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DEL.ICIO.USPalin lies could lead to Bridge to Oblivion
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sarah Palin is out on the campaign trail, this time in Ohio, still repeating the lie that she rejected federal funding for that infamous bridge in Alaska.
“I told Congress, ‘Thanks but no thanks’ for that Bridge to Nowhere up in Alaska,” she said in a speech today. “If our state wanted a bridge, we were gonna built it ourselves.”
Yet even today’s Wall Street Journal, that bastion of liberal, pro-terrorist, anti-American ideology, reaches the only conclusion possible on the facts available:
“Despite significant evidence to the contrary, the McCain campaign continues to assert that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told the federal government ‘thanks but no thanks’ to the now-famous bridge to an island in her home state….,” the Journal states.
The Journal also makes clear that Palin only abandoned the project AFTER Congress had killed federal funding for it, and that “she did not return the federal money. She just allocated it elsewhere.” As late as last September, Palin was complaining that criticism of the project had been unfair, claiming that “much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here.”
In other words, it was never “thanks, but no thanks.” It was “thank you very much, and now give me some more.”
As the McCain campaign points out, both Barack Obama and Joe Biden have requested earmarks and voted for earmarks. Neither is anything close to pure on this issue. But neither Democrat is claiming otherwise. They aren’t trying to deny reality. Nor are they trying to construct their entire political identity on that falsehood.
Palin — with the full backing and support of the McCain campaign — is doing herself longterm political damage with this ploy. The American people are watching her repeatedly lie to them, day after day, and watching her do so with no apparent compunction. This is her introduction to the national scene; this is when her image is being cemented into the public mind.
And her image is increasingly that of a guiltless liar.
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By jmoss
September 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Once again, as a Respectable Republican, I ask my fellow Republicans to speak out about the lies that Palin and McCain are spreading around. Are they calling me stupid? How are they going to reform our party by acting in this manner of deceit? Our own Rick Davis admitted Sunday that McCain is running on the exact same policies of George Bush. That vindicates the fact that John McCain is running for the 3rd term of George Bush. I’m looking for the truth, but it’s hard to find in our party.
By RealityKing
September 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
But…, where’s the bridge??
By Copyleft
September 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Since when has lying been a problem for far-right candidates? Remember, Jay: they’re trying to appeal to evangelical conservatives.
Logic and hypocrisy mean NOTHING to those people. They’re positively eager to be lied to so they can vote for the candidate who “FEELS” righteous.
McLame was in trouble before he selected Palin, because he had no inherent appeal to the fact-challenged religious right. You don’t think mere FACTS are going to matter to voters like that at this point, do you?
By Andy S
September 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Wow are you allowed to say this? I mean won’t the GOP pressure you into keeping your mouth shut.
J/k I applaud you for being 1 of the first to tell the truth! Especially in a southern state!
Good Lord she has 2 major lies on the books and yet no one mentions a thing. Its all “Palin makes McCain happy” and “Palin is hot”. God its awful. I commend you on real journalism!
By RealityKing
September 9, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Come on Jay…, let’s discuss real issues and real lies.
-> The federal budget deficit will jump by $246 billion to $407 billion this year under the 110th Democratically led Congress. The very same one that promised to balance the budget. The CBO attributes the more than doubling to “a substantial increase in spending…
By Gerald
September 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Dude, attacking Palin isn’t going to work. If you want McCain to win or even increase his margin so that he can claim a mandate and maybe even have coattails, keep it up. Otherwise, focus your attacks on McCain while finding ways to praise Palin wherever possible.
Palin is the voters’ dream: a candidate with an actual record of accomplishment who has not been in politics long enough to have been tainted by the system, and has also has these accomplishments in a place that is oh so unlike Washington D.C. (or New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.)
Whether that dream is reality is anyone’s guess. The point is that there is not time before now and election day to shatter that dream. Palin is a candidate that not only everyone likes but everyone WANTS to like. In other words, what Obama was this time last year. But you do not have 18 months for A) voters to get sick of the fawning coverage and B) to come up with embarrassing things like William Ayers or Jeremiah Wright to crystallize in the public conscience. Instead, attacks like this will only cause people to like Palin more and to vote for McCain just to spite people like you.
Right now, you guys have only a small shot at winning. McCain’s lead is in double digits, and no, Obama is not going to outperform a seasoned veteran in the debates. Obama is no Gore or Kerry in terms of experience, and McCain is certainly no George W. Bush. Your only shot is to hammer McCain, remind voters that he, not Palin, will be the one in the oval office and that Palin will have little influence either in the oval office, on Capitol Hill, or even in her own party.
Palin certainly is compelling and interesting, if elected she wouldn’t actually DO much of anything. Her role would be much smaller than that of Cheney, Gore, George H. W. Bush, or even Quayle and Mondale. McCain would be the most powerful and singular chief executive, then, since the Nixon administration, taking us back to the time that all the vice president did was attend funerals for heads of lesser important states and fundraisers for heads of much more important corporations. Is that what people want?
The problem is that most people would rather have Palin in a minor role than Biden or Obama in a major one. But that is the only game plan that you got, other than bloodying up McCain, so you might as well go with it. Maybe Obama can start running the ads that Romney and Giuliani ran against him in Iowa and Florida, and George W. Bush ran against him in 2000. If something like that doesn’t work, it will be 4 more years for the GOP.
By the way, I am not a GOPer or a Democrat for that matter. Which makes me all the more qualified to tell you that your dog won’t hunt.
By Swami Dave
September 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Gee CopyLeft…..about which “facts” would you be addressing that the “religious right” wants to be lied to?
I cannot comment on whether Palin did or did not support the now infamous bridge, but I do know that it would -not- be standard process for a state to have returned any previously allocated money.
For the record and straight-forwardness, do we know where that money was spent in Alaska? Specifically, as it relates to whether or not stories about liberals doing the same thing would not be highlighting the benefit of where the money went.
Just trying to keep to a level field….
-Swami Dave
By JD
September 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
“Liar”
“Criticism from the Wall Street Journal”
Two signs that a GOP politician has gone way over the line wrt truth/honesty.
Republicans have no dignity or honor. Karl Rove is their only God these days.
By real trooper
September 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
From Factcheck.org…
We checked the accuracy of McCain’s speech accepting the Republican nomination and noted the following:
McCain claimed that Obama’s health care plan would “force small businesses to cut jobs” and would put “a bureaucrat … between you and your doctor.” In fact, the plan exempts small businesses, and those who have insurance now could keep the coverage they have.
McCain attacked Obama for voting for “corporate welfare” for oil companies. In fact, the bill Obama voted for raised taxes on oil companies by $300 million over 11 years while providing $5.8 billion in subsidies for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels.
McCain said oil imports send “$700 billion a year to countries that don’t like us very much.” But the U.S. is on track to import a total of only $536 billion worth of oil at current prices, and close to a third of that comes from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.
He promised to increase use of “wind, tide [and] solar” energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He has said elsewhere that renewable sources won’t produce as much as people think.
He called for “reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs,” but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce.
He said Obama would “close” markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to “renegotiate” the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.
And who said McCain is a man of character?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Petty ‘Publicans picked a peck of prevaricating Palin?
Perhaps perversely picking the peccant Palin purposefully!
Try this Palin, you’ll like him
We all deserve a chuckle!
By Copyleft
September 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Swami: Palin did support it—that is, until she was against it.
That’s the facts. And she’s lying about it—another fact.
And it won’t make a durn bit of difference to the clueless Bible-thumpers who finally have someone to cheer for. That’s a third fact.
President Obama is best served by abandoning the ignorant voters to their Republican masters, as usual. Stooping to their level just to win votes is distasteful.
By jasper
September 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
So she’s going through her Bill Ayers phase. Let’s see how she handles her Tony Rezko incident. Then we can always nail her in the season of Rev. Wrong.
By ByteMe
September 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
RealityKing: perhaps you should look at the FY2009 budget prepared by the White House. If you look closely at it, you’ll see a budget surplus in 2012. How is that possible, you ask? Look in the appendix. Seems the Bush Administration figured out how to get to a budget surplus… by expiring the Bush tax cuts on schedule in 2010. Without that, it’s a 500 BILLION dollar deficit from here until eternity.
Think about the honesty in the Republican Party position on those tax cuts and their concept of “fiscal responsibility” now. By the way, that’s the budget, so that’s what they think Congress should spend, which says they aren’t interested in cutting any “government waste” either.
By KBos
September 9, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
Finally someone speaks out I wish the major networks would follow suit and not let the GOP intimidate them.
By TW
September 9, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
Any pulse that may have remained in the GOP after eight years of ‘w’ jumping up and down on it has clearly been silenced by McCain’s VP call. Did he really think he could parade a Barbie Doll around for eight weeks without anybody asking anything?
Clearly, Senator McCain’s error in judgement disqualifies him for the leader of our country. But on a medical level, he may seriously want to get himself a brain scan. Yes, it was that bad.
God I miss the real Republicans - when a man’s word meant something.
By NotABanker
September 9, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Did Sarah have lipstick on when modeling her “bridge to nowhere” shirt?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Several news agencies, including the AP and the Hill, gave Palin credit for cutting the bridge out of Alaska’s budget in 2007 and telling Don Young in Congress “thanks, but no thanks.”
Yawn.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Jay
If you would spend just half the time going after Democrat lies as you do Republican (they both do but it’s a matter of volume), I am convinced you would soon become one of us.
Why don’t you just try it for one week or is that asking too much ??
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Jay, I thought we had already properly covered this issue. The simple truth is that Palin is not lying when she says that she said “…thanks, but no thanks…”. She really did say those words just like that and that is not a lie. You have to understand how the Republican mind works. It hurts to go there but it helps in understanding their perverted thought processes.
By Martha Toon
September 9, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
How quickly common sense gets thrown to the wind when someone speaks of my governor in Alaska and how she’s all about change and foreign policy. Sarah Palin doesn’t have any experience with Russia whatsoever that would benefit anyone in the US. Alaska has reached out for years with sister city campaigns in order to embrace, and get to know, our Russian everyday people as neighbors. However, you need to really get a feel for how huge this state is and how small our population in order to understand how these foreign policy statements are not only untrue, they are really beginning to sound ridiculous and stupid when the facts are readily available. We have absolutely nothing to do with Russian borders - we can only fly there.
Ms. Palin slipped in under a lot of Alaskans’ radar in the last election because somehow this state elected another blatantly corrupt politician, Frank Murkowski as our governor. Mr. Murkowskis’ hubris was so great as to believe that he could not be taken down (just as Congressmen Young and Ted Stevens believe). Mr. Murkowski underestimated the ability of a newcomer to unseat him. Ms.Palin, right after being elected, did popularly go after Gov. Murkowski’s corrupt policies and appointments of unqualified commissioners. However she has gone on to make some imperious choices and gets a little more rabid about her beliefs every day. Under her administration, the Student Health Services in our Universities now charge $50/mo for birth control for students instead of $5. She could certainly be the harbinger of change in this respect. Her administration is targeting funding for family planning throughout the state. This has just been the beginning of an assault on choice in out state.
If a voter is voting party line and only party line, then there is no hope of getting those people to think and question, but for those of you who haven’t decided yet, do not embrace our governor so quickly and GET TO KNOW HER and her policies. There are MANY of us Alaskans who do not know her ourselves and in order to understand that you need to understand the geography of the state. As an Alaskan resident of almost 30 years, having lived in two hugely different parts of the state, and whose mother’s family is Aleut native born and raised here - I urge you to not let yourselves be fooled by the light bulb wave and screechy voice that promotes the idea of change or experience. GET THE FACTS. Gov. Palin has been accused of terrible biases and personal vendettas which are being investigated. It’s not time to put someone in White House that you don’t know. Please educate yourselves and question all that you see right now. Don’t fall for “all that glitters is gold”. Please exercise the rights of all of our citizens to THINK, then vote. Please remember how important this choice is not only for you personally, your family, your career - but also for the entire planet. More is happening in the world right now with global economy and potential wars than at any time since the Cold War. Please get out and vote!
By GodHatesTrash
September 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
And her image is increasingly that of a guiltless liar.
Governor L-o-l-a - Dumbya in Drag.
LOL!
By real trooper
September 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Again, from Factcheck.org
Palin is lying for all that have not researched the Bridge to Nowhere.
Palin may have said “Thanks, but no thanks” on the Bridge to Nowhere, though not until Congress had pretty much killed it already. But that was a sharp turnaround from the position she took during her gubernatorial campaign, and the town where she was mayor received lots of earmarks during her tenure.
Stop the lies!
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
Jay
P.S. I challenge you to have the guts to come up with just one important thing Obama has lied about.
I say again, they all do it! Are you so blind to partisanship and fairness that you won’t throw one out there ?
By chessie
September 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
They know that if they say it long enough, the Republican herd will believe it.
By GOPs got to go
September 9, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
I bet those News Sources are Rush, Sean and Fox.
By ByteMe
September 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Martha Toon, but doesn’t the fact that she’s hot and feisty count for anything?? What kind of presidential race would this be without one of the candidates being that hot? Answer: Dull. At least Gov. Jugs isn’t boring to look at.
By Palin is our Savior
September 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Palin is a hottie. What other reason do u stupid people need to vote? In fact, just stay home and let God pick. Palin represents all women. She stands behind the teaching of morality. She believes those little tramps that get themselves pregnant have no “choice” at that point on what to do with the gift of life in their wombs! And that includes those little teases that get raped or decide to have incestous relationships. She knows her place, and will follow McCain’s lead, just as McCain will follow the enlighten policies of George Bush!
By WichitaLineman
September 9, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Thank you so much for this post. I am a registered republican and thought Palin was exactly the kind of other republican I worried about before I heard about the lies, now I know she’s exactly the kind of other republican that makes me sick.
By Steve21442
September 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
You and the rest of your socialist left-wing idiots have never been ones to let a complete lack of truth get in the way of your drivel. Why don’t the whole lot of you move to North Korea, where your ideology is accepted and practiced. Give the rest of us a break.
By RN
September 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
Forget the bridge??? Give up the lie, and …
SHOW ME THE MONEY!
John McCain has not made the sale. It is time for Sarah Palin to meet the press and to explain who she really is. She may have easily gotten the votes of white women, but this white male conservative demands to know that she can stand before the press and answer questions convincingly.
If she can’t handle the press today, how will she handle a Russian when he bangs his shoe on the table?
Otherwise, I’m left asking, “Where’s the beef?”
By David
September 9, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
Palin’s lies???? What’a the matter Jay? Afraid of having to look for a job when the mullet-wrapper of a newspaper goes under? So, you start sensationalizing headlines to get attention for yourself. Here’s some news for ya….it aint working….Sarah Palin is taking the country by storm! And..your guy, Barry “I got some big ears” Obama will be left in her dust. Oh…by the way….good luck finding a job in print media. HaHaHA!!
By Michael
September 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
Love the people who keep repeating the “liberal press” BS. The news lately has been nothing but “all Palin, all the time”. Thanks for pointing out the fact that shes a known liar.
By Bill McIntire
September 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
America……..this election is a test. Are you stupid enough to buy into the Sarah Palin BS? Are you too much of a racist to vote for an African-American?
The saying goes something like this: In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.
I hope to God that we wake up & realize that we do not want another Republican President.
By jmoss
September 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
To the Corporal Thanks for telling the truth. Yes, both parties stretch the truth. And, our Republican party is no exception. Except, that we are supposed to be the party of Christians who live by what we proclaim. I don’t care what Obama says when my party leaders are contradicting everything we stand for. Should they not be confronted about it or do we let them do as they will to win the election? Thanks
By jasper
September 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Martha, my dear. I guess that’s why this year she has an approval rating of almost 85%, and 70% among registered democrats.
By that measure alone there must be some shred of decency, honesty, and accomplishment in her. Otherwise, I’m glad Canada seperates us from Alaska, and they call the South backwards.
By GOPs got to go
September 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Dear Martha, I was not fooled one minute by the present Governor of Alaska. I could have been alright with McCain, but that woman scares the he11 out of me. Screechy is an understatement
By Michael
September 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Love the people who keep repeating the “liberal press” BS. The news lately has been nothing but “all Palin, all the time”. Thanks for pointing out the fact that shes a known liar.
By Wichitamoron
September 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Thanks for the post, I am a registered democrat and since you say that Sarah is a liar, I am now voting for McCain for sure.
Let’s get back to the good old days of the klintons!
By Lee
September 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
The Republicans are still trying to create their own reality.
They did it eight years ago, and they still think the people are stupid and will fall for it again.
Tell it like it is. The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
By ByteMe
September 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Jasper: I’m sure Fidel Castro has an approval rating in Cuba higher than Palin’s in Alaska. Does that make him the best person to be the VP of the United States?
By Brian W.
September 9, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
real trooper, Canada, Mexico, and the United Kingdom don’t like us very much. In fact, nobody does. Eight years of cowboy diplomacy will do that. So strictly speaking, McBush wasn’t lying that particular time.
By hh
September 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
Thanks but it seems only reporters are interested in lies. Public skips over it and thinks if they keep saying it, must be true. Is this Hilary dodging bullets in Sarajevo? Since few people read today, this just might work — making up stories that sound good with gret sound bites. A shame that McCain 2000 lost to McCain 2008, politics before country.
By Brian W.
September 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
real trooper, Canada, Mexico, and the United Kingdom don’t like us very much. In fact, nobody does. Eight years of cowboy diplomacy will do that. So strictly speaking, McBush wasn’t lying that particular time.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
I think Sarah Palin…and my mind wanders to Tom Eagleton.
It’s time for a discreet exit strategy for the poor old girl.
By Jeff in Orlando
September 9, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
It is getting very difficult to tell fact from fiction regarding Palin. Attention to all you Palin haters: chill. If there is something negative to all the allegations, the truth will come out eventually. The fact the left is reacting so viciously is they know Palin can turn the tide and deny the Democrats a victory. She must be destroyed at all costs. Leftists are hanging onto every statement before knowing if an allegation is true or not. In the process, all who do this look petty, venal and very stupid!
By Bosch
September 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Whatever you want to say about Palin, so be it, but the latest poll numbers are showing that it is working and proving once again that the average American voter is ignorant.
The media can say all they want about precious Palin, but the GOP base has their cheerleader, it revived their spirit, it brought out the freaky fundamentalists and unfortunately for Obama, I feel, cost him the Presidency.
By Capt. C.N. Lusterman
September 9, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
It appears that that this “rag” that once was formally a news paper and its present board, are loading up on the “Kool-Aid”. It’s one thing to be in the tank for Obama,spinning stories about his competition is a sorry state of affairs ,even if you attempt to make like you are a real newspaper ,maybe a little truth will help. Thank You
By John Penney
September 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Bookman on Bookman, a sad case of ultra Liberal. When all is lost,cry foul. Give Sarah Palin her due. She is a very smart, attractive Lady. She is a Democratic nightmare. The backlash for people of Bookmans caliber will scar them all. Where have the true journalistic minds gone.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
JEFF IN ORLANDO
WHAT PART OF SHE LIED ABOUT THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, THE AP, THE WASHINGTON POST, CNN, have all acknowledged the fact.
Are you really and truly waiting for Moses to bring the word to you carved in stone tablets?
Do you want a written admission in her own blood?
Perhaps a burning azalea will tell you!
Perhaps we DO need a minimum awareness test for voters!
By professional skeptic
September 9, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Thanks, Martha Toon, for offering a local’s insight into Palin’s political history. I had never even seen a picture of the woman before McCain’s VP announcement. And now she’s the potential second-in-command of our nation?
If her status as a virtual unknown on the national scene wasn’t enough to make me… umm… skeptical, now it seems that the brightest point in her speech has been called into question. Certainly, if she had spoken or written the words “thanks, but no thanks” in response to the bridge money, she or her staff should be able to produce a letter, transcript, or other proof.
I’m also still eagerly awaiting details on the republican plan to improve our nation’s fiscal policy. The era of swiping the nation’s credit card at the taxpayers’ expense must come to an end. So far, the republicans have provided absolutely no indication that they intend to stop accumulating trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt for initiatives our nation cannot afford.
By Mary in Alpha
September 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
I had to read the banner a couple times to make sure I was really on the AJC site.
Thanks for the breath of fresh air from your usual fawning of Palin. I can’t even stand to open my morning paper these days.
By the way, I see her ratings are higher amongst men than women. Hmmmmm…what a surprise!!! Maybe the hockey mom strategy is bombing - which means they should go ahead and hike up her skirt a few inches. Maybe go get lasik surgery and ditch the glasses.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Ever watch a Law and Order episode where the attorney asks an involved question and demands “Just answer yes or no”? This is one of those cases. Regardless of what happened before – when she was in the role of mayor or new governor – she can claim, as Factcheck corroborates, “I said no thanks.”
A problem I see with this for the larger electorate is there has been so much factual assertion of shortcomings (the baby’s not hers, it’s her daughter’s, for instance) that many are skeptical of any new assertions. They just roll it in to the general noise level. Many voters don’t read a newspaper or follow television news and the certainly aren’t political junkie bloggers. So what they hear is another attack on Palin to add to the others. And it sounds like business as usual, undercutting Obama’s platform of ‘change.’
She has the highest approval rating of any governor. Many women have begun to identify with her. Labeling her a ‘liar’ in any area where there’s an inkling of an out – or the possibility some may see it simply as a difference of opinion – tends, I think, to drive up the sympathy factor.
Hey Bosch!
Catch the season premier of Terminator last night?
Other factors are at play – not Palin-related. Obama’s 19-point lead regarding who’s better at handling the economy has all but evaporated. Probably one reason he went on O’Reilly (where he’s doing well and BOR defends him against some of the nutty letter-writers or other guests) – to add more detail and substance. But I do think it’s time for a course correction – he’s got smart people running his campaign and they’ve plead with others to knock off these types of Palin attacks. If they don’t, his message will continue to be obscured.
By jasper
September 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G, you seem frazzled. Heretofore I’ve always admired the composure of your posts. But times changes.
This story is just not gaining traction. The liberal hate machine has essentially dropped it and has sicked its attack dogs on her former church. Where’d they get that idea?
In the meantime the momentum builds, crowds swell, polling numbers climb, donations poor in like someone broke the pinata. Popularity will steamroll throught these negatives just like Obama did through his. Its the timing of the crescendo that will be critical.
The bloom is off Obama’s rose for the moment. Will be interesting to see if he can get it back.
By CJ
September 9, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Jeff in Orlando said: “If there is something negative to all the allegations, the truth will come out eventually.”
The truth has come out, but “Jeff in Orlando” and his friends on the right aren’t interested. Despite their feigned respect for the Ten Commandments (which includes something about bearing false witness), these so-called Christians (i.e. Bush’s 28 percenters) couldn’t care less whether or not their candidates are serial liars if it gets their nonsensical ideology renewed representation in the White House.
By Bosch
September 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Hey Paul -
Nope, I missed it. I looked through the channels for it, but couldn’t find it - what channel again? What time? Do they replay the episodes at any time?
All this is so depressing to me - the Democrats have always had a way of imploding and losing elections that are only theirs to lose. There is absolutely no reason at all that Obama shouldn’t be 30 points ahead of McCain at this point.
By LoooseyGooosey
September 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a women! We expect women to lie, overlooking them based soley on their sex appeal.
And oh boy.., WOW! WHAT SEX APPEAL!!
By demwit
September 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
I’m more worried about her turning 50! A menapasal women is not what America needs in the White House… Who knows, she could start having hot flashes and invade Georgia, here, by mistake!!
By sunshine and thunder
September 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Barack and Michelle Obama are Columbia, Princeton, Harvard Law School, affirmative action food stamp hustlers.
Sarah and Todd Palin are salt of the earth, public school, union member, executive quality people and kill their own food.
Michelle finally became proud of her country when her man was one election away from the big prize.
Sarah was born proud of her country.
Barack has more flip flops than a cheap souvenier stand at Panama City Beach.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
jasper
Frazzled? I guess so.
Like standing next to some guy under the blue Georgia sky and having him tell you there’s no proof the sky is blue.
Funny thing about hope….I even have it for the hopeless.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
Bosch
8 o’clock ET, Fox. I missed the first couple minutes but it was a recap of last season. I didn’t see a replay listed for this week but evidently it is available online:
Link: Terminator
I think the last paragraph of your 2:49 hit a lot of valid points. Kinda funny, I was watching a panel of journalists (mix of libs and cons) a couple weeks before the convention and they were asked if McCain could co-opt and pull off the ‘change’ theme. Every one said “not a chance.” Not often they’re all wrong.
Imploding? Few weeks back I said it appeared they were again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I think you’re correct - Palin energized a bunch of people . Personal anectdote - my wife, bigtime Obama supporter, can’t stand McCain one bit - don’t bother to ask her any policy or issue questions, it’s just something visceral - watched Palin, watched the resulting attacks, and the other day said she’d ‘think’ about voting the ticket (her reaction to Biden isn’t far off her reaction to McCain, though).
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
demwit
You sound like Mr. G!
It wouldn’t so much be the hot flashes as the mood swings….
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
“affirmative action food stamp hustlers….”
Any more questions, ladies and gentlemen? I thought not.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
sunshine and thunder
perhaps you should read more
like this
76 flip flops…..
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Did Palin Promote Alaska National Guard General Because He Changed His Tone To Support Her Credentials?
New day, new scandal?
Scandal du Jour?
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
RealityKing, you wouldn’t be posting under false colors in order to discredit the opposition, now would you? It would take a pretty dim wit to try such a scheme.
By swolf4810
September 9, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Palin….Dick Chenney in drag.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla 3:39
Another area Dems shouldn’t go. After all the talk of the “Clinton generals” and the impact they had (or didn’t have) in going head to head when challenged by Rumsfeld - (‘course, one can also make the case plenty got promoted on Bush’s watch who were ‘yes’ men, too) well, let’s just say the governor ‘owns’ the Guard and has a lot of latitude in who gets promoted and who doesn’t. For the top spots.
By Mike
September 9, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
LOL. Tell us again about those nasty old Republicans, Jay.
Do you ever stop to think that it is an astounding coincidence that anyone who is running against your chosen candidate is not only the wrong choice, but is a morally flawed person?
There is no volume control in your partisan outrage meter. All Republicans are bad, all the time.
It’s funny to see the real extreme partisans like yourself revert to nastier and nastier personal attacks. Your repeated accusations that Palin is a ” liar” is actually bettered by Bob Herbert’s bitter tirade today, in which he labeled Republicans “trogdolytes”.
Your utter lack of tolerance is pathetic. Hopefully the AJC will come to its senses and follows MSNBC’s lead and place less emphasis on predictable partisan pundits and more emphasis on news.
By Bosch
September 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I like McCain alright. I would never vote for him NOW, was ready to give him a shot 8 years ago, but this woman makes me want to vomit.
But it’s working and that’s just simply pathetic.
I think people really don’t want change. I think it has to do with the fact that as long as YOU are okay, then things are cool with most.
And when things aren’t cool with YOU, then it’s easy to blame the opposition.
It goes to the core of what a Democrat is vs. what a Republican is:
Democrat = Democracy - every one included
Republican = Republic - everyone votes for a leader to make their decision for them.
Democrats look more like socialists than Republicans because they want an even playing field for all.
Republicans think - like in a Republic - that there are those who are meant to lead (and corporations make jobs for the little people) - and to me, the way the system is now, look much more like fascists.
It’s just a difference of philosophy and of course all this is IMHO of course.
By Bill Anderson
September 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
“had the courage to admit that she was wrong “
She had the courage to admit she was wrong AFTER the bridge became a national joke and AFTER congress removed the earmark. She never refused congressional money for the bridge; her “Thanks but no thanks” line is a flat-out lie.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Panic!
It’s no surprise, then, that Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin’s hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.
Worried, are we?
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Add Rueters to the list of media outlets that acknowledge the lie….
By Midori
September 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I really hate to see you like this.
Calm down - out of their convention, a bounce was expected.
In the meantime, let’s see that famous, beautiful Bosch smile
By Paul
September 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Just when I thought this thread had played out you go and invigorate it!
I still think this is a pretty volatile electorate - lots can still happen. I think though, in basic philosophy, it’s more of a sea-change for Reps than for Dems. Sure we have an African-American on one ticket and a woman on the other - and say what you will about Palin appealing to what many call ‘core’ Republicans - still, the voters selected as their standard bearer one who was seen by many as on the outside looking in and who didn’t always embrace ‘traditional’ Rep positions..
Personally, I’d like to see the return of the Rockefeller Republicans and the conservative Democrats - with influence. But after Delay for the Reps and the MoveOns for the Dems I’m not sure we’ll get there anytime soon.
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
hey DUH @ 4:02
OH NO!!!
The Democrats are vetting the GOP Veep candidate!
Heavens to betsy…it just can’t be!
Call the militia!
Call the national guard!
By Paul
September 9, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management
You’d think after Bush v Gore the Dems’d learn to not always reach for the lawyers first. Or if they do reach, to grab better ones than the Reps have.
Midori
Triumphe is great! He did a long, hilarious routine outside a Star Wars convention. If you really wanna get concerned about giving everyone the vote check out some of the characters:
Link: Truimph vs Star Wars Geeks
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
So, the Republican strategy is to just lie. In other words, what you’re saying is that the Republican strategy is to give us more of the same. It could work. I mean, it has worked so far. Why break from a winning strategy. Who doesn’t want to believe that an upright member of the community and a fine outstanding Christian will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Don’t you want to believe, Jay? I want to believe and I have even believed but now there is nothing left to believe. Republicans can no longer be trusted. They have chosen a path that is opposite my beliefs. They believe the end justifies the means. They have practiced it over and over and they will continue to practice it. So, all I can think of to say, truthfully, is thanks, but no thanks.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Pulling the Curtain on Palin
John McCain’s campaign acknowledged this weekend that Sarah Palin is unprepared to be vice president or president of the United States.
Of course, McCain’s people said no such thing. But their actions told you all you needed to know.
McCain, Barack Obama and Joe Biden all subjected themselves to tough questioning on the regular Sunday news programs. Palin was the only no-show. And it’s not just the Sunday interviews. She has not opened herself to any serious questioning since McCain picked her to be next in line for the presidency.
McCain’s advisers clearly don’t trust Palin to answer questions about policy and don’t want her to answer many of the questions that have been raised about her tenure as governor of Alaska.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC-M,
That 4:02 brings up a point that you and I were discussing the other day about donations. You can still donate to the compliance fund for the Democrats start filing the frivolous lawsuits.
Jay B,
It’s going to become increasingly difficult to stay on topic if you’re going to write the same column day in and day out.
I’ll carry Paul’s message a bit further. Not only does this get lost in the noise with all the more absurd lies being told about Governor Palin in the general public, your leftist contributers undermine your message the same way right here on your very own blog.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
hey Paul,
thanks for that Star Wars link :)
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
from Atrios
“On the same day that dozens of news organizations have exposed Governor Palin’s phony Bridge to Nowhere claim as a ‘naked lie,’ she and John McCain continue to repeat the claim in their stump speeches. Maybe tomorrow she’ll tell us she sold it on eBay,” said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.”
By RealityKing
September 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
Of course it is Jay, good catch. All’s fair in love and politics.
Was it the gmail address? I was testing.., although my sentence structuring is pretty hard to miss. And don’t bother to write down that ipa. That’s the thing about scientific data modeling, it takes multitudes of computers, hundreds, kinda like in Matrix II, Me, Me, Me..
Other masqueraders?? Careful.
By Lewis
September 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Jay, Jay, Jay, from your comments, I can tell you’re obviously living in a reality based world. When are you going to learn that the republicans live in a non-reality based world (sort of like Second Life except everyone looks like Ronald Reagan). These worlds are wonderful places, where Iraq is a free, peaceful democracy, wealth trickles down, and republicans are fiscally responsible. Not only that, in those worlds, Palin isn’t an unqualified lightweight phony. She is a reformer who said NO! to the Bridge to nowhere and the 228 mil accompanying it.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin: Maverick to Nowhere
By Mrs. Godzilla
September 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Great Question for Palin from the Alaska Daily News:
In spring of 2004, the Daily News reported that you cited family considerations in deciding not to try for the U.S. Senate: “How could I be the team mom if I was a U.S. senator?” What was different this time as you decided to run for vice president?
Verrrry Interesting!
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
To jmoss:
Yes - that’s my point. Anyone (Republican or Democrat) who is spreading a lie or just being slick/disigenuous should be called out on it. However, if done fairly and consistently (including by Jay Bookman), the difference in volume of Democrats over Republicans would be astounding.
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
All right now. No more reporting of the absurd lies told by Palin or McCain. Only report on the un-absurd lies they tell. And, by all means, you left wing contributors to this left wing blog should be ashamed of yourselves for undermining Jay’s message. Now stay on message, Palin lies and she’s on a bridge to oblivion. Now, this is the last of the times that you should need to be reminded of that. The End. You got that.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
Midori
I almost fall off my chair laughing each time I watch it. Incredibly, I feel a bit… uneasy watching parts of it. Almost like I’m taking part in making fun of people who don’t know any better - and who take themselves so seriously.
(This is where you say “you mean like on this blog?)
By TC
September 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
This just in on Sarah Palin:
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense battalion of the Alaska Nation Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It’s on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues,homeland security, and counter terrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden’s.
She’s also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force(ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security’s counter terrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country’s defense. Given Alaska’s proximity to Russia, she may have security clearances we don’t even know about.
Sounds like a very strong commander in chief to me.
By Jon
September 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
It saddens me that our Grand Old Party has been reduced to wiretapping, warmongering, waterboarding, and MORE LIES. This is like the claim that she sold the Govenor’s Jet on EBAY for a profit. It was sold at a loss by someone else after appearing 3x on EBay without bid. MORE LIES? I have had to re-register as an Independent because I just cannot be associated with this madness. I am so disappointed. McCain has pointed his finger at Democrats for being celebrities…and Palin now has an action figure? This campaign is not about ISSUES, it’s about IMAGE. What has America come to?
By professional skeptic
September 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
Lewis @ 4:23,
Here’s another example of the fantasy world you describe.
Still makes me laugh some two years after the fact!
By RealityKing
September 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
The difference is that Mr.Palin is now the team mom!!
You libs are going to have to do better than this if you want Sarah Barracuda for dinner..
By Bosch
September 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Midori -
OMG - I’ve got tears rolling down my face right now. That was hilarious. I loved Triumph with Lynn Swanson. “Are you lost? It’s okay, I once went to a cat convention.”
Wolf Blitzer: “I respect you for not giving up your porn name.”
And the gift bag - “Shares of Exxon and 2 slaves.”
Oh God, thank you Midori! That really cheered me up.
Paul,
Sure the Republicans voted for McCain, but that was largely without the evangelicals in the mix - they voted for Huckabee. It’s just sad to me to see the voters falling for the obvious reasons he picked Palin - not because she’s anything brilliant, but because she’s a woman evangelical - and despite her obvious flaws, the voters don’t care - she’s one of them. I know I shouldn’t write this, but damn, evangelicals are such suckers (I was going to type something worse, but thought better of it)!
If people really looked at the issues and really thought about what it means to be a Democrat vs. a Republican and the many layers that involves within each issue — but to vote for her only because she is a woman and only because she’s pretty and only because she’s an evangelical - it’s absurd - it shows how completely ignorant people are.
but now, our government is controlled by corporations and lobbyists who pay millions to the government official (in both parties) who in turn vote in favor of the corporations to continue bilking the taxpayer - all the time - they all get rich! It’s sweet for them (and sounds alot like fascism to me).
And in the meantime, the average American gets screwed.
Vote for the issues and get these frakking lobbyist fascists out of our capital!
By Paul
September 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Mrs Godzilla 4:25
[[What was different this time as you decided to run for vice president?]]
The promise of more power?
I’m looking forward to Palin v Hillary in 2012 -
By Erik K
September 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
And her image is increasingly that of a guiltless liar.
And a gutless liar also; too scared to face tough questions.
By jefflz
September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
This Karl Rove guy is a genius. He has turned the election into “THE NEW AMERICAN IDOL”. He has replaced a tiresome, dried-out old candidate who is too confused to get the facts straight, and created tremendous buzz about a know-nothing right-wing Christian fundamentalist who won a beauty contest. Instead of looking at the horrible record of the last 8 nightmarish Bush years we now want to find out who is the sexiest, who has the best one liner put-downs? Hey Kids, while the the economy is going down the tubes, people are losing their homes and jobs, and respect for this country is at an all time low, lets have a Popularity Contest!! Its just like High School, wow, kids this is fun. The heck with boring political stuff, lets go for the cute gal with the smart mouth (her words also provided by Rove). Wake up kids, four years of McCain/Palin will leave you and your families far worse off than you are now. Can you afford to play these childish but potentially lethal games??
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
OK, Corporal.
Name a lie of comparable audacity by Obama. Not something that’s a matter of interpretation — we need an outright baldfaced lie, like the Bridge statement.
And preferrably, ti would be a lie that he is repeating to this day, despite overwhelming evidence that it’s a falsehood.
You have your assignment. Let’s see what you come up with.
By Swami Dave
September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
Honestly, Jay. If would have expected better than your 3:34. Touting the ravings of one of the lunatic fringe as representative of your opposition voices is pretty low-brow.
So let me help you out - those were the intellectually vacant ravings from someone who apparently doesn’t like the candidate and has not spent the time or effort to find a reason to substantiate. Frankly, there are plenty of reasons to oppose Senator Obama and his candidacy that one has no need to make up lunatic claims.
And for consistency, I will not waste my time posting and highlighting comments / posts from equally lunatic liberal fringers who have nothing better to do in life than rail nonsensical attacks against Senator McCain & Governor Palin that they read on forum posts on DailyKos or MoveOn.org.
For my .02, neither group of fringers do their intended candidates any benefits by propogating their nonsense. It truly diminishes the impact of actual issues, statements, questions, or challenges when those previous are so factually laughable.
-Swami Dave (Truth, History, and Common Sense Refute Liberalism.)
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Anatomy of a Smear - Who are Dick and Sharon Price?
More lies about Sarah. OK, this one is a few days old, but it sheds a little light on what the Obama supporters, if not the camp itself, will do to smear an opponent.
By GodHatesTrash
September 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
It looks like Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana.
That’ll split the Montana white trash moron vote, so now Obama in a squeaker.
I hereby modify my Electoral College prediction. 2004 vs. 2008, Obama picks up NM, MT, loses PA. Obama loses 238-300.
Redneck trash still rules!
By professional skeptic
September 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Jefflz:
Actually, she came in second place in the beauty contest, but point well taken!
By Wayne
September 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
NEWS:
Obama will go to Alaska by end of this month, and walk on the “NOWHERE” bridge, and claim the lies.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Bosch 4:35
So McCain picks Palin because she’s a woman and can rally the religious and she’s a bit of a reformer.
I mean this nicely: so? How many pundits did we listen to who spoke about was it still important to pick a VP to deliver a particular state? Or with Biden - foreign policy knowledge? They all get picked to deliver something.
I still like this thought:
Guy’s a governor. Minimal national experience. Runs for president and picks an older white guy who’s been around for decades and knows the ins and outs of Washington and foreign policy. His VP makes noises about invading other countries but we all hope based on his other comments he’ll be careful and not get us in over our heads.
Bush and Cheney?
or
Obama and Biden?
Ready for a drink?
By lovelyliz
September 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
The bridge to nowhere simply became the taxpayer $$$ to something else in Alaska.
By Slingo
September 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
Obama’s going to loose.
He’s switched to defense instead of offense. He doesn’t even have time to tell his own lies and then switch back and forth. He’s behind in the polls and running out of money. Hillary won’t loan you any Barack she has her own problems. You should have taken her instead of Hairplug for vice Pres. you’d of been ahead by now. Sell the styrofoam columns on Ebay.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
In an election for President of the United States in North Carolina Tuesday, September 09, Republican John McCain suddenly and breathtakingly surges to a 20-point win over Democrat Barack Obama, 58% to 38%, according to this latest exclusive SurveyUSA election poll conducted for ABC11-WTVD.
I’m Barak Dukakis and I don’t approve of this message.
By Bosch
September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I mean this nice too, but duh. I know they all get picked for something.
Have I ever told you my disdain for the evangelical-type?
Sorry, that’s just one prejudice I still have “issues” with and can’t seem to work through - maybe I should go to therapy :-)
Past ready for a drink.
Later all!
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
Today, not even the most die-hard Palin lovers are trying to claim she’s telling the truth anymore.
Is there a single post to that effect in this thread?
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Jay B.,
Is that your new test? If you write the same column day after day and we don’t mindlessly bang out the same responses then somehow we agree with you?
As I said yesterday I’ll wait until she’s been asked, which she undoubtedly will by Schieffer since this meme seems to all you guys have, and decide how plausible her response is.
By jasper
September 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Jay - geez! Okay, she was for the bridge when she was running for Gov. Once Gov, and as it became apparent that the fed funding was not going to go through, she officially, in her capaciaty, pulled the plug on it. She can take just about any position she wants on this, but ultimately she turned it down. Embellishing is not lying, in politics or journalism.
By the way, Gordon Brown has unofficially endorsed Obama, as well as BBC poll out that favors Obama. Good fodder for your desperate efforts. No charge.
By Leroy Osmon
September 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
Take at look at her travel expense. $40,000 plus paid to her for staying home! Family travel paid for with tax dollars. The great reformer of the GOP!
By Leroy Osmon
September 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Take at look at her travel expense. $40,000 plus paid to her for staying home! Family travel paid for with tax dollars. The great reformer of the GOP!
By Paul
September 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Bosch
Ah, got it.
Jay,
Some would say shading the truth. Framing the situation in a way to her benefit. Putting herself in the best light. But not willing to say “Lie.”
I rather think that after the drumbeat of the last few years people are rather tired of hearing the word “lie” tossed about in every situation where there’s a disagreement.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Jay,
I’ll put it this way: if lying were a prosecutable offense, and this was the charge and this was the case, and I was sitting on a jury, having heard what I’ve read here:
could I vote ‘guilty’ beyond a reasonable doubt?
By jasper
September 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
Her official statement:
“I did not have sex with that bridge”
By DMAN
September 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
all politicos lie….”I did not have sex with that woman”…I’m concerned about what you bed wetting cry baby liberals going to do when you lose again…waaaaahhhhhh!!!!!
By Paul
September 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Leroy
One may think it improper, but it was evidently not illegal. The state determined her official duty station was Juneau.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Claiming that she told Congress “thanks but no thanks” is not a mere embellishment, Jasper. She told Congress no such thing. Congress had already yanked it.
It’s like me claiming that I turned down a date with Tea Leoni. Sounds good, but I can’t get credit for turning down something I never had a chance of getting in the first place.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Here’s a few off the top of my head for you Corporal, in no particular order.
Obama says that Iraq was never the central front in the war on terror, although al Qaeda has said it was.
Obama continues to say and even makes ads that make the claim that McCain seriously believes middle class goes up to $5 million a year.
Obama continues to say that McCain wants to keep spending $10 billion a month in Iraq forever.
Obama continues to say that’s a debate we want to have any time any where, which seems to be code for no where no how.
Obama continues to say that William Ayers was just a guy that lived in his neighborhood, but we may have an update on that one in about three hours.
Obama continues to promote the absurd notion that he can fund all of his promises and balance the budget just by soaking the top five percent. while giving everybody else a tax break (That one may fall under interpretation, but it would take a real moron to fall for that one)
By Paul
September 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original)
Are you seriously taking the position that anything a candidate tells the voters that isn’t an exact repeat of the exact words used in the original situation, including all contextual items, is a… lie?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
By JAY BOOKMAN September 9, 2008 4:57 PM Today, not even the most die-hard Palin lovers are trying to claim she’s telling the truth anymore. Is there a single post to that effect in this thread?
I already put one up there^^ but since you are willfully ignoring it:
September 21, 2007, Juneau, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today directed the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities to look for the most fiscally responsible alternative for access to the Ketchikan airport and Gravina Island instead of proceeding any further with the proposed $398 million bridge.
McBushie has set a trap for these libs, just watch.
By jasper
September 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
Jay - I liken it to her turning off the light switch, after the power has been cut off. Its still an official act, and she can and will take credit for it on the campaign trail. Its not a bold faced lie, like you’re trying to make it out to be. Nor is it in the same vicinity as the truth and nothing but the truth.
The truth is that there isn’t much here with which you can crucify her, and the bleating is becoming tiring.
Tea Leoni was hot in that asteroid movie, that light blue blouse, ooh!
By CJ
September 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
RW said, “Obama continues to promote the absurd notion that he can fund all of his promises and balance the budget just by soaking the top five percent. while giving everybody else a tax break…”
I have to laugh when Republican voters pretend to care about a balanced budget.
Both Obama’s and McCain’s plans would grow the national debt…Obama by about $3.5 trillion…McCain by about $5 trillion.
Neither plan will be implemented as proposed, but when it comes to balancing the budget…our Republican president and his Republican-led Congress (through January ‘07) demonstrated that, despite their rhetoric to the contrary, they don’t give a rat’s a$$. McCain’s budget proposals are proof of more of the same.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
None of those are lies, RW.
You may disagree with those statements, and in some cases even have grounds for doing so. But none of them is a lie.
By Stone
September 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Palin is telling the truth.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Stop it, Jasper. You’re making it hard to concentrate on my work….
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Obama is flailing, because he’s getting exposed. All anyone has to ask Obama is this question: “what have you yourself done to effect change and reform at any political risk to yourself?” His only examples come from bills he co-sponsored that were so uncontroversial that they passed without roll-call votes.
McCain’s the only presidential candidate this year who has taken real political risks to effect change and reform in Washington. Palin has done the same in Alaska, blowing the whistle on her own party’s chairman and exposing his corruption on an important state commission, quitting her own job in order to do so. The only one writing fiction on this campaign trail is Barack Obama
Does running as a Messianic illusion count as an ongoing lie?
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
So, Al Queda is a more credible source for some than Obama. Telling. Very telling.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
NO WAY JAY !!
See my post at about 2:30pm. I asked you first and you’re not dodging this bullet.
You’re the journalist ! If you don’t know what to present for Obama’s biggest lie to date then you are either sorely misinformed or you are letting your total bias show.
Your call - it’s your blog
By jasper
September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Jay - Thanks a lot, now I’ve got Tea on the brain.
Anyway, you should be trying to build your guy up. Heard he promoted a new education plan today. Double funding for charter schools, and performance pay for teachers - that ought to sit well with the union. What’s next, vouchers? He’s moving to the middle, a little bit more every day. Delaying the tax cut rescindment, talking about joining the army.
I think Bill O’Reilly put a Jedi mind trick on him.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
The Urinal has lied for 7 some days straight about the U.S. Armed Forces intentionally killing 60 children in Afghanistan, getting more feverish and hysterical each new day, and now we are seeing this same Taliban propaganda starting to melt into obscurity, just like all goony terrorist fake stories do.
Somehow, a bridge just seems so minor.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
P.S. to Jay
Over the brief time I have responding on this blog I have handed up Bush for his mishandling of the tactical aspects of the war, McCain for his handling of the immigration debacle and many other Republicans when they screwed up.
The difference in you and me is that you rarely if ever take a Democrat to task.
By full_bladder
September 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Okay howabout this >> During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman, Tony Rezko and his associates, than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.Seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his “best estimate” was that Rezko raised “between $50,000 and $60,000″ during Obama’s political career.However, Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Additionally, Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s. Everything you ever wanted to know about Obama and Rezko.
hmmm. now who are we going to vote for????
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
And when Democrats were in power I never shied from criticizing them, Corporal. When Clinton got caught with Monica I wrote in columns and editorials that he ought to resign, and I was a harsh critic at times of Gov. Roy Barnes and the Democratic Legislature, including Speaker Murphy. We were very early out of the gate in attacking Bill Campbell for corruption and incompetence; the same with Vernon Jones.
But in case you hadn’t noticed, there aren’t many Democrats in power. And as you note, this is my blog. I get to write what I want, not what you wish me to write.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer 5:35
[[So, Al Queda is a more credible source for some than Obama.]] regarding “Obama says that Iraq was never the central front in the war on terror, although al Qaeda has said it was.”
It’s not about credibility, it’s about understanding the situation, which leads to an assessment of one’s credibility on a subject.
In this case, AQ’s the enemy and OBL’s the leader. OBL (altho could have been his second, al-Zawahiri) clearly said Iraq (paraphrasing here) is the central front, the make or break place, for AQ and the Crusaders.
Some would say Obama’s not understanding the view of our enemy, or contradicting it without explanation, does not inspire confidence.
Rather the same as when the Clinton Administration, until its last day in office, rejected the assessments of the Richard Clarkes and kept up with a law-enforcement mindset. OBL had very clearly, years earlier, declared war on the US. Our enemy stated his views of the battlefield and the nature of the conflict. Our leaders disregarded it. People died.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
Give me a break Jay
It’s not a lie to say that McCain seriously believes middle class goes up to $5 million?
It’s not a lie to say that Ayers is just a guy in your neighborhood when it turns out you served on one board with him and worked for him on another?
It’s not a lie to say that John McCain wants to spend $10 billion in Iraq forever?
All three of those are blatant bald faced lies.
By Erik K
September 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Some would say shading the truth. <<
No. Lying. That’s the word for what she’s doing. Otherwise, words have no meaning.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Bladder, I’d say that suggests Obama low-balled the figure, although he left himself an out by saying it was his best estimate. He has another out as well, because he and the Sun-Times may have different definitions of “Rezko and his circle.”
So … probably misleading based on the evidence you offer, but not rising to the lie threshold.
Of course, your mileage may differ.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Here’s a good one:
McCain And Obama Agree To Preserve The Public Financing System. “Senator John McCain joined Senator Barack Obama on Thursday in promising to accept a novel fund-raising truce if each man wins his party’s presidential nomination. The promises by Mr. McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Mr. Obama, Democrat of Illinois, are an effort to resuscitate part of the ailing public financing system for presidential campaigns. “Should both major party nominees elect to receive public funding, this would preserve the public financing system, now in danger of collapse, and facilitate the conduct of campaigns freed from any dependence on private fund-raising,’ Mr. Obama’s filing said.”
Uh-huh:
JUNE 2008: Barack Obama Has Declined Public Financing In The General Election, Calling It A “Broken System.”
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
No, RW, it’s not a lie to say McCain believes the cutoff for middle class is $5 million. He was asked what he considered rich; he said an annual income of $5 million.
And what’s the income level below rich and above poor?
And to two and three, no and no.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 5:22,
I’m only applying Jay’s standard to those statements, but as we saw moments ago he has double standards. I think you know me well enough to know I’m not swayed by what any candidate of any party says.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
And just to clarify my previous post, I’m not saying Jones was either corrupt or incompetent. He had issues of a different sort.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this
Oh look, Taranto agrees with me
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is sticking with his unconventional strategy of attacking the Republican vice presidential nominee. The Associated Press reports from Flint, Mich., where Obama spoke yesterday:
“I mean, you can’t just make stuff up,” Obama said of a new McCain ad that says Palin “stopped the Bridge to Nowhere.” “You can’t just recreate yourself. You can’t just reinvent yourself. The American people aren’t stupid.”
Which raises some questions. First, is the Associated Press stupid? Here’s an AP report published in the New York Times last Sept. 22:
Gov. Sarah Palin ordered state transportation officials to abandon the ”bridge to nowhere” project that became a nationwide symbol of federal pork-barrel spending. The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on one island in southeastern Alaska, to its airport on another nearby island. ”Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport,” Ms. Palin, a Republican, said in a news release, ”but the $398 million bridge is not the answer.” She directed the State Transportation Department to find the most ”fiscally responsible” alternative for access to the airport.
Second, does Obama really think that voters will respond well to being told they “aren’t stupid”?
Does he compliment Michelle by saying, “Honey, you aren’t ugly”?
Bwa.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Resignation over the Lewinsky affair? Wow - that’s a bit hardcore.
Erik K
Words have meaning. That was the point. The fact there is so many varying viewpoints on this situation demonstrates that.
RW-(the original)
Interesting point. Obama says “John McCain wants to spend $10 billion in Iraq forever?”
If Obama knew McCain’s original statement and willfully misrepresented it, that’s a lie.
If Obama did not know McCain’s original statement, yet being a very smart person who choses his words carefully (just what we’d expect from a Harvard law grad and reinforced by the way he ponders and answers questions) the very fact he stated an absolute amount ($10 billion) and a time indefinite (‘forever’ - not five years, not ten, but ‘forever’) is a bit of a problem.
Being picky? Not going with his intent? Hey - words have meaning!
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
He could argue he changed his mind on public financing, just like McCain changed his mind about Jerry Falwell being an agent of intolerance.
By Old Southern White Woman
September 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
Steve, Why don’t you Repubs move somewhere else and let America Stand for freedom like it’s suppose to? Bet you didn’t even know that “under God” was added to the pledge of allegiance during the McCarthy era. You probably don’t even know what that was. Do you Repubs really think Palin and the Alaskan Guard are protecting us from Russia? I keep hearing you refer to that. Unbelievable!!!!!
Bill McIntire, You said it all!!!
Jasper, My suspicions are that the Government of Alaska was so corrupt that, of course, anyone would approve a new administration. Just give the Dems up there a chance to get to know her.
Wichitamoron, Who are you trying to kid? You’re not a real Democrat. Or else you really are a moron.
Sunshine & Thunder, Let me tell you some facts. You Republicans spent millions of our tax payer dollars on Kenneth Star. (remember him) to investigate Bill Clinton. And all he found was that Bill let some bimbo suck his “you know what” OH MY GOD!!! that was the worst crime against morality. Yet, when John McCain returned from being a POW, he had many affairs (including with Cindy) on his wife Carol, who was in a bad car wreck and undergoing many back surgeries. OH, but this is okay with Repubs. He was a POW for 5 years and very horny and Carol couldn’t perform so that is perfectly fine. We Repubs are so righteous and perfect!!!!!
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this
Jay,
Fine and you have lost all credibility on your bridge story too. As tiresome as this is would you like to see the quote of what McCain actually said?
By CJ
September 9, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
full_bladder said, “Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman, Tony Rezko and his associates, than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.”
Three problems:
Now, back to our regular scheduled program: “The Lies of McCain/Palin”.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Check this out, original thought:
When will the libs accuse Palin of sending her son to Iraq because victory is already at hand and it is safe for him?
They seem to be capable of stooping that low.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
full bladder
Giving a ‘best estimate’ - especially when one does not regularly review amounts and contributors - and having it different from actual totals - even wildly off the mark - can in no way constitute a ‘lie.’
Unawareness, perhaps. But not a lie.
RW-(the original)
And you know me well enough to infer my meaning when I don’t end a post with //sarc//.
By Elderly White Southern Woman
September 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Steve, Why don’t you Repubs move somewhere else and let America Stand for freedom like it’s suppose to? Bet you didn’t even know that “under God” was added to the pledge of allegiance during the McCarthy era. You probably don’t even know what that was. Do you Repubs really think Palin and the Alaskan Guard are protecting us from Russia? I keep hearing you refer to that. Unbelievable!!!!!
Bill McIntire, You said it all!!!
Jasper, My suspicions are that the Government of Alaska was so corrupt that, of course, anyone would approve a new administration. Just give the Dems up there a chance to get to know her.
Wichitamoron, Who are you trying to kid? You’re not a real Democrat. Or else you really are a moron.
Sunshine & Thunder, Let me tell you some facts. You Republicans spent millions of our tax payer dollars on Kenneth Star. (remember him) to investigate Bill Clinton. And all he found was that Bill let some bimbo suck his “you know what” OH MY GOD!!! that was the worst crime against morality. Yet, when John McCain returned from being a POW, he had many affairs (including with Cindy) on his wife Carol, who was in a bad car wreck and undergoing many back surgeries. OH, but this is okay with Repubs. He was a POW for 5 years and very horny and Carol couldn’t perform so that is perfectly fine. We Repubs are so righteous and perfect!!!!!
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Link to this
Actually, I’d argue that it’s the “forever” part that immunizes that claim from lie status. It’s a clear exaggeration for effect that the speaker does not intend to be taken seriously.
He didn’t expect people to believe that McCain wants to spend $10 billion in the year 3010, and 4010, and 5010.
By full_bladder
September 9, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Okay Jay!, I’ll give you that one, & act like he just “low-balled” the figure, but what about this? On January 22nd, the Hillary Clinton Campaign releases a video that proves that Obama lied about his position on “single-payer healthcare.”The video compares statements Obama made during the January 21st Democratic debate with those he made to an AFL-CIO conference in June 2003 while campaigning for the Senate. Contradicting what Obama said at the debate, the old footage shows the senator saying, “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”At the debate, Obama stated: “I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer (healthcare).”Single-payer healthcare is an euphemism for socialized medicine.
I mean come on!! Are there any politicians that don’t lie out there?? I guess it comes down to the lesser of 2 evils principle. I am still undecided on my presidential vote..:(
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
Paul, were you trying to make a point. Now, what does all that have to do with assigning more credibility to Al Queda versus Obama. Who is more likely to lie? Who has lied? In fact, I think I’ll take Obama’s word over Palin and over Al Queda and over Bush. It’s a matter of credibility.
I also recall reading something to the effect that bin Laden denied having any responsibility for 9/11. Do you believe him?
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Bladder, do you remember everything you said five years ago?
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Words…just words…
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this
To Jay:
You’re being disingenuous again !
You always take to task Democrats who are in power but not those trying to get in power ?? Well, Obama and McCain (last time I checked) are both senators trying to get into more power.
Your bias is showing again, and yes since it is your blog you can do that.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Jay 6:09
Changed his mind? After he stated unequivocally to the Midwest Democracy Network in late 2007:
“If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?”
OBAMA: Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (r-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.
Saying Internet-derived small amount donations constitutes “public financing” strikes some as not changing one’s mind after making a pledge orstating an unequivocal ‘yes’, as maybe not a lie but a tad weasley.
Jay 6:14
I’d make the same argument – exaggeration for effect. Or flowery language. Nothing to do with immunizing. It’s about making a point. Same with the bridge thing.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Paul: If he knew at the time he was making that statement that he had no intention of honoring it, then it was a lie.
Do we have evidence that’s the case?
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Interesting tactic Jay,
Your point was that the $5 million middle class statement wasn’t a lie and that’s the one that stripped away your entire premise that Governor Palin was telling this horrible lie, so you come back with the obvious exaggeration of a different lie. Actually most of the time Obama says 100 years for Iraq rather than saying forever.
Is that within the framework of obvious exaggeration?
By Paul
September 9, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer 6:24
I understand you took issue with RW-(the original)’s point about Obama saying Iraq was never a central front for AQ while OBL said it was.
I responded in wartime it’s important to know the thoughts and viewpoint of your enemy. Obama either didn’t know or disagreed with OBL.
I likened it to a similar situation. OBL thought we were at war as he declared war. The Clinton Administration, Richard Clarke efforts to the contrary, did not. We see what resulted.
That was the point.
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this
Palin’s boy is off to Iraq to fight in the Bush wars. Palin believes they are on a mission from God. Do all Republicans have this view. If so, then why doesn’t the Republican party push for the draft. This is a war to the end, isn’t it. Well, let’s see some conviction.
By JAY BOOKMAN
September 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
Gotta break off, folks… headed home.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this
Did he really just call Sarah Palin a pig?
“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”
He’s losing it.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
My apologies. I must admit I tend to scroll when I get to your name so I didn’t notice you had addressed my comments until I saw Pauls.
When your enemy says X is the central front and nothing is happening there you might think Y is really the central front, but when your enemy says X is the central front and they are shooting at everything that moves and blowing up everything that doesn’t in front X it might be a good idea to believe they weren’t lying and kick their tails. Keep in mind this is an enemy that thinks getting killed in this fight is a form of victory.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
Jay 6:34
Of course not! LOL!
So we have a test for ‘lie’ as making an untrue statement with the intent to deceive. I suppose we could say he was paltering - making an insincere promise. But we have no evidence he was insincere. We assume he was sincere. But it looks as if he was sincerely insincere.
Gets pretty ridiculous.
“Senator, will you commit to N?”
“Yes.”
“Senator, do you have the intention of honoring that commitment?”
“Yes.”
Gosh, I hope that isn’t going to become an obligatory followup question.
Ribs’re waiting in the oven. Pleasant evening, all -
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this
Serious Question
I have heard Obama say he was born in Hawaii and his relatives back that up.
However, has anyone out there ever heard him name the actual hospital he was born in or does he claim to have been born at home or somewhere else in Hawaii?
I have read (not sure of the truthfulness) that none of the hospitals in Hawaii have a record of his birth.
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I am “concerned” about anyone that would look to a talking head of Al Queda for proof that a loyal US citizen is a liar. It suggests things to me about the person resorting to such an “existence proof”. Hence, my use of the words “Telling. Very telling.” That’s what I meant and that’s why your point made no sense to me. If you want to talk about wartime activities that’s one thing but statements made during an election cycle can be quite another thing.
About the rest of my post. Do you believe bin Laden, assuming he made such a statement. Perhaps you know if he did or not.
By Paul
September 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Go to factcheck dot org and in the search box type “Obama birth certificate.” There are several articles.
Now it really is time for a drink -
By Paul
September 9, 2008 7:03 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Go to factcheck dot org and in the search box type “Obama birth certificate.” There are several articles.
Now it really is time for a drink -
By Paul
September 9, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
Corporal
Go to factcheck dot org and in the search box type “Obama birth certificate.” There are several articles.
Now it really is time for a drink -
Taxpayer 7:00
aacckkk - gotta break away…
I do not see it as a credibility issue. OBL’s more than a talking head - he’s the leader of AQ. He’s directing the efforts and said Iraq was the central front.
Obama said it wasn’t. He may view Afghanistan as the central front, he may think there is no central front.
But when your enemy says what he intends to do and where he intends to make his greatest efforts, I think it a good idea to accept him at his word. And if one of our leaders disagrees, I’d appreciate an explanation, not a dismissal.
I believed bin Laden when he declared war on us. I believe he viewed Iraq as a critical battlefield.
[[# Osama Bin Laden: Baghdad is “the capital of the caliphate.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)
* Bin Laden: "The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this third world war … raging in [Iraq]." BIN LADEN: "I now address my speech to the whole of the Islamic nation: Listen and understand. The issue is big and the misfortune is momentous. The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation. It is raging in the land of the two rivers. The world's millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate." (Text Of Bin Laden's Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)]]Now for that drink….
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I see you have chosen not to address my question. Instead, you decide to pursue a non-topic since I have already said that my point had nothing to do with what you are discussing. Now, go have that drink.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this
Isn’t it also kind of a lie when the two foremost things you claim to have bucked the tide to get accomplished both turn out to have so hard get done that they passed with unanimous consent and no vote?
Taxpayer & Jay,
I’ll give you the one about Iraq never being the central front not being a lie and I, of all people, shouldn’t have brought that one up. It’s clear that al Qaeda thought it was and it’s clear that they said it was. It’s also clear that anybody with one eye and half sense could tell it was. So only a dunce might have trouble with the concept. I apologize for intimating that Obama lied on that one and accept your premise that he’s just…well a dunce.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
Maybe Jay could send a guest column to the Anchorage Daily News.
Let’s count how many things Gov. Sarah Palin’s predecessor did that she’s undone.
The proposed Gravina Island “bridge to nowhere” and a pioneer road to Juneau: Won’t be funded.
Power Line asks a good question. Since Ted Stevens, Don Young, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden were still fighting for the bridge and Sarah Palin didn’t kill it where is it?
By Jo Manning
September 9, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this
As a librarian, I am quite concerned about the book banning incident in Wasilla during Governor Palin’s tenure as mayor. It seems to me — though no particular books were discussed (and that list going around the Internet seems to be bogus) — that there was an attempt — maybe more than one — to intimidate that city librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons Baker.
Book banners — and those leaning in that direction — do not deserve to be in the White House or the veep’s mansion.
This candidate for vice-president is not up to the job, not by many long shots. Our constitution guarantees freedom of speech and our free public libraries access to information — of all kinds — and candidates for this office should be aware of the rights of each and every citizen in this country.
It is a shame that Ms. Emmons Baker is not clarifying what happened concerning the book banning issue.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
We’re blowing their doors off:
The new tone is not without risk for the Democratic ticket. It’s hard to take down an opponent without appearing overly or overtly partisan. It’s also unusual to appear so focused on your opponent’s running mate – and not the nominee himself.
Former New York Mayor Ed Koch, as part of his endorsement of Obama, said Palin “scares the hell out of me.” And Obama hit Palin in nearly a dozen different press releases – one day after drawing laughs at a campaign stop by calling her a “moose shooter.”
It isn’t just Democratic officials who are fixated on Palin. Media outlets on the left – from Talking Points Memo to Huffington Post – are loaded with hard-hitting stories about Palin.
We are exposing a whole industry of hacks and goonies, opening the eyes of every real, normal American, Americans who are just like Sarah.
Thank you John.
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
Furthermore, if Al Queda establishes a beachhead off the Georgia coast, then I fully expect our fearless leader against the holy wars on US territory to declare WAR. WAR I SAY. This is war and the central front for this war is the beachhead. And, I’m not lying. I’m serious and that’s no promise of a premise — a worthless premise. For it was a premise that was never promised by the assumed premisor.
By Ackmed
September 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
As a former Islamic terrorist, I am quite concerned that Hezbollah has endorsed Barak Obama. It seems to me, although there is no noticable evidence of this, that Obama just might be a Muslim terrorist.
Killers of women and children, and their favorite presidential candidates, do not belong in the White House.
This candidate for president is not up to the job, not by many long shots. Our constitution guarantees not being slaughtered while at work or having your head sawed off on al Jazeera and candidates for this office should be aware of the rights of each and every citizen in this country.
It is a shame that Obama Bin Biden is not clarifying their position on the Jihad and Sharia Laws.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Link to this
To Paul:
I’m looking for truth here.
I checked the website you suggested and I have seen all of that before. Unless I am missing something, all of the posts there (and other sites) including you do not address my original question.
Was he born in a hosptial?
There are apparently no hospital records of that in Hawaii and it is not stated on the birth certificate. Has Obama ever stated the name of the hospital he was born in or does he maintain he was born at home? If he was born at home in Hawaii then he is a U.S. citizen and there is no problem here.
These are easy questions for him to answer.
P.S. One’s parents or relatives would not fake a baby’s birth place anticipating that he would run for President …….. but one would do it for all the rights and priveleges that a U.S. citizen has.
It is my understanding back then that someone could show up with a child and state it was born here and I need a birth certificate. Note: This is not all that unusual. Back as late as the 40’s and 50’s in rural parts of America, birth certificates were not obtained for months after a child’s birth as the child was born at home without the assistance of a doctor in very remote parts of the state.
Again, I am looking for the truth here. That birth certificate may be “valid” (i.e., not counterfeit or tampered with) on it’s face but it means nothing if the facts don’t back it up.
My 34 years as a Federal investigator (counterfeit currency, checks, bonds, etc.) taught me that ………….
By Midori
September 9, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this
Q: does Palin have any other speeches other than the one she gave at the RNC?
Every time I see or hear her on the campaign trail, all she does is regurgitate the same trite, tried old speech.
When is McCain going to let her off her leash? Could it be that she may be a GASP dunce
By Ackmed's Puppetmaster
September 9, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this
Ackmed. Ackmed! You keep up that crap and I’m going to have to quit pulling your strings.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
why don’t you look up McCain’s birthplace, instead?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
Say, has anybody heard from Michelle lately?
Something besides mmmuummmpphhhh!!, that is.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
To Midori
1) No one is questioning his birth place.
2) Many are questioning Obama’s.
3) I (and you probably) have a birth certificate, with a listed hospital, friends, relatives, medical personnel (if living) who could validate that birth and maybe even financial records (or even a street address where one live then.
This is not difficult. The more that easy information is not provided, the more sinister it becomes.
I ask one more time. Why doesn’t he state the name of the hospital he was born in or if he was born at home?
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
Good question, Midori. 8>)
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this
By Midori September 9, 2008 8:13 PM When is McCain going to let her off her leash? Could it be that she may be a GASP dunce
I r o diM: I believe starting Thursday ABC has her for 48 hours with no subjects off limits, which, by the way, is a whole lot more than Fake Temple Pilot gave Fox.
Thanks for asking.
By lovelyliz
September 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Moving tax payer $$ from a really unpopular earmark to something else is still an earmark and something a true conservative would not abide by.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
1) No one is questioning his birth place. why not??*
2) Many are questioning Obama’s. the only person I see is you
3) google is your friend
I would post the link for you, but I’m lazy. Or rather, I want to help you help yourself
Andy: I believe starting Thursday ABC has her for 48 hours with no subjects off limits, which, by the way, is a whole lot more than Fake Temple Pilot gave Fox.
oh great!!! we have to listen to that stupid rote tripe for 2 MORE DAYS?????
Will McCain have someone holding a cattle prod hiding under her desk during that time?
p.s. your’e an idiot. why should I take as fact something that you believe?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
I r o diM: Now I’m starting to believe that your problems are far more serious than just bloating and cramps.
I think you may need to be wormed.
Consult with your veterinarian, please, as this is not my expertise.
O.K. I give up, what does the cattle prod have to do with it?
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
lovelyliz,
A true fiscal conservative would indeed have a problem with earmarks of all kinds as well as with wasteful spending and borrowing ourselves into a hole that even our great-grandchildren won’t be able to dig out of. The Republican party clearly does not support a fiscal conservative policy even though they would have us believe otherwise.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Politicians give stump speeches. It’s been that way forever and if you paid any attention you’d know that The Dunce has his own little canned speech.
Now this isn’t going to sound good for my side, but I don’t think McCain keeping Palin at his side has anything to do with her inability to face reporters or the people. I think it’s because she would still be drawing huge crowds if they campaigned separately, but he might not.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
To Midori
O.K. since Obama won’t answer the question of whether he was born in a hospital (or home) and you won’t either, let me ask you this.
Presidents always have their birth home (where they lived when they were born) purchased, renovated and run by the U.S. Park Service as a “national site”.
Where will Obama’s be ?? (if it’s gone there is always a marker).
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
Sick:
Obama Supports ‘Sex Ed for Kindergartners’
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
Psc Corporal,
Where were you hatched? It’s really important for us to know if your parents lied to you about the true nature of your having appeared on this planet. Now tell us, was it another alien abduction. Do you have green blood.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC-M,
Michelle O showed up at an elitist fund raiser in LA a day or so ago. The first thing she did was call Sarah’Cuda stupid so they may muzzle her again, but maybe not since Barack has stooped to calling Governor Palin a pig today.
By Karen
September 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a lier, so is John McCain..
By Karen
September 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a lier, so is John McCain..
By Karen
September 9, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a lier, so is John McCain..
By Midori
September 9, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this
Obama Supports ‘Sex Ed for Kindergartners’
so Andy - when will you sign up?
RW: Repeat after me:
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
now imagine yourself being trucked into one of their speeches:
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
I told them NO!! We’ll build our own bridge!!!
one person, or a truckload of people. Miss Thang needs some new material.
By Karen
September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a lier, so is John McCain..
By Karen
September 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
Sarah Palin is a lier, so is John McCain..
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
You’re avoiding the question. If Obama is elected, don’t you want to go visit and pay homage to his birth home? Don’t you want all the little school kids to go there on their field trip?
What’s the address?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this
I r o diM: It’s thanks but no thanks not “no.”
But anyway, thanks but no thanks.
By BT fan
September 9, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
Keep up bias lies Jay, Cynthia has ruined the Democrats in Ga and now you are helping Republicans. McCain-Palin win BIG in November
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
P.S. to JAY, et al:
Just saw this on a local news website:
“You might see the new Obama campaign ad on national TV shows, but on local Georgia broadcasts, Obama has gone silent, after spending some $2 million at local stations this summer.”
Hummmmm …………
By Midori
September 9, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
what Obama said:
“You can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said to an outbreak of laughter, shouts and raucous applause from his audience …. It’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still going to stink after eight years.
sounds like he was talking about McCain to me.
either way, if the shoe fits………….
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Link to this
Psc Corporal,
Don’t you like to do things in their proper order. First, you need to vote for Obama and thus prove a true interest in the man’s past. Second, he needs to get elected as our next President. Third, we can all start planning those trips down memory lane where you can admire that little one-room, dirt-floored log cabin in Hawaii and ask yourself how did he ever survive such hardship as a half-black, half-white — shunned by both sides and nowhere to turn….
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Midori,
A few years back I saw Pink Floyd out in Oakland, a few weeks later I saw them at Georgia Tech. I’m guessing you would have expected them to have have written a bunch of new songs by then.
When Palin’s speech stops A) drawing huge crowds and B) stops driving Barry crazy, I’m sure it’ll change.
Have you ever seen a Presidential candidate so immature that all he can do is use playground slur tactics against the VP candidate on the other ticket?
By Midori
September 9, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this
ah come on, Andy - you can learn only so much playing with your dolls.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
Midori,
There’s not a chance in the world that The Dunce said what you just quoted. When you edit out 47 uhs and uhms it’s not a quote.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
Like Midori you’re avoiding the question.
What’s the address? A very easy question.
To Midori
Obama should know enough about “pigs” since most of his constituents have been slopping at the government “trough” for a long time now.
and ………….
“Oinkbama” is going to make a lot of women voters angry with that “pig” thing.
Not smart
By Midori
September 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Link to this
another lie, Andy?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
RW: Remember when barry admonished the “politics as usual” and vowed to take the high road in his campaign?
I guess he just “changed his mind,” as Jay likes to describe it.
By Taxpayer
September 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this
Psc Corporal,
You’re avoiding the relevance. Now tell us, will you decide who to vote for based on their place of birth knowing full well that our government has already fully vetted Mr. Obama and confirmed that he satisfies the eligibility requirements for President. So, are you just being silly or what?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
July 18, 2007 1:13 PM ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is “age-appropriate,” is “the right thing to do.”
Do tell us, I r o diM, what is an “appropriate” sex education for a 5 year old child?
Weirdos.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
i’m starting to get bored proving you wrong, RW
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC-M,
Jay seems to have a free flowing definition of whether one changed their mind or told egregious lies. The former is when you wear a D behind your name and the latter an R.
One thing for sure is that defense of Cynthia outrage he posted the other day is nothing but a bald faced lie when you match the tape to the report. Perhaps Jay shouldn’t rely on a single source, even if that single source does have control of his paycheck.
By Midori
September 9, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
Andy - look at 9:54,
you know all about weirdos, don’t you?
ever come up for air out of that dank basement?
By AJC/DNC Management
September 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I know, Jay “changes his mind” just about every time he writes a column, hahahaha.
By cleancleanho
September 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
apple me joke white white stone red glass free ugly apple ocean
By Helen
September 9, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this
I’ve just been listening to more politics and would like to comment and this is the only place I can at the moment.
Sarah Palin did not have any interest in “special needs children” till she had one of her own.
By RW-(the original)
September 9, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Nedra Pickler with AP makes Jay look like a bastion of honest journalism and to Jay’s credit he doesn’t make believe he’s not an opinion columnist.
Try again, sweetie.
By Helen
September 9, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this
Morons, Barack was talking about teaching 5 year olds to not let strangers touch them and to tell if funny uncles touch them. ect.
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
1) Our government has done no such thing.
2) There is a case right now in Federal Court on this very subject.
3) You still avoid the question. What is his birth home address in Hawaii? Why won’t he tell us? Where are all the neighbors who would remember that (a very unusual family even for Hawaii back then) now that he is running for POTUS?
4) And what about the pig comment. I think he owes an apology ………
By Midori
September 9, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this
lol
found this Sarah Palin pic
how’s that, honey bunny?
By "The Corporal"
September 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
You know I’m convinced there are only about ten people who even post on these blogs? We need some fresh meat.
By GMan
September 9, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this
Jay Guess that’s why the McCain-Palin team are up in the polls by 5 to 7 points and the community organizer team has decided to virtually abandon Georgia campaigning and move its efforts to North Carolina. But please continue to not go softly into that good night. You keep writing and I’ll keep buying, but lets not cut the editorial page any further. I hate having to go to the sports page so quickly.
By nick
September 10, 2008 4:39 AM | Link to this
Once the cool-aide sugar buzz wears off, and the facts kick in.. the country will grow up and switch back to coffee. if you know what I mean.
By AJC/DNC Management
September 10, 2008 5:31 AM | Link to this
Again, the goony Taliban propaganda in the AJC:
Afghan and U.N. officials say some 90 civilians were killed in a U.S. special forces operation in the village of Azizabad on Aug. 22. The U.S. had said up to seven civilians were killed but is reinvestigating the incident after video images of victims came to light.-Urinal/Jihad
They got busted and they know it is going to be impossible for them to just drop this and drive on to the next anti American lie.
The U.S. State Department, in a cable sent Tuesday to all foreign service officers, said the roughly 300 jobs in Baghdad and outlying provinces that will come open next summer have been filled by volunteers. Last year, the prospect of forced Iraq tours caused an uproar when some objected to compulsory service in a war zone.-Urinal/Jihad
“Uproar,” eh, thee Urinal “found” one whiny little dhimmocrat and blew it up like they always do, sure enough, it was “a change of mind.”
By AJC/DNC Management
September 10, 2008 5:49 AM | Link to this
Obama to trim staff in Georgia- Personnel moving to N.C., but campaign says it’s not a negative sign.-Urinal/DNC
Uh-huh:
WINNING THIS STATE will require Republicans to outperform the vaunted grassroots organizing machinery of Barack Obama’s campaign, which has opened more than 40 offices throughout the state. The Warren County GOP chairman isn’t intimidated by the Democratic operation.
“We’ll match it and better it. We always do,” Prince says. “We do it with volunteers. We don’t pay staff — and I think that’s their weakness…They go out and hire a bunch of college students. I don’t think they get the performance that we do out of our people.”
You can’t “trim back Republican staff,” we are here because we believe in our cause.
The dhimmocrats are just, well, greedy.
By GodHatesTrash
September 10, 2008 6:37 AM | Link to this
Luckovich is great again today - L-o-l-a smooching a pig - or one of many rightwingnut Bookman bloggers
By swade
September 10, 2008 6:55 AM | Link to this
I applaud jmoss for an honest and intelligent call for the McCain campaign to stop treating the American people like naive, gullible sheep who will swallow whatever massaged version of half-truths and outright lies they tell.
Palin’s staunch anti-choice, her pro-drilling, pro-continued war, lack of any experience in foreign policy and her outright lies, cronyism and steamrolling are only tips of the iceberg on this despicable “Hillary-wannabe but cannotbe”.
and don’t get me started on her uninformed “pray away the gay” - PUH-LEEZE!
Palin is no Hillary and once the American people wake up from their convention-induced stupor, I am confident the realities of Palin’s lack of integrity and McCain’s co-opted “change” strategy will become clear. It is merely another attempt to deflect attention from the fact that McBush / Pa-LIAR offer four more years of the McSame debilitating economy and war.
By Taxpayer
September 10, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this
Psc Corporal,
Our government did so. Obama filled out his paperwork and provided the necessary proof of citizenship and the government checked the paperwork and approved it.
By Hmmmmm
September 10, 2008 7:29 AM | Link to this
Jay
You just keep right on blasting the Lady from Alaska… Obama doesn’t no what to do with HER…. It’s really very funny, the liberal media and the media blogs like this one will make the push that elects our next president…
McCain/Palin 08
By Paul
September 10, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer 7:21 pm
Well, after several attempts I obviously do not understand your question. I thought it started out that Iraq was not at one time the ‘central front’ in the war on terror. Obama said no, bin Laden said it was. As bin Laden is the head of AQ and Obama is at this point a senator I thought Obama possibly did not understand what our enemy had said.
Then your question morphed into who has credibility – Obama or OBL. I replied it is not a credibility issue. It is an issue of how one sees a situation. I cited OBL and the Clinton Administration. OBL declared war on us. Clinton Administration disregarded and pursued as a law enforcement matter. They saw the situation differently. Both are credible. Accepting one’s view of a situation but not another’s does not mean one is more or less credible. Rather like going to see two medical specialists. One says “I think the correct treatment is this” and the second opinion is “I think the correct treatment is that.”
I thought the questions (who is more likely to lie – who has lied - Obama or OBL) rather silly. Answer: OBL. But that has nothing to do with whether or not one see a situation accurately. If your point is: OBL is a liar, OBL said Iraq is the central front, therefore Iraq is not the central front – that’s a bit of a fallacy. It’s similar to the question to the candidates during the Dem primaries: do you think there is a global war on terror? (questioner didn’t define ‘war on terror’ so all had an out). Obama thought there was, Biden did not. AQ/Islamic fundamentalists say there is a global war against the infidels. Obama looked at the situation and thinks there is. Biden does not. Doesn’t mean Biden has credibility and Obama does not.
. If I still have misunderstood your question(s), care to restate (not just repeat what you originally wrote)?
Your 8:02 – AQ did attack the US. Are you now calling for a specific declaration of war by the Congress. Or only if they ride boats onto the Georgia coast?
RW-(the original) 7:27 pm So Obama’s campaign manager gets asked “When has Sen Obama bucked his party’s leadership like McCain has” and he responds with examples of voting with Republicans on bills that passed unanimously. Obviously I’m not the only one who doesn’t understand the question.
Jo Manning 7:53 pm
Regarding Palin’s book banning: you may want to go to Factcheck dot org and check ‘Sliming Palin.’ If anyone thinks a ‘what if’ question constitutes intimidation and an attempt at book banning…
Corporal 8:07 pm
Thanks for the clarification. As to whether or not Sen Obama was born in a hospital, I do not know. But those links stated “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.” So that’s why I’m not concerned about it.
And now a prediction for today: the Palin attacks will now shift to mocking certain religious practices. Sen Obama’s remarks from yesterday regarding his disgust with such tactics and how they have no place in a campaign… will be ignored by many on the farleft.
For the umpteenth time: if Sen Obama cannot bring ‘change’ to his most ardent supporters, why should the general populace vote for him on his promise to bring change to an entire political system?
By Mel
September 10, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
Palin is a liar on this issue and more
By pete
September 10, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Palin believes that she is on a ” mission from god” re: the war in iraq,not to be confused with bush’s being “appointed by god”. does anyone in america have half a brain, these people are out and out insane, we have seen it in bush and now we are seeing it in palin. oh yeh, when is ms palin going to face the press and answer some questions?
By Taxpayer
September 10, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Paul,
I’ll try to compile the complete string of posts on the subject and re-read them to see if I have missed something that might help clarify my original comment. One item that I see from a quick scan is that I did not morph into commenting on credibility — the word “credible” was in my original comment. For now, as I recall, the unanswered question that I was referring to was the last question in the following post:
By Taxpayer September 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this Paul, were you trying to make a point. Now, what does all that have to do with assigning more credibility to Al Queda versus Obama. Who is more likely to lie? Who has lied? In fact, I think I’ll take Obama’s word over Palin and over Al Queda and over Bush. It’s a matter of credibility. I also recall reading something to the effect that bin Laden denied having any responsibility for 9/11. Do you believe him?
By "The Corporal"
September 10, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
To Taxpayer and Paul
1) If you are talking about the Federal Election Commission that’s a rubber stamp joke.
2) I still believe there is a possibility that as some have stated, his father and mother went to Kenya to meet his family, she was denied boarding as she was very late in her pregnancy, she had Obama in Kenya, a few days later they flew to Hawaii and “registered” the baby there. That would make the birth certificate not counterfeit on its face but not accurate/legal either.
3) Again, I ask questions that are easy for Obama to answer. What hospital in Hawaii was he born in or was he born at home in Hawaii and what was the address ?
If he has already answered these - fine - but I can’t find it.
By Taxpayer
September 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Psc Corporal,
Our federal agencies and their rules and regulations are no laughing matter. Besides, now you have just changed the topic. Finally, good luck with that quest. Send me a postcard from Hawaii or Kenya or where ever your travels take you. Keep us posted, will you.
By George
September 10, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Well lets see we have had a Bush administration that lied about Iraq, WMD, and now we have a potential VP republican candidate lying about Ted Stevens (r) Bridge to No Where. Alaska must be the home of the Whopper!!!!! Corruption and lies seem to go together once again.
I say send the bill for the bridge which didnt get built and the Iraq war to the Republican party.
By Chris
September 10, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
Corporal Just so you can find this I’m going to make it obvious
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI
By Chris
September 10, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Corporal Just so you can find this I’m going to make it obvious:
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, HI
By Chris
September 10, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
now STFU about his birth records and get back to Palin’s lies and the Lies about her (or her daughter’s) child. Strange that the daughter missed 5 months with Mono. I’ve had mono, it’s a two week problem at most.
By Midori
September 10, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Paul,
Factcheck.org to the left is like Media Matters is to the right.
You might want to keep that in mind.
By Paul
September 10, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer 9:04
I gather your understood my comment about Georgia being invaded was a lighthearted response -
Regarding [[I also recall reading something to the effect that bin Laden denied having any responsibility for 9/11. Do you believe him?}}
My answer is ‘No.’ But my understanding is he took credit. We even have credible reports at his elation when the towers came down - he thought they would be damaged, not destroyed.
By Paul
September 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Midori 9:37
[[Factcheck.org to the left is like Media Matters is to the right.]]
I’d never heard Factcheck described as a farrightwingpartisan site. I’ve generally found them pretty even handed and accurate with little opinion interjected. In fact, one of Mr. Bookman’s recent columns read like a factcheck analysis.
By "The Corporal"
September 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
To Chris
Thank you. That’s all I have been asking for. May I ask your source?
Is this verbal from the campaign staff, from the birth certificate or from hospital records?
By "The Corporal"
September 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
P.S. to Chris
This is interesting. Check it out.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaMemSupportTRO082108.pdf
By Al Tate
September 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Tell it like it is Jay. The truth sometimes hurts but it is still the truth.
By Al Tate
September 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Tell it like it is Jay. The truth sometimes hurts but it is still the truth.
By Al Tate
September 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Tell it like it is Jay. The truth sometimes hurts but it is still the truth.
By "The Corporal"
September 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Well, since I’m obviously being censored, I’ll quit this one.
Shame, shame …………….
By Chris
September 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Corporal you are being censored, It’s just that you’re barking at shadows. If there was any honest doubt about the legal citizenship of Obama, Rove and his jackbooted thugs would surely have used it to destroy him months ago. They have millions of dollars, lawyers, and even cabinet members working with them to destroy Obama. If they could have done it on facts, it would already be done.
By American Woman Voter
September 10, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Shame on John McCain!
When announcing Sarah Palin as his running mate, was he positioning himself for the Hillary Clinton voters or something else? Is he using sensationalism and preying on the emotions of the pro-life voters and other Americans? While preaching to exclude family from politics, each time Sarah Palin is shown, her teenage daughter is positioned in the background, silently sending a message for the American voter to see; no words needed. Such sensationalism; preying on sympathy from voters for Sarah Palin and family; instead of focusing on issues he’s focusing on emotions.
With other more qualified candidates, and knowing of the pregnancy, what was his true purpose for choosing Sarah Palin – to play the “Sexism Card,” or the “Sympathy and Pro-Life Card;” Or both? His unashamed use of an innocent teenager’s situation in his campaign is shameful.
As a mother, I would question Sarah’s priorities, knowing that the job of the vice president or president is a twenty-four, seven job. I believe in equal opportunity, and in years to come, she may become the right candidate, yet my vote would be for the woman who put the needs of the children first in their formative years; knowing there would be plenty of time to be active in politics when the children are older. Shouldn’t we be questioning her current order of priorities? She may have some qualifications, and she may want it all, yet at what and whose expense? Juggling her current responsibilities toward her five children with a twenty-four, seven high-profile job wouldn’t appear to be sound judgment. I would ask my vice-president to have sound judgment to make decisions needed in office. It isn’t that women with children aren’t qualified, because we are and have proven this in the work place. Yet, none might hold a twenty-four, seven job. It isn’t sexist to note this, just realistic to be concerned about the principles of the candidates as shown by their example.
And now she and you are outright liars! Shame on you.
By raylan
September 10, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Bush could very well conjur up another twin towers bombing so that his stay in office will be prolonged. Look for a dirty bomb on the coast or better yet at two locations. Bush used the supreme court the first election to get into the white house and then on the second one he used the computerized voting machines counted by his people. The computerized voting machines are still there and will be used again. Bush is bankrupting all funds past,present ,and then future in America. Carl Rove ,that great architect left the white house not the party. He and his staff are in full swing. The fact that debate could even exist is because just enough citizens are fat and happy . People this election is not about my high school being better than Your high school. Xenophobia has no place here.
By raylan
September 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Bush could very well conjur up another twin towers bombing so that his stay in office will be prolonged. Look for a dirty bomb on the coast or better yet at two locations. Bush used the supreme court the first election to get into the white house and then on the second one he used the computerized voting machines counted by his people. The computerized voting machines are still there and will be used again. Bush is bankrupting all funds past,present ,and then future in America. Carl Rove ,that great architect left the white house not the party. He and his staff are in full swing. The fact that debate could even exist is because just enough citizens are fat and happy . People this election is not about my high school being better than Your high school. Xenophobia has no place here.
By deeppeace
September 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
What long-term political damage is Palin going to suffer from all this deceit and hyperbole? When this election is over, she’ll be the next weathergal on Fox News. That is, if Ann Coulter is willing to share the streetcorner with her.
By RyanD.
September 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
Call it like it is.
Sarah Palin is a LIAR. It took her 63 words into her first national speech to lie to the American public.
NICE.
By Byron
September 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
Republicans do not care about their candidate lying. They just want their candidate elected at all cost. So long as it is not related to sex it’s OK to be a Republican and lie. It’s amazing that the majority of Americans are so gullible that they literally allow the lie knowing it’s a lie.
Besides, McCain yielded his presidency to Bush. He thinks he is entitled to the position now. Furthoremore, McCain who I once reespected a great deal, has lost his luster along with his mind. He is now tarnished, sleazy and he really needs to resign from public service and hangout with the old VFW boys where he can continue to tell old war stories.
By George
September 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Please ask the sanctimonious religious right if they ever heard of the commandment forbidding “bearing false witness”? Or doesn’t Old Testament theology work for them since it also bans pork?
By Jibreel Riley
September 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Obama/Biden voted for the Bridge to Nowhere
By GodHatesTrash
September 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
The Corporal doesn’t know how to use the Google on the internets, Chris.
He only knows how to connect to this blog, unfortunately.
By getalife "whiners"
September 10, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this
The HP linked here.
Get your T shirt:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/215503.php
By Lee
September 10, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
When Palin said that she said “Thanks, but no thanks” to bridge to nowhere, it was a lie. It WAS A LIE OMISSION. She deliberately left out pertinent information in order to misrepresent herself as a reformer.
It seems that almost everything out of Palin’s mouth is a lie. I swear, if she said the sky was blue, I’d go outside and check.
By Anthony
September 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
Why does Sarah Palin not talk to the media? If she is not ready for the pressure of the media then she is not ready for the pressure of being vice president. If a campaign refuses to let the media hold them accountable then THAT SHOULD BE THE FRONT PAGE STORY. If John McCain is SHIELDING Sarah Palin from the eyes of the media and thus the American people then THAT SHOULD BE THE FRONT PAGE STORY. All John McCain can do is CHANGE THE SUBJECT and REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAST 8 YEARS and why he has voted with BUSH 90% of the time. Political Mavericks and presidential candidates don’t hide from the media; and, it’s a crying shame that the media took the bait and jumped all over this as if they were doing the McCain camps bidding. John McCain is taking the media for a ride straight to the presidency just the way that Bush did in 2000, and if the media lets it happen again then media in this is country are pathetic and it’s a crying shame.
By Becky
September 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this
Just in case no one has mentioned it, the “sex education” for kindergarteners was to help the children understand how to protect themselves against inappropriate touching or other sexual abuse.
More and more, it appalls me how differently liberals and conservatives perceive America. Are our lives that different? I’m flummoxed…and am quite depressed about it. Maybe watching V for Vendetta will cheer me up.
By Frederick Douglass
September 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
I say again, John McCain could’ve chosen the presidential pooch Barney as his VP choice, and the right wingers would’ve endorsed that overwhelmingly. The old man’s running against a black man with a muslim name for Pete’s sake, and he’s got the flawless blonde wife to boot, you can’t look any better than that, and looks is the only thing that matters.
By jeanrenoir
September 10, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
It’s the American public, stupid. The real problem is not the slimeball Republican liars. It’s the moronic public which eats their lies with two spoons at once. The morons have hugged Palin (and McCain with her) to their breasts as “one of us,” exactly the way they did Reagan, but with the kicker of all that female mob resentment stirred up by Hillary now attached to Our Lady of Special Needs. So the more the media attack Teflon Palin, the more the mob hugs her with sympathy. It’s hard to see a way for Obama to beat her.
By Julescator
September 10, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
jeanrenoir:
Here is how Obama will beat McCain! THE ECONOMY 8 YEARS OF DYSFUNCTION ON EVERY FRONT. I hate to tell you but most people know the facts on Palin - thanks to the Internet. This thing is backfiring on McCain as we type. The American people have wised up. Read the Posts - see how silly it sounds to say that people will vote about THEIR FAMILES based on Sarah Palin. You are dreaming. 8 YEARS - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
By Dan Wilson
September 10, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this
As a Republican, I grow more and more weary of my own party. This is NOT the party that I know and respect. What has happened to the centrists, those of us that believe in small government, low taxes, and honorable behavior? This is the year that I don’t vote.
By ethel08
September 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Link to this
“Neither is anything close to pure on this issue. “
Please stop borrowing McCain’s talking points on this issue. It is is McCain who insists that earmarks are categorically bad (except for international ones, which he still supports). This statement indicates that earmarks are deals with the devil so, therefore, anyone who supports an earmark is “impure.”
The truth is that earmarks make up a very small portion of our federal budget. And, as Sarah Palin herself has said, these earmarks can help small towns with projects they couldn’t do on their own.
It’s fine if you feel that earmarks are bad. But this article—and particularly the statement I quoted—implies that we’ve all agreed that all earmarks are unethical, something that politicians are forbidden from doing. That is not true.
By Georgia-Dan
September 10, 2008 10:00 PM | Link to this
Hey RealityKing - The bridge is in the Alaskan state bank account…all $200 mil of it. Palin’s entire point is is that she would not accept federal largesses. She didn’t return the money. American taxpayers gave Alaska $200 million in addition to paying for the exorbitant Alaskan oil that is TAXED by Palin to supply the lower 48. The smoke and mirrors wont work again this time.
By Myra
September 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this
Amen, amen, and amen!
By Fr. Antony
September 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
The puzzling paradox is: the Christian Right poses as the great proponent of morality and yet when the McCain campaign is caught lying and stooping to the lowest political tactics we have seen since George Bush and Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 not one of its leaders rises to say anything. Do the ends really justify the means? Is that the message of Christ? Since when was lying a Christian virtue or bearing false witness stricken from the Ten Commandments?
The Christian Right with all its power in the GOP should stand up and demand that their chosen candidate practice what they preach. If it does not, then it denigrates the faith they purport to hold and the morals they seek to impose. It appears that the lust for power has blinded The Christian Right to its own shortcomings.
By ethel08
September 10, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
“had the courage to admit that she was wrong “
Please cite the quotation where Ms. Palin admitted that she was wrong about the bridge.
In fact, what she said was that if Congress wouldn’t pay for the bridge, then she would just use Congress’s money for something else.
How is that “courage”? How is that “thanks but no thanks”? How is that “If we want a bridge, we’ll build it ourselves”?
In fact, what she said essentially was: “If you won’t pay for the bridge, we certainly won’t pay for it ourselves.”
I quote Ms. Palin from 2007. Please note her emphasis on the importance of Congress paying for the bridge: “Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329-million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island.”
By Liv
September 10, 2008 10:42 PM | Link to this
I just never expected this to happen. If you had told me back in 2000 that John McCain would willingly sell his soul to Rove to get elected and abandon all principles and honor I would have said “no way.”
I certainly hope the American people don’t reward him for this. Its nasty lying hateful politics that should not win a person a single thing let alone something that requires leadership.
By the lovely mrs. catfish
September 10, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this
You’d like to think the American people wouldn’t reward him/them for this…but think about it. W was rewarded not once, but twice! Discouraging indeed.
By Julianne
September 10, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
The one statement Obama made in rebuttal today that I believe will stick and stay in the voters minds is when he said it’s not the republican candidate that loses, it’s not the democratic candidate that loses, it’s you that loses. It’s a reality for the 80% that are fed up with the way things are going. He played to the logic and sensibilities of voters. It won’t work on the rabid right, but indies and fence sitters may hear and internalize it.
By Peggy
September 10, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this
To all the Sarah Supporters: I am a lifelong Alaskan, a republican and mother of five. I have known Sarah professionally for many years and the reality of her life, her accomplishments and her intentions vastly differ from the fairytale we would like to believe.
Sarah is like that car you’ve long wanted to buy and here it is. It’s beautiful, shiny and looks perfect, except you’re not allowed to look under the hood before you sign the papers. Some might buy it and take the risk, most would not. So I ask all of you, why would you risk our country?
By andy
September 10, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this
This Reagan idolizing ex Republican is for anybody but a Republican as long as Rove still lives.
This an unchristian power seeking vainglorious machine. Only a sheep would fail to see through Rove’s false professions of faith and humility, well Rove doesn’t even have the word in his head.
They broke the economy and everything else while they governed for eight years. Every time Rove gets closer to manipulating his way to another Republican white house, the stock market crashes, as it did after their nomiation speeches and after the bump polls arrived this week.
Now they breaking the very framework of democratic process with their un-christian bullying tactics .
By Blogmomme
September 11, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this
Thank you for the honesty. It is refreshing in this era of the spin-cycle. May Governor Palin and John McCain be held accountable for the lies.
By John
September 11, 2008 1:24 AM | Link to this
Most Republicans don’t mind lies. They are happy with the War Criminals in the White House who have lied for 8 years about everything. They have been busy trying to keep their lies concealed since the Democrats took over. They will steal this election. I’m sure there will be voter purge list’. They’re already using lists of Forclosures to purge those voters. Carl Rove is knee deep in all of this. Then the machines are a joke. No verifiable way to check our votes and know wether they count or not. This is Fascism. Palin is just using the same old tricks Hitler did. If you tell a lie enough times they will beleive it. She has Bushes campaign personel guiding her every move. Was’nt Prescott Bush Hitlers banker. Oh yes, now I remember, His bank was siezed along with assets for Trading With the Enemy. We had better wrestle control of this country out of the hands of Republicans or we are going to lose our freedom. In reality it is all ready gone we need to take it back if we can. I don’t know for sure Obama will do what he says but he has conducted his campaign with Honor. That tells me a lot about the man. Biden has done the same. He has been very generous to Palin. He is a good man. I cannot say that about McCain. He has stooped to smears and outright lies. He is well matched in Palin. Double the lies. I want change I can beleive in not more lies.
By Sandy
September 11, 2008 1:53 AM | Link to this
I think people are missing the timing of events here and the fact that there were TWO BRIDGES in that earmark.
I want to know who she said “no thanks” to. Congress changed the language of the earmark in 2005 by removing the designation of the funds for the TWO BRIDGES. She was elected in 2006.
In a compromise with Stevens because the bridge had become so controversial, congress removed the designation for the TWO BRIDGES - they changed the language to allow Alaska to keep the money. So who did she say “no thanks” to? Congress had already removed the bridges from the earmark.
Alaska could decide how to use the money. But isn’t that a bit of bait and switch, wink wink to still use it for these TWO BRIDGES? Congress got rid of their hot potato and Alaska could still proceed with their bridges?
We know one of these bridges - the infamous bridge-to- nowhere/ The other bridge is the Knik Arm Bridge (officially named Don Young’s Way). Work is continuing on that second bridge. Not actual construction yet but all the preliminary work with planning, environmental impact statements etc.
She didn’t say no thanks to that bridge.
In fact, she didn’t pull the plug on the bridge-to-nowhere until Alaska would have to pony up some money. I guess Alaska didn’t even want to build part of that bridge.
I don’t think enough attention has been paid to another earmark.
There was a separate earmark for the Gravina Island Highway (the road to no-where) which was to lead to the bridge-to-nowhere. The language on that earmark wasn’t changed. Alaska had to use the money for the highway or return it to the federal government. Surprise, surprise the Gravina Island Highway is under construction. Since there isn’t a bridge, it ends at an empty beach. This is the road to nowhere.
This road-to-nowhere is what Palin should have said “no thanks” to. Her claim of a reformer, maverick, looking out for taxpayer money would be more believable.
This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and a good soundbite from the McCain campaign
By michele
September 11, 2008 3:32 AM | Link to this
Did some of you folks take the short bus to school? If, from what I’m reading, everything in the last 7 years and some odd months has been nothing but gravy for you, I’d like to know in what country you live. If you’re a millionaire I understand why you think McCain and Palin are the second coming of Christ.
You people have had almost 8 years to get this right and you’ve managed to run up a huge deficit and kill thousands of our countrymen who have families and had decades of years yet to live to raise their children, see them married and get to know their grand children, all because a swaggering idiot CONVINCED you, through LIES, that this war was necessary.
The majority of desk top warriors crying for war obtained deferments in the 60’s. Polyps, bad knees, low weight, and anything else their connected people came up with - must be nice to be rich or connected………..Think Bush, Cheney, Rove, O’Reilly - wow, isn’t that interesting that the most strident defenders of this axis of evil war managed to find a way NOT to visit the Vietnam battleground. I’m sure you will find a way to dismiss the smoking gun when Lintball and Loofah man tell you why they weren’t available or acceptable for the draft. LOL - you fell for it before and they know you will again…
Except
This time your kids and grandkids are going, if McCain wins. Times, as Dylan said, they are a changin’. Lower and middle class families are not falling for the old okey doke. We know how they amd probably you stayed out of the Vietnam War. And guess what, this time we plan to follow suit. My kid is not fighting your war while you and yours sit on your fat asses and talk about how we can’t cut and run. If that’s how you feel, send your kid to fight because mine isn’t.
Now, McCain parades a woman, who he sequesters from the press lest she accidently tell the truth, and you folks believe she is the Virgin Mary with lipstick.
It doesn’t take a genius to realize that our economy is in the toilet, yet some of you folks think that continuing to beat your heads against a brick wall will eventually relieve the headache that occurred from the last 7 years of beating your head against a brick wall!
I expect that a conservative would think that any women is a replacement for any woman - remember what McCan did with the wife who waited for him after 5 1/2 years - yeah he married his mistress. So if you believe as McCain believes that any vagina replaces another vagina then you are just the voter he needs.
I’d like to believe that women haven’t crawled unto the McCain Trailer just because he chose Palin and she has a vagina.
BTW - Invest in a plastics factory if McCain wins - think body bags - your children and grandchildren. Like I said, someone has to fight your wars, and this time it won’t be my father, my brothers or my kid.
By Kane
September 11, 2008 7:01 AM | Link to this
Have we as a country learned nothing from the past eight years? How can the very same people who refused to hold this republican administration accountable for anything, and who ignored the embarrassment of Bush/Cheney at their own convention, now be so willing to defend the indefensible of McCain and Palin?
As a patriotic American who wants only the best of things for our country, it is beyond frustrating that some choose to prolong this national nightmare for four more years.
By Jo Anne Martinson
September 11, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Americans seem to know very little about the National Guard. I worked for my home state’s National Guard for 2.5 years, and the Governer has nothing to do with defense related operations and missions. His or her only power is to call out the Guard under very narrow, state specific non-military circumstances. That’s why Bush’s draft (and that’s what is is) of the Guard for combat duty is so insane. Sarah Palin is one of the biggest, most shameless liars ever to take the presidential stage.
By elizabeth
September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Wow, great article. I am going to subscribe and let your advertisers know that if they do not silence you I will even buy your products. The McCain Palin playbook (“If false statements are uncovered then repeat them as not all of the population will catch-on”) is intolerable to me as a citizen, mother, and human being.
By Buck
September 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
It’s great to see journalists ending their fascination with John McCain and turning to reality. Unfortunately, there is still a reality gap between traditional and electronic journalism. It does no good to the public if newspaper blogs—be it AC or WSJ—or magazine reporters on their own blogs—like Joe Klein on Time’s Swampland—report that McCain campaign is full of sleaze and lies unless their print and screen brethren do likewise. Sure, McCain’s campaign has been the sleaziest presidential campaign ever, but print and TV sources appear hesitant to let go of their love for the “maverick”, despite the fact that the maverick label is little more than a fig leaf for poor judgment and lack of respect for others. Similarly, blogs can tag Sarah Palin a gutless liar but no traditional publication has used even milder versions of such accusations so far. They use doublespeak terms, such as “questionable”, “incomplete” or “controversial”, when they mean “dishonest” and “fake”.
To date, every single accomplishment ascribed to Sarah Palin by the campaign or even in her own stump speeches has proved to be completely false—not “sort of”, “maybe misleading”, but outright lies and distortions. The hallmark or post-Atwater Republican campaigning has been to attack the opposition on their own weaknesses or on the opponents’ strengths. That means that Palin’s claims of Senator Obama’s affinity for earmarks are meant to distort Obama’s record while, at the same time, lying about her own. With traditional media fawning over McCain and Palin, it does not matter if a newspaper’s blog tells the truth—it has rise to the surface.
By patrick
September 11, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
all i hear from the repube party is twenty second sound bites. then obama has to deal with them because thats all that is reported. please obama stick to the issues dealing with the problems we face as a nation ( and they are many). then the repubes will be shown for what they truely are…..clueless and hopeless.
By pax
September 11, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Everyone is being fooled into judging the McCain Palin ticket on the personalities involved. Their personalities mean absolutely nothing. It’s the economy and basic freedoms and civil rights that affect people everyday. McCain and Palin will not discuss these issues because their party has unravelled both and will continue to do so if elected. So stick to the issues! Ignore Palin. Putting the spotlight on her makes everybody stupid.
By E. D.
September 11, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this
As a native Atlantan, now in Texas, hip-hip-hurray for the AJC! It’s great to see a lie called a lie. Maybe American journalism isn’t dead yet. Keep up the good work. And thanks!
By John
September 12, 2008 2:59 AM | Link to this
Jay, thanks for being one of the first who are speaking up and calling these statements by their true names: lies. Please, keep it up. We need people to call out these lies if we are to keep this country great.
I can’t believe that McCain and Palin are campaigning as if they represent conservative social values but tell blatant lies over and over again. If anything this tells me they DON’T respect traditional Christian values AT ALL…
By Just Me
September 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
I have just watched the Sunday Morning shows. Meet the Press etc. I agree with what the guy from Time Mag. said. “It should be a Palin/McCain ticket now” Where has John gone? Seems he has faded into a dishonest, dishonorable, “goofy grin” old man.
By Liar-loan McCain
September 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
McCain’s decision was the most deft campaign decision in our History. It even beat the Veep Choice James A Polk made with that squaw Susqueteena. This was when we first saw Indians, and they were still enjoying their celebrity. Americans loved everything Indian for months during the campaign of 1822. Susquiteena appeared on the cover of the Farmer’s Almanac with a bow and arrow, and a pride of rabbits slung over her shoulder. America was in love. Polk stole that election and then had Susqueteena put on a reservation, and replaced by James A Garfield, establishing a political dynasty that lasted till the civil war.
CNN just reported that Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney has chosen Sasquatch, or Bigfoot as her Veep Choice for 08. Her polls have bounced 50% since the announcement and is now considered a possible spoiler for Liar-loan McCain.
Obama 08: He’s already black, people.
By Just Me
September 14, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Now the NRC is saying that they want John McCain to campaign more with his glamor puss, Sarah Palin beside him. Just more evidence that he has no confidence in himself to win against Obama. What a wimp!!! Not exactly a hero as he claims.
By sonvme1
September 15, 2008 11:46 PM | Link to this
I can not believe that people in the US are still so filled with racism over 100 years past slavery that they would even consider voting for this Republican ticket! That is so shameful!!She is a liar, her daughter is a w*******, she has shown that she is treacherous and will terminate anyone not on her side, and John Mc Cain..5 yrs in a POW camp means HE IS CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama is the ticket. At least it is balanced with Biden having experience. If Obama was all white, he would have a 50 pt lead. That is really a shame. I hope you racist a***** burn in hell!!!!
By DRobertson
September 16, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this
When I heard Palin stating that again recently, I nearly choked. I can’t believe that people aren’t up in arms at her outright LIE about turning down the “bridge to nowhere”. I hope people wake up as to what the Karl Rove led Republicans are doing. Lying left and right to draw our attention away from the real issues facing our country.
By DRobertson
September 16, 2008 3:36 AM | Link to this
When I heard Palin stating that again recently, I nearly choked. I can’t believe that people aren’t up in arms at her outright LIE about turning down the “bridge to nowhere”. I hope people wake up as to what the Karl Rove led Republicans are doing. Lying left and right to draw our attention away from the real issues facing our country.
By lovingpolitics
September 16, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
PLEEEEEEEEZE, consider the source! AJC???? the Socialist newspaper of the South!!!! The newspaper who is giving away the bank to try & get subscribers!!! LMAO
By Ray
September 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Bush/Palin/McCain = Unstable & Unable
By Ed
September 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
I do not believe anything McCain or Palin says. Their lies and flip-flopping betray any chance of trustworthiness on their part. If some people don’t realize what a disaster the last 8 years have been to our country…they are asleep.