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Obama wants to tax water!

The volume and audacity of lies pouring from the McCain campaign is startling and even historic. This one may represent a new low — at least a new low as of Sept. 13.

In a new TV ad, McCain claims that Obama has been making attacks on Sarah Palin that have been labeled “completely false” and “misleading” by FactCheck.org.

Except FactCheck says that’s a lie. “We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin,” the group states.

That’s really something, lying straight out about a FactCheck group, knowing that you’re going to get caught but not giving a damn about it.

With stuff like this, the McCain camp has cut any remaining tethers to reality and integrity and is now floating wherever the winds of illusion and whimsy may take them. It’s quite remarkable, and quite insulting to the intelligence of the American people.

Oh, and as you can tell from the statement below, the folks at FactCheck are not at all happy about being used to bolster a lie:

“With its latest ad, released Sept. 10, the McCain-Palin campaign has altered our message in a fashion we consider less than honest. The ad strives to convey the message that FactCheck.org said “completely false” attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin had come from Sen. Barack Obama. We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin.

They call the ad “Fact Check.” It says “the attacks on Gov. Palin have been called ‘completely false’ … ‘misleading.’ ” On screen is a still photo of a grim-faced Obama. Our words are accurately quoted, but they had nothing to do with Obama.

Our article, posted two days earlier, debunked a number of false or misleading claims that have circulated in chain e-mails and Internet postings regarding Palin. There is no evidence that the Obama campaign is behind any of the wild accusations that we critiqued. There is no more basis for attributing these viral attacks to the Obama campaign than there is for blaming the McCain campaign for chain e-mail attacks falsely claiming that Obama is a Muslim, or a “racist,” or that he is proposing to tax water.”

Taxing water? Uh oh. I can see the new McCain commercial now:

“Obama ‘proposing to tax water!’, says FactCheck.org!!”

I mean, why not? What is there to stop them?

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By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

What is there to stop them?

The View.

Its getting ridiculous but fun watching the right lose it on this blog.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Obama Camp: “McCain Would Rather Lose His Integrity Than Lose Election”.

I would add he lost his honor, decency, soul and respect.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

What is good for thee gander is good for the goose, well, except I don’t think Jay likes it when the opposition does the exact same thing he does all the freaking time, twist their words.

But hey, McCain got the word out he wanted, same as you always do.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

So where is the Urinal Ombudsman at, has she been let go as part of some cost cutting measures?

Or has the Urinal thrown integrity to the wind, not needing an internal fact checker, as goony as Angela was?

Why even bother, right guys?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

The Vent of the year:

The Democrats think if we leave Iraq, the people will survive without our help because they have no choice. Why don’t we try that here first?

Yes, why don’t we?

By politicjock

September 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

In running the sleaziest campaign since South Carolina in 2000 and standing by completely debunked lies on national television, it’s clear that John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose an election.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Yes, lets not bail out corporate.

I agree.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

INTERVIEW: PALIN SAYS OBAMA WILL REGRET NOT PICKING HILLARY.

bwa.

(He already does.)

By bush go away

September 13, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Palin is a strict creationsist. How much more proof do you need that she’s completely unqualified? How out of touch with reality do you have to be to believe the Earth is 6,000 years old?

And we trust a religious fanatic one step from the Oval Office to make rational decisions when it comes to dealing with religious fanatics all across the world?

By stan

September 13, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

McCain would rather divide America than lose the election. Some patriot.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Hey Jay

If you ever see private Obama, would you please tell him for me that when he plays basketball, why can’t he wear a T-shirt that says “Community Organizer” or something like that instead of “USMC” as it kind of irritates most of us veterans.

By BiteMe

September 13, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

“tethering connections to reality” seems much more appropriate for the Democrat smear machine in this election. You guys have really gone over the top, even for you. It’s been in high gear this week as the media’s remaining shreds of credibility swirls around the toilet bowl. The good news is that the American people seem to be smarter than the Democrats hoped they were.

By mavsreader

September 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

By your outrageous headline, no one would guess your conclusion.

Yes, if we (the press) can’t stop them we can at least laugh at them.

Too bad for the American people.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

I find it laughable that Obama claims they didn’t send anybody to Alaska to research Governor Palin. If they did he’s a liar and if they didn’t he’s incompetent, although since nearly the entire US media is up trying to slime her maybe he figure they’ll do his job for him.

At least Jay stayed right here to try to slime her. Forty minutes apart this morning, which is just a little desperate. Actually a LOT desperate.

By GOPs got to go

September 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Has McCain repainted his bus yet? I think “BullSh!t Express” might be a nice new theme phrase.

Here is another campaign slogan for Sarah Palin, “Sarah Palin, Pat Roberson with Boobs”

I am still appalled at the “lipstick” quote from Obama, How many more insults can a pig have to withstand?

By Hillary Flintstone

September 13, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Do you think Obama could take Sara in a arm wrestle? Do you think Sara could take Obama in a bake off. These important questions must be answered before I make up my mind.

By Aengil

September 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

“I find it laughable that Obama claims they didn’t send anybody to Alaska to research Governor Palin.”

Why? It’s not like there isn’t anyone already in Alaska who could do that kind of research you know.

By HIllbilly Deluxe

September 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

So what does the headline have to do with this column? It makes no mention that anybody has said Obama wants to tax water.

By ANS

September 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

The Americans for Natural Selection is endorsing John McCain. We at the ANS believe there to be nothing more devastating to this country than its own ignorance. Four more years will turn issues of joblessness and foreclosure into ones of famine and disease, thus ridding us of the ignorant filth that keeps getting us into this mess.

By Lefty

September 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Barack Obama kills kittens, eats dead puppies, was the gunman on the grassy knoll, and kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

“I’m John McCain and I approved this message.”

By Maria E. Cisneros

September 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Jay, don’t you have something more constructive to accomplish…such as visiting your local free health clinic to have your venereal warts ablated?

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Again, we agree Andy.

But they should have ran Hillary.

private,

I wear a Marine’s hat.

Does that irritate you too?

You are aware of McCain’s votes

Does his Navy hat irritate you?

He should take it off like his flag pin.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Why? It’s not like there isn’t anyone already in Alaska who could do that kind of research you know.

So if Obama hired in place investigators that’s somehow different? In Jay’s world that would qualify as the lowest point in the history of American elections or some such ridiculous hyperbole.

By CW

September 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Wow! The dishonest, venomous, and vicious attacks from the left loonies have really picked up over the last 2 days. The Obama surrogates, such as this guy, ignore any problems with Obama and Biden. Then they trot out some piece about how bad and dishonest the Republicans are. Many of these editorials masquerade as factual news.

John McCain is a good person. Sarah Palin is a good person. They have their hearts in the right place. I think Obama has his heart in the right place. I think Biden is evil incarnate. He is as partisan as they get. He wants to ban and confiscate all guns. He has been instrumental in blocking qualified judges that don’t think the way he does.

Where are the you tube videos of Biden at his best? When is the left leaning media going to tear into Obama and Biden?

By J

September 13, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

a quick reminder liberals that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Your at the tipping point where America is going to teach you a lesson.

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

It’s obvious that the left is terrified of Sarah Palin.

It’s also obvious that the entire populace has lost any faith in the press.

Why else would factcheck.com be the favorite source for people such as Jay Bookman?

BTW, Hitler was a community organizer once.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

“BiteMe” != “ByteMe”

I’m just sayin’….

And RW, the WSJ article seems like a RNC plant. It wasn’t that Team Obama sent all those people up there, it was that the DNC did it, but the DNC didn’t and no one seems to have proof that they did. But that got the whole nutwing pundits on Fox and blogs talking like Palin was under attack… and then the guy posting the story won’t talk about his sources. I think it was a plant to provide a nutwing “story of the day” to distract people from reality.

And you fell for it, it seems.

By Mike

September 13, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

“The volume and audacity of lies pouring from the McCain campaign is startling and even historic. This one may represent a new low — at least a new low as of Sept. 13.”

LOL. Hyperbole makes me laugh. “They are the worstest ever!!”

Isn’t amazing that everyone who runs against Bookman’s chosen candidates is horrible and even worse than the last guy. Anyone with any common sense would recognize how statistically unlikely that is and would start questioning whether their partisanship has rendered them incapable of any judgment beyond the reflexive partisan response. But nobody has ever confused Bookman with one of those folks.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

And Team McCain-Palin continue to make stuff up…

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a1J0tfV3XJYs&refer=politics

Hard to believe that anyone would want serial liars to head the executive branch.

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

From a blog I read:

The Difference Between a Republican and a Democrat

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his .

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, ‘How is your friend Audrey doing?’ She replied, ‘Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.’

Her wise father asked his daughter, ‘Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.’

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, ‘That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!’

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.’

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

“Hitler was a community organizer.”

OK then.

Of course, he was also a decorated war hero.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

ByteMe,

So I take it you’re going with the Obama is incompetent angle. I can’t really disagree with you on that.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

To Lefty

Excellent list but you left one out:

Supports the killing of innocent unborn babies ………….

By Dusty

September 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Bookman says “Obama wants to tax water.”Bookman says he can see it now. But OBAMA DID NOT SUGGEST TAXING WATER. Therefore BOOKMAN IS A LIAR!

Of course, I know it is just a journalistic pretense. Plain ol’ hooey! But….

Two can play this game of making a poisonous pretzel out of every campaign statement. Or even make up one as Bookman did today.

I suspect Bookman is breaking the trail for Tucker. You know. Little board decisions. They’ve decided to go tough or “crooked”. ‘Tis said by libs that Obama was not being “mean” enough. So the faithful sycophants in the media are being the fabricating followers. GET UGLY!

I haven’t seen Tucker’s Sunday expose’ but I am sure she has discovered a vital “fault” in Palin..or McCain or (heaven help us) President Bush. Has Ike blown over without an untidy reference to the current administration?

We know Obama does not want to tax water. He only wants to walk on water.

By Chris

September 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Gibson tried to embarrass Palin by referring to her Christian faith in asking people to pray for U.S. soldiers in Iraq

False.

Unlike Lincoln, who said that we should pray that we are on God’s side, Palin asserted that our U.S. soldiers are “on a task from God”—which eerily sounds like something Osama bin Laden would say.

In the same presentation, since she doesn’t believe that global warming is caused by human activity, Palin asked church members to pray for a pipeline to be built across Alaska (another precedent that Lincoln never set).

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Ouch Jay.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

RW: Actually, not taking that angle either. He’s just not an sleaze like Republicans.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC-M,

Three months ago Gibson did a one on one with Obambi. I left the hard hitting questions Charlie asked on Jay’s previous PDS fueled missive here

By Apostled

September 13, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is on the front cover of Newsweek and over her shoulder is what looks like a heavy calibre rifle, open at the breech. Sarah Palin looks ready for that shotgun wedding for her dum dum shell of a daughter, eh?

bwa.

you can not miss with sarah palin. she’s gold. I want her to be president, not mccain.

We want sarah. we want sarah.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 13, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Management, if you have an opinion of your own, state it.

Otherwise…

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Yeah private,

Blowing up innocent babies is post term abortion.

I thought repubes were against abortion.

Pro life is a bigger joke than country first.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

JAY - Good One !

BUT NEITHER OBAMA OR HITLER WERE MARINES !

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

No, but one of them was a corporal.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Ah, lovely Sarah the liar. She admits she lied when she said “thanks but no thanks”. Now it turns out that when she said “if we want to build a bridge in Alaska we’ll pay for it ourselves” that she was lying about that as well:

http://www.propublica.org/article/palin-administration-still-pursuing-nowhere-project-913/

She still got money from Congress for bridges to nowhere.

But of course, bringing this up must be “sexist” or whatever is the codeword of the day. Or maybe that Obama said it was ok. Whatever is the rationalization from Republicans that lying is ok even when you’re caught and keep repeating the lies.

Al Gore’s campaign was burned by the wrong idea that he was lying about his accomplishments even when he didn’t lie about them. I wonder how this storyline is going to play out with the media now looking to disprove almost everything Team McCain-Palin say? You think the underlying theme of the next few weeks is going to be “serial liars and the lying liars who enable them?”

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

RW: You actually believe talk radio is anything more than entertainment for their respective audiences? You think Rush or Hannity hasn’t said things that might be considered stupid and hurtful to Democrats?

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

JAY

VERY GOOD ! - You’re on a roll today.

However, he was really only a Gefreiter (a lance corporal). I know that may be confusing to you civilians but it’s one step below a corporal.

He wanted to be an artist also. You know how those Hollywood “artsie” types are when they don’t get their way……….

Not tell private Obama to quit wearing that T-shirt ……….

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

ByteMe,

I know that over the next few days we’ll see people of your political persuasion spreading that rumor all over these blogs.I also know the topic of this particular post is lies about the candidates. Now if McCain were to put out an ad saying Obama said that about Palin it would be a lie, at least for now, but if he said an Obama supporter in the media said it then it wouldn’t be a lie.

Do you have any particular purpose here other than to carp about anything I post? You’re starting to sound as obsessed with me as Jay is with Sarah.

By Lefty

September 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Corporal, How did I miss that one? I guess I was so caught up in the discovery that Obama masterminded the 9/11 attacks that I plumb forgot to include it. You’re right, Obama is in favor of giving woment the right to choose to complete or terminate their pregnancies - killing innocent unborn babies if you will. But, he’s also in favor of giving aid, when required, to women who choose to deliver their babies. A preventative measure so we don’t have to kill those babies twenty years postpartum when they’ve turned to a life of crime. Ethics and morality can be so damn confusing to some of us. But it sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.

By N-GA

September 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Corporal - I suppose you think that Atlanta Falcons players should be peeved when a fan wears a Falcons jersey.

CW - “Good” people don’t lie, or stretch the truth, especially when they claim to be Christians. If Jesus hadn’t risen on the third day, he would be rolling in his tomb.

Jay - If millions of Americans believed for years that professional wrestling was real, then it is easy to understand why that same demographic would believe McCain’s lies.

By Charles

September 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

So I wonder when Nobama grows some gonads, drops Joe “Hair Club For Men” Biden and asks Hillary to join his ticket? When and if he does he better make sure the Secret Service watch his back. People seem to drop like flies around the Clintons!

By Apostled

September 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin thinks that if she can see a country, then she can pack her foreign policy resume with it. Well, I see England, I see France. I see Sarah’s unmarried, underaged, undersexeducated’d daughter’s underpants.

Bristol wouldn’t BE in this fix if she had sex ed in school, starting from a very young age. I mean, how old were Adam and Eve when they sinned? I’d say about four months old, of course, they started out as young adults. Eve must have been a knockout. Dont feel bad, Adam, I would have cranked her too. That’s what the forbidden fruit was, you know: sex. God warned them not to do it, but they did it anyway, as the hoary host of the netherworld commanded them to. There must have been a nude beach nearby, I mean, they were both walking porn, you know? And now we’ve got all this.

So, Sarah Palin, See Russia. See Russia invade a sovereign country. See America. See America invade a sovereign country.

On a clear day, Sarah, you can see……..

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

Well, McCain is at least staying true to his claim of being a maverick. After all, who else could have ever dreamed up the strategy of just telling lie after lie after lie. That’s gutsy, that’s different, that’s:

The Straight Talk Express: Lies You Can Have Faith In

brought to you by John McCain and Sarah Palin

By TW

September 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder - cute story.

The problem is that it is predicated on the fallacy that Republicans Work harder than Democrats.

Common sense knows the only time a Republican sweats is when he’s under investigation or when his airport tap dance goes unanswered.

By Apostled

September 13, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin is on the front cover of Newsweek and over her shoulder is what looks like a heavy calibre rifle, open at the breech. Sarah Palin looks ready for that shotgun wedding for her dum dum shell of a daughter, eh?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Gee, I wonder why mine are the only ones that get taken down?

I think here the media is on very dangerous ground. I think that when you see them going through every single expense report that Governor Palin ever filed, if they don’t do that for all four of the candidates, they’re on very dangerous ground. I think the media so far has been the biggest loser in this race. And they continue to have growing credibility problems.

What we are watching, ladies and gentleman, is what’s known as a kult suicide.

The libs have torn off thee mask, closed down the fact checking bureaus and have gone to carrying the water for the dhimmocrat party like some slavish army of hacks.

Is this not reason to celebrate?

To egg them on?

Maybe we’ll get the “change” we’ve been waiting for?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

It remains to be seen if Gibson’s perceived arrogance and condescension will give Palin another boost. It certainly didn’t help the Democrats that ABC’s chief political correspondent, Stephanopoulos, who had rushed to Obama’s aid only four days before, was wheeled on to discuss her interview with Gibson as soon as it was concluded.

Now the big question remains-

Do you choose the candidate of the out of touch, arrogant, elite windbags that think that you are stupid or do you choose the candidate who has a life just like…………….yours?

Hmmmmmmm.

By N-GA

September 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

In her interview with Gibson, Palin looked like Mohammed Ali doing the rope-a-dope. She took punches and threw nothing back. I expected her to burst into tears at any moment.

She was witless and ill-informed. An average college debate student would have mopped the floor with her. She avoided answering almost every question. She looked like a moose caught in headlights. Gibson had to try to summarize for her several times - explain her answers because they were all over the place.

I can’t wait until the debates. And you can’t blame Gibson for Palin’s inept answers!

By BiteMe

September 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Did anyone notice that Joe Biden released his taxes today. He and his wife gave a grand total of $195 to charity in 2007. 195!!! My kids give more to charity and they are in College. I don’t make as much as Joe but have a hundred times more money to charitable causes in 2007. Yet this guy and his running mate represent themselves as for the less fortunate. Only when it’s not their money!

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

The interview looks quite a bit different when you see what ABC left on the cutting room floor. They won’t be able to do that in the debates. You can scroll up to 1:20 and read it for yourself.

By Demokkkrat National KKKommittee

September 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Greetings fellow dimwits:

I have an important announcement to make to you assembled morons and hacks, the Blessed One has decided that he is going to keep Hair Plug’s on thee ticket, for now.

Quite! Quite I say! Stop throwing things at me, you ingrateful little toadies! Look, you fools, I know you all want thee Bruno, Thee Most Magnificent and Merciful Giver Of Government Benefits back, but would that not make Thee Chosen One look foolish?

Stop it! Right now! Get back from thee podium! What do you mean he cannot look more foolish than he already does? Do you slobs not understand that you have been Graced with Thee Most Splendid Ruler In All Thee Land? Sure, he completely blew his first major decision as a presidential kkkandidate, but so what? Is he not Beloved by all of thee Euroweenies and Hollywood Drug Addicts?

What more could you want?

Look at how thee pinko media is in thee bag for our Pompous Little Aristocrat. They prostrate before him around like the have grown out of his behind. They unmercifully attack thee women and hos that dare challenge Thee Wise and Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh Nuanced Thinker. They spin and flop around on thee floor for him, these same brothers of yours, thee same people that hate America, hate our brave soldiers, want us to be defeated, want our economy to fail, want you to be miserable and a slave to their every whim, dependent upon them to make your life comfy and without care, albeit poor and destitute, living in thee housing projects, but hey, will you not be able to stay stoned and drunk all day, with no responsibility? Is this not thee United States that we all want?

So forget about thee Bruno and remember, when Hair Plugs says something idiotic, ignore it, clap and cheer like the mouth breathing dullards that you are.

No more gasping at him!

So get out there and spread thee word of ignorance and stupidity, like we have taught you, and never forget, you are lucky to have this dimwit community organizer bless you with his presence. Or something like that.

Yes he can!

Seig Heil!

By Einstein's Ghost

September 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

And just what is WRONG with being a creationist?

Any informed physicist must acknowledge the possibility that adam and eve were the first humans created as young adults, and that the universe was created when THEY first observed it.

And it would be about 6000 years ago. Remember, there’s no such thing as gravity or time. That’s all a human construct. We can see quasars that are 12 billion years old. What does that even mean? Nobody knows. Nobody can explain the universe. Nobody.

So, gravity is a local force that stems from the gyroscopic oscillations of a spinning planet. What holds the planets in orbit? Nothing. They are traveling in a straight line as fast and as far away from the sun as they can get but guess what? The sun has warped space so the planets appear to us to travel around the sun.

Creationism is no more likely to be false or true than the big bang theory. The big bang theory, if solidified by the new supercollider, will open many more questions than it answers.

Trust me on that one.

But I wont allow anyone to discount Creationism out of hand. If anything, quantum physics leans more to creationism than to the big bang. But we’ll know more a year from now with that super collider.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

BiteMe: But what you don’t understand is that Biden doesn’t have to give his money to charity when he has all of your tax money to spread around as he sees fit.

This evens the score in the minds of the dhimmocrats, notice how they can blubber and scold you for “harming” the environment, right before they fly off in their private jet?

It’s a mental thing.

By N-GA

September 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks for the link. ABC did Palin a favor by leaving those edits on the cutting room floor. I read the entire interview and can now say, unequivocally, that Sarah Palin talks like a high school student trying to sound like an adult.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

I think Obama should suggest a tax on campaign lies.

I heard that a new website has been started — Truth Check. They say that they are still waiting for a truth from the McCain/Palin team to check. Their sister site, Lie Check has stated that McCain/Palin statements have hit a perfect 100% score — a first for their site. Take a bow.

By Dusty

September 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Things are getting a bit dull so I will try to help Bookman gather the latest NEWS FLASH.

Sarah Palin’s Husband Did NOT Win Dogsled Race. Lead dog confesses.(Reported to be a doggone lie!)

Sarah Palin did not “dress” a moose. She UNDRESSED one. But she said……(check with FactCheck or Fat Chix)

Sarah Palin DID eat wolf meat.(Proof: A reporter heard her stomach GROWL.)

Sarah Palin never lived in an igloo. (Bookman title; PooPoo to Igloo is a NOO NOO for Sarah.)

Sarah Palin won the Bridge Game. (Reporters said she trumped an ace.) Score??

Sarah Palin said she would not blink at Russians in Georgia. (Jimmy Carter said he would.) Well, as long as the peanuts lasted.

If I hear any more revealing news I will let you know, Bookman.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Eighty percent say McCain, with nearly three decades in Congress, has the right experience to be president. Just 46 percent say Obama, now in his fourth year in the Senate, is experienced enough

Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience — an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor.

Wasn’t that just another brilliant move from The Dunce? Scream and yell about the “untested” bottom of the Republican ticket and have the electorate start asking themselves about the top of the Democrat ticket. Forget dumping Biden, I’m surprised the Democrats haven’t decided to join the “Barry’s not a citizen” crowd and tossed him under his own bus.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Is this not psychotic?:

“They’ve been talking about lipstick and they’ve been talking about pigs and they’ve been talking about Paris and Britney,” Obama whined to a boisterous crowd of 1,500 packed into a gym at a technical college here. “They will spend any amount of money and use any tactic out there in order to avoid talking about how we’re going to move America forward to the future.”-XXXOOOWapoXXXOOO

That is all that McCain has done is talk policy and what did it get him for his efforts, the drive by media whining and moaning and twisting his words into a knot.

But yet, has Oblahma told us about how he lavishes earmarks on the corn growing ethanol boondogglers in Illinois or his undying devotion to “planned parenthood?”

Well except for when Republicans play back his past comment, that is.

By Dusty

September 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Yes, RW, and N-GA (3:32) sounds like a born again liberal trying to be a Michael Moore producer.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Wouldn’t it be nice if Obama would even attempt questions like Palin took? He got one tough question in a debate and we heard nonstop whining for the next two weeks. So much so that when Gibson did his one on one I believe the toughest question was, What’s you favorite color?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Pollster Scott Rasmussen finds that 68 percent believe “most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win” and that 51 percent believe the press is “trying to hurt” Sarah Palin. The press and the Democratic ticket are paying the price for decades of biased mainstream media coverage.

So very obvious, ain’t it?

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

JAY

*Of course, he was also a decorated war hero. *

Good one, Jay - and touche’ to you too.

Of course Hitler lost his war which he wouldn’t have been able to wage without the APPEASERS.

Seems like we have a couple of those running for POTUS and VPOTUS.

Can anyone imagine today’s democRAT party prosecuting a conflict such as WWII?

I should think the first thing they would do is send the tort lawyers to Berlin and Tokyo and file suit for damages. LOL.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

I was out running some errands a while ago and I had to pass 6 gas stations. Five of them were selling regular for $3.99 and had very few customers. The other one had regular at $4.29 and was packed. All were equally convenient to access. Does my study prove that gas prices are too low?

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

RW:

I think your study proves that not many people are out shopping for gas today.

By Einstein's Ghost

September 13, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

No, RW, passing six gas stations means that your car gets good mileage.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

I would like to thank the metro Atlanta people for making a rush on gas stations prior to gas price hikes. They proved the point that government “price controls” don’t work like mindless liberals want. Betcha those empty pumps would have still been plentiful at an immediate $4.50/gallon jack up.

By Einstein's Ghost

September 13, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

CNN just reported that Cheney has invited Sarah Palin to go duck hunting with him. No word from the Palin campaign.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Thee proof is in thee pudding, so to speak:

Ranking states by domestic migration, per-capita income growth and employment growth, ALEC found that from 1996 through 2006, Texas, Florida and Arizona were the three most successful states. Illinois, Ohio and Michigan were the three least successful.

Guess what the difference is.

By N-GA

September 13, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

RW,

I guess we will find out in the upcoming debates. I hope every question is a 92 mph sinker. Also, the grand inquisitor should not allow any candidate to leave a question unanswered.

As far as your “study”, you may want to go back and re-check the facts. The racetrack in Jasper had only premium gas yesterday. The pump handles had plastic bags on the regular and mid-grade hoses. Other stations were having availability problems as well.

My thought is that many stations are refusing to pay the $1/gallon premium that has been tacked on to the wholesale price. The last 2 storms had price increases followed in 1-2 days by price decreases. Stations don’t want to be stuck with high-priced inventory. 5,000 gallons with a $1/gallon premium is some costly inventory.

BTW, remember when they used to be called service stations?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

In a new TV ad, McCain claims that Obama has been making attacks on Sarah Palin that have been labeled “completely false” and “misleading” by FactCheck.org

I don’t really know why but I just decided to listen to McCain’s ad. McCain doesn’t say that Obama made those claims that fact check debunked

It seems it’s Jay that we need to fact check whenever these charges of LIES come up.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Jay is not himself and really angry, like most liberals (as always - ever seen a happy liberal not whining about something? Me neither.). I’m sorry Jay, but this nation is full of Conservatives too.

I would suggest going back to the drawing board realizing that 1), arrogant “I don’t stink” delegates can hijack a party and 2), a tough woman who speaks what she believes vs. what the “will of the people” believe and want is worth nothing.

Finally, what the Euroweenies think about wanting Barack being our next president is about as useful as a bull teet. They don’t pay our taxes, and you can BET when Putin’s hard line Russia starts knocking on their door, they”ll be crying for a Reagan/Thatcher remake.

Tough love, liberals. Suck it up and put your big girl panties on.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

We won’t find out anything from the debates. After the debates there are always 10,000 stories about how the Democrat “won” but all anybody ever remembers is some huge gaffe the Democrat made.

Global test, Cheney’s daughter the lesbian, the instant tans, the botox….etc.

We’ll find out November 4th or whenever the Democrats lose their lawsuits.

By Einstein's Ghost

September 13, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Debates are ALWAYS letdowns. Even the Kennedy Nixon debate was anticlimatic, with the winner being determined by how the debate was observed. Kennedy’s dark suit won the day for TV viewers. Nixon’s logic won the day for radio listeners.

Kennedy’s dark suit won. His dark tan. his dark hair.

Sarah Palin can win with her suit, her hair and her looks. I’m already madly in love and I would vote 4 her if she were 4 president.

I want a beautiful president. I think it would be nice. Then to save the country I think an affair with Putin would be in order. That’s what America needs: a good sex scandal.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 13, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Did you WATCH the TV ad, RW?

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

I want a beautiful president.

Will someone please remind the deranged lunatic fringe liberal left that Palin is NOT running for president?

Good grief, who has drummed up all this hysteria over Palin who took the wind(farms) out of the liberals at the DNC convention? Who the heck is running for president again? First it was Bush III and now it’s Palin. LMAO.

Yeah… that means you PoFO.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

Just stay on the offense and attack their lies, decency, honor, credibility and records.

Its not rocket science people.

I am sure President Clinton advised him of this simple solution.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

We’ll find out November 4th or whenever the Democrats lose their lawsuits.

Hat tip to RW for that…

By Dusty

September 13, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Please, please, Einstein @4:31..Lest we forget…or… We’d like to forget ..the great sex scandal of ye famous Democrat, the one and only Bill Clinton.

That was big enough…bad enough….and blatant enough to last forever.

Now, PoFo, go stand in the corner. You’ve been bad again.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Rufus, that was a deranged lunatic conservative you just insulted. Check out his earlier defense of Creationism. No liberal would write such crap.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Jay B.,

Yes I did and I just got the impression that Obama supporters were making those false claims. I guess it’s possible that I’m a more sophisticated ad watcher than most, in that I’m aware of what they’re talking about and pay special attention to their wording.

Was he supposed to show a picture of shadowy blogs that make these claims, most of which pop up out of nowhere to make them? It’s also awfully suspicious how quickly a brand new blog gets mainstreamed allowing the candidate to take the high road long before anybody should have reasonably been expected to find the blog.

If I had to guess these blogs are far more connected to the Obama campaign than not, but I have no way to prove it.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

Forgive me for being slow today, usually I catch these things right off the bat:

The Chicago City Council passed Mayor Daley’s budget yesterday, which included a five-cent tax per unit of bottled water sold in the city, in addition to a fairly large property tax hike.

So Jay is telling the truth, hahahaha.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

It’s a good thing we were not even more dependent on oil from the Gulf of Mexico and refined products pumped from the Gulf coast than we already are. If we were, we would probably be facing even more serious supply shortages and we would have gas prices well over $4/gallon. What? Some place ARE over $4/gallon. WHY, you ask? Well, it’s because hurricanes come through the Gulf of Mexico — that place where the Republicans want to drill even more holes than we currently have drilled there. Maybe these Republicans had better get Palin on board right now and get those holes drilled and refineries built in ANWR real fast to help solve this problem with high gas prices. I’m sure she can get that oil flowing and refined in no time — maybe nine years instead of the usual ten year turnaround. Now, hurry along Sarah. You have your assignment. We’re waiting. Maybe you can even get some of the other Republican politicians to give up their pork and let you have it for oil infrastructure in Alaska — pipelines and refineries and wells and such.

I think we need to get busy on the Georgia coast and fix these oil problems. We should start drilling around Tybee Island first and see what’s there. Where are those Georgia Republicans when you need them. Are they still playing around under the dome with the lights out. Silly boys.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Byte:

Howareya…

Anyway, I’ve been seeing how you liberals have gone hysterical (boy that’s redundant) over this Creationism stuff. If any one of you left wingers think that Palin will install a theocracy in this nation, may I also point to you another “great” cause by wacko leftists (and radical rightists):

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/

Our three different branches of government are there for a reason.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Oh and Jay, I trust that you also think that McCain made the false claim that lawyers are four legged wolves.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer:

Look at the map. Refineries were WAY more in the path of Gustav. I have not looked at Ike’s destruction relative to refineries yet, but you tell me why the immediate jack up vs. what we saw with Gustav.

Again now, tell me why gas prices didn’t rise immediately after Gustav?

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

All’s good, Rufus. Just getting ready to head to Nava for date night with the missus.

And I really don’t get why anyone would think to refer to me as a liberal. I really take more of a radical independent stance. Social progressive, fiscal conservative. A man without a party.

As for creationism, my problem with it is that it’s supposed to be an alternative “theory”, but those who proselytize the “theory” don’t provide any solid testable evidence to support their “theory”. And yet they want it taught as being “science” and not “faith”. I’m ok if they want to teach it as “faith” in their churches, but it’s not science if it can’t be tested and verified… so let’s not get all anti-intellectual and claim it’s more than it is.

Gotta run. Have a good evening.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Those idiots think that we need to take over all of government. Now that I have control of the little red button, AHAHAHAHA…

Sarah, wake up. You’re having that dream of being president again. Yes, we know he has one leg in the grave already but…And, you’ve got to quit talking about taking on Russia and how there won’t be no steenking cold war on your watch and how you’re in a fight to the end of time in Iraq because it’s God’s will and…I know that’s what you’ve been taught all your life, but….

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

I thought Gustav hit some of the platforms, but not the refineries. I heard a number like 25% of all the refineries we have were in the path of Ike. Did I hear that right?

By Einstein's Ghost

September 13, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Go Dogs! woof woof woof woof

They are going to win this. I hope. I dont know if I agree with the play calling late in the second Q. What an arm Stafford has, though. Rare gift.

SC and Steve Spurrier are going to be a tough nut to crack in the second half, but I have confidence in the bulldogs!!

woof woof

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woof

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

I heard a number like 25% of all the refineries we have were in the path of Ike. Did I hear that right?

Sounds about right Byte, according to the map I’ve seen. That other 75% was in the path of Gustav. I’ll research this more…

By TW

September 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Lied about the Iraq visit?

Her trip to Ireland was just for a fuel stop?

Just heard another Palin aide say this Troopergate is for real.

John McCain needs a brain scan.

Palin bounce is over. Supplement checks won’t pay the September bills.

Hope the right had fun last week.

It’s over.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

“So the Republicans have decided to run against themselves. The bums have tiptoed out
the back door and circled around to the front and started yelling, “Throw the bums out!”

They’ve been running Washington like a well-oiled machine, to the point of inviting lobbyists into
the back rooms to write the legislation, and now they are anti-establishment reformers dedicated
to delivering us from themselves.”

Then they spew country first and the ignorant masses fall for it again.

Bravo gop, bravo.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

They’ve been running Washington like a well-oiled machine, to the point of inviting lobbyists into the back rooms to write the legislation,

Are you talking about The Nanny’s Congress or the former Republicrat Congress getalife? We need some clarification there.

Good to see all is well with you BTW.

By ghostwriter

September 13, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

What is really odd is how obviously contradictory the McCain is. He accuses his opponent of being a celebrity yet celebrates his 70th birthday with a Hollywood actress and her boyfriend on their yacht off the coast of Montenegro. He claims to not like negagive campaigning yet he hires the same operatives who trashed his daughter and brought his wife to tears in the 2000 Republican primary. He touts his experience, then closes out the convention by co-opting his opponent’s mantra of change.

Will he do or say anything to get elected?

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Thanks Rufus.

Republicants.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

Rufus,

Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you a little bit about how a series of consecutive hurricanes, tight but initially adequate refined product, evacuations and shut-downs, power outages, storm assessments, etc., all tie together to lead to high gas prices in areas that are dependent on Gulf of Mexico production for Ike and not for Gustav this time around whereas we might not be so lucky next time. Was that enough or do I need to time-line it. The next thing you’ll ask is why Thunder Horse just started production this June instead of years ago.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

What is really odd is how obviously contradictory the McCain is. He accuses his opponent of being a celebrity yet celebrates his 70th birthday with a Hollywood actress…

Great point, ghost. Now will you please tell Matt Damon and Pamela Anderson, you know, those all important Americans whose opinion we should REALLY give a damn about, to back off their thoughts on Mrs. Palin?

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Just heard another Palin aide say this Troopergate is for real.

TW, and we just can’t wait to hear the judiciary committee on tasering a kid and driving while on duty with a beer.

Again, keep it up liberals…

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you a little bit about how a series of consecutive hurricanes, tight but initially adequate refined product, evacuations and shut-downs, power outages, storm assessments, etc., all tie together to lead to high gas prices…blah blah

Ah Taxpayer, the person of sensibility in a nation of emotion driven idiots who took the bait. Now we’re getting somewhere.

Now tell me why we shouldn’t have more refineries, like, say, ALASKA - or Arizona for that matter?

Does the year 1976 ring a bell?

By whome?

September 13, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Interesting…David Brooks, that bastion of conservatism, stated yesterday, that while both campaigns are playing a little fast and loose with the facts, right now, the McCain campaign is “more egregious,” and has been more guilty of stretching the truth-hell, telling outright lies, than Obama’s campaign.

This has been repeated over and over…so while both sides are flinging mud, McCain has decided to go Rovian and switch tactics….instead of focusing on issues, play dirty…

Honor indeed.

By ghostwriter

September 13, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Hey McCainiacs, Chew on this. Obama was a dreaded community activist from 1985 to 1988 (a period of 3 years). He held a job in accademia and the private sector for 23 years after that. You know what McCain was doing during this time? He (along with the Reagan administration) helped the S & L fiasco occur by doing favors for men of the people like Charles Keating and Neil Bush. This led to the largest taxpayer funded bail out of all time.

By whome?

September 13, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

last post/reading, as i do have a life…

From the NY Times (i can hear those ‘righties’ now…liberal biased press, blah blah)…however….

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1221343295-vc63SI1sUXxf4qBvkKktsA

article about Palin’s highly crafted image, and how it completely is at odds with her governing style….article goes beyond “troopergate,” and looks into some new ‘stuff.’

From the article… “Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.”

Does this sound like ANYONE WE KNOW????

Obama/Biden, ‘08. REAL change.

By ghostwriter

September 13, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

But Rufus, Obama is not having birthday parties at Matt Damon’s or Pam Anderson’s house or yacht.

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

TO TW:

You wrote:

*…the fallacy that Republicans Work harder than Democrats. *

DemocRATs hard at work

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this

But Rufus, Obama is not having birthday parties at Matt Damon’s or Pam Anderson’s house or yacht.

B-b-b-but…

Neither did Bushie have one on Falwell’s “yacht.”

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Rufus, Really.

Do you even bother to read. Now, go back to my 4:57 post where I recommended sending Palin on a mission to Alaska rather than Iraq. Bait, indeed. Tell me, was it tasty.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Link to this

Do you even bother to read. Now, go back to my 4:57 post where I recommended sending Palin on a mission to Alaska rather

Taxpayer:

I’m talking REFINERY capacity here.

Read much?

Think much?

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

To Lefty

Just trying to help you out but women don’t terminate a pregnancy, they terminate a child.

To N-Ga.

Falcons jerseys are o.k. They don’t die for their country in those.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

Ha ha! That’s great T&S @ 6:11.

There’s something about the phrase “lay down your shovels” that rings a bell there.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Rufus,

I mentioned new refineries. You do realize that new refineries would increase capacity. Now, think and read and try to respond with something intelligible if you insist on challenging my posts. Hopefully, you do remember starting this little exchange.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer:

Am I in the Twilight Zone? This is about all I recall you being a part of the “refinery” issue:

Since you asked so nicely, I’ll tell you a little bit about how a series of consecutive hurricanes, tight but initially adequate refined product, evacuations and shut-downs, power outages, storm assessments, etc., all tie together to lead to high gas prices in areas that are dependent on Gulf of Mexico production for Ike and not for Gustav this time around whereas we might not be so lucky next time. Was that enough or do I need to time-line it. The next thing you’ll ask is why Thunder Horse just started production this June instead of years ago. The next thing you’ll ask is why Thunder Horse just started production this June instead of years ago.

My point, and obviously I did not make it clear enough for a liberal and speak s-l-o-w-l-y enough, is that we need to look. at. REFINERIES. elsewhere. other. than. the. Gulf. of. Mexico.

Unfortunately, your liberal left wing environazi brethren are more concerned about non-existent animal extinction.

BTW liberal - I’ll be here all night homie. I’m not giving it up…

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

This forum is about as primitive as flint and steel. You can’t reply to a specific poster and you can’t know when he/she is replying to you.

The AJC should refer to DemocratUnderground and Free Republic to see how it’s done.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

September 13, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

There was a mention of Mohammed Ali’s rope-a-dope strategy. That was in his fight with a young George Foreman. Ali won that fight by the way.

By Erv

September 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

We all retreat to your own ideological corners, afraid to even conceder the issues before us. We tare each other up with words by cleaver people using social science against us. Look at the problems we have as a nation, War, jobs lost, education system, and economic decline. Look who has control over these issues. It’s not the poor not the middle class, the rich. Who gets richer the rich? How can they continue keep the dumbmass arguing amost themselves? Playing to the social disposition we all have (or fears).

By Erv

September 13, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

We all retreat to your own ideological corners, afraid to even conceder the issues before us. We tare each other up with words by cleaver people using social science against us. Look at the problems we have as a nation, War, jobs lost, education system, and economic decline. Look who has control over these issues. It’s not the poor not the middle class, the rich. Who gets richer the rich? How can they continue keep the dumbmass arguing amost themselves? Playing to the social disposition we all have (or fears).

By Paul P

September 13, 2008 11:56 PM | Link to this

Help! Help! I am registered Independent. At first I thought this Obama guy may be OK. Then God’s right people swore his pastor was the devil in disguise with an agenda to take us all to hell…Ok, at the very least he was UNPATRIOTIC…same thing. I developed doubts. Then more and more stuff was said on both sides like: you’re wrong…no you are wrong…oh yeah, you are lying…but you are a bigger liar. Then recently,…community organizer, what the hell is that?…no vetting…oh yeah, you said she is a pig…did not say she was a pig….well, I’ll fix you and I’ll just lie like hell because no one will notice…hell you will, I won’t take it! What to do, what to do? I decided to use my brain (holy molly what is that?) and do actual research…lots of research. I focused on the issues…only issues that would actually affect my life. What a shocker!!!. After all the research and enough paper and pencil to worry trees about extinction, the final result was I couldn’t vote on the issues. Hell, the Obama guy is no good rotten scum. He secretly goes home and puts a towel on his head for Christ’s sake. He is the devils servant. He is the world’s biggest liar. He…excuse me I have to get back on the internet to gather up more really real stinky feces to throw…has to be sticky, too, so it won’t just fall to the ground. Ok, I’m back. That uppity no good sam…er saammmy…er, oh yea, sambo! I’m with you ladies and real red blooded Americans. No way in hell am I gonna be part to putting the first black man in the white house! Issues, issues?…I don’t need no stinking badges…er, issues!…sorry. Can’t wait ‘til he screws up and says something that can be used to justify stringing him up like the good ol’ days…figuratively speaking of course. He just isn’t one of us. Like you, I want Sarah. She should be President, not VP. McCain who? Come on, you know it’s true. Sarah is the one. We want Sarah…let us pray…let us get Sarah in…pray…McCain falls by the way side, Amen. Oh if only! I can dream..I can pray. Yes, yes, yes…hell with the issues…don’t need no stinking badges…er, issues…dang, I did it again, sorry. Sarah! Sarah! I swear to vote for you…in my eyes you are just like me and that is what counts…don’t need no stinking issues! Forget the help, I finally got it right.

By Einstein's Ghost

September 14, 2008 7:23 AM | Link to this

moron

By C. Neiman

September 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

In addition to losing his honor, McCain and Palin have also lost ALL CREDIBILITY! How can anyone believe anything they say now (not to mention if they were in office), after the ads have been debunked and Palin has been caught lying about everything from where she’s traveled to troopergate. Palin has now lied about her position on the bridge to nowhere for the 9th time (as of Sept. 14th). She dropped the line from her stump speech when she was home in Alaska, where people knew it wasn’t true, but started reciting it again as soon as she left the state.

By Marcia

September 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

Thank you for telling the truth and not being afraid to use the “L” word. We are each entitled to our opinion but facts are facts, and I appreciate your willingness to call McCain on the carpet when he lies. Oops, did I just offend carpets everywhere?

By atoh

September 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Link to this

Left vs Right, life versus choice, Liberals versus conservatives. This is exactly the kind of divisive choices they try to lead us to make…totally irrelevant choices for our task at hand.

The realities are stark. At home, joblessness is growing, foreclosures are sweeping the market, healthcare system lays dysfunctional, public school system is faltering. Overseas, we have war on two fronts, nuclear-powered Pakistan in turmoil, Russia stirring,Iran restless, else where, China is rising, and rhetoric in South America increasingly anti-US.

All inclinations aside, these are the realities that face each and every one of us. Instead of lies and distractions, each candidate should help paint a picture of where they see us going, and explain to us how we will engage in this new reality.

Instead, we hear lies, distortions, and smears from the McCain camp…one begins to wonder why these lies are necessary if you actually had some specific plans.

It is a great start now that McCain has begun to adopt change as his new mantra… and now we should start asking him exactly what he means….let’s start with taxes. You claim that earmarks will help offset your $3 trillion in tax cuts. That’s $17 billion off, now where else? Palin suggests that we will reform agencies, which agencies and why do they need reform? How will we change our foreign policy to lead in the new geo-political landscape?

We need to hear from both sides, and take the personalities, and our inclinations aside. I can relate to Palin…but that does not mean she would help solve the nation’s housing crisis, or that she would help us build our international alliances…I think McCain’s a stand-up guy, a hero, ‘have you heard what he did while he was a POW?’, but that doesn’t mean he never lies. I think Obama’s cool, but that’s not the reason why I am supportive of his plans.

‘Celebrity’, ‘Obama raising taxes’, ‘Lipstick’, “sex for kindergartners”…these bold-faced distortions and distractions are NOT PRODUCTIVE for our decision process.

‘Change’ carries a price, it means abandoning failed ideas and embracing new ones, it means creating new solutions for new challenges, it means positive change, for red america, blue america, pro-life or pro-choice america, gun-loving, gun-hating america…We need to know which plans work for ALL of us. Enough with the mudslinging…let’s get back to the issues.

By atoh

September 15, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

Left vs Right, life versus choice, Liberals versus conservatives. This is exactly the kind of divisive choices they try to lead us to make…totally irrelevant choices for our task at hand.

The realities are stark. At home, joblessness is growing, foreclosures are sweeping the market, healthcare system lays dysfunctional, public school system is faltering. Overseas, we have war on two fronts, nuclear-powered Pakistan in turmoil, Russia stirring,Iran restless, else where, China is rising, and rhetoric in South America increasingly anti-US.

All inclinations aside, these are the realities that face each and every one of us. Instead of lies and distractions, each candidate should help paint a picture of where they see us going, and explain to us how we will engage in this new reality.

Instead, we hear lies, distortions, and smears from the McCain camp…one begins to wonder why these lies are necessary if you actually had some specific plans.

It is a great start now that McCain has begun to adopt change as his new mantra… and now we should start asking him exactly what he means….let’s start with taxes. You claim that earmarks will help offset your $3 trillion in tax cuts. That’s $17 billion off, now where else? Palin suggests that we will reform agencies, which agencies and why do they need reform? How will we change our foreign policy to lead in the new geo-political landscape?

We need to hear from both sides, and take the personalities, and our inclinations aside. I can relate to Palin…but that does not mean she would help solve the nation’s housing crisis, or that she would help us build our international alliances…I think McCain’s a stand-up guy, a hero, ‘have you heard what he did while he was a POW?’, but that doesn’t mean he never lies. I think Obama’s cool, but that’s not the reason why I am supportive of his plans.

‘Celebrity’, ‘Obama raising taxes’, ‘Lipstick’, “sex for kindergartners”…these bold-faced distortions and distractions are NOT PRODUCTIVE for our decision process.

‘Change’ carries a price, it means abandoning failed ideas and embracing new ones, it means creating new solutions for new challenges, it means positive change, for red america, blue america, pro-life or pro-choice america, gun-loving, gun-hating america…What is ultimately important is whole plan would take us to a better direction…so enough with the spectacles…let’s get back to the issues.

By Michael Long

September 15, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

McCain’s campaign manager stated that they’re doing what needs to be done in order to win. Effectively, he’s saying that the end justifies the means. But if McCain will lie (or tolerate lies in his name) merely to get into office, what makes anyone think he’s going to stop once he gets there?

The end will justify the means, remember?

By McCainisaliar

September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

But if McCain will lie (or tolerate lies in his name) merely to get into office, what makes anyone think he’s going to stop once he gets there? Jay, I think everyday weekday we should have a “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”. If we did today would be Michael Long’s day.

By McCainisaliar

September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

But if McCain will lie (or tolerate lies in his name) merely to get into office, what makes anyone think he’s going to stop once he gets there? Jay, I think everyday weekday we should have a “THOUGHT FOR THE DAY”. If we did today would be Michael Long’s day.

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Link to this

By Tim Wise 15/09/08 “ZSpace” — - For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

* White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay. * White privilege is when you can call yourself a "f@#%&n' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their f@#%&n' a*," and talk about how you like to "shoot s@%t" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action. White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all p** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office—since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s—while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals. White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you. White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you’re black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this

White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do—like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor—and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college—you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist. White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt. White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.

By David Hart

September 15, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

* White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
  • White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.

  • And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.

White privilege is, in short, the problem.

Tim Wise is the author of White Like Me (Soft Skull, 2005, revised 2008), and of Speaking Treason Fluently, publishing this month, also by Soft Skull. For review copies or interview requests, please reply to publicity@softskull.com

By Frederick Douglass

September 16, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

David Hart, 95% of the right wing bloggers here can’t grasp what you’ve said, and the other 5% are mindless drones.

By yossi

September 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

He can only do it if he taxes the top 10% of water users hehe : - )

By Kerry

September 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Pardon my innocence, naivete, maybe stupidity, I don’t know, but why do I keep wishing that that two men, both of them accomplished, both long-tenured politicians, both supposedly with sterling histories of public service that should speak for themselves (or at least are fact-checkable and researchable - should we care to look back at them)could just simply rely on the truth about themselves, their records and accomplishments, as well as their plans and programs for changing this country for the better, rather than expecting us to make our decision based on the best despursions cast or the least “untrue” lies told about the other. I can’t stand this crap any more. Let’s change the rules and say that the first one to change directions and base the rest of their campaign on the truth and a realistic, justifyable, intelligent platform for changing this country back to what we all know it can be - wins. This ridiculous mud-slining contest serves to do nothing but degrade the both of them. Certainly McCane is the worse of the two, but Obama has let himself waste way too much time and too many words stooping down to engage the other two (particularly Palin) with and end result of simply wasting our time and his precious few days left before the election. Please let them stop this childish, lie-filled bickering. We’re smarter than just a bunch of wrestlemania fans believing all we see in the ring. I expect more, even if I am naieve.

By Bilbous Boob

September 21, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

You’re not so much naieve as you are a ninny, sir.

By Rocco Pedestrian

September 27, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

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