By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Not bad Jay.

Here’s my suggestion.

Obama needs to do one of his barn burner speeches about TRUTH.

We were lied into war.

They tell us the economy is just fine.

Our kids are getting a rotten education

LIE LIE LIE

Americans want and need to talk about issues….McCain wants to talk about livestock wearing makeup.

Like his world class speech on race… address TRUTH.

By Tom

September 11, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Speaking of “Bush,” on this occasion of the remembrance of 9/11, let us by all means take the time to remember the culpability of Bush’s actions prior to that nightmare, and the equal culpability of every person responsible for putting him and his “team” in office. A deep stain upon this nation that should never be forgotten.

By Truth

September 11, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Jay…. you are reaching again…

By Dennis

September 11, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Except that the only media outlet reporting this idiot’s “Sambo” insult is the AJC and Jay Bookman.

Meanwhile the AP, Reuters, NYT, CNN, FoxNews and the AJC pick up and report as news stories stupid accusations or insults hurled at McCain/Palin.

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Tony should realize they had ” a field day” 7 years ago and still have not been brought to justice.

It happened on his party’s watch and they cut and ran to occupy Iraq.

Tony is a racist moron or typical gop voter.

By Citizen of the World

September 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

I think you’ve pretty much nailed it!

By hillbilly ragger

September 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Jay, you missed this one:

5) Cry a lot.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Ah, I hate it when Jay goes and changes the thread on me especially when I’ve challenged a bet.

Okay, I’ll repost my challenge here.

From earlier thread:

I have a little theory in my head pieced together from reading various sources over the past few months:

The insurgency in Iraq has basically been bought and that’s why they aren’t fighting anymore: hence, success.

Who wants to place a bet with me?

If McCain wins, Iraq gets wrapped up quickly and on to better and badder wars. After all, to keep the GOP in power, we have to have an active war so they can make all the no-brainers amongst us scared.

If Obama wins, all hell breaks lose in Iraq and elsewhere.

Anybody?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jay,

You shouldn’t let cretins like that work you up, or even give them an audience. Now in the cretin’s mind, he thinks he’s messed with you and is basking in his small world view glory because you have given him an audience for his hate.

But yes, it appears you have the methods down pretty correct.

I had to work late last night and had one too many rums out on the porch when I got home - I was tired, and needed to wind down before going to sleep. I kept thinking to myself, “Hey just for fun, I’m going to start thinking like a neo-con - and I did for a minute.”

It was humorous to me last night, but really scary this morning.

By Truth

September 11, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Citizen of the World… your name says it all. I am an American first and foremost!!!

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

But, at least Tony is spewing about an issue instead of “lipstick on a pig”.

The Clintons will stop the distractions and address the issues to help Obama win.

McCain does not want to talk about the issues. That is a sure loser and Tony knows it.

By hillbilly ragger

September 11, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

oooh oooh ooh, I almost forgot

6) When McCain’s response is akin to “oh, get a life,” clutch pearls, and feign indignation at the utter lack of sensitivity to the brutality Obama’s endured, and how only Obama can ever know how Obama managed to survive those years of captivity in a white man’s world.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Jay,

I think you reached out and touched someone. Well, maybe one — one of those Republicans that so enjoys the occasional release of his pent-up feelings. I think you need to continue to get more of those people to just let it all hang out. I hear that it may even have some therapeutic value for them in the long run.

By Thought for Today

September 11, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

What do Obama and Osama have in common - both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Jay

Man, are you good at baiting!

You know full well this is a blog run by a newspaper concerning opinion. While the postings get a bit raucous at times, there is a general air of civility and the most egregious posts are deleted.

Given that their are websites/blogs cited by those running them as the voice of Progressives or Liberals, and given the general day in, day out tenor of many of the comments, well, I’d say one racist comment here leaves a lot of catching up to do.

Interesting the assumption is the poster is Republican? Ever met any racist Democrats?

Stereotypes, stereotypes…

By Mike

September 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Let’s all agree that the comments was offensive and stupid. But is Bookman really saying that candidates should be responsible for the comments of the lunatic fringe?

Is Bookman asking for Obama to refute the hate speech directed towards Christians or Republicans? Do Midori and GofHatesTrash speak for Obama?

Tell me about “crocodile tears” again Jay. You make your living off such mean-spirited hatred, but as usual, you only criticize those who don’t share your partisan views.

How about being offended by all hate speech and shutting the comments on this blog down altogether because that is all it has to offer.

Of course, how will you get your clicks then, Jay? Spare us the “crocodile tears” until you are no longer among the few people on earth who actually benefit from this hate speech.

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I think we can’t leave and stop the bribes or its back to civil war in Iraq. Schumer wants the hydrocarbon law to distribute the oil money in place of the bribes but will not reach all the factions. We could do like daddy bush and cut and run and they are their own. Its a no win situation.

w has already started war with Pakistan and Afgahanistan will always be a loser.

No, McCain wants Russia and probably payback for China for Vietnam. He lost it at the Hanoi Hilton and still thinks Vietnam is not over. A very unstable, insane, dangerous, neocon that will finish off our country.

By Swami Dave

September 11, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Jay:

If someone with a legitimate public voice within the Republican Party or McCain campaign (instead of a “little man calling himself Tony”) says something like that, I will be more than happy to join you in your demands that McCain & other Republicans distance themselves.

Were “Tony” the head of the South Carolina Republican Party (as was one of the “lipstick on a pig” delivery boys), then his statements might have public importance. Or if “Tony” were the actual candidate for President (as is Senator Obama), then, again, his comments might be meriting of attention.

As it is, he is not!

…but yes, you have the correct procedure down when someone meriting attention actually says something so stupid as this.

…and to Tony specifically - if you truly decide not to vote for Senator Obama based on his racial background, that is your right. Personally, I think that there are any number of valid reasons to make that decision that have nothing to do with his race, but you get to make that decision for yourself based on the method of your choosing (opinions, biases, or psychic vision). I believe it to be a poor decision factor largely because it would eliminate an entire segment of our population from the national discussion for reasons that have nothing to do with their ideas, policies, or experience.

Glad to be of help, Jay!

-Swami Dave

By hillbilly ragger

September 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

Mike, i’ve never read any “hate speech” directed toward Christians.

Phony Christians, the type who think Jesus is a murdering bad-a ss who’d kill ‘em all and let Dad sort ‘em out, who comprise a big chunk of McCain’s base—they’ve received a few lumps here. As well they should.

By cranky old man

September 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

You know, every election season it occurs to me that, in some ways, we’d be better off with an electoral system more similar to those found in Europe. Our problem is the “winner-take-all” nature of our elections. It leaves no room for more than two political parties. With only two choices, many of us are forced to vote for one party over another, even though we may disagree with up to 90% of that party’s platform, because we’ve decided the other 10% is non-negotiable to us.

If, on the other hand, each party received a percentage of seats in Congress equal to their percentage of the national vote, we’d have more political parties with more diverse platforms. It would be more likely we could each find a party that closely suited our views on a greater variety of issues. Each party would ally itself with like-minded parties on individual issues, changing alliances as the issues changed.

Also, in Great Britain, they have a custom whereby party leaders release their member to vote as their personal consciences dictate on certain issues, in order to avoid forcing party members to choose between party loyalty and their own religious or moral beliefs. These would be issues like abortion or the death penalty.

By Swami Dave

September 11, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

So is your postulate that:

a) if McCain wins, we win in Iraq and then go off into another war somewhere else to carry on “perpetual war” to keep someone highlighted as the “enemy” b) if Obama wins, we pretty much lose control in Iraq and Islamofacism / terrorism spreads out of the region worldwide

Gee. If those are our two options, does that mean we need to vote for Bob or Cynthia? I’m going to cheer for the super conductor to rip a hole in the space-time continium and suck the entire universe into a black hole vortex! At least after that, I wouldn’t care….smile

-Swami Dave

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Given his criticism of Obama, I think that assumption is pretty solid.

By Midori

September 11, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Do Midori and GofHatesTrash speak for Obama?

I don’t know why Mike continues to drag me into his petty arguments and hissy fits.

Mike,

can’t you stalk Jay in your “own” name?

By Mike

September 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

Jay:

Do you hold Obama and Democrats responsible for liberal bloggers?

Or do you share “Hillbilly Ragger’s” view that only conservatives make hateful statements?

By Midori

September 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

and Paul,

you should have read the racist filth spewed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

seems your buds can’t stand the thought of poor, displaced african americans receiving $2500 gift cards from Uncle Sam, yet you whoop and holler in agreement with the boatloads of money spent each day in Iraq. Tax payers money.

AMERICAN tax payers money.

and being African American, I am highly offended. there are so many racist and race baiting inbreds (Hi, Mike) who post on these blogs. I can smell them a mile away.

By Ray

September 11, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Jay,

The MSM is biased against McCain/Palin. Look around you….. Tucker, Luko, yourself…. all about as biased as you can be and you call it opinion, for want of a better word. It’s like my wife and I when we have a tiff about something. She says that I always argue with her, I maintain that it is a disagreement. Call it what you will but don’t deny your bias. It makes you look pretty stupid.

By bush go away

September 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Why are posts concerning Palin’s very real ties to the Christian theocracy movement being blocked? If “security” is the issue, as the neocons claim, there is definitely a greater threat from Christian theocrats who already have a major toehold in this political process in this country, than there ever will be from Islamic fascist who have virtually no support in the political process.

By Bosch

September 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Swami,

Yeap, that’s about right. Good luck with that rip in the time/space thing.

I hear it can really suck in there.

By hillbilly ragger

September 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Mike @ 12.27, don’t be a putz, and don’t put words in my mouth. I never claimed that hate speech was exclusive to conservatives, I was instead calling you out on your claim that Christians were subjected to hate speech here.

As far as I have observed, I have never seen anything even remotely unkind uttered about either Jesus nor His followers, in these comments threads. If you know otherwise provide a cite or stop crying.

By Mike

September 11, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Nope. No hate speech from liberals here.

LOL

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Jay B,….or should I call you Tailgunner Jay

Did you happen to notice how you responded to Tony?

And Tony, nice little “Sambo” remark there. I love it when you jerks let the mask slip so the rest of us can see the KKK mask beneath it.

You basically tarred and feathered everybody that doesn’t agree with you as a closet racist just waiting to erupt. May we please see a list of those of us you think are masked jerks?

By mike

September 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

I think its great when you have all the racists and inbreds posting with all the intelligence they can muster. That sambo crack was right on. I try to show these articles and blogs to as many young people as I can. This lets them know what their parents actually think about other people and what they do when the kids are at school learning something positive. Keep up the good work racists and inbreds, it is always good to hide behind a keyboard.

By Mike

September 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Notice that Bookman only addresses wingnuts who are easy to dismiss.

When asked a direct question from someone who isn’t foaming at the mouth, he scampers off.

I guess he like playing basketball against four year olds too.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Why would you think you were “tarred and feathered” by that remark, RW? Seriously — I’m not being sarcastic. Nothing you have written on this blog that I have seen would put you in a category with Tony.

There is no implication there that all McCain supporters are like Tony.

By swolf4810

September 11, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

AMEN Jay!

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

Newly discovered video: McCain handed over to U.S. military in Hanoi

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

**Your “stretch” on this one Jay is unbelieveable.

Now if McCain or Palin had said it ….**

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly Ragger: You read my mind with your No. 5.

By ByteMe

September 11, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

What the tactics imply is one of political “victimology”. That any criticism of your past or current positions or anything that is remotely related to something you said once automatically makes you a victim of some broad conspiracy instigated by your opponent.

And do we really want a VP who is cloistered from taking real questions from real reporters and claims victim status every time someone criticizes her past or current positions? Male OR female, it’s just a weak way to handle the situation and people will eventually catch on.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Jay B,

When you say I love it when you jerks let the mask slip it gives that implication. Had you said I love it when a jerk like you let’s the mask slip it wouldn’t.

You jerks has the connotation that you know all the jerks and are just waiting for the mask to come off.

I’m sure you probably didn’t mean it to sound that way, but I’m sick of conservatism being equated with racism. It didn’t help your cause when you went on to say that anybody that said that about Obama had to be a Republican. What party does the only former Klan member in the Senate serve?

By the way, I only became a McCain supporter when he made his excellent VP selection.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Back to my idea that Obama should do a TRUTH speech….

he should also address phony voter fraud and the real issue of election fraud.

Like this nasty little business:

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

Ain’t that a kick in the head.

Families lose their homes and the GOP swoops in to steal votes.

Disgusting.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

Jay wrote:

Do I have that technique right? Anything I’m missing here?

Yeah. There are issues to discuss. Stop trying to get your guy elected by playing “gotcha” politics. It makes you and your party look petty and weak.

Do some research.

Find out what the Chosen One did during his years at Columbia. No one seems to know and, since we don’t know much about the Obamassiah, maybe a little knowledge in that area can enlighten us.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

BUT RW….YOU HAVE TOLS US ALL ALONG THAT THERE WAY NO WAY YOU WOULD EVER VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN!

All us “lefties” are soooooooo surprised!

Not!

By Bud Wiser

September 11, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Obama/Hillary would have won the election, hands down. There is no one in the Republican party or elsewhere McCain could have picked to offset the Hill, because of her rampant, though misguided, following of women. Many of them like the Palin choice for John McCain, and will vote for them/her.

Now, it’s all coming together for McCain. Obama’s Freudian slip on the “lipstick on a pig” comment, right or wrong, intended or not, has done things that McCain could never have mustered on his own. If a PR guy wrote that for Obama, he’s looking for new work now. If Barry free-lanced it, then he’s not worthy of the job ahead anyway,because you just can’t touch that saying with a ten meter cattle prod and not have it taken the wrong way. The proof is in the current events. That issue will fade away as all others do,until the VP debate, which I predict will have even higher ratings than any of the Presidential debates.

The biggest loser??? Hillary Clinton. McCain/Palin will win, and in 4 years if he doesn’t run, she will. Hillary loses again. Eight years after that, she’ll be older than McCain is now, and probably senile. One thing for sure, she won’t have any teeth because she’s already grinding them down below the gum line watching current events unfold.

The very fabric of the Democrat party is being shredded by Palin being on the Republican ticket, as opposed to Hillary or any other woman for that matter on the Dems. A vital core constituency has been co opted by John McCain, and the libs are furious.

Gee, isn’t that a shame? I guess choosing Biden as a running mate is more like trying to put lipstick on the pig than whatever the hell point Obama was trying to make in the first place.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid…. and sexist

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

To Sunshine:

My research shows that you recently referred to Barack and Michelle Obama as “affirmative action food stamp hustlers.”

When RW asked about a list of those who had let the mask slip, you were on that list. Hearing you now plead that there are issues to be discussed is downright funny.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

RW, if you are sick of conservatism being equated with racism, then you and other non-racist conservatives ought to be quick to condemn racist statements by Tony, Sunshine and others who align themselves with conservatism.

Yet I’ve rarely if ever seen that happen here.

By Mike

September 11, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

“By JAY BOOKMAN Hearing you now plead that there are issues to be discussed is downright funny.”

Agreed. However it is not as funny as a fellow writing columns that alternate between partisan motivated outrage (“uppity”) and complaining about partisan motivated outrage (“crocodile tears”).

It is funny when people can’t pick a consistent standard and apply it across partisan lines.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Where did I say I was going to vote for McCain?

Jay B,

I didn’t ask for a list of those that had let the mask slip. That’s easy, what I asked for is a list of those you think are a mask slip waiting to happen.

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By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Now, if the Democrats were to emulate Republican tactics in this campaign season, this is what they ought to do next:

We need a little clarification here, Republican supporters or Republican campaign?

For the remainder of this little exercise I am going to assume Republican campaign because if you are even insinuating that democrat supporters have not already done #1 through #4 and a whole lot worse, then you are a total hack.

1.) Call a press conference to denounce what is being said by McCain supporters in the blogs, elevating one idiot’s posting into evidence that all conservatives think that way.

When did the McCain campaign do this? To date they have only denounced the words and deeds of the democrat candidate himself.

Examples please.

2.) Send surrogates onto the three-ring cable news circus to suggest that such statements are being supported or even planted by the McCain campaign.

When did the McCain campaign do this? Examples please.

3.) Claim that such comments — even though posted by an anonymous person — prove the MainStreamMedia is biased against their candidate.

When did the McCain campaign do this? Examples please.

4.) And finally, insist that McCain publicly distance himself from such comments, with a refusal to apologize taken as evidence that he obviously agrees with the commenter.

Now I think I know where all this is coming from, maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not.

The governor of New York is a prominent democrat politician not some obscure blog commenter.

When he accused the McCain campaign of racism based on their use of the term “community organizer” he was speaking for all democrats in a way completely opposite that any common, off the street “Tony” does not speak for all Republicans.

Do I have that technique right? Anything I’m missing here?

You are missing not only the mark, but the bow and arrow too.

Shameful.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Jay B,

I whole heartedly denounce Tony’s statement, but I don’t recall ever reading anything else he’s written so I have no idea if he’s a conservative or just a bigot.

On the other hand, I didn’t take sunshine’s comment the way you did. It’s pretty much the job description of “community organizer” to get people signed up for government services.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

RW

PLEASE FORGIVE ME…..

all you said was

By the way, I only became a McCain supporter when he made his excellent VP selection

Most of us VOTE for the candidate we support!

Mea Culpa.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

JAY

Your research is incomplete as usual. I corrected the comment and put it into simpler words that elitist wing nuts could understand.

Your creation of cute little lists is somehow supposed to intimidate us?

I don’t think so.

I’ll tell you what it does, however. It dstracts from the issues which you and the rest of left wing moonies can’t face.

If the left could make and win their arguments on the true playing field - the arena of ideas - they would do so.

Why don’t you lefties get on the phone and call Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz. You’ll go right to the head of the line if you disagree. You can debate on the air.

No. It doesn’t work that way does it? You can’t even make a point without pulling out the race card and waving it all over the place.

That’s why Sarah Palin scares the hell out of you. She’s smart, beautiful, down to earth, genuine and qualified. Hell, a woman can’t get there by going through the small town, church, family route. NOW told us so. LOL.

I don’t have a mask of any kind but I suppose that’s what separates me from the left wing wobble heads around here.

I think I’ll start my own list.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Mrs.G,

I would have thought you would know me well enough by now to know I’m not like most of you. :-)

My vote would be completely meaningless in Georgia anyway. My guess is Georgia will called for McCain/Palin at 7:00PM and 1 second.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

By JAY BOOKMAN September 11, 2008 1:23 PM Yet I’ve rarely if ever seen that happen here.

By AJC/DNC Management September 6, 2008 4:29 PM Secondly, can we knock off with the “monkey” comments, you dumbas-ses?

Geez.

By "The Corporal"

September 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

On a related subject

I have a hunch that Biden’s statement yesterday was just the beginning (“Hillary would have been a better pick”) ……………………….

In other words, the democrats know they are in trouble and will do “anything” to win. They will watch the polls and wait awhile to see if McCain/Palin make a serious blunder, but Biden may be forced down the road to find a “reason” to resign (health, family issue, etc.) and Obama will have to go with his second choice - Hillary.

This can be done as late as the last week of the campaign. Stay tuned ……………

By CP

September 11, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Yes, Jay, you did miss something. Like Obama, you kinda-sorta accuse the other side of planting rumors but stay vague enough to be able to back away from the accusation. That’s the story that was missed, mostly, in the whole flap about Obama’s “my Muslim faith” slip-of-the-tongue (see below). Meanwhile, you get all indignant over any suggestion that “your people” might be tied to any rumor-mongering, especially about who is really Trig’s mother, why did Track join the military, etc., etc. But back to Obama’s slip (slipperiness?):

“Barack Obama’s campaign brushed off suggestions Monday that a verbal gaffe the Democratic candidate made during a weekend television interview is anything more than just that.

“In an interview Sunday with ABC’s “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos, Obama tried to suggest that FOX News and others “closely allied” to Republicans are promulgating the notion that the Illinois senator is Muslim.

Asked about whether McCain himself has done anything to suggest he’s Muslim, Obama said, “Let’s not play games. What I was suggesting — you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come…”

“Christian faith,” Stephanopoulos interrupted, correcting Obama.

“… my Christian faith. Well, what I’m saying is that he hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim. And I think that his campaign’s upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time,” Obama said.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

8TO: JAY, RW*

Jay, you’re turning into a jerk. I said Obama was a “food stamp hustler” in the context that he, along with the other democRATs in congress, hustles votes for food stamps.

In contrast Sarah Palin shoots, dresses and eats her own food. Which is one of the reasons why she identifies so well with middle America.

I can’t think of many better contrasts for voters than that.

If you want to throw out the racist moniker every time a conservative expresses an opinion then this blog isn’t worth spit.

There is nothing I resent more than being labeled a racist.

Am I being to “uppity” for you?

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Please, Palin is not ready to talk to the press because she is not ready to lead. A political coward if you will.

The anti Clinton is not scary.

By T

September 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

By sunshine and thunder

Actually, Sarah Palin scares me because she tried to ban books at a library. My family hunts. It’s a skill. Shooting animals as you chase them with a helicopter is a scary personality trait.

By getalife "whiners"

September 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

private,

No, the Clintons will try to talk about the issues but the corporate media will run with distractions.

She will run against Palin in 12.

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Sunshine and thunder @ 1:14:
Find out what the Chosen One did during his years at Columbia. No one seems to know and, since we don’t know much about the Obamassiah, maybe a little knowledge in that area can enlighten us. What a dumb statement. If there were anything to be learned from that, the Clinton and McCain camps already would have told us — or they would be telling us about Obama’s mysterious days at college. Can’t you find something better to do than spreading discord and distraction? America knows more about Obama than they do Sarah Palin so cut out the cheap shots. And her past is much more mysterious and odd to me than his is.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

T

Sarah Palin did not try to ban books at a library. That is a lie and making such an allegation on a public forum makes you an abettor in that lie.

I want to see your proof that she shot animals from a helicopter (other than quotaed nuisance pests).

Which means your claim that your family hunts is dubious at best.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Jay 12:21

[[Given his criticism of Obama, I think that assumption is pretty solid.]]

Oh, possibly true as a general rule, but I can think of a couple self-identified Democrats (one in the south, a couple in the northeast) who harbor some pretty old-school ideas on race who dismiss candidates who aren’t white males. So the odds aren’t absolute - and why I said “so much for stereotypes.” Even the stereotype that there are some groups without bigotry.

Midori 12:30

[[seems your buds ]]

What ‘buds’ would those be?

[[yet you whoop and holler in agreement with the boatloads of money spent each day in Iraq]]

Ummm, when have I done that? If you want to compare past posts, it seems to me you’re the one who’s fine with continuing to spend ‘boatloads of money’ in the Persian Gulf for a long, long, time (Obama’s move’em around the chessboard plan) while I have written quite a different view of America’s future nonrole in the region.

By jasper

September 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Libbies - the print version of the racial tension stoking AJC has one of the most accurate guest columnist pieces in its history today. It essentially defines the confusion you feel and why. Thomas Sowell expertly answers the question that many of us have in regards to why anyone in their right minds would vote left.

The good news is that for many of you, this is just a phase.

Jay - what a cheap shot today, beneath you.

By Taxpayer

September 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

I like this list thing that you’ve got the Republicans talking about, Jay. Brings back thoughts of those days of conspiracies and being black-listed and all. I see some of them have already assumed their rightful places on those lists and others have decided to make their own lists. Now isn’t that cute.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

T,

Name one book that Sarah Palin tried to ban.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

I’m just now finishing up my morning laugh festival:

Q. Was Palin accurate when she said that she opposed Alaska’s “bridge to nowhere”?

A. Yes, but with an explanation. Democrats claim Palin was for the bridge before she was against it, that she opposed it only when it became a national joke and Congress killed it in 2005.-Urinal/DNC

Well, well, the AJC itself is contradicting what it said, just a few short days ago, was an outright lie.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

To Management:

That’s right, you did do that, and I applaud you for it.

As to examples when the McCain camp did such a thing, the main example is obvious:

The (ridiculous) rumor that Sarah Palin’s son Trig was actually her grandson — that the real mother was young Bristol — was posted by someone anonymously on the DailyKos site, which the McCain camp then turned into a wholescale denunciation of the media and the left. Erick Erickson at redstate.com, one of the most popular conservative blogs, claimed that Obama’s staff was behind that DailyKos posting, citing as evidence Obama’s statement that he sometimes read DailyKos.

In fact, anything now posted on DailyKos is quickly seized upon to personify liberal thought on the matter, and in fact has been cited as such by posters on this blog.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

TO: MIKE HUSSEIN SMITH

It wasn’t a statement it was a question which hasn’t been answered by anyone. What’s there to hide? If you aren’t too distracted by waving around excuses in the blogosphere why don’t you try reading this?

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

No she did not ask to ban books…. That is the fact.

HOWEVER

“She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving “full support” to the mayor.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Jay 2:08

[[anything now posted on DailyKos is quickly seized upon to personify liberal thought on the matter, and in fact has been cited as such by posters on this blog.]]

Given Daily Kos bills itself as

“…a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. One that recognizes that Democrats run from left to right on the ideological spectrum, and yet we’re all still in this fight together. We happily embrace centrists like NDN’s Simon Rosenberg and Howard Dean, conservatives like Martin Frost and Brad Carson, and liberals like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Liberal? Yeah, we’re around here and we’re proud. But it’s not a liberal blog. It’s a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory. And since we haven’t gotten any of that from the current crew, we’re one more thing: a reform blog. The battle for the party is not an ideological battle. It’s one between establishment and anti-establishment factions. And as I’ve said a million times, the status quo is untenable”

I would not say “anything.” But when an outrageous subject is started and many, many, many posters join in in a similar vein, one can’t help but wonder. Our own getalife was banned from there for supporting Hillary.

By Mike

September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

“In fact, anything now posted on DailyKos is quickly seized upon to personify liberal thought on the matter, and in fact has been cited as such by posters on this blog.”

It isn’t just the Daily Kos. It is the Washington Post and the New York Times comment section too. There is plenty of liberal hate speech in mainstream publications. Ever visit the “OnFaith” section of the Post? Hundreds of liberals mocked the death of Tony Snow and currently wish for the death and damnation of Bob Novak.

There are right wing nuts, but as this forum and many others demonstrate , liberal hate speech is not limited to Daily Kos.

By RW-(the original)

September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Mrs.G,

Ever thought of trying to educate yourself?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

which the McCain camp then turned into a wholescale denunciation of the media and the left.

Come on now, we are talking about the McCain campaign not the Conservative media.

You aren’t a paid staffer of the Oblahma campaign now are you?

I’m sure that Redstate isn’t either.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

I know I’m off topic….

In Michigan they are using foreclosure lists to cage votes.

In Florida they are targeting snowbirds.

In Wisconsin, McCain campaign sent out fake absentee ballots to democrats….

In New Jersey tens of thousands people were notfied that their registrations were no good

In Virginia McCain campaign trying the same tricky absentee ballot trick… also they told students if they registered to vote in their college towns their parents could not claim them as dependents.

an awful lot of election fraud boys and girls

especially in swing states

By T

September 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original)

You might have me there. This article names specifics, but seems a little sketchy So, I retract that statement until there is something more concrete. Seems it could be hearsay or an angry ex-employee. We shall see.

By cc

September 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Okay Midori spare me the “I’m a victim” of my race. I’m probably the only black woman NOT voting for the Messiah. Let me enlighten you regarding your so call great black leader. If elected he will be the first Arab-American President. Obama is 50% white from his mother’s side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African from his father’s side. Even though his father was from Kenya, his father’s family was mainly Arabs. His father is 12.50% African and 87.75% Arab. Check out his birth certificate. It even states he’s an Arab not African. Also Obama lied about never practiced Islam. He did and daily at school. He was also registered as a muslim and kept the faith for 31 years till his wife made him change to run for office. So don’t give me this racist crap. You’re just another black person blaming everyone else for your own failures in life. So now you wan to elect a person who will redistribute income for your benefit from hard working people who are over achievers and believe in working for a living instead of depending on the government for a hand out. Like Katrina victims with is a bunch of bull. If they couldn’t get out too bad on them. It’s not my responsibility to take care of low lifes including the bums downtown in Atlanta.

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

RW ….AFter you.

Fact Check says:

She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a “What if?” question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin’s first term.

Time Magazine says:

“She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving “full support” to the mayor.

Let’s see….both Fact Check and Time say she asked a “what if”…..

neither say she was fired.

Have you ever tried to un-indoctrinate your self?

By cc

September 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Okay Midori spare me the “I’m a victim” of my race. I’m probably the only black woman NOT voting for the Messiah. Let me enlighten you regarding your so call great black leader. If elected he will be the first Arab-American President. Obama is 50% white from his mother’s side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African from his father’s side. Even though his father was from Kenya, his father’s family was mainly Arabs. His father is 12.50% African and 87.75% Arab. Check out his birth certificate. It even states he’s an Arab not African. Also Obama lied about never practiced Islam. He did and daily at school. He was also registered as a muslim and kept the faith for 31 years till his wife made him change to run for office. So don’t give me this racist crap. You’re just another black person blaming everyone else for your own failures in life. So now you wan to elect a person who will redistribute income for your benefit from hard working people who are over achievers and believe in working for a living instead of depending on the government for a hand out. Like Katrina victims with is a bunch of bull. If they couldn’t get out too bad on them. It’s not my responsibility to take care of low lifes including the bums downtown in Atlanta.

By Paul

September 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

T 2:31

Nice link. There was a header that read “Bill O Reilly Defends Obama, Slams Smears.”

Was that link the Huffington Post or the Twilight Zone?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Well, you can kiss Oblahma’s rear end good bye:

Former President Clinton shared sandwiches at his office in Harlem with Barack Obama on Thursday and predicted that the Democrat will win the presidential race “pretty handily.”

Nobody that Klintoon has campaigned for has ever won, he has been the kiss of death for all comers.

Number two, can you not sense the utter desperation of turning to a man who just a few short months ago said you hadn’t done the “spade” work required to run for president?

This is starting to get ugly.

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

Vote fraud? BS.

Links please?

By Copyleft

September 11, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

It’s 9/11.

And, as millions of clueless Americans prepare to actually reward the Republican Party for their stellar leadership since that tragic day, it’s appropriate to stop and reflect on this:

“Where’s Osama?”

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Sunshine and thunder

Your are right…vote fraud issue is BS.

Election Fraud issue is real

Perhaps you missed this from last year

Here’s something a little more current

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

AND SUNSHINE AND THUNDER

there’s this

Nearly 600,000 Subject to Possible Caging in Ohio

and this is very informative

Voter caging is a long-recognized, controversial Republican voter suppression tactic which has often been used to target minority voters in heavily Democratic precincts. It is a practice whereby a political party or campaign sends mail that can’t be forwarded to a targeted group of registered voters—often minorities. A “caging list” of those whose mail is returned “undelivered” is then used as the basis for getting them taken off the voter rolls, on the grounds that the voter does not live at the address where he or she is registered. There is evidence that caging lists were assembled in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania during the 2004 elections, possibly intended as the basis for massive voter eligibility challenges. While the Senate recently unveiled a bill aimed at preventing the practice of voter caging, Republican officials maintain that voter caging is part of what they describe as “ballot security” measures necessary to combat voter fraud. So far, the Justice Department has failed to uncover significant evidence of widespread voter fraud in America.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 11, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

You ever go to Freerepublic, Mike?

By sunshine and thunder

September 11, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

MRS GODZILLA

Your first link was too old. Your second link described how legitimate officials try to prevent people from voting from abandoned houses.

Your third link described a mailing technique that was used to determine if a voter truly lived at the address noted.

Why do you democRATs hate it so when someone asks that voters be simply verified???

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

sunshine and thunder

First link establishes guilt by admission but you won’t ever be able to accept that.

Second link shows just how low the GOP can go. Some of these folks are living in shelters, in their cars and on the street, but you ARE willing to accept that.

Third link…read a little more carefully and fourth well I suspected it was above your pay grade.

Some folks will never learn, and they and you will, if allowed to, will ruin our democracy.

May God have mercy on your soul.

By Bud Wiser

September 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

So Mrs G, since you’re so up on this potential voting fraud thing and all, just between you and me, how do you Democrats get so many dead people to vote every election cycle? Are you guys magical, mystical, or just plain fraudulent and fake?

you’ve got that magic touch

By mike hussein smith

September 11, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

Sunshine & Thunder, I read the WSJ editorial (thanks for prompt). They seemed to basically agree with what I said: there’s nothing remarkable to find in Obama’s Columbia days.

By marko

September 11, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Jay, I Know what you’re saying, but America isn’t being well served by one Republican party; it sure as hell not going to be better off with two. Grand Pa Munster would rather lose an election than a war, and I’d rather lose an election than my self respect.

By Frederick Douglass

September 11, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

So Tony called Obama Sambo, so what? If Bozo could run this country for 8 years, I for one think Sambo can too.

By Mighty Mouse

September 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Jay B: “Do I have that technique right? Anything I’m missing here?”

A: A cogent unbiased thought

By J. Greg

September 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Right on the money, Jay.