By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

Victory eludes us still, seven years later- Invasion of Iraq has served notion we want to conquer Islamic world, steal its oil.-Kookman, AJC/Jihad

I guess Bushie wasn’t lying to us, seven years ago, when he said this war could last for decades.

And what Bush and no one else could conceive of when this fight started, a fight not of our own making, that for seven long years, innocent Americans would not suffer again at the hands of Islamic terrorism.

That it it’s own is a victory.

Above all else.

By BDAtlanta

September 11, 2008 7:13 AM | Link to this

AJC, Of course terrorists aren’t going to attack us again while a Bush is in office. Bush and his team of underachievers is the best recruiting tool any terrorist organization has ever dreamed of.

BushCo keeps warm bodies lining up to join the ranks of the terrorists and keeps money pouring into the coffers of the the terrorist leaders.

Thanks, W.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

I guess McCain was right when he talked of being in Iraq for 100 years. Yep. One hundred years of fighting a war of our own, the Bush administration’s own, making.

By norman ravitch

September 11, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

Seven years, and the Democrats are no closer to winning the White House. Why? Their leaders have betrayed them. First they picked Obama to be keynoter in 2004 when he had not even been elected to the Senate. Why was an unknown thrust forward this way? I don’t know, I don’t want to think it was some sort of plot to put a black man out front. Then he has been nominated for president when it is clear to anyone not politically corrected that America is not ready for a black president. The Democrats have been betrayed and will lose, despite seven years of Republican blundering.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

It was easy, it was easy. I said the military operation would be easy. It was easy. We were greeted as liberators

By John McCain 1/10/07 to Tim Russert

If the Republican attempt to make us think we are living in Disneyland is successful, then the concept of a Mickey Mouse President wouldn’t seem to far fetched.

does not seem to

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 7:33 AM | Link to this

Wash Post catches McCain campaign lying about 9/11

Is “Tommy Flanagan” on McCain’s campaign staff?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

We’ll see lots of good articles today… here’s one.

Can Any Candidate Clean Up Bush’s Massive Post 9/11 Mess? The squandering of vast resources after 9/11 and our slide toward debt and dependency pose a greater threat to the U.S. than Osama bin Laden ever did.

Will it be possible 7 years after the fact to have these discussions without the right wing questioning our patriotism?

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla at 7:45,

Do you even need to ask.

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

Yes indeed, McCain keeps applying lipstick to the pig that is Iraq, our national debt, his environmental record….. the list could go on and on. No Osama bin Laden caught but we have killed Iraq’s leaders alright and managed to destabilize the Middle East. Our country is in hock for generations to come thanks to the stubbornness of the Bush Administration and the rest of the GOP war mongers.

Now is the perfect time to rid our nation of this 8 year nightmare. God forbid we have Miss Non-Congeniality in charge. Her family could arm a platoon from their personal cache. What a shame the first woman nominated from the GOP for the VP role is someone so polarizing. She can see only black and white on issue (sound familiar). We need a moderate in the White House, not an Evangelical Religious Nut.

By Charles

September 11, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

Seven years and a helluva lot safer here at home than if OwlGore had stolen the 2000 election!!!!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

You may be right, but I remain hopeful.

By Mike

September 11, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Yawn. Another summary of liberal group-thought. Every partisan hack in the country is writing the same article proclaiming that Bin Laden is victorious and that we have accomplished nothing over the past seven years. Fortunately, Americans have common sense and like Bookman’s pathetic attempt to label Westmoreland a racist, this transparently partisan dreck will also be ignored.

Did anyone ever have a doubt that Bookman would use 9/11 for a feeble and inconsistent partisan attack? As usual, we are not disappointed.

By Whiners

September 11, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this

I don’t feel any more safer than I did on Sep 10 2001. We’ll get hit again. It’s just a matter of time.

By JP

September 11, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this

I’m incredulous that today, September 11th, when we should be remebering the victims, Bookman would use today to launch a political attack. The invoking of McCain’s name in this article makes it so blatant it is undeniable.

Jay, why don’t you spend today, as I and so many others are, remembering the victims and celebrating the heros of 9/11. Tomorrow you can go back on the attack. Peace to you.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Charles,

Feel free to elaborate on that claim about how much safer we are. Our government has put this country square in the hands of China, Japan, Saudi Arabia and others, by borrowing more and more money from them in order to fund a crusade into Iraq in search of

1) WMDs? nope, none found… 2) Osama? Bush never even claimed, through actions, that the troops were searching for him (remember that deck of cards, it was all Sunnis at the top of the stack. No terrorists that were involved in 9/11.)… 3) Oil? I’m sure Bush and Cheney had their eyes on it but even that was a failed effort. China is getting oil and we are protecting their interests.

We can’t even get Bush to protect our food supply from the basics such as salmonella or toys made in China from lead paint….Precisely, what has Bush and the Republican administration done for us. Let me guess. There is

1) The tax cut that was funded by borrowing money from our futures and the Bush plan to pay it back — eliminate his own tax cuts,

2) The string of economic stimulus packages that he funded by borrowing and shifting more burden on to our futures (see Item one for the Bush payback plan),

3) The prescription drug plan that Bush has borrowed from our futures to pay for in order to insure the viability of our major drug companies (see Item one for payback plan)

4) The war in Iraq that Bush paid for with tens of thousands of innocent lives and hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars…

Of course, all the news is not so negative. Bush and Cheney have made many a millionaire and billionaire richer off of us. I’m sure those people are very grateful for the great job Bush and the Republican party have done and I feel confident that they are expressing their gratitude during this election cycle. Good job, boys.

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Bush is set to mark Sept 11 with a moment of silence, and a private reading of “MY PET GOAT” with Laura in their private residence.

By Peadawg

September 11, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

I say F U to everyone who uses today as anything else but to remember the victims of this tragic day and the fire fighters/police, etc. That includes you Jay, and everyone else who uses this day for politics.

By T

September 11, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

It would really be nice to see more troops sent to Afghanistan. Lets see if a troop surge in the right place can make a difference.

By ron

September 11, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Good morning Jay,

By Shawny

September 11, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

The dem congress is planning another economic stimulus package as we speak.

By hotlanta

September 11, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

I am sick of Guiliani talking about 9/11 has if he has a personal patent on it. He had the nerve to say that the Democrats didn’t mention 9/11 at their convention and that if Palin had been Governor doing that time he would have been proud to work with her. SICK!!!!!! Someone needs to call him out on that.

By hotlanta

September 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

I am sick of Guiliani talking about 9/11 has if he has a personal patent on it. He had the nerve to say that the Democrats didn’t mention 9/11 at their convention and that if Palin had been Governor doing that time he would have been proud to work with her. SICK!!!!!! Someone needs to call him out on that.

By marko

September 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

On 9 11 we were attacked by 14 Saudi nationals and a lone Eygptian. They were funded by arab oil money, trained in Afganistan, and taught to fly jets in the U.S. Given these facts, the only senseable path we could take was to invade Iraq, increase our dependence on foreign oil and promote religous intolerance in our own country. I’m not oblivious to the fact that Obama is one of the least experienced men to ever seek the office of president. I’m certainly disappointed in the guttless wonder democrats holding the house and senate. I can only assume they’re afraid they’ll make Sean Hannity upset if they were to do anything. It makes you wish you had a better choice, but John McCain is even more committed to Bush’s failed policies than Bush is. 80% of the American people strongly feel that America is moving in the wrong direction, and still It seems that half of us trust the very people that have been directing this train wreck for the last eight years to lead us out of the wilderness. Never underestimate the power of fear. Many Americans hate their jobs, but they keep punching the same old clock every day. They retain the use of their pitiful little paychecks , but they lose their chance for something better. Change takes courage.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

Jay,

(“Seven years after Sept. 11, America fights on, no closer to victory than the day this started”. As Iraq critics love to ask – define ‘victory.’

Leaving that aside, that ‘seven years’ statement is a bit hyperbolic. If you are referring to al Qaeda, look at the changes – internationally – in cooperation and controls with financial institutions as it affects the ability of Islamic fundamentalists to raise and move large sums of funds. Consider the difficulties compared to the US pre-9-11 in bringing people and supplies into the US to carry out a 9-11 type mission. Consider the ways in which intelligence is handled and the effect on striking the enemy. Those are elements of progress, without which the situation would be even more difficult.

But AQ is still an effective organization that has morphed, world-wide, into a more decentralized, cell-like organization which makes classical ‘defeat’ much more difficult.

Your second and third paragraphs: if we finally are hearing this from Admiral Mullen, makes one wonder about the competence of the past chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Is this a new situation? No. But if this was not the advice provided by Admiral Mullen’s predecessors, and the Chairman, JCS is the principal military advisor to the President, have the actions Pres Bush has taken been his ‘fault’?

I’ll hazard a guess as to what Afg might have been like if we’d not invaded Iraq: more US troops there, more security with the border with Pakistan, but not impregnability, while the same Pakistan sanctuary difficulties would remain. In fact, aggressive military incursion into Pakistan (we’d have had plenty of forces for that) could have resulted in a bloody debacle that could, frankly, have made Iraq seem tame by comparison. Think “Jihadist sympathizers in Pakistani intel, security and military services; coup, nuclear weapons; American base camps and large units in the tribal terrorities.” I bring this up to illustrate all the “if only we hadn’t invaded Iraq and concentrated on Afg” talk does not result solely in rosy outcomes.

[[bin Laden might not have escaped early in the war if we hadn’t held troops back for later deployment to Iraq.]] That is, I believe, one of the enduring myths. Troops ‘held back’ for deployment were not the issue. In the Tora Bora scenario, CENTCOM Commander General Franks refused the request of on-scene CIA personnel for a few hundred Rangers prevent bin Laden’s; Gen Franks had already hired Afg militias to secure the area. While this topic has been copied in numerous sources, here’s one – from an antiwar site, with citations. It does make the point “holding back troops for Iraq (over a year away) was not an issue.

Link: Bush’s Tora Bora Bull

The paragraph regarding ‘young officers now being taught’ is a compliment to Gen Petraeus and changes to Army operations embodied in the ‘surge.’ Army’s also changed fundamentally – Gen Petraeus was withdrawn from the theater to head the Army’s last general officer selection board. On past boards, colonels concentrating on counterinsurgency had little chance of promotion.

Now we’re back to “victory.” Your points about Islamic perceptions driven by American presence: I’m concerned neither candidate has elucidated the actions necessary to accomplish the ‘victory’ of which you write; in other words, that victory will come only with disengagement from the Middle East to take away that pillar of anger. Both candidates speak of being independent of foreign oil. McCain gave a speech in, I believe, Apr 2007 stating nonreliance on foreign oil would do away with our need to be ther – but has not followed up. Since then he has spoken of a Cold War model with bases in the region for decades. Obama has said nearly the same thing. As long as those conditions continue, we will continue to stoke Moslem hatred. A complete pullout from the region will force the Moslem world to confront their own sources of angst.

The only reference I’ve found for “McCain believes the war was necessary” were misreadings of his statements concerning “necessary to continue” while Obama and other Democrats were pressing for an immediate withdrawal. The targeting Iraq for invasion: from Think Progress: “Concluding the interview, McCain warned once again that Iraq was next. “The crunch time will be if – and emphasize if – we have to go after Iraq,” Seems the ‘if’ got lost. Is it any wonder Obama would not give even a speculative answer to O’Reilly’s questions concerning what he would to with Iran? Obama said to answer would be speculative, inappropriate, tipping one’s hand. Obama learned from McCain what happens to “what if “ statements.

“, “We cannot kill our way to victory.” But it’s a lesson that some have learned more quickly than others, and some haven’t learned at all.” ‘More troops in Afghanistan’ without a change in strategy sounds much like pre-surge Iraq. Obama’s and McCain’s call for more troops means we’ll be able to kill more jihadists. But as we ‘cannot kill our way to victory’ – what else do Obama or McCain have to offer?

By dd

September 11, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Some people see the bagel (no attacks in 7 years), some people see the hole (war drags on…..).

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Peadawg,

Why are you over here focusing your thoughts on politics?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

Guess that means we won’t hear anything else from Peadawg or JP today.

By CJ

September 11, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Hey Bookman, Would you mind telling the Powers that Be down at the AJC Editorial department that Wooten’s headline on AJC.com is even MORE inappropriate on 9/11 than it was yesterday? Thinking Right: ‘Barack the bomb-thrower’

By Tony

September 11, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Bush has kept us safe during his time as president and that’s good enough for me..The terrorist will have a field day if sambo gets elected.

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

By Peadawg

September 11, 2008 8:25 AM |

PEADAWG…Why not skip on over and blast WOOTEN for his blog today which is entitled

“Did Obama blow it in picking Biden?”

Sounds a little political to me..How about you?

By Remember???

September 11, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

You can scream about Pres. Bush all you want but this all really started when Jimmy (pi$$ like a puppy) Carter did nothing when the hostages were taken in Iran.

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

By Tony

September 11, 2008 8:52 AM

Tony, you say “Bush has kept us safe during his time as president.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Bush president on 9/11?

Oh, I know it was all Bill Clinton’s fault!

By Citizen of the World

September 11, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

We went after a non-traditional enemy with a traditional army and we’ve made a shambles out of this war and the lives of the Iraqi people.

Shortly after 9/11 I heard an analyst say we should go after terrorists using the same strategies the international community used against pirates back in the day to put an end to that form of terrorism. Of course, piracy was less ideological and more rapacious; still, it made sense to me.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

I guess some people thing that Bush was not president when 9/11 occurred. Well, maybe he was not being much of a president. Still isn’t.

By T

September 11, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Can someone explain to me just how Bush has kept us safe when a mass murderer is still loose. I don’t get it. No attacks in the US. HHMmm OK. So, Bin Laden said he was sorry and will never plan to do something like this again. Am I missing something? Sorry, I can’t wrap myself in the Bush security blanket.

By bearcasey

September 11, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

If “W” had been President after Pearl Harbor we would have invaded Argentina. The man is simply dumb.

By GMAN

September 11, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Damn Remember, you are a space cadet! And a blind one at that.

Bush/McCain - You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig!

By BDAtlanta

September 11, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

European and Mid-East countries used to get hit with suicide bombers all the time. Look at Germany in the 90s and England/Ireland in the 70’s/80’s/early 90’s.

One day of attacks and we pee our pants. Bin Laden’s plot worked beyond his wildest dreams. Get a grip, people.

Not only did we pee our pants, we allowed our leaders to use fear and lies to manipulate us and our media in order to get their way and put money in the pockets of their friends and associates in the military-industrial complex.

We’ve been “had” by the Republicans for too long. Time for a change.

Leaders can work to protect us, thus limiting fear. But our leaders have taken the path of dictators like Idi Amin who used fear against his own people. You don’t lead your people by making them more fearful. Does this look like the Sudan to you? Rwanda?

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Unfortunately in 2008 so many small minded Americans still can look at a Harvard educated, intelligent, and caring self made man and just see him as “sambo” because of the darker pigment of his skin. Incredible…….and unconscionable.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Hey Remember:

Remember what Ronald Reagan did when they bombed the Marines in Lebanon? Ran like a little baby, then took out his frustrations on little old Grenada.

And Tony, nice little “Sambo” remark there. I love it when you jerks let the mask slip so the rest of us can see the KKK mask beneath it.

And for those of you claiming to be “upset” at using 9/11 in a political context, I’m sure you were all tearing your hair out when the GOP convention featured slow-mo video of the planes crashing into the towers.

By Reality

September 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Thanks Tony, for reminding us once again of the mentality of people down here in Dixie Land.

By Truth

September 11, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

sooooo… you all think that we would be safer today if John Kerry would have won?

By tcoach

September 11, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

On a day when we should all unite as one and honor those lost it takes a slim like some of you to have to use this an attack on our soil to bolster your candidate. The same candidate who is so cocky and arrogant that he cannot even admit that he the great one was wrong in speaking so poorly of the surge. That is teh mark of a great leader a person who has the knowledge and maturity to say I was wrong now lets fix it. I know you are going to say well what about bush. He leaves office in like 4 1/2 months. I am sure all of you on here would have made so much better decisions if you were in his situation. I guess that is why you are on a blog and others are in power though. If you all hate the war i Iraq so much I guess you were completly ok to the genocide that was taking place under the rulers in Iraq. What is more some of you that protest the war in Iraq so harshly were the same people on blogs concerned for Georgia a couple of weeks ago. All of you are notheing more than armchair quaterbacks. It is real easy to make a decision after the facts are in. How many of you protested or organized any marches before the war in Iraq. If you did then congrats to you and you saw what others did not. To those of you who just sat around and complained shut up and do something. Promote your candidate, tell of great deeds done and of laws passed, or great decisions made. You sound like high schoolers gossiping about what you heard about the this person and that. Bookman we all know you want Obama to win, thats fine. But to make a political pitch on a day like today is disrespectful and repulsive to those who lost loved ones in the attacks and to the many who lost their lives. You my friend should be ashamed of your actions.

By All Hogwash

September 11, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

“but it’s safe to assume that things would be much better than they are today.”

“To assume is to make an a$$ out of you and of me.” But in this case, it only makes an a$$ out of Jay Bookman.

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

To quote a really great American, “We have nothing to fear but fear its self”

Say NO to the blatant use of fear mongoring done so well by the GOP and Bush/McCain/Palin

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Boy, you democRATs have perfect 20/20 hindsight. I wonder what you would have done to crucify George Bush had the WMD’s been more plentiful than those that were found. I can hear the squawks now, if Bush HAD NOT invaded Iraq and something went wrong the moonbats who were so bitter over the 2000 election would have been howling like dogs at the moon.

It was just a while back when so many democRATs were soooooo brave and ready to open up a can of whup-a$$. But no! The minute the war takes a wrong turn its PILE ON BUSH.

What a bunch of fair weather whiners.

“We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” —President Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998.

“[Saddam Hussein ] has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” — Madeleine Albright, secretary of state in the Clinton administration, November 10, 1999.

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” —Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, September 19, 2002.

“We know that [Saddam Hussein ] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country…. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” —Al Gore,

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” —Senator Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002.

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons….” —Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia,

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members…. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” —Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, now of New York, on October 10, 2002.

THERE ARE those who portray all these conspirators as just innocent victims of intelligence reports manipulated by the Bush administration and carefully fed to innocents like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and so many other Washington figures known for their simple naivete. Unfortunately for that theory, one bipartisan investigation after another into the collection and interpretation of pre-war intelligence has found no evidence of such manipulation.

If democRATs are so smart and George Bush is so dumb, how could Bush pull that off? LOL.

To quote the Senate Intelligence Committee’s unanimous report back in 2004, “The Committee did not find any evidence that Administration officials attempted to coerce, manipulate, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction capabilities.” The independent Robb-Silberman Committee reached similar conclusions. All these people must have been in on the conspiracy, too. Jay Rockefeller, then the ranking Democratic member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, signed on to the committee’s 2004 report but, almost as soon as it was out, began charging that the Bush administration had coerced, influenced or pressured analysts to reach the conclusions it had wanted. This is the same Jay Rockefeller who, on October 10, 2002, had declared: “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years….” Naturally the majority report out last week, just in time for the presidential campaign, felt no need to quote Senator Rockefeller’s earlier warning about the growing danger of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. The gigantic cover-up continues.

WHAT WE have here is a familiar historical pattern: If a war ends in victory, all the politicians favored it. But if difficulties are encountered, it turns out that many of these same politicians were never for the war in the first place. Or were fooled into supporting it. And what’s more, the war was the result of a deep, dark conspiracy: Franklin D. Roosevelt somehow maneuvered the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor; Lyndon Johnson conspired to expand the war in Vietnam; and naturally George W. Bush and his many co-conspirators manipulated the intelligence to get us into this war in Iraq.

Surely these members of the loyal opposition were acting in good faith when they warned of the growing danger from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. The question is whether they are acting in good faith now. And without good faith in debating the course of American policy in perilous times, divided we fall.

Are democRATs acting in good faith on this issue? Not NO but HELL NO!

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

You know I am still trying to wrap my head around the “sambo” comment.

I asked a friend that is highly pro-Bush and Republican about his stance on Palin. Of course he loved her, but then made a comment that I think is indicative of about 60% of the American minds. He said his father would never vote for a “N-word” end of story.

I am afraid that this sentiment is imbedded in many older American’s minds that grew up with Jim Crow.

By What???

September 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

“Seven years after Sept. 11, America fights on, no closer to victory than the day this started.”

There has NOT been another attack on American soil since — this is VICTORY!!!

Address the problem abroad before it reaches our borders —- this is on-going but is VICTORY!!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Hell, without the Brook Brothers Revolution in 2000 we would have had President Al Gore.

Having good sense he would have paid attention to the 8/6/01 PDB and maybe we would be celebrating having prevented the attacks today.

By Renny J. Caulder

September 11, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

The U.S. also had a difficult time trying to catch Pancho Villa in the early 1900’s.

Villa was, among many things, the caudillo who ran the Mexican state of Chihuahua, near the U.S. border. His rise in the Mexican military and later in politics are well chronicled. Unfortunately, in 1916 his bravado led to an ill-advised cross-border raid into the town of Columbus, New Mexico.

U.S. General John “Black Jack” Pershing was dispatched and attempted for over a year to find Villa but was ultimately unsuccessful. Villa later resurfaced in Mexico and continued in public life, but was assasinated in 1923 by unknown assailant(s).

Many Dems still think Villa should be pursued and wonder what happend to Cisco.

By What???

September 11, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

I forgot to qualify my first point —

There has NOT been another attack on American soil since (associated with Islamic extremists).

We NEED to continue our “battle” against domestic terrorism, i.e, eco/environmental and extreme animal rights (e.g., ALF)!!! These groups are a significant danger to our homeland security!!

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Tcoach,

You conveniently forget the propaganda fed to the American people by Cheney and the likes. “It’s a slam dunk”, “We KNOW for certain Saddam is planning a nuclear attack” Blah, blah, blah……..Then if you did raise your hand and say “Hey, wait a minute here” you were a blackballed, anti American traitor. Do you remember the Dixie Chicks? Valerie Plame?

History will tell and Bush and Cheney need to be investigated for lying to the American People.

By N-GA

September 11, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Personally I am certain that I am suffering as a result of terrorism.

If it weren’t for terrorism, bedwetting voters wouldn’t have re-elected Bush, the single most incompetent President the USA has ever had.

If it weren’t for terrorism, Congress wouldn’t have voted to support Bush’s trumped up attack on Iraq and its imaginary WMD’s.

If it weren’t for terrorism, world opinion of the Bush-led USA would consider the cure to be equally as bad as the illness.

Terrorism is similar to organized crime. In the neighborhoods of New York and Chicago, the criminals used fear and intimidation to control the local citizens. Terrorists use the same technique.

By Earl

September 11, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

This liberal rag that employs Cynthia Tucker cannot save the meltdown of the Obama campaign, it’s melting like a candle. This article is another impotent attempt to elevate Obama. It won’t work. One lady from Alaska sunk the Apollo Obama ship. By the way, did anyone see Tucker on Fox news? Man, without make up and anothers persons hair glued to her scalp, she looked like the lady that cleans my house. Seeing Cynthia the way she was made up, made me smell PineSol.

By BDAtlanta

September 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

How about the BushCo favorite term “imminent threat.”

Yeah, their tanks couldn’t stop a Toyota…..real scary.

Worst.President.Ever.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

September 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Bush doesn’t want to catch bin Laden! Years ago, George W. Hitler said he wasn’t concerned about catching bin Laden. You’d think he’d be priority number one but the overriding concern for our president was to attack Iraq and take over the oil fields there. The narrative you speak of is not a product of fiction, it’s real! McCain and the lipsticked pig are now talking about victory in Iraq. They’ve all but declared it. God help us all if McCain gets elected. Then it’s on to Iran. From there where? America always talks of wanting peace but it can not function without an enemy. For so many years, America had a reliable enemy in the USSR but then it collapsed under its own weight and we were cast adrift. We foundered and languished until Osama was created. We can not lose this enemy. Let’s hold onto him and embrace him with all our hatred. If he were to be discovered, in his hiding place in the basement of the Whitehouse, our economy would be devastated. What would Halliburton do? Blackwater? Let’s keep the economy strong and safe and Osama on the loose. By the way Jay, I predict that the next terrorist attack has been scheduled for mid-October. The Republinazis would benefit tremendously from it. Also, expect Osama’s endorsement of Obama to be broadcast in October as well. George W. Hitler’s speech writers are working on it now.

By Goldie

September 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

JAY— most Americans understand that we need to begin withdrawing from Iraq as soon as possible, even W has agreed to his own “time horizons.” Everyone seems to understand this, except McBush… he seems to think that staying in Iraq means “winning.”

McBush — bad judgment to this day.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Is this the article you are referring to in the New York Times?

9/11 Rumors That Become Conventional Wisdom

I read that article yesterday and it put many things into perspective for me, although things I have thought before, the article reaffirms those thoughts.

Reading some of the opinions of those in the Middle East is very troubling - especially after 7 years.

But then again, one only has to look at any international newspaper to gain some perspective at how the rest of the world thinks of America these days.

Maybe those cadets in War College will pay attention to their teachers.

By bubbatech02

September 11, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

You all can arge all you want, truth is…7 years, multiple attempts at attacks on american soil, none successful. and those are the ones we know about.

You want to know the real difference between a democrat and a republican. Here it is: when confronted with a gaping wound on a leg, the democrat will put bandages over it, wrap it up all nice and pretty, maybe even apologize to those around them for the trouble…hoping, and praying that somehow the wound heals on it own. that no infection will occur. hoping that something else takes care of the problem, and in the end, blaming someone else for their misfortune.

On the other hand, a republic would give a long bar of metal, heat it up in the fire, and cautherize the crap out of, pour painful antibiotic ointment on it, and treat it. painful, not pleasant, but it will be dealt with. taking the blame, and moving on.

that, my american friends, is the true difference between a republican and a democrat.

By T

September 11, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

*There has NOT been another attack on American soil since *

Great. A whole in our system was found and steps have been taken to fix it. Logical. Sorry, I still don’t get the warm and fuzzies. Bin Laden still breathes and laughs at us.

By Goldie

September 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

It’s a real shame that the Repugs keep trying to use the 9/11 attacks as another wedge issue for Americans.

Why don’t the Repugs just own up to the fact that they turned their heads when all the info said that “Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S.” and they chose to go on vacation instead of protecting America???

And where was Rudy when NYC needed him on September 10th? Where was his sense of “protecting America” when he chose to move his headquarters in the World Trade Center after the first bombing in 1993???

By Country Mouse

September 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

You got it, Sunshine! It is rare to read a posting on his blog that hits the nail on the head. Congratulations! Hope you are reading this, Jay. You might learn something.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Jay 9:10

followup: [[Remember what Ronald Reagan did when they bombed the Marines in Lebanon? Ran like a little baby,]]

Isn’t this what Democrats wanted Pres Bush to do in Iraq? Withdraw now?

By T

September 11, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Great. A hole in our system was found and steps have been taken to fix it. Logical. Sorry, I still don’t get the warm and fuzzies. Bin Laden still breathes and laughs at us.

By Swami Dave

September 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Actually Jay, the fact that the #1 issue among Americans in the midst of a war on two fronts is the economy is the surest sign of success that you can measure

It is informative that we no longer hear stories of failure and deaths from Iraq. Apparently, something is working there - namely: the “surge” much to the chagrin of Democrats who opposed it & said it would not work. Apparently, now the narrative has shifted back to Afganistan.

Personally, I suspect that on the off chance that Senator Obama -is- elected, we will begin to hear “new”, “amazing” human interest stories of all the “great successes” (both military & cultural) going on in Iraq. Much like you only hear stories about homelessness when Republicans are in office! Apparently, when Democrats are in charge there just isn’t enough time to produce and present those heart-wrenching stories of the suffering and downtrodden.

Kudos to both candidates for suspending their partisan campaigns out of respect in memory of those who have died (civilian & military) in this war against Islamo-facist jihadists. It is good to remember that our true enemies are those who choose violence over discussion in resolving differences.

-Swami Dave

By Goldie

September 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

I guess Rudy was comforted in knowing that what he did to “protect America” after the WTC attack in 1993, and up until Sept. 10, 2001 he could say “there hasn’t been another attack on American soil!” He had all the signs pointing to another attack whenever it was feasible for Al-Qaida, and he moved his headquarters right into the World Trade Center… dumb, dumb, DUMB.

Repugs — bad for securing America!

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

I think Luckovich’s cartoon is very powerful today.

Bush and bin Laden need each other. Bin Laden needs Bush’s war mongering to keep recruits up and Bush needs bin Laden as a tool for fear to keep the GOP in power.

By RealityKing

September 11, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

1) 26 million newly freed people living in a brand new Iraqi democracy! Wow!! Who would’ve thunk it..

2) No more Saddam Hussein and Sons. The world is a better place. And we can not let another arise in Iraq. Who will do that?

3) Worthless self-absorbed Old Europe, who were never up to aiding Afghanistan or anyone else! There’s no change there, and never will be.. We must plan to do everything ourselves. This is what happens when socialism consumes you.

4) Obama, who said just the other night that he would NOT send troops into Pakistan to get Osama. “I will apply more diplomatic pressure on Pakistan, and our European Allies to aid us in Afghanistan” As if he is the only one that can and just hasn’t had that opportunity thus far.(eyes rolling) What change will he bring? None!

Jay, you might want to slide right a bit if you want to still be around after the hammer comes down during next years mocking of the media’s biased political coverage. Especially if Palin wins.., I mean McCain. ;)

By Earl

September 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Hve any of you idiots seen or heard from Bin Laden lately? No. He is probably dead and getting rearend plowed by 70 bulldyke muslim virgins.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

(T)he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

—Hermann Goering, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

By Paul

September 11, 2008 9:50 AM

Paul, and who did the Iraqis BOMB?

By Goldie

September 11, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Withdraw now?

Paul @ 9:50 — so you still think that after a 6-year occupation of Iraq, withdrawing “now” means the same as “cut-n-run”? If so, what’s the cutoff time for not calling it “cut-n-run” anymore — only when the Repugs say it’s OK???

By BT fan

September 11, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

AJ Calhoun,, really a true American, are you going tp leave the country when McCain wins ? Hope so At least Bush could keep his pant zipped and did`nt have to point his finger with a blistering sex lie to American people..Maybe Iran?

By NotaAtlantafan

September 11, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Butman another fine article. You are a clown.

By GOP's got to go

September 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Folks, I’ve been off my meds for a while now and the ill effects are showing. I told you in my prior posts about a friend of mine who’s a Republican who stated that his father will never vote for a negro.

That is a lie. I don’t have any friends.

By RealityKing

September 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Just image how the makeup of the Middle East would change if Iran were to give up nuclear proliferation. Err.., or aquire nuclear bombs.

One of these is going to happen on the next presidents watch. And it will depend solely on which one we elect..

By Common Sense

September 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Love and peace to everyone!

Sometimes on this blog we seem to think we are not Americans!

Hey let’s not put to much blame on Mr. Bush or give the president so much say in the decision making process of keeping Americans safe!

First if any terrorists can do what they did they surely can do it again!

My concern is our CIA,FBI and intelligence agency. Regardless of who the president is they should always be on alert regarding terrorists.

I do not blame the Bush Adminstration I blame our terrorist intelligence agencies who were obviously sleeping at the wheel but have pick-up the pace to keep America safe.

Bush has not done anything special to keep us safe, our borders are still open and people can still sneak into America with-out anyone knowing. You can get around making cell phones calls!

So I thanks our terrorist intelligence for keeping us safe and may GOD bless you all!

By GOPs got to go

September 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

The truth hurts, and I have MANY friends, even those who differ politically from me.

Actual quote from 9/10/08 from GOP friend, “My father would never vote for a “N-Word”

By BT fan

September 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Jay, you and Cynthia are a one-sided editorial writers. When success occurs within conservative party bias, and prejudice accelerates your pens.. USA is winning in Iraq and troop withdrawal will be started by GWB. BHO complete withdrawal would be a disaster if he gets the opportunity.

By Analchord

September 11, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

911

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

On Morning Of 9/11 Attacks, McCain Immediately Began Making The Case For Iraq War

By Scooter

September 11, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

One thing is for sure - to rational people - Al-Qaeda’s ideology has been discredited in the heart of a region that historically enabled such ideologies to flourish, so long as that ideology was directed outward. Bush had the vision to turn that ideology against its enablers and this has forced Al-Qaeda farther into the outskirts of informed civilization. Not to mention this forced Al-Qaeda to fight on multiple fronts, distracting them from their prize target, US.

Osama Bin Laden is nothing more than a symbol of Jihad and turning him into a martyr will likely be counterproductive, it is his radical ideology we fight. You know, the one we discredited in Iraq?

By mm

September 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Sad how the wingnuts to this day cannot admit we were attacked under the watch of Bush and his handpicked security cronies.

All you hear is that we haven’t been attacked since 9/11.

We would not have been attacked at all if he had picked security people who actually knew what they were doing.

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror”. George W Bush, 09/06/06, CBS News interview.

Freudian slip? Or just stupid?

Just follow the bread crumbs to see how the Bush administration lied to Americans.

By zeke

September 11, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

And you nuts wonder why readership of the Atlanta Urinal & Constipation keeps falling! It is from the fact that everyone but Wooten are extreme left wing socialist and only spout to that agenda! The vast amjority of Americans support our righteous war on terror and are sickened by the constant banter from liberals that is for one purpose- to degrade Bush because he beat Gore and Kerry! Yes in every recount conceived by the democrats when they did not get the result they wanted, BUSH WON! Hopefully, even though he is not the ideal conservative republican candidate, McCain will win handily! We cannot survive the most drastic socialist attack on our country since FDR if Obama is elected! The answer to our regressive tax system is the “FAIR TAX” and making the government live with the revenues, no deficit spending except in case of war and national defense priorities! If someone is capable of working, no welfare or unemployment if there is a job available! The newspapers and internet employment sites are full of help wanted ads. If you sre healthy and do not work, you get no taxpayer money from welfare! The economy would flourish if the government would quit taking money from taxpayers and spending it on things like arts, memorials, changing names of places,paying people to stay unemployed, etc. Why should someone with no abition in life work at a job at say McDonald, Wendys for example for $7 or $8 per hour when they can get unemployment of up to $360 per week for sitting on their butts? And, they can get it for up to a year, and, the dems are wanting more! RIDICULOUS!!!

By RealityKing

September 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Nice facts Sunshine, ever thought of becoming a journalist? Hear tale that the AJC will have plenty of openings next year after being sold by Cox. If your interested..

By Dusty

September 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Well, Bookman’s first sentence is totally false. Why waste time on someone that lost in space? I won’t.

I shall remember 9/11 with great sadness and with the appreciation that it has not happened again to America.

The Dems’ flak to blame Bush has already started and will continue. They don’t mind “beatin’ up on America” and encouraging our enemies. (See bosch for example.)

Bye now. See you tomorrow if Bookman hasn’t decided the USA should surrender to the Taliban. Yuo never can tell.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Osama Doesn’t Hate Our Freedom: The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that “Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do.” Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It’s American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.

How is the United States threatening Muslim lands? The post-9/11 crackdowns on Muslim charities have effectively ended tithing, which is one of the five pillars of Islam; our casual denunciations of “jihad” sneer at a central tenet of the Muslim faith. America supports corrupt anti-Muslim governments in Uzbekistan and China, “apostate” governments in the Middle East, and the new Christian state of East Timor. And, above all, it continues to house occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

—Michael Scheuer, the former station chief of the CIA’s Osama Bin Laden task force

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

That article I posted earlier is the 2nd most emailed article at the New York Times right now.

By BDAtlanta

September 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Bubbatech1, I know another difference…it has to do with grammar and spelling…

By me

September 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Actually, we are much closer to victory. Although I didn’t think it would take this long to get Osama Bin Laden either. And, as another poster wrote earlier, not being attacked in the 7 years since 9/11 is a victory unto itself. America has much to be thankful for.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Tens of thousands of innocent people killed in the Bush war, at least a trillion dollars to be paid by the taxpayer for the war alone, no elimination of terrorists, no capture or death of bin Laden — the mastermind, an Iraqi government that wants us gone, the US military protecting Chinese oil interests in Iraq….

A list of atrocities wrought on this country by Bush and the Republican party thought should bring them shame and what do they have to say about it. They admit that the mess that we are in was brought on by corrupt Republicans in office, the good ole boys, and they want us to elect more Republicans to fix it. Well, these idiots still have between 20 and 30 percent of the population convinced of that so they must still be pretty convincing liars. Maybe some people, the loyal Republican base, were just meant to be suckers.

By mm

September 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

Zeke,

Welfare reform occurred under Clinton. Maybe you should update your reichwing cue card.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Many of us would argue the contrary case, that if the U.S. actually changed its foreign policies, seriously addressed legitimate grievances of Arabs and Muslims on the Palestine-Israel issue, and ceased its drive for political and economic domination over their areas of the world — the very grievances the commission acknowledges are widespread in the Muslim world — we could reduce the threat of terrorism against us in far less time. In addition, many of us believe that, unless the U.S. does change its foreign policies, the threat, and the actuality, of a heightened level of terrorism, and probably of nuclear warfare as well, against us and our allies will persist far longer than just decades. Given that fewer than 300 million people now reside in the U.S., whereas the rest of the world’s population, at 6 billion, is 20 times as large, American leaders today are playing an unwinnable hand and their drive for global domination is doomed beyond the very short term.

By JDE

September 11, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Typical Bookman; he throws up the white flag of surrender quickly. Most wimps do. He’s never met a conflict he didnt run from . Yes, he uses the 7th anniversary of a horrific attacks in which 3000+ Americans died to blame Bush. Typical liberal with selective memory. He blames Bush for not catching Osama Bin Laden, but fails to mention the fact that Bill Clinton had the opportunity to jail this killer but declined because he didn’t have enough evidence against OBL. Had Clinton been as diligent fighting terrorism as he was looking for his next BJ, then today would be just another day in September. Thats a fact. Clinton had the opportunity after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 to combat terrorism, but he didn’t. Instead they (Al Quaida) came back with a vengeance 8 years later only to take the whole buildings down. Clinton didnt even visit the WTC after the first attack. That should tell you how serious he was about it. But Jay Bookman has never ONCE brought this up in his writings. And the media isnt biased?

By CommunistAJC

September 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

JAY BOOKMAN, I”m so glad this country has people like you that remind us just why we need presidents like George Bush in office. How’s the job search going? I hear your paper is folding fast.

By Caleb

September 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Ya’ll need to watch something other than CNN more often… no elimination of terrorists? okay so bin ladin is a face… but seriously??? when was the last attack on the US? blame Bush for that

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

A very sad day for our country

obl is still celebrating and planning the next attack.

obl has won and changed our country forever.

By james todd

September 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

You can’t win a war when your President sends its army out to fight in SUVs (Humvees) which were unarmored. No body armor and most of all little no no support from allies. There are more than 40 countries with various terrorists organizations. Are you telling me that we’ll be sending troops to the 40 other countries to do as Palin says “God’s Work”? George Washington gave a warning to all future presidents. “Don’t get involved in foreign affairs, and if you do, don’t pick sides”.

By mm

September 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Why do wingnuts care more about what’s going on in other countries than what is going on in the US?

Distraction!!!!

Distraction from:

Rampant inflation Healthcare crisis Education meltdown Budget deficit National debt Oil addiction Gas prices Food prices Intrusions on privacy Government corruption Broken down infrastructure Corporate welfare Rampant crime (with guns) Foreclosure crisis Bank failures

Gosh, I wonder why the Repugs only want to talk about Iraq, Iran, and lipstick?

By bubbatech02

September 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

TO BDAtlanta

ALERT THE GRAMMER POLICE…not us.

trite comment, but thanks for the segue.

Another difference, as clearly shown, is that when someone tells the democrat that her wound is infested and that she needs to do something about it, instead of doing something about it, the democrat will behead the messenger.

Democrats’ Motto: We will never need to face our mistakes as long as we keep going after the people who point them out to us.

By steve

September 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

What a bunch of crybabies. Phil Graham was right when he said this was a nation of whiners. ” obl has won and changed our country forever.” Are you kidding? Bin Laden is in a cave somewhere, probably afraid of his own shadow. Al Queda has been crippled and America has not been attacked in 7 years. We are winning and will continue to win so long as we stay on offense. If we do as the liberals at the AJC want and elect Obama then Osama will come out of his cave.

By FSJR

September 11, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

For those of you who continue asking, “why we haven’t been attacked since 9/11”?

The answer is al-Qaida’s dispicable act bestowed more political and economic distress upon us than bin Laden could ever have dreamed of. We’re still dying, spending, and have depleted international (political and sympathetic) capital we gained from the attack by invading Iraq. That is the purpose of terrioism. He met his goal. What would he prove by attacking now while he continues to reap the residuals from 9/11? Let’s not forget that the Afghanistan/Taliban/bin-Laden trifecta is the war on terror not the invasion of Iraq. Bush got it twisted and somebody’s got to straighten it out.

Now I have question Bushies, why is bin-Laden still alive?

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

I have a little theory in my head pieced together from reading various sources over the past few months:

The insurgency in Iraq has basically been bought and that’s why they aren’t fighting anymore: hence, success.

Who wants to place a bet with me?

If McCain wins, Iraq gets wrapped up quickly and on to better and badder wars. After all, to keep the GOP in power, we have to have an active war so they can make all the no-brainers amongst us scared.

If Obama wins, all hell breaks lose in Iraq and elsewhere.

Anybody?

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

“We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.”

—Osama bin Laden

He did it to the Russians—are we next?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

SEEMS Petraeus agrees with Jay and I…

said he did not know that he would ever use the word “victory”: “This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade… it’s not war with a simple slogan.”

By someuniter

September 11, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

To the person, whom I will not name, that posted at 9:14am talking about “On a day when we should all unite as one”, then goes on to insult everyone that does not share their opinions. You are as much of a “UNITER” as your president. And for the record, you all claim like Palin that you are Christian conservatives. If you were you would know that God commanded us to unite as one everyday, and to love each other everyday. Saying that we should unite on one day of the year is a slap in the face of the GOD. But thats not surprising to me, you all have shown what you are and what your for. “YOURSELVES”

By Firefighter

September 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

You moron….how dare you sully the rememberance of the 343 Firefighter that gave all on this date 7 years ago. What have you given? NOTHING Better yet what have you produced that is positive. NOTHING Yet you sit there on your throne and try to figure out ways to take other people’s money and give it to the people that don’t think, don’t work and most importantly don’t care. I hope you and your like rot in hell.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Bosch @ 11:14

Excellent point. I want everyone who is reading this to consider the economic state of this country without the spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. HINT: It ain’t pretty.

By Never Forget

September 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

Today I give thanks and prayers to our troops and those that have lost their lives at the hands of Islamic Terrorists.

Spineless democrats like JAY are just like their savior Barack. You want a world of butterflies and rainbows without sacrifice. Keep criticizing our President and troops while THEY sacrifice so you can keep that right.

ps - JAY, I didn’t know that tracking down one slime ball in the mountains of an unfriendly country was a “basic task”. Maybe you could do us all a favor and do one productive thing with your life and tell us how we can accomplish this.

By ESR

September 11, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Democrats would like nothing better than to see the US attacked again to prove a point. The democrats in their controlled impotent congress would rejoice to see another attack. They would perceive it as an attack against Bush, not against Amercia. Democrats are much more of a threat to Amercia and our freedoms than any terrorist group. One breath of fresh air is coming down from Wasilla with some sexy lipstick on and she has caused a total meltdown in the Obama campaign and has made a laughing stock out of several democrats. She has Oprahh running scared. Oprah is scared to death of Palin and her popularity. The only reason Big O and I mean Big O won’t have Palin on her show is that she knows Plain would walk off that stage a bigger rock star than what she is now. Oprah and Obama are intimidated to hell and back by a little woman from Wasilla.

By WhoCares

September 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Bookman and the rest of this liberal rag are only spouting this BS in an effort to stir things up and sell papers. After all stating the obvious that McCain is going to win isn’t really news is it?

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Soothsayer,

I’ve said many times before - it’s not about whose got the biggest guns anymore and most of the world knows that.

It’s about whose got the money - and we ain’t got the money anymore.

Wars are won now by crippling an economy. Most of the world knows that - the idiot GOPers haven’t caught on to that yet. It’s still all about God and Guns to them.

And like I said Bush needs bin Laden and a reason for war to unite the Gods and Guns base - there are more of them out there that vote than more of folks like us.

By Reality

September 11, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Just because something requires a long hard commitment and sacrifice doesn’t mean you start whining and quit. More soldiers died in a single day in WWII than in this whole war yet you liberals can only whine and talk of surrender.

Thank God the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor and left your liberal fore fathers no choice but to stand up and fight for freedom, other wise we’d all be growing funny little mustaches and practicing our goose stepping while bowing to the rising sun.

Like Hitler Muslim thugs in the Middle East understand only one thing.

They want to wipe us and Israel from face of the earth and talk about it regularly, if we aren’t prepared and willing to do the same to them we will lose our freedom. This includes your freedom to whine, cower and issue endless non binding resolutions.

The world never has been nor will it ever be a peaceful place. You can either be a ruler or the ruled. It’s our choice to make according to the long hard commitments and sacrifices we choose to make. If you are so stupid as to think all your talk makes any difference at all just look at the UN and Darfur.

The harsh truth is killing works and talk doesn’t. The best way to stay free is to kill those that would enslave you right out in the open for the entire world to see. Those that would condemn you will also be the first to envy your freedom and try to immigrate.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Never Forget

Your boy knows…..

when’s HE gonna tell?

McCain says knows how to capture bin Laden

Your boy also knows how to win wars

is going to share that info ever?

McCain: “I Know How To Win Wars”

SO, McCain knows how to get Osama and win wars and he has done SQUAT about it?

Obviously, McCain want to get elected President more than he wants to save American lives

Country first, my backside

Maybe he was more affected by 5 1/2 years of inhanced interogation than we know.

By Goldie

September 11, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

OMG — Luckovich today: “You Da Man— OBL”… America is still as unsafe as it was on Sept. 10th. Neither W nor McBush has done much of anything to stop Al-Qaida. Instead they’ve kept us in an ongoing occupation of Iraq for too long.

Right-wingnuts: OBL is just keeping his powder dry and rebuilding his terrorist network for a few years, just like he did after 1993 when Rudy turned his head away.

By Common Sense

September 11, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

It’s funny how so many of you are brainwashed, you constantly comment about giving money to people but the GOVERNMENT gives money to MAJOR CORPORATIONS( Tax breaks), and other Countries but I do not see you complaining about that!

Graham is right! We are country of whiners, we think we can fight our way of everything and what is good for the goose well you know the rest!

Let’s remember 9/11 as a nation, not as liberal/conservative/democrat/republican.

So many of you are really hateful with you comments we need to find solutions not put blame on our presidents.

By SaveOurRepublic

September 11, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

The Globalist Elite have are achieving their “victory” as planned, leveraging a false-flag operation to further their empire building via a permanent presence in the Middle East. There’s never been any true plans to fully extract U.S. troops, and the rhetoric by the DNC & GOP puppets in totally empty. Bacrock Obummer and Juan McAmnasty will continue to implement the Globalist’s agenda.

Just as clearly stated/documented within PNAC’s 2000 “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” report, their “new Pearl Harbor” was fulfilled to launch the Iraq/Afghanistan empire building initiative and implement a police state within the U.S. (via the Military Commissions Act, the so-called “Patriot” Act & the John Warner Defense Authorization Act). We Americans need to educate one another to the truth and stop buying into the Neocon’s Machiavellian propaganda. Our Republic’s future is in dire jeopardy!

http://www.seeloosechange.com

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

OUCH! Good one, Mrs Godzilla at 11:37. I’d like to know why McCain would hold us all hostage with this knowledge of how to get bin Laden: “elect me, I know how to get him and you don’t.” I think that speaks right to the heart of the problem.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Fearless Fosdick 9:58

I do not understand your question “Paul, and who did the Iraqis BOMB?” in response to my 9:50 “Jay 9:10 followup: [[Remember what Ronald Reagan did when they bombed the Marines in Lebanon? Ran like a little baby,]]

Isn’t this what Democrats wanted Pres Bush to do in Iraq? Withdraw now?”

Can you restate?

Goldie 10:00

[[Withdraw now? Paul @ 9:50 — so you still think that after a 6-year occupation of Iraq, withdrawing “now” means the same as “cut-n-run”? If so, what’s the cutoff time for not calling it “cut-n-run” anymore — only when the Repugs say it’s OK???]]

Goldie

I said nothing of ‘cut-n-run.” I was merely referencing the words of many Democrats a couple years ago who used the words ‘withdraw’ without condition and the irony that a president many of them revile took the same course of action in Lebanon they advocated in Iraq,

‘Course, they’ve since modified the meaning of ‘now’ - or dropped it altogether. Except Code Pink. They’re consistent.

RealityKing 10:09

[[By RealityKing September 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this Just image how the makeup of the Middle East would change if Iran were to… aquire nuclear bombs.]]

Well, Sen Obama has stated several times a nuclear Iran is unacceptable and there is nothing he would not do. Feel better?

Mrs Godzilla 10:23

“If” is such a pesky word –

From your ThinkProgress link: ““The crunch time will be if – and emphasize if – we have to go after Iraq,”

Soothsayer 10:36

Mixing attitudes and conclusions regarding mainstream Muslims and jihadists like OBL gives inaccurate impressions. I’d venture both are fed up with an American presence, while jihadists would continue the holy war even if we were not in their caliphate.

Bosch 10:37

The article has been out for a while. What’s amazing is the underlying attitude many in the Moslem world have of their inability to succeed, their essential incapability compared to the West. It’s an attitude that needs to change.

Your 11:14

That’s one element. But, so what? That’s been the norm there for years. So we finally adapt to local conditions and achieve some of our goals. I’d call that a good thing. And I’m not aware McCain’s making calls for ‘on to badder wars..” I’d venture our end game in Iraq won’t be noticeably different if Obama or McCain is elected.

Mrs. Godzilla 11:20

I believe Gen Petraeus was/has/will make such statements to people who still do not understand using words in a 50-year old context is misleading.

Your 11:37

No, I do not think McCain will tell us. I think he’ll follow the same strategy Obama outlined to Bill O’Reilly: give a few generalities and then say it ‘would be inappropriate to tip my hand.’

By Serving Soldier

September 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Classy Bookman, On a day when we should remember those who were murdered by terrorist, You take their side in bashing the president and say it is a republican mistake. We are all Americans, Including you and your bleeding heart friends. Good job on the article, I am sure Osama would be proud of you.

By Char

September 11, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

McCain has been saying for some time now that he knows how to get bin Laden.

My question is, why hasn’t he informed Bush? It’s cruel beyond belief that he would let bin Laden go free for 7 years and not tell Bush how to get him. All those people slaughtered 7 years ago today, and McCain knows how to get bin Laden but does nothing.

Do you think maybe McCain is lying? Do you think maybe being elected President is more important to him than us getting bin Laden? I say “Yes” is the answer to both questions.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Reality @ 11:35

Prior to the Iranian overthrow of the Shah and the subsequent taking over of the US embassy and its staff, I doubt seriously if 99% of the people in this country could even find Iran on the map.

The Shah—who attained power with the help of CIA assasinations—was a ruthless dictator and puppet of the West. His primary purpose was to ensure that Iranian oil continued to flow to the West and to prevent nationalization.

What if the Iranians had not taken the US embassy staff hostage? That’s a rhetorical question. I find it remarkable that the Iranians released the hostages on RR’s inauguration day, then we later learn of the Iran/Contra scandal.

And yes, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor after the covert “Flying Tiger” missions in China.

And Hitler and the rise of fascism in Germany was nothing more than a direct result of the crippling terms of the Versailles Treaty.

I say foreign policy causes wars. As long as we continue to meddle in Islamic countries there will never be peace and security here or anywhere in the world.

There is no such thing as “winning” in this type of conflict. It would be the equivalent of wiping fire ants out on your lawn. You might succeed in keeping them at bay but as soon as you stop spreading poison, they will return.

By Brent

September 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jay, what a shock it only took the second sentence and there was a Bush jab. Then through a nice cheapshot at McCain at the bottom. I thought you might throw a line about what “His Majesty Obama” would do better.

Remember Mister Liberal Lover, If Bill had allowed it back in the day we wouldn’t be having this conversation about 9-11 or Bush or Iraq. So take that to the bank

MCCain 08!

By Brent

September 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jay, what a shock it only took the second sentence and there was a Bush jab. Then through a nice cheapshot at McCain at the bottom. I thought you might throw a line about what “His Majesty Obama” would do better.

Remember Mister Liberal Lover, If Bill had allowed that airstrike on Osama back in the day we wouldn’t be having this conversation about 9-11 or Bush or Iraq. So take that to the bank

MCCain 08!

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

For those just tuning in: The wingnuts have hit new lows today, proudly embracing their ignorance and refusal to change. AJC/DNC Management got things off to a bad start with his completely asinine allegation that Bush stated the Iraq war could go on for decades. THAT IS SO UNTRUE. What Bush said, long before the invasion, was that the war against terrorists could go on for decades, which is something completely different. His administration, remember, promised us a cakewalk in Iraq and cannot even prove a link between Iraq and the terrorists. Then Tony came on and revealed what an a—hole he can be by calling Obama “sambo.” And his racist gambit was echoed by others, especially Earl’s despicable post comparing Cynthia Tucker to a cleaning woman. Next came the eraserhead who called Jay and Cynthia “one-sided editorialists” — as if there were any other kind. Folks, if you can’t handle the definition of opinion, go immediately to the comix section and stay there. The capper, though, may be BT fan’s silly assertion that at least Bush kept his pants zipped. That is true. Yet, maybe if Bush had had a reason to unzip his pants, we wouldn’t be in this stupid, unending McBush war to this day. But, Jay, I do agree that this was not the best topic for 9/11.

By rightofcenter

September 11, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

I finally figured out why I continue to read Bookman. It’s because we live in parallel universes. His reality is totally different from my reality. I must say it is almost amusing the degree to which he has become “unhinged”. This particularly shows up in his responses to anonymous posts.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Imperialism—the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence.

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

By Paul

September 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Fearless Fosdick 9:58

Sure Paul, For your edification I’ll be glad to restate.

Who did the Iraqis BOMB? Paul!

You write this….”what Ronald Reagan did when they bombed the Marines in Lebanon? Ran like a little baby.”

Then you write this “Isn’t this what Democrats wanted Pres Bush to do in Iraq? Withdraw now?”

In other words, What does Lebanon have to do with Iraq.

Iraq never bombed the U.S. … Never attacked the U.S.

So what are we doing in Iraq?

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Some random thoughts as I scan the article and comments.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

That’s what I’m saying - many need each other to blame or continue in power.

So, you wanna bet me?

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Never Forget? Ha! You’re a joke. You wrote: I didn’t know that tracking down one slime ball in the mountains of an unfriendly country was a “basic task.” Well, pay attention: Don’t you remember seven years ago when the president stared directly into a sea of TV cameras and said he wanted Bin Laden “dead or alive”? I know Bushies are unaccustomed to dealing with facts they don’t like, but Jay is an editorial writer, not a general. It is his job to question and to express opinions. Besides, who cares about Jay’s strategy when we have McSame blackmailing the nation by claiming he would find bin Laden if only we’d vote for him. Why would Mc promise such pie in the sky if the search for bin Laden is as inconsequential as you claim?

By ButtHead

September 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

You people who blame Bush for everything including the weather make me laugh. The president does not make any laws or pass any bills. Our wonderful do-nothing democratic congress needs to get their thumbs out of their a$$ and pass some laws. But wait if you order now you will receive 2 years of congress that has a lower rating than Bush, and will do absolutely nothing for 2 more years. RLOL

By tcoach

September 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Someuniter, I have enough respect for you to use your name. Exactly what views of mine did I exress or opinions. I nevr once exressed any opinion of mine. You attacked me. I also never said that this is the only day in which we should unite. I chastied Bookman for trying to make the rememberance and tragety of so many a platform for his political views. He is using death and sorrow to promote his beliefs. This is something he continually accuses the GOP of doing and he has a case to a degree. Also at what point did I ever say anything about my christian values. I did not. I never even said I was a christian, but I do appreciate you saying I am to just promote your hate. Why is your life that unhappy? What is it that I showed myself to be?
Proud of being American Yes Proud of all the decisions made by America No Do I think people should be much more thankful- Yes Do I think people should never complain- No So tell me what views and opinions I was giving or coming down on. There were none. I was trying to tell people to be nicer and to understand all humans are flawed. So sometimes maybe we should put ourselves in the situation that others were in. Just as in my life, if we investigated, re-examined and poked holes in your personal decisions in life there would be errors.
For you I am sorry that your life is so downtrodden and miserable that you can not be peacful and thankful for one day. Stop ALL the hate.

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Bosch: Your bet is worthless, not gutsy. McSame, if elected, is going to cling to the Iraq war as if it were his best friend. And if Petraeus is such a great military leader, he would ensure chaos doesn’t break out in Iraq in the event Obama is elected.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

When I was a child my Father used to tell about how they caught monkeys in some parts of the world.

They put some enticing morsel in a coconut shell tied to a rope. The coconut shell had a hole just large enough for the monkey to slip his hand through but too small to remove his balled-up fist.

Once the monkey reached in and grabbed his prize he could not remove his hand. Unwilling to give up his prize he allowed himself to be caught.

I simply didn’t want to believe that an animal could be that stupid.

Anyone who has lived on the coast knows the same principle holds true for crabs. A rancid piece of chicken and a piece of rope is all you need. The crab stubbornly refuses to yield his prize and is caught.

Anyone see a parallel here? Do we have our hand in the coconut shell?

By Fred Murtz

September 11, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

We have been 7 years without another attack in this country. This in spite of the fact that Democrats have done everything that they can think of to prevent the Bush Administration from protecting us. Losers. Here’s to another 8 years under McCain-Palin.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

mike h. smith,

I respectfully disagree. Bush has already laid the plans for our “victory” there.

And the American people are bored with it.

The GOP needs a new war, you know, for the new President.

Soothsayer,

Yeah, I agree it’s hard to imagine something being so stupid. That’s how I feel right now about the American voters.

By Peadawg

September 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Let me clarify what I said earlier. I meant F U to anyone who uses 9/11 for politics…”7 years and no closer to wining.” Lets use this day to remember victims. Lets not use this day as “amo” (bad wording, I know) to bash the President.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Fred Murtz @ 12:41

You are correct—we have not been attacked in 7 years. But you still live in fear of another attack, don’t you?

This is what you can expect as long as our foreign policy remains the same.

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

**”All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Sir Edmund Burke**

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Peadawg,

So, I’m assuming by your post that means you wish to tell the entire GOP to f off? Especially Rudy Guiliani.

By BSD

September 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Thanks Jay, for writing a pitiful excuse for a column on a day when we should not be pointing fingers, but coming together, once again, as Americans.

By Fred Murtz

September 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer - No, actually, I don’t live in fear. That’s just not a good way to live.

By BSD

September 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

What a pitiful excuse for a column today. Today we should be remembering the victims and coming together as Americans once again. Thanks for the divisive column Jay. Sarcasm intended.

By Never Forget

September 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Hussein, I was criticizing Jay for stating that capturing Bin Laden was a “basic task”. Just another example of how Jay takes for granted the sacrifices made by our armed forces and even thinks that homeland security is a small issue. He believes that we have bigger fish to fry than keeping terrorists at bay without realizing that another attack on our soil will negatively affect every other issue facing Americans today.

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

FRED you sound as DUMB as your TV counterpart.

How have the democrats done everything that they can think of to prevent the Bush Administration from protecting us?

You’re allowed two answers…I doubt if I’ll get one!

I believe the REPUBLICANS controlled the presidency..vice presidency..The senate and the house for 6 of the last 8 years, and the senates margin is still so slim they can’t pass a bill without the help of some republicans!

Republicans, Such as Cronyn, Imhoff, Graham, McCain etal will go to untold lengths to protect Bush’s mismanagement even if is to the detriment of the country!

I’ll wait for your response to my query!

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”

Author Unknown

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

The Corporal @ 12:54

Your quote presupposes that we are not evil. Is it not evil to invade another country? Is it only evil when the Russians do it? Is it not evil to meddle in the affairs of Islamic nations for decades simply because the possess oil resources? Is it not evil to violate the most sacred land of all of Islam? (A concept that cannot be grasped by Westerners.) Is it evil to take what we want in the World by force? (No need to answer that last question—it was rhetorical.)

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

By Peadawg

Peadawg…I guess you didn’t tune in to the republican convention?

We witnessed in slo-mo the destruction of the twin towers…We also heard Giuliani speak…

A NOUN a VERB and 9/11…quite an in depth speech!

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

To Soothsayer:

Is is evil for the police to arrest criminals. Is it evil for the police to shoot and kill perpetrators who threatening their life? Is it evil for the FBI to conduct raids against terrorists in their homes and sacred Mosques if they are being used for such purposes.

Sir: There is good and evil in the world, it is a much smaller place and although the United States is not perfect, if you can’t see the difference in this discussion then you are to be pittied !

By Fred Murtz

September 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

fearless fosdik -

Let’s start with the fight over so called “Domestic Surveillance”

How about constant carping about how our civil liberties have been violated.

How about the constant fight to prevent our troops from squirting water up the noses of people sworn to kill us.

You are pretty quick to call a person dumb. Why so uncivil?

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

YOU BE THE JUDGE At 9:14, tcoach called Obama “The same candidate who is so cocky and arrogant that he cannot even admit that he the great one was wrong in speaking so poorly of the surge.” At 12:29, tcoach said of his earlier post: “I nevr once exressed any opinion of mine.” Now, you be the judge. Does tcoach deserve field goal position or a 20-yard penalty? (fade to black followed by a 30-second Oscar Mayer commerical and then …) Does tcoach deserve field goal position or a 20-yard penalty? The votes are in and a flag has been thrown.

To Bosch: I do agree with you that McCain the Maverick would go in search of another war. I do not believe, however, that he would ever remove our troops from Iraq. Bush’s timetable won’t be worth a grain of salt once he’s out of office.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

The Corporal:

Answers to your questions. 1) No 2) No 3) No

You, unfortunately have not answered my questions. Even though your tacit refusal to do has accomplished the same thing.

Ask a doctor: “you need a shot.”

Ask a dentist: “you need that tooth pulled.”

Ask a militarist: “you need some good old-fashioned war.”

By SaveOurRepublic

September 11, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

hotlanta @ 8:33 AM - Rudy “Ghouliani” is indeed a major league piece of Neocon trash. That vermin has leveraged the 9/11 false flag to rake in millions (Giuliani Partners contracts, books, etc.). Note that his emergency office was in WTC 7 (along with SEC, IRS, Secret Service, DOD & CIA…how convenient!). The question to ask yourself regarding 9/11 is simply “cui bono”?

http://www.seeloosechange.com

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

By Fred Murtz

September 11, 2008 1:18 PM

FRED..My sincere apology for being RUDE!

However, I’d like to point out to you that waterboarding is not merely squirting water up someones nose…It is called torture!

Do you like to have your rights violated? What one would call domestic Surveillance!

And, as mentioned before the republicans have been in office for a long time, and could basically pass anything they wanted without threat of a veto.

“So explain to me again how the democrats have done everything that they can think of to prevent the Bush Administration from protecting us?”

By Captain

September 11, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Oh you Bush haters, you are so out of it. Facts, people, facts, the hyperbole be damned.

9-11 might never have occurred if Bill Clinton had taken Osama bin Laden on the four occasions he was offered to him. Lest we not forget, Atty Gen Janet Reno wanted an arrest warrant for a terrorist bent on killing Americans. Osama was, in effect, let off the hook by President William Jefferson Clinton. That’s a FACT not in dispute.

Our surveillance network was largely dismantled and forgotten during the eight years of the Clinton Administration. Clinton was warned numerous times about a growing threat, we had the USS Cole bombing, but ‘ol Bill had more pressing matters with which he was concerned, like Monica.

Saddam was, and had been, committing genocide. I thought genocide against innocent civilians is why President Clinton rushed Americans into the Balkans. Was I wrong about that? Weren’t innocent people being slaughtered by a vile dictator? Liberals want us involved in the Balkans and Sudan but not Iraq. That’s curious.

Saddam, accoring to every report and every member of the Intelligence Community, had WMD’s. Sen Hillary Clinton concluded he did and approved of the War, as did virtually every other Democrat in the Senate. Saddam was trying to acquire nuclear materials, British and Italian operatives confirmed such. Don’t give me the crap about that hack Joe Wilson. It has become abundantly clear that his wife, who was well known in social circles throughout DC to be a CIA employee, sent him to Niger on a free plane trip with a mission to discredit the Bush Administration. Valeria and Joe were campaign contributors to both Al Gore and John Kerry.

The Dems have done everything they could to sabotage the War effort. They’ve declared the War lost, they called the President a liar, they’ve called and accused the young men and women in our military of being terrorists in the night, murderers, and more. In effect, the Dems have done everything they could possibly do to ‘lose the Iraq War’ to make sure the Democrat Party takes control of the country.

Here comes Barack Obama. No experience, no judgment, no perspective, and he is proposing that captured terrorists be read Miranda rights and provided an attorney. God Help us all. Whatever cave Osama is hiding out in you can bet his daily prayers to Allah are for an Obama Presidency. Terrorists thrive against weakness and naive leadership.

The biggest problem with the Iraq War is it wasn’t fought during the Clinton Presidency. Had it been, it would have been proclaimed as the “Liberation of the Middle East” offensive. Dems would have hailed it as one of the most brilliant moves in U S history. Republicans would have gone along with them, as they did in the Balkans.

The saddest thing on this 7th anniversary of one of the worst days in American history is Democrats can’t quit being Democrats long enough to be Americans.

By tcoach

September 11, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Being that there have been television and internet ads makin g acomparison between Obama and Jesus-community organizer thenyes the great one is not a statement of opinion meerly going along with the previous ads. So please tell me where the opinion lies. I also see that you fail to mention how there were many errors in the statement made to incite the response of mine at 12:29. Another thing how can you ask a question and then have a verdict at the bottom. So please go back and find an actual opinion not a play on words from the candidates own ads. But i suppose it is fine to make an assumption of someone you have never seen nor spoke with about their religous beliefs. There is no need for the dramatic way to go about it if you have a problem with something I say then tellme do not use a horrible football analogy, especially since there has never been a penalty worth 20 yards in the football rules book. Why would you let the truth bother your hate and wise cracks.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

September 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

I first posted this four days ago in response to Jay’s other column. It was down at the bottom so probably nobody saw it. If this violates the rules Jay can take it down. I feel like it is still relevant since the columns are on basically the same subject.

*I think we’d all agree we wish Osama had been caught by now. These things often take a long time. Ilich Ramírez Sánchez (Carlos the Jackal) was on the loose for many years before he was finally caught. Osama is still a threat but his position has been weakened to what it once was. Yes he’s still dangerous but it’s more difficult for him now. He will eventually be caught or killed and when he is whomever is President will get the credit and good for them. (Killed would be good enough for me.)

According to the book America’s Secret War by George Friedman (2004), Osama probably escaped from Tora Bora by paying off Eastern Alliance General Mohammed Zaman Ghun Sharreef.

These things are happening in a shadow world of intrigue where things often aren’t what they seem. So I agree we should stay after him until we either get him or have definitive proof that he’s dead. It may be a very long hunt though.*

The only thing I would add to this is that you have to factor in Afghanistan’s terrain. Through the centuries the mountains have proved to be the undoing of many.

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

To Soothsayer

I would have thought my answer to your questions was obvious but I’ll state it again.

It is not evil to invade and war with a despotic country whether it’s NAZI Germany or Iraq. It’s is fair to debate the timing, method, tactics, strategy, etc. If you have the means and forsight to do it sooner rather than later it ususally saves thousands of innocent lives (just ask those families who lost loved ones in the death camps in WWII).

I repeat …… All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

But don’t worry ……. those of us who were or are ready to move to the sound of the guns will guard your back and make sure you have the freedoms that you obviously take for granted.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer 12:07

I did not write “what Ronald Reagan did when they bombed the Marines in Lebanon? Ran like a little baby.”

Mr. Bookman did. My response to him was that Pres Reagan followed the course of action (immediate withdrawal) the Left has advocated. Most have since pulled back from ‘now’ to ‘over a long time and then we’ll hang around in the region for a while.’

It was given to show that a conservative president had more in common with today’s Left than the current candidate does. Other than that, it had nothing to do with Iraq.

Bosch 12:09

Nope.

Hey, I saw Paul Giamatti (John Adams in the HBO series) on Leno. Leno asked his favorite movie. He started laughing and laughing, said a script came into his office and he laughed and laughed. Had to do with a boy who f*rts uncontrollably. He then hooks up with an engineer who wants to harness the gas to power a rocket ship. Also stars the guy who played Ron Weasley in Harry Potter. It’s now a DVD called ‘Thunderpants.’

Somehow I thought of you. Seemed it would appeal to your sense of humor. Not because of the other stuff. As you can tell, I believe this thread, and the other, are about played out -

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

SaveOurRepublic:

In re: your 11::44. In all of the hubbub I forgot to comment on your post.

I think there is far more truth in your comments that most realize. Especially the “new Pearl Harbor” commnent. For you see, that is the casus belli the New World Order had to have to launch the current offensives.

I still believe that everything that happens in the world is controlled by a narrow few and that our politicians are “sock puppets” beholden to them.

Further, I think that our “democracy” is rather like a Hollywood set. From just the right angle it looks substantial but if you walk around behind, you see that it is just a false front.

I believe that no matter who gets elected, the same narrow few will still be in control and the new “sock puppet” will function exactly as the old “sock puppet” does.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

mike h. smith,

But, we have to have appeared to have “won” something in order for the Gods and Guns amongst us to keep supporting more wars.

That’s why I think if McCain is elected, Iraq will be wrapped up pretty quickly.

By Fred Murtz

September 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

fearless fosdik - not going to waste my time. Time to get back to work. Have a great day!

By Thought for Today

September 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

What do Obama and Osama have in common - Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.

By Soothsayer

September 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

To the Corporal:

So it’s not evil for the Russians to invade Georgia? Their claims are similar to yours.

I don’t take anything for granted. And I agree with your quote: All that is, etc.

Don’t you wish you could just come over here and SHOOT me? Eliminate dissent: is that the answer?

By george

September 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Bookman, here are some things for you and your cowardly friends to contemplate on this anniversay of 9/11/2001. We haven’t been attacked, but it doesn’t mean there have not been attempts.

List of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.

December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.

May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced “dirty bomb” to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.

September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.

June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.

August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).

August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York’s Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.

June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.

August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.

December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.

April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.

June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.

July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.

August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.

March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.

May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.

June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.

September 2007, German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda’s global jihadist agenda.

What would have happened had your “appeasers” been in office?

By LOLO

September 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

7 years and no domestic terror attacks…

7 years later and George Bush starts pulling troops out of Iraq and you progressive liberals can’s stand it because he started doing it beofre a Democrat president could.

7 years keeping terrorts contained in theor own backwater region

7 years keeping terrorists held away from us in Cuba.

7 years and untold numbers of foild attcks.

7 years and the Democrats have forgotten that Islamic Fascist STILL want to wipe us out.

7 years and patrotism and love of county and American values has become a four-letter word to Democrats.

Where will we be in 7 more years???

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Chicken.

Um thanks for thinking of me. ??

Just kidding. You know, weirdly enough, I have read where Rupert Grint was going to be in a film called Thunderpants, but didn’t know the context. Thanks for letting me know.

And, um, by the way, I don’t have a problem with using methane - even if from a boy who has constant “gas issues” to power cars.

Do you know there are farms in Vermont that use methane from the cows to power the barns electricity?

Huh, Huh? Did you know that?!?

Hey, another thing, I’m now having family health issues - not me or any immediate fam - the other Bosch’s old folks - so as I was pondering our inept healthcare system last night - I thought of you too, and wanted to ask how your son is doing.

By Ken

September 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Jay, You are a liberal idiot (pardon the redundancy) like all of the others that are willing to talk down America to us and the world in order to have any chance in getting your liberal, Socialistic/anti-American philosophy even a moment’s consideration.

Bubba was YOUR president and a disgrace by conventional standards, but you and the other diseased liberals of the world would kiss the cigar in his hand while planning the smear campaign against the next President that would be picked up by the multitude of dictatorships, socialist has-beens and wannabes in the U.N.

You and your kind are the single greatest threat to what IS America from within, and you have empowered the enemies of America and the world, and ensured that the world will never stand with us against them; that is why extremism and hatred flourishes today in the world, because of extremists and haters like you across the world and in our own congress!

By Paul

September 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

He’s home and recovering well, thank you for asking. I may have mentioned there was a dicey time when his remaining intestine shut down. Tough procedures came into play, including nearly eliminating the pain meds. But then it came back on line and he improved rapidly. He’ll undergo two more operations in a few months.

But his uplifting attitude never wavered. It’s quite something when a son is such a fine example for a dad.

I’ll keep the good thoughts going for your in-laws.

By someuniter

September 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

tcoach, I tell you what lets call a truce. You say Bookman is using death and sorrow to promote his beliefs. I say haven’t the Bush administration been doing the same. I mean Bush, Rudy, Cheney, and the rest of the good ol boys have milked 9/11 for all its worth. And haven’t Palin and McCain done the same. Think about the convention, everyone that mounted that stage talked about McCain’s time as a POW. Palin, Fred, Rudy, McCain his wife and two others I can’t name off hand because they were not familiar names to me, they were there on behalf of different organizations. And after all of this they had the nerve to show a film about this sorrowful event. Now admit it aren’t they using death and sorrow to promote themselves, or better yet to get into office. Admit it or not Bush used it to start an illegal war. So I say to you my fellow blogger, admit your party is just as bad at pimping 9/11 as anyone else and i’ll admit Obama was really talking about Palin the other night when he made references to a pig.

By tcoach

September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer, I hate to interupt but those comparisons are not the same. Russia invaded Georgia over the matter of a city. A city that has said it wants to be with the northern portion of the city which is under russian control.(they announced that today) Russia attacked after georgia tried to halt their sucession. Also I do not remember anyone in russia killing off mass amounts of people through genocide and mustard gas attacks. So they are linked but not the same.

By Jake

September 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

BushCo and most of the western world had faulty intel about Iraqi WMD. When BushCo found out the intel was at least suspect, they decided to invade anyway. Why? Because Saddam attacked Kuwait in 1990 and threathened Saudi Arabia, you know the country with half the known oil reserves. It is clearly extremely important to the U.S. to keep the oil flowing but it’s not politically expedient to come out and say we’re going to attack and invade Iraq to do that, so they told a series of lies and spins. All of you that think invading the ‘sovereign’ state to keep the oil flowing is horrendous and despicable, please walk or bike to work and shooping and everywhere you go until you change your minds!

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

To Soothsayer

I wish you well.

By Dan

September 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Seems to me the last 7 years the score is US 7 Terrorists 0
It is really not that hard to understand

As far as still being in Iraq we are still in Germany, Japan, Korea, Bosnia and others. Not as occupiers but rebuilders and defenders. So it will be with Iraq. Viewing the situation with even the smallest amount of perspective and fact exposes the liberal Henny Pennys ranting as uninformed bluster.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Dan,

People in those countries have, by and large, asked us to stay. We’re worth a lot of money to their economies. They generally react poorly when we announce a troop reduction.

The head of the Iraqi gov’t has asked us to leave. Some say it’s for domestic politics, but the fact is he’s the head of the gov’t and we should take him at his word. Plus, Iraq is less of an “alliance/defend’ situation than a ‘stability in the region’ situation.

And if we didn’t want what they have to sell we could turn out the lights and go home.

By tcoach

September 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

I agree with you someuniter, The use of teh footage from the 9/11 event was very distasteful, at the least. With that being said though you can’t say the same about McCain’s POW experience. That was something that said things about him as a person. He did not give long details of other POWs treatment only his. This is something that he says changed his life and after that experience should be allowed to tell teh story to any who want to listen. For Bookman to try and help a candidate, is awful. Bookman has nevr done anything for the betterment of our country, state, or his community, unless he recieved more in return. At best he has seperated us. I do want to clairify though you said my party. That is not exactly true. While yes I would say I have way more “conservative” beliefs I do not vote on party lines. I voted for Clinton his second term(my first time to vote I was 18) Then I voted for Gore, but could not pull the switch on Kerry. I have never thought or said that GWB was agreat president, I do have compassion for the difficulty of the job, could you imagine some of teh days any president must have. I do think Bush used it to gain the public’s intial support of the war. I also say though that many politicians on both sides recieved horrible info and made bad decisions based on that information. Do you remember how united we were on 9/12/02? Even if we disagree on issues do you not think we should agree on being Americans. I do not agree with many of the things my family does, but I would never speak with the hate or allow anyone else to about my family and that is how I feel about my country. We can disagree but be respectful and thankful, things could be much much worse.

By obamasuksaz

September 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Here it is democrats/or better known as communists. If we go with a full blown invasion of Afghanistan, we will have just as many dead soldiers from the Irag war! It’s most mountains and most of the terrorists are highing in them. They’re not as dumb as you democrats are and fight in the middle of the desert for everyone to see. Just remember this…we haven’t had a 9/11 since and that’s because of George Bush. If Obama is elected, which he won’t (THANK GOD!), we will have 9/11’s like we have weekends. ALL THE F’N TIME! He will continue to let these terrorist bomb us, kills us and destroy us while he continues to think of ways to talk them down. They can’t be talked down and we shouldn’t want to talk them either. McCain is the only person who can protect us and fix the economy. Obama is a dill-weed and I wish nothing but the worst for him and all his supporters. You are all racist by the way. McCain in ‘08!

By Copyleft

September 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Where’s Osama?

Maybe the Bush administration is confused by his many aliases.

To Gee Dubya, he was known as “Saddam, right? RIGHT???”

To Cheney, he was known as “A pretext at last!”

And to Wolfowitz, he was “Mister Opportunity… and he’s knockin’.”

Of course, most of them known Osama today as “Umm… who? Sorry, doesn’t ring a bell.”

By Dan

September 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Paul you are right, I have trouble believing the Iraq people really want us to leave either. Their economy has grown exponentially and peoples access to everyday things cars, A/C, food etc are more than it has been in decades. Again you are correct about the stability in the region but the same goes for all the countries mentioned above. How fast do you think North Korea would take over the south if we left and while it is less likely now we stayed in germany to keep russia out. Same thing Point is we have already won by most measures and to say we are no closer is simply ignorant at best and intentionally deceptive at worst.

By celllife

September 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

We can keep spending 10 Billion per month fighting a war of lies or we can spend that on having binladen head. McCain wants to prolong a war where the people don’t want us there.Instead of getting the s.o.b.that attacked us. obamasuksaz you are so angry. I question are you letting your anger cloud your judgement. Understand you can make your point with adopting McCain was of calling people out of there name. By the way what is a Dill-weed? or is it just your area.

By NothingButHypocrites

September 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

I’m sick of all you REPUBLICANS who want to spend our hard earned money, protecting the borders of “ONLY” the countries you think are beneficial to YOU.

So what ???? about South Korea, Germany and the likes - we should have been out of those countries years ago.

Helping a country in need of help is ONE THING, but taking up PERMANENT RESIDENCE IS ANOTHER.

Also, if you think taking up PERMANENT RESIDENCE in IRAQ is going to keep things peaceful, you obviously live in a CAVE.

This is not a war about who has the most bullets, rockets or the best combat of enlisted men/women. If that was the case, we would not NEED TO BE or HAVE TO BE in Iraq today.

FEAR and HATE drive so many of us in this country, that it’s easy to see where our problems lay.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

So, someone is keeping score now:

Osama: 1, Bush: 0

Osama took credit for the World Trade Centers, on Bush’s watch, and Bush can’t catch him or won’t catch him. Which is it. It’s been 7 years and nearly a trillion taxpayer dollars. That’s a crappy record.

By Hey Soose

September 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

One of the saddest days in our nation’s history, and Bookman wants to be an a-sshole.

Everyone one of you on here arguing politics today are nothing but complete and utter idiots.

By tambo

September 11, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Hey, Do not compare obama to Sambo. I knew Sambo, Sambo was a friend of mine,and obama is no Sambo.

lol… Actually, Sambo was a dark skinned (black) Indian child, who was very clever and brave, and out witted a bunch of tigers, eventually leading them to destroy themselves and Sambo and his family nurished themselves on their remains (butter).

And I am afraid As I first said, obama is no Sambo, and there are a lot of tigers in the world these days.

By SaveOurRepublic

September 11, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

Soothsayer @ 1:48 PM - You are very wise indeed! You’re also correct that most Americans have been sheeplized to believe that the puppets in D.C. are without controlling Ma$ters. Most have no idea about the Globalist Elite/NWO who control the Military Industrial Complex (as Eisenhower alluded to in his 1961 address to the Nation). The pawns on “Crapitol sHill” are beholden to the Elite (save for rare patriots like Ron Paul).

In addition to controlling the 2 sides of the same political coin, the Globalist Elite also control the “mainstream” media (aka propaganda outlets), Hollyweird, and the Corporate World (thus so much Corporate welfare). Everything does happen for a reason, and such was the case on 9/11/01…all about advancing the Internationalist agenda!

By fearless fosdik

September 11, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

I understand Bush received in the mail today a HAPPY ANNIVERSARY card Signed

OSAMAM BIN LADEN

By Remember???

September 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Yes, Ronald Reagan left Lebanon. I had a good friend’s son who died in the barracks bombing. I don’t know that Pres. Reagan regreted that move, however I am afraid it was another instance of our failing to confront terrorists until they came to America and attacked us here.

President Bush realizes that it is better to fight them in their home than in ours. Perhaps you don’t appreciate that fact or the fact that there has been no attack on US soil in the last seven years. A large amount of that credit goes to our President whether you want to admit it or not.

Oh yea, I believe it was Ronald Reagan who was President when the hostages were released and didn’t the cold war end during his administration. I’m just trying to remember…

By So Very Rich

September 11, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

I do not care who hates who, I’m telling you how it is. McCain will be president, he is the one who will let me keep my money. My parents left it to me and I will keep it! I do not care about poor people, it’s just their bad luck they were not born to a rich family. McCain has millions, he knows how to help rich people like me keep our money. McCain will win! So shut up all you cry babies.

By AL

September 12, 2008 1:51 AM | Link to this

NEWS FLASH !! For Bookman and all the other Blame America first crowd. It’s not Americas fault thing are not going well in Afghanistan. I have witnessed it first hand Okay! The culture of corruption and Tribalism and deep deep seated roots of Government mistrust just to name a couple is the reason. Without going into details and probably insulting the Afghans, they aren’t equipped to have a democratic form of government or a united nation wide Army or police force. It’s not because we haven’t tried. Some very good people have died trying. It is not Americas fault Bookman.

By Get It Right

September 12, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

Jay Bookman is just another liberal without a clue. He is spewing this pooh in the hopes that it will bolster Obama, who is the real one that is losing. The only thing that journalism and jay have in common is that j starts the first letter of each.

By Bonedaddy

September 12, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

My only remorse with Bush is we did not invade Iran and Syria also. Give it time. By the way, it is an all volunteer military. You liberal weenies can stay home and protest and smoke your dope whilst others do the heavy lifting. Pansies.

By Analchord

September 12, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Palin 08: Not so much lipstick on a pig, as a pig in a poke.

If Charles Krauthammer is correct when he suggested that Obama Jumped the Shark in Berlin last month, then it’s also true that McCain Bucked the Tiger in Alaska.

Is Palin a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

I only know that you cant make a silk parse out of a sow’s earmark, my friends.

‘muff said