and damn tired of paying the amount of taxes I pay and this guy is telling me he is going to raise them even more”
Prove it. You can’t. You are like the typical wingnuts and make sh!t up. Have you even read Obama’s proposals or do you get all your information from right wingnut blogs?
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
To By Decided September 27, 2008 2:51 PM
Now we are talking. I whole heartedly agree with you that something smells conspiratorial about this whole Wall Street Scam straight out of Rove/Bush and their obsession with trying to make George Orwell a historian rather than a fiction writer. I am impressed that someone other than me saw through this latest tactic. I brought it up last night. I think it was a ploy to bankrupt the country so Obama cannot inact policies that will nullify their whole eight years of ‘work’. But back to the subject. The Republicans and the Neo-cons are imploding like I always said they would when America woke up from their nightmarish policies and manipulations. Obama clearly won the debate and showed he was presidential. He DEBATED last night while McCain sought to stroke the partriotism and sympathy of undecided voters and the base.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Wow it is amazing the lack of knowledge so many people on this site have!
Do you understand you did not vote for John McClain in 2000 he had more experience than George Bush?
Yes the surge reduce violence but their is no combining the Shia,Sunni and Kurds to run a complete country.
We have enbolden Iran with a war which was suppose to be won in 2003. What now?
AJC and RW for supposed intelligent men you lack knowledge of change.
Talking tough is nothing today when your armed forces are stretched to the maximum but yet you continue to support the McClain thoughtless comments about Russia.
Janet please acquire intelligence about foreign affairs you need to read unbais news.
To the dummy that states we do not need other countries guess who is financingour debt STUPID! Did you hear what both candidate stated we owe everybody!
Now since we owe other countries who are in favor of paying higher taxes because your Republicans cut taxes while going to war and borrowed from China, Japan and others.
Wake-up you dummies it time for a change.
We cannot drill our way out independence we only have 3 percent of the worlds reserve we have to get off of oil.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Bosch, I got the information off his web site. Look up his health care proposal. I have . I have read the web sites for each candidate many months ago to get my own information. * It’s on HIS web site, READ IT*
By Mark, Valencia, Ca
September 27, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Goes to show you how liberal democrats respond. They either are true dems or left wing liberals. GOPs are right but they’re still GOP. Dems and left wing can’t get things together so they fall back to being socialists where gov’t is the answer to all. They need to rely on gov’t because they don’t have the strength to do it for themselves. therefore they can only FOLLOW and make terrible leaders and use scare tactics because they need to mask their own intentions….not for the people.
Listen…if you take away the loopholes of business as Obama says then why would they want to be in the U.S. anyway! They are taxed BIG so they go offshore where taxes are cheap and they can grow the business. That in turn lets US invest in stocks and make profit. You don’t care where they make the product. You get businesses to stay here for JOB CREATION and RETENTION by making it LESS for them to leave. The health care costs also drive them out….so they leave. Catch - 22 of course. Obama want to raise taxes not just on business but OUR capital gains. If you raise taxes on business then you force the company to raise PRODUCT prices and on and on it goes. We NEED business back and to do that you DON’T raise their taxes but change it to make it business friendly. The last thing we need to do is RAISE taxes and that’s what Obama wants. For him to say we want over $250k income producers to pay more tax is socialistic to help pay those that many just don’t want to work and is strictly looking for a hand out which is basically democratic. It’s widely known that already 40% of Americans in the middle class already DON’T pay taxes so how can you say I’ll reduce taxes on 95% of Americans…it’s just a blatant lie.
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
McCain lost with his opening words. He compared himself to Ike. Ike was a hero of mine. Ike knew war as a last resort. McCain is no Ike. McCain’s a martial clown act and a loose cannon, maybe, but no Ike.
So McCain thinks we’re winning now. Seven years after 911, a trillion dollars after 911, with no strategic mission defined or fulfilled, McCain’s declares victory.
A few more McCain victories will use up this country.
The Bailout is for foreign banks. The treasury secretary got down on one knee to Pelosi begging her to supoport the bailout. He is begging her to save his own behind because he was the Goldman Sachs CEO once and he’s got cronies depending on him to keep them rich.
I implore congress to let the market handle this bailout, and leave taxpayer money alone.
By julian
September 27, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
hey, how come you didnt post the poll from worldnutdaily.com?
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 27, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Oh, and by the way?
Ole Miss up on Florida 24-17 in the 4th quarter.
By Larry
September 27, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
BRADLEY EFFECT…
BRADLEY EFFECT COMING….
…face the truth, Americans are afraid to tell a pollster on the phone that they would never vote for a black man, and on election day, they will not….McCain will win by a landslide, and everyone knows it. Until then it is interesting to see the Libs try to SPIN it …
From Wikipedia…. BRADLEY EFFECT…
“… hite voters tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a Black candidate, when, on election day, they vote for his/her white opponent.”
LIKE IT, DON’T LIKE IT… this is the sad or cool reality, depending how you see it.
UNTIL THEN we can all just watch the ride, then watch McCain win, he already IS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, that is just the way it is, SORRY LIBS, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME! HA! HA! HA!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
‘bout time,
Then you OBVIOUSLY have either reading comprehension problems, or are so blindly partisan that you can’t reason through his proposals.
He’s not planning anything you mentioned.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Bout Time for someone who is advocating college education for all Americans I guess that mean lazy welfare people.
If you make money their are several ways you can deduct or depreciation so you are paying less taxes.
Most wealth Americans get a huge portion of their money back from the Government!
Let’s stop the lying for McClain we have seen to much lying in this campaign and the present Adminstration. Its time to start doing the right thing take care of the middle class!
Also when the government is actually set-up in Iraq what do we get out of this deal?
We are paying for their security and not receiving any of the oil! Wow what a deal? I guess we will send our troops to Africa next huh! I doubt it!
Whoever you are do not post on this site if you cannot tell the truth!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Larry,
You do realize that Wikipedia is not a reliable resource for much of anything except to quickly reference world capitals, don’t you?
Did you write that yourself? You know you can do that on Wikipedia.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
To the rude Bradley Effect wingnut. The pundints painted West Virginia as a bunch of rascists that won’t vote for a black man. The landslide from which you speak is coming for sure, to Obama. The pundints are going to be absolutely shocked when on election night racist ole West Virginia votes for Obama. Who is bi-racial BTW. Get it right and stop judging the man for the color of his skin. He is a good and wise man that American desperatley needs for inspiraction instead of lies, manipulations and fear.
By Larr
September 27, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
BRADLEY EFFECT…
BRADLEY EFFECT COMING….
BRADLEY EFFECT IS HERE…
…face the truth, Americans are afraid to tell a pollster on the phone that they would never vote for a black man, and on election day, they will not….McCain will win by a landslide, and everyone knows it. Until then it is interesting to see the Libs try to SPIN it …
From Wikipedia…. BRADLEY EFFECT…
“… White voters tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a Black candidate, when, on election day, they vote for his/her white opponent.”
LIKE IT, DON’T LIKE IT… this is the sad or cool reality, depending how you see it.
UNTIL THEN we can all just watch the ride, then watch McCain win, he already IS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, that is just the way it is, SORRY LIBS, BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME!
DID YOU CATCH BIDEN after the debate trying to justify OBAMA’S pathetic comments on IRAQ, was the most sad thing I have ever seen, when OBAMA tried to stand toe to toe with McCain on the issues, he looked like a school boy (Obama) being brought to the wood shed by the smarter, more educated in life teacher (McCain). Obama is such a , no won’t use that word, LIBS are reading this…
By Fed up
September 27, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
What some of you need to admit is that you are racist and looking for a reason not to vote for Obama. The Repubs stole the election once, they will try again. When things get tough, do not start taking it out on those who have less, they voted for Obama. Blame it on YOU, because it is YOU who will place this racist man in office. When judgement day comes, YOU will answer to God. How can you sleep at night with all this hate in your hearts? Take it from one who works with you all day long for years and YOU are still not comfortable around me. If Obama had that scowl last night, it would be there’s another angry black man. Sleep well. McCain gets in and we all suffer!!! Some of us believe in God, so the end result will be fine.
By Decided
September 27, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
The Bradley Effect refers to an electoral phenomenon first identified in a 1982 California gubernatorial election.
It is now 2008. Do you realize on any level there are three new generations who have come of voting age?
They aren’t supporting John.
By Fed up
September 27, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
What some of you need to admit is that you are racist and looking for a reason not to vote for Obama. The Repubs stole the election once, they will try again. When things get tough, do not start taking it out on those who have less, they voted for Obama. Blame it on YOU, because it is YOU who will place this racist man in office. When judgement day comes, YOU will answer to God. How can you sleep at night with all this hate in your hearts? Take it from one who works with you all day long for years and YOU are still not comfortable around me. If Obama had that scowl last night, it would be there’s another angry black man. Sleep well. McCain gets in and we all suffer!!! Some of us believe in God, so the end result will be fine.
By Ryan
September 27, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
I personally thought that both candidates did an outstanding job last night !!
By Ryan
September 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
I personally thought that both candidates did an outstanding job last night !!
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
OK, that’s it, I have had it! You rightwing hate mongers always revert back to some kind of racsim. Let’s keep this dicussion spirted but for crying out loud, keep your biggoted view where they belong: In your twisted angry mind.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
I see larry the loser decides to post!
What I notice is all the conservatives and Replublicans are spinless weasels.
President Bush was the man now that he has made some mistakes during the presidency you talk about the man like he is he dumbest man alive. See you had a chance to vote for McClain but it is too late!
Also to blame the recent Senate for problems that started in previous 12 years is really smart.
I guess all you genius out their think we believe all the crap you send out in the press.
Now NewT I cannot stay married to one woman is dogging the president, I guess now he has all the answers.
You know why Newt push to impeach Clinton he really thought he had chance to become president what a dummy!
Drill here drill now! What a dump slogan, when he wasspeaker how come he did not drill here drill now!
I want alternative energy, hybrids ASAP we need to get off of oil!
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
By Larry September 27, 2008 2:54 PM DID YOU REALLY EXPECT CNN or CBS to show a poll where McCain won??? McCain clearly won, but we all expect the liberal media to try to push Obama up hill one more time…. want to see the REAL POLL RESULTS??///
Larry: I wouldn’t get all panicked about it, Oblahma will be deconstructed over the next several days and it ain’t gonna be good for him.
Besides, look at what the consensus was before the lib talking points were released:
FINAL VERDICT: I’d give the nod to McCain.
Got a few phone calls from Code Pinko on that one, didn’t you Jay?
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
McCain also played Connie Chung with the breaking news story about Kennedy. Politicizing a seizure victim. If he had news, why wasn’t it about where to find gasoline in Atlanta.
This Iraq war, this damnable war, hasn’t yet revealed it’s final toll on us. This bailout is linked to the Iraq war by a Rube Goldberg sequence of perfect storm cause and effects that will take historians a decades to untangle. Basically it will boil down to: “There wasn’t supposed to be a war.”
There are some frightening, brutal times ahead thanx to McCain and his Bush Base Evangelical band of yahoos, cowboys and pirates. Oversight? Did you say the bailout should have oversight.
By @@
September 27, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Bosch:
I just finished reading this thread, and with all due respect, your posts read like an aging schoolmarm’s, if not a nun at a parochial school.
When you’re not asking a zillion questions, your seeking confirmation or scolding everybody.
It’s amusing.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I think the less nuclear armed countries the better, but I like the idea of us being the last to have them. Iran holds “elections” but there is a council that has to approve all the candidates.
Ole Miss just reclaimed the lead 30-24, awaiting the extra point.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Ole Miss just scored. Back up by 7 . Good game and could be another upset.
Dawg-Tide game should be good.
Dawgs win and they are #1 until they meet them LSU Tigers of course.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Bosch.. these are off his (BHO) web site, I found these in the first 2 minutes… 150 million for a “Make work pay program” ??? Raise min wage to $ 9.50 by 2012.
Expand earned income tax credits, you know the tax credits people get who pay no tax’s Make mandatory - sick leave from company extend family medical leave act. double funding for after school program, you know, you can’t have people actually raise their own kids. His health care program is mandatory. Companies will have to pay for the cost to cover employees. this means massive layoffs. Money has to come from some where, A small start up cost he estimated at $ 950 billion.. want more? Go read his web site,
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Now Senator McClain is a friend of the House Republicans. A Republican stratagest stated McClain does not even communicate with the House Republicans.
Can you say farce! Can you say Americans I know you are stupid that is why I pick Governor Palin and that is why I pretended to suspend my campaign to straighten out the bail-out package even though I have stated the fundamentals of this economy are good!
How dumb are you California? How dumb are you AJC and RW?
We have to change how we do business and live if not the foreign countries that we owe money to will come calling and the trouble will just begin!
Questions for all you mental wizard! How can we tell a country what to do when we owe them money?
Please tell me mental giants!
By Larryisright
September 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
LIBERAL IDEAS CAUSE WORLD WAR!!!
AMERICA LOOSES BECAUSE THE LIBS GUTTED THE MILITARY!!!!
THE USA TAIL SPINS INTO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!!
THANK YOU LIBS!!!!
Are these the headlines you want to see!!!
LIBS WILL hang on to ANYTHING right now to believe that their OBAMA has what it takes, when inside they all know he himself could not manage a Wendy’s….
their hatred for BUSH has pushed them to the edge of insanity, and MOST LIBS WOULD EVEN be willing to hand our country over to terrorists, rather than loose an election…REAL PATRIOTISM! But when was a LIBERAL ever accused of being a Patriot?
HAVE NEVER MET a liberal who was patriotic to America, they simply don’t have it in them…AND YES, I FIRMLY BELIEVE, most libs would sell out our country to terrorists, they do it everyday…
WAR PAKES PEACE, with libs their strange sense of PEACE actually has made and will continue to MAKE MORE WAR… OBAMA wants peace with terrorist nations, they will bomb the hell out of us, on his watch, then what???? We make war again, only then, after OBAMA guts our Military, we would not even be able to defend a nursery school…
OBAMA AND LIBS ARE not scary, they are destroyers of peace and life, they just can’t see the truth through their un-godly, crap in the woods like bears, ideas…
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Drill here drill now! What a joke! All these McCain/Bush Base Evangelicals really want to drill is their male pages. They are running scared because they know Obama will REALLY develope new energy sources and they will not have any asses to kiss anymore. It is hard to kiss a solar panel’s a*.
By Referee
September 27, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Democrats want to talk about being classy. Well ?… I don’t think it’s very classy to call conservative Republicans “spineless weasels”. That’s just demonizing other people for their beliefs.
By thoughtfull
September 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
When the election process started John McCain was on the list of people I would vote for. I thought the decision was going to be difficult, but John has been a big help to me in making my choice. Last night he proudly said he has not won any congeniality contests while in congress, and he stayed true to form. His behavior during the debate was inappropriate, unprofessional, and unpresidential. His constant smirking and condescending attitude made it obvious that he thought the debate and his opponent were beneath him, simultaneously disrespecting his opponent, the debate commission, Mr Lehrer, AND the American voters watching the debate. Instead of answering questions he repeated catch phrases from his campaign speeches, regardless of their relevance to the question. He pandered to the American worker and to veterans because it suited his political needs in spite of the fact that he does nothing for them when they really need it (check his voting record). He acted as if his opponent and the American electorate is incapable of understanding what he understands. He used tired old tricks instead of honoring us with the truth and with solid ideas. Here is an man who would be president whose first important decision when contemplating winning the presidency of the United States was to pick a running mate he did not know for reasons that were unclear then and becoming more of a mystery each day. During the last two weeks he has done a 180 on the economy, abruptly decided he would suspend “his” campaign (also suspending the electorates right to more inforamtion from candidates with a short time remaining until the election) to go to Washington, then headed to NY where he cancelled his Letterman appearance because he had to head to Washington, then appeared on the Couric show while still in NY, then showboated into Washington for photo ops then changed his previously stated requirement for showing up at the debate, then showed up at the debate in a bad mood where among other things he cavalierly threw out the idea that he might freeze spending on everything but DOD, veterans (who he hasn’t supported by voting record), and entitlements! Do I want this type of well documented erratic personality in the oval office? Absolutely NOT! The reasons I will vote for Barack OBama would take longer to state than this post, but this white female 50 something Central Pennsylvania Independent and many of my relatives and friends of all ages are enthusiastically voting for Barack Obama.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
By Tom WV September 27, 2008 3:27 PM OK, that’s it, I have had it! You rightwing hate mongers always revert back to some kind of racsim.
Tom W: The “Bradley Effect,” if there is such a thing, is not “racism,” it is just simply describing white democrats for what they really are, democrats.
They will tell you one thing and then do something entirely different, it is rather maddening, ain’t it?
By Don
September 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this
McCain made the true Obama come out. He is a fool and can’t hang with the big boys. Nice try Obama but you have been tested and failed. You looked like somebodies little brother trying to argue with a mental giant. Poor Poor Obama go sip more of your yummy Kool Aid and leave the politics to the men.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
I billion in the 1st 5 years for transitional jobs? Double the funding for the federal jobs access and return commute. A $ 500.00 tax credit called making work pay. This is to reimburse them for the money with held from their checks. of course they get it all back when they file in april, so this is simply a hand out. He is going to pay for a nurse to visit 570,000 new moms to make sure they are ok. Who pays for this? He wants to make a law where you have 7 paid sick days a year. Expand high speed internet access in rural areas. the reason it is not done now is because it is not cost effective. can I stop now or do you want more?
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Tom W: The “Bradley Effect,” if there is such a thing, is not “racism,” it is just simply describing white democrats for what they really are, democrats.
They will tell you one thing and then do something entirely different, it is rather maddening, ain’t it?
McCain is the Maveric that want to clean up Wall Street? He has been the champion of ‘deregulation” which is a code word for cronyism. Taking on and cleaning up “Washington”? Please. That is saying one thing to get elected and then doing another, that must be frustratiing for you to explain and I understand it. Also, did you hear? Karl Rove is spreading around a rumor here in WV that Obama has fathered a black child! Not one but two!
By Dee
September 27, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Senator Obama won the debate, I was very please with his performance in the arena of foreign policy. Senator McCain did not look at his opponent - not once - it seem as thought he could not bear being on stage with Senator Obama. I did feel that Senator Obama was very polite and that Senator McCain was very arrogant, rude and condescending. All Senator McCain could say about the surge, the surge. The man need to go and sit down. This job is not for an old man.
By Dee
September 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Senator Obama won the debate, I was very please with his performance in the arena of foreign policy. Senator McCain did not look at his opponent - not once - it seem as thought he could not bear being on stage with Senator Obama. I did feel that Senator Obama was very polite and that Senator McCain was very arrogant, rude and condescending. All Senator McCain could say about the surge, the surge. The man need to go and sit down. This job is not for an old man.
By DECIDED
September 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Bradley Effect = 1982
Just like the GOP - stay stuck in the past. You will soon wake to the fact that a brand new discounted group of voters, age 19-39 don’t even understand what ‘racism’ means.
They are looking for a younger, smarter leader who has fresh and non-bigot ideas for this new world.
Someone with solutions that go beyond fat wallets and fear mongering.
Does anyone in the GOP know what year this is? Do any of you realize that we are living in a global situation? It’s irrelevant to be an isolationist “ME FIRST and to hell with anyone else” proponent in this world.
But if you don’t get it, ok.
The train has already left the station, so good luck John, Sarah and Company!.
By Kay
September 27, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
Obama is so GREEN! Did you hear him call Senator McCain by his first name throughout the entire debate? That is unbelievably rude.
It also confirms what I always suspected - that his YOUTH is a negative & he would also be equally disrespectful to leaders in other countries as well.
Obama is such a joke. He needs to grow up and learn to use his manners.
By Newt
September 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Bush is a loser. He should just invite McCain to the oval office and let him start running things today. Bush can sit on the sidelines quietly and learn something from an experienced leader. The first thing that McCain should do is fire Cox and Paulson. Then, he should take charge of this whole economic mess himself. I think he should provide tax payer funded insurance to wall street to cover any of these toxic mortgage backed securities that originated in the slums of Marietta and other such places. That way, the smart people on wall street will buy these insured pieces of crap and not have to lose sleep over their true value. It’s the right thing to do for America and it should be called Contract on America — Part Deux. I thought of that name all by myself. I may even write a new book with that title.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Here’s the exchange that caused the audience to break the rules and laugh……..at Oblahma:
Thee Talker: And, you know, the Bush administration has come to recognize that it hasn’t worked, this notion that we are simply silent when it comes to our enemies. And the notion that we would sit with Ahmadinejad and not say anything while he’s spewing his nonsense and his vile comments is ridiculous. Nobody is even talking about that.
MCCAIN: So let me get this right. We sit down with Ahmadinejad, and he says, “We’re going to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth,” and we say, “No, you’re not”? Oh, please.
Nothing but net.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
BHO is going to strengthen the hate crimes act. You know, if you hurt a black or gay person is worse than hurting a white person, we have to prosecute the thought process. Can’t be thinkin bad thought. Health care, guaranteed acceptance, He is going to create the “National Health ins. Exchange” this group will over see any private health care policies to make sure they are in line with handout to the folks who sign up for his plan.He wants to protect kids from lead poisoning. Isn’t that my job? He wants to fight aids world wide. Why? It is an illness that is 100% preventable. He wants to spend an additional billion to fight autism. Let the private sector do it. If you have ever stood in line at DMV or had to deal with government at all do you really want them in charge of your health care?
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin’s chances to win her debate with Biden? She doesn’t have a chance in H…E…double hockey sticks.
Palin/McCain 08: It’s a good thing for homeland security that politics makes strange bedfellows. How else can Palin/McCain find the sleeper cells?
By DECIDED
September 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Proposal: Your campaign is failing.
You check with your “Rove” style campaign managers.
They say you need to do something big to win.
You ask your buddies in the current administration for help.
Prez and company say, “Let’s make a deal for big bailouts a few weeks before the election. We get people to believe that the sky is falling and then start a general panic. One of two things happens: Congress hands us a big check right away for billions and we are sitting pretty.
Or, even better, there’s a big fight, and you can lead out your congress to say ‘No, we can’t do that to our people.’ Then you get to be a big hero, and alienate yourself from us - like a maverick would!!”
You say, “Great idea!”
Problem unforeseen: Taxpayers say NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to anything at all until they understand exactly what has gone wrong, and what the terms of this bailout will be.
Uh oh.
You realize that you have now compromised your congressional buddies in winning their elections in November.
Time for you to bailout, John, Sarah and Company!
(lack of respect INTENDED!)
By Dee
September 27, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
The debate shows that Senator McCain is out of touch with the middle class - working families. Senator McCain did not say middle class - not once during the debates. He kept focusing on the past 40 years - Senator Obama kept talking about the future. This is the change that we need from Senator Obama. We will get more of the same from Senator McCain. He did not mention President Bush - yet he voted with him over 90% of the time. Senator Obama is on his way to victory. The next debate Senator Obama will put a stinger in Senator McCain - this will be the knockout.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
It wasn’t his war. Why should he sacrifice some of his political capital just to avoid an American military defeat? All the blood sacrificed by our soldiers wasn’t on his hands.
For Obama, the war going badly had been a great political boon. His early opposition to it had gotten him noticed.
And his unwavering opposition is why he beat Hillary Clinton in the primary.Charles Hurt, NY Post
Playing politics with national security is second hand news for a democrat.
By Citzen of Chicago
September 27, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
John McCain can’t grasp the difference between visiting a foreign land and making intelligent foreign policy.
Constantly referring to this or that disaster area to which his macabre tourism has taken him, the travel weary McCain spins tired “narratives” to mess with our emotions. But when have his exciting, government paid junkets ever done any good?
Just like his “great economic crisis” discomposure and rush to Washington to “shake things up”, just like McCain’s little “debate or not to debate” drama, the question is: John McCain: he came, he saw, so what?
Is the prognosticatory, misstep prone old John trying to exhibit his “good judgment” or just eager to provide endless material for comic parody?
McCain and Palin, the “Heartbeat from Armageddon” tour, what a ticket, what a show.
Sarah Palin’s foreign policy credentials are “I can see Russia from my house”, and McCain’s credentials for leadership are “I visited a lot of countries”.
Perhaps McCain should have been a news correspondent — no, wait, that profession requires being able to report with truth and accuracy, something John McCain is incapable of.
John McCain comes off as a stubborn old crank. That sort of man goes abroad with one opinion and returns with the same opinion. Unresponsive of mind, dead in ideology, moldy in old lies and superstitions, John McCain will hunker down in his rut while America and the world move ahead.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Medicare is THE most popular gov’t run health cre program in the world and your ole buddy Bush created the biggest increase in benefits ever with the prescription drug scam. Rammed it through by using what the GOP does best, cheating. Just like they do on their wives while they lay in a hospital bed. The drug benefit plan is a farce that forbids any negotiations on price. Who do you think this benefits? Not the patient, it benefits the big drug companies and oil companies. Oil companies? Yes, 90% of all drugs are made out of petrolium. Everywhere you find a big pharmaceutical facility it is located near a refinery. Hang it up GOP. The torch has been passed to a new generation. Remember, HOPE is a good thing, maybe the best of things and a good thing never dies. (Quote from the movie: The Shawshank Redemption)
By @@
September 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Just for you Bosch.
A look inside Iran’s elections.
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Palin against biden? Joe biden is so stupid he could not get laid in women s prison with a fist full of pardons. The same guy who told the man in wheel chair to stand up? The same guy who thought FDR was the president in 1929 on tv? Joe biden is the poster child for planed parenthood. BHO is full of great ideas, he is just too stupid to play with the grown ups. You can certainly tell who the losers in life are when they vote for the guy who is going to “take care of them and their kids and their health care. What a bunch of weak minded losers. You little weak people need someone to take care you you don’t you. You need someone to take care of your kids, someone to give you health ins. some one to tell you when to think, you are pathetic.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Kay do you know what manners are? You can call someone by their first name because they know each other!
They are not enemies!
To referee:
This year and the past all I have seen is conservative Republicans speak lies about this economy, the war and Mr. Obama!
Also I did not know the only people serving in the war are Republicans!
To Larry:I bet 70 percent of those serving are from Democratic families!
Now since we owe China 1 trillion dollars and China has the Iraqi oil contract we will leave or troops in Iraq to pay-off that debt! I get it now we work for the CHINESE!
Nice moved REPUBLICANS! We are owned by the Japanese whom we gave a start and made the economically strong now they do not spend much for protection we do that and pay for it!
By N-GA
September 27, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
I see people are still trying to keep nuclear weapons out of Iran’s arsenal. Do you really think they’ll succeed?
I mean, look at India, Pakistan, and North Korea…
You might slow them down, but it will happen eventually. But for now it makes for good political fodder.
By DECIDED
September 27, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
New MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SONG
Performed by: Former Goldman Sachs CEO
as sung to: Nancy Pelosi
“Ms. Pelosi - I’m down on my knees… I’m begging you PLEASE to save me!
Oh, Nancy, you’re breaking my heart. You’re shaking my confidence baby Oh oh oh….”
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Hey Tom wv…the grown ups are talking , go outside and play with your friends
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
Neither candidate gained any ground. This was a safe play, opening gambit, pawn to King 4, fair shot across the bow, parry and deflect, demonstrate in your opponent’s front, feel each other out debate.
Too bad the CNN pollsters didn’t hook electrodes up to Jay Bookman to see who was winning the debate. Did anybody read his play by play? He really doesn’t understand our culture at all not to know how ridiculous he appeared with his idiotic updates.
The physical appearance factor, which favored Kennedy, and the fact that Nixon was caught glancing at his watch, suggests that Sarah palin won that debate.
Didn’t Obama sound like our president, though? McCain sounded like the old bitter cantankerosity he truly is.
Once again, though, Obama and the democratic writers dont know how to reply to “the surge”. McCain left himself wide open with, “We’re winning in Iraq”.
Oh? Win? What is the mission? What part of the mission is complete? What criteria are you citing to declare a win?
I want Sarah Palin 2b our prez. I love her now. I’m going to send her a valentines day card tomorrow so that mine will arrrive first, unless Osama Bin Laden sends her one first, the dirty rat, imagine how impressed with sarah palin osama bin laden is. I’ll bet he howls at the moon when he looks at her signed, 8X10 glossy.
I know I do. Sarah, please run for pres in ‘12. You will win. All America needs is a good five cent bikini wax.
Sarah ‘12: This candidacy has legs!
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.-Governor Matt Blunt, Missouri
By "bout time
September 27, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Obama supporters, unite! you and Hezbollah both endorse BHO…I love it… is that the crowd you want to be part of. to
To Commen cents: and all this has happened with the blessing of the democratic congress.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
I have to refrain from being suckered into the typical GOP vitriol seen above. Everyone take a deep breath and relax. We only hve a few weeks to go and this nightmare of an Orwellian Administration will be relocated to the dust bins of history. And what a history. It is almost over and Obama will be the next president and the next surprise will be the Mark Follies of the congress are going to be uncerimonially kicked out and the Progressives will return American to it’s former glory and off this insane oil based, war mongering, hate filled diatribe we hear daily about all of us ‘evil lazy liberals’. Relax. There will be a flurry of angry GOP, neo-Con Kool-aid drinkers cussing and spewing out all the lies, rumors and inuendo just before the end and then…at last….we will get a smart, worldly, english speaking leader. Relax GOP and take your medicine like an adult. It’s over for you, as far as the eye can see. The Grand Old Party is dead and no life support system in the world will revive it. No way, no how, no McCain!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
RW,
Yes, I think we’d all like to think of a world with less nuclear weapons, but it still doesn’t stop them from getting them, and there is nothing we can do to stop them. We like to think that somehow our opinions matter in the world, but we are less and less influential.
Considering our faulty economy and that money makes the world go round, there again, we are less of a player.
I read the transcripts of Ahmadejead’s (?sp) interview with Steve Inskeep the other day and he did a good job explaining Iran’s election process, it is questionable to say the least, but we can’t simply dismiss them as non-legitimate. The people of Iran have to stand up to their own leaders, and until then our potential leaders need to stop childishly calling them “bad guys” and singing silly songs (say THAT five times fast) about bombing them.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Bout time are you for real? Your comments are really stupid!
I guess only REPUBLICANS serve in the war huh!
What is wrong with you? We are all for America but we cannot continue down this road. Did you hear what both candidate stated we owe a lot of country MONEY! They wil control our Government if we do not try to change strategies.
With Electric grid restructuring and hybrid cars coming on-line we will reduce our dependence oil substantially!
Cars and transport use most of the oil. Wake-up America Nuclear has to be paid for by the government. Also who wants nuclear waste in their backyard!
By Jen
September 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
The AJC has some of the most liberal and racially baised reporting on the planet earth. Thier motto should be FUBU (For Us By US).
On top of that you are talking about polls by CNN. What a joke!
Keep disillusioning yourselves.
Everyone that has half a brain knows that Congress could care less about Americans.
They proved that by trying to pass 20% of the Bailout profits to ACORN. A criminal entity that Obama supports, Pelosi supports, Reid supports.
All the do nothing, earmark adding, payoff from lobbyist taking members of our Congress should be fired. They all love Obama, what does that tell you.
Minorities are the caus of this housing crisis and deserve no pity at all.
You suck AJC, Atlanta sucks, Georgia sucks.
Oh and Obama sucks.
By Mayu
September 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Obama was very combative, argumentative, rude and snide last night. And he kept trying to interrupt McCain hoping to throw him off his game.
This guy was so excited about interrupting McCain with his “I got a bracelet too.. neener neener boo boo” moment, that HE COULDN’T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SOLDIER HE WAS WEARING IT FOR!! It was so noticable.
And McCain was polite enough to call Obama Senator Obama even though I’m sure he had a few choice names for him in the back of his mind…
Obama kept calling Senator McCain, his Senior who has been in office decades longer, “John”.
It’s disrespectful, and he lost quite a few votes of my friends who are stanch democrats (And I mean the type who I’ve actually had all out yelling matches with during election time)… that weren’t quite sure about Obama. Some are voting McCain, 2 said they’re not voting at all ths year.
So I say this match goes to McCain, no matter what extremely obvious and unashemedly liberal leaning media outlets like CNN and PMSNBC might say.
By Jen
September 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
The AJC has some of the most liberal and racially baised reporting on the planet earth. Thier motto should be FUBU (For Us By US).
On top of that you are talking about polls by CNN. What a joke!
Keep disillusioning yourselves.
Everyone that has half a brain knows that Congress could care less about Americans.
They proved that by trying to pass 20% of the Bailout profits to ACORN. A criminal entity that Obama supports, Pelosi supports, Reid supports.
All the do nothing, earmark adding, payoff from lobbyist taking members of our Congress should be fired. They all love Obama, what does that tell you.
Minorities are the cause of this housing crisis and deserve no pity at all.
You suck AJC, Atlanta sucks, Georgia sucks.
Oh and Obama sucks.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
Exactly. And, as I said ^^^, we are less influential as a player who can do anything about it - as if there is any country in the world who can actually prevent such a thing.
And as Jimmy Carter said once, (paraphrasing) - one way to get the Iranians to slow down their nuclear program is to stop threatening to bomb them.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
Hey bout time, you have violated your curfew. Somewhere and village needs it’s idiot back! ILMFAO!
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
Hey bout time, you have violated your curfew. Somewhere an village needs it’s idiot back! ILMFAO!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Jen,
I don’t think many of the hundreds of houses in Alpharetta that are in foreclosure are minority owned.
By John
September 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Marching forward — and backward — into the future!
During the debate last night, the Senator from Arizona projected his experience and toughness. Truly, men are from Mars.
The Senator from Illinois differed markedly in tone. He seemed cautious; his answers to questions were often complex and nuanced. One might conclude that his inner considerations were thoughtful. He seemed composed, well-spoken, and intelligent.
Apparently, from subsequent polling, the Illinois Senator’s emphasis on initially engaging rogue nations, such as Iran, through discussion and negotiation, resonated with women moreso than with men.
Alternately, the Senator from Arizona came across as tough, combative, and uncompromising. His aggressive approach was augmented by and reflected in repeated personal recriminations against the Senator from Illinois. In this regard, he has now been described as disdainful, caustic, smug, and condescending.
Perhaps, most revealing in the debate was the respective perspectives of the two Senators. The views of the Senator from Arizona were frequently retrospectives, often militaristic. It must be hard for many of last night’s viewers not to characterize this rhetoric as just the musings of another ‘cranky old man’.
By Taxpayer
September 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
The Political Insider caught McCain in one of his moments. He said “Horsesh!t”, live, last night. This hot-tempered old coot cannot even control himself when his Republican party lets him out in public for a few hours. What a pathetic old loser. Horsesh!t.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this
Hey bout time:
How’s this for an idea?
Obama/Biden for 8 years to restore the Constitution and pay for the GOP’s idiotic policies and blinders and then Biden/? for 8 more years to erase any reference of GW Bush from history and make common sense permanent. Yeah. I like the sound of that.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
there is nothing we can do to stop them
Bosch,
You better tell that to your candidate. He says he will not allow that and takes no options off the table.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
And as Jimmy Carter said once, (paraphrasing) - one way to get the Iranians to slow down their nuclear program is to stop threatening to bomb them.
Common sense. It is their job to protect their citizens and country.
The warmongers spew to act tough but when it is time to fight, they get deferred.
They should STFU and get rid all nukes.
By Common Sense
September 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
Jen I guess all those house in Actworth are owned by minorites! All those home from $500,000 to $700,000 dollars in Florida, California and Nevada are all owned by minorities!
Wow here we are in the 21st century and some of you still believe blame someone else when the blames lies with the greedy CEO of any company.
Last I check the concept of making a good deal stays the same in credit. If you have bad credit do not lend to that person suggest they clear up their credit because all the mortgages are not gauranteed!
Also let me drop some knowledge on the dummies here! First they are making the claim it is all about foreclosures when really it is about leverage those mortgage back securities 30 to 40 times their worth to purchase more junk no you have a meltdown!
With bad investments banks and investment companies have to keep that investment in their portfolio therefore no money to lend, therefore Mr. GOVERNMENT can you help!
Paulson is trying to protect his trust of shares in the company he previously worked for Goldman Saks!
Wake-up smell the con job!
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
RW,
Yes, but I think the GOP has more of a reputation of using military rather than diplomatic options.
McCain is a hot-head, Obama thinks before acting.
Big difference.
By Tom WV
September 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
I must have not been watching the same debate as the one where people think McCain won. Clearly the one I watched showed Obama as ‘commanding’ and in control which is what I want in a president. There has been a paradigm shift in that the American people no longer want a president that you want to drink beer with. No, we need a president that is large and in charge. McCain comes across a petty and small, grumpy and constipated. McCain was just merely regurgitating GOP talking points whereas Obama was actually debating in the formal sense. McCain clearly did not want to be there. And the so called ‘straight talker’ could not even look his opponent “straight in the eye”. When someone keeps looking down and will not look you in the eye when they are talking, that usually is the classic sign that that person is lying. That’s harsh but it is what it is. Remember, HOPE is a good thing, maybe the best of things and a good thing never dies. (Quote from the movie: The Shawshank Redemption)
By Taxpayer
September 27, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Check out this clip of McCain’s performance last night.
By Midori
September 27, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
Jen,
can we add you to the “suck” list as well?
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer @4:49,
Even Sullivan has backed off of that crap.
By Ed
September 27, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Obama won. Now let’s watch Palin / Biden - The McCain supporters can then wait for the Fox News spin/talking points and tell us how Palin’s lack of knowledge and experience is not important, that she’s a quick study. Of course, for the real conservatives, like myself, I can see, hear, think, and reason for myself - no amount of spin can change what I learn from that. Her selection alone is reason enough to abandon McCain - but for me it goes beyond that. He’s an angry old schooler, impersonal, and maintains the mantra, either your with us or against us. The world isn’t that black and white - and we don’t own the planet.
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Palin/McCain 08: It’s a great thing for homeland security that politics makes such strange bedfellows like Palin/Mccain. How else could they find the sleeper cells?
Obama 08: America takes over.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer: That’s real nice but maybe you could tell the dimwit who made that clip that they don’t need to record Fox with a video camera, just go to their website and click on the “debate” tab.
Gee, you libs are kinda dull, aren’t you?
By Dusty
September 27, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
Good grief,
I don’t know what the polls show, 90% of bloggers here went straight for their party’s candidate. That could have told us their choice BEFORE the debate. Bookman included.
Almost every fault pointed out at the debate could be aimed at both candidates in one way or another. Manners?? Eye contact?? Inconsiderate? Inconsistent? Too young? Too old? Inexperienced? You can pull up SOMETHING on both if you try hard. No need to get uptight about it.
Both candidates did a fairly good job. America has nothing that shames this great country. We ELECT people by free choice.
If you do not like our system, then move on. There are millions outside the USA who would love to take your place.
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
The surprise of the campaign is ahead of us: Palin will dazzle in her tete-a-tete with Biden.
If this woman has resources deep inside of herself that only debate can tap, then drill baby drill. The close up of this fair lady spinning will be electric. Expect a fair bounce in the polls for McCain after her debut.
We’re lucky she’s only the veep, people.
Palin ‘12: Her candidacy’s got legs.
Hot legs, sir.
Clinton, smoke on your pipe and put THAT in!!!!
By Taxpayer
September 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
Oh look, I got a rise out of the two resident buffoons. If you don’t like what I post, take it up with someone who cares. Maybe this guy can help you out.
By Concerned Kyle
September 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
My guess? Obama wins - raises taxes on corporations, who then run as fast as they can to havens overseas - taking with them your jobs - but don’t worry, I am sure you will find some way to blame, bush, reagan, or eisenhower for that, I am sure.
Don’t have enough money to take care of yourself because you made poor decisions all your life? Too afraid to go rob your neighbor because you might go to jail (or he might shoot you in the process)? Don’t worry, just have the obominator promise that he will use the power of the federal government to rob your neighbor for you.
Why don’t these countries like us? Because we represent a threat to them should they decide to do whatever they want? I can see it now, Israel under a mushroom cloud, Obama is furious, let’s sit down at a table and talk immediately - Iran fundamentalists sneak a bomb into NYC? Obama says, this is clearly not acceptable, see if we can get Iran to come to the table and talk about their feelings - Oh, let’s take some more money from the richest 49% and give it all to the poorest 51% so they keep loving me - can we turn all of those big homes into free resorts for the have nots? Then they will really, really love me - The crazy muslim robin hood…. BHO - we are all, really, really screwed - I for one am going to close shop and fire all 5 of my employees if he gets elected - I won’t pay a penny in income tax until he’s gone - so, for me I don’t care - I just hope everyone else that can takes a John Galt attitude and screws over all of the idiot BO voters that work for them.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Since when does Horsesh!t start with a C?
It’s even in the transcript.
He even said the other day that he would not meet potentially with the prime minister of Spain, because he — you know, he wasn’t sure whether they were aligned with us. I mean, Spain? Spain is a NATO ally.
MCCAIN: Of course. <———-
OBAMA: If we can’t meet with our friends, I don’t know how we’re going to lead the world in terms of dealing with critical issues like terrorism.
MCCAIN: I’m not going to set the White House visitors schedule before I’m president of the United States. I don’t even have a seal yet
One of the best lines of the night!
By A Response
September 27, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Regardless of what Mr. Kissinger is saying now, he did in fact say at a forum last week at George Washington University in response to questions about Iran, “I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.”
It’s important to remember that two different people can hear the same thing and come away with two very different interpretations of what was said (if you’re married, you know this). This does not make either person a liar, stupid, evil or wrong.
There are a number of fact-checking services on the web and it would serve all of us well, if we all used them. Not just one or two, but several, so that we have a better chance of making well-informed decisions. It’s become clear that the future of our nation depends on it.
Although we can afford to disagree, we can no longer afford to simply accept ‘hook, line and sinker’ what we’ve been told or what we want to believe.
The right candidate will stand up to our scrutiny.
By Political Foreskin
September 27, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
The SnowWitch. episode plenty.
The Black Knight knelt before the SnowWitch and pleaded for her support on the bailout.
The SnowWitch spat as she barely acknowleged his chivalrous stoop. As she stepped past the supplicant, she paused, and spat again, this time striking the Black Knight squarely in his left eye as he steeled his gaze. He cried out and fell backwards. His aides rushed to prevent his collapse, for he was in full armor, but they were late, and with a clang he struck the ground. The SnowWitch was on him in a second, her 6 inch hair pin at the ready, poised directly beneath the exposes underarm of the helpless knight. She jabbed quickly, and pierced the Knight’s skin where he applied his Right Guard everyday. He yelped meekly. “You’re going down on Saturday. Believe it.” The SnowWitch was so clever with her hairpin that nobody noticed her felony.
“He’s okay,” exclaimed the SnowWitch as she offered her own hand to help the Black Knight onto his feet. She disengaged as his entourage finally massed together and hoisted the knight upwards.
Saturday was the night for the nest debate. And now the Black Knight had one less useful arm.
By Truesdell
September 27, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
There should be a thread where you can elect to read the commentator’s this text will be italic…and skip the multiple posts by the same commentator. Some people have no life and spend all their waking hours posting on election websites. As a result, 2 or 3 highly partisan posters dominate the dialogue…making it less interesting for most casual visitors.
By getalife
September 27, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
That line was lame RW. He conceded the point.
Mississippi did a good job on the debate and hate McCain for his stunt.
I think Obama is going after McTemper’s judgement because he will point out Palin was horrible judgement after the VP debate. If she does not drop out. Even if she does, that decision was plain horrible.
By Taxpayer
September 27, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
And these words (and more) from good old boy, Newt, were just too much:
“I thought when John came back, when he made the announcement he was coming back, you in effect had a transfer of leadership. Now, the president hasn’t conceded that.” “The president did a speech today, he did a speech Wednesday night, none of which I think are particularly helpful. Both because his standing now is so low, and because he’s so partisan and because I don’t think any serious person believes he understands this problem. Because it’s clear that Paulson and Bolten, who are both Goldman Sachs alumni, have been giving him a very one-sided, Wall Street view of the world. I’m confident they never looked at eliminating ‘mark to market.’ And I’m confident they didn’t look at loaning rather than buying.”
Newt and his loyal following of leaderless Congressional Republican losers are just plain pathetic and they’re the best that the Republican party has to offer.
By karen ebner
September 27, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
A debate is a discussion in which both parties answer questions then turn politely to each other and debate. When both parties know each other they refer to them by first names.(ie;”John,you said…”)This is proper etiquette. When addressing the audience they use their titles.
By Steve
September 27, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
The following is excerpted from a CBS News story back in September of 2004 after a debate between Kerry and Bush:
CBS) Uncommitted voters who watched Thursday night’s presidential debate said John Kerry won the debate against President Bush, and most of those voters improved their opinion about the Democratic candidate because of the debate, according to a CBS News poll. Forty-three percent of the uncommitted debate-watchers picked Kerry as the winner, while 28 percent chose Mr. Bush. Another 29 percent said it was a tie.Sound familiar?
By Midori
September 27, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this
what’s the point, Steve?
that you’re gonna steal this one, too?
By Peter
September 27, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this
WOW watch some of the U-Tube videos of McLost……..
One video has McLost saying he was OK with Gay Marriage, then minutes later saying he was against it……..
He sponsored an Illegal Alien Bill that he says he would vote against , if it came to vote…….
He said it would be “Easy Victory” in 2003 about the Iraq WAR…….
Now he says he knew back then it would not be the “Walk in the park” some were led to believe…..
Where he will lose the election…….the Young Voters…
Young folks……… they “KNOW HOW” to work a computer and e-mail, as compared to Dunce McLost who claims he doesn’t……..they will watch those videos and see how badly he has lied, and Flip Flopped…….
His muttering “Horseshit” last night during the DEBATE was caught as well……..pretty funny stuff………boy he gets upset quick that McLost guy……not much composure !
By Lizz
September 27, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this
I dont’ understand how Obama could “look better” at the polls when all I saw was a man who was nervous and could not answer most of the question without stumbling. I think the polls are not real because they only got opinions of people who like Obama.
By Midori
September 27, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this
Round One: Obama!
By TW
September 27, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
Steve - 53% of the people in 2004 thought the economy good/great.
Put your money where your mouth is. Vegas - $100 on McSame pays $200 if he wins. Why is that, Steve?
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this
Here’s the video of The Dunce having to read his bracelet to find out the name of the soldier he was supposedly honoring
By TW
September 27, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this
The only presidential seal McSame’ll ever have is the one between his pucker and Bush’s backside.
By Taxpayer
September 27, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this
TW,
Would that be with or without the red lipstick.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this
No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they’re carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they’ve provided. Our troops have performed brilliantly. The question is for the next president, are we making good judgments about how to keep America safe precisely because sending our military into battle is such an enormous step-Obama 9/26/2008
He just threw his 2002 speech under the bus. Isn’t that his supposed claim to fame?
And here’s how poseur ended his 2002 anti-war speech, which remains to this day the biggest/only credential on his foreign-policy resume:
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not — we will not — travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.—Obama 10/2/2002
By getalife
September 27, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this
Now back to the real world:
WASHINGTON - Automakers gained $25 billion in taxpayer-subsidized loans and oil companies won elimination of a long-standing ban on drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as the Senate passed a sprawling spending bill Saturday. The 78-12 vote sent the $634 billion measure to President Bush, who was expected to sign it even though it spends more money and contains more pet projects than he would have liked.
Slap full of pork and other goodies. The three page bailout is now over 100 pages and will be slap full of pork and other goodies. McTemper better skip that vote too or vote no.
*Murray Waas: The Bush administration is refusing to declassify a damaging National Intelligence Estimate on Afghanistan. Compare that to the White House’s efforts to declassify the erroneous NIE saying that Iraq had WMD during the run-up to the war with Iraq.
Another failure.
By jacksmith
September 27, 2008 7:48 PM | Link to this
Bush, McCain can run. But they cant hide anymore.
What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.
My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.
Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism’s of the Bush, McCain administration.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.
JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS…
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
Speaking of the real world and failed governance.
Jay B should post this video to bolster the claim that the housing and financial mess is all because of Republicans not wanting to regulate the markets.
By Steve
September 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this
I don’t know who is more dishonest Obama, McCain or Bookman
“It can be reasonably concluded, especially after accounting for the slight Democratic bias in the survey, that we witnessed a tie in Mississippi tonight,” CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib said. “But given the direction of the campaign over the last couple of weeks, a tie translates to a win for Obama.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/index.html
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
The third thing we have to do is we’ve got to make sure that we’re competing in education. We’ve got to invest in science and technology. China had a space launch and a space walk. We’ve got to make sure that our children are keeping pace in math and in science, blah, blah, blah-Oblahma
Gosh, really?
NASA Astronaut Ed White made history on June 3, 1965, when he floated out of the hatch of his Gemini 4 capsule into the void of space. The first American “spacewalk” — or Extravehicular Activity (EVA) — lasted 23 minutes, not nearly long enough for White. He later said the spacewalk was the most comfortable part of the mission, and said the order to end it was the “saddest moment” of his life.
The freaking Chinks are 43 years behind us and thee Magnificent Blowhard must want us to go back in time.
Moron.
By GOPs got to go
September 27, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
I just finished watching the debates online. Obama was clearly the winner. McCain came across as petulant man cranky to be losing in the poles. If he said “you just don’t understand” one more time…….He certainly is lacking in understanding. I love how he had to end with the prisoner story, yet again.
By the way, I forgot to check if everyone was sufficiently patriotic for my vote by wearing a flag pin. After all that is THE most important thing.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
And Jack Smith definitely needs to watch the video at 7:51.
By JKM
September 27, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this
I am writing this in response to “I Count’s” comment, in which she described how she came to change her views with regard to Obama. I have read many, many comments on numerous websites regarding this election and the candidates, some thoughtful, some witty and clever, and some appallingly nasty and reflective of deplorable ignorance and stupidity. However, what “I Count” said has moved me more than anything else I have read. You are inspirational and have demonstrated that people are truly capable of overcoming their prejudices. You are proof that people are fundamentally decent and that there is intelligent life out there.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this
RW: All that video needs is “I’m John McCain and I endorse this message.”
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
By the way, I forgot to check if everyone was sufficiently patriotic for my vote by wearing a flag pin
Are we checking attire for blog night now?
Palin entered the bar after the press pool was pre-positioned in the rear of the venue. Donning a red Phillies jacket that was purchased for her earlier in the day, Palin came in to a loud roar, and the bar quickly descended into a mob scene. She was dressed casually, wearing jeans, a brown leather belt with a leopard-print buckle, and a white t-shirt underneath the Phillies jacket that read “Sarahcuda.”
Now that is Change We Can Believe In.
Sarah’Cuda
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
blog night should have been debate night.
Geez
AJC/DNC-M
It’s a little long to package into a commercial, but House Republicans that are getting all this grief should cut it up in sections and flood the market with it.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
You know, right now I’m not real concerned about the debate.
I just waited in line for the past 45 minutes at the last gas station in my area with gas, they only had premium left, and as I inched up and up, there were only three cars ahead of me, they ran out. So I came home.
I don’t mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but we had Katrina and Rita a few years back, and we didn’t have gas shortages like this. What is really going on?
By getalife
September 27, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Dawgs are getting whooped out there.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
Obama came across as slick trying to making himself sound more moderate than his record demonstrates. He says he doesn’t really want to spend $800 billion on new programs; he really isn’t the most liberal member of the Senate; he doesn’t really want to meet with dictators like Ahmadinejad; and so on.-Christopher Ruddy
The most liberal member of Congress.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Katrina and Rita both came through the Gulf, but they only interrupted the platforms. Ike and to a lesser extent Gustav interrupted the platforms and the refineries. Ike slammed right into a lot of our refining capacity. You’ll be fine in a couple weeks.
It does suck to use all that gas waiting in line to not get any though. Did they at least have some catfish sushi?
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Yikes! Alabama is putting a whuppin’ on UGA tonight. They better show them highlights of today’s Michigan second half comeback in the locker room.
By Danny the red
September 27, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
If this thing comes down to Virginia, RW, then your side is toast.
Ever been to the NoVa suburbs?
It’s a little taste of what’s coming to this state in say about 15 more years.
By Danny the red
September 27, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this
“The most liberal member of Congress” ?
Hehh.
Like the man said. He was just voting against the Trotskyist in the White House.
Go back to school, pal.
By suzmarino
September 27, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Heard on CNN today that right after the debate was over that McCain was on his way back to Washington (arrived at 4am) to participate with the economic crisis and that Obama hit the campaign trail right away and had raked in another 20,000 voters (woopie for him). I don’t know about you but I want a concerned president that is present and watching over what is going on.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this
Danny the red,
I have no dog in this hunt, but yes I’ve spent a lot of time in the northern part of Virginia and I agree with you that if does come down to Virginia, as I predict, there’s a very good chance Obama gets elected.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Dogs haven’t been beaten this badly since Michael Vick was still in business.
By Danny the red
September 27, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this
It’s a little odd even that NC seems to be further along that curve than GA. Must be all the PhDs moved in around the research triangle.
And maybe it’s not inevitable for GA. After all, it’s had emigration from the north for decades and yet is still about as red as it gets.
By Bosch
September 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
RW,
I cut my car off when I was waiting. Don’t know if that helped much. This is crazy!
Ugh, my dawgs are getting killed. How embarrassing.
suzmarino,
I don’t know about you, but I want a president who doesn’t grandstand.
By Curious
September 27, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
What’s liberal about wanting people to have health care?
What’s liberal about wanting good education?
What’s liberal about wanting discretion from our Commander in Chief?
What’s liberal about wanting the home owner to get a fair shake?
What’s liberal about wanting Americans to have access to good jobs?
Maybe the problem with America today is that we’re not enough liberal.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, Danny thee Red regurgitates his comfort food to the wonderment of the blog.
You really believed that nonsense, goony?
Check this out, red, Oblahma voted with Bushie on immigration, on the energy boondoggle and, almost as though they were attached at the hip, on the “farm bill.”
And do tell us, what of all those hardcore pinkkko things Oblahma voted for that Bushie had no part of?
Moron.
By ELM
September 27, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
OBAMA AND BIDEN MY DEAR POEPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES WE ARE IN NEED OF CHANGES, WE CANNOT JUDGE OURSELFS ON THE PASS, WE HAVE BEEN WARNED MANY TIMES THAT AMERICAN IS GOING DOWN, ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. IF YOU WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT MCCAIN AND PALIN CAN RUN THIS COUNTRY,YOU ARE MAKING A GREAT MISTAKE.IT IS CLEAR AS IT LOOKS THAT AT THIS TIME OBAMA AND BIDEN WILL BE BETTER FOR US. IF YOU ARE SLEEPING PLEASE WAIT UP, READ BETWEEN THE LINES THE REPUBLICANS HAS PUT US IN THIS MESS WE ARE IN NOW. I WANT YOU THINK HARD ON NOV. 4 WHO WILL BE THE BETTER CHIOCE FOR ALL POEPLE NOT JUST SOME. PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL DO WHAT RIGHT NOT WHAT ALREADY WRONG……..
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Get one of those cool Flintstone cars. It’s kind of the four wheel moped and good exercise too.
You want a President that won’t grandstand and you’re supporting Obama??? Without grandstanding what would he be?
By getalife
September 27, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
LSU 24 MSU 10.
Will ya’ll hit that Bama quaterback please.
Ours is a Freshman but doing well.
Geaux Tigers!
By AJC/DNC Management
September 27, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
YOU ARE MAKING A GREAT MISTAKE.IT IS CLEAR AS IT LOOKS THAT AT THIS TIME OBAMA AND BIDEN WILL BE BETTER FOR US. IF YOU ARE SLEEPING PLEASE WAIT UP
Yes, be sure to “wait up” until November 5th, morons.
By RW-(the original)
September 27, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
getalife,
Never fear, the Dawgs just cut the lead to four touchdowns.
By Midori
September 27, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
suzmarino,
McCain never showed up at Capitol Hill for bailout negotiations today
Seems he’s been holed up in his apartment in Arlington all day.
Indeed.
By joe
September 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
OBAMA WON CLEARLY,
GROWING UP MY FATHER TOLD ME WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH ANOTHER MEN LOOK HIM IN THE EYES AND GET YOUR POINT ACROSS THAT YOU’RE STANDING ON FIRM GROUND…
MCCAIN HIMSELF THE WAR HERE WAS M.I.A IS OWN EXPERTISE HE WAS BEING ABUSED ON HIS LACK OF EYE CONTACT SHOWS THAT HE EITHER HAS A LOT HATE IN HIMSELF OR JUST HATES OBAMA
AMERICA I HOPE YOU SEE TROUGHT THIS AND VOTE WITH YOUR HEART IN NOVEMBER
By Aaron
September 27, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this
Please America,
We can’t take any more of your scary right-wing neo-apocalypse dictator-disguised-as-liberator crap.
You’re all going to vote for Obama, aren’t you? Surely, you want the world to… you know… actually like you again?
*crosses fingers& (Sydney, Australia)
By VG
September 28, 2008 12:26 AM | Link to this
obama is presidential very smart best suited for the president. He is very diplomatic, which is very important. McCain will make more enemies around the world and our nation will be at risk. we do not need more enemies, but we need more friends which will make America safer safer and prosperous. obama will make our country, more prosperous and safer without any doubt.
By GOPs got to go
September 28, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
About those gas shortages, I have a sister (retired from Exxon, Chem E) who lives in La Porte TX. This is right on Galveston Bay in a burb of Houston. You can see the refineries across the bay from her back yard. Her house is about 100 years old, so it probably has seen water at one time or another, but this was a bad one for her. The whole first floor was under water. I spoke to her a few days ago and she had just gotten running water, does not yet drink it, but can flush a toilet. By comparison, she only had minor damage from Rita. So I guess my point is there was a lot more actual damage from Ike than we realize. She got off luck as some of her neighbors only had a foundation left.
The good news is she has a lot of Exxon stock.
By GOPs got to go
September 28, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Aaron Aussie,
You can never underestimate the stupidity of some American voters. If Pavlov had used these humans in his experiments he would never have gotten his theory as it stands. They will continue to vote for the “Godliest” candidate regardless of the consequences. If only we had gotten the prisoners like you lucky Aussies.
By welshgirl
September 28, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
I’m British but have friends and family in the USA (California and New York to be precise) and they’re rooting for Obama to win. I’m hoping that Obama wins on the 4th of November as well. It was rumoured in the British media that Gordon Brown would like to see Obama become President. I think he would do a better job than McCain as he’s more ‘in touch’ so to speak with the American people unlike McCain and if McCain does get into power then he could die and then Sara Palin would become President. That is the last thing the Americans need, a bible basher who condemns abortion and even same sex marriages. America will go further down the drain if the Republicans win.
OBAMA FOR PRESDIENT!
By Phil Lee
September 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
McCain showed himself to be polished, knowledgeable, and experienced. He recounted actual situations and legislations that he had been involved with and that he had authored. All we have from Obama is talk and promises. So the presidential pick comes down to someone who is known, tested, and experienced versus someone who is running on promises.
By Phil Lee
September 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
McCain showed himself to be polished, knowledgeable, and experienced. He recounted actual situations and legislations that he had been involved with and that he had authored. All we have from Obama is talk and promises. So the presidential pick comes down to someone who is known, tested, and experienced versus someone who is running on promises.
By ANGELA JORDAN
September 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
I must say that I watched the debate in clear frustration.First of all I truly feel that Sen. Mccain is old and out of touch with reality.Mccain did nothing but rambling on about the past, throw cheap shots at Sen. Obama and went around in circles and Never clearly just came out and stated what HE WOULD DO in any given situation. And after waeching I will truly be changing my vote. Sen Obama is clearly stated and educated on the needs of this country mainly people like myself a reiterd ARMY middle class american.The only time Obama said anything negative about Mccain was in defense of himself, when that was always Se. Mccain’s lead to every question throwing stones at Obama. Sen.Obama is clear on his direction and I feel he has written out his blue print of his mission…. I have a husband ,son,daughter-in-law and nephews that need to come home to support their own country and families. U.S. needs to Let Iraq handle their own mess.Because were always in other countries problems instead of our own I’ve sat home for the last three years knowing that I am disabled because our government was out of touch and unclear on what’s really important those countries didn’t come on U.S. sole bothering us we went to them…
By ANGELA J
September 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
I must say that I watched the debate in clear frustration.First of all I truly feel that Sen. Mccain is old and out of touch with reality.Mccain did nothing but rambling on about the past, throw cheap shots at Sen. Obama and went around in circles and Never clearly just came out and stated what HE WOULD DO in any given situation. And after waeching I will truly be changing my vote. Sen Obama is clearly stated and educated on the needs of this country mainly people like myself a reiterd ARMY middle class american.The only time Obama said anything negative about Mccain was in defense of himself, when that was always Se. Mccain’s lead to every question throwing stones at Obama. Sen.Obama is clear on his direction and I feel he has written out his blue print of his mission…. I have a husband ,son,daughter-in-law and nephews that need to come home to support their own country and families. U.S. needs to Let Iraq handle their own mess.Because were always in other countries problems instead of our own I’ve sat home for the last three years knowing that I am disabled because our government was out of touch and unclear on what’s really important those countries didn’t come on U.S. sole bothering us we went to them…
By Nancy
September 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
If one had nothing else to go by, other than the choice of a running mate alone; that person who would be forced to take the helm of the country in the event that the President died through ill health: (easily the case with McCain), Then one could only conclude that McCain is an avid opportunist, who doesn’t give a damn about what happens to the country in the event he dies or is incapacitated..-His judgement is so faulty in this, that everything else is gravely suspect.
By Nancy
September 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
Also: I forget what his title was, but Obama was considered by his conervative classmates to be the one they truted the most to bring unity. He is clearly a man whose heart is in the right place and is well equiped with a head capable of following it. While McCain is a nasty person with a small mindedness that to me shows: As my grandfater used to say: “What you are speaks so loud-I can’t hear a word you say!”
By GOPs got to go
September 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
Dear Angela Jordan,
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou for your sacrifice. And thankyou for your families sacrifice as well. As the daughter of a retired Vietnam Marine veteran I have been in your shoes. I well remember my father, as the casualty officer, leaving the dinner table to inform some poor family of their loss. I remember watching the news every night with my mom, afraid.
God speed to your family coming home and I am definitely voting for Obama.
By Irish
September 29, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
The rebuttal of Kissinger is not necessary. Obama did NOT say that he would have a meeting with the President of Iran - he said he would have meetings with other repreesentatives of Iran. I taped the debate and he did NOT say what McCain claims. Again, McCain making false statements about Obama. McCain can’t win Obama using truthful statements, so he’ll attempt to confuse the audience (Americans) in order to manipulate you into voting for him. As for the debate, it was clearly Obama’s win. McCain offered NOTHING in the way of how is chooses to handle Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, the economy, unemployment, health insurance and the middle class. He didn’t EVEN recognize the middle class. His entire summation on the economy was about earmarks - and that was clearly debunked when Obama stated 300 million to big corporations through tax cuts vs. 18 million in earmarks. As with foreign policy - Obama clearly stated his intentions as to how he would treat the war, prevent wars, soothe our reputation with foreign countries, spend wisely, etc. McCain simply tired the audience with continued self-promotion of his service, providing history lessons, and slinging nasty little comments at Obama. He would have been much more effective had he gone into what he would DO for America - not what he’s done. Obama took the debate hands down and will take the Presidency as well. This election would be a landslide had Obama been white, but clearly racism exists because the polls aren’t reflecting a landslide. America would prefer to destroy what’s left rather than elect a black man. How dispicable is that?
By cindy
September 29, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
PLease no more Republicain. Any smart person who watch that debate will vote for Obama not McCain he’s not the one for this Country, Voting for McCain it’s love having another Bush, enough is enough. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT AMEN