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Obama reclaims lead in polls

By Jay Bookman | Thursday, September 18, 2008, 01:09 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Well, the latest Gallup tracking numbers have just been released, showing Obama up 4 points. Yesterday he was up 2 points, the day before that by one.

A week ago, he was down by five.

There are a lot of possible explanations for that movement — the race returning to its natural state after two post-convention bounces, Sarah Palin not wearing very well on closer examination, distaste for McCain’s say-anything strategy or the fiasco on Wall Street focusing attention on economics issues. If it’s the economy, I think you will see the gap grow larger, because the Gallup poll is a rolling three-day poll, meaning it includes results from Monday, before the Wall Street mess really began to take hold.

Other polls also show considerable movement toward Obama — Ramussen has it tied, CBS/NYTimes gives Obama a five-point lead.

It’s a long way from over, and one week from tomorrow, the first presidential debate, at the University of Mississippi.

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By Mike

September 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

LOL. Jay should get a job with the “news” side of the AJC. He reports on polls in the same way. Namely, polls he likes are given headlines and polls he doesn’t like are ignored.

When is Jay going to give us a rundown of his opinion of Obama’s foreign policy experience? We know that he considers such experience of primary concern with Palin. Why does he not address Obama’s commensurate paucity of experience? You know. Be consistent about anything?

By getalife

September 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

The debates should be good with McLiar losing it and his positions are all over the place.

By Bosch

September 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to see Obama wipe the floor with McCain in the debates.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

I have no idea why you libs should be looking forward to the presidential debates.

You are going to be road kill.

bwa

By mike hussein smith

September 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

What do the recent polls show? The chickens are coming home to roost for the Republican Party — but the voters aren’t.

By Montrell

September 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

It’s no surprise—after every heard about this palin character, they got the message. Obama’s going to win this election easy and all these racist republicans will now be taking orders from the brothers in DC!!

By Bosch

September 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Andy,

We are looking forward to the debates because Obama will get to call McCain on his lies. He’ll actually have to talk about the issues instead of distracting people with his b/s.

By Mark

September 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Jay, I think you mean University of Mississippi

By Mark

September 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Jay, I think you mean the University of Mississippi

By Truth

September 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Montrell used the reace card…. what a shame….

And as for the debates… let’s just see if EITHER of them give specifics and not just broad answers.

By Truth

September 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

RACE card… sorry

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Mark,

I think Jay said Missouri because he’s obsessed with Governor Palin and the VP debate takes place in Missouri, although not at the University of Missouri.

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Here’s a poll Jay left out

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That thread below is certainly proving my point from earlier today. Long cut and pastes from one lib staying right in place and another lib throwing around the n word without a care in the world.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I never doubted it for a minute!

I am so proud to be able to cast my precious vote for Barack Obama

God Bless America!

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

One can easily see that the more liberal the entity conducting the poll, the better Obama’s numbers. Its easy to shift the lead in a pool by slding the sample, my bet is that the cheerleaders (i.e. the most liberal of those conduicting said polls) shifted the sample to favor Obama. Ridiculous you say, no way, remember the way the pollsters slanted the exit polls to show John Kerry with a landslide victory in 2004. Dead cat bounce for Obama.

By Truth

September 18, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

I am not calling BS on these polls, but I was just wondering how these polls work. I have never been polled. Just curious…

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

By Bosch September 18, 2008 1:51 PM Andy, We are looking forward to the debates because Obama will get to call McCain on his lies. He’ll actually have to talk about the issues instead of distracting people with his b/s.

Bosch: We are all now assuming that Oblahma will not curl up into a fetal position when they take his teleprompter from him.

I think you should clear that little hurdle first.

Then, you must hope that he doesn’t turn loose a hour long stream of “uhs” and “ums” like he’s been known to do, like every time he has no teleprompter.

Maybe that will be good enough for y’all, who knows?

By Midori

September 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

RIGHT THERE WITH YOU, BOSCH AND MRS. G!!!

By GMAN

September 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives love polls when they seem to be in their favor but denounce them when they’re not. There’s so much SPIN coming from the Right that even their candidates are getting dizzy. Just like in 1992… IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

Bush/McCain - Gambling with Your children’s futures!

By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

September 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

I am not a conservative; I am a liberal.

By Lady Rothschild

September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Obama made some good points with his financial comments and utilizing Paul Volker’s endorsement. He should be picking up points in the media. Too bad he is an elitist arrogant, condescending bucket of tripe.

I am Hillary Clinton and I approve this message.

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

The University of Mississippi debate is also on domestic issues.

Obambi is going to be in real trouble when he finds out his teleprompter has been lying to him about just which one of them has tried to nip this little housing fiasco in the bud and which one of them has a campaign chock full of the crooks that have ripped us off for hundreds of millions of dollars.

By G

September 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

The only logical choice,

OBAMA/BIDEN ‘08!!!!!!

By Swami Dave

September 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Jay:

There are still a number of shifts and turns that these campaigns will have to navigate, but I do think that your celebration is a bit premature.

1) Senator Obama still has to explain how he intends to implement a tax increase (specifically as it relates to capital gains) onto already challenged financial markets that need investor investment & activity. Increased taxation serves to minimize investment activity; which would be the wholy -wrong- thing to do.

2) Senator Obama still has to explain why he was busy becoming the #2 receipent of contributions from those associated with Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac (even though he had been in Washington less than most of the rest. While he’s at it, he’ll need to explain why two of his top economic advisors were individuals at the middle of the scandal. It will be especially interesting to note that while he was collecting money & schmoozing with the morons or crooks (take your pick) at the center of the debacle, John McCain was co-sponsoring legislation that might have prevented much of it.

3) Senator Obama is going to have to explain why he (and his party) continue to obstruct the will of the America people by refusing to address the energy issue in a realistic way. Outside of the liberal kooks in Hollywood or the policy wonks in Washington, the American people recognize that our challenges with energy are issues of supply that must be addressed.

…and as an update to our previous discussions, I note that there seems to be more and more attention from publications and commentators focusing attention on the mortgages & instruments within those packages held by the now-struggling institutions. Apparently, more and more people are realizing that the current situation is a combination of improper leverage / risk management procedures of packages made up of loans that should have never been made.

-Swami Dave

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Remember a few weeks ago when the energy crisis was on everybody’s minds and the Dhimmicrat Congress tackled it by going on vacation?

It likes they’re going to reprise that tactic for the credit/housing mess.

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) — The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn’t equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can’t agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way.

One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that “no one knows what to do” at the moment.

No serious person could possibly vote for these clowns.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

By GMAN September 18, 2008 2:17 PM It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives love polls when they seem to be in their favor but denounce them when they’re not.

Uh, Girlieman, perhaps you should wait until we denounce the polls, you reckon?

Did anybody else notice how Jay didn’t bother shaking the See B.S. and Treason Times polls at us, he waited until Gallup came out?

I can just imagine what those pinkos at the two rags are asking now, “will you vote for Thee Chosen One, Oblahma or are you a racist?”

bwa.

By R M Pierce

September 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

The link above to a contrasting poll has the following caveat…not as recent as the one’s spoke of in this column. “We have 38 presidential polls today due to a large number of new ARG polls. The results are given below. The upshot is that John McCain has taken the lead in the electoral college 274 to 243. However, there are three large caveats. First, 13 states worth, 166 electoral votes, are statistical ties. If we look only at the states where one of the candidate’s has a lead of 5% or more, Obama has 188 EVs to McCain’s 184. In other words, it is very close (again this year). Second, McCain has not taken a single Kerry state from Obama while Obama has taken two states from those Bush won in 2004 (Iowa and New Mexico). Pennsylvania is currently a tie. Third, all these polls were taken before the meltdown on Wall St. Polls taken a week from now could look quite different.”

By ByteMe

September 18, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Yes, RW, better that they screw things up by doing something so you can razz them for that, right? ;-)

By Paige

September 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Obama, Obama, he’s the man, if he can’t do it nobody can!

OBAMA/BIDEN ‘08

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Now that’s a new one….likes should be looks like in my 2:39.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hell RW,

McLiar wants a commission and the gop would block or w veto any regulations the Dems propose.

Might as well go home, it is broken.

By jasper

September 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Thank God the polls have turned back. The incessant whining and moaning has been a complete drag. You dramacrats are a pathetic bunch without your makeup. You guys are far more entertaining when you’re not depressed. I mean, I just haven’t felt that great about kicking a dog when its down. So congrats on your little popularity contest. Now puhlease try to get back on task explaining why Obama is not an empty suit.

By GMAN

September 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Poor AJC/DNC Management, or is that AC/DC. You proved my point. It must be the SPIN cycle of the Bazarro World you guys live in!

Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures!

By Dusty

September 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Ah I can hear it now..the great debate…

Sen. McLi..I err McClain errr McCain..while we are here in Mississippi err no err Missouri, the err err (please move that teleprompter closer, thank you).

Now er re yes, about those lies you told er.. back in er…yes that year. You did not fool me one minute. I voted “present” on that issue and I am here to err… restate my brave position of “present”.

Now, Sen. McL.. er Lain er McCain, I know all 65 states, Alaska and the Harvard Review will vote for the STRONG me, but er.. what is your question? I mean er… er your reply??

Now people, I stand for small change err.. big change and McClain cannot answer a simple question I asked. I tell you I have big change, mostly in my pocket, and big handouts for you. That beats YOUR handouts, McLain!!

I have only ONE doghouse. Do you EVEN know how many doghouses you have McClain?? How many subprime mortgages you have on them???NOOOOOO ..I thought so!!(applause!.) This is not a bone to pick! This is a dog in the manger in Mississippi! I’m the errr… “big dog” here and the press has been instructed about that fact. I give you the floor, McLain.

Take it!!! Take it!! Please!! (I’ll be back in just a minute. Where is the men’s r…)

By Soothsayer

September 18, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

McSame/Painin 08—we’re going to bring about change and change all those things we didn’t change before we changed now that we have changed. Got it?

You know I thought if I had to look at Bush’s smirk one more time, I would puke. But now, that Sarah Palin’s voice is like fingernails on a blackboard! How would you like to be married to her? OK, don’t answer that last question.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Ya’ know Obama thinks while he speaks, carefully selects the words he uses. When you do that you don’t make major gaffes.

Like ruining our relationship with Spain.

Or confusing Sunni or Shia

Or saying the fundamentals of our economy are strong.

Or that whole 10 house thing.

McCain opens his mouth before he engages his brain. That get’s him and potentially the Nation into deep doo-doo.

America has been down that road before and as we stand here before the cliff that last dummy brought us to…I am very proud to support a candidate who is extremely well educated and who speaks carefully

By Soothsayer

September 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I have a suggestion for you: charge a fee for Wooten crossovers to post on your blog. Heck, the AJC will be rolling in bucks before you know it. Not only that, but AJC/DNC Management/RW-(the original)/Bud Wiser/and all the rest of his cast of characters will broke and standing in the soup line with the rest of us in no time!

By "The Corporal"

September 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

The pundits are saying if Obama is not elected that will prove the United States is still a racist nation and there could be trouble in the streets. What does that make Hillary for trying to keep him from getting the nomination?

Sarah Palin and Barack Obama - the Margaret Thatcher and Neville Chamberlain of America.

By Dusty

September 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Yes, Mrs. godzie,

Obama does err …….. speake e….ca…re…fuu…lly and

he……th..anks… you ou ou o for your…..er…supporters.

By Say It Ain't So

September 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

You’re right Mrs. G, The O’man really does think before he speaks. Now, please refresh our memory, how many states was that again that he has visited? Was that 57 with 3 more to go??

On the house question, Mrs. G, how many screwdrivers do you own? Better check with mister G. first, he probably has more screwdrivers than you know about.

By Jasper

September 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G - you mean things like “typical white people”, and “clinging to their guns and religion”, and “can i just finish my waffle”.

So Obama engages his brain on issues as long as its not about racism, disdain for working class people, or just plain dodging a dificult question. Then he’s just speaking from the heart.

By Truth

September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla…. or the 57 states?

By ByteMe

September 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Corporal, let us know when those so-called “pundits” start working for CNN or even FOX News and not out in wacky blogland.

By Soothsayer

September 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

When the only tool you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail to you.

—Anonymous

To the Corporal: All the right loves to villify Neville Chamberlain but before you do that you should consider one thing—Great Britain was to Germany as we are to Russia or China.

The US had passed any number of laws preventing our involvement in a European war. Therefore the British could count our help.

As they say, “discretion is the better part of valor.” I wonder how much bravado you would have if you were staring down Russia or China. Especially knowing that millions of lives would be lost.

By Phillips

September 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Senior Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel has voiced doubts about Sarah Palin’s qualifications for the Vice-Presidency.

Hagel said John McCain’s running mate doesn’t have any foreign policy credentials.

Hagel was a prominent supporter of McCain during his 2000 bid for the presidency.

He said he thinks it’s a stretch to, in any way, say that she’s got the experience to be president of the United States. She has made only a few trips abroad.

“You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don’t know what you can say. You can’t say anything.”

Hagel also criticized the McCain campaign for its suggestion that the proximity of Alaska to Russia gave Palin foreign policy experience.

“I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, ‘I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia’,” he said.

“That kind of thing is insulting to the American people.”

A senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Hagel was a close ally of McCain, but the two men parted ways over the decision to go to war in Iraq.

Hagel skipped this year’s Republican National Convention in favor of a visit to Latin America.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 18, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Dusty

You are such a delight!

Say it ain’t so

Ever work a 26 hour day? Taken a 12 country in 3 day tour of Europe?

I use the screwdrivers and hammers and wire strippers and paintbrushes and wrenches at our house. I’m still restricted from the power saws though.

Jasper

You have all the depth a coffee saucer!

By "The Corporal"

September 18, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

To ByteMe

It was on the CNN website yesterday. Just ask Jay. I sent him a copy personally.

By Soothsayer

September 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Sorry, the British could not count on our help.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected, University of Mississippi. My apologies to the Ole Miss alumni out there. I was on my way to the dentist for a broken tooth when I posted and I was … a bit distracted.

That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

And RW, I’ll take a look below. Posting and monitoring on this blog account for 15-20 percent of my responsibilities, so I’m by no means constantly monitoring….

By GodHatesTrash

September 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

If Obama is somehow elected, he should thank George Herbert Hoover Walker Bush.

But I’m not counting out the voting power of America’s idiot rednekkks just yet.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Well, it looks like the economy is back off the table:

Wall Street surged higher Thursday, with the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government is considering creation of a repository for banks’ bad debt.

All the capitalists needed to know was that the dhimmocrat led Congress was bailing out of town.

So we got the party started.

bwa

By CJ

September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Either McCain doesn’t know that Spain is located in Europe or he doesn’t know that Spain is a NATO ally, currently fighting with us in Afghanistan.

Either way, he’s an idiot, and God-willing, the American people will demonstrate to his campaign staff in November that we aren’t as stupid as they think we are.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Oh, and Stalker Mike?

The last time I posted on the polls was Sept. 7.

The headline? “Hmm. McCain gets nice bounce.”

The opening sentence?

“John McCain has overtaken Barack Obama in the Gallup daily tracking poll and has his highest level of support in that poll since early May.”

By "The Corporal"

September 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

To ByteMe

I read a news account yesterday where Obama told his supporters at a rally regarding “independents” to argue and get in their face. That’s nice.

Remember, how tense this country was during the Gore/Bush thing - awaiting all the rulings, etc. If Obama loses by a very slim margin let’s hope cooler heads prevail.

By CJ

September 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

From RW’s Bloomberg link above: “Senator Johnny Isakson,…scoffed at suggestions that lawmakers postpone adjournment to rewrite laws governing the financial markets…’The last thing you need,” he said, ‘are 535 people, not many of whom are that well-versed in financial markets, trying to do quick fixes to a market correction that’s one of the more significant that we’ve ever seen.’”

Isakson agrees with Reid. Give it a rest.

By Truth

September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

What is so wrong with being a redneck? Seriously… Some of the best men I know are good ole boys from the south that drive trucks, listen to country music, drink domestic beer, etc….

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

While you’re at it the 2:43 is a cut and paste with virtually no commentary and the second 3:42 is a complete cut and paste with no commentary.

By Soothsayer

September 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

“The folks who say the housing market will stabilize anytime soon must be smoking some really strong stuff.”

Friends, we are just now at the beginning.

By Booger

September 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

The Corporal ‘s just itching for a race fight, isn’t he. He wants one so bad.

Makes you wonder whether that lawsuit alleging racism in the Secret Service has any merit…

By jasper

September 18, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Mrs G - You resort to personal insults, and call me shallow. I won’t lower msyelf to the level of those that hate me. Someone famous said that.

By Paul

September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) & CJ

[[One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is that “no one knows what to do” at the moment.]]

[[’The last thing you need,” he said, ‘are 535 people, not many of whom are that well-versed in financial markets, trying to do quick fixes to a market correction that’s one of the more significant that we’ve ever seen.’”]]

Ummm, is this another way for the Senate Majority leader (and Congress) to say economics “is not something I’ve understood as well as I should. … I truthfully don’t know the answer to that. …”?

Oh wait, that was McCain.

But on this issue, Obama attacks “Bush policies” and McCain attacks greedy CEOs and corporations. When is Obama going to learn he’s not running against Bush and he’s not running against Palin? McCain takes the populist approach. I’d guess Obama will come out on top simply because it happened on a Republican administration’s watch. Congress will deny any responsibility - already has - which is not something an administration can do. But the advantage that will accrue is seriously less than what’s possible because Obama has trouble with target identification and McCain knows the appeal of populism for someone from a corporate party who wants to play the rebel.

By ByteMe

September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

Corporal, the whole quote from the AP article:

In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

“And if they tell you that, ‘Well, we’re not sure where he stands on guns.’ I want you to say, ‘He believes in the Second Amendment.’ If they tell you, ‘Well, he’s going to raise your taxes,’ you say, ‘No, he’s not, he’s going lower them.’ You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.”

Out of context, it sounds bad. In context, it sounds like a rallying cry given at a political rally.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

They found a new and creative way for banks to rid debts.

Paulson and the Treasury will eat the losses. Another bailout.

Too funny, the market rebounds.

England has banned short trading.

Who bails out our government?

Future generations.

By Liar-loan McCain

September 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

Liar-loan McCain caused the AIG mess.

All liar-loan conservatives caused it with Liar-loan McCain in the lead.

Do you know what business AIG is in? Insuring Liar-loans from liars like Liar-loan McCain.

I hate liars, especially Liar-loan McCain. Notice you have to identify a liar with three names, like an assassin? Lee Harvey Oswald. John Wilkes Booth. Liar-loan McCain.

ISAIDLIAR-LOANMCCAIN!!

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

CJ,

Isakson is nearly as clueless as Reid. If Congress wants to resign the 535 seats that they claim to be too clueless to hold anyway, it’s fine by me. We can kick all incumbents off the ballot and start next year with a whole new batch.

By "The Corporal"

September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

To ByteMe and Booger

Cheap shot Booger but that’s o.k. I was used to it then and I expect it now. In fact, you help prove my point that the “liberal” electorate is always a little more “volatile” when they don’t get there way - in other words, they’re much more likely to “demonstrate” over their issues. I’ll leave it at that.

This has the capacity to be a real issue. If you don’t think law enforcement is worried about it (pre & post election) you have your head in the sand. Am I (and was I) a conservative? You bet. And I always prided myself on doing an equal job for both sides. In fact, personally I went overboard with a “liberal” protectee just to make sure I left no stone unturned for their security. But then I don’t expect you to believe or understand that. It’s called professionalism.

By the way Booger, here’s a little something the AJC published for me last year ……….

“Having retired from the U.S. Secret Service after 27 years of service, I feel compelled to respond to “Secret Service on bias hot seat” (12/8/07, AJC). Space does not permit me to address all of the issues involved except for three important points. First, to allege any type of discrimination is easy and often far from the truth. Second, it is my understanding the great majority of African-American Secret Service agents past and present did not desire to become part of this civil suit. Third, during my 14 years as a supervisor in the Atlanta Field Office I served under five Special Agents in Charge who were among the finest public servants and people I have ever known. Two were African-American.”

By tiff

September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Montrell your 1:48 comments spewing all that garbage about whites taking orders from us blacks is just republican BS. We all know you are not black, you say these things to cause turmoil between blacks and whites. To try and make whites think if they elect Obama/Biden blacks are gonna take over. Not gonna work this time. Obama has said this election is about change, and I for one believe him. So why don’t you crawl back under the rock from which you came. Tell the right-wing hate machine it’s not gonna work this time. Besides blacks don’t refer to each other as brothers anymore, or didn’t you get the memo.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

Shut it down and start over?

Mmmmm, looks like something I opined.

Anyhoo, we are collapsing like the Soviet Union.

Might be a good time for some breakaway regions to form their own country.

How about all wingnuts go to Alaska and Palin can be queen of the wingnuts?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Jasper,

I’m sorry. You are right. I should not have called you shallow.

I should have kept what I thought about you to myself.

Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

OMG, private was in the secret service.

Post a picture with a liberal client.

By april

September 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Obama doesn’t sound quite as lame now that he’s using the teleprompter for any public speaking. Also, his liberal converts are sparing no expense in their expressions of ageism, sexism and lies, which they stepped up when Obama was down in the polls. Their panic turned to violent stereotyping and character assasination. As a result of their hate-filled propaganda, they are alienating friends and loved ones in hopes of pulling in a few more votes for the almighty obama. The cruelty in their attacks has made me wonder if I really knew some of these people that I’ve considered loved ones. They feel lost to me now. Thich Nhat Hahn talks about the need for a cause to be pure, not violated by hate for the opponent. There’s way too much hate going on, and right now I’m seeing the democrats as the perpetrators.

By jasper

September 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G you’re still a class act. Somewhere deep down, I’m happy for you. Your dude won today. Tomorrow’s another day. til then.

By CJ

September 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Paul said, “When is Obama going to learn he’s not running against Bush and he’s not running against Palin?”

No, Obama’s not running against Bush.

Yes, he’s running against both McCain and Palin.

Yes, Obama’s running against Bush’s policies that are taking this country into third-world status: large tax cuts the wealthy, tiny tax cuts for the middle class, more deficits and debt, more free trade to move jobs overseas where workers can be abused and exploited, more tax incentives to move jobs overseas, more no-bid contracts for the politically connected, “more wars” (McCain’s own words), more activist judges (despite the right’s claims to the contrary) who will dismiss the right to privacy and overturn Roe v. Wade, continued exploitation of U.S. workers, less safe cars/toys/food/water, continued lies and abuse of power…

In summary, more of the same.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

New to the blogs april?

Sounds like somebody close is voting for Obama.

Folks on the left and right spew hatred for the Clintons.

Welcome to the blogoshere.

By @@

September 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

jay’s “pole” dancing?

Yippeee……me too!

There appears to be a gap of between 10 and 20 points between how voters see the parties and what they think of the candidates. Between one-tenth and one-fifth of America’s voters feel that the Democratic Party would be the best for the country but like the McCain-Palin ticket better.

By seven points, they identify as Democrats more than Republicans. But by 16 points, they say that if they faced the “toughest decision of your life” they would go to McCain rather than Obama for advice.

They think the Democrats will do better on healthcare by 19 points, but by 20 points they think McCain is more qualified than Obama to be president.

They prefer the Democrats to deal with the economy by four points (down from 10 a few months ago) but feel — by eight points — that the Republicans better understand what it is like to live day by day in America.

While they are more likely to vote Democrat for Congress, they rate Obama as more of a talker than a doer by 20 points and rate McCain the opposite by 15 and, by nine points, they think the Republican ticket has the better judgment than the Democratic nominees.

Bump in a dump till you’re dead.

Kid you gotta have a gimmick

If you wanna get ahead.

You can uh…You can uh…

You can uh…uh…uh…

That’s how Burlesque was born.

So he uh…and he uh…

And he uh…uh…uh…

Tah dah.

By getalife

September 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

The latest bail out is pushing the total of socialism over $1 trillion.

But, Congress is working to throw you another bone in a second economic stimulus package.

Crazy.

By lee

September 18, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

I was going to vote for Obama, but I just realized that in the next few years I will be inheriting a large piece of land, and obama wants me to pay 45% of the land value to the government. I’ll have to end up selling my families land to pay the taxes, and all of that history goes away. McCain wants me to pay only 15%, which I can probably do, but 45%, no way.

Look up the estate tax Obama is proposing. He will be taking away from a lot of people, hardworking people who saved for their families, and have had land and houses for generations. Now they won’t be able to afford it if they inherit it. Me included…

By Frederick Douglass

September 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Shh, if you listen closely, you can hear Sarah Palin exploding in McCain’s Face. High comedy indeed, trailing in the polls, economy tanking, and he’s lashed himself to an idiot. I’m trying to work on my race card issus, but I thought the master race was smarter than that.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

September 18, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

I’ll just rehash my post from a previous poll column. Doesn’t matter if a poll shows Obama ahead or McCain ahead. Reporting polls are just the media commenting on a horse race. The only poll that counts is November 4. It’s final and binding.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) September 18, 2008 4:09 PM While you’re at it the 2:43 is a cut and paste with virtually no commentary and the second 3:42 is a complete cut and paste with no commentary.

Oh come on RW, be serious.

I’m mean you know those rules only apply to me.

By Liar-loan McCain

September 18, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Hey Sarah. (a song sung to the tune of Que Sera).

When I was just a city mayor, I asked my council what pork should be. Will it corrupt us, will it impede, here’s what they said to me. Hey Sarah Sarah, your future is ours to grease, as long as you are discreet. Hey Sarah Sarah.

When I was just a governor, I asked Alaska should we secede

Should we be sovereign, should we be free, here’s what they said to me

Hey Sarah Sarah, you cant mess with liberty, the country’s not ours to bleed, Hey Sarah Sarah.

When I became the first FemVeep, I asked my ticket what should I be? Should I be graceful, should I be sweet, or should I be Hillary? Hey Sarah, Sarah, (everybody sing), the future’s not ours to see, depends on Diebold’s tally, Hey Sarah Sarah.

What we’ll be we’ll be.

By Truth

September 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Frederick… I give you credit… You seem to be getting better, but you just had to say it didnt you? lol You will get there. Just dont give up!

By Paul

September 18, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Hello CJ 4:59

I heard Obama use the “Bush-McCain” tie-in at a rally during the primaries. I thought it intellectually dishonest but the audience loved it. Strategy appeared to be to transfer Bush dislike onto McCain, something problematic for one who has so often been at odds with Bush. But Obama thinks it effective. I have my doubts. But all many people hear is “Bush” or “Palin.” The target is McCain – and he should be specifically addressed.

Large tax cuts for the wealthy? You mean not rescinding the top-tier cuts? I think that’s a mistake but Obama just said with the economy the way it is he may have to delay that for a lonnnnnng time. So the difference between the two is….

More free trade: you may want to review which party championed free trade, which Democratic president pushed it, and what circumstances other than political caused the Democratic party to shift. Hint: it has nothing to do with trying to convince a couple of union states with job losses to vote for him. Nothing at all.

No-bid contracts: do you happen to have any references, any, where McCain has spoken in favor of abuses associated with this type of contracting procedure? Better yet, any specific proposals by Obama to change this? Even better yet, any legislation proposed by the Democratic Congress the last two years to change the law? (Indignant speeches don’t count). Those contracts generally followed the law during award. Don’t like it, change the law. Democratic Congress, hello?

More wars? Do you happen to have a cite? I’m not familiar with that one. I am, familiar, though, with Sen Biden calling for more invasions of Moslem countries and Sen Obama calling for invasion of Pakistan, regardless of what their government wants. So it seems either ticket will give us more wars, yes? (providing you have a cite for McCain).

By CJ

September 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

“[Obama] will be taking away from a lot of people, hardworking people who saved for their families…”

lee @5:10,

You left a couple of critical pieces of data out of your comment:

First, Obama’s not proposing to raise the estate tax; he’s proposing to leave it at precisely the rate already in effect when he would take office (January 2009).

Second, and more importantly, you conveniently left out the fact that the estate tax only applies to the portion of estates valued at more than $3.5 million. 99 percent of us won’t ever inherit property worth anywhere near that much.

Contrary to your assertion, those “hardworking people who saved for their families” will not have anything taken from them under any estate tax because, as you know, they are dead. Since dead people don’t own anything, dead people don’t pay taxes.

Those who inherit such estates (i.e. those who would be taxed) did not receive such inheritances through “hard work”. Rather, such heirs are lucky to be the sons/daughters/grandsons/granddaughters/great grandsons/great grandaughters/etcetera of people who worked hard. Such heirs drink from the same water supply, breathe the same air, drive on the same roads and expressways, and benefit from the same economic infrastructure that give us a better standard of living than most other countries. Therefore, such heirs should pay the same taxes on their inheritances as those of us who set our alarms and go to work every day pay on our earned income (our customers also paid taxes on their income before they purchased our goods and services…double-taxation…what’s new?).

By Liar-loan McCain

September 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Sarah. (a song sung to the tune of Que Sera).

When I was just a city mayor, I asked my council what pork should be. Will it corrupt us, will it impede, here’s what they said to me. Hey Sarah Sarah, your future is ours to grease, as long as you are discreet. Hey Sarah Sarah.

When I was just a governor, I asked Alaska should we secede

Should we be sovereign, should we be free, here’s what they said to me

Hey Sarah Sarah, you cant mess with liberty, the country’s not ours to bleed, Hey Sarah Sarah.

When I became the first FemVeep, I asked my ticket what should I be? Should I be graceful, should I be sweet, or should I be Hillary? Hey Sarah, Sarah, (everybody sing), the future’s not ours to see, depends on Diebold’s tally, Hey Sarah Sarah.

What we’ll be we’ll be.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

September 18, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

to lee @ 5:10

This is a problem a good many people face, rural people especially. You can’t hang on to the family farm or land because you can’t afford the taxes. (We are talking about inheritance tax here but property tax figures into the mix as well). This would probably also apply to people inheriting small businesses.

Let’s look at this one way. Taxes were paid on the income which enabled your family to buy the land to begin with. Each and every year property taxes have been paid on this land according to something called “fair market value”, which is some assessor’s opinion of what it is worth. No matter that it might be land that is sitting there as 100% green space, you will most likely be taxed at a rate determined from what the property would be worth if it were sold for a development project. (Of course we also pay taxes so that gov’t can acquire green space while they are taxing people off land that is green space.) If your family has owned this say 50-100 years they have paid thousand of dollars in property taxes over the years. So when you inherit the land then you are faced with a huge tax bill. I’ve seen it time after time people losing the family land.

Some say this only will affect the rich. This actually doesn’t affect the rich at all. They have the means and the know how to shelter their holdings from all this. Like most other things it’s the little guy who pays.

I guess this is technically off topic but in my opinion no more so than many other things I see.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

This guy will be getting out just in time for Sarah’s second term as president:

Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin’s personal e-mail account, the newspaper reported on its Web site this afternoon.

The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation Wednesday into the hacking, according to the Associated Press.

Buh bye.

By Liar-loan McCain

September 18, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Taxes R NEVER offtopic, hillbilly deluxe.

McCain will cut taxes for the rich.

Obama will cut taxes for the poor.

C the diff, Biff? It depends on the mill, Bill.

Obama 08: America takes over, Rover.

By Paul

September 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Liar-loan McCain 5:49

How can Obama cut taxes for the poor, when the poor don’t pay Federal income tax?

By Frederick Douglass

September 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

Truth, as a matter of record, I checked myself into a facility to try and get a handle on my race card issues. Like any addiction, its a day to day struggle, so when I see a plum, I can’t resist picking it.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

Calling people racists and hacking into your opponent’s email account, my, oh my, the Oblahma Smear Machine is hard at work.

Some things they just never “change.”

By Liar-loan McCain

September 18, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

I’m poor, and I pay federal income tax. Just some free advice: dont go tweeking the IRS’s nose on blogs. I work part time for the IRS, (seasonally), and the first thing you have to sign is a promise you will not try to rat out someone you know and hate, and abuse the IRS for your own personal vendettas. I signed it.

But stfu anyway, Claude.

Obama 08: America takes over, Claude.

By GodHatesTrash

September 18, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Never misunderestimate the stupidity and racism of red state, rural, and suburban voters.

Hensley-McCain/L-o-l-a in November. Morons elect other morons.

Game over Obama.

Game over America?

Stay tuned, probably won’t be long…

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

Polly works for the IRS, eh?

And blogs 24/7/365 too.

Looks like I need to file a concerned citizen’s complaint.

I am the boss after all.

Government corruption right before our very eyes.

By RW-(the original)

September 18, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Obamas running mate said that paying more taxes makes you a patriot. That’s another strange tactic, questioning the patriotism of the 95% you claim you are going to cut taxes on.

It’s going to be interesting to see how Obama works out the answer to whether he’s going to delay his supposed tax cuts along with postponing the tax increases for “the rich.” Of course it would require that we had a media that cared about news gathering.

And for gosh sakes people, you could have 500 Billion dollars stuffed in your mattress (you might need a little extra space) and as long as you didn’t work you wouldn’t pay taxes on it and the goverment would classify you as poor. So we can at least change this “tax cuts for the rich” lunacy?

By getalife

September 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

“Chairman Bernanke says in private meeting that Fed has lost control of the economy

“We have lost control,” said economist David Hale, quoting Bernanke. “We cannot stabilize the dollar. We cannot control commodity prices.”

Um, uh, OMG.

If you have money in the bank, you may want to get it out.

Geez.

By Paul

September 18, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Liar Loan McCain

I was using Federal guidelines for poverty as defining “poor.” Interesting thing is, many families in the ill-defined middle class pay little-to-no income tax, thanks to the Bush tax cuts.

Much of what gets touted by Sen Obama is not a tax cut (reduction in tax) or rebate (return of tax paid) - it’s a payment based on income. So a family earning N thousand a year, who pays no tax but gets a check for $N is in the category many erroneously say is getting a tax cut.

So a family that makes above average income is going to have part of their money sent to another middle to lower class family. Even though they don’t pay any Fed income tax to begin with.

I’m kinda thinking of voting for the ticket that offers me the highest bribe. Works for Congress…

By "The Corporal"

September 18, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

To getalife

Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush: Use your imagination.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: You are asking a predominately dhimmocrat blog if they have any money in the bank?

Bwahahahahahahahaha, good one, man.

By CJ

September 18, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly said, “So when you inherit the land then you are faced with a huge tax bill. I’ve seen it time after time people losing the family land.”

No he has not “seen it time after time (unless he’s hangs out almost exclusively with a bunch of multi-millionaire landowners who are all, coincidentally, cash poor).

This story a myth (see my post at 5:36). These guys continue to pretend that there isn’t a multi-million dollar exemption on the estate tax, that landowners are usually cash poor (they’re not) and that somehow tax breaks on inherited income is justified at the expense of the rest of us who earn most of our income.

By Paul

September 18, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) 6:11

I like to look at candidate statements and situations and evaluate them on their face - not according to who said it or the party. I also like to imagine reaction if the same thing had been said or done by the other candidate.

If McCain had said those who pay taxes are patriotic (not an exact quote by how Obama’s advertisers would spin it) or he was going to delay getting more money from the Greedy Class, the outrage and talking points would be out immediately.

By @@

September 18, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

Nooo she did…..n’t!

Don’t vote for a candidate because she’s cute?

How about don’t vote for a candidate whose manboobs are bigger than his wife’s?

I’m not sure how that bust is gonna fly with the American public.

By CJ

September 18, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

John McCain “More wars.”

Enjoy!

By AJC/DNC Management

September 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Quite y’all, hear your next president:

Senator Obama talks a tough game on the financial markets but the facts tell a different story. He took more money from Fannie and Freddie than any Senator but the Democratic chairman of the committee that regulates them. He put Fannie Mae’s CEO who helped create this disaster in charge of finding his Vice President. Fannie’s former General Counsel is a senior advisor to his campaign. Whose side do you think he is on? When I pushed legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Senator Obama was silent. He didn’t lift a hand to avert this crisis. While the leaders of Fannie and Freddie were lining the pockets of his campaign, they were sowing the seeds of the financial crisis we see today and enriching themselves with millions of dollars in payments. That’s not change, that’s what’s broken in Washington.

I thought you were going to get in our face?

Not our pockets.

By lookilu

September 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

What ever is meant to be will be. Polls smolls…let’s see if people want to trust a new Kennedy or Clinton type. Mccain doesn’t have all the answers, but neither does Obama. Visionary as history shows go down in history as the better presidential sitting regardless of issues and plans and or economic conditions. People thought Kennedy was nuts for wanting to put a man on the moon. Mccain is not bold enough to come up with an out of the box idea like that-just excerpts of the same old speech Bush gave at his nomination(check Bushes old transcripts) Now…republicans and democrats working together for with an honorable VP in Biden(have you heard the man’s life story-(Palin’s pales in comparison) ….those are the equivalent to a man on the moon idea if I’ve ever heard one!!! Ohhh…the posibilities! Guess republicans never had a Dream like Martin Luther King…never thought my kid would be playing across the race lines…now that’s out of the box thinking that formed into reality again… It’s about being on the right side of history sometimes and no one can stop that but God himself…

Im not obsessing over polls anymore…are you?

By Paul

September 18, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC 6:21

[[You are asking a predominately dhimmocrat blog if they have any money in the bank?]]

They will, once the income transfers start. I mean welfare. I mean tax cuts. Heck, take your pick.