Jay Bookman

By @@

September 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

About the header to your column Jay….

Hmmm… McCain gets nice bounce

THAT ^^^ is a very sexist comment.

Oops! you weren’t talking about Sarah Palin.

My bad!

Or were you? Hmmmmmmmm

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

I think national polls in a state by state race are kind of silly, but this one will be interesting to look at tomorrow. This one has all three of the days since Governor Palin’s acceptance speech, but only two of the three days in the sample are after McCain’s acceptance.

I would say that since Obama had opened up an 8 point lead in this poll after his convention and now McCain is up 3, it’s more like an 11 point bounce so far.

By Ray

September 7, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

The Annointed One will need at least a 10% uptick in the polls to win. There are that many people in this country that will not vote for a black candidate. Like it or not, the truth hurts. You are leaving out the “can’t have a black candidate” vote along with the Hillary people who don’t want this empty suit who pushes around ladies just to win a primary. Add this to the ladies out there who will want Palin to win, no matter her abortion stance or her Evangelical bent on decisions. Add the rejuvenated GOP and you have a pure success story. This lady will win this election and it has the libs scared to death.

By TW

September 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

No change in Vegas, JAY.

Kind of like a Beauty pageant - everybody is waiting to see what Ms. South Carolin says….

What a tangled web we weave…

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Here’s some interesting polling data.

Meanwhile, 51% of those surveyed thought the press was “trying to hurt” Mrs. Palin with its coverage.

Perhaps most troubling for the press corps, though, was this finding: “55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations.”

By Rufus

September 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

Well this “bump” is a no-brainer. It was to be expected. Conservatism is certainly not dead. Once again we will be in a tight race like 2000, and the only thing I fear, REALLY fear, is an accusation of being a “racist” because “neocons” didn’t vote for Him The Chosen One. Only liberals like the former Democrat Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine “Obama would not be where he was if he were white” Ferraro could instigate that.

Jay made a good point on cut-n-pasting posting from other sources. I will heed that. However, someone needs to edumacate why “neocons” are here vs. Wooten’s blog. God Hates Trash needs help. I am me and onlyme:

Now, with regard to multiple IDs, are you still letting us know when someone signs in from the same account with a different screenname, or if someone namejacks?

One of my roles when I worked for a government agency out of northern Virginia was communications analysis. We studied written syntax, spellings, and colloquialisms to analyze written and typed material to determine authorship. A few times we worked on projects with domestic crime enforcement agencies, as well. Andi/Angelina/AJC and Rufus are one in the same, that is, the writings under both screennames are written by the same person.

By Dusty

September 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Ah RW-(the original) 5:44

The press trying to hurt Mrs Palin with its coverage!! They are “bulldozing” the whole family with media bias.

I feel sorry for conservative candidates. For the Palins, the latest dirt is something about an “affair”. I hope the originator of that one gets sued. If they don’t understand ethics they might understand losing money for their lies.

By @@

September 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

And……if the public wants to link that media bias to the outcome of the dem party nomination, it’s no wonder the voting public is displaying a lack of confidence in the selection of OBlahMa.

I tried to warn ‘em during the campaign. Don’t know why though. Maybe because it wasn’t right to let a party and its media railroad the voters?

I don’t know………too late now.

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

The thread goes where it goes. I’m just trying to discourage the practice of posting copied material from other sources as a way to hijack it.

Post your own thoughts and observations, if necessary with links to what you want to refer to. And no, this is nothing personal with anybody.

By CJ

September 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

With the post-convention bounce in mind, why does the Republican Party always get to enjoy the benefit of having their convention go last?

By Rufus

September 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

And with regards to polling and polls, I never really pay attention to them solely because I am suspect of the sampling data. Statistics 202.

GHT can get over it.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

There was actually another rumor after the affair rumor trying to paint Mrs. Palin as a racist. Even Koz has started pulling down blog threads about that one.

The one about the affair is telling and goes straight to the media bias and it’s hard not to call this one liberal bias. When the rumors about John Edwards surfaced the press just shrugged their collective shoulders, but on this one there are mainstream media folks crawling all over Wasilla. If they don’t find anything I think they should be forced to go back up there exactly six months from now and spend just as much time as they spend this time.

By Matthew

September 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

The votes McCain picked up were in states he was going to win anyway (like Kansas), but he has dropped votes in states he NEEDS (like New Mexico). His “lead” is an illusion.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

CJ,

The incumbent party holds their convention last. If you go back to 2000 you’ll see that Democrats went last.

By J$

September 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

I thought 91.0235664 of America was AGAINST McCain/Palin?

Just a bunch of trailer trash polling now eh?

By Rufus

September 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Jay, here’s a thought. Why not have you or Wooten or whoever host an AJC blog (maybe take turns) where everyone can have a free for all flame fest …let her rip - a Vent if you will. It is obvious that there are lot of pent up frustrations from all political spectrums that need an outlet who really aren’t interested in an honest debate.

By CJ

September 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

Thanks RW. I stand corrected.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

I guess you can read into this what effect the drive by media has on the people making up their own minds:

Blogger Charlie Martin has helpfully compiled all of the smears that the left has hurled at Sarah Palin. 54 and counting!

And they got a bounce?

Looks to me like the libs are just further discrediting themselves for no apparent good reason.

Or are they just fueling their hereditary rage?

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

How’s this going to play in the polls?

Now I was watching and right after where this clip leaves off Snuffalufagus said your Christian faith and The Dunce said yes, my Christian faith.

Now I really think he meant that McCain hasn’t made accusations of Barry being a Muslim even though this was after multiple attempts to accuse McCain that for some reason George didn’t let him get away with, but he really compounded his problem by taking thee cue from GS instead of explaining what he really meant.

By Jay

September 7, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

Since the VP announcement suburban women are electrified about the McCain/Palin ticket. Most could never connect with Hillary as a candidate. If my neighborhood is any indication, Gov Sarah Palin is all they are talking about. Also Oprah, a once god-like icon to them, has fell way out of favor.

A few Obama supporters may have crossed over to McCain, but the biggest surge is those that were not politically engaged are now fired up and voting for Palin/McCain (in that order!).

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Well, good evening all. It’s back to the trenches for me. Vacations are a very good thing.

This will be a tight election. We are tottering on the razor’s edge between fear and hope. I will always support hope.

I think it’s time we raised our voices to the safety of our election. We know now something about a “patch” on our voting machine programs, with a number of lost votes.

I want every McCain vote and every Obama vote and every Barr vote and every Nader vote….COUNTED

Let the chips fall where they may, both sides will continue the fight, but let’s make sure ALL the votes are counted and that they are counted CORRECTLY.

I’d love to show off a purple thumbprint on November 4th.

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Jay,

Gotta’ disagree with ya’.

The only suburban housewives I see “electrified” by Sarah Palin are those with electrodes in their necks! (Paging Mrs. Stepford!)

She’s cramming, she’s doing an all nighter, trying to pass the minimum skills requirement test.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected on my 7:01

In all the muttering of uh’s and uhms Obama does manage to say he meant McCain hadn’t called him a Muslim. He sure tried at first though.

Mrs. G,

Hope you had a great time. You may want to drop down to the post below this one and check out Jay’s new rule.

By Ray

September 7, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

News Flash,

John Edwards’s baby was thought to be conceived by his coke snorting video reporter but anonymous sources have just revealed that it was actually conceived by Edwards on his last trip to Alaska. His yearning to learn how to gut a moose turned into “something he couldn’t control” and all of a sudden, we have an issue. To Edwards credit, however, he has denied any knowledge of this affair and has given the prospective mother of the child permission to DNA test the baby to prove once and for all that he is a good trial lawyer, smitten by circumstances and willing to go the “extra mile” to assure the American voter that trial lawyers are not the bottom feeding scum that most of America’s image is pre-occupied with. Meanwhile, the mother of the baby has been mum about the details but still wants to run for VP of this fine country. She has obtained the help of Slick Willy Clinton to improve her image with the electorate. She hopes to recruit him into an active role in the NRA.

By Midori

September 7, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G - good to see you. You were missed :)

By Hillbilly Deluxe

September 7, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

The constant reporting of polls is the media covering a horse race. The only poll that matters is the one in November.

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 7, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

RW

Fresh seafood from Whole Foods - many, many stars to them!!!- cases of icy cold caronitas, a caravan of rented hosueboats that didn’t smell much of mildew and for another lucky year, incredible weather.

Mr. G and Big Brother lobbed balls onto the green from the top deck at sunset.

Mrs. Big Brother and I floated in the sun, read and learned how to turn the jet ski just so….soaking the menfolk and good for a laugh!

I hope everybody gets a week like that every year. We all deserve it.

By the new rule…do you mean the note that e-mail addresses are required? So?

Or am I missing something? Been known to happen!

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 7, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

Hey Midori!

A real vacation plays hell with a news junkie. No inter-tubes! All I had was CNN and MSNBC….so much air time so little information!

Thinking Mans Tavern on the 11th? Drinking Liberally?

Gotta get Goldie and Bosch.

By rmorrow

September 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

The results of this bit of Obama’s “community organizing”? Unmet promises, $100,000 n government waste, a donation for Obama and a sweetheart deal for the donor.

Obama’s $100,000 garden grant wasted He vowed to ‘work tirelessly’ to build an oasis for Englewood. It never happened.

“As a state senator, Barack Obama gave $100,000 in state money to a campaign volunteer who failed to deliver on a plan to create a botanic garden in one of Chicago’s most blighted neighborhoods.

Obama — who was running for Congress when he announced the project in 2000 — said the green space in Englewood would build ”a sense of neighborhood pride.”

Instead, what was supposed to be a six-block stretch of trees and paths is now a field of unfulfilled dreams, strewn with weeds, garbage and broken pavement.

Kenny B. Smith, whose nonprofit group got the money, said it was spent legitimately, mostly on underground site preparation. But he admitted Thursday that the garden is a lost cause because other government money never came through.

“We gave up,” said Smith, who heads the Chicago Better Housing Association. “It was a losing battle.”

Smith — an early Obama supporter who gave $550 to his state and congressional campaigns — said he gave his paperwork documenting the work to a state agency and no longer has it. A Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity spokeswoman said officials would look into the matter.”

By Midori

September 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

that sounds great; just let me know.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

Sounds great.

No I wasn’t talking about an email rule and I told you where to find the new one. You being the foremost violator of the new rule I was just trying to help you out.

By T

September 7, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

Obama’s $100,000 garden grant wasted He vowed to ‘work tirelessly’ to build an oasis for Englewood. It never happened.

LOLOLOLOLOLLOL…. Are you comparing $100,000 to the millions spent for the bridge to no where?

By GodHatesTrash

September 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

George Dumbya Bush’s selection and election have taught us to never misunderestimate the number of scared stupid misanthropes that vote in this country.

Let’s face it, no way the small-minded small towners and suburbanites in this country are ever going to elect a black man President of the United States of America. I think Obama will suffer the Harvey Gantt effect - white racists - and Governor Palin shows us there are hundreds of millions in the US - that say publicly they are voting for him will change their vote in the booth.

I don’t think the 2008 Electoral College map is going to change much, if at all. Obama might get NM this time, I think Palin locks down the gundamnentalist votes, and the mountain west is full of wannabe cowboys, so CO probably stays GOP.

Ohio and Pennsylvania are overrun with Appalachians, and those folks are scared to death of black people. Palin is all about generating fear, hate, resentment, and finding scapegoats - I’m waiting for her to blame Hollywood for getting Bristol pregnant - and she’ll help McCain rebuild the GOP bridge to these hatefilled nobodies from nowhere.

McCain will definitely take OH, probably PA too. He won’t need PA, anyway.

My best guess is the only changes to 2004 are Obama swaps PA for NM (a poor trade), and loses the Electoral College 236-302.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Yikes!

My Sounds great. was in response to the vacation, not the drunken moonbat party.

By GodHatesTrash

September 7, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. …The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a “prophetic conference” at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie “Jesus Camp.” …The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form “Joel’s Army” to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God.

(Hopefully Governor L-o-l-a will use her new superpowers for the good of the people of the USA, not the Christian Kingdom of Alaska).

Fundamnentalists will eat this stuff up. She’s as crazy as they are. Never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. The bounce is all the morons turning their frowns about McCain upside down for McCain/Palin.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this

Yyaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn.

By rmorrow

September 7, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

“By T September 7, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this Obama’s $100,000 garden grant wasted He vowed to ‘work tirelessly’ to build an oasis for Englewood. It never happened.

LOLOLOLOLOLLOL…. Are you comparing $100,000 to the millions spent for the bridge to no where?”

Uh no, because that project had nothing to do with McCain.

I guess your rationale for everything is that any criticism of Obama record can be countered by anything done by the last Congress? Does that mean I get to hold the actions of the current (13% approval rating) Congress against Obama?

Better yet, why don’t you judge the candidates by their own record. If you did, you would see that McCain has been the biggest opponent of such waste that the Senate has had for decades.

But hey, I guess if Obama got busted for corruption, you would feel fine with it as long as Ted Stevens got busted for a little more. How pathetic.

By @@

September 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

GHT:

My best guess is the only changes to 2004 are Obama swaps PA for NM (a poor trade), and loses the Electoral College 236-302.

Well so be it, but……..

Let’s face it, no way the small-minded small towners and suburbanites in this country are ever going to elect a black man President of the United States of America.

What’s that ^^^? You’re best attempts to incite a race war?

Give me a break! The Democrats promoted a candidate with radical, “socialist” ties, and who just happens to be black. Not a nice thing to do to African Americans and their hope for this country’s first black president. Your party’s fault, not ours.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The first black president will be a man or woman who holds traditional conservative values.

I’ll cast THAT vote enthusiastically and without reservations.

By Eldora

September 7, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin lied in her acceptance speech. Sarah Plain was brutal, nasty and sarcastic in her attacks.
When the media question her record as small town mayer and governor of the least populated but richest per capita state in the nation and wonder why the conservatives would promote teenage pregnancy as normal family values, it is considered sexest and bullying?

Come on now.

By J$

September 7, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

Sucks for you, GodHatesTrash.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

McCain leads Democrat Barack Obama by 50%-46% among registered voters, the Republican’s biggest advantage since January and a turnaround from the USA TODAY poll taken just before the convention opened in St. Paul. Then, he lagged by 7 percentage points.

Look what’s buried down at the bottom.

In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/— 3 points for both samples.

By jay

September 7, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Polls have been debunked long ago.Get up with the facts ladies and gents.The media has there own motives and attempts with polling.Notice both Mccain and Obama have expressed dislike over polling,being both are aware of the connection that is not there politically due to there own attempts.All evidence points to a possible landslide victory in Obamas way,i mean Mccain/Palin have yet to gather nearly as many people as Obama is capable of gathering.The support is lackluster,the republican new voter registration numbers have declined while the democratic numbers of newly registered voters have increased alot.Do not fall for polling.

By getalife "whiners"

September 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

He’s back

Wonder what the story about Palin’s baby Drudge is reporting is about?

Manual Tavern still open?

I will drink you libs under the table.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Let’s see if this helps our poll numbers:

Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.

Uh, so why do it in the first place?

Dunce.

By Ray

September 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

It isn’t just a convention bounce, but if the Wonder Boy goes into Nov 3rd with these numbers, forget it. He and his staff are in panic after the RNC convention. They know that 19mos on the road are for naught if he doesn’t pull a rabbit out of the liberal hat, the game is over. Palin will win this election for McCain. He will serve just one term and let her and Hillary duke it out. Somehow, I think that the moose hunter will win,warts and all. And I think that the Demos know it and they are scared to death.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this

I’d like to see this focus grouped

How can this Dunce say with a straight face that McCain is trying to lose Iraq, while presumably Barry has it won?

Maybe his thinking about joining the military gives him special insight

Although he never mentioned this thought process in either of his memoirs. On another note, weren’t we involved in a little bit of a mess with Iran back in 1979?

This thought must have been fleeting and in between tokes.

By Dusty

September 7, 2008 9:47 PM | Link to this

As far as I can see God Hates Trash has broken the rules @8:53. That long cut’n’paste is stolen propaganda.

His opinion part is Trash In and Trash Out. Same ol’ same ol’.

He did say “Never misunderestimate (?) the stupidity of the American electorate. Since he is one of the electorate, that statement may have some validity.

Liberals are acting like kids who didn’t get invited to the party. There hasn’t been a happy one here all day. NOW you libs get it.

The fat lady has sung the Requiem. Au revoir, mon amis de libs.

By J$

September 7, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

getalife, come on over to Everybody’s.

Great pizza, great people.

Even the libs will have a stout with them.

As long as you say O-bama.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

As I was saying earlier:

MSNBC drops Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews from anchor chair… David Gregory will anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night

Gregory is the anti Pinko, well, as far as PMSNBC is concerned anyway, nust be getting some negative feedback, huh?

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC-M,

I’ve seen a lot of joy over that Olberman/Mathews bit of news on the right side of the blogosphere. It only sounds to me like they won’t be considered news anchors on debates nights or election day. That frees them up to be “analysts” and be even worse than they are from the anchor chair where they are supposedly restrained.

By rjbunny

September 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

The country is trillions of dollars in debt, with much of it having been borrowed from overseas banks, food is expensive and comes from distant, often less regulated regions in terms of safety, we have no national policy on future energy development - worse -200 year old steam, coal and gas turbines technology are the preferred way forward. It is time to move into the 21st century. Solar, wind and wave power is readily available and will not run out. The country needs an energy policy which will encourage development and investment in the next wave of power generation - not ancient, industrial revolution era ideas that are still around because the infrastructure is still profitable, if not sustainable. Think! Vote intelligently! It’s not about race, gender or religion. It’s about the future or continuing to live in the past.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this

In the absence of our host, shall we put the following motion upon the table?

After 5 hours and 50 comments I believe we have sufficiently fleshed out the topic of a meaningless national tracking poll and should be free to go off topic.

All those in favor……..Aye

All those opposed….Nay (but you should be forced to make an on topic comment along with that vote)

Casting the first vote, RW-(the original) votes Aye!

By JAY BOOKMAN

September 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

I abdicate for the evening.

But be civil …. please?

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

I’m going to go out on a limb and call that an Aye from rjbunny, because you couldn’t get much more away from Jay B’s topic.

By rjbunny

September 7, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed that whenever republicans are in office for two terms - at least the last three times- the deficit balloons and ‘profit taking’ occurs. It seems as if the money has been sucked out of the economy and the national treasury and siphoned into Halliburton, Blackwater, Lockheed, Exxon - those with the pull in the republican party. The middle class has shrunk, the very rich are much richer - witness the waiting lists for ultra luxury yachts and other goods, and the numbers of poor people have grown.
Can a society continue in this direction without economic and social collapse? I think not. Vote Obama. His stated position is to reduce taxes on the middle class - those making less than $250,000 and reinstate the taxes that had been imposed on the ultra wealthy. Fairness. Bush gave away the store.

By getalife "whiners"

September 7, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks J$.

OMG, this must be the Time story Drudge is reporting

National Enquirer two for two.

Crazy cycle man.

RW,

KO is back to football. He lost it when he started posting at dkos. He will be gone soon. Tweety too. MSNBC is a mess.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this

In light of the first 10:31 the ayes have it and the motion is passed.

I second the motion for civility and consider it passed by acclimation. You know, the way Barry was nominated.

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Palinmania

Although this is actually and oddly on topic.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Alright, let’s tear it up.

J/k.

Here’s hoping thee Bears don’t collapse.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Devin Hester time?

By AJC/DNC Management

September 7, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

No need for Hester, yet.

By Dusty

September 7, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

Of course I vote “aye” but I’m too sleepy to enjoy the acclimation. Have fun.

G’nite……even bunnyrabbit…wherever you are….whatever

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

I caught part of a replay of the 2006 debate of the three candidates for Alaska governor. The debate was a low-key affair, but two things struck me. First, Palin was quite poised and well-spoken. Second, several times she used only about half of the time allocated for her response. She answered the question clearly and directly and then simply stopped talking.

If Republican operatives let Palin be Palin, Republicans could get some joy from the contrast with Joe Biden.

That’s from Power line, but I won’t bother to link because that’s the whole thing and there’s no link to the video/audio over there.

Let’s let Sarah’Cuda be herself against Hairplugs, by all means.

By RW-(the original)

September 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Sorry Andy, I bet that game was about a year and a half late for you, but congrats anyway.

By Claire

September 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

All candidates get a bounce after their convention. I truly hope that is all there is to it. If not, the American public has proven me wrong yet again. I really didn’t think that this time the GOP could pull the wool over the public’s eye with GIMMICKRY. Or as the GOP and McCain powers that be would say: ‘Middle and working class Americans very rarely vote their economic and global interest. So let’s NOT talk about the issues or how we plan to solve them. Let’s just talk about ‘Hanoi Hilton McCain’; bring in a woman who NEVER even got a passport until 2007, but who can gut a deer and believes that Creationism should be taught in schools. Oh yeah, and let’s not let her speak to the press because we wouldn’t want her to say something stupid until we finish indoctrinating her’. If McCain wins, Palon will need to give all of us lessons on how to live in the wilderness and hunt and cook moose, as most of us will no longer be able to afford shelter or food.

By RW-(the original)

September 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

Claire,

Governor Palin has an interview with ABC scheduled for later this week. I’m sure it won’t be the last.

By weuniversity

September 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

you man student greed tom

By RW-(the original)

September 8, 2008 12:35 AM | Link to this

I may have been too caught up in election coverage, but I’m not sure how I missed this.

RIP Jerry Reed

By New Orleans East

September 8, 2008 12:41 AM | Link to this

This country is at a critical juncture. It will either rise to be what it proclaims in the Constitution or it will hold fast to its darker truthes. Obama’s fit for this moment in time has nothing to do with race and everything to do with purpose. If this capitalistic society wishes to continue its existence with 1% of the wealthy controlling the other 99% and making fools of 50% rather than to share our collective wealth with all having a seat at the table and near fair chance of succeeding….then so it shall be. I pray for our Country to be restored to it former greatness to realize it’s potential. WOW, McCain and a woman that should be home caring for her newborn son and supporting her young daughter is going to study for 58 more days to be our international leader and Commander in Chief. The excess stress will challenge the senior Senator and his health….every medical professional will concur. WOW!

By AJC/DNC Management

September 8, 2008 5:25 AM | Link to this

I Can’t believe these prissy little liberals are really going to pursue this:

Facing allegations that the U.S. spied on its Iraqi allies, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Sunday defended the relationship between the two governments as “very open and transparent.” But she did not directly confront the assertion, raised in a new book by Bob Woodward, that the Bush administration spied extensively on Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and others in the Baghdad government.-Urinal/Jihad.

It’s absolutely ridiculous to say that we shouldn’t have spied on the Iraqi government, I remember somebody saying the words Trust but verify.

All it shows is how very, very little the liberals have.

Lame~o.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 8, 2008 5:30 AM | Link to this

The Urinal still trying to extract themselves from this:

The U.S. military said Sunday it has “new information” about an American attack that Afghanistan says killed 90 civilians, and a senior U.S. military officer is being sent to the country to review the initial U.S. investigation, which concluded that no more than seven civilians died.-Urinal/Jihad

Let me guess, we need to give the Taliban enough time to find and kill 60 children so they can stage their fake propaganda photos for the viewing pleasure of the libs in the AJC/DNC?

Sick.

By daywatchthis

September 8, 2008 5:34 AM | Link to this

juicy are green america german usa clean ibm

By AJC/DNC Management

September 8, 2008 5:42 AM | Link to this

Uh-oh:

“You look at Obama’s economic advisers, the guys he has counted on from day one and who have raised him a ton — and I mean a ton — of money: Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of them are waist to neck deep in the mortgage debacle.”

Both Raines and Johnson have served as CEO of Fannie Mae, with Raines taking over from Johnson. Both are key political and economic advisers to Obama.

Buh bye barry.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 8, 2008 5:50 AM | Link to this

That girl:

Every attack on Palin seems to have backfired so far. Internet rumor-mongers had a field day (by Sunday, conservative blogger Charles Martin had listed 69 different Palin rumors), and yet her popularity increased. With Palin on the ticket, McCain attracted overflow crowds in excess of 10,000 at each stop Friday and Saturday in Wisconsin, Michigan and Colorado. Just three weeks earlier, by comparison, the Republican drew only 3,000 to a Pennsylvania rally.

Our girl.

Our Presidency.

By Bud Wiser

September 8, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

A president’s pension currently is $191,300 per year, until he is 80 years old.

Assuming the next president lives to age 80, Sen. McCain would receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as president. Sen. Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would receive $4,973,800 in pension.

Therefore it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in November.

How’s that for non partisan thinking???

By TW

September 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Even more economically sound to elect Palin - she’ll hurry up the second coming and we won’t have to worry about any of it!

McSame/Bushgirl ‘08 BECAUSE YOU REALLY ARE THAT STUPID!

By zeke

September 8, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

Hopefully McCain will get at least 70% of the vote and we can send a message to the democrat, liberal, socialist, populist class warfare idiots that the USA is a free, private, personal, individual country, and, NOT A SOCIALIST COMMUNIST FASCIST MARXIST country!!!!!!!!!!!!

By marko

September 8, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Anybody that thought it was going to be easy to elect a black man with a funny name as president of the good old U.S. of A. is as delusional as our current leader. For one thing, the Republicans Are’nt playing fair, they actually nominated a pretty good man. Second the situation in Iraq has improved to point that the once dejected party faithful have dusted off their mission accompished banners. A little premature again. If the election comes to the war, Grandpa Munster will triumph, however if Obama can keep things focused on the economy stupid we could still show the world that we’re not the ignorant bigoted rednecks we’ve been made to seem over the last eight years. Just like Kennedy and Tricky Dickie, this things going down to the debates. May the best man win. The silver lining has got be that at the end of the day the village idiot goes back to Crawford.

By Willie

September 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Well, Palin helps the ticket and the wacho liberals are denying it. It sure is fun reading you edumacated liberals and your points of view. I can see college professor really soaked you good. Imaginge the unimaginable…McCain wins the Presidency. Imagine…Imagine…Imagine..Imagin.

I know if you liberals hear it enough you will believe it is true…Imagine…Imagine.

By Shawny

September 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

The last two times a democrat was elected president and had a sizable democratic congress, we got the New Deal with Roosevelt and the Great Society with Johnson.

Let’s not do that again. We don’t need any new social programs.

By "The Corporal"

September 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

JAY

Your candidate is struggling ………

1) “My Muslim Faith” …………

2) “I was going to join the military” ……….. (but since there was no war why waste my time).

By AmVet

September 8, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

For one thing, the Republicans Aren’t playing fair, they actually nominated a pretty good man.

Technically true, marko, but it was NOT the established GOP.

Karl Rove and his puppets who run the party, despise McCain as a RINO.

They would have chosen almost anybody other than him if they could have. (Maybe not Ron Paul!)

Fat Fred, Flip-flopping Lurch, Prayerful Sam & Huck and even 9/11 Rudy are MUCH more akin to their neo-con ideology, have generally march in jackbooted lockstep with BushCo and are therefore one of them.

It was independents, centrists, moderates, disenchanted Democrats and disgusted Republicans who got McCain the nomination

Now the chicken hawks, ostriches and closet racists have finally jumped on the maverick’s bandwagon as well.

It may just be enough to get him the White House…

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Why is it that if you are a conservative, you are either a moron or an idiot? Is it possible that only libs have benefited from elite education, and they have the right to look down on the poorly educated conservatives….. Wow, as an independent voter who has voted both democratic and republican, I am amazed at all the smart people on the “left” side…..I am equally amazed at the amount of ANGRY people on the left side. It would seem that if you don’t believe exactly what the left believes then your an idiotic moron who has NO education. Maybe someone can enlighten me…

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

How bad does it have to get for people to realize that Republicans are not for the average American? A lack of knowlege on the part of most Americans is what keeps Republicans in the White House. Ok high gas prices, high cost of health care, sub-standard schools —-BOO! But wait….we can get them by saying “We love America”…and DUH you fall for it everytime. Loving American means loving the people of American and wanting whats best for them.

No one is asking for a dang handout (it was Bill CLinton who signed the welfare to work program) but dont reward companies for sending jobs oversees, dont give big oil companies tax breaks while they are fleecing the American public, increase funding to our public schools because the child in that school could be the one who saves my life as a future doctor or takes my life as a future criminal —- so we all should be concerned about educating our youth. Yeah what would Jesus do? Not spew the divisive rhetoric of the Republican party that’s for sure.

By AmVet

September 8, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Hmmmmm, if the foo sh!ts…

Just kidding, just kidding.

I have not voted Democratic in the past two presidential elections and have NO intention of doing so this time. I voted for a local GOP representative and even swallowed my pride and voted for Ronnie once. I am a man with no party who will vote for Nader this time.

In some ways i am pretty liberal, in others quite traditional.

I believe the issue revolves around the word “conservative”.

I contend that there a re virtually none in this country. Plenty of neo-cons to be sure but that’s about it.

Only after having the truth shoved in their faces for years do most of these self-named/misnamed “conservatives” finally admit that the hijacked GOP of BushCo is NOT, in any real way conservative.

I’ve asked a dozen times for anyone to list the basic tenets of true American conservatism and NO ONE EVER has done so. And to justify their (mis)use of this word.

Why do you think this is so?

By Paul

September 8, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

AmVet

“I have not voted Democratic”

“even swallowed my pride and voted for Ronnie”

“I am a man with no party”

And finally, “I am pretty liberal, in others quite traditional’

Not to fear! We have a theme song for you!

Link: theme song

I know, some here think it oughta be Obama’s, others McCain’s. You can claim it first!

Nice to have you back -

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Veterans coming home and receiving substandard health care—— Oh yeah but we love our troops. Americans dying because they can’t afford to get proper health care ——but Yeah we love our Country. Unwed moms can barely get assistance to get on their feet — but we are Pro-life (please have your baby but you both can die of starvation for all we care after the baby is born) Americans can be do dumb.

Wake up people! I don’t care if a candidate is black or white or had a red, white, and blue flag stamped on their face…what are your goals, your position on the issues, oh yeah I am a Christian I love God too…but what are you planning to do in your “government office” to serve the people and govern the country accordingly. Tell me that first and then wave your flag all you want because then I know you are a true American.

By Willie

September 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

OK it is confession time!!! I am a registered DEMOCRAT and have been all my life. However, after Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs I stopped voting Democrat. Then there was Jimmy Carter(OMG). Then the liberals came, you know like the National organization for women, but they ment liberal women just like most of you women who blog here who are trampling Palin. You kept us from drilling for oil(environmental extremist), cutting lumber, and building more nuclear plants. You have been proven wrong on all three. You have abandoned traditional America and want to make it more social(communists) and you call it progressive. You do not want me to be free but rather tell me what freedoms I should have. I have a 2yr degee and not a graduate of HAAARRVARRD. I am also a veteran. I do not let the media decide who I should vote for…I do not let a PARTY decide who I should vote for, and I do not let a union tell me how to vote. I will not change a community because one person disagrees with it. If you vote for Obama because he is a Democrat, then you have ducked your responsiblity as a citizen. If you think Obama is the better man then please do not call me a moron.

By EW

September 8, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

What’s sad for the dems is that the polls are generally slanted towards the liberal stance. What’s sadder is that they want to play the race card…good grief the guys couldn’t successfully build a park.

AmVet, can you list the basic tenets of conservatism? My bet is no. While I agree that there are few true conservatives left, your comment about being “liberal” in some ways lends me to believe you are confusing libertarianism with conservativism.

By Nativebird

September 8, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

“Elle” is correct!

Repulicans will sell you your own shoes if you allow them to. WAKE UP! They are not concerned about the average American. They continue to lie to you and you believe what they say. Obama is not going to raise YOUR taxes. He is proposing pre-Bush Tax Cut/Term rates. Clinton era taxation which taxes Large Corporations and the Wealthy at a more fair rate in proportion to what the average American (most of you) pays! It is those wealthy mostly older white folk who are pushing this agenda. If you looked at the audience at the RNC, who was there in mass? Ok.

Don’t be scared (Republicans fear mongering) into thinking Obama wants us dead. He will protect our country. He will work with the Generals/Admirals, Joint Chief of Staff, etc. to make sure that we do what is needed as a nation to be protected, protect our allies, and repair our standing, make new allies, etc.

Don’t be stupid! Obama want’s to educate all children so that there will be no need to rob, steal, whatever. When you have a job, you don’t need to do that. We must educate all people, equally no matter what it takes.

Don’t be ill! Obama will make sure everyone has access to affordable healthcare.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME OF THEIR MONEY ARE THE CORPORATIONS WHO ARE RAKING IN HISTORIC EARNINGS CURRENTLY

HE IS NOT MUSLIM HE IS HALF-WHITE HE IS CHRISTIAN HE IS LOGICAL HE IS A LAWYER

These are facts. Obama will give afford our country the opportunity to flourish again (Clinton style economic activity and growth, even debt reduction because of increased solvency). He will listen to other ideas and plot the best course for the country (all people) instead of directing any growth [the growth currently is in military and all that support the military=government contractors, oil&gas, ammunition, aviation, etc., these industries are doing great] just to industries you are connected to.
I own my own small business, employ almost 20 people in two states. I believe that Obama will be good for our country and my future. Don’t be fooled by McCain/Palin people, look beyond them an what they claim to stand for, look at who wins and loses under their policies.

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

AmVet

You pose a very good question! I am not sure that any TRUE conservatives exist. I think we are basically are a people who has become lazy and spoiled. We want everything to be handed out to us.

The politicians have played this to their advantage. They know full well that a growing percentage of the population is just willing to wait on a handout. The Democrats are the “peoples” party, HOW ABSURD! They are just as corrupt as their friends on the right side. The question should be, How long will the good people of this country allow this to continue!

I am an educated man.(well maybe not as educated as some of the democrats on this blog.):) I am still very optimistic that somebody can make a difference. I gave Gov. Palin five minutes of my time the other night and she kept me up until the end of her speech.

I have always been a judge of good character, and I was pleasantly pleased with the governor from Alaska. Yes, she had someone who wrote that speech for her, but I will submit to anyone that 100 percent of that speech was all about Gov. Palin, and she was very instrumental in every word or phrase. She is a breath of fresh air and I hope that she is as strongly committed when she gets to Washington as she is today. If she holds tight to her resolve it is most likely that she will be our first woman President.. IMHO.

I for one will be glad to vote for her….

By norman ravitch

September 8, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

McCain has bounced on the trampoline of Christian Fascism.

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

nativebird

If you truly have a small business, you had better READ the fine print. Depending on “YOUR INCOME” Obama will tax you to death. Those are the FACTS! Small business should be very SCARED.

By ByteMe

September 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

What’s the difference between an Islamo-fascist and a Christian Fascist?

“Lipstick.”

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

ByteMe

Original……

By marko

September 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

AmVet Like I totally agree with you dude. You must be a smart guy just like me. This brings me to poor old Hmmmmm, Hmmmmm there are only two kinds of drivers idiots and maniacs. The idiots drive slower than we do while the maniacs speed past us. That pretty well covers drivers now on to people in general there are still just two kinds, the obviously brilliant ones that agree with us and the morons that don’t. This is pretty easy stuff I’m sure that you’ll get the hang of it eventually.

By rightytighty

September 8, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Oh darn…, I missed Cynthia’s attackers last week!?(eyes rolling) Oh well.., as the old saying goes, don’t p** in the wind if you don’t want p** in your face.

I mean think about it.., was Jamie Spear’s mother 9 months pregnant, with a Down Syndrome child, at the time Jamie Lynn was out hitting the town in celebrity style? Was there any parental limitation on Jamie Lynn’s partying at all?? I certainly didn’t see it in US Weekly..

And isn’t that in fact quite different than Palin’s daughter? Who used her family’s pain and distractions to achieve selfishness?? Yes, quite different. And Ms Tucker’s use of it to biasedly attack her candidates rival is disgusting! Sorry, but I think Sinthia got exactly what she deserved.., called out on it.

But anyway.., keep up the good work there Ms Tucker. Your constant partisan attacks are hurting your candidates ability to appeal to middle America. Job well done..;)

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Only time will tell, Marko….. I appreciate the vote of confidence. :)

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Can someone who supports the Republican party just inform me (in an intelligent manner) how you reconcile their policies with the “good of the American people”?

Pro-Life - But against programs that help poor single mothers to get on their feet.

Love our troops - But do not work to get better programs to support our veterans.

Love their country - When you love your country does that include the people? Or do you just love the trees and the dirt and stuff? If you love your country then you love your people and when they are hurting you help.

Not handouts but policies that don’t reward companies for shipping jobs overseas. By ensuring that Americans can afford to go to the doctor (remember Pro-life right). Just tell me why you support the Repulicans with everything we have seen happen in the past eight years and then maybe I will understand.

By rightytighty

September 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

It’s called self-responsiblity Ellle.

Survival of the fittest, capitalism. It is what made America great ya know.. And don’t kid yourself about republicans not caring about people. We are in fact the ones who give the most to charity. Not to mention the 33% of our paychecks every week! And no Ellle, you can’t have more!!

By Paul

September 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

Elle

“Pro-Life - But against programs that help poor single mothers to get on their feet.”

Specifics? Didn’t Pres Clinton get a lot of heat from some Dems for working with moderate Dems and Reps to pass the same welfare reforms to get working mothers on their feet that we have today?

“Love our troops - But do not work to get better programs to support our veterans.”

Specifics? Has there been a bill for increased defense spending (or specifically, veterans) opposed by Reps? Or Dems? Sure, problems are found, but then doesn’t the money start flowing?

“Love their Country, help unfortunates” It’s pretty clear (Professor Albert Brooks, Syracuse University, Who Cares: The Surprising Truth About Who Is Charitable, Who Isn’t, and Why It Matters for America) that conservatives/religious people at all income levels have a much higher level of charitable giving than liberals/nonreligious. Main reason for liberals (Dems?) not being generous is their view that it’s a government role - so when a law is passed mandating higher taxes to support a program, they’ll comply. Just not voluntarily.

By Willie

September 8, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

By Ellle September 8, 2008 11:54 AM I do not support the Republican congress in the past that have lost their conservative values. However, I can not support the present Democrats congress because they have no values and they refuse to do the peoples business. You and your cohorts scream Mcbush and such but have you seen Pelosi and Reed do the peoples business? Elle do you know that congress makes the laws and not the President or judges? I will gladly trade Obama for McCain if you will trade the democtractic do nothing congress for a conservatives congress and house or a congress that will do the people business. Remember both candidates are congressman! John McCain has not always voted with the conservatives but your man Obama has always voted liberal—unless it was a majority vote that did not matter.

You liberals are making me pay higher gas bills so the country will get off oil. How dare you hold me hostage for your beliefs or your political agendas! You say reconcile polices. Compromise for liberals is for me give up my values and accept your values. You give up nothing. What have you given up Elle? please tell me in a intelligent manner.

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

First on self-responsibility. Sorry but I can’t negotiate what breaks corporations get for moving jobs oversees no matter how responsible I am. I can’t talk self responbility to get affordable health care for all Americans.

2nd, the work to welfare program is a good one and who signed that — a Democrat Bill Clinton.

3rd, as much as I would love to do your research for you simply go to www.congress.org and you will see the tons of bills and policies that were passed by Republicans (some are tucked nicely away as ad-ins in other bills) that shows how hypocritical this party is.

4th, charitable giving—ha —don’t make me laugh..I am not talking about what money is dropped in the buckets of clergymen in hopes they will keep you in the white house (you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours). I am speaking of your tax dollars—-WHOA I know that blew you away. Show some charity by giving of your tax dollars to help those in need.

Also by the way, Palins pregnant teenager is fortunate that she was born into a well to do family so she does not need the program that Gov. Palin line item vetoed to help pregnant teenagers get housing. Such a hypocrite.

Also, speaking of Sarah Palin, who in their ever loving right mind would support Russ Limbaugh as President? She supported him ….now look that up as well.

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Willie…..give me a break…so now the Democrats are responsible for the high price of gas? Are you not old enough to remember the Clinton-era? The Republicans tooks a good economy and threw it down the drain and you want to blame the Democrats. I guess 9/11 is our fault too because Bush did not take heed to the warning.

Bush does not take heed to 9/11 warning and we have the worst terrorist act in history on American soil and he becomes a hero—-cough cough. I mean what about the other Presidents who did not have the worst Terrorist act in history…..now they were the heros.

Bad on economy, Bad on supporting our Troops, Bad on Homeland Security, just plain bad. There is nothing good I can say about this administration.

I liked McCain at first until he became McSame by nominating Sarah Pittlan I mean Palin. He showed me that he is not running the show and is just the more of the same.

By Paul

September 8, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Elle 12:36

First, the “corporate sell-out” label applies to libs and cons, Dems and Reps. They give it different names, but it’s the same thing. Even the advocates don’t practice what they preach. Take the whipping boy of the farright – George Soros, he who is a oneworldsocialistwhatever. Care to guess where he keeps a good portion of his billions? Correct – Caribbean accounts. Offshore. Why? To avoid US income taxes. Think of all the suffering that could be alleviated if this paragon of helping others simply paid his fair share of taxes.

My point Pres Clinton’s welfare reforms – they were vigorously opposed by many within his party.

Your 3rd point – of course! Same’s true for Dems. Which is why Obama’s running on “Change” and McCain on “Change & Reform.”

4th – charitable giving: perhaps you should consider that the money dropped in buckets amounts to billions. And much of it goes directly to needy here or to impoverished overseas. Your response perfectly illustrated my point: private giving doesn’t count in the eyes of many liberals. Only gov’t programs.

There is a place for both.

Your comment about helping pregnant teenagers get housing: take a person with few job skills, who decides to keep her infant (choice) rather than aborting or putting up for adoption, then providing them a place to stay and food to eat: doesn’t that simply condemn them to a life of poverty? Unintended consequences abound.

By Nativebird

September 8, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Hmmmmmm - yes I do have a small company that I hope will grow to a large company. That’s the reason I just saw your remark, I am running that company right now. Anyway, I worked for a company that was at the time 3 times the size that my company is now. To quantify, if my company does ~$5M a year, it did at least 3 times that amount in the Clinton era and grew every year. Why? Although you did not see record profits from oil and other isolated industries, the growth was in multiple new businesses. The internet, expanding government outreach to minority groups by cutting red tape and making joint ventures easier and in most places even required. Each municipality should offer business opportuinties to the masses,not jus the well connected.

My business will be taxed at the same rate or less under Obama, with other programs that will help me obtain capital or financing at market rate. I am not worried at all, and when I become very wealthy like many of my mentors, I want to pay my fair share of taxes to help those less fortunate. You should be ashamed that it is not in your heart to give and serve others. I promise you, I will continue to pay my taxes, grow my company, and increase the opportunities for my family and the society that we matriculate in. The tax plan Barak outlined cut taxes for the middle-class and eliminates the Tax Cuts for folk making $250K+, bringing them(us)back to proportionally what they(we) should have been anyway!
Hmmmmmmm - stop being a selfish/nincumpoop! Besides the government needs the money to put into new schools, after school programs, job training, job fairs, military vet programs, conservation efforts, research, and the list goes on. *WE HAVE TO FIX WHAT HAS BEEN SCREWED UP FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, THAT’S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME, MUCH BETTER AND DIFFERENT DECISION MAKING, NEW IDEAS, ETC. PRETTY MUCH OBAMA/BIDEN *

you sound pretty smart, don’t be a Bubba……a lot of people counting on Bubba’s…..

By RealityKing

September 8, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Dear Nativebird,

Why haven’t you been paying your so-called fair share of tax!? If this is what you truely believe, then you could have easily paid your so-called fair share. Or do you need someone else to enforce your beliefs onto you!!??

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Thank you Nativebird… you sound pretty smart so you were probably not educated in Georgia huh :). These people scare me. Republicans are counting on the dummies and the ones who fall for the okie doke to continue to run this economy into the ground. Its futile to discuss it here.

Yes I know there is no perfect party or candidate (I do not support everything that Democrats support)but I know I used to pay less for food, gas, health care, utilities,etc. I know that I could ride through the streets of Georgia and see stores flourishing and not all boarded up like they are now. I know the average American is worst off now than when Bush took over 8 years ago——Now that is something we all should know.

Also I know that a teenager who makes the “mistake” in getting pregnant as Gov Palin’s daugher did is much more likely to keep the baby if she has financial and moral support (like Palin’s daugher does). So in essence Republicans create an economic environment that indirectly contributes to women feeling incapable of supporting a new baby —hence abortion….hmmmm think about that.

By rightytighty

September 8, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

And if we are going to lay blame for a teenagers pregancy, then we would have to lay it on Mr Palin in this case.., right? Isn’t he the stay at home Father?? As an over-baring Father, I must say.., ouch! So, perhaps Ms Tucker is right, staying at home to care for children IS a women’s job..

By Willie

September 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Elle: You welcome to leave Georgia anytime. You can take any of the several INTERSTATE hiways. We Georgians really do not need transplants. We have the HOPE to pay for the education of our kids. Is that why you are in Georgia? Have a good trip to NY, Ma, DC, Ct, Md, or any of the great northen states.

Best Regards, Willie Southern born and bred

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Sorry Willie born and bred in Georgia as well that’s why I know a dumb Southerner when I see you….I mean when I see one. I went to the advance Northen education classes you see.

By Truth

September 8, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Ellle… dont you mean Socialist Northern classes?

By Ellle

September 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Truth…so when you spew th word Socialist with such disdain is it due to the fear of more taxes? Surely you are not in the upper crust making over $250k are you? Baracks plan reduces taxes on over 90% of Americans.

So here is the thing….the reason people do not want to pay more taxes is you want to keep more of your hard earned money right? I hear that from Republicans a lot. “It’s your money you should take home more of your pay”. But get this……under this Republican leadershp ( and McCain is more of the same) you are keeping less of your money anyway. HA HA …they fooled you didn’t they. Yes take home more pay but oh wait you are paying 3 times more for gas, twice as much for food, more for utilities, garbage pickup etc. So wait….what does that equal…..can we all say it together ——an indirect TAX INCREASE…..less money in your pockets…boy you guys just dont get it do you.

By Truth

September 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Ellle…. No…. I make far far far less than 250k a year, but I know and understand that by boss is a small business owner and if he gets taxed more then he has less money to pay me so therefore I either take a paycut or get laid off. Why cant you understand that? I have buddys who own their own business and they are scared of what new taxes are gonna come their way. They can barely afford to pay employees as it is. Small business are what make this economy gorw and if you tax the heck out of them then it will trickle down to the little guy…. you and me!

By Nativebird

September 8, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

RealityKing?
Really? You obviously don’t make enough money yourself to even start to understand my commment. No way you should vote Republican. Not smart, no money? Wow, you are the last person that they care about. OH, you are Pro-Life! So the govt. can tell a woman that she can’t choose to keep her baby, but it can tell the rich they can keep their money (in the form of tax cuts that proportionately give them a lower bracket than the middle-class taxpayer)!!!! That doesn’t make any sense, Buddy. Wake up!

OK, I am a Grady Baby, ATL native, Falcon Fan, “Nativebird”!! I am also a very proud Black Man, educated here in ATL as well, grad and undergrad. Elle, just know that there are a lot of us out here. I like you comments, but you must understand, the people attacking you are mostly OTP, transplants themselves. I’ve been here all my life, I even remember when all of Georgia was a Democratic state! It has been the influx of (I’m gonna tell the truth) white people with good jobs (because the ATL job market has been more stable due to GA based major businesses) attacking downtown ATL, traffic, city government, etc., all while living 45 to 1:45 minutes away from the city. Trying to do to our city what happens in their old city. Segregation, division of ethic and social groups, redirection of wealth and human services to the weathly, connected and privelidged. Not gonna happen here…. WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE OF ALL RACES WORKING TOGETHER AND SOON WE WILL GAIN THE MAJORITY BACK. GO DEMOCRATS!!

By Truth

September 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Well Nativebird…. I too have always lived here and I can honestly say that when I first got out of high school I was a Democrat…. then I grew up and realized what this world is really all about and please quit with the old cry of “Segregation, division of ethic and social groups, redirection of wealth and human services to the weathly, connected and privelidged.” It is just so old and boring. I struggle everyday to make it. My wife and I want to have a baby but we know that we cannot afford to have one right now. I am not gonna cry about it… I am gonna work harder and maker smarter decisions to that I will one day be in a place in my life that I want to be. People need to make things happen instead of waiting on things to happen!

PS… Them Falcons looked good yesterday… can we agree on that? lol

By Hmmmmm

September 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Nativebird

Simply amazing! I surely hope in both our cases that your beloved Obama is not elected. I for one would hate to say, I told you so…. because YOU sir are WRONG! But hey, There is not much chance for Obama, even though he is the media darling. This country, and not only in the south ,see this man for what he is, a suit with NO substance.IMHO.

Ellle, I sure wish I could have taken those advanced Northern Courses….

Hey, Nativebird ,you and Ellle have a nice day!:)

By Claire

September 8, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

RW: You proved my point!! she’ll be interviewed on ABC almost 2 weeks after being picked as VP so they could ‘crash course’ her. And (oh yeah RW) she did speak in front a GOP crowd in Denver ahd made her first gaff. She says that the american people are tired of their taxes paying for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Don’t you think a VP should have known that they were private companies.

By Nativebird

September 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Last comment: Truth - I don’t have any kids either, just got remarried,and want to have kids soon. I have made smart choices and will continue to try. A better economy, more jobs, better access to cheaper healthcare, and a government that will listen to the average person will help, BOTH OF US!!!

Hmmmmm - I bet your a nice guy, but you are the one that is flat Wrong. you can’t possibly think that we are headed in the right direction. Come on. Gas prices, ignorant foreign policy, arrogant posturing, no fiscal common-sense, uugggh!

Jay, it will be close, but Obama/Biden and common-sense will win in the end. you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time!! What bounced up will soon bounce down……lol

By Nativebird

September 8, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Last comment: Truth - I don’t have any kids either, just got remarried,and want to have kids soon. I have made smart choices and will continue to try. A better economy, more jobs, better access to cheaper healthcare, and a government that will listen to the average person will help, BOTH OF US!!!

Hmmmmm - I bet your a nice guy, but you are the one that is flat Wrong. you can’t possibly think that we are headed in the right direction. Come on. Gas prices, ignorant foreign policy, arrogant posturing, no fiscal common-sense, uugggh!

Jay, it will be close, but Obama/Biden and common-sense will win in the end. you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time!! What bounced up will soon bounce down……lol