Jay Bookman

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

It would appear that way. And…?

Somehow I think it’s still a better option than the guy (Obama) that wants a baby that survives an abortion to be tossed in a soiled material closet until the baby dies.

I just wish we could get rid of Roe v Wade and get back to deciding state laws in state legislatures.

By GOPs got to go

September 13, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately McCain has shown me he will do anything to get elected, including choosing a rather poorly educated Hose Head with extremist few points.

What’s the difference between a pitt bull and a hockey mom? One will just rip your throat out, the other one will take away your rights as a woman.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this

Taking the low road now, Jay?

Considering, of course, that Oblahma would allow the slaughter of a full term infant in the mother’s womb and, if said infant should survive having a hole drilled in it’s head, he would leave it to die a slow, torturous death.

What a great guy, eh?

Are we comparing apples to oranges or what?

By GOPs got to go

September 13, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this

RW and Management,

Talk to me when it is YOUR uterus.

By Gayle

September 13, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

You’re absolutely correct, Jay.

If McCain believes life begins at conception, then he should have no consideration for rape or incest. Those lives begin at conception as well.

Palin should have no exception for the mother’s life. That life the woman is carrying began at conception also.

I am pro-choice, but I have much more respect for the opinion that many hold, that life begins at conception, no exceptions.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

RW and Management, Talk to me when it is YOUR uterus.

Is that from the same liberal wingnut kook who loves Wooten’s blog being run amok by liberal Dimocrats?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

GOPs Got This Wrapped Up: Oh yeah, I forgot that lib men don’t involve themselves in parental responsibility like us Cons do.

They just love ya and leave ya, don’t they?

And you can’t help yourself, can you?

But who really cares if it is just some kid getting ripped limb from limb, huh?

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

I am pro-choice,

Gayle, perhaps you can be of persuation to the liberal wingnuts here who feel that Palin FORCED her daughter to have a child.

In the 1800s, a 25-year old was an Old Maid.

I cannot fathom what this nation would be today if it were run by today’s candyassed liberals back in the 1700s and 1800s - (or 1941 for that matter).

It WOULDN’T be where it were today…

By lisa

September 13, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why Christians don’t see that they use this issue to extort the Christian vote… Bush did the same thing. MCcain believes the same thing Obama does that we need to do anything we can to minimize abortion. Youtube it and hear it in his own words . He does not think Roe vs Wade needs to be overturned. What about all those women that try in vitro fertilization? They are killing human eggs. A woman having her period is disposing viable eggs. I believe as God breathed life into Adam..when a baby takes his first breath a soul lives… This is a non issue because they are only using it to get the Christian vote…… Regardless of what I believe. The Bible say’s : Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. I see a White fluffy sheep with a Cheney Grin….

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

G’sgtg,

Do you have a list of laws/topics that only men can discuss? Blacks? Whites?

Besides I don’t think anybody took their uterus into the utility closet to die with the live baby.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

I see a White fluffy sheep with a Cheney Grin….

Lisa, sweets, I cannot TELL you how forward I am looking to you liberals shutting up over BUSH, CHENEY, and ROVE.

By T

September 13, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

This is a tricky subject. In the book Freak o nomics it stated that the dramatic decrease in violent crime was due to the Roe vs Wade decision. Creepy, but it might be true. Less unwanted children raised in an atmosphere that genorates criminals.

I find it amusing that the right is so passionate about this issue. Yet, they are equally passionate about ending government funded programs to feed and educate those kept children.

By RW-(the original) This is a mans issue also. The father should also have a say in what happens to his potential child. However, with that voice, should also come the responsibility that follows. (well, darn if that were so I don’t think this would be up for debate)

By sunshine and thunder

September 13, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

LISA WROTE:

• This is a non issue because they are only using it to get the Christian vote…*

Yeah. Kinda like the way democRATs use government handouts to buy votes. You know where they get those handouts, don’t you? From me.

__

“There is no crisis there”. Barney Frank (D) on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

I believe as God breathed life into Adam..when a baby takes his first breath a soul lives

Yet I’d be willing to bet that Lisa is an Obama supporter and Obama doesn’t care how long that living soul breathes as long as the intent to kill it is carried out.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 7:50 PM | Link to this

T,

Take it up with Gop’s got to go. She’s the one that decided to take Jay’s (not usually a female name) topic and put it off limits to men. Somehow I think men that agree with her can talk about it all day, but that’s the first impulse of liberals. Try to silence the opposition because it’s much easier than debating.

Just for the record, my children are grown and I raised them both as a single father. So I think I know a little about my responsibility.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

You did not mis anything, Jay. McCain is still the confused panderer he has been for many years — just older now with fewer functioning brain cells. Come to think of it, that probably makes him a better maverick now than before. There’s just no telling what to expect from him — the maverick with a mission.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

JAY

You are very much logically correct on this one which is why McCain was never my first choice. However, sometimes it boils down to a matter of degree in who to vote for.

You may remember the wonderful African-American lady by the name of Ethel Waters who used to sing at all the Billy Graham Crusades. If my memory serves me correctly, she talked about being the product of incest but of course she was very pro-life based on how God had used her.

My prayer is that someday we will right this terrible wrong as we did slavery.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw …….. Equal Rights for Unborn Women.

By Southern Raised

September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

If you are pro-life, then you should be against capital punishment and against war in all its forms. Plain and simple.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

To RW

So if a baby breaths its first breath of oxygen it then becomes a soul (even though it can smell, taste, see, feel and hear in the womb plus the brain waves)?

Is the oxygen the mother supplies through her body not from the same source?

If you truly believe God create Adam then he (Adam) was never a baby and the breath God gave him was his first taste of oxygen …….

Your logic totally escapes me.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

There is not a week that goes by that I do not regret loosing a son/daughter from an abortion that happened in 1978. Would be about 30 now. Most of us think that our children are our greatest accomplishment and our connection with them makes our lives a little more complete. Although we want to keep the government out of our bedrooms, we have to take a little more responsibility for what we do. Lives depend on it.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 8:19 PM | Link to this

Equal rights for unborn women. Well, that covers the [better] half of the unborn, statistically speaking.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

And yet they giddily cheer on the blowing up of innocent human babies and human beings.

To me, this makes their abortion argument a losing argument.

If you are going to be pro life, be anti war and pro science to cure cancer.

The death penalty is not pro life, allowing humans to drown in New Orleans is not pro life. Allowing folks to starve is not pro life, dumping patients on the streets is not pro life etc…

wingnuts are selective in their pro life argument. 10 % pro life and 90% pro death.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

RW: Although we want to keep the government out of our bedrooms

Near as I can tell, the religious nuts want to enforce their skewed morality by using government to control women’s bodies. Not a very “conservative small government” position, more like fascism.

That said, as we argued yesterday, Southern Raised at 8:17 is dead on with the most logical position. You either feel all life is for God to create and destroy OR you feel that life is for man to decide whether to create/destroy OR you take the illogical position that some lives are more worthy of God’s protection.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

Corporal,

When I use italics I’m quoting someone else, in this case Lisa @ 7:13.

My point was that’s SHE’S provided what SHE believes is the point where life begins and that Obama thinks is above his pay grade, but SHE apparently has no problem that Obama would leave what SHE has defined as an ensouled life to die in a closet full of soiled materials.

If you’re going to be so quick to lash out, at least try to have your facts straight on whose position you’re attacking. It usually takes idiot liberals to twist my words that badly.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

For Republicans, the pro-life statement is simply pandering to keep a block of voters appeased. This topic is no different than chanting drill, drill, drill for a Republican nearing an election — they’re for saying whatever gets them a vote. It doesn’t even have to resemble truth.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

ByteMe @ 8:24,

Are you and the Corporal out drinking somewhere together? He at least had the excuse that the claim he made was actually in a comment of mine and somehow missed that I was quoting someone else. You seem to making up quotes of mine out of whole cloth, although Ray seems to have said what you quoted.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

If you are pro-life, then you should be against capital punishment and against war in all its forms. Plain and simple.

Blah, blah, blah, mindless liberal thought, living in a cartoon world.

I figure there are two reasons that liberals do not want to distinguish between good and evil, #1- they will wind up realizing they are evil, #2- they will wind up realizing the only “good” answer for evil is to be rid of it.

Sticky situation, ain’t it?

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Link to this

ARGH! Not drinking. Just tired. Yes, that was Ray’s comment, not yours. Sorry.

By Jennifer

September 13, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

It’s strange how a large number of people don’t believe in abortion but they don’t believe in welfare either. So bring them into the world and then let them starve to death.

How is that pro-life?

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this

They agreed that Roe vs Wade will not be changed and agreed to try to limit the number of abortions.

Abstinence is ridiculous because you can’t change human nature but you can teach birth control.

Palin should have taught her daughter and bought her some condoms or the pill.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

By Jennifer September 13, 2008 8:43 PM It’s strange how a large number of people don’t believe in abortion but they don’t believe in welfare either. So bring them into the world and then let them starve to death.

Your thinking of socialist China, hon.

Perhaps you’d like to share with us all the starving babies in the U.S. considering the last I heard from you libs they were all obese.

Make up your mind, kook.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

Jennifer, Are we to assume that we are free to do whatever we want, the consequences be damned? When does responsibility take a role in our actions? Are we free to create a life by our mistakes and then take that life because we screwed up? I don’t want someone else telling me what to do either, but when does it become necessary to take responsibility for what we do?

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Republicans are not in favor of allowing everyone (even all innocent ones) the freedom to live. They are for making statements that they are against abortion unless they’re not against it — depending on which derivation yields the most votes. That’s called pandering. It’s just a cheap game that the Republicans use on voters.

By Dave C.

September 13, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management,

Admit it, you’re whupped. Southern Raised said it like it is. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Thou shalt not kill - 6th Commandment in the Bible.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

If you are going to be pro life, be anti war..

That would be a valid argument getalife. Except that the unborn don’t’ start wars and blow themselves up killing innocents and fly airliners into buildings at 500 MPH killing innocents…

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

What a load this argument is becoming. If you moonbat(ic)s® are anti capital punishment and anti war in all cases how can you make the claim to be pro abortion? Is it only proper to take innocent life?

In fact, how can you make the case that anyone can even be imprisoned?

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Oh, and one other thing: since when did liberals care more for those who want to destroy our entire Western civilization (Gitmo apologists) than those who are unborn and have their heads sawed off?

Oh wait…

By Jennifer

September 13, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

It’s simple, Ray and Management,

If you are pro-life, then you should get in line to adopt a couple of crack babies. Anyone who feels so strongly about abortion that they want laws to prevent it needs to get in line to adopt crack babies. No amount of laws against abortion are going to get rid of unwanted pregnancies. So if you feel that strongly, get in line. If you’re not willing to bear the burden you are going to put on society, then stop trying to force your ideals on everyone else.

For the record I have two very strong Christian friends who have adopted 2 and 3 crack babies, respectively. I maintain the highest respect for them as they are willing to accept the responsibility of their viewpoint.

Are you?

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

Logic?

We don’t need no stinking logic!

I believe that life begins at ensoulment (me and Thomas Aquinas)…and the mother is the only person on earth who can make that judgement.

McCain’s position on any issue is too flexible to be relied on.

I trust the judgement of the majority of American women. When men learn to maintain control over the disposition of their own gametes, they can then enjoin the discussion on womens.

Until then, butt out.

Y’all stayin’ up for SNL tonight….Obama appearance and maybe Tina Fey as Caribou Barbie. (She hasn’t had a real good weekend so far…)

Night all.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Dave C: It’s funny how a bunch of people that have no compunctions with slaughtering full term infants want to claim refuge in the Word of God.

You should read a little further into it then the Ten Commandments, perhaps you were prying a plaque off of a courthouse wall and found a handy phrase to justify your sicknesses, but I can show you many, many verses in the Good Book that command that evil not be tolerated.

Much as you libs love them, al Qaeda is evil. As much as you love to coddle them, cold blooded killers on death row are evil.

Unborn children are not evil.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

This is not a partisan issue, far from it. It is a very personal, difficult, heart rendering issue that goes past any political party. Get real. Does any mom who is presenting herself to an abortion clinic care whether or not she is a liberal or an conservative? The only thought on her mind is far from any political position. She is scared, guilt ridden, apprehensive and usually without a friend. Usually the father is not around. She is usually going with a friend or by herself. Pretty lonely place to be in. She is probably thinking about how she wished that things were different and how she would like to take back the last week or so but she can’t. The thought of someone aborting her child probably is foremost in her mind.
So get off the political bent. It just doesn’t fit.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

I agree Rufus, they are not pro life.

Personally, I think we could have ended that with justice in Tora Bora.

But you know the rest of that story.

Had to go blow up some Iraqi babies. Had to go back and blow up some Afghani babies. Now we will blow up some Pakistani babies and some Russian babies.

I know this excites you pro life folks.

By T

September 13, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Oh, no someone is out thumping people with their bible. If only there really was a separation of church and state.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this

To Getalife Wingnuts

Then by your answer I can assume you are fully pro-life in all of those examples. Good for you.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

With all the destruction in Texas, is Obama really foolish enough to make that SNL appearance?

ByteMe,

Apology accepted. It took you 6 minutes to man up, but the Corporal still hasn’t.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 9:18 PM | Link to this

Ray,

The gop makes it a political and divisive issue to win elections.

Get real Ray.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

I’m no preacher, but even the freaking Bible differentiates between MURDER and killing for war.

And I’m done on this topic…

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

By Jennifer September 13, 2008 9:06 PM For the record I have two very strong Christian friends who have adopted 2 and 3 crack babies, respectively. I maintain the highest respect for them as they are willing to accept the responsibility of their viewpoint. Are you?

Yes, Jennifer, in your small, little paranoid world those who protect innocent life let off steam by stomping on crack babies and water boarding the first Japanese tourist they come across, haha.

I know one thing for sure, I do a lot more for unwanted children then Hair Plug’s and Oblahma do combined.

And nobody has to force me.

And, I don’t do it with other people’s money.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

To RW

Good grief. Don’t take it so personal. No one even knows who you are. If the shoe fits wear it !!

To Ms. Godzilla

If the mothers are the only ones who knows when ensoulment occurs then it must be at the same stage of gestation for all - so when is it?

P.S. I noticed you used the term mother instead of fetus holder.

Where there is a mother guess what? There is a baby!

By Shelley R

September 13, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

I know one thing for sure.

If Senator Obama and his wife Michelle trotted out a pregnant, teenage, UNMARRIED daughter, there would not be the warm and fuzzy feeling like there is among some of you about Palin and her daughter.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

I believe in birth control unless you want children.

Is that pro life?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

Corporal

Who cares if anybody knows who I am? You completely misrepresented my position in all your stupid looking bold letters and you’re not man enough to admit it.

God what a moron.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Ray,

Republicans bring this issue up in order to get votes. Why not deal with the issue every day and accept that every single pregnancy represents an opportunity to save a life and options such as condoms may prevent a scenario where a life might be lost. The solution will not be found on any given election day or within attempted legislation to ban abortions. You will not mandate that there will be no abortions — you know it and I know it and most other people know it. Take steps that will actually save lives and tell your Republican politicians to quit pandering. It’s so unbecoming.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

If Senator Obama and his wife Michelle trotted out a pregnant… blah blah

Shelley R:

If this, IF that, yadda yadda. IF we could actually LEARN who the Obamas truly are, then you may have a point. To this day, we don’t know who either individual REALLY is. The liberal media WILL. NOT. TOUCH them.

Save that Obama comparison for when the REAL truth gets out on him. AND her. You liberals don’t like talking about that Church of Hate thingie, that’s for damned sure.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

I prefer birth control over abortion for some of the most obvious reasons.

If you cannot control yourself then put a sock on it, geez.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

RW,

I think the private is on your team and claime to be a Marine not a moron.

By Jennifer

September 13, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Management,

You are clearly not ready to accept responsibility for your viewpoint. I’m not surprised.

Ray, how about you?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Rufus,

Not to mention that the Obama’s kids are 11 and 7. If they suddenly trot out a pregnant teenage daughter it’s going to raise more than a few questions.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: Corp may think he is a Conservative but the other day he was arguing on behalf of Hanoi Jane and Bill Klintoon over North Vietnamese “supremacy.”

The dude has got some issues.

By TW

September 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this

Uh, oh. Looks like McSame has given the go ahead wink for his Swiftboat Klan to commence with their style of lynching.

God I miss the days when the Republicans were men.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

Jennifer, I still think that most everyone is pro life. We are a society that believes that life has a special purpose and that those that create it have a responsibility to live it through. When we think that we are not responsible for the lives that we create, we are a society with a special problem. Do you think that you are free in our society to go out and create life in your body and then when it is not wanted, just eliminate it without a thought? Do you think that every time you spread your legs that the results of the union are just not your fault or not your concern? If so, my friend, I pity you and all of you that feel that your actions justify your position.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

Jennifer: I do not blame you for not wanting to debate me on this issue but I need one more clarification before you cut and run.

Are you happy that you lived?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

getalife,

He might tend to vote the same way I do, but he’s still a moron. You and I know each other well enough to know that we don’t agree on much, if anything, politically, but we’d be running buddies if we ever showed up in the same town together. I would never tolerate someone as thick headed as the private no matter his political leanings.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

Divide and conquer Andy.

Divide and conquer.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

I just can’t wait to see the Republicans write that legislation against abortion and then follow through with enforcing it. It will make prohibition look like a Republican’s play time with their Palin dolls. How shall it go:

Though shalt not commit abortion under penalty of death or under penalty of an un-aborted pregnancy or under penalty of death of the father or imprisonment of one or both parents or their parents if they are under age. This would indeed be interesting. Then again, I doubt that any Republicans have really thought that far ahead. That’s not the goal when one is pandering.

By Shelley R

September 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

Rufus,

Touched a nerve, didn’t I, Chief?

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

As I’ve said before: death is death. You can wrap it in your own little justifications and rationalizations, but it comes down to death is death. Doesn’t matter how it happens.

If you’re pro-war and pro-death penalty, you are not pro-life. If you’re anti-war and anti-death penalty and anti-abortion, you can truly claim the mantle of pro-life and I commend your position.

If you’re ok with war and ok with death penalty, then the only reason to supposedly “protect” fetuses is because you really want to punish women for having sex. People who take this position don’t really give a damn about the fetus, because they would be adopting them as fast as the babies pop out if they did and — absent that — they would be fine with the state paying full care costs for the child to ensure it gets a decent chance at becoming a productive member of society.

But they don’t, of course. They’re more into punishing the woman who had the baby than protecting the baby once it’s born.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

There a very few Republicans that want to write a federal law outlawing abortions, although I’m sure there are some zealots, but those zealots are hardly Republicans that I would support because I want to get back to where the federal government doesn’t have anything to do with state by state law making. Overturning Roe v Wade wouldn’t outlaw abortion. That’s a red herring your side uses to demagogue this issue and then you make believe we want to write some new federal law governing the matter.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

Byte me,

We don’t kill people in wars because they are unborn children. We don’t execute ax murderers because they are a lover’s mistake. Equating a pro-war or a pro-death penalty stance to abortion is a pretty far stretch.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

BiteMe: Maybe this is over your pay grade but if abortions were illegal than only criminals would have abortions, haha.

Really, it’s like it is an all or nothing game, maybe we just want to reduce the killing as much as we can, same as when we want to kill al Qaeda.

Can you not understand this?

When Saddam Hussein was dictatoring over Iraq, Iraqis were dying on an average of about 150,000 a year, we never even approached that number in any of the last five years.

How hard can this be to figure out?

By Jennifer

September 13, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

Ray,

You are not ready to accept the responsibility of your veiwpoint either. As with Management, I’m not surprised.

If, in the future, either of you do decide to undertake this honorable challenge, please let us know. I, for one, like surprises.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

RW,

After being banned by many blogs on the left and right, I think I am in favor of the middle and compromise. Independent and proud of it.

Both sides have their morons.

BTW, I think Obama canceled SNL.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 13, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Jennifer: Oblahma was abandoned as a child.

And he seems to have “made it.”

But you go ahead on and sit in judgment of which innocent lives are deemed worthy of living and which aren’t.

I think I’ll just keep calling it the “gift of life” if you don’t mind.

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this

Going back to a state-by-state approach has its own tough problems, one of which become federal problems.

As I think most of us will agree: this is a problem that’s not going to be solved by creating more laws and punishing people. Abortions happened before Roe v. Wade and they’ll happen after. Better to focus efforts on things that work to prevent unwanted pregnancies… like education and birth control.

By Taxpayer

September 13, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Rw,

I don’t know what side is “your side” that you refer to. I’m merely stating a concern about where this whole proclamation by Republicans of “I’m pro-life” or comparable statements during an election is supposed to take us, especially the voters that they are obviously pandering to. Tell me, what would the action items consist of if the Republicans had complete control of the legislative and executive branches of government yet again. If that’s not enough, then what if they had the Supremes as well. What would the end result be? Describe the laws and the punishments and the enforcements.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

Touched a nerve, didn’t I, Chief?

Shelly R:

You’ll know when you touch a nerve of mine. Trust me on that one, Obamaniac.

The day we learn ALL there is to know about Barack and Michelle is the day I vote Dimocrat. You insane liberal busybodies are too focused on digging up stuff on Palin and her husband - not that it going to help you mindless liberal hysterics much…

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I’m sure he did, but Mrs. G doesn’t stay nearly as informed as she thinks she does so I had to throw the jab.

I tried to get you reinstated at some righty blogs to no avail, but I’ve got no more use for right wingers that are scared to debate the other side than I do for left wingers.

I’m in no way a centrist, but I’d much rather debate with the other side than live in an echo chamber.

By Jason

September 13, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

-If Senator Obama and his wife Michelle trotted out a pregnant, teenage, UNMARRIED daughter, there would not be the warm and fuzzy feeling like there is among some of you about Palin and her daughter.-

I couldn’t have said it better myself, Shelley R, thank you.

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 13, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

TO THE CORPORAL

I must disgree. Viamently.

Just as every human being is unique, so is ensoulment. Try pregnancy, it’s easy when you’ve had experience.

And you get great hair and nails.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this

although I’m sure there are some zealots, but those zealots are hardly Republicans that I would support because I want to get back to where the federal government doesn’t have anything to do with state by state law making.

Gee RW, you sound just like our Founding Fathers. Today, mindless pansies (liberals) want the federal government to own ALL authority in this great nation.

Dude, where have you been? Get up to speed with the modern liberal times and make like Barack Obama where federal “government will be cool again.”

By ByteMe

September 13, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

Ray: We don’t kill people in wars because they are unborn children. We don’t execute ax murderers because they are a lover’s mistake. Equating a pro-war or a pro-death penalty stance to abortion is a pretty far stretch.

Not really. Death is death. The story you make up about it is a rationalization. Either you are ok killing people or you’re not. If you’re ok killing people, but not killing fetuses, then that’s just your rationalization. And that’s fine, but at least accept that it’s your rationalization. Do you really think God is ok with you killing people but not fetuses?

Lots of countries deal effectively with axe murderers without killing them.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

True.

These words will get you banned at lefty blogs.

I support Hillary Clinton.

These words will get you banned on righty blogs.

w is the worst president ever.

This cycle has been a blast.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

I would get the federal government out of it completely. If we are truly a united group of self governing states then the feds have no place in this.

By MH

September 13, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Shelley R touched a nerve, Rufus, go ahead and admit it. You’ve resorted to name-calling now, tsk tsk. Shame on you. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

To RW

You’ve hurt my feelings. I’ll have trouble sleeping tonight. YAWN.

To Ms. Godzilla

Try being drafted during Vietnam and having the government control your Body not for 9 months but for 2 years and they send you to a place you don’t want to go where other men try to kill you. And guess what - the Supreme Court ruled that was Constitutional right about the same time they gave you women a free pass and allowed you to kill your unborn.

Some logic in that …………..

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

Do you really think God is ok with you killing people but not fetuses?

Byte, that’s a good question. By the same token, how do you think God feels about John Q. Homeowner shooting and killing an intruder who wished his family harm or death?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I think you could have survived LGF a little a little longer with a name other than Joe Wilson. You’re not posting as alphie at Hot Air are you? They’ve put up with him for a really long time.

By Ray

September 13, 2008 10:32 PM | Link to this

Byte me,

Tell me that the next time some one comes through your bedroom door with a gun in his hand. Some people are just better off dead. Ted Bundy, OBL, Timothy McVeigh… the list goes on. What are you going to do, charm them to death? They are not unborn children. You are comparing apples and bananas.

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Corporal*

If you can’t go back and see what a fool you made of yourself then I’m sure you have no trouble sleeping. Ignorance is easy.

By Rufus

September 13, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this

Anyone seen all those “Nobama” stickers on cars around metro Atlanta?

Heh. Change. It’s a comin’ alright.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Link to this

No Hot Air RW,

I think Charles sent the word out to all Pajama media.

My latest was at No Quarter when I told Larry to stop using the Clintons to support McCain.

They still say it is a pro Hillary site but it is gop. Of course, the world famous “whitey tape” never showed up so I commented on that fact. Charles was right about that one and he does not like Palin for her creationist views.

By lisa

September 13, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

I don’t claim to know when life begins …That is God only God… I was only stating an example. . I don’t know anymore than you, only God knows… Personally…I don’t believe in abortion…But I do believe that that is between a woman and God. It is a sin just like adultery, greed and using the Lords name in vain. There are no degrees of sin… These are personal, moral issues that have no place in our election In my heart I believe that our aborted children are waiting for us in heaven…. It’s heartbreaking ……Almost as heartbreaking as losing a child you have raised grown to love and lost in a war that has nothing to do with Americans freedom. What people don’t understand is death is not a bad thing to God. It brings his children home to him. What I am so against is the Republicans using the abortion issue to extort the Christian vote. Obama and McCain have the exact same views on abortion… McCain does not want to overturn Roe vs Wade anymore than Obama…. You tube it and hear it in McCain’s own words…, He is using this wedge issue to get the Christian vote. When you look at a vote vou need to look at the attachment…The vote you are talking about was a facade to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Outlawing abortion would not stop it anymore than outlawing alcohol. Obama wants to minimize abortion. He is for abstinence, sex education, helping teens who decide to keep their children . McCain has voted against teen pregnancy programs. Palin herself said she opposes funding sexual-education programs in Alaska. Which idea’s do you really think will save more lives? Like I said a wolf in sheep’s clothing with a Cheney grin.. And Rufus…..01.20.09….

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 13, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Corporal

Thank you for your service. Mr. G spent a special Christmas years ago thundering out of helicopters. I understand as much as a loving spouse can.

Are you saying it isn’t fair that a woman has the right to choose what goes on in her own uterus because it wasn’t fair that you had to go to Vietnam?

Who told you life was fair?

By RW-(the original)

September 13, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

getalfe,

Charles is turning his site into Darwiniac posts and computer geek posts. It’s been strange to watch.

By getalife wingnuts

September 13, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

I know, it is strange but the lizards love that site. They hardly disagree on anything. He did put up with my dissent for a while with that name so I give him credit. Hard core pro Israel over there.

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

To RW ……… YAWN

To Mrs. Godzilla

1) A woman does have the right to say what goes on in her uterus ….. meaning whether or not to get pregnant. Once another human life is involed my viewpoint changes!

2) Our country is founded on the rule of law and one of our Amendments even states there will be “equal protection under the law”. Therefore, it was totally inconsistent for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule that a woman had the right to control what went on in her body (a baby) without “state interference” but a man didn’t have the right to control what went on in his body (bullets).

P.S. The U.S. Supreme Court, in the years since, has ruled that woman cannot be drafted.

You can argue it’s “apples and oranges” but one (the draft) is worse than the other for the simple reason that 25% of the names on the Vietnam Wall were draftees.

3) Tell “Mr. G.” I said Semper Fi

“The Corporal” 3rd Marines, Scout-Sniper Platoon Vietnam - DMZ (1967-68)

By "The Corporal"

September 13, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

P.S. to Mrs. Godzilla

You are so right that “life is not fair” but our Constitution is supposed to be.

By J$

September 13, 2008 11:49 PM | Link to this

Geez why do you debate the abortion issue?

It doesn’t really matter who believes in what…

Fact is, abortion will always happen, but it doesn’t have to come from, federal gov. $$

By Jessica

September 13, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

OMG, Tina Fey nailed her!

By Midori

September 14, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

Rufus,

on the contrary.

however, I’ve seen numerous Obama yard signs, in ALL sorts of neighborhoods.

By RA

September 14, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this

however, I’ve seen numerous Obama yard signs, in ALL sorts of neighborhoods.<

Me too.

By Melissa C

September 14, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

I talked to my mom and dad tonight, who live near Anchorage, AK. They see a lot of Obama yard signs and bumper stickers up there.

By lovin' life

September 14, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

I see Obama bumper stickers and yard signs all around the Alpharetta area.

By Deborah

September 14, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Melissa C,

I have an aunt and uncle who live in Phoenix, AZ. They flew in this afternoon for a visit and said Obama bumper stickers and yard signs are everywhere out there.

By mesohorny

September 14, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

yeah, yeah, bumper stickers and yard signs.

yippee cay yaaa

By Steve T

September 14, 2008 12:48 AM | Link to this

Obama yard signs and bumper stickers are thick in Louisville, KY. Just got back from there today.

By Noreen

September 14, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

lovin’ life,

A lot of Obama bumper stickers and yard signs in Cobb also.

By BDAtlanta

September 14, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

Jay, Just sweep us bloggers away….again….you are a writer…

thanks!

By BDAtlanta

September 14, 2008 1:54 AM | Link to this

We got this…Big O …next President!

By september mornin'

September 14, 2008 3:08 AM | Link to this

Will they allow this one?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 14, 2008 6:47 AM | Link to this

By lovin’ life September 14, 2008 12:37 AM I see Obama bumper stickers and yard signs all around the Alpharetta area.

I’ve been all around Cobb Co. and Alpharetta and I haven’t seen ONE Oblahma bumper sticker or yard sign.

My Atl total for Oblahma stickers is the Midtown Volvo stopped at the green light while the driver was babbling on it’s cellphone.

By LSH

September 15, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

I had thought of this as well over the past few days. It is especially hypocritical given the Republican lies about Obama’s position on abortion.

www.enough2008.blogspot.com

By justme

September 15, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this

Pro-lifers want no abortion, but are pro-war. Pro-choicers want pro-CHOICE (not pro-DEATH), and aren’t nearly as “go war!” as the conservatives. So basically what this boils down to, is its not up to the woman what she does to her to body, as long as this baby is born, can grow up, go to war, and be killed then. The logic on both sides escapes me, but I definitely believe in a woman’s right to choose. It lessens the amount of “not-ready” mothers spending the rest of their lives on welfare.

By Rich Vaughn

September 15, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

GOD HIMSELF GAVE MEN AND WOMEN FREEDOM OF CHOICE. IF THE CHOICE IS TO HAVE SEX, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF PREGNANCY. ANY ADULT THAT I KNOW OF KNOWS THIS! THE BIBLE SAYS TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. IF PEOPLE ABSTAINED FROM SEX UNTIL THEY WERE MARRIED AND READY TO HAVE AND RAISE KIDS, THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUE. NOTE: IN THIS CORRUPT WORLD WE LIVE IN, I DO NOT SEE THIS HAPPENING, BUT, NEVERTHELESS, THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!

By bob saunders

September 16, 2008 2:40 AM | Link to this

It is my opinion that there are certain moral choices that citizens should be permitted to be deal with on their own. The government and society should stop diluting this issue by constantly spewing various reasons that abortion is good or bad. It should focus all of this diluted energy into informing the public with unbiased truths about abortion. I believe that an informed citizen is more likely to make just decisions than one that is expected to blindly follow a constant flux of cultural opinion and laws.

Imagine if Americans were as informed on abortion as they are on Obama and McCain’s tax policies. I bet there would be a lot less abortion. And those who still got them would know exactly what they were getting into.

By over 1/2 the nation

October 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! mcCain just got dissed!!!!! your pathetic, there’re right, mcCain and palin make no sense. how about you use your brain and think a little!!!

By Chels (15 btw)

November 9, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

Ok, everyone needs to stop thinkning that “god” creates life, because it doesn’t…living things do, and it should be a woman’s choice on whether or not she wants to have a baby or not.Ok, what if a woman was raped and got pregnant? I doubt she would want to have to go through all that suffering because of some jerk with no life and no respect for the opposite sex. You would feel that way too, right? So women should have the choice of having the baby(whith it as a constant reminder of her agony because of a low life jerk), or not going through that pain!!!