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McCain turns facts into ‘facts’
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The McCain campaign has bet the ‘08 election on a belief that facts, reality, history and issues don’t matter anymore. All that matters is projecting a version of reality that voters find attractive.
In one sense that’s nothing new, and nothing unique to the McCain campaign. Political campaigns, especially at the presidential level, have long been little more than contests in image-making. But the McCain camp has taken that approach still further by creating a version of reality that is no longer tethered in any way to actual reality. They believe they can treat facts as “facts,” and once you believe you hold that power, a whole world of possibilities opens to you.
Just this week, Sen. John McCain completely shed his identity as an ardent and longtime advocate of financial deregulation. It was as if the past had never happened and that earlier version of John McCain had never existed. Suddenly, McCain 2.0 was a populist scourge of Wall Street, railing about the evils of unregulated corporate greed, and to hear the McCain campaign that’s all he had ever been.
Earlier campaigns would not have attempted such a shameless reinvention, fearful what would happen when the chasm between reality and fiction was exposed in the media. The McCain campaign has no such fear. As one McCain spokesman admitted last week, “We’re running a campaign to win, and we’re not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it.”
McCain strategists also understand that people who want to believe your version of reality aren’t going to be stopped by petty things like facts. If you give them even the flimsiest justification for dismissing reality, they will seize it like starved dogs.
For example, does Sarah Palin know enough about foreign policy to step in as president? Well, she’s governor of Alaska, and you can see Russia from Alaska.
As a foreign-policy credential, that’s laughable, but the McCain camp pushed it nonetheless, because it gave those who want to believe the excuse to do so. If it wasn’t reality, so what? They could at least see reality from there.
In fact, those who criticized the Palin selection because of her blank public record miss the true genius of the move. The lack of a record wasn’t a handicap; it was Palin’s greatest attribute. It offered the McCain campaign a blank canvas upon which to paint whatever image it wanted. You rarely get a chance to create a candidate out of whole cloth, with no baggage or previous public image to mar your work, and the McCain camp jumped at the chance.
McCain campaign manager Rick Davis even admitted as much in an interview with The Washington Post.
“This election is not about issues,” he said. “This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates — their values, their character, their opinions, their principles.”
And in the case of Palin, Davis said, “I have the luxury of being able to fill in blanks that exist in her record. I mean, she wasn’t out debating the war in Iraq the last two years.”
That’s telling: He fills in the blanks, not Palin. She is his creation, the epitome of his art.
That also explains why the McCain camp failed to vet Palin as thoroughly as previous campaigns would have. Why obsess over the facts if the facts can be rewritten? Who cares if she fought hard for the Bridge to Nowhere, campaigning on its behalf long after Congress had killed its funding? Through mythmaking, you transform her into the very opposite and dare anyone to stop you. A fact becomes a “fact.”
By now, the American people ought to know the dangers of such a course. In its eight years in power, the Bush administration also lived in a world of its own invention, a world in which Iraq would finance its own reconstruction, there were no refugees at the New Orleans Convention Center, Brownie was doing a great job and the fundamentals of the economy were sound.
But as it turns out, in real life it matters whether a story is real or invented. If we’ve learned nothing else in the last eight years, we’ve learned that matters very much.




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Comments
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this
Let us compare:
“The moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute.”
The libs used this idea to put the US foreign policy criticisms of Cindy Sheehan, noted left wing kook, above reproach. Does no one remember the hysteria that arose from the ditches near Bushie’s Texas ranch? A sitting American president forced to accommodate the babblings of thee insane?
And now, with a woman who is sending her son into harm’s way for the protection of the United States, the left wants to claim she is nothing more than a “ninny?”
I know two things for sure 1) Sarah Palin was right about the surge 2) that she wouldn’t not put politics above the national security of the United States and safety of our brave troops as Oblahma has done:
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
Committing treason is not an attribute.
By ByteMe
September 18, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is truly the “gift that keeps on giving.” There doesn’t seem to be any detail so innocuous that she won’t lie about it to improve the fable:
Check this out:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/17/17756/8965/82/601976
She even feels she has to lie to Hannity about how she told her kids about being the VP pick. Someone forgot to send the memo to the “First Dude” who told a completely different tale.
If she can’t be truthfully about the stuff that doesn’t really matter, how can we trust that she’ll tell the truth when we need to hear it… and how will we know it’s really the truth?
By TW
September 18, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this
McCain’s actions in Alaska are tantamount to witness tampering.
More ‘above the law.’
More lies.
More Bush.
No thanks. Can’t afford it.
By N-GA
September 18, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this
Jay,
This column may be your very best. The most telling aspect though, will be the responses on this very blog from the people you so accurately describe in the column itself.
By AllHatNoCattle
September 18, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this
McCain/Palin This is the best the GOP has to offer?
Stupidity is voting for another Republican president and expecting different results
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
I’m looking forward to the lies he tells to cover his gaffe on Spain last night.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
She took on: her party’s state chairman, her party’s state attorney general, GOP Gov. Frank Murkowski’s tainted gas pipeline project, and then she supported a GOP candidate who ran against Alaska’s “untouchable” GOP congressional earmarker, Don Young.
Show people Gov. Palin’s 18 single-spaced pages of 2007 vetoes.
This^^, above all, makes her more qualified to “run” Washington, D.C. than even Oblahma is.
What has he ever done besides play the game and pile up the wasteful government spending?
When are we going to quit talking about it and do something?
Like Sarah has?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this
Speaking of gaffes:
In a revealing slip in an interview with ABC recently, Mr. Oblahma said, “If we’re going to ask questions about who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily.”
What a bozo (I checked, <——-this is not an obscenity!!)
By Randy
September 18, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this
How come the Democrats job is to make the country better, but the Republicans job is to just beat the Democrats?
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this
John McBush is simply continuing the same tactics that W has used for the past 8 years: photo-ops and staged “town-hall” meetings where the attendees were all screened ahead of time. The reality of any given moment never seems to matter to the Repugs… it’s all about spin, spin, spin.
By Danny the red
September 18, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Well done, Jay.
Re: “…people who want to believe your version of reality aren’t going to be stopped by petty things like facts. If you give them even the flimsiest justification for dismissing reality, they will seize it like starved dogs.”
Can you say Bill - frickin - Kristol?
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
McBush\Palin— “Campaign First!”
By ByteMe
September 18, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
Goldie, a CNN reporter last night was asked whether the attendees at a McCain-Palin event were screened ahead of time and she said that she was not aware of it, that tickets were required just because the space held only so many people, but that the tickets weren’t distributed just to “friendlies”. The reporter did go on to say that some of the questions to Palin weren’t softball and that McCain ended up answering those questions.
And then I turned off the TV and went to sleep.
By Ray
September 18, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
What makes you think that Palin invented pork politics? All of this stupid rhetoric about some bridge is just that, stupid. Pork is a reality, it lives with our elected officials and always will. It gets them reelected every few years. Showing “the people back home” that we have their best interests in mind essentially wins elections which is the single most important thing that any elected official does. You can bet that if Chas Shumer or Barbara Boxer were Gov of Alaska that they would not have just campaigned for a bridge, it would have had to have 4 lanes.
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jay. I’ll keep it brief. John McCain is well known to, does, and will continue to re-invent himself (on an as-needed basis) and do so without guilt or shame for John McCain cannot even remember who or what he was even twenty-four hours ago. John McCain has taken his so-called “Straight Talk Express” and twisted and bent it back on itself such that it is more appropriately described as a humanoid shape that has managed to take on the likeness of a Mobius strip and the only thing lacking in its completion is for the mouth to finish engulfing both feet in their entirety. Open wide, McCain. You’re almost there.
By Danny the red
September 18, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Jay. One of your best.
The McCain campaign really does represent the absolute triumph of nihilism in politics (look it up, right-wing rabble), which has been long underway and reached its final stage in Bush/Cheney. The fact that the one who nows puts the icing on the cake is one who previously made a name by trying to buck this trend in his own party, and who despite that even now half-heartedly tries to milk the “maverick” image for what it’s worth, only makes the irony all the more perfect. (Why waste time with old-fashioned notions like maverick when there are much richer pastures of deceit waiting to be exploited?)
By GOPs got to go
September 18, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Just who is John McCain? That is my biggest question.
I fear he has completely capitulated to the “the Republican Machine”. If elected, will he revert to the real John McCain or will he continue on with this charade? Because believe me, it is quite the charade. Before he chose this Palin woman as his VP, I had comfort in either man becoming President. McCain had somewhat proven himself as above the party BS, had shown to have a more reality based view point than the current buffoons in the White House. Now I just do not know what to think. John McCain is the “Incredible Hulk” and I do not mean that in a good way, you won’t like him when he is angry.
I agree with Jay on the choosing of Palin as someone that the blanks can be filled in as one sees fit. I will go one step further though. I believe she is the party’s hedge bet. I think they see McCain as old and cancer stricken and she is a way to get a back door President that can be completely manipulated, another Bush, a little too dumb to even notice the maneuvering.
Be afraid America, be very, very afraid.
By roger
September 18, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
McCain is a maverick who will take on anything and anyone. Even himself.
You can’t mention the theme of his campaign because he changes it so often. You can say where he stands on regulation because that’s changing day to day. You can’t say he’s looking for day one ready experience in a VP because she choose Palin and changed his message. Palin’s not even ready to talk to the media on day one.
Who will McCain be in November and who will he be in January. Even he can’t tell you that. Even he doesn’t know.
By Tom
September 18, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
And so once again we observe the raw ugliness of the GOP. This time it’s “Troopergate.” GOP heavyweights are dispatched to Alaska for the single purpose of establishing intimidation, personal threats, raw corruption, lies, and so much more in order to shut down a proper and needed investigation of, in this case, Palin. Just as with the coverups of the high crimes of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Meirs, et al, force and lies will win out. These people - the lot of them - are criminals, no more, no less. And should be treated as such. But the masses will ignore it, forget it, as we spin ever downward into the sewer.
By Ray
September 18, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
Danny,
At the risk of challenging your elitist image, there are a few literate people on the right. Nihilistic traits seem to follow some pretty familiar names on the left. Slick Willy is a good example. How much of a “triumph of nihilism” was evident in Edwards lies, in Slick Willy’s adventures at the expense of the image of the presidency, of Cold Cash Jefferson’s stab at reality and recent ridiculous statements by Barnie Frank? Why “waste time with old-fashioned notions” indeed. Don’t throw rocks, it makes you look bad and a little stupid.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
Isn’t it sort of revealing that over the last 7 and a half years the left has accused the Bush administration of every lie in the book but has yet to prove a single one of them?
And now they are starting their pre school antics up on McCain-Palin?
Small, mealy mouthed little children (I checked, <—-this is not an obscenity!!)
Have you nothing else?
By PulSamsara
September 18, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
One of my fave McBush photo-ops:
Casually strolling through a Baghdad market with 100 American troops — “it’s safe!” said he.
By jasper
September 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Jay - Here’s a McCain fact.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
But your Pelosi Congress did nothing. And has continued to do nothing. Hey Libbies, we’re still in Iraq, two years after you got your legislative majority to get us out. Is that the Change you can believe in.
McCain deserves credit for being on the right side of this. Meanwhile, Obama in just four years in the Senate raked more contributions from Fannie and Freddie than any other Senator in the last 19 years, except Chris Dodd.
In addtion, Obama has had as two of his cheif economic advisors, Jim Johnson and Frank D. Raines, both former chairmen of Fannie Mae. Johnson had to resign under pressure for receiving favors from a Mortgage Company. Raines has been charged with Fraud and had to pay back a small part of his $100M severence package.
Face it, Obama is the shining diamond of the culture of deceit and corruption, that has been a hallmark of the political left for decades. He is a product of on of the most crooked political environs this country has ever known. Are the taxes, education, employment, and political climate of Chicago the Change that we are going to get.
Look at his record of change compared to what he says he is going to do, and all you have left is talk, from the talking head of the DNC.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, what powerful and decisive leadership we have in our Congress:
This is something you can't go on forever without addressing, but Congress in a short span of time is best served by going home.'' One reason, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said yesterday, is thatno one knows what to do” at the moment.
The Republican National Committee pounced on the Nevada lawmaker for his despair,'' and Senator Mel Martinez, a Florida Republican, said his remarks arenot a way to inspire confidence or begin to turn the tide.”
“But we have to kkkampaign for our next session of the Do Nothing Congress.”
By AFP
September 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
McCain = 4 more years of Bush!!!!! Republicans cannot win the election as McCain doesn’t qualify to be president>> Born in Panama at a Military Base…. According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered “part of the United States” and “A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
I know Sarah Palin would never say as idiotic as this:
Democratic vice presidential candidate Hair Plug’s Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
What would be “patriotic” would be cutting wasteful government spending so that Americans can ALL keep more of their money.
By Ray
September 18, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
In the next 5 weeks, lets see how many of the “loyal” Demos up for re-election distance themselves from the Annointed One. Like a canary in a coal mine, they will be the best indicators of Mr. Wonderful’s chances. And it is beginning to look bad for him.
By my 2 cents
September 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
McCain & Co couldn’t think of a campaign slogan, so they borrowed “change” from the Democrats. “Chameleon” would have been better. So, they admit that Palin knows nothing and they can create her. How interesting! They only thought she was a blank slate. Some Alaskans think differently. The big point to me is lies. You can do a lot of things to me, but you cannot lie to me very many times. That makes you a liar. If you tell the truth, you only have to remember one version.
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
The disclosure Wednesday raises new questions about the propriety of the Palin administration’s use of nongovernment e-mail accounts to conduct state business. My, oh my. Isn’t it just so refreshing to see someone new and different show up in DC politics. Someone that is so open and transparent. Someone that simply will not put up with more of the same. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you Mrs. Sarah Palin. She truly fails to pale in comparison with the good ole boys of that rio grande ole party, now doesn’t she. McCain/Palin — two peas in a pod.
By Michael H. Smith
September 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Spoken like a true elitist, Jay. Obama is proud of you.
How dare anyone so much as think a commoner without the “beltway-touch-experience”, chosen from the ranks of ordinary people that never served a day in the august body of the Senate foreign relations committee, should be elected and entrusted with the ultimate power of Washington D.C.?
Hmmm…. wonder when Palin plans to hold direct talks with Ahmadinejad, Putin, Castor and Hugo Chavez?
Perhaps there is something to be said for Pit Bulls (with pups) that wear lipstick and can see the threat of Russia from their house?
By Ray
September 18, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
AFP Get your facts straight. Being born in the Canal Zone has no bearing on McCain’s eligibility. That’s internet BS. Also Palin did not cut special funding for special education, ban books from any library, was never a member of the AL Ind Party, never supported Pat Buchanan for president and did not push the teaching of creationism in Alaska schools. Look it up on Fact Check or Snopes and quit posting things that are absolutely not true and a waste of time.
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
McBush’s “townhall meeting” yesterday was for those who were pre-ticketed by the GOP headquarters:
The McCain campaign confirms that tonight’s event was advertised on the McCain/Palin Web site and local newspapers. People had to pick up their tickets at local GOP offices after RSVPing for the event.
The last sentence in the article says it all: “UPDATE–McCain campaign officials insist that none of the questions are being pre-screened.”
Yeah, right.
By Midori
September 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Andy
Ray
Jasper
reaching
grasping
the democrats did it too!!!
going down with the ship
gurgle
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gurgle
By Trip
September 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this
Hey ADJ/DNC,
u r funny. none of bush’s lies have been proven???
Remmeber W M D???
typical right rabble!
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
So far, I can see, from my house, that the Republican clearly have one thing in common — they all speak in tongues.
By So So Sad
September 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
The Looney Left Attempting the “Liar Liar Pants on Fire” defense to McCains growing poll numbers. LOL wow thats pathetic, but if you must…try these:
“I sat in his church for 20 years but never heard him speak like that”
“John McCain thinks 5 million is middle class”
“I have more experience than Sarah Palin”
“I did nothing illegal with Tony Rezco”
All of the above are lies. Research them for a while.
By Ray
September 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
Where do you think that they should have advertised it, on Mr. Wonderful’s website? And do you think that they should had the attendees pick up their tickets at the Annointed One’s headquarters? How do you get a crowd for a meeting….. advertise it in the local newspaper. These things are almost too simple but maybe not for you.
And scripted questions? This is making you look pretty bad.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
By Taxpayer September 18, 2008 9:15 AM The disclosure Wednesday raises new questions about the propriety of the Palin administration’s use of nongovernment e-mail accounts to conduct state business.
Please do show us which of the emails conducted official government business, lying sack of (ooops, now that one would have been an obscenity.)
~~~~~
By Trip September 18, 2008 9:29 AM Hey ADJ/DNC, u r funny. none of bush’s lies have been proven??? Remmeber W M D???
Uh, you mean remember WMD, don’t you?:
In its May 22, 2004 edition, the New York Times confirmed a myriad of reports on Saddam’s nuclear fuel stockpile - and revealed a chilling detail unknown to weapons inspectors before the war: that Saddam had begun to partially enrich his uranium stash. “The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear weapons program, … . holds more than 500 tons of uranium … . Some 1.8 tons is classified as low-enriched uranium.”
Yellow cake, goony (I have checked, <——this is not an obscenity!!)
Duh.
By Midori
September 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
McCain strategists also understand that people who want to believe your version of reality aren’t going to be stopped by petty things like facts. If you give them even the flimsiest justification for dismissing reality, they will seize it like starved dogs.
So, So Sad -
Andy -
Ray -
Jasper -
gurgle
gurgle
gurgle
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
The uptick rule was implemented in 1938 and eliminated by the SEC a little more than a year ago. Wednesday on CNBC, SEC Chief Chris Cox stood by the agency’s decision to do away with this “ineffectual” rule. According to Cox, ample study showed that its elimination would improve transparency and reduce volatility.
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
McCains growing poll numbers.
Too Sad @ 9:32 — hide your eyes!
CBS News/New York Times Poll Shows Obama With 5 Point Advantage, Voters Concern Over Palin
By Midori
September 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Tom the Dancing Bug
By Th
September 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
The conservative game plan for decades has been to attack the trusted institutions of the US so that an “truth” becomes subjective. Public schools are attacked, main line church denominations are attacked for being too permissive, government is attacked even though most older people think FDR and government successfully fought the Great Depression, science is attacked, and of course, the media is attacked. McCain is the first to fully test whether these attacks have sufficiently paid off to where he can lie with no consequences. McCain hired the people who lied about him in 2000 to see if they can lie for him enough to get him elected. We’ll see.
By Ron
September 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
I can see how some Republicans would think that this hacking was done by Obama, because you are IDIOTS. Do you really think that He would sacrifice an election to read her private email. Palin could have had sex with a bear and her followers would still think that she is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. This was probably done by the McCain camp as an excuse to delete her email account so that she doesn’t have to present the evidence in the ” troopergate ” investigation. Judging by that town hall meeting with McCain, she is still the straight man in a Las Vegas lounge act.
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
I believe those Baghdad market vendors back in ‘07 had McBush pegged correctly: “wrong on security!” How can 30% of America continue to be fooled by McBush when even his “security” cred is scoffed at by Iraqi citizens?
By jasper
September 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
You have to wonder, how is it that an unknown governor of a sparse populated state has got the entire liberal hate machine dropping fruit in their pants.
What is it about her that could derail the mojo of the most historic and most hyped up campaign of the modern era, thereby exposing it for its complete weakness, emptiness, and lack of substance.
Celebrities, Media Titans, lowly op-ed journalists, Corrupt Politicians, are lining up in hysteical obsession, not just to malign her, but to decimate and destroy her.
Whatever the reasons are, its been interesting to watch the story shift from her to the desperation of the destructive forces against her.
By McCain Palin Scare Me
September 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Good article, Mr. Bookman. I wondered if it was just me, or if everyone else marveled at the fairytale factory that is the McCain / Palin campaign.
Imagine for a moment what would happen if you replace the name ‘Sarah Palin’ with ‘Barack Obama’ on the Republican VP ticket, if he were the short-term governor of Alaska who had taken 6 years and multiple schools to obtain a 4 year degree, if he had a pregnant teenage daughter and a newborn he would be forced to virtually abandon to pursue his political aspirations, if his past political offices were ripe with corruption and his experience in national affairs virtually non-existent. Think hard on that picture and what would be said about him.
Instead he is crucified as an ‘elitist’ for rising from a single-mother on food stamps background to obtain an Ivy-league education on his own merits and pursue a career in public service. Oh, he’s uppity all right.
I’m a middle-aged white woman from one of the whitest parts of the country, so I’m certainly no expert on race relations. However, the only thing I can figure is that voters aren’t as open to electing a mixed race president as Democrats had hoped. With our banks failing, our troops deployed in an unwinnable war that we’re borrowing billions a month from the central banks of China and Japan to finance, our working class sinking into a nation of Walmart workers while the rich get richer, and McCain promising more of the same ‘strategies’ to ‘fix’ our country, how else can anyone explain the fact that this campaign is even close? I really hope the ‘Bubba’ contingent can set aside the blinders on election day and realize this country can’t handle 4 more years of failed Republican policies. McCain / Palin are not mavericks, they’re one trick ponies. Their trick is to deceive their way into office. Why wouldn’t they try this ploy? It worked twice for George W. Bush.
By Just_Me
September 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
::sigh::: internet/server ate my post. too much going on today to repost.
just this: I was polled today…about the election and my choices.
::::::maybe I was one of those who got a chance to help swing the polls!::::::
As for none of the Bush/Cheney lies ” being proven:” What the hell kind of fantasy world do you live in? WMDs,;Reasons for invading Iraq, Valerie Plame…”never doing coke, or not being able to recall See: S. McClellan’s “What Happened.”) How about “The person responsible for the Plame leak will be fired????”
hmmm, i saw some resignations, but NO firings.
Off to take care of nine billion little things today. Mind the bloodshed, ya hear?
By Lynnie Gal
September 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
If you want to know more about John McCain, rent the movie Zelig by Woody Allen. It’s about the ultimate conformist who morphs into different characters depending on who surrounds him. That pretty much sums up McCain’s stand on issues.
By professional skeptic
September 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
John McCain service pack 2.0 still has bugs. I will not install.
By gttim
September 18, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
*”By jasper September 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Jay - Here’s a McCain fact.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005….*”
Then:
“But your Pelosi Congress did nothing.”
Again, this proves that the right either does not care about facts, or is not smart enough to understand them. In 2005, both houses of congress anf the presidency (as well as the Supreme Court) were controlled by Republicans. If they had wanted to actually pass regulatory reform, they certainly could have. Pelosi and the Dems had no power to do anything in 2005, especially with the blue dog Dems caving in to the GOP at every opportunity. Try again…
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
I know this is off topic….
but this financial crisis is really causing havoc with our plans for an “October Surpise Party”
You know, come dressed as what you think the GOP will try in mid-October to turn the tide.
Lotsa’ folks coming as Osama dead or alive and another group coming dressed as a military strike on Iran.
We don’t have the $$$$ right now to bomb Iran so some new costumes must be made.
How exactly can one dress as “martial law because of financial collapse”?
Any ideas?
By Ray
September 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
Having CBS and the NYT do a poll about who is ahead is like Charlie Gibson asking the Annointed One if he likes his coffee black or with creme and sugar. He then asked Palin in pretty frank terms if she really felt that she was ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. If you ask questions in the right way to the right people, you can always skew a poll to fit your viewpoint. The NYT lost all credibility when they pushed that story about McCain having an affair and then never retracted a word of it. Then they never chased Edwards one bit until pushed to do so, then on page four. CBS is in the same bucket with a skewed viewpoint, little to no objectivity and a credibility problem as big as Texas. It’s sort of like asking Ted Bundy if he likes to kill people…… the answer is pretty predictable.
By jasper
September 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G - in case you weren’t paying attention, the tide turned in September. So the surprise for October will be if the left can turn it back. So try a Jesus costume in black face, or Joe Biden having a heart attack.
By McCain Palin Scare Me
September 18, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, you are funny…in a sad, scarily true way.
My guess is that the GOP plan was to get the Republican-Faithful Oil Companies to push gas prices down 50 cents or more per gallon in mid-October to show just how great the economy was doing…that, of course, after artificially driving the price up all summer so they would have plenty of room to go back in price and still make barrels of money.
Hurricane Ike and the bank failures this week just popped that thought bubble. It will be interesting to see if they come up with a different ploy, or if they stick with the plan to send gas prices plummeting to ‘prove’ they’re doing things right and we should vote for more of the same…whose benefits tend to last no more than a few weeks after the general election.
If we buy into their lies one more term, we deserve what we’re already getting.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
jasper….
it’s pretty naive to think I’m not paying attention….
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Speaking of Ike…. I understand FEMA is having some of the same old problems and the press is not getting any real access.
By Sheila
September 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Jay, Thank you so much for this. If everyone would read and comprehend it, we would have an Obama/Biden landslide in November.
Unfortunately too many people do not want to know the truth. They had rather keep their heads buried in the sand - the sinking sand.
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
By AJC/DNC Management September 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this By Taxpayer September 18, 2008 9:15 AM The disclosure Wednesday raises new questions about the propriety of the Palin administration’s use of nongovernment e-mail accounts to conduct state business.
Please do show us which of the emails conducted official government business, lying sack of (ooops, now that one would have been an obscenity.)
Andy, * You cross the line if you are indeed calling me a liar for posting words, complete with link, to an authored news story. *You, little person, are indeed, the obscenity on this blog and I do hope that Jay and others here recognize you for what you truly are.
By jasper
September 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Mrs G - I was just trying to give you some costume ideas. Here’s another: Nancy Pelosi - with a banner that reads, “its not my job”. Her costume comes complete with a Lauren original and lear jet. You’ll be the hit of the party.
By RW-(the original)
September 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
When last we met with our host, the intrepid “journalist”, on the thread below he claimed to be researching this topic of McCain the reformer. When confronted with facts he scolded a few bloggers and moved up here to start over with his fairy tale. The fact remains that President Bush tried to stave this mess off in 2003 and McCain tried in 2005/2006, but Democrats and a few Republicans that were raking in campaign cash stopped them.
What has Obama done, Jay? (You can answer that in zero words)
The lack of a record wasn’t a handicap; it was Palin’s [Obamas} greatest attribute. It offered the McCain {Obama} campaign a blank canvas upon which to paint whatever image it wanted. You rarely get a chance to create a candidate out of whole cloth, with no baggage or previous public image to mar your work
Projection Jay? Obama is running for the top spot you know.
The bridge again? You do know the AP and the New York Times gave her credit for killing it in 2007 don’t you? Of course you do.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
We have been watchin’ AJC/Duh/Andy for years….you scooped that poop just right!
By Ray
September 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Bookman,
Bush…… is……… not……..running. The candidates are Mr. Wonderful and Hairplugs vs The Old Guy and the Moosehunter. Go stay after school, Jay, and write on the board 50 times…… Bush…… is……. not……..running. But I don’t think it will make much difference. By the way Goldie, if nationwide polls taken regarding who is ahead in the electoral college, from a sampling of all over America as opposed to just leftists from the Big Apple in a brief telephone interview, it’s a lot closer than 5%. How ‘bout dead even. Scare you a little?
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
“First of all, I don’t see America having problems.”
—George W. Bush, interview with Bob Costas at the 2008 Olympics, Beijing, China, Aug. 10, 2008
By Bud Wiser
September 18, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
here’s a little factoid for ya
The apple never falls far from the tree. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig, how about spraying trash with perfume? Obama is trash, and his campaign has been trashed.
I am LMFAO at you liberal fools.
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid and trashy
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Oh sorry Jasper….were you making a funny?
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
“There’s no question about it. Wall Street got drunk — that’s one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras — it got drunk and now it’s got a hangover. The question is how long will it sober up and not try to do all these fancy financial instruments.”
—George W. Bush, speaking at a private fundraiser, Houston, Texas, July 18, 2008
By RW-(the original)
September 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G @ 10:06,
That wasn’t just off topic, it was a deliberate attempt to introduce a new discussion topic and hijack the thread. I’ll be very interested to see if Jay Bookman is a man of his word. You do remember the dictatorial edict he put forth recently about it being his job and his alone to offer a topic and that anyone violating his edict would be banished don’t you?
gttim the Koz Kid,
Your ilk has been using the excuse that they can’t do anything because they don’t have 60 Senators. Would you like to review the Senate control the Republicans had in any of the last eight years? I didn’t think so.
By Fabb4eyes
September 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
What Palin has done is to grab the toorch that Kennedy said was “passed to a new generation”.
That’s why she’s an instant president. It’s been long overdue that a new fresh young face would govern.
No matter who wins in 08. It’s Palin in ‘12.
There’s an army of Palins coming. Get used to it. Embrace it. Love it.
Otherwise go join Al Queda and stfu.
morons
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
“Let me start off by saying that in 2000 I said, ‘Vote for me. I’m an agent of change.’ In 2004, I said, ‘I’m not interested in change —I want to continue as president.’ Every candidate has got to say ‘change.’ That’s what the American people expect.”
—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 5, 2008
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
“I fully understand those who say you can’t win this thing militarily. That’s exactly what the United States military says, that you can’t win this military.”
—George W. Bush, on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007
By Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
September 18, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Jay, when you write:
In fact, those who criticized the PALIN (emphasis added) selection because of her blank public record miss the true genius of the move. The lack of a record wasn’t a handicap; it was PALIN’s (emphasis added)greatest attribute. It offered the MCCAIN (emphasis added)campaign a blank canvas upon which to paint whatever image it wanted. You rarely get a chance to create a candidate out of whole cloth, with no baggage or previous public image to mar your work, and the MCCAIN (emphasis added)camp jumped at the chance.
Couldn’t we factually exchange Obama for the capitalized Palin and Soros (the leading promoter of legalizing street drugs) foe McCain and be absolutely 100% accurate? Say it ain’t so, Jay.
By just the facts
September 18, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
From Charlie Gibson’s interview:
Palin: Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.
The fact:
Palin claims Alaska “produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” That’s not true.
Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that’s a far cry from all the “energy” produced in the U.S.
Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
And if by “supply” Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska’s production accounted for only 2.4 percent.
By getalife
September 18, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
gop and McLiar with Gramm leading:
deregulate, deregulate, deregulate.
McFlipflop:
regulate, regulate, regulate.
He thinks you are stupid and he is right.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
“It’s easy for me to go to Washington and, frankly, be somewhat divorced from the day-to-day challenges people have.”
—John McCain, speaking at the ServiceNation forum in New York, Sept. 11, 2008
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Lie du Jour?
“”Today, during an interview with Neil Cavuto, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) economic adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer claimed that McCain will balance the budget “by the end of the first term,” and that she’s “not even sure real cuts would ever be required.” “”
Or just plain dumb?
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
“The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world.”
—John McCain, forgetting the war in Afghanistan, which was launched in October 2001, CBS News interview, July 21, 2008
By getalife
September 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
These same idiots wanted to privatize Social Security.
Use your brain and think about that.
You can’t be that stupid can you?
By Goldie
September 18, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Bush…… is……… not……..running.
Ray @ 10:43— and thank God for that, correct?!
Now, we just have Bush III running instead: “I’ve voted with Bush 90% of the time”, so I’m guessing you’re one of those 30% Club-ers who want to take a chance on McBush’s 10% change from today… PEE-YEWWWW! That’s some stinky chances you’re taking!
By Ray
September 18, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Soothsayer,
“I did not have sex with that woman”(impeached). “I would welcome a paternity test for the baby but the mother of the child refuses.” (can’t find a job sweeping floors in Congress). “I threw all of my medals over the fence in protest to the war where my fellow soldiers were killing women and babies”(lost a presidential election). “I dodged bullets when I disembarked from the plane” (should have been the Demo candidate for president). It’s pretty obvious who posted these lies.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
“I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”
—John McCain
By McCain Palin Scare Me
September 18, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
To RW and everyone else who thinks Palin is NOT running for the presidency…
JUST based on age, according to Social Security actuarial tables, there is a 33% chance that McCain would die in his first term in office. Then factor in 4 bouts with cancer and 5-1/2 years of torture. Palin IS running for the top spot whether you want to admit it or not.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
“The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.
—John McCain, “Meet the Press” interview, June 19, 2005
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
“No one has supported President Bush on Iraq more than I have.”
—John McCain
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.”
—John McCain, on the Iraq war
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 18, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
You misstate the policy, RW. I asked folks not to post unattributed opinions pasted in from elsewhere and to instead just post their own thoughts, in their own words.
By RW-(the original)
September 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
McCain Palin Scare Me,
According to history no sitting Senator that’s been elected directly to the Presidency has lived out his term. That doesn’t say much for Obambi either, now does it?
I’ll take a President Sarah’Cuda Palin over a President Windbag Hairplugs any day.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
And finally, a real “get to know you” originally posted by “THE Captain” on Wootens blog. This may be the most perfect post ever and certainly bears repeating.
THE Captain agrees with Jim, of course. The Dummycrats have tried and failed to put a dent in the Promethean Armor of St John, an armor forged in the crucible of five years in a Hanoi prison, years when pampered Ivy League legacy boys were dodging their National Guard commitments and snorting cheap blow off the bums of Mexican h00kers.
But this is the God’s Truth…those five years made Mr Cindy McCain an indestructible Iron Man. For just like the cartoon character, Mr Cindy McCain was captured by ENEMIES OF FREEDOM (hi Dusty) and only survived because of his strong character, a willingness to sign false confessions, and an almost superhuman skill at metallurgy and electrical engineering. And that is why he has a wife who own many houses. For that, my friends, is the American Dream.
Yes, Our St John of Our Lady Cindy is the living embodiment of the American Dream. Here is a man who was a PRISONER OF WAR (though he really doesn’t like to mention it, no really, it’s just that LIE-berals make him, all the time, without cease), who returned home with no career prospects to find a broken wife and suffering a clear case of PTSD-inspired promiscuity and near-alcoholism. But through grit and determination, Our St John dumped his fat @$$ first wife and married the Virgin Cindy, whose money and family connections catapulted Our Hero to the pinnacle of American political success. Talk about earning it!! He was a POW.
Now many leftists and hariy-pitted feminazis like to dwell on the way St John discarded his first wife like a used condom in a highway rest stop. But Our St John is not like all those other Republicans who toss aside their starter wives as soon as their udders begin to sag. And even though his dismissal of the near crippled first Mrs McCain is eerily similar to the way St Newt dumped the first Mrs Gingrich, it is not at all the same. For THE Captain believes that any man whose only avenue for sexual relief for 5 and half years is with GI Joe in a BAMBOO PRISON CAGE has the right to treat women any damned way he pleases. And so it is with Our Lady Cindy, who he lovingly refers to as the rhymes-with-bunt.
Now sure, Mr Cindy McCain comes off as prickly, cantankerous, and occasionally off-kilter in a way that makes you want to hide any kitchen utensil sharper than the plastic spoon he uses to eat his nightly cream of wheat while he watches Matlock. Well, you would be irrationally volatile, too, IF YOU HAD BEEN A POW. Well, he was one, though he doesn’t like to share that.
Sure, he occasionally forgets where certain insignificant countries appear on the map; and he often reacts to world events as though he has a case of Tourettes; and granted, it often seems as if he does not understand economic issues beyond the level of a 3rd grade lemonade entrepeneur. But all this is forgiven, BECAUSE HE WAS A POW. And you weren’t. Case closed.
So go ahead, you nancy boys of the Dummycrat party — keep on telling the nation that St John is a carbon copy of Our Leader Bush (though without the intellectual sophistication) and that his plans (such that they are) are incoherent and destined to disastrous failure. For while all this is undoubtedly true, the fact is that JOHN McCAIN WAS A POW OMFG LEAVE THE POOR MAN ALONE.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful - you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.
By Ed
September 18, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Looks like a lot of Georgians read the polls this morning about Obama being 16 points done in Georgia. Where is Waldo…I mean Biden? How can one woman from Alaska scare so many liberals into a bedwetting frenzy. Do you dems realize just how pathetic you come off attacking her the way you all are doing. Your desperation is fouling up the room. You fools actually believed that Obama would be elected? Too funny.
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Phil Gramm, that well known Republican that sneaked through such memorable legislation as the “Enron Loophole”, also helped us out back during Reagan’s time in office. Yep. He helped cut Social Security benefits way back then. Now, what do you suppose he was whispering in McCain’s ear, remember they are truly buddy-buddy, as his economic policy adviser. Let’s see, a Republican-led deregulation of the financial sector of our economy has led to the biggest economic disaster for this country and its citizens since the Great Depression. Republicans have also been pushing for many other things. Can you guess what they are and what they’re doing to you at this very moment and I’m not just talking about the Federal level either. That’s just the tip of the melted iceberg. Not to worry though. The worthy amongst us will be just fine when that time comes — the end of times. ‘Til then, let us prey — it’s the Republican thing to do.
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
So Jay it does not matter to you that Obama told bold faced lies in a new ad for spanish language TV ad. He compares McCain to Rush Limbaugh and also compares McCain to comments by Limbaugh.
In the ad they also acuse McCain of being linked to calling them stupid Mexicans. This is something that he has never said. I guess though it is ok to lie if you are democrate though.
Why not be outraged by all lies told and untold. Does it matter what party has said it, yes it does to you because you have an agenda and that agenda includes writing whatever you can to help Obama and hurt McCain. That is your right as an opinion column, cause lord knows you do not need to comment for actual media. It is even worse though when you resort to nothing sort of partisian censorship in the way you have a double standard for what can be posted and what cannot. As long as it is off topic and mildy offensive to a group that supports rep. it is ok. If it is unflattering to teh dems. then it must be pulled for the sanctity of your column.
By RW-(the original)
September 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
By JAY BOOKMAN September 7, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this Also, NEW RULE: I see where Trash and Management got into a posting war in the previous thread, putting up reams of material from other sources that nobody else on earth would care to read. If you have an opinion to express or something to say, say it in your own words. But if you’re posting something off-topic from elsewhere just to allow yourself to comment on it, that’s my job, not yours. Such posts will be pulled. Repeated such posts will require more serious action.
Yea right, Jay. That’s clearly an edict to stick to your topic, but I’m not surprised to see that it only applies to one side of the debate.
Later!
By ESR
September 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Ms. Godzilla allow me to give you a free example of what a lie sounds like: ” I sat in his church for over twenty years, he facilitaed my marriage to my wife as well as baptized both my daughters and part of my book is dedicated to him but I had no idea what the message was he was preaching up there..” Okay, if he didn’t lie, then he is about the dumbest moron, other than his followers, on the planet earth. You’re welcome.
By Copyleft
September 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Jay: You can see that the GOP is out of ideas when they rely on the same campaign tactics as ever: Lie about everything and then complain that the Democrats are fact-obsessed, egghead “elitists” when they object with their boring old “facts” and “truth.”
The GOP knows how to appeal to emotions, like fear and hatred; the Democrats have yet to embrace those tactics as successfully. Instead, they keep talking about facts and policies and issues as though that were what mattered to American voters.
Sadly, that’s not the case. Pandering and feel-good slogans, not issues, are the key to winning over American voters.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
OBAMA TELLS SUPPORTERS: ‘ARGUE AND GET IN THEIR FACE’
Please, for the sake of everybody else, buy the liberals you know some mouth wash.
By Dusty
September 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Ah..much ado about nothing here today.
RW and Andy are handling the facts very well while loser libs lollygag. I will leave it to the sane while libs ditter and litter and Bookman babbles ( he wants to forget the INTERNET INTRIGUE spread by libs).
Not a bad idea, Bookman, to linger very little on illegal behavior of libs. Unfortunately, this bad behavior mounts continuously. Makes it hard to act like it isn’t there.
By lrd
September 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
It seems McCain does not want to be President, he just wants to win the Presidency. After his sacrifice, service and 2000 primaries, he is owed the office of the presidency.
So far, has McCain informed us what he would do in his first term? All I have read, seen, heard is what Obama would do.. thats fine McCain, but tell us please what you would do as President, not why you should be President. ( hope that makes sense)
By Fred
September 18, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Joe Biden’s plagiarizing Karl Marx now.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
This is straight out of The Communist Manifesto. “To each according to his needs, from each to his ability.” How more nakedly socialistic can the Democrats get?
By Patrick Edmondson
September 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
You really encapsulated the truth on the Republican campaign of Big Lies repeated often, but they even stole this from Goebbels. The many boilerplate responses here shows it hit the hate radio and swiftboaters are busy. They really hate when facts “distort” their vision. Facts like Reagan decriminalized Usury and Bush greed policies brought it to the fruition of destroying the American economy. At least the managers, McBush fanatics, got good bonuses and can open golden parachutes. But doesn’t everyone have seven houses or more?
By gttim
September 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
*”From RW - The something
Your ilk has been using the excuse that they can’t do anything because they don’t have 60 Senators. Would you like to review the Senate control the Republicans had in any of the last eight years? I didn’t think so.*
Again, get some facts straight, in 2005 the GOP controlled the senate. The Dems did not take control until 2006. How are Pelosi and group at fault because the corrupt GOP did not pass a regulatory reform bill in 2005? It has nothing to do with 60 votes for cloture. The GOP controlled the senate in 2005. Look at the dates! You wingers are completely delusional and/or reading impaired! You try to blame everything on everybody except who is actually at fault- the GOP and Bush!
By Ray
September 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Soothsayer,
Have you ever served? Have you ever had to spend much time in a bamboo cage? It will make a pretty important dent in your life, no matter your political leanings. Wonder how your views about things might have taken a turn with an experience like this. Think it would make you personally a little closer to the God you pray to, if you do such a thing? I have treated any number of PTSD veterans from the VN era and even the ones who never saw combat in that theater have a divorce rate over 60% by VA records and statistics. Most have come home better people for their experiences. Some have not, but comments like yours seem pretty harsh, especially about the sex with a fellow prisoner. Your harsh and stupid comments about a veteran who has served his country as well as he could reflect the kind of person that you must be, an uncaring, uninformed POS without a heart. And you can vote!!
By RD
September 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
The whole Palin pick and process is so full of jaw-dropping incongruities, mind-bending hypocrisy, and audacious lies that it’s hard to know where to begin.
But, the entrance onto the scene of the Texas-based Liberty Legal Institute, the legal arm of the Free Market Foundation which describes itself on its website as “the statewide public policy council associated with Dr. James Dobson’s Focus on the Family”, may be the best indicator of the hypocrisy of the so-called “family values” crowd that have hijacked the Republican party. Here they are “defending” poor Palin from the consequences of her own heavy-handed abuse of power - a pattern she has established as mayor and continuted as governor -and which will surely be revealed if the BI-PARTISAN INVESTIGATION that Palin once promised to cooperate with is allowed to run its course. Why else are they trying to stop it?
Anybody with a lick of doubt about the scum that make up the Re THUG LIE CON base need look no further than the bald display of hard-ball politics, dishonesty, and stonewalling by Palin, by her McCain campaign handlers, by her hand-picked toady, Attorney General Talis Colberg, and by the fawning sycophants on the religious right.
If you don’t believe this is the worse sort of people to have running our country, if you’re not thoroughly fed up with the corruption and incompetence of the Republicans in Alaska, the Bush Administration in Washington, and the McCain campaign staffed with former Bush campaign people and high-powered Washington lobbyists, I have the deed to a bridge to nowhere with your name on it.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 18, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
And I clarified later on that same thread, stating I didn’t care — and I don’t — whether the topic on a thread changes. As I wrote:
“The thread goes where it goes. I’m just trying to discourage the practice of posting copied material from other sources as a way to hijack it.
Post your own thoughts and observations, if necessary with links to what you want to refer to. And no, this is nothing personal with anybody.”
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Yeah, then 5 people in a row post unattributed opinions without comment and none of the them got scolded or censored.
Gee, I wonder why?
~~~~~
al-Gitmo: Let’s do a little exercise together, shall we, I’ll go get the growth rate for the Dow Jones Industrials since 1940 and you go get it for Social Security, deal?
Let us compare.
~~~~~
By Taxpayer September 18, 2008 10:32 AM Andy, * You cross the line if you are indeed calling me a liar for posting words, complete with link, to an authored news story.
Wormwood (I checked!!) You “unattributed” off topic article does also not include any examples of Sarah using private email for official government business but yet wormily puts it out there like she is.
We’re you in a trance when you posted this?
Was someone holding a gun in your mouth?
Should I dial 911 for you, man?
If not then my original assertion stands, you lying sack o (oooops, that could have been an obscenity.)
By Dusty
September 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
SoothSayer,11:17
Bookman only wants your OPINION, not your REPRINTS. Cindy McCain is NOT running for the Presidency.
Even Obama said “Leave my wife out of it!” Shouldn’t Dems do the same?
Now try to be a good lib with an opinion of your own.
By Chaz
September 18, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Folks love to attribute the concept of The Big Lie to Goebbels, but Saul Alinsky preached the concept here a decade before him. Alinsky wrote Rules For Radicals, the bible for ACORN and all ‘community organizers’… like Obama.
By Leslie Lanning
September 18, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Amen. Those who don’t see the truth for what it is are doing themselves and their country a disservice for the sake of their “morals”. And those that don’t look at provable facts shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Its pure idiocy to vote based on morality because Morality can not be legislated. We have to look at what we CAN do with our vote, like maybe maintain our constitution and our bill of rights, two purely American documents that are slowly but surely being chipped away by the current administration. Do we really want to let that continue under a McCain/Palin administration? I think not.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Maybe you’ll find this to be more on point.
In the last month alone, Media Matters for America has documented the following examples of false assertions by McCain about his own record and statements, and those of other Democratic and Republican presidential candidates:
By Marvin
September 18, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Excellent article!
We are seeing a desperate man (McCain) pull out all stops to win this presidency.
If McCain put “Country first”, he would have said thanks, but no thanks to Sarah Palin. He knows she isn’t qualified to be Vice President. God forbid something happens to McCain.
McCain has no clue on this economy. He says the “fundamentals of the economy are strong” and says he was talking about the working people as fundamentals. What a liar! He’s used this phrase over 20 times over this campaign and not once mentioned the workers in America.
Americans aren’t stupid and wont fall for these lies.
I remember McCain saying he wouldn’t take the low road to the highest office in the land…….I guess that’s another lie.
By Copyleft
September 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Deregulation = proven failure. “Trickle-down” = proven failure.
All Republican economic policies of the past 28 years = proven failure, with disastrous consequences for everyday Americans.
Now, WHO do you want to vote for again?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
In the streaming video “Meet Michelle Obama” from the Obama campaign website Obama’s own wife questioned what a community organizer does. “He had told me that he was a community organizer and I didn’t quite know what community organizing was. I had never met anybody who was a community organizer.
“Perhaps you should ask thee teleprompter.”
We don’t know what it is either.
By Soothsayer
September 18, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
An unholy alliance: fratboys and bubbas.
By Fred
September 18, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Presuming that Fascism is the opposite of Socialism/Communism is sophomoric and fundamentally wrong. Both function as all-powerful central governments controlling everything… only the methodology differs.
Same ‘pig’, different ‘lipstick’, if you don’t mind the analogy. Liberty is the opposite of both.
By AL
September 18, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
Media Matters? Now that’s an up-standing outfit. I think all Liberals pray at the alter of Media Matters and The New York Times. How else would they be so mis-informed. WISE UP!! 95% of the media outlets in this country are mouth pieces for wacko liberals. When are you going to learn? The people that make this country work (everyday people) not Hollyweird and Babs, don’t care what Media Matters or The NYT or the AJC for that matter say. Check out the dieing circulation of all the Liberal rags in the United States. Never in history has a more important American Institution (free press) been more mis-handled by a bunch of Morons. And, people have the guts to quote them?
By artatlarge
September 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Hey AJC/DNC “Management….” How about a much more recent, and valid, example? George W. Bush, at Ground Zero in NYC; (paraphrase) We will not exploit this tragedy for political gain…. Rudy Guliani (sp?) can’t open his mouth without invoking 9/11. But even more shamelessly, how about the 9/11 footage used at the recent Republican Convention for nothing more than just that? The RNC would have us all live, and vote, in fear.
But if we live in fear, and give up our constitutional rights in fear, the terrorists have scored a victory. They hate our freedom? John McCain would continue to make sure that we have no more freedom to hate. OBAMA/BIDEN “08!
By Ed
September 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
All the libs had to do was brand Clinton a racist because she had mitigated gall to run against The NBCChoosenOne so it’s easy to see why their panties are all in a wad because not only can they not get McCain to go away, he had the nerve to get over a million more people to view his speech over the ‘historical’ speech of Obama. Now McCain brings in this hot new VP candidate that only serves to magnify the undoing and unnerving of the Obama camp who believed The Choosen One was the answer. Exactly what is the question if Obama is the answer? Perhaps it’s who can screw this country up more than we ever thought possible. Okay, perhaps Obama is the answer.
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
JAY- What about Obama
Single-Payer healthcare———————-Lied Public Campaign Fund—————————Lied Said He doesn’t take money from DC or Lobbyist————————-Lied Story about man bleaching skin————Lied this shaped his racial awareness Amount of campaign cash from Tony Rezko——————————————Lied
These are only a few. So why Jay why no mention of them? Do these lies not count. These do not even have a hint of truth to them. Look all politicians lie, always have always will. They lie because they know people like you will broadcast their lies as truth and condemn the other candidate for theirs. Have some type of integrity to your positions
By Truth
September 18, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Most of the financial problems we see today are basically because of bad mortgage lending. The democrats wanted loans for people who shouldnt get them so the lenders’ had to allow the loans…. Then these lenders sold the loans to these big companies knowing full well that most of the loans would never get paid. Pretty much bank fraud…. Thank you Community Reinvestment Act!
By Huac
September 18, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Jay, so you get to cut and paste, and the rest of us can’t? Oh yeah, you’re a liberal so you can make the rules but don’t have to live by them, as long as your intentions are good. While I’m at it, Obama can bend reality too. He says he’ll lower income taxes for 95% of us (although a far less percentage even pays taxes), but he’ll be raising payroll and Social Security taxes. (His running mate says paying higher taxes is patriotic, so exactly which is it with these guys?) Here’s what this election is actually about….the choice between American Exceptionalism and Global Universalism. Please Jay, as soon as possible, remind us how much of the rest of world hates us. It reminds me how exceptional Americans are.
By jeff
September 18, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Jay..time to tell the whole truth and not some abbreviated “lets make Gov. Palin look bad” version.
“Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the Ketchikan bridge (“to nowhere), she eventually killed the project, chosing to spend Federal money on other infrasturcture programs.
However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief.
Sen. McCain did not vote on the Coburn Amendment, though he is on record as opposing the Ketchikan bridge earmark.”
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
So I guess Obama did not lie about his infant protection bill. His own campaign even admitted he lied (their words misled) to the public since 2004.
Guess that lie went unnoticed in your research ay JAY?
By Ray
September 18, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
The AJC has probably figured out that blogs like this keep their news organization viable and prop up an otherwise inevitable down slide into oblivion. Not much different than Media Matters, MoveOn.org., the NYT and others devoted to a liberal agenda. Manipulation of the masses to make a profit….. sort of like Leman Bros and Merrill Lynch. Wonder how many of the CEOs, market managers and heads of depts in both of these firms vote on the lib side of the ticket? Since it’s the lib capital of the world, probably a lot. Getting us in deeper and deeper and it’s always Bushie’s fault, right?
By Dusty
September 18, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Soothsayer 12:01
FRATBOYS AND BUBBAS??? That’s why Republicans are going to elect a man of experience and a woman of foresight and strength.
Who needs your internet frat-vaders and undercover lib rednecks? Not America. You keep ‘em for your next HaterGate configuration after Republican voters sweep the polls, avoiding all lib fratboys and babbling bubbalibs.
By mike hussein smith
September 18, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
I have a quibble, Soothsayer, with your 11;48 post. The prompt is to an article written in February, and Cafferty — if not The Wall Street Journal — has since seen the light and now regularly kicks McCain butt. But I agree that certain elements of the media have worshipped at McCain’s knee. Mark Halperin of Time magazine comes to mind.
To those posting from other sources: Unless you provide a link to the original, you might as well be making that stuff up (I’m talking about you, Rw and Management). For all I know, you’re just making that stuff up.
By Filster
September 18, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
Do you know what I’m getting sick of? Journalists (on both sides) manipulating, slanting, and even blatantly misrepresenting and mistating (that’s called lying where I come from) what should be able to be given 100% accurately to the American people, i.e., a silly little, oft-forgotten thing called the facts. How about doing something with some journalistic integrity Bookman. Look up and report MaCain, Biden, and Obama’s voting records on the bills that are really in play today. Dig into who’s sponsoring their campaigns. Uncover who their associates are, and what those associates have done. Jasper earlier had great input about Obama and his connection to Fannie and Freddie, and McCain’s position on the subject back in 2005. Words that were recorded during Senate hearings. Why not publish that Jay? Opps. my bad. I forgot. You’re not a journalist. Your a colmunist. You could try to inform the American people, bring out real facts for us to consider, but instead you continue to spew cr@p. Guess columnists don’t have to abide by journalistic integrity. Now there’s an oxymoron (emphasis on moron) for you. And yes, Wooten is just at bad.
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon Dusty!
Wow, this financial mess sure is crazy, isn’t it?
How’s McCain going to fix it? His economic plan was designed by one of the main players who caused it, AND he called us a “nation of whiners.”
Whiners. Can you believe that?
How ‘bout that.
By getalife
September 18, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Hillary Clinton on C Span 2 proposing action now.
Not bailing out corporate but the American people’s foreclosures too.
Half a trillion for corporate and nothing for the people.
She states the home mortgage system is the problem.
Proposing solutions for mortgage melt down mess.
Regulations, regulations, regulations.
Its a complicated mess folks like the depression.
By edhavran
September 18, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
IT IS SAD. I just wonder if Obama or McCain has ever even managed a 99Cent Store or met a payroll. Sarah on the other hand has at least had some first hand experience with budgets,etc. Too Many lies. Maybe I am an Old WW2 Combat Vet that is now witnessing the saddest presidential race ever,
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
Jay, nothing as of a response. It does take a while to look everything up on the internet so I understand why you can’t respond yet.
By Midori
September 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
tcoach,
perhaps your worthless, whiny crap isn’t worthy of a response?
By ButtHead
September 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Let’s try plain English, oh wait that is NOT our official language, because the dimacrats keep blocking it. But never the less in English some simple FACTS
Obama wants to raise taxes; this is because they do NOT know how to balance a check book. McCain wants to cut taxes; this alone should get your vote! Biden feels it is Patriotic to pay more taxes, and what is he smoking? McCain wants to ELIMINATE earmarks. Obama wants MORE earmarks.
On these issues alone you would be an idiot to vote dimacrat….
By Midori
September 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Bosch - I can’t even see where they are worth trying to talk to.
They are all over the place: dissembling, lying, ducking, dodging and hurling deeper and deeper into denial.
check out Tweety spanking this moron from virginia
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
One thing I rarely if ever see is, when everyone says Sarah Palin can’t be a VP because she has no experience since she has only been a mayor and a governor…then why does everyone think that being a community organizer, Illinois state legislator (where you can’t even see Russia), and a U.S. Senator for less than a year before concentrating solely on running for president in any way qualifies Obama to be a PRESIDENT?
Seems to me that if you say Palin isn’t qualified, you have to put Obama in the same boat. But, then again, that is so typical of the hypocrisy of Democrats, librerals, Jay Bookman, and most of the people on this blog.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Mr. Jones, your anti-Catholic diatribes will not be tolerated here.
You’re gone.
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Hey Midori!
Isn’t it funny how people demand a response on this board? If they don’t get a response I guess they think they’ve “won.” I don’t understand that character flaw in folks, but then again, I don’t understand how anyone could vote for a Republican this go round either. People can be weird sometimes, huh?
By Taxpayer
September 18, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Dear Mr. Bookman,
I have enjoyed the opportunity to post on your blog and to read your opinions as well as share comments with other bloggers — most other bloggers, that is. The blogger using the label “AJC…” has become too much a distraction for my tastes however and so I bid you farewell. It’s been fun.
Thank you in advance if you decide to post this,
Yours Truly, aka, Taxpayer.
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
One thing I rarely if ever see is, when everyone says Sarah Palin can’t be a VP because she has no experience since she has only been a mayor and a governor…then why does everyone think that being a community organizer, Illinois state legislator (where you can’t even see Russia), and a U.S. Senator for less than a year before concentrating solely on running for president in any way qualifies Obama to be a PRESIDENT?
Seems to me that if you say Palin isn’t qualified, you have to put Obama in the same boat. But, then again, that is so typical of the hypocrisy of Democrats, librerals, Jay Bookman, and most of the people on this blog.
By Midori
September 18, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
where I come from there’s an old saying when people “demand” something: people in hell want ice water.
By mike hussein smith
September 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
Ray: You’ve missed the boat on America. “Manipulation of the masses to make a profit” is the way this nation works. What do you think those ads on TV are trying to do. You seem, however, to have a problem with groups (NYT, FactCheck) that inform the public and in doing their jobs are required to say things like: It should be obvious to anyone with a brain that Obama didn’t call Palin a pig. What you don’t like is the freedom of these groups to say such things.
“But I do think in a world that is so complicated, so interconnected and so combustible, you really got to have some people in charge that have some sense of the bigger scope of the world.” — Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, in today’s Omaha newspaper. He also said in the article that it would be a “stretch” to call Palin qualified for VP.
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Classic video. It’s amazing to me that the American voters are being fooled into thinking the McCain will somehow be able to change all this, especially when he’s given no indication to support that. Phil Gramm is the architect of his economic plan, he may have fired, Gramm, but he’s keeping the “plan.”
I’m truly astonished at the folks with their heads in the sand.
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
One other thing: most of our current financial community issues actually date back to the Clinton administration, not Bush. Clinton signing into effect NAFTA, the trade agreements with Asia and Europe, and more importantly, the de-regulation of the financial industry, is what led to this. It takes 5-10 years for any economic policies to really make an impact on a country. Clinton benefitted from the policies of the Reagan administration, Bush is suffering from the policies of the Clinton administration, plus the dot.com collapse and 9/11.
The Bush administration’s main legacy is their do-nothing approach as this should have been seen coming at least a couple of years ago. I still can’t figure out how with all these so called financial experts running things, not one person figured out that giving hundreds of thousands of families loans they could not possibly pay back was not a good thing to do.
By "The Corporal"
September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
I just saw on the news that Senator Biden calls paying higher taxes a “patriotic act” and to think we went to war once over a “tea tax”.
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
Hooray for jay after only like 6 or 7 post Mr. Bookman gets it and sticks to his policy. Can we get a list of teh groups we are not allowed to attack?
By BubbaGump
September 18, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
McCain and Biden - multi-term Senators, both with documented voting records.
These are the two candidates in this election with “baggage” as Mr. Bookman puts it.
Palin and Obama - neither with much experience on the national level. Both with some experience on the state level. One with experience on the local level.
These two both have a “blank public record” as Mr. Bookman puts it. He, however, chooses to focus on only one of these candidates. How sad - neither candidate has much of a record to see how they might actually perform going forward.
There isn’t much difference in Ms. Palin’s or Mr. Obama’s experience levels when you compare their records. Both are relative newbies on the national level - both are partial-term politicos in their current positions.
gttim - earlier you wrote:
“Again, get some facts straight, in 2005 the GOP controlled the senate. The Dems did not take control until 2006. How are Pelosi and group at fault because the corrupt GOP did not pass a regulatory reform bill in 2005? It has nothing to do with 60 votes for cloture. The GOP controlled the senate in 2005. “
When did Ms. Pelosi get elected to the Senate? YOU need to get YOUR facts straight!
By hillbilly ragger
September 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
BS Aplenty, not that you wrote the nonsense you’ve posted (I doubt you’ve even read it), but there’s nothing “racist” about TUCC.
And what’s more, your side shot its wad on this non-issue about six months ago. You really think anyone gives a crap about Rev. Wright any more? I mean, beyond those who were never going to vote for the “half-n#gger” anyway?
By liberltarian
September 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Here’s another proven Bush lie. “all wiretapping of U.S. citizens requires a warrant”
By Undecided
September 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
I’ve tried to be objective and open-minded in learning about Obama and evaluating Obama’s positions and platform. So far, both are suspect, ever-“changing”, and don’t pass the “smell” test. I just can’t put my finger on it but Obama and an administration under Obama scares me as a middle-class taxpayer (including trying to interpret Obama’s definition middle-class)…..
By "The Corporal"
September 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
To hillbilly ragger
That’s over the top. You should be ashamed but I doubt you are.
By getalife
September 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
“John McCain has been all over the map recently, especially when it comes to the economic crisis that’s been hammering Wall Street. He also managed to make some interesting - or rather, bizarre - remarks about Spain on Wednesday. See more articles below on McCain’s actions over the last few weeks.
McCain Remarks Appear To Reject Spain As Ally:
Late Wednesday night, news made its way from the other side of the Atlantic that John McCain, in an interview with a Spanish outlet, had made a series of bizarre responses to a question regarding that country’s prime minister.
“Would you be willing to meet with the head of our government, Mr. Zapatero?” the questioner asked, in an exchange now being reported by several Spanish outlets.
McCain proceeded to launch into what appeared to be a boilerplate declaration about Mexico and Latin America — but not Spain — pressing the need to stand up to world leaders who want to harm America.
McCain Flip-Flops On AIG Bailout: Rejects It Tuesday, Says It’s Okay Wednesday:
Republican presidential candidate John McCain, a day after flatly rejecting the idea of a taxpayer bailout for American International Group Inc., said Wednesday that the government had been “forced” into proposing an $85 billion loan to the nation’s largest insurer.
McCain appeared to soften his opposition to the bailout proposed by the Federal Reserve, treating the plan as a necessary evil to protect ordinary Americans with finanical ties to AIG and asserting that such a financial collapse should not be allowed to happen again. He also called for an investigation to uncover any wrongdoing.
NY Times: McCain All Over The Place On The Economy:
On Monday morning, as the financial system absorbed one of its biggest shocks in generations, Senator John McCain said, as he had many times before, that he believed the fundamentals of the economy were “strong.”
Hours later he backpedaled, explaining that he had meant that American workers, whom he described as the backbone of the economy, were productive and resilient. By Tuesday he was calling the economic situation “a total crisis” and denouncing “greed” on Wall Street and in Washington.
McCain Slams Wall Street “Fat Cats” Who Are His Biggest Donors:
John McCain struck a tough, quasi-populist pose this morning during his morning sweep of the television news shows. Speaking to NBC’s Matt Lauer about the current crisis on Wall Street, the Republican nominee said executives have “treated it like a casino and need to be held accountable and stop walking away with these fat-cat packages.”
Leave aside for the moment the fact that one of McCain’s top economic advisers, former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, walked away with a $42 million “golden parachute” after being fired. Overall, the generic Wall Street “fat cat” is a tough character for McCain to cast as his nemesis, given his success in fundraising among their ranks. As Bloomberg reported Monday night, securities and investment companies have collectively donated millions to both McCain and Barack Obama.
Time’s Joe Klein: “Increasing Numbers Of Otherwise Sober Observers… Are Calling John McCain A Liar”:
Politics has always been lousy with blather and chicanery. But there are rules and traditions too. In the early weeks of the general-election campaign, a consensus has grown in the political community — a consensus that ranges from practitioners like Karl Rove to commentators like, well, me — that John McCain has allowed his campaign to slip the normal bounds of political propriety. The situation has gotten so intense that we in the media have slipped our normal rules as well. Usually when a candidate tells something less than the truth, we mince words. We use euphemisms like mendacity and inaccuracy … or, as the Associated Press put it, “McCain’s claims skirt facts.” But increasing numbers of otherwise sober observers, even such august institutions as the New York Times editorial board, are calling John McCain a liar. You might well ask, What has McCain done to deserve this? What unwritten rules did he break? Are his transgressions of degree or of kind?”
Um, McLiar is losing it.
By mike hussein smith
September 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
ButtHead, you couldn’t handle plain English if it was biting you in the a—. The Obama-will-tax-everybody gambit is not based on plain English. IT is based on a GOP lie that has been discredited by economists and financial analysts across the country.
I hope your ballot is written in Swahili.
September 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Let’s try plain English, oh wait that is NOT our official language, because the dimacrats keep blocking it. But never the less in English some simple FACTS
Obama wants to raise taxes; this is because they do NOT know how to balance a check book. McCain wants to cut taxes; this alone should get your vote! Biden feels it is Patriotic to pay more taxes, and what is he smoking? McCain wants to ELIMINATE earmarks. Obama wants MORE earmarks.
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Bosch Obama has 2 former CEO of Freddie and Fannie, so that makes me feel real comfy and secure how about you?
By Midori
September 18, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
John McCain and the Lying Game
By liberltarian
September 18, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Questioning:
The Bushs did see it coming and encouraged it. Remember Bush’s ‘ownership society’ speachs. The Bushs are elitists of the worst kind. By ownership society they mean they own us. The Clintons are really no better although I would have taken Hillary over the neo-con controlled version of Mccain any day.
I will vote for Obama because Ron Paul can’t win and Obama is less likely to start a nuclear war.
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
I always find it odd that everyone thinks we should punish the “fat cat” who walks with the golden parachute by letting the company go bankrupt…what about the thousands of employees who have nothing to do with the decisions that led to the failure and have no parachute, golden or otherwise, except for 26 weeks of unemployment?
By jasper
September 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
We have no record of achievment to actually believe that Obama can do what he promises. So lets take a look at his sphere of influence and associates, and judge by that.
Narrowing down to just Chicago, Cook County, Southside. How has Obama’s magic touch improved the lives of its citizens.
Hows the crime rate, approaching 400 murders for the year, more people killed in Chicago last year than soldiers in Iraq.
Hows the education? Drop out rate average in Chicago city schools is 64%. These schools rank last among US major cities.
Hows the tax rate in Cook County? 10.61%, 2nd highest in the land.
Moving on to major associates:
Bill Ayers - convicted terrorist Tony Rezko - convicted of fraud Rev. Wright - retires in disgrace due to political liability to campaign. Jim Johnson - crooked chairmen of Fannie Mae. Frank D. Raines - Crooked chairmen of Fannie Mae.
I can understand you people infatuated with the prospect of a minority president. God knows this country needs a good one. But this is a classic example of “Be Careful what you wish for.”
By Midori
September 18, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
GOP senator: A ‘stretch’ to say Palin is qualified
shouldn’t you wingnuts be busy sending him hate mail?
By Mike
September 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Seems to be me that anyone who really thinks that Palin doesn’t have enough foreign affairs experience to be VP would also think that Obama certainly doesn’t have enough foreign affairs experience for the top job.
Unless, of course, you are a mindless partisan hack like Bookman who makes all of his decisions based on partisan stupidity.
Apart from the mindless partisans on either side, most folks think both Palin and Obama are a bit underqualified. Unfortunately for the left, it is their inexperienced candidate who is running for the meaningful position.
Pavlovian hacks like Bookman are doing a tremendous disservice to the Obama campaign by continuing to dwell on experience. But then again, nobody ever accuses Bookman of letting rational thought get in the way of mindless partisanship.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it a pity, the liberals have run Sarah Palin through their wringer, like jackals they set upon her hometown, they hopped in bed with every disgruntled Alaskan Repug they could find whispering sweet sicknesses in their ears, they peered into her church windows deathly afraid that God would smote their as-ses should they open the door, heck, they even “wiretapped” her personal email account, and after all that, they have……………………nothing.
How fitting it is seeing how their candidate is also……………………nothing.
By Den Fried
September 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management Why must you copy and paste articles in this forum? Yours aren’t comments - it’s propaganda. You don’t need to post anymore, anyway. Everybody already knows that your organization is just another front for right-wing ideologues. You certainly aren’t changing anyone’s mind by posting reprinted articles and pretending it’s original. How insulting to the thinking people who post real opinions. We don’t need you.
By Kimberly Peacock
September 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Are we really governed and reported to by idiots? They keep saying that the Obama plan will give tax cuts to the middle class, but they provide an investment penalty, and they penalize small business. What good is the tax cut if you have no income because there are no jobs? Obama keeps promoting Big Business and Big Government and we know scientifically that they are prone to cascade failures that can destruct the entire network on which they are based. We also know scientifically that networks such as living organism favor distributed adaptable networks because they are more robust and rarely suffer catastrophic failure. Why is no one shouting from the roof tops the emperor has no clothes? They are treating middle class Americans as if they are stupid, and are incapable of understanding the truth. What is more disturbing is that the media uses the authority principle to sell Obama and these authorities which have a stake in the status-quoi feed the same bull and sell Americans down the river.
Media wake up and do the right things by the country. Networks have certain laws that govern them. Look up Lazlo Barabasi and ask him about the dangers of centralized systems! There is a scientific basis for why capitalism is superior to socialism, and why we need small distributed government versus big government. Centralized systems are useful only in generating standards.
Obama don’t tell me you are for the middle class, when you are just selling them into indentured servitude to big corporations! Show me how you will bring wealth creation to the middle class.
By Den Fried
September 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management Why must you copy and paste articles in this forum? Yours aren’t comments - it’s propaganda. You don’t need to post anymore, anyway. Everybody already knows that your organization is just another front for right-wing ideologues. You certainly aren’t changing anyone’s mind by posting reprinted articles and pretending it’s original. How insulting to the thinking people who post real opinions. We don’t need you.
By FrankLeeDarling
September 18, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
McCain /Palin too much polyestrogen
By FrankLeeDarling
September 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
McCain /Palin too much polyestrogen
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
tcoach,
Not sure what you are referring to, but yes, much more comfortable than an economic plan designed by one of the major players who caused this mess.
And called us a nation of whiners.
Nope, that doesn’t sit well with me.
By FrankLeeDarling
September 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Hey jesus no free rides in this country ,where do think earmark Pallin gets the money. U.S TAXPAYERS.
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Kimberly,
You obviously haven’t read Obama’s economic plan, or you like to lie, one or the other.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
By Den Fried September 18, 2008 1:30 PM AJC/DNC Management Why must you copy and paste articles in this forum? Yours aren’t comments - it’s propaganda.
Yeah, I know, censorship, “fairness doctrine,” “the debate is settled,” blah, blah, blah.
And then the pinkos would live happily ever after!
By Shawny
September 18, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Joe Biden, socialist
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Bosch, Rains and Jim Johnson were both former CEOs of Fred. and Fan. They were both very responsible for the last week’s events. It was their decisions that started teh whole process. Now they are members of teh Obama financial advisors team. So that means the guy is getting his financial information from 2 guys who started the whole mess for large coorporations to begin with. Granted Grahmm did not do any type of an adaquate job, however he is the former advisor of McCain, while Rains and Johnson(the ones who screwed F and F ARE Obama’s advisors. Is that not different to you. The guy has what amounts to coorporate criminals on his advisory committee.
By Midori
September 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Shawny, Wingnut Moran
By Bosch
September 18, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
tcoach,
Nice try, but government deregulation is what has caused this mess.
They didn’t write his plan, Gramm wrote McCain’s plan and it isn’t any different than what we have now.
Off to the other thread.
By hotlanta
September 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
Why is Mcshame giving Obama grief about turning down Linda Drughan when he accuses him of being around celebrities too much. Let’s talk about the issues McShame.
By hotlanta
September 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
Why is Mcshame giving Obama grief about turning down Linda Drughan when he accuses him of being around celebrities too much. Let’s talk about the issues McShame.
By tcoach
September 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
So you think it is a good thing to have guys that escaped with MILLIONS and screwed a company and an economy to be Obama’a advisors, these are who he goes to for economic advice. Also it is debatable whether deregulation, minority and underprivladged, or a do nothing congress caused this mess. But hey lets go with criminals
By BS Aplenty
September 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Jay, I am surprised.
You failed to post my personally written, factual analysis of candidate Obama’s racism. Forshame on you, sir.
I can only surmise that the truths about the Trinity United Church of Christ are too difficult for you to address and too damning for your candidate. I’ve posted similar comments before without commentary from you or your readers and yet this time you simply delete the material altogether. Forshame, sir, forshame.
So here’s what I’ll do. I’ll post a random paragraph each day from one of the “doctrinal” books of the Trinity United Church of Christ, say A Black Theology of Liberation and give you my comments and analysis on it. After all, this is where your candidate worshipped for twenty years. Seems like fair game to me, right?
I’ll let you delete any of these posts you like - and repost it on Wooten’s site, Right Thinking. We’ll let your readers judge you for themselves why you don’t want them to know about candidate Obama’s racism.
Each day. From now ‘til the election.
By dudley do right
September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
By Den Fried
September 18, 2008 1:34 PM
My sentiments exactly!!!!!!
Please go Bye bye .. AJC/DNC Management.
By Southern ATL
September 18, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
WHILE TRAVELING ABROAD I WOULD MEET PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE U.S. THEY ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE SOUTH. THEY WOULD ASK WHY THE RACE RELATIONS WERE SO COMPLICATED….I WOULD TELL THEM THAT IT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT SEEMS…I CAN NO LONGER TELL THAT LIE…WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS THAT ARE CONDUCTED IN GA CONCERNING THIS PRESIDENTIAL RACE…AND GA IS STILL CARRYING MCCAIN…WE KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL LIVING DURING THE JIM CROW ERA…I AM ACTUALLY EMBARASSED TO TELL ANYONE THAT GA HAS COME A LONG WAY….HISTORY WILL NOW BE WRITTEN THAT THE RACIST SOUTH STILL LIVES….THANK GOD THAT OBAMA WILL WIN BECAUSE OF THE NORTH….
By @@
September 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
jay bookman:
But the McCain camp has taken that approach still further by creating a version of reality that is no longer tethered in any way to actual reality.
And is OBlahMa the same candidate the leftists voted for during the primaries? I think not.
Only yesterday I read where OBlahMa, the candidate of CHANGE is perceived as running seventy-seven percent of the negative ads compared with 56 percent negative spots run by McCain.
There are good reasons why OBlahMa hasn’t been able to close the gap.
He’s boxed himself in, and he can’t get out. Words matter because they come back to bite him in the a-ss.
And this?
Just this week, Sen. John McCain completely shed his identity as an ardent and longtime advocate of financial deregulation. It was as if the past had never happened and that earlier version of John McCain had never existed.
You know that’s not true but still you choose to ignore his support of regulations. Wrestling with your own journalistic integrity, are you?
Mavericks are range rovers jay. Their party can’t fence ‘em in. McCain will be what he’s always been……the moderate Republican pushing for real change.
OBlahMa will be what he’s always been. A Saul Alinsky radical organizer looking for a community. He won’t find that community in Greater America.
By Time for an overhaul
September 18, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Jay, You could have just as easily been describing the Obama campaign. Neither of the campaigns are founded in reality or “facts.” Between the candidate and their image makers and spinners there is no reality but what they want you to have.
God help this country! WE need strong leadership and I’m afraid neither side has anything of real substance to offer right now. Palin has more executive experience than all three of them, but no foreign policy experience…neither McCain or Obama no jack about economics and Biden is a lifetime “government” politician…what exactly is he bringing to the party…
With our deficient soaring to frightening new heights while we bail out another bunch of crooks (and don’t go blaming the Repubs or the Dems - there is plenty of blame on both sides).
Who on either side of this coin is going to start ripping out unnecessary government agencies to cover some of the costs? If we don’t start killing off some of the useless agencies and eliminating lifetime political jobs that we’re funding, Middle income America is about to cease to exist.
By Chris Salzmann
September 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management said:WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
Committing treason is not an attribute.
But Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
FACT: In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of American forces in Iraq.
There is no connection whatsoever between signing an agreement on the future presence of US forces in Iraq and starting a gradual withdrawal now. What don’t you understand between “Future Presence” and “Current Withdrawal”?
Its interesting that the only media pushing your story as fact are: Worldnetdaily, NY Post, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.
Just like these very same guys don’t play the TRUE story of Palin’s Troopergate issue and the Republican campaign to now halt this Bi-partisan (there are more Republicans than Democrats on the Investigative Committee) investigation into Palin’s alleged wrongdoing. If it isn’t true, why the stalling? Why the coverup???
Why not come up with some reliable sources instead of the standard Right Wing Slime machine?
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Hey Soose…you are an idiot. If someone doesn’t want to vote for Obama, you think it is because they are rascist? That is a crock! I am not voting for Obama because he has no ability to lead our contry, because he has no experience and he has no plans other than ones that will bring this country to complete ruin. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it and I am entitled to vote for who I think is the best, not for who YOU think is best and i certainly do not vote for someone simply because they are black or white…thought it is obvious that YOU do!
You making assumptions is what prejudice is all about. You sir, must be a racist then.
By Kelly
September 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
On “The View” John McCain was asked about Sarah Palin and earmarks. He said, “no, she’s not taken any as Governor.”
The Wall Street Journal had a story that in fact Palin’s project list totals $453 million dollars.
Will we hear John McCain admit that he was wrong? Will we hear Sarah Palin repeat the lie?
By Questioning
September 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Hey soosa, my apologies…my comment was meant for Southern ATL, not you. I read the names in the wrong place. I really apologize…Southern ATL is the complete idiot, not you.
By Time for an overhaul
September 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
You would think that with what is happening right now in our country that we could focus on the real issues…our economy, rising fuel prices and foreign oil dependency, the state of education and healthcare…but no even the votering public can’t do anything but point fingers and call each other names.
I don’t give a darn whether you are a Republican or a Democrat both sides make me sick!!
How about we start writing our Senators and Congressmen/women and our “candidates” to demand major reform in the way our government does business. Instead of being sucked into partisan finger-pointing, excuse making and then status quo.
Regardless who wins in November the incoming President and Vice-President have a lot of work to do. Whether you watch Fox or CNN you’re getting SPIN…open your eyes people and think for yourself, don’t let the party line get in the way of making a choice that, unfortunately comes down to who will be the lesser of two evils in a very bad economic situation facing the US and the world.
If we wish to remain a super power in the world and the land of opportunity, we better get our heads out of our butts and start demanding real change from both parties or we’ll be on the super train to ruin.
Like I said before God help us!!
By Time for an overhaul
September 18, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
You would think that with what is happening right now in our country that we could focus on the real issues…our economy, rising fuel prices and foreign oil dependency, the state of education and healthcare…but no even the voting public can’t do anything but point fingers and call each other names.
I don’t give a darn whether you are a Republican or a Democrat both sides make me sick!!
How about we start writing our Senators and Congressmen/women and our “candidates” to demand major reform in the way our government does business. Instead of being sucked into partisan finger-pointing, excuse making and then status quo.
Regardless who wins in November the incoming President and Vice-President have a lot of work to do. Whether you watch Fox or CNN you’re getting SPIN…open your eyes people and think for yourself, don’t let the party line get in the way of making a choice that, unfortunately comes down to who will be the lesser of two evils in a very bad economic situation facing the US and the world.
If we wish to remain a super power in the world and the land of opportunity, we better get our heads out of our butts and start demanding real change from both parties or we’ll be on the super train to ruin.
Like I said before God help us!!
By GEEZG
September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Southern ATL you are truly an IDIOT and living in the past…if it’s so bad in GA, why you hanging around?
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
BS, that was deleted because it was the third time you have posted that same lengthy diatribe on AJC blogs in recent days.
It cracks me up how you folks love to think yourself persecuted.
By Bud Wiser
September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
My money says this lead is only temporary, until after the debates, when Captain Teleprompter has to go i alone. I am sure, however, that no matter what question is asked, he will immediately launch into some non-related diatribe like most all liberals do; it is an unfailing trait of any politician to duck the question when he is required to give an honest answer.
Obama is boning up (yes, I said Obama, not Clinton) on topics before the debate.
to view watch here
By CJ
September 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Kimberly Peacock said, “They keep saying that the Obama plan will give tax cuts to the middle class, but they provide an investment penalty, and they penalize small business.”
Kimberly Peacock could have said that Obama would raise income and capital gains taxes for income over $250,000 while cutting taxes more than 3x more than McCain for income below $250,000, but that wouldn’t be as persuasive as her generalizations above.
Obama proposes no investment “penalty” for investment income below $250,000 (for investment income above $250,000, the capital gains rate increases from 15% to 20%). The small business “penalty” she’s talking about are higher individual income tax rates paid by all, including sole proprietors and part owners of partnerships, who earn more than $250,000/year.
These are the people who benefited most from Bush’s tax cuts, who have the lowest effective tax rates when you account for payroll taxes, and who are benefiting from the economy while the middle class and working poor fall further and further behind—often for reasons that have nothing to do with “hard work” or “market value”
By Fabb4eyes
September 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
ButtGeyser, your comment was a readable length, but as for the content, well, just let’s say that the Mayo Clinic called. They want their stool sample back.
bwa
moron
By tom
September 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
McCain: Just like Bush, only more feeble.
By BS Aplenty
September 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
Jay, my essay deserved an encore presentation - several, actually.
Simply put, your candidate associates himself with extremists and extreme viewpoints.
That’s not the kind of change we need.
By RUKiddin
September 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
Southern ATL:
Georgia is a racist state because a majority of its polled voters are leaning towards McCain?
You are the perfect example of racism. Do Obama a favor and keep your archaic comments to yourself.
By RUKiddin
September 18, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
Don’t like me do ya Jay?
By Southern ATL
September 18, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this
RUKiddin I am the same race as you..and to GEEZG…Actually I moved here to attend Ga Tech..When I realized that I did not have to attend 5 different colleges to get a Bachelor’s degree, I decided to stay! I sit on my porch in Grayson and I can see the moon!! Now I am an astronaut!!! PEACE
By Change
September 18, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
Anyone other than the McCain/Palin ticket will be a change.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 18, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this
How does this description sound? ” SUMMARY: Committee Serial No. 106-52. Continuation of hearings before the Subcom on Capital Markets, Securities, and Government Sponsored Enterprises to consider H.R. 3703, the Housing Finance Regulatory Improvement Act of 2000, to consolidate regulatory structure of housing-related Government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), including FNMA, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp. (Freddie Mac), and the Federal home loan banks (FHLBanks).” Newest Message Chris: I like it. Who sponsored that bill?
By Liar-loan McCain
September 18, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Alaska State Lib - Sheri: 106th Congress 2nd Session U. S. House of Representatives HR 3703 2000 Bill Tracking H.R. 3703; 106 Bill Tracking H.R. 3703 HOUSING FINANCE REGULATORY IMPROVEMENT ACT SPONSOR: Representative Richard H. Baker R-LA DATE-INTRO: February 29, 2000 LAST-ACTION-DATE: July 27, 2000 STATUS: Introduced in the House, 02/29/00 SYNOPSIS: A bill to consolidate and improve the regulation of the housing-related Government-sponsored enterprises, and for other purposes. Newest Message Alaska State Lib - Sheri: It looks like this version did not become law. But another one is listed. Let me take a look.
By Common Sense
September 18, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Well who tap into Palin e-mail account should be prosecuted! But it goes to show ALaksa is a little different the rest of the country.
Now Governor Palin will have limited foreign experience since the UN visist was cancelled!
What’s next BATMAN?
By Skeptic Tank
September 18, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this
The way you know that Jay has, yet again, nailed the Republicans, is to read the responses of the blessedly misinformed contrarians that roost on this blog each and every day.
Jay carefully constructs an argument.
The contrarians attack Obama or Pelosi and feel they have won the argument.
199 posts, and not a single REAL rebuttal of the original piece.
Game, set, match to Mr. Bookman.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 18, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this
Alaska State Lib - Sheri: Public Radio archives are often helpful. The archives are available at http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/r undownarchivehub.php and the contact information is at http://www.npr.org/contact/. I can do some searching there next. Right now I am searching a congressional database from Lexis.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 18, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
Alaska State Lib - Sheri: It looks like this version did not become law. But another one is listed. Let me take a look. Alaska State Lib - Sheri: Still looking… Chris: Richard Baker had to be involved in the final form late in the year. There is a search by name function. But I’m just guessing. Like I would know anything. Like you havent’ been doing this for years and you need my advice.
Newest Message Alaska State Lib - Sheri: Good call. Here are the cosponsors for the bill. It did not go anywhere…stayed in committee and last action was July 2000. I am searching by sponsor…
By G. Euphrates
September 19, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
*By Fred Joe Biden’s plagiarizing Karl Marx now.
“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” *
Hey, Fred — this is EXACTLY what Pres Bush said 3-1/2 years ago when taliking about the tax “rebate”….