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DEL.ICIO.USMcCain is smearing himself
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
For years, Sen. John McCain has opposed the Army’s Future Combat Systems, an effort to equip individual infantry soldiers with a full panoply of high-tech equipment — broadband capability, sensors, satellite digital communications, infrared vision, etc. If successful, it would in effect turn a soldier into a fighting cyborg.
I wrote about the FCS myself years ago, when I was doing a technology column for the AJC titled “Next”. At the time the project struck me as both extremely ambitious and extremely expensive, not to mention pretty damn cool.
I don’t know whether McCain was right to oppose the project, because I hadn’t followed it closely in recent years. But his opposition was consistent with other stances he had taken to expose Pentagon waste, such as his opposition to an in-flight refueling tanker contract with Boeing that later turned out to be corrupt. That’s the John McCain who actually deserved his image as maverick.
But this is what it has come to. As the Army Times points out, McCain’s position on the Future Combat Systems has taken a sudden and expedient turn:
“Has Sen. John McCain renounced his longtime antagonism toward the Army’s Future Combat Systems?
On Sept. 8, the Republican presidential candidate told a rally crowd in Lee’s Summit, Mo., about an Obama video message to a liberal advocacy group.
“He promised them he would, quote, ‘slow our development of Future Combat Systems,’” McCain said, according to wire reports. “This is not a time to slow our development of Future Combat Systems.”
Flashback to July, however, when his campaign furnished McCain’s economic plan to The Washington Post, declaring that “there are lots of procurements — Airborne Laser, [C-17] Globemaster, Future Combat System [sic] — that should be ended and the entire Pentagon budget should be scrubbed.”
In fact, McCain has long criticized the over-budget, behind-schedule FCS program. In 2005, he blasted the Army for allowing the program to balloon to $161 billion, and forced the service to rewrite the main FCS contract.”
The old McCain, McCain the maverick, believed the FCS is fatally flawed and tried to kill it. But when Obama took the identical position, McCain the corporate cow pony took over, citing Obama’s position as evidence that he is weak on defense and won’t protect America.
Imagine yourself as McCain, attacking Obama for taking the very same position that you yourself had taken. Do you simply turn your conscience off as you make such statements? Do you render yourself incapable of feeling shame?
McCain is asking the American people for their trust. He is trying to earn that trust through a conscious, calculated, shameless strategy of deceit. He is pioneering a Future Combat Systems for politicians, in which truth is an old-dated concept.
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By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
But private Obama really doesn’t even know what a “Future Combat System” is and if he was President he would be so busy playing Neville Chamberlain that he wouldn’t know what to do with such a system anyway.
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
Jay,
John McCain is fighting a war against time. He’s 72 years old and this IS his last shot at the White House. He knows it and he’s not going down without a fight. The gloves came off when he lost to Bush. He wants that stint in the White House in order to complete himself — to feel fulfilled. It’s personal, it’s territorial. He wants the Presidency so bad he can taste it, smell it. It’s a dog-eat-dog world and John McCain has not left his mark on it yet but he will — win or lose — he will. You can take that to the bank.
By Tom
September 15, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
We see the McCain-Palin ticket more and more evolve into a status symbol for the very lower middle class. The Repug party somehow allows them to “identify” with the few zillionaires out there and to feel they are nullifying the stigma they feel is attached to their own backgrounds and current circumstances. But then it’s been that way for the last 4 decades. Forever voting against their own personal and financial interests in order to pretend some imagined personal “success.”
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
John McBush has shown himself to be just another lying political hack, willing to sell his soul to those “agents of intolerence” that he despised just 8 years ago.
Shame, shame, shame on you, John McBush!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Here’s a bit from FactCheck.Org:
Out on the campaign trail, John McCain has been criticizing Barack Obama for proposing cuts in defense spending. But his criticism relies on a potentially misleading quote. And we found that McCain is dinging Obama for reducing spending on a program that McCain plans to eliminate entirely.
Ever wonder why wars are led by Generals and Admirals, but never, never by corporals?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer…
Did you ever see this McCain Quote from his book “Worth Fighting For”…
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president… . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”
Your 8:59 brought this to mind.
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Jay, this is typical GOP playbook stuff. Have we all forgotten the laundry list of BS we heard from Zell Miller about all those critical weapons systems that Kerry voted against… which SecDef Cheney himself said we didn’t need?
We know they’re a bunch of liars. Only difference is, they used to get surrogates to do the really blatant lying for them, but now they just do it themselves.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
* To Ms. Godzilla *
You are so, so correct. Wars are “started” by politicians, led by Admirals and Generals and FOUGHT by corporals.
P.S. They are not led or fought by community organizers.
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla,
I do remember the quote.
I think we are in for yet another round of “How low can you go in an election.” It’s all the rave. It’s the latest in no-cost-to-the-network Reality TV. It will have Nielsen standing on its head. How, you might ask, can dirty politics best “Dancing with the Stars”? It’s simple, this is “Mud Wrestling with the Politicians” and the politicians even pay the networks to have their laundry aired instead of the networks paying off a bunch of stubborn strikers to air anything at all and call it entertainment. This is politics at its 21st century finest, “Live, It’s Every Night” from now til November.
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
There’s a *smear” here but it does not come from John McCain. It comes from our painter of *smear * jobs, Jay Bookman. Having just completed a messy threesome on Palin he now moves to McCain. All his little helpers are pitching in to do their part.
Without a doubt, McCain knows more about the military than Obama. There was not a lot of combat at the Harvard Review or in the “community”. The biggest conflagration Obama has encountered was when he went to church for the battle of bigotry. But Obama knows BEST about military needs????
PUHLEEZE..let us not insult the intelligence of everyone. Bookman thinks he can cover for Obama by declaring the opposite of what is true. This technique is an old one for libs and Bookman drags it out several times a day.
Let us not continue this farce of saying that Obama is more knowledgeable in military affairs than McCain. It is too far fetched. To keep telling us a fairy tale does not make it true.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
All politicians lie. Why dont you get that Jay? I am just ready for you to start pointing out the Obama lies…
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Dusty, just answer the damn question—why was your guy McCain against this system before he was for it?
If you can’t answer Jay’s charge directly, go have a nice hot cup of STFU.
By Susan
September 15, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
McCain will say or do anything to get elected.
He has proven, time after time, that he has no conscience, no character, and no integrity.
If the American people vote him in, they have none as well.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Yes, Corporal…..
Warriors have a right to be proud of their profession and a responsibility to obey.
And, of course, you are right to suggest community organizers do not lead or fight wars…..except of course for the large numbers of veterans WHO are community organizers who used to either lead or fight.
Don’t worry, corporal….we’ll always need foot soldiers like you.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Truth…
Why don’t you get the list started? Or do you require being spoonfed talking points?
Try the inter-tubes.
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
Truth, that’s your response? “Everybody does it?”
Maybe you and Dusty oughta get a room.
By Maniac is accurate
September 15, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
So, I hear Steven Spielberg is going to do a remake of The Invisible Man. He’s pegged Joe Biden for the leading role.
By Citizen of the World
September 15, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
What respect I had for John McCain — and I at one time respected him as, yes, a maverick who didn’t toe the party line — diminished when he began reversing his position on numerous issues to appeal to his party’s base and totally vanished when he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was a tactical choice, not a practical choice for the good of the country, and it sounds like his reversal on the Future Combat Systems is tactical, as well.
What shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Dear hillbilly ragman, 9:41
Why don’t you go carry another bucket of water for your master or chop some more wood for the cause? You are a puppet repeating the Dem list of likable lies against McCain.
Why did McCain change his mind?? EASY!! The NEED CHANGED!! I doubt that you fight the Taliban in the Himalayas the same way you fight terrorists on the plains of Iraq. Situations change!! Needs change!! General Petraeus is a man who can adjust to change. John McCain is another one.
I don’t have a thing against HILLBILLYs. But you need to get out of the hills a little more, Ragger rube. And quit reading that lib literature. It will make a liar out of you every time.
By Lynn
September 15, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
By hillbilly ragger September 15, 2008 9:41 AM |
Dusty, just answer the damn question—why was your guy McCain against this system before he was for it?
If you can’t answer Jay’s charge directly, go have a nice hot cup of STFU.<<
I am rolling on the floor laughing my @SS off!
By Common Sense
September 15, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Some of the bloggers are very funny! instead of defending or agreeing with the talking point they immediately start bringing down the other guy!
This was not an either or question!
You know its funny we are giving Mr.McClain the experience tag as if he has made so many good decisions in his life and career.
When actually he has been helped by others all his life.
Funny how a man with a clear lack of intelligence can be given the tag of experience.
I guess good judgement, intelligence and having a clear vision does not count in a political race!
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
From the very same Army Times article:
In fact, McCain has long criticized the over-budget, behind-schedule FCS program. In 2005, he blasted the Army for allowing the program to balloon to $161 billion, and forced the service to rewrite the main FCS contract.
So where does McCain really stand? Some bloggers and analysts have suggested that he used the term “future combat systems” generically. Obama’s campaign maintains their candidate was speaking specifically about FCS, in which case McCain may be twisting his rival’s words.
Which are now being twisted again by Kookman.
And then it gets to the meat of the issue, conveniently^^ ignored:
McCain was quoting from a campaign video message from Obama to a liberal group that seeks to cut Pentagon funds by 15 percent.
“I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending,” Obama said in the video, recorded earlier this year. “I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of Future Combat Systems.”
Come on baby, let’s do the twist.
By Bosch
September 15, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Fighting Cyborgs? It’s CYLON Jay.
Truth,
I’m with Mrs. G. - name one lie.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Great New Obama Ad
Honorgate.
Poor John.
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzie,
Have you been playing golf with those fine “community organizers ” again? Or eating sushi with them at lunch? Or chatting with them at the Mercedes dealership?
I bet you don’t know a single “community organizer”? NO, not Habitat. Not the church outreach. Not those good people everywhere trying to help out. I’m talking about a paid “community organizer”, one that graduated from Harvard. And I am not talking about paid “volunteers” at Democrat headquarters.
Tell us about all those veterans you know who are paid “community organziers”. Waiting…waiting…while you think of a cute lil’ Godzie gambit..
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
DID Y’ALL JUST FEEL THE EARTH MOVE?
By Truth
September 15, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Hillbilly Ragger? That is your response? Why do you stoop to making comments like that? Get a room? I said nothing that ist the truth and you come at me like that? You are such a tough guy. You wouldnt last 5 seconds around us “hillbillys”. I am sure you will come back with some tough talk, but you and I both know how tough you really are. Just quit the childish remarks.
By Franklin
September 15, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
McCain’s hoping that people will think future combat systems means general weapons instead of the specific Future Combat System.
Same ploy as his claim that teaching children to avoid sexual predators is the same as teaching them about sex.
He’s betting on and in fact trying to increase the stupidity of the voters - not necessarily a losing tactic.
By Shawny
September 15, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
McCain doesn’t need to smear himself. He has ‘friends’ like Bookman doing enough of it.
Shall we go back and see how many consecutive Bookman topics have been anti-McCain and anti-Palin? Would be interesting to count them up.
hack
By N-GA
September 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Jay,
I’m sure you have come to realize that the “truth” doesn’t really matter to zealous right-wingers. You see, people tend to align themselves with those who have similar beliefs and similar faults (and similar blindspots). The fact that McCain has a problem with the truth reflects the identical character(istic) of his supporters.
To borrow someone else’s astute observation, “McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose the election!”
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Dusty, these needs all magically changed in the past two months? And not only did they magically change, but McCain couldn’t be bothered explaining the need for a change?
AJC Masturbator, are we supposed to be all askairt because you put Obama’s utterly sane words in boldface?
God, you people suck at this. Back to trool skook with you!
By Shawny
September 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
McCain clearly more bipartisan than Obama. But that is no suprise.
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
HillBilly Ragger,
Do you have any other children besides Lynn who spoke @10:04? She seems to have a “limited” vocabulary just like you.
By Shawny
September 15, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
When it comes to the economy, this guy is too much like FDR
No thanks, Karl M
By RealityKing
September 15, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
“At the time the project struck me as both extremely ambitious and extremely expensive” So John and Jay agreed, Wow!
And yes, back then it was.. But today, combat and technology advancements in the field have shown that SOME of those systems should see more research, while others should indeed be ended.
But Obama made a promise in front of a liberal audience to ‘slow our development of future combat systems’. And to a liberal audience, with no knowledge of future military weapons, that means ALL new military combat systems while your president, not just an extremely cool fighting suit with a catchy name.
So.., is Jay also advocating slowing and/or stop development of all future combat systems? Or is he in fact agreeing with McCain??
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Shorter Truth @ 10.16: “Stop hurting me! Wahhh!”
Dusty @ 10.04 these needs all magically changed in the past two months? And not only did they magically change, but McCain couldn’t be bothered explaining the need for a change?
AJC Masturbator @ 10.11, are we supposed to be all askairt because you put Obama’s utterly sane words in boldface?
God, you people suck at this. Back to trool skool with you!
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
So Management, do you NOT want Obama to “cut tens of billions in wasteful spending?”
Do you want to PRESERVE “tens of billions in wasteful spending?”
Most Americans understand that cutting wasteful spending is good, because it allows the money to be spent on NON-wasteful spending. Wasteful spending on defense weakens this country, because it takes away resources for defense programs that actually work.
That’s why the old John McCain — the McCain as of July — wanted to kill the FCS. Now he supports it, not because he thinks it’s a weapon that would help our soldiers against our enemies, but because it’s a weapon that would help HIM against HIS enemies.
So go ahead and twist … twist slowly.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
The whole Reverend Wright ordeal.
By Laura
September 15, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
Yes, I did feel the earth move.
Megyn Kelly will be residing at Gitmo soon, very soon.
By SaveOurRepublic
September 15, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Of course “Juan McAmnasty” has waffled in his rhetoric (vs. voting record). Like most politicians he’s sold out to gain the Globalist’s “power”. The Keating 5 debacle, campaign finance “reform” (ie - limiting free speech) & his multiple attempts to grant amnesty to illegals show his true Globalist colors.
However, once we see the endless propagation of the phoney Left/Right paradigm that says “McAmnasty” or “Obummer” are the only two “choices”. It’s a total load of BS folks. The GOP & DNC are two divisions of the same Internationalist party.
Enough with the sellout, Globalist puppets “Juan McAmnasty” & (coin flipside) “Bacrock Obummer”…vote 3rd party (whether Constitution (the best choice), Libertarian, Green, etc.)! Send a message to these traitors in DC!
By hillbilly ragger
September 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Well, gotta run. Food-putting-on-fambly awaits.
Rational people, be excellent to one another.
Wingnuts, try not to shoot anyone in the face.
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
HillBilly ragger,
Do you have any military experience AT ALL? I know you frequently use the words of a drunken sailor but that doesn’t really count.
I don’t know why McCain changed his mind and I don’t why Obama changes his mind as the ground shifts from under him. I do know that McCain has a clearer vision and experience than most people in Washington. He is also known as an honorable man in Congress. Therefore I think more of HIS opinions that that of a man whose military experience is ONLY the second hand opinion of advisors.
I’lll use boldface anytime I feel like it. SO THERE….
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Well, it really is difficult to argue about John McCain being the most bi-partisan politician, especially during this election cycle. Just listen to him, * I’m for it, I’m against it, I’m for it until I’m against it, I’m against it until I’m for it.* Now, how could anyone be more bi-partisan than that.
By Shrugging Atlas
September 15, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Unfortunately you can’t have a logical conversation with people like Dusty and Maniac. We’re operating on two different levels. We’re trying to operate on the level of what’s true, and they’re operating on a level of what wins.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Dusty…
I am amazed! I didn’t know! How wonderful for you!
Imagine all, Dusty gets to decide who is and who isn’t a community organizer. Dusty’s vast experience and knowledge make her the perfect person to set the appropriate parameters for community organizer.
With a wave of a hand….she can banish those she deems not suitable.
Sorry Dusty. You can’t frame this one.
Google Paul Reikoff.
By Sandra
September 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
The cynic in me is working overtime:
Is Fox thinking that we are headed for the edge of a cliff as a nation, and they would prefer that a Republican not be in office when the calamity occurs over the coming months, so they can blame the Democrat?
By BS Aplenty
September 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Why Obama is a Racist
Barrack Obama attended the Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago, Illinois, for almost twenty years. Attended, taught, learned, worshipped and sang along with his wife and children until his abrupt resignation in May 2008. That resignation brought about due to heightened national awareness of the “nature” of Obama’s congregation. That nature being brought into sharp focus by unsavory sermon tapes of former TUCC minister, Jeremiah Wright. But for all the bluster and ignorance reflected in Wright‘s sermons, though, his ranting from the pulpit only hinted at a deeper, more troubling truth about TUCC and Obama.
What is it that made a purportedly Christian church such a political liability to the first African-American nominated by a major political party? The answer to that question lies in the doctrine and teachings of TUCC. In short, this congregation, unlike ANY other United Church of Christ church in the United States, has adopted, endorsed and actively promotes the doctrine and teachings of James H. Cone. Cone systematized what has been called black liberation theology as outlined in his two books, the first entitled, Black Theology and Black Power and a follow-on, A Black Theology of Liberation. These are the only two books sold by the Trinity United Church of Christ on its website. TUCC doesn’t sell or give away the BIBLE on its website – a circumstance I find very telling.
The two books mentioned are, to say the least, “interesting” reads. Black Theology and Black Power is the seminal work on black liberation theology and A Black Theology of Liberation is a follow-up. Cone viewed his theology as, “…complete emancipation of black people from white oppression by whatever means black people deem necessary. So-called (white) Christianity, as commonly practiced in the United States, is actually the racist Antichrist.” “Theologically,” Cone affirms, “Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil’.” And there’s more but you quickly get the picture.
So there you have it, the principal doctrine endorsed and promoted by the Trinity United Church of Christ teaches the overtly racist sentiments of James H. Cone. The preaching and “ignorance”, as some say, of Wright is merely symptomatic of the problem and neglects to see that the entire TUCC congregation accepts the doctrine of Cone under the guise of a Christian church. Wright was just a mouthpiece, it’s the congregation, including Obama, which endorsed and promotes this racist doctrine.
ANY person or group that attempts to systematically demonize another group because of race is, by definition, RACIST.
Needless to say for Obama and his presidential campaign by May 2008 the ‘cat was out of the bag’. And, after twenty years of commitment to TUCC, Barrack Obama finally, cynically made a decision to leave. A decision his avid campaign supporter, Oprah Winfrey, made several years earlier as she likewise managed a business agenda with a national scope. One would have to be patently naïve not to understand the motivation behind both departures – business and political expediency. Nor is it much of a stretch to acknowledge the release of these sermon tapes focused attention on the fall-guy, Wright, while diverting a direct, and potentially, campaign-ending blow to Obama.
And yet what one is left after all the media lights have dimmed is this unsettling fact. For twenty years Barrack Obama accepted the racist doctrine of his church – twenty years. And, only when this inconvenient truth was brought to national light did he decide that maybe that doctrine was no longer acceptable.
I give you the Democratic candidate for presidency, the racist Barack Obama.
By Ray
September 15, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Hell, my wife changes her mind a good three times/day. None of us is locked into a set of mindsets that we had in the 60s or 70s or later. Change affects us all but it is necessary. The clicker is if you have a motive for change, like winning an election. Hillary and Slick Willy were masters at telling the electorate what they wanted to hear, not necessarily what was true. Hillary and other Demos are also masters at this” finger in the wind” politics. They wrote the book on it. Politicians have been telling people what they want to hear since I started voting 50yrs ago and politics has changed little since then. Best example of this…. Travolta in “Primary Colors” addressing the union crowd…… Slick Willy at his best!
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Jay: I have a problem with what Oblahma has deemed wasteful, which is exactly why I highlighted it earlier:
“I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space.
This^^ is not wasteful spending.
I suspect that this is also what McCain was talking about but apparently you wordsmiths found that itlle bitty opening to exploit…..
And, as a posted also, McCain specifically was against the FCS program being over budget, he was not against the program itself.
Big difference.
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Oh, wow. Did anyone see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY5Plqs5d98
Mitt Romney calling McCain out on his lies.
By Shrugging Atlas
September 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
BS Aplenty, we have all seen you cut and paste that same tired post in Wooten’s blog time and again. Why don’t you get a life and at the same time get an original thought. I know it might be too much to ask.
By former soldier
September 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Wow, when the Army Times is calling bullsht on McCain’s bullsht, he’s screwed. I mean, geez. The headline is: “McCain on FCS: Flip-flop or Fib. That’s got to hurt.
I really think that by the time the McCain people realize they’re not allowed to lie with impunity, it’ll be too late for them to fix it.
The “McCain’s a Liar” narrative will be set.
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Sandra: no, Fox is looking at the poll internals same as the political teams and realizing that Obama is in a good position to win and doesn’t want to have their media access totally frozen for the next 4+ years. If I’m Team Obama, that’s the deal I would cut with Rupert Murdoch: play fair or you won’t get to play and your viewers will go to CNN or somewhere else to get their information because it’ll be more timely. I’m not saying that happened in the meeting between Obama and Murdoch (a meeting that was widely reported), I’m just sayin’…
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs Godzie,
Not a good comeback. Obama was a PAID “community organizer” of whom we speak. Either that or he lived off Michelle’s earnings.
But I refer to your own words at 9:56: *the large number of veterans WHO are community advisors”.
I assume you mean PAID as that was my reference. Perhaps you can enlighten us about some that YOU KNOW, not just in your imagination to justify Obama’s years as “experience”.
I, too, know many real volunteers who work to help their community. They do not call themselves “community organizers” or get paid. They do it out of the goodness of their heart.
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
John McBush has signed on with the American Taliban — you know, the ones who want to control women’s decisions over their own family planning… the ones who want to teach “creationism” as a part of science classes in school… the ones who believe that the Bible is inerrant and historical, and therefore once on Earth we had serpents who talked and burning bushes that talked…
By Shrugging Atlas
September 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management, I think you have missed your own point. When something is deamed “unproven”, it has been shown through numerous testing, and countless dollars NOT to work. Should we continue to throw bad money after bad, or should we cut the wasteful spending of programs that do not work. If they worked they would be considered “proven”, but I guess my logic/wordsmithing might be lost on you.
By T
September 15, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
Mitt Romney and Fox news all calling McCain a liar? What is going on? I’m a little scared.
By Stick to the issues
September 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Its so sad that we are now reduce to insulting people for wanting to do good in their communities! Yes he was a community organizer, but a community organizer with a law degree from one of the top schools, if not the top school in the country. How many of us can add that to a resume? But like it has been stated before this articles wasn’t even about Senator Obama at all but why did Senator McCain change his position on this issue? Throwing insults back and forth doesn’t camouflage any of the issues at all. Its very sad that this is what our democracy has been reduced too! So, so sad!!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Dusty did you do as I asked?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
McCain this morning on the economy
Earth to McCain!
By Swami Dave
September 15, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
The positive news to this point is that (if it is a policy change as Jay suggests), Senator McCain has taken his side on the right side of the issue. Namely, increasing the effectiveness of our soldiers and improving their ability to relay more time-sensitive data from the fields to the decisions-makers planning strategy.
Unfortunately, his opponent continues on the wrong side of the issue in promising to his liberal audiences that he will get rid of this program and its “wasteful spending”. Were he to, at least, take that savings against our governments already deficit-spending tendencies, we could give credit for that. However, the “savings” will be respent many times over on certain “wasteful spending” programs redistributing wealth to those who should be earning it for themselves and their family.
-Swami Dave
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Dusty: Obama was a PAID “community organizer” of whom we speak. Either that or he lived off Michelle’s earnings. He was paid. I read he was paid a little over $20K per year for three years from ages 24-27. Basically, what a school teacher made.
By Ray
September 15, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Byte me,
Either way, the American electorate looses. It is still managed news and gets worse when someone negotiates with the media to sell their own point of view. Good example….. compare the questions that Gibson asked Palin against the ones he asked The Annointed One. “Are you really experienced enough to be a heartbeat from the presidency” as opposed to “Do you like your coffee black or with cream and sugar.” The American electorate is not stupid enough to by this crap and the MSM takes us for a bunch of dullards. America is fed up with this bias….. Bookman, Luko, Tucker, the NYT, CNN, Gibson, Katie and Brian. All trying to sell more corn plasters and denture adhesives… and who looses? We all do.
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
I think we need to get McCain’s loyal following here on Jay’s blog to start going after the enemy within. How can they just stand by and let Romney and FOX say things about their new leader. But wait, they’re probably just lying because their new leader is leading by example and what better example to follow. So, lie away Republicans.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
By Shrugging Atlas September 15, 2008 10:52 AM AJC/DNC Management, I think you have missed your own point. When something is deamed “unproven”, it has been shown through numerous testing, and countless dollars NOT to work.
Missile Defense works.
Any other stupid suggestions for me, my man?
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Well, Ray, since “looses” is properly spelled “loses” (and you did it twice, so it wasn’t a typo), I’m going to assume the loss for you happened earlier in your life.
As for your media biases, I noted you don’t think FOX News is biased. Wonder why that is if it’s the one network people watch to get misinformed about what’s going on in politics? That information, by the way, is based on numerous polls of who watches what and what they “know” about what’s going on in the world.
And you don’t think that during Obama’s 20+ months running for president he was asked that question at least, oh, I don’t know, a thousand times? Hard to imagine, but maybe the “paranoid right” can imagine it… as only they can.
By slinkymalinky
September 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
The only thing McCain is smearing on himself is Sarah’s lipstick! Palin is so popular right now she could run for Queen of America. McCain for Prime Minister!
Queen Sarah! Queen Sarah!
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Continue the graffito, dear libs. I expect that is the best you can do with the candidate you have. Accusations, lies, smears, intimidations, lines out of context..you name it ‘cause you use them all.
You have gone so far as to make it rediculous. Forget the REAL enemy. Smear McCain and Palin. That’s who is running against Obama, the most inexperienced candidate to ever be offered by a political party.
But live it up to the disgrace of America. But,hey! WHO CARES? Not liberals. It’s SMEAR ANYWHERE. It’s elect Obama or bust.
Americans who honor this country will never justify such nefarious behavior. You’ll see.
See ya later…maybe…
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Huh:
The current lib blog-MSM-campaign tack—getting outraged by McCain’s “lies”—is a total loser strategy. Why?
Lecturing the public on what’s ‘true” and what’s a “lie” (when the truth isn’t 100% clear) plays into some of the worst stereotypes about liberals—that they are preachy know-it-alls hiding their political motives behind a veneer of objectivity and respectability.
Mickey Kaus, Slate.
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Wow, what a beautiful morning it is! As always, the sun rose in the east, the grass continued to grow, and John “Jethro Bodine” McCain continued to lie! There’s this lack of character thing that keeps coming up like a weed in your garden.
Bush/McCain - Gambling with our children’s future!
By Dan
September 15, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
Sarah Palin’s only qualification is that she hasn’t had an abortion. She needs to be put back in the kitchen, where women belong..
By RW-(the original)
September 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
I suspect this is more silly word games, and also keep in mind that the Army Times is just another Gannett publication like USA Today.
By Ray
September 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Byte me,
Dictionary would be useful. My comments are not directed at the people on this blog or on other blogs, whether left or right in opinion. They are usually pretty well informed, right or wrong, but well read. I am most worried in a controlled media as to how it affects those in our nation who couldn’t find Iraq on a map or thinks that the Vietnam War happened in 1912 and a growing number of voters fall into this category. Read results of a poll a few weeks back …. voters in their early twenties…. most didn’t know who the Sec of State was and 25% couldn’t identify the Vice President!! A controlled media speaks to these people in a loud voice and wins elections. Yes, Fox is pretty right leaning but the scale has been tipped in the other direction for a very long time and is still not level.
By LiarLiar
September 15, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
When Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats took control of Congress in January of 2007, they promised to lower gas by implementing their “common-sense plan”.
How did that turn out?
By SaveOurRepublic
September 15, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Ray @ 11:05 AM - You’ve got the gist of things when you state “Either way, the American electorate looses. It is still managed news and gets worse when someone negotiates with the media to sell their own point of view.”. However, it’s beyond simply just managed news, it’s mostly totally controlled propaganda. It’s not relegated to just “Faux” News though…most all “mainstream” media outlets crank out the propaganda. With the exception of rare bits of truth (from Lou Dobbs, John Stossel, etc.), the Globalist Elite’s “mainstream” media continues to take a page from Edward Bernays’ masterpiece in order to keep the sheeple soundly deceived!
By RW-(the original)
September 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
BWA….
Sarah just reminded the good people of Colorado that she stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.
Please don’t have a stroke, Jay.
Later!
By LiarLiar
September 15, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
In Obama’s latest attack ad, he claims that John McCain doesn’t support equal pay for women.
Image that.., the man who just selected a women as his number two is evidently only going to pay her 77% of Cheney’s VP salary..
By LiarLiar
September 15, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Obama promised to end the Iraq war the first year in office. Then revised that to within 16 month, then promising to consult with his Generals, and ummmm, err, the Iraqi’s too..
What’s the latest on that one??
By RM
September 15, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
John McCain told a rally crowd in Missouri that Senator Obama has promised he would slow the development of Future Combat Systems. According to wire reports McCain said, “This is not a time to slow our development of Future Combat Systems.”
But, John McCain has himself criticized the over-budget, behind-schedule FCS program. In 2005, he criticized the Army for allowing the program’s spending to balloon to $161 billion, and he forced the Army to rewrite the main FCS contract.
Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute said, “Future Combat Systems is the centerpiece of Army modernization. However, McCain has been more critical of it than anyone else in the chamber.”
Does John McCain not remember criticizing the program?
John McCain isn’t the person we need to be President in 2009.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
RM…. but the guy who said “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” is the guy we need to be President?
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Ray,
I happen to agree with most of your sentiments. “News” is now part of the entertainment divisions of the big three and the cable networks just need eyeballs so they manufacture stuff to keep people interested and tuning back in. Yuck.
On the other hand, because the messenger isn’t always up and up doesn’t make the message any less relevant. You just have to learn to back up the information with your own research, something most people don’t have time to do.
…………
Aw crap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdzeTq6YPg0
Stupid stupid stupid…..
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Anybody else notice that the capitalists let the Dow “bottom out” at the opening bell, started buying at the low end and are now selling again, after the mini rally, at a profit?
Just like I said they would?
I love it when the libs go “Krugman.”
By Swami Dave
September 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Hey Jay…..
Are you going to devote a blog article to associating the comments of a moron (Dan) to the entire class of opponents to John McCain?
…or was that attempt to slander an entire group (with legitimate / informed opposition to Senator Obama) by association to the insulting comments of one poster (Tony) a one-way street?
I would expect that, if you were to write one, it would assert that Dan is an idiot and not representative of the majority of others who have, what you consider, to be valid opposition to Senator McCain.
I would have to agree with you on that point (as I said as much in response to your post about Tony last week).
It is sad that those with whom you disagree were not afforded the same courtesy last week when Tony was pitched as representative of their entire group.
-Swami Dave
By LiarLiar
September 15, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Obama: “I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.”
My how delightfully cynical he really is since 90 percent of all startups fail. In fact they don’t generate any capital gains worth taxing. And for those companies which do manage to go public, it means more money for the entrepreneurs, and less for public shareholders, who will still have to pay taxes if they buy and sell the company shares at a profit. Tax cut??
By getalife "exaggerators"
September 15, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Still dropping Andy.
Keep buying and save the market.
Black Monday but McCain spews its all good.
Bad move McLiar.
He just lost.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
al-Gitmo: I already got what I need from this day, golden Repug rule #1, never get greedy, haha.
But do keep on with the shrieking, I need some turmoil for tomorrow.
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Jesus would never have been considered a mayor or a governor, or even a Senator for that matter — He would’ve been considered more of a “community organizer” than compared to any other job description.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
To Mrs. Godzilla
Yes, you are so correct again that people like you will always need foot soldiers like us.
I know this is mean spirited, but the sad truth is that we (the foot soldiers) don’t need people like you. In spite of that, our soldiers are doing their duty as they always do.
“For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.”
Author Unknown
“I have the sense from time to time that I am not alone, and I suspect that despite the limited understanding we have of events in distant places, there will always be those among us who have the gleam of the quest in their eyes. They are people of every sex and station and the yearn to be challenged to a cause. They will always be looking for that wrong to right, that ill to cure, that song to sing; and there will always be those who will go to arms in aid of the helpless and the downtrodden. Ignoring the political issues of the moment, these people will champion the weak and the poor in the face of evil and tyranny. And no matter what the outcome, in their romantic hearts they will always keep the secret, if secret it must be, that they are better men for having held the lamp beside the golden door”.
“If there was immorality in the war in Vietnam, it was that a democratic nation called her citizens to war, had them killed by the tens of thousands, and then, like a faithless lover, turned and scorned the survivors. Oh, perfidious nation!”
“ONCE A WARRIOR KING” (Vietnam) by David Donovon
By Truth
September 15, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
PLEASE!!! Obama is not Jesus…
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Actually Coporal with out people like me…foot soldiers would not get paid.
Try again.
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Truth: PLEASE!!! Obama is not Jesus…
And McCain-Palin is not honorable enough to have earned your vote.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
To Goldie
Sorry, but Jesus was not a community organizer.
He was God in the flesh - the Saviour of the world and very narrow minded about it at that ……….
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
“Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.”
By tcoach
September 15, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
You cannot compare someone to Jesus then denounce the teachings of. Do not use the community organizer quote, if you are going to bash Palin for her views or if you are even going to attack the rep. stance on abortion. Either Jesus was a man and his teachings are holy or he was just another guy one of which praise is not to be given. This is an issue people need to ecide where they stand. It cannot be both, you cannot make fun of a candidate for their religous views then support your candidate with the same views.
By BS Aplenty
September 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Shrugging Atlas @ 10:59
It’s all me, hunchback - all the time.
Just attribute my fine work to the benefits of an excellent public education delivered by the state of Georgia. You should try some independent research sometimes, it’ll do you good.
By BS Aplenty
September 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Shrugging Atlas @ 10:59
It’s all me, hunchback - all the time.
Just attribute my fine work to the benefits of an excellent public education delivered by the state of Georgia. You should try some independent research sometimes, it’ll do you good.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Gotta disagree BIG TIME.
Jesus is the perfect model of the community organizer!
He not only got all that huge crowd on the mount, he gave an inspirational sermon and then found a way to feed them all.
That’s community organizing.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
To Mrs. Godzilla
1) You started this this morning by making that “snide” comment about “corporals” on something not even addressed to you.
2) You obviously avoid the main point (kept by better men or women than yourself) by invoking pay. Yes, we get “paid” and we “pay” in blood. Your viewpoint is hard for me to understand knowing your husband’s background.
3) But that’s o.k.
“For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.” Author Unknown
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
C’mon…Mitt Romney, Fox News, AND Karl Rove all disavow and say McCain’s ads are full of lies and are over the top???
And somehow you can DEFEND this??
Whatever side you are on-Honesty should be the utmost quality we desire!
At least be honest enough-hell, if ROVE can be honest about the ads, why can’t YOU?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/14/karl-rove-mccains-ads-havn126280.html
watch it with your own lyin’ eyes…
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Yes, I was snarky this morning.
Sorry, if I hurt your feelings.
No, Corporal I did not avoid the main point, you obfuscate!
The main point you made was that foot soldiers did not need us.
Pay, while perhaps a crude concept to you, is not to the foot soldier or his family.
Your service, while certainly to your credit, does not make you any better or worse that any other American.
Nor, does your service, as a foot soldier, give you a more informed perspective on military and national security issues.
You were a good soldier. So was Mr. G. So was my dad, all my uncles, grandfathers etc…..but that does not give you any type of omniscience.
I assume you think there is only one way to fight for your country and that it requires military service.
That’s a pretty limited view.
By Swami Dave
September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
To paraphase one of the most memorable election lines of all time:
I know Jesus Christ. He is a personal friend of mine. And your candidate, Senator Obama, is NO Jesus Christ.
Stupid, misguided, but a good try to prop up your quickly fading candidate none-the-less.
-Swami Dave
By Truth
September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
ByteMe…. but a man who calls his own grandmother a typical white person is honorable enough for my vote?
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
Then why didn’t he keep feeding them?
They followed Him everywhere thinking that would happen and He often hid from them ………….
Why? Because He came to give them eternal bread !
By Mike
September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Ever notice that Bookman never looks for dirt on anyone except conservatives.
Could it be that Bookman really doesn’t care good government, honest, smears, etc.? Or is that Bookman thinks that no Democrats ever do anything wrong?
Could it be that Jay is just another intellectually dishonest partisan hack much like Michael Savage or Sean Hannity and that his bleatings should be disregarded as the partisan dreck that it is?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Truth….
and just what color is your grandmother?
does she consider herself typical?
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Did i REALLy see someone post that Jesus was “narrowminded?”
Let’s stop with the religious references…as if Christianity were the ONLY path…
Idea for changing the title of Jay’s blog today..
McCain is SOILING himself.
Far more accurate.
By onefreeman
September 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Now I know how W got elected. The only thing that matters is, my party wins.
republicans are masteres at saying one thing and doing something opposite. And teh po’ republican electorate, just shrugs and says “well your man lies too”.
Just think, I once thought I was a conservative. But republican conservative = hypocrit and I’m not a hypocrit.
By Midori
September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
who was that bragging about the “huge” audiences McInsane was drawing?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
corporal
sorry, but now you are just babbling….
By ByteMe
September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
Truth: One of my grandmothers was a typical white person. The other was a little batty. I loved them both anyway…. Not sure what your point is.
By Mike
September 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
“Just think, I once thought I was a conservative. But republican conservative = hypocrit and I’m not a hypocrit.”
Cool. Now go learn how to spell.
And remember: all Republicans are bad and all Democrats are good. That’s what Jay thinks too!
By Midori
September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
Yup.
Something he does well.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
Ah, but this is exactly where you do err.
Service in fighting for one’s country does make one a better American than service by one who tries to tear it down.
Col. David Hackworth was a BETTER American than Jane Fonda. Being equal under the law has nothing to do with being better.
But then in our hearts we both know that - don’t we ………….
IT IS THE SOLDIER
It is the Soldier, not the minister Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
©Copyright 1970-2005 by Charles M. Province
By Truth
September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
Neither of my grandmothers are with us anymore… thanks.
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Swami @ 12:52 — and I wonder how many “swamis” were Jesus’ friend back in the day? And no one here said that Obama is Jesus Christ — just comparing the 2 job descriptions, that’s all! You can try to deflate the work of community organizers all you want, but the impact of that work on people’s personal lives is transformational. Very similar to the work that Jesus performed back in his day.
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Mike,
Since more lies, right now, are coming from the Right Wing Repug machine (as stated by Rove, Romney, and hell, even their own personal cheerleaders, Fox “News”)-there’s just so much more to choose from!!!!!
If you’ve read Jay’s columns long enough (that is, longer than this election cycle) you’ll see he has “bashed” all sides….
Grow UP. Instead of looking at the message, you insist on attacking the messenger. At least TRY to be open minded enough to read the MESSAGE.
Tell me—would Jay’s comments be as objectionable if they came from Fox News, or Rove????????????
If so, I advise you-don’t turn on your t.v. if that’s the case.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
Babbling? Good debating tactic. If you don’t want to debate just say so and you will never hear from me again.
Your choice.
By DebbieDoRight
September 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
From Dusty:Without a doubt, McCain knows more about the military than Obama. There was not a lot of combat at the Harvard Review or in the “community”. The biggest conflagration Obama has encountered was when he went to church for the battle of bigotry. But Obama knows BEST about military needs????
Oh Dusty, your two faces are showing. Just a few years ago, (say LAST presidential election), you were stating how Dumbya was a better president by NOT going to war than VietNam War Veteran Kerry. You were extolling the virtues of a man who had ONE TERM as governor of Texas and NO PRIOR political experience, not even in his COMMUNITY, as the savior for America.
Dusty, You were telling everyone, LOUD AND CLEAR, how Dumbya with absolutely ZERO credentials as a politician, a military commander or even a Businessman, (he’s ran to the ground EVERY company his papa set him up in); would be the best thing since sliced bread.
And now, with your other face you’re talking out the side of your neck with disdain about OBAMA’s credentials!! You repuglicans have balls of steel!! And minds of gnats!!
Oh wait, I thought I heard a sheep bleating…………
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Col. David Hackworth was a BETTER American than Jane Fonda. Being equal under the law has nothing to do with being better.
How convenient for you, Corporal-Dictator — everyone just needs to follow YOUR rules to know who is considered the “better” American? HA! You’re just full of shi-ite and hatred for about 70% of America — why don’t you just come out and post it?
By Curious Mind
September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
I thought this blog was setup for intellegent, mature, country caring adults. Some of the comments that I have read are beyond belief…So full of ignorance, hate and immaturity…GROW UP PEOPLE…and Listen to who really speaks the truth…and that person will be our next president….
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
From ABC News: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5804703&page=1
Apparently McCain and Palin DO have a lot in common…mostly their ignorance of the truth. From ABC News’ website… http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5804703&page=1
A snippet….
Fired Official: Governor Did Not Tell the Truth to ABC Walt Monegan Says He Was Called to Gov.’s Office Over a “Private Family Matter” By RHONDA SCHWARTZ and JUSTIN ROOD September 15, 2008
“She’s not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten,” said Walt Monegan, the Alaskan official whose dismissal by Sarah Palin is the focus of a state investigation known as “Troopergate”. “And she’s not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me.”
Read the rest………
When WILL the Republican lie machine STOP??
Now even PALIN is soiling on McCain!
By fearless fosdik
September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Corporal You cite David Hackworth, and what did David Hackworth have to say about John McCain…
“Is his “war hero” status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?”
http://www.hackworth.com/25jan00.html
Corporal you seem to point out in every post you make that you served in Vietnam, That was 40 years ago…Still got your sea bag packed for emergency deployment?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
corporal
Yes babbling….12:56.
That’s clear enough.
However you come out of it at 1:05
Service to this country by military men and women, while honorable, it still is not the be all and the end all.
Did Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, not help to give us freedom?
Did Susan B Anthony accomplish nothing?
Sojourner Truth?
Doctors without Borders?
Peace Corp?
Red Cross?
Again, your view is very limited.
And that limitation is very dangerous.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
To: Just_Me
You are correct in that Jesus was accepting of All. That is …… ALL who choose to come to Him.
(“narrow-minded - rigidly adhering to a particular sect or its doctrines”)
In the sense of the above definition, Jesus was “narrow minded” about how to receive eternal life.
If you are a universalist and disagree then take it up with the Editor below. I’m just the paperboy.
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
“Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.”
“There is none other name under heaven whereby we must be saved.”
P.S. If there are other ways to eternal life, then He did not have to come and die for us………..
Matt. 26:39 “Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
To fearless fosdik
Makes no difference what Col. Hackworth thought about McCain.
The point was someone who fights for their country (Hackworth) is a better person than someone who tries to tear it down (Fonda).
Is a citizen who obeys all of the laws of the land a better person than a career criminal ?
This is not brain surgery.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
The day for the Black Knight’s weekly address arrived and he had worked out exactly what he would say: three words this time, not one.
“Guns, God, and Gays”.
As the Black Knight departed the stage, the crowd was momentarily bewildered. Sure, the SnowWitch had said God and Guns first, but she had also stolen the Black Knight’s “change” mantra. Stealing campaign speeches was as expected as military coups in Flathead Land, where the Pointy Head’s sworn enemy lived.
It was the Gay thing that struck the crowd dumb.
Then, it occurred to the pointy heads that the Black Knight was referring to the miniature army the SnowWitch had animated from all the leftover souvenir dolls. This idle army had been in the same prison cell 4 the past 48 hours on tax charges. Most certainly, as the Black Knight suggested, they have all turned gay. Was there not only one cot in their cell and were they not all cellmates?
Debauchery like this could only be the work of the SnowWitch, and this was a total abomination the likes of which the Pointy Heads had never seen. It’s the SnowWitch’s fault. That army was hers. She done did it, and they were also sure that she was laughing about it.
There was no way anyone would vote for the SnowWitch, no, not after she had been linked so clearly to gays by the Clever Black Knight and his Triumverate of Nouns.
As the consequences of the Black Knight’s three word speech became obvious to the SnowWitch, she started to invoke deeper darker more violent recesses within herself. There were still younger, more innocent attributes in her physiology that almost made her a Pundit like the rest, but these were washed away now. She emerged from her self. She wouldn’t err again. She would become the Chief of the Pointy Heads in the Land of the Pundits and gain access to their Big White House.
By dirty harry
September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
By “The Corporal”
September 15, 2008 1:21 PM
Corporal I understand Pat Robertson over at the 700 club has a blog set up just for you!
By GOPs got to go
September 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
I have to completely agree with Taxpayer here. John McCain has put his own ambitions for the Presidency before his country. He has become a liar and will do anything his party wants to get to the oval office. His choice of a running mate sealed the deal for me. Creationism, guns for the whole family, pro-life thus anti choice are things the real John McCain was against. Where did that John go? I have not seen him in months.
And in this election it might as well be Palin running against Obama. McCain, having had the most deadly form of skin cancer, Melanoma, which tends to reoccur could very well die in office. I do believe that the GOP has picked Palin because she can be easily manipulated if she does wind up being President. Just like old Bushie was the dummy puppet for Cheney.
She is on a mission from GOD people. Why is that any different than Bin Laden thinking he is on a mission from Allah? Both are Extremist view points.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
Again, you choose to miss or ignore the main point.
All of the great people you listed (and we could add them all day) would never have been able to fulfill their dreams or mission in this great country without the soldier having accomplished his mission first. If the soldier doesn not step up to the plate then it does become the be all and end all.
“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killled or enslaved by the uncivilized who can” Author Unknown
It is the soldier (and I would add police officer) who has and continues to keep pure evil at bay to allow you the freedom you have today - even the freedom to be typing what you do on this blog (i.e., Chinese sensorship during the Olympics).
What you call a dangerous view is what mostly 18 and 19 year old boys throughout the history of this country have done to ensure your freedom.
By Mike
September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Just_Me -
Your statement is laughable and I could easily change a few nouns and it would be identical to similar self-delusions found on conservative blogs. Do you think any conservative partisans have any less doubt that Obama is lying and is a bad person? Please. Stop for a second and ask yourself how unlikely it is that everyone who is running against your chosen candidate is morally flawed. That outlook is absurdly childish and self-serving.
I am almost certainly going to vote for McCain, but that doesn’t mean that I have to demonize Obama. Guess what? all four of them are politicians and politicians flip flop and distort things. That’s what they all do all around the world. That’s the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be. It was true of Clinton and it was true of Bush. It is also true of Obama and Biden.
The truth is that there are genuine policy differences between the two, but our media doesn’t seem to ever want to discuss that. Instead we get hacks like Bookman who waste the important soapbox they have been given to search for arcane gotchas for their opponents, yet not even putting up the pretense of objective thought by pointing out that their “side” might be guilty of similar offenses.
Bookman yaps and yaps and yaps about corruption, particularly Republican corruption. Despite this, he has yet to at least acknowledge that Palin indisputably did kick out corrupt GOP officials and bring many up on charges. You don’t have to support a candidate to acknowledge that they are not evil and might even do something good on occasion. I’m not going to vote for Obama, but I still think he is a good man and a conscientious public servant.
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
“Corporal”- People such as yourself who fling the words of the Bible (man-written, not God written…) are pretty terrifying to me…for your rigidity and refusal to see beyond your own narrow ken.
Please understand..your Bible is not the book of God for ALL Americans. Additionally, your view/your Bible’s view to salvation is also NOT everyone’s belief.
Once you understand-and accept that-not merely tolerate it, the world-and you, will be much better off.
If that is your definition of Jesus/love/salvation, I want no part of it.
And yes, if you want to base all of your worldviews on your book, please, heed dirty harry’s sage advice.
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Why all this talk about equality and who’s better than whom. One sperm, one egg, we are all created equals as long as we don’t get into the discussion of twins, etc. It’s what comes afterward that makes us unequal. But, that doesn’t mean that we don’t still love all you Republicans out there just as though you were our own. And, to prove it, you Republicans need your mouths washed out with lye soap — that’s what we do with liars. Now, in the spirit of maintaining a minimal, waste-free government, we expect you Republicans to use the honor system. Don’t make us invade your privacy, tap your web cams, monitor your soap usage…do the right thing and clean up your act. Here’s a new slogan for you Republicans to practice, “No More Lies.”
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Oh and Coporal
Do you consider those who fight to correct the mistakes made by our nation, those who fight to bring the truth to light as tearing this country down?
Are you one of those “America is perfect in every way” types?
Are parents who show children the error of their ways just tearing down their kids or are they helping to make the child a better person?
By Midori
September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Debbie Do Right,
she’s an idiot, plain and simple.
she only stops by here to throw stink bombs, and then poof - she’s gone to stampede onto another blog spouting her nonsense and hypocrisy.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
To: dirty harry
Nice try. Wont’ work. I’ve just started.
Feel free to join in …………
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
With all of the ugly smears coming from John McBush’s TV ads, McBush has proven that he is a desperate man and that he would “rather lose his integrity than lose an election.”
BWAAAAAAAAA!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
NO CORPORAL I DID NOT MISS YOUR POINT
You have yet to make one!
What I call dangerous is grown men and women, like yourself, who wear blinders to the bigger world around them.
Again, being a foot soldier, does not give you any clearer picture of America’s national security.
By jasper
September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Oops There it is!
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
You continue to ignore my point. If it weren’t for the physical fighting and sacrifice of generations of soldiers, you would not have the freedom in this great country of ours to promote any of the educational, legal, parental, spiritual or community service efforts you are so free to do.
It’s like the car (no matter how well built or pretty) won’t go anywhere without the wheels. I can’t make it any more simple than that.
To: Just_Me
I say again ……. you are free to take all of this up with THE Editor. I’m just the paper boy. But be wise in your final decision ……… as eternity is involved.
I wish you well ………..
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
NO CORPORAL, YOU MISS MINE
A foot soldier does not by fact of enlistment or draft have a more informed world view.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
To: Mrs. Godzilla
Of course it does?
Why? Because, we can argue politics, strategic issues, tactical approaches all day but unless you have carried men from the field of battle you do not know the true cost of warfare.
That’s why “all things equal” a soldier (person of military experience) is best able to make national security decisions.
My opinion. Soldiers fight to give you the right to yours.
By Midori
September 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
jasper,
the ny post is the written equivalent of fox news.
Just FYI……
By Swami Dave
September 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Goldie:
It was not me that tried to make the bogus comparison between Senator Obama and Jesus Christ. That was you - parroting the most recent Obama campaign talking points - which were specifically created to build some gravitas into his former role (“community organizer”) by association to the work of Jesus Christ.
I simply made reference to a historical event (Lloyd Bensten in his now-famous quip to Dan Quayle who was similarily attempting to prop himself by comparision to some else & their legacy (namely: John F Kennedy).
I am not “deflating the work of community organizers”; I am saying that it is an joke for political spinmeisters to try and equate the work that Jesus Christ did by comparing it to a “community organizer”.
From my study of his work, I think that most of his time was spent actually feeding hungry people, healing sick people, and pointing people toward a better way of life rather than trying to confiscate the earnings of others to fund his programs and organizing people into interest groups to demand unearned benefits. Maybe I missed the parable of the “Illegally Registered Voter” from the 1st century equivalent of ACORN.
….and I don’t know how many friends he had in his day that were “swamis”, but I do know that he has at least 1 today. Thanks for asking.
-Swami Dave (Truth, History, and Common Sense Refute Liberalism.)
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
CORPORAL
This statement is a perfect example of your limited view.
“Because, we can argue politics, strategic issues, tactical approaches all day but unless you have carried men from the field of battle you do not know the true cost of warfare”
The wives, mothers and children left behind have no idea of the cost of war?
Nope, that won’t fly.
Soldiers are NOT the only individuals who fight for the rights of Americans. The experience of carrying the arms and then using them does not instill a instant ability to make or understand security policy.
That’s the fact jack!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
CORPORAL
This statement is a perfect example of your limited view.
“Because, we can argue politics, strategic issues, tactical approaches all day but unless you have carried men from the field of battle you do not know the true cost of warfare”
The wives, mothers and children left behind have no idea of the cost of war?
Nope, that won’t fly.
Soldiers are NOT the only individuals who fight for the rights of Americans. The experience of carrying the arms and then using them does not instill a instant ability to make or understand security policy.
That’s the fact jack!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
CORPORAL
This statement is a perfect example of your limited view.
“Because, we can argue politics, strategic issues, tactical approaches all day but unless you have carried men from the field of battle you do not know the true cost of warfare”
The wives, mothers and children left behind have no idea of the cost of war?
Nope, that won’t fly.
Soldiers are NOT the only individuals who fight for the rights of Americans. The experience of carrying the arms and then using them does not instill a instant ability to make or understand security policy.
That’s the fact jack!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Sorry about the multiple posts….
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Catfight! hey everybody! The Officer Fragger and Mothra are having a catfight!
rowrr!
CATFIGHT ROWRR
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
The day for the Black Knight’s weekly address arrived and he had worked out exactly what he would say: three words this time, not one.
“Guns, God, and Gays”.
As the Black Knight departed the stage, the crowd was momentarily bewildered. Sure, the SnowWitch had said God and Guns first, but she had also stolen the Black Knight’s “change” mantra. Stealing campaign speeches was as expected as military coups in Flathead Land, where the Pointy Head’s sworn enemy lived.
It was the Gay thing that struck the crowd dumb.
Then, it occurred to the pointy heads that the Black Knight was referring to the miniature army the SnowWitch had animated from all the leftover souvenir dolls. This idle army had been in the same prison cell 4 the past 48 hours on tax charges. Most certainly, as the Black Knight suggested, they have all turned gay. Was there not only one cot in their cell and were they not all cellmates?
Debauchery like this could only be the work of the SnowWitch, and this was a total abomination the likes of which the Pointy Heads had never seen. It’s the SnowWitch’s fault. That army was hers. She done did it, and they were also sure that she was laughing about it.
There was no way anyone would vote for the SnowWitch, no, not after she had been linked so clearly to gays by the Clever Black Knight and his Triumverate of Nouns.
As the consequences of the Black Knight’s three word speech became obvious to the SnowWitch, she started to invoke deeper darker more violent recesses within herself. There were still younger, more innocent attributes in her physiology that almost made her a Pundit like the rest, but these were washed away now. She emerged from her self. She wouldn’t err again. She would become the Chief of the Pointy Heads in the Land of the Pundits and gain access to their Big White House.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Um, I think I’m having a premonition about thee next Kookman column, yes, it’s becoming clearer, uh, now I got it- Palin tells lie about being a hockey mom!
Coming to a rag near you.
By "The Corporal"
September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
* To: Mrs. Godzilla*
1) Mothers, children, wives do know the cost of war in that sense but not WAR ITSELF and neither do you. You had to have been there.
2) Take two “statesmen” of equal age, experience, education, ability, etc., etc., etc. Everything about them is equal. However, one is combat experienced and the other is not (even if both were in the military). Who is the best to make decisions on war? The one who has been there.
2) It’s kind of like two “totally equal” substitute quarterbacks but only one has played in a real game. Who does the coach put in?
3) If you can’t comprehend this basic advantage (all things equal) of combat experience then it’s like my dad always said, “He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
Enjoyed the debate.
Got to mow the lawn.
See you next time ……………….
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
I google-earthed Russia and Alaska and started looking at shortest distances between land masses and from Wasilla to Russia, etc., and I think Palin is lying about being able to see Russia from wherever she says she was.
By ghost rider
September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
MRS GODZILLA…
The corporal is living in the past! He probably spends his afternoons watching re-runs of platoon!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
CORPORAL
Again, being a foot soldier does not make any one man or women automatically more qualified to make national security issues.
Heck, the American people have a President now with no combat experience… when they did have the opportunity to elect a man with multiple purple hearts.
We really do respect your service…. but it does not make you better or wiser.
By RW-(the original)
September 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
The new ad from The Dunce called deception
In it they cite somebody named Benen from CBS news.
The quotes in the ad, which cites the news outlet in big letters and the columnist’s name in small ones, are largely from opinion writers — though McCain has taken hits in news columns as well. One that caught my eye is citing the blogger Steve Benen under the heading of “CBSNews,” which sometimes picks up his writing on Washington Monthly’s blog.
Yes, deception indeed.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
RW. Thanx for that last comment. Redundancy is it’s own reward. What goes around comes around, eh? Gee, I didn’t know that campaign slogans have to pass the smell test. If only one of your comments would pass the gas bubble test. Then you might actually say something original instead of the hacked Limbaugh mockery of the poor little Downs Syndrome Palin child. I mean, Rush is getting bigtime laughs, as R U RW, by mimicking the shakes and head bobs and wearing the helmet, okay, funny, yes, but like, it’s been a couple of weeks, cant you give it a rest? Limbaugh doesn’t think he’s milked it enough cause today he’s like rolling with it. You know. like he done to Michael J Fox and his disease symptoms.
So, if I were you, not only would I stick my head in the toilet everyday for hours, but I’d try to use my noodle to gain insights into current events so I could think for myself and be proud of my contributions.
all I’m sayin’
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
If Palin cannot prove, preferably with live-cams from her house, that she can actually see Russia, then I think her foreign affairs credibility is just down the toilet. I mean, what’s a person supposed to believe if you cannot believe a politician during an election cycle. By the way, does anyone have the address or GPS coordinates for Palin’s house. I want to get a better idea of her lifestyle, first-hand. Where would we be without technology and computers and satellites and GPS. This stuff is great.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer….for you
By Midori
September 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
she may not be able to see Russia, but she can see her brand new tanning bed.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, it’s worse if she could see Russia and then add that to her foreign policy resume, you clod.
The idea is not whether she can see from a high point on the island using a telescope some icebergs that belong to Russian Polar bears, you moron.
The idea is that she thinks she can tell the fat old ladies in Peoria that she’s got what it takes to be Commander in Chief because she can just barely see those icebergs.
I mean, at least make the nonsense palatable, goofy.
clodmoe. ninny. jackwipe.
Did you know that McCain set fire to an entire aircraft carrier during ‘Nam? It was the biggest catastrophe our navy suffered during the Vietnam War.
The disaster was so large, that the Vietnamese to this day celebrate a holiday called McCain day, where they set fire to little plastic models of the Forrestal Carrier and then get drunk.
“Yankee set fire to his own ship rike a letard would. bwa haw. dont bogart that rice wine, my friend.”
Imagine if this McCain idiot gets his finger on the button? We’d all be as doomed as the poor sods on the Forrestal were.
McCain is just too much a loose cannon for anyone to seriously consider him as our commander in chief.
Fact, jack.
By GOPs got to go
September 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
Why don’t you just google Wasilla. It can’t be that big. Just look for the one with the most target ranges or maybe God’s heavenly aura will illuminate it.
By Midori
September 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Liar-loan,
I’m about to wet my pants from laughing so much at that 2:49.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
John McWetStart!
By Southern ATL
September 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
I AM A VETERAN AND I HAVE OFTEN WANDERED HOW MCCAIN FELT ABOUT VETERANS.HE IS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT BEING A POW.HOW CAN HE DO THIS TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED HONORABLY?I AM SO DISAPPOINTED AND FEEL LIKE MY SERVICE TO MY COUNTRY DOES NOT ENTITLE ME TO THE BENEFITS THAT I WAS HOPING THAT I WOULD RECEIVE. Military Dot Com on McCain’s Shortfunding of America’s Veterans:
Vets to McCain: Back New GI BIll April 10, 2008 Inter Press Service
SAN FRANCISCO - A leading political action committee founded by veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has launched a new internet video and petition demanding that Sen. John McCain throw his support behind a new GI Bill.
The video — a joint project of Brave New Films, VoteVets.org and WesPAC, a group formed by former Supreme Allied Commander in Europe General Wesley Clark — is aimed at persuading the Republican nominee for president to agree to provide improved education benefits for soldiers returning home from the two wars.
The video features four veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, testifying about the problems they have with the current GI Bill.
“When I enlisted, I was under the impression that my college would be paid for, that I would have everything taken care of,” Iraq war veteran Joshua Drake said in the video.
Take Action: Tell your public officials how you feel about the New GI Bill.
“The current GI Bill is inadequate,” the former Navy Corpsman added. “It hasn’t kept up with the cost of inflation, or the cost of tuition or the cost of books. … If I could talk to John McCain, I would try to appeal to him as a fellow veteran.”
Originally enacted in the waning days of World War II, the GI Bill of Rights is one of the most popular social programs in U.S. history. When President Franklin Roosevelt signed the GI Bill into law in 1944, he saw it as part of his New Deal package of social programs. The law, officially called the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, promised returning veterans that the government would pay the full cost of tuition and books at any public or private college or job-training program. It also provided unemployment insurance and loans to buy homes and start businesses.
But over the years, the GI Bill has lost most of its value.
The current Montgomery GI Bill, passed in 1984, asks active duty members to accept a pay reduction of $100 per month through 12 months of military service. When they return to school, they receive $1,100 monthly for a maximum of three years of education benefits. It is an amount that doesn’t come close to covering the cost of a modern college education, veterans say.
Advocates are supporting a bipartisan bill by Sens. Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel that would bring back WWII-era standards of providing vets with full tuition, room and board. So far 51 senators have signed on as co-sponsors. But the bill remains nine votes short of the supermajority necessary to dissuade a filibuster.
John McCain has refused to comment on the bill. Numerous calls and e-mails to McCain’s Senate office in Washington and campaign office in Virginia seeking comment on this story went unreturned.
“It’s time for Senator McCain to stand up for veterans and be a leader,” the chairman of VoteVets, Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz, said in a statement. “The success or failure of this bill largely rests on his shoulders. He is the de facto leader of the Republican Party. If he signs onto the bill, it will pass and become law. If he doesn’t support it, he needs to explain why he doesn’t.”
McCain’s silence on the GI Bill may surprise some observers, given the senator’s six years behind bars as a former prisoner of war in North Vietnam. On the campaign trail, McCain speaks almost daily about “supporting the troops.”
But organizations that have followed the senator’s voting record have noted that McCain’s actions are rarely in line with the interests of veterans’ organizations. In 2006, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator McCain a failing grade of “D” based on his voting record.
The same year, McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans just 20 percent of the time. The main reason for the low scores is a consistent pattern by Senator McCain of voting against appropriating money for veterans’ health care and disability payments.
According to Disabled American Veterans, McCain voted almost a dozen separate times against spending additional money on veterans’ health care in 2005 and 2006, even as hundreds of thousands of soldiers and Marines were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and filing disability claims with the Department of Veterans Affairs.
During that time, McCain voted against expanding mental health care and readjustment counseling for returning service members, efforts to expand inpatient and outpatient treatment for injured veterans, and proposals to lower co-payments and enrollment fees veterans must pay to obtain prescription drugs.
“There was an effort to increase the budget for veterans’ health care beyond what President [George W.] Bush had requested as part of his budget,” Disabled American Veterans spokesperson Dave Autry said. “The idea was to increase funding for veterans’ health care by cutting back on tax breaks for the wealthy. The proposals were pushed by Democrats and opposed by Republicans in almost straight party-line votes.”
McCain’s vote also helped defeat a proposal by Democratic Senator Debbie Stabenow that would have made veterans’ health care an entitlement program like social security, so that medical care would not become a political football to be argued over in Congress each budget cycle.
“The budget and appropriations process for veterans has been late the majority of the time the last 20 years and the funding proposed by the president is almost always insufficient,” Autry said. “As a result, the VA could not plan for the number of returning veterans and staff the medical centers based on the likely demand. So we tried to make the funding sufficient, timely and predictable. If the Stabenow bill had passed, it would have been a big step in that direction.”
Like the other funding bills, the Stabenow bill failed on a virtual party-line vote with John McCain voting against the veterans. According to Autry, virtually every single initiative to support veterans was defeated in Congress until the Democrats took control of both houses in January 2007.
McCain’s Democratic rivals for president, Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, both support the bipartisan effort to improve the GI Bill. In 2006, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Obama a B+ and Clinton an A-. Obama and Clinton both voted with the interest of Disabled American Veterans 80 percent of the time.
By dirty harry
September 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
IS John McCain just plain stupid or a liar!
Today, he comes out with this “The fundamentals of our economy our STRONG!”
This — when 148-years-in-business investment firm Lehman Brothers has gone bankrupt, and it’s the biggest bankruptcy in history.
This — when investment firm Merrill Lynch, tetering on disaster, had to be rescued from a similar fate by Bank of America. Merrill Lynch had net losses of more than $17 Billion [that’s a B, not a typo] this year.
But, I forgot McCain is of the STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS! Would he LIE?
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
I’ll tell you all what I dont get: I dont get Y Mr. Woo, of China, and Jay Hoofgnu have photo icon/logos of themselves yucking it up at the top of their daily blog. They’re laughing at us. They dont believe any of this stuff, and they admit that they conspire to do “yes she did, no she didn’t” type pro/con topics simultaneously. And look at Wooten’s hair! Not to mention Jay Nookwood’s hair?
What style do you call Jay Tookwoman’s hair, a SchmoeHawk?
What is wrong with these two clowns? They’re laughing at us. And all the dented heads on this blog can do is conform to the “oh no she dint/I know she did format as prompted by those two rug-challenged grin-masters.
Where did they get their degrees? The Carpet Campus of Dalton?
bwa haw
phonies.
By Pat Nap Marietta. Ga.
September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
While McCain beats his breast regarding his mil. service and his POW years, I ask one question: What has he done for the soldiers coming back from Iraq with all kinds of head injuries? The hospital situation is deplorable and treatment is hard to come by for head traumas. Has he taken a stand and fought for better treatment….NO. Sometimes it’s not what you say….but what you do and he has not supported more money for their treatment. As a former soldier he should be shouting for more assistance and care and not wait for an election. His concern is for McCain only. He says he will name names for earmarks….he should name the seven on his campaign first.
By DebbieDoRight
September 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
HI Midori!! How ya been?
Quick note to the Corporal: If military experience was such a big preference for the job of President, how did Clinton or GWB get the job?
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Hey, I’ve been to Peoria — thank you very much — and those ladies were not fat although they could be fat and old by now. They’re children of the corn, in fact. The runway used to be completely surrounded by corn fields and all the ladies would come out of the fields to greet every arriving plane in hopes that their true love, the one that left them bare-foot and with bun in the oven, had finally come home after being called off to duty in DC. They claimed to be going off to change Washington, to fight the good ole boys, to rid the world of bacon fat but it was all just a tap dance. Of course, that’s been a few years. They might be planting soy beans now — it makes it easier to see the arriving planes.
Thanks for the lookup, Mrs. G. I wonder how big that PO Box is to hold that big family of hers. By the way, I noticed that her age is listed at 43 yet I heard she is really 44. Lies, lies, lies. What’s the Republican party coming to.
Midori, The tanning bed explains a lot. A whole lot. Vain people and their little obsessions. I just cannot wait for her to try and brush back a misplaced hair on McCain’s head and comment on his thinning. More than a Kodak moment, indeed.
By marko
September 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
John disagrees with himself alot these days. IF we get stuck with this guy for the next four years, I can only hope the old John McCain is hiding in there somewhere. If not we’re the only people on earth stupid enough to give Doubya a third term.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
What a champion:
Last Friday, Sen. Joseph Biden, the Democratic candidate for vice president, released his tax returns for the years 1998 to 2007. The returns revealed that in one year, 1999, Biden and his wife Jill gave $120 to charity out of an adjusted gross income of $210,979. In 2005, out of an adjusted gross income of $321,379, the Bidens gave $380. In nine out of the ten years for which tax returns were released, the Bidens gave less than $400 to charity; in the tenth year, 2007, when Biden was running for president, they gave $995 out of an adjusted gross income of $319,853.
He gave your tax money at the office.
bwa
By fearless fosdik
September 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
“She’s not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten,” said Walt Monegan.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5804703&page=1
WHY DOES THIS NOT SUPRISE ME!
By Pat Nap Marietta. Ga.
September 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Mc Cain…what have you done for the soldiers lately? Have you gone to battle for better health care? NO! Why do the brave soldiers have to wait for you to win an election? Also, while you are naming names for those wanting kick-backs, you should name the seven on your committee so we will know what organizations we will have to look out for. Now that you have talked the talk…let’s see you walk the walk.
By SaveOurRepublic
September 15, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
dirty harry @ 13:27 - Speaking as a (paleoconservative, not a Neocon/Bushbot) Baptist, Pat Robertson lost the last bit of creditability with me when he endorsed 9/11 profiteer Rudy “Ghouliani” for President. “Ghouliani” is at best a hardcore RINO, and at worst an amoral Machiavellian/Neocon/Globalist (who was likely in cahoots with the 9/11 false-flag). Although I agree with/appreciate alot of James Dobson’s FOTF ministry, he too will loose creditability if he supports Neocon/RINO/Globalist puppet “Juan McAmnasty” (instead of Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr).
By Dusty
September 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
OK..not much time…
Liar Lone McCain ..pretty good handle PoFo…that story about Viet Name Holiday was worth a grin.. Midori wet her pants but that’s nothing new.
About time for Bookman to go to the next item on HIS list.Hmmm… let’s see…howabout.. McCain is the twin brother of Bush or some other authenticated subject. Orrrr: Palin the ProfitMonger Sinks Lehman Brothers!!!
I’ll drop by later for another astonishing development from Bookman’s bogus “Believe it or Not ByGolly”!!
By Bud Wiser
September 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
Food for thought, sent to me by a friend that lives in one of the cities mentioned:
What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;
Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th)… since 1949;
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;
Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;
Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.
Albert Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’
It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats, yet are still disadvantaged.
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid…and, in these cases, insane
By Jake
September 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
Puhlease, are petty little policy points all you have? The absolute worst thing I’ve heard from either side this entire campaign was Obama’s feeble and desperate attempt to compare his leadership of his campaign to Palin’s leadership of Wasila on the basis that his campaign has a bigger budget! He can’t even try to compare to McCain or Palin’s gubernatorial leadership, and his story is a lie anyway. Doesn’t he pay some of that money to campaign managers? The man is a totally unqualified empty suit. Personally, I’d rather vote for the jackass itself than the jackass party’s candidate!
By DAN
September 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
MCCAIN IS THE BIGGEST LIAR IN THE WORLD. I AM SCARED TO DEATH IF HE WINS. WITH A HAPPY TRIGGER VICE PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT, WORLD WAR III IS COMING AND WE ALL WILL DIE. NO MCCAIN, NO PALIN, AND I STILL WANT TO LIVE ANOTHER 50 YEARS.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
A recurring television image in the past few days has been the split-screen contrast between a serenely smiling Republican operative and a fulminating red-faced Democrat about to have a stroke.
bwa
By dirty harry
September 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
By SaveOurRepublic
September 15, 2008 3:17 PM
Couldn’t agree with you MORE!
Good points..good post!
By Midori
September 15, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Dusty -
the difference between me and you is when I wet my pants, I clean it up.
We could smell you 20 miles away.
And that’s nothing new.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 15, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry, FelixFosideedee, but this issue is too hard to explain to voters. It’s a non-event and wont matter in the polls even if this Wolf Huntress fired these troopers after they gave her a DUI and a speeding ticket. Doesn’t matter, it’s too hard to explain to the dented heads who vote, and their eyes glaze over.
no, an issue is only effective if it paints a picture with one or two words, or, and acronym, like BJ, (clinton), or a last name, like Lewinski.
The word lewinski is now a verb, a noun, a modifier, a marital aid, a rinse, and a third person singular past perfect gerund conjugation which is also been added to the recently departed George Carlins “words you cant say nowhere, nohow, to nobody” list.
fact.
By Bud Wiser
September 15, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
“By Midori September 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this Liar-loan, I’m about to wet my pants from laughing so much at that 2:49.”
Must be time to change your Depends then. Are you sure you’re not laughing so hard at the utter futility of your abysmal candidate? He claims proudly to be leading far and away in the ‘smear campaigning’, and seems so proud of himself for doing that. Idiots.
“”If we’re going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily,” Obama said.
He knows not what he says
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easier to be stupid
By Liar-loan McCain,
September 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Sorry about that BS about McCain blowing up the Forrstal, that’s what you get for listening to an adolescent and thinking they know what they are talking about. The truth is I am desperate in my attempts to criticize McCain because I fear he is going to beat Obama badly in Nov. so I’m going to besmirch a decorated war veteran if that what it takes. Sorry I’m desperate.
By Bud Wiser
September 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
I believe that Jay needs to transpose names to Obama Is Smearing Himself here, or maybe Obama Messing On Himself, or something more appropriate.
Maybe Midori can recommed him to Depends as a sponsor. Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid
By RealityKing
September 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
It’s like watching a bad re-run of Gilligan’s island .
On the left, millionaire Gilligan and his millionaire Skipper.
In the middle, the millionaire nutty professor.
And on the right, the Millionaire and Mary Ann(not yet a millionaire).
Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, A tale of a fateful trip…
By jasper
September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Biden and Obama went there seperate ways today in an effort to divide and conquer on the campaign trail. Biden’s plane was reported to have an empty press section. At least the plane will be more fuel efficient.
So if we’re judging these candidates by how well they did on their first most important decision of choosing a running mate, how does Packed House Palin vs. Buzz-kill Biden sound.
Obama/Biden 08 - Circling the Drain!
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 15, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
“But now suddenly, John McCain says he is about change, too. He even started using some of my lines. Suddenly he says he wants ‘to turn the page.’ He had an ad today that he started running that he and Gov. Palin would bring the change that we need. He had this in an advertisement. Sound familiar? Let me tell you something, instead of borrowing my lines he needs to borrow our ideas,” Obama said.
He followed up with [a] dig on lobbyists, saying “if you think those lobbyists are working day and night for John McCain just to put themselves out of business, well then I’ve got a bridge to sell you up in Alaska.”
2008 snaps ups!
By Rita
September 15, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
I truly don’t understand the fascination with Sarah Palin. She’s a NOBODY, people; and McCain would put her a heartbeat away from the presidency. This should speak volumes about his judgment on important issues.
Even the media is fawning over this lame woman from Alaska in order to push her down our throats.
Did you read where Lieberman is teaching her about foreign affaris??? Maybe McCain should also sit in on those teaching sessions. Next we’ll see Lieberman whispering in BOTH of their ears!
Be afraid, people, be very afraid. Do you want Sarah Palin negotiating with Iran? I think not.
This duo will go down in history as one of the dumbest choices the GOP has made in a very long time.
However, did you REALLY look out into the audience at the GOP convention? Or could you not get a good look because of the glare of WHITE people??? (I’m white, by the way). The GOP is stuck in the 1950s.
They don’t have anyone exciting to put out there…..that’s why they think Sarah Palin is soooo exciting. New, yes, exciting, no. Scary? Definitely.
Obama/Biden ‘08
By Midori
September 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Bud,
resorted to stalking, have you?
more widdle baby just needs someone, anyone to acknowledge him.
it’s as if you’re shouting: “I’m over here!!! I’m over here!!”
just stay over there, Bud.
I don’t want your cooties.
find someone else to “flatter”.
By SaveOurRepublic
September 15, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Pat Nap Marietta. Ga. - What “Juan McAmnasty” has done lately in bowed to his Zionist pals at AIPAC, pushed for amnasty for illegals (with his pal Kennedy), opposed utilizing our own oil resources (thereby staying dependent on foreign oil/OPEC), supports the farce of “free” trade via NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, WTO (ie - outsourcing of U.S. manufacturing base & American jobs), given a nod to the fraud of global warming & continued to serve his Globalist Elite Ma$ters.
…and NO (Neocons out there), I’m not a “pinko lefty” & would never support “McAmnasty’s” coin-flipside that is “Bacrock Obummer” (fellow Globalist shill).
By Truth
September 15, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
Rita…. What does the color of ones skin have to do with being republican?
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
I’ll never view Gilligan’s Island the same, ever. Why, why did you do that. Why?
By MikeB
September 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Jay Got to say it is really funny watching you go into overdrive to dive deeper and deeper into the gutter, because you are so afraid of the McCain - Palin ticket.
Now you know how responsible conservatives feel about Obama - Biden.
At least we don’t go disrupting conventions, slurrring hateful inuendo, sending teams of lawyers to dredge someones background in the hopes of finding something that will stick when thrown against a wall (the only way Obama has gotten elected previously), and begging news outlets to step up negative coverage of an opponent.
Sorry Jay the tactics you use really suck. Id know where you learned them though. The Democratic Party.
By Swami Dave
September 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Rita:
Said it before, will say it again…..
Governor Palin is the Vice Presidential nominee. She will only be President under extreme circumstances that might happen.
Senator Obama is the Presidential nominee. He *will be President if elected.
As of today, she has more executive experience than either of the three others. She was responsible for an executive transfer of power when she took office. She was the 1-of-1 signature required for legislation in her state as opposed to the other three who were 1-of-100 voting [when they didn’t vote “present”].
With every bit of attention that Democrats play toward Governor Palin, they continue to highlight the fact that their candidate (a junior Senator who has not even completed one term) is not experienced enough for the job. The McCain campaign sits there laughing shouting “throw us in that briar patch of discussing experience.
In the end, Rita, the fault is the Democrat’s own. They nominated a candidate that doesn’t have enough to finish. You fell victim to the excitement of him beating his nearest rival who started her national campaign with near 40% negative ratings. Unfortunately, he can’t get McCain disqualified by administrative fiat like he did to Anne Palmer in Chicago.
Obama has never won a race in which he had to actually compete against a credible candidate. As this campaign is playing out, odds are - that streak continues!
-Swami Dave
By Frederick Douglass
September 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
McCain/Palin = deep doo doo. Here we have a couple of people who’re not the sharpest knives in the drawer, and we’re facing the most dire financial crisis since the depression, not to mention a horrible mess that’s left on the table by their mentor Bush. Hide your first born sons, and your money, they’re coming after both. Did I hear correctly that Palin speaks in tongues?
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
What do all these states have in common… Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi? They all have Republican governors and are rank at or near the bottom in education.
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures!
By dirty harry
September 15, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
When will MCCAIN release his medical records?
He is applying for the single most important job in the United States, and has yet to release these records!
What are you hiding McCain?
By Goldie
September 15, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Who is the best to make decisions on war? The one who has been there.
Corporal-Dictator @ 2:17 — apparently your guy John McBush would be an exception to your “rule”. Where was his good judgment in cheerleading for W’s invasion of Iraq back in 2002? He said not only was Saddam Hussein behind the 9/11 attacks on America, but he also said that the invasion and occupation of Iraq would be “fairly easy.”
War-mongering and blustery rhetoric does not a POTUS make.
John McBush — been there, did that 40 years ago, and he still doesn’t know the difference between fighting those who attacked America and those who did not.
By getalife "exaggerators"
September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Andy,
You are not buying enough.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Yeah GMAN… and I am sure Clayton County Schools are run my a bunch of Republicans too, right? Look at the republican run counties in Georgia and I bet their test scores are well above the average!
By Taxpayer
September 15, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
How can you people even entertain the thought of electing McCain. Have you no feelings for anyone other than yourselves. Don’t you realize that this old man’s heart would probably give out on him just from the shock of winning the election. We owe this veteran more than that. For John’s sake, we simply cannot elect him.
By Frederick Douglass
September 15, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Truth your logic is impeccable, you make a convincing case for Obama over McCain/ Palin, Obama’s smarter.
By fearless fosdik
September 15, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 3:59 PM
You left out ALASKA…Where do they rank 46th!
Nice job Sarah!
By dirty harry
September 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
“McCain has gone one step too far, attributing to Obama things that are beyond the 100% truth test.”
KARL ROVE
It always confuses me when a Republican tells the truth…
By Truth
September 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Yeah, he knows more about the Koran and the peaceful religon of Islam….
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
By Truth, since you brought up the “Republican Run” counties in Georgia, please tell me all of them and give me their test scores to prove your point! Otherwise, go back to the barn and put a little more lipstick on that pig…
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures.
By jasper
September 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
And given Obama’s chain smoking past. Ole Charitable Joe is just one malignant tumor from the presidency.
Jay - please kill this thread. You got your 100 minimum posts, and can keep your job.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Frederick…. I said I bet that those counties had higher test scores…. Not that I knew. So why dont you go wait in line for your government hand out that is coming out of my paycheck.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
Sorry…. I should have wrote that to GMAN
By DebbieDoRight
September 15, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
You know I’m really amazed by the new rhetoric I’ve been hearing from the Repugs camp. Their new tag line is “independence from Foreign Oil!!”. Does anyone else find that hilarious? Why, Mr. George W. Bush, as well as Bush Sr., and Mr. Richard (Dick) Cheney have made millions these past 8 years off of foreign oil. Now they want us to become “independent” from it?
Things that make you go hmmmm…….
By Exact
September 15, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
quote from McCain.
“My friends, we have found out in recent days that this is a more dangerous world than we had thought,” McCain said in Lee’s Summit, Mo. “This is not a time to slow our development of future combat systems. This is not that time.”
Russia invaded Georgia in early August. China is building up its military. Threats evolve. Opinions change.
For more than 25 years as lawmaker, The Maverick McCain hasn’t been shy about taking on the Pentagon, its contractors and their patrons in Congress to squeeze out corruption and demand more favorable terms for the government. Defense contractors are more worried about a McCain presidency than an Obama presidency.
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
Sir Truth, so you are ignorant of the facts and making a statement based upon “feelings”. Sounds like Bush/McCain logic to me.
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s futures!
By DebbieDoRight
September 15, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
At least we don’t go disrupting conventions, slurrring hateful inuendo, sending teams of lawyers to dredge someones background in the hopes of finding something that will stick when thrown against a wall
Wow you really need a Repuglican party history lesson!!! Two words.
Karl Rove.
By DebbieDoRight
September 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Repug History 101:
Three words:
Justice Department Firings.
Two more words:
Southern Strategy.
One Word:
Watergate.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
I am just as ignorant as you GMAN, but my logic has a basis of what I have seen…. and from what I have seen, my theory holds a whole lot of weight… hence the Clayton County Schools reference. Be sure you spend that government handout on some lottery tickets…. you just might win!
By Frederick Douglass
September 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Truth it has been 143 years since slavery ended, no head of a household in my family has ever been on the dole. All of my fore- fathers have been married to the women in their lives, my family is chock full of college graduates, military people, and productive citizens. However; I’m not special, there are legions of black families just like mine, but bigots like you don’t want to believe that they exist, thankfully you don’t count. My life hasn’t been the life of the down trodden that you describe, but I realize that with a few missed pay checks that could be me, and that’s what makes me different from a rank and file right winger.
By Truth
September 15, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Well Frederick… congratulations. But before you pull the race card, when did I ever say anything about race? Actually, I know and am friends with many families such as yours. Some of the greayest people that I know happen to have darker skin than I do. I in no way see them as any less of a person than I am. Heck, I dont even see myself as supreme. All people are created equal… it is the decisions that they make throughout their lives that make the person who they are. Personally, I am still dealing with some of the choices that I have made in my life, but I deal with them. Quit that bigot race card stuff…. it is all too old.
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
GOOOOD GRIEF… the lies DON’T end! St. Sarah on the stump today in Colorado… yep….Despite leading economists saying Obama’s tax plan WON’T raise taxes on middle class, she’s spewing that crap; Once again, she’s back to saying that she said, “thanks but no thanks,” another lie;
AND….the distortion about Alaska providing 20% of the nation’s supply of oil/gas. (also disproven).
Additionally, there are all kinds of questions about her taxes…..and whether income was properly reported, and also whether she was entitled to the breaks she took.
Let’s NOT forget she’s under investigation (and currently claiming her husband’s emails to state workers are ‘private.’)…gimme a break!
Yep, squeaky clean St. Sarah…..
Is this REALLY the best Republican female McShame could have found??????????????
Olympia Snow-that’s a smart, educated (not just formally, but yanno, she CAN see Canada from parts of Maine, remember!), intelligent woman…..
Despite what the repungnuts think, we’re not ‘scared.’ We’re, in turns, dismayed, disgusted, and amazed.
Scared? of her??? lolol.
Where’s PT Barnum when we need him?
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
Ah Sir Truth, your ignorance beams across the web and I’m sure your snagged-tooth mother and father are very proud of you. You make bets on things you don’t know. Sounds like Bush/McCain to me. Go back to your bedroom and put a litle more lipstick on that pig!
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s future!
By Just_Me
September 15, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
GOOOOD GRIEF… the lies DON’T end! St. Sarah on the stump today in Colorado… yep….Despite leading economists saying Obama’s tax plan WON’T raise taxes on middle class, she’s spewing that crap; Once again, she’s back to saying that she said, “thanks but no thanks,” another lie;
AND….the distortion about Alaska providing 20% of the nation’s supply of oil/gas. (also disproven).
Additionally, there are all kinds of questions about her taxes…..and whether income was properly reported, and also whether she was entitled to the breaks she took.
Let’s NOT forget she’s under investigation (and currently claiming her husband’s emails to state workers are ‘private.’)…gimme a break!
Yep, squeaky clean St. Sarah…..
Is this REALLY the best Republican female McShame could have found??????????????
Olympia Snow-that’s a smart, educated (not just formally, but yanno, she CAN see Canada from parts of Maine, remember!), intelligent woman…..
Despite what the repungnuts think, we’re not ‘scared.’ We’re, in turns, dismayed, disgusted, and amazed.
Scared? of her??? lolol.
Where’s PT Barnum when we need him?
(my apologies in advance if this posts twice…server issues!)
By Truth
September 15, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this
GMAN…. so did you really just make fun of my parents? Nice!
By GMAN
September 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
Sir Truth, you, your parents, and your significant other!
Bush/McCain - Gambling with your children’s future!
By Truth
September 15, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
GMAN… Your true colors shine through… and let it be known that all my family has dental insurance… that we pay for ourselves.
By Frederick Douglass
September 15, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Truth, the Jews will never forget the Holocaust, we’ll never forget 245 yrs. of slavery, and 100 plus yrs. of Jim Crow. I wonder how advanced we’d be if all of those generations hadn’t been forcibly held back? Sure there would still be thugs, and people that won’t pursue higher education, and yes baby mamas, but aren’t those types in your race too? We’re too sick and tired of people who’ve had it easy,telling us to stop playing the race card. Don’t deal the race card, and we’ll cease to have a reason to play it.
By Laura
September 15, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this
Beauty queen installs all her popular high school friends into cushy, upper level government positions they aren’t qualified for, puts a tanning bed in the governor’s mansion, torments all those nerdy museum curators and librarians as mayor, lies compulsively…
Isn’t Sarah Palin the girl everyone hated in high school?
And I’d personally love to know the brand name of the tanning bed she bought. How great would “Elite TanSpa” be?
By Truth
September 16, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
Frederick… I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RACE!!!!! Get over it!
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April 2, 2009 10:35 AM | Link to this
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