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McCain convention, Night Four

That was John McCain.

He’s a tough old bird. And I admire tough old birds. I like tough old birds. I just don’t think that being a tough old bird is the skill set required in the presidency at this moment in history.

Just some thoughts. The Democrats were criticized heavily for overpraising Barack Obama, building a Greek temple for him, etc. As it turns out, they were mere pikers compared to the Republicans. McCain put on a convention whose entire purpose was to celebrate the utter McCainness of McCain, to wallow in day after day of McCainophilia. I think they want McCain to replace George Washington on the dollar, Lincoln on the penny and Jefferson on the nickel.

Was Jefferson ever a POW for five and a half years? Did Lincoln ever parachute into a lake in Hanoi with two broken arms? Nah, didn’t think so.

John McCain did.

And despite his nice talk about bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle, McCain and his party made it quite clear in this convention that this is going to be an ugly, personal campaign. His campaign strategists have been blunt in saying it’s going to be about personalities, not policies. In other words, McCain has committed to the type of race that will guarantee that 51 percent of the American people will go to bed on Nov. 4 hating the other 49 percent, and vice versa. That’s not good for the country, but McCain thinks it’s good for him. So be it.

It’s going to be fascinating to watch how well this played in living rooms around the country. I expect the race will return to what it was before the conventions, a narrow Obama lead, but who knows? McCain has taken several big gambles — in picking Sarah Palin, in turning his convention into a personality cult rather than a chance to discuss issues — and big gambles pay off big or lose big.

Onward.

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By AL

September 5, 2008 7:26 AM | Link to this

Running scared!! You have to love it. Liberals will never convince the voters of America that the attributes of the everyday hardworking American citizen, that made this country the greatest country ever are bad. Being someone that raises a family is not bad. Someone that fights and almost dies for their country is not bad. If you don’t support a government that believes in taxing it’s citizens to death is not bad. You are not a Redneck if you own a gun or go to church or work hard and want the government out of your business. The more people on this blog and around the country try to make it bad to love your country or call you a racist if you don’t think like they do, the less convincing they are. This thing is not even going to be close in November.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 5, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Actually, we want Sarah on the dollar.

But thanks for noticing.

(Gee, are we supposed to hate ourselves or what? Should we have booed him?)

By Hmmmmm

September 5, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Jefferson and Lincoln both had integrity. You could believe what they said. Obama, is a SAD representative for the Democratic party. The party that tells you what you want to hear, just to get elected. I am an independent who is voting for the best candidate, for this country. McCain is not perfect but he is by FAR the best alternative. His pick of Palin for VP was brilliant! She has more experience than Obama, and in time may be our first woman president. Only time will tell!

By BDAtlanta

September 5, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

Where was McCain’s flag pin?

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

A summation of McBush’s speech:

“Read My Lips: no new taxes!” — oh wait, that was 1988.

Scratch that. New summation:

“Read My Lips: NO NEW POLICIES!”

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

The party that tells you what you want to hear, just to get elected.

That’s exactly what McBush is doing out of desperation to get elected… he’s now signed off on his Satan-pact with his “agents of intolerance” last night.

MMA — Maverick My @ss!

By Charles

September 5, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

I think the message from the GOP Convention was very clear: We’re going to expose the mainstream press for their bias and coddling of their anointed Savior, Obama.

Liberals like Jay can’t stand the fact John McCain is a true American hero - unlike John “Reporting For Duty” Kerry (what a liar and phoney). My Dad was a hero during World War II - he never shared his story with any of us. The only way I heard his story was from his pastor (he didn’t feel God would ever forgive him for killing so many of the enemy). Like Dad, McCain has a hard time sharing his story.

Only a Democraps would criticize him when he’s asked by his party to share his life experience of serving our country. Shameful behavior. The Republicans let it be known they honored Kerry on his service to our country - it was his lies of what he did in Vietnam and actions after the war that were criticized.

By jasper

September 5, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

Well, the final numbers are in on the Neilsen ratings for Palin’s speach, over 40 million. Compared to ZerObama’s 38.6, looks like she not only exceeds him in experience and speech making, but in popularity. OMG, you libbies will be peeing all over yourselves today.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

The Republicans let it be known they honored Kerry on his service to our country.

Name one.

By Mike

September 5, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

By Mike September 5, 2008 6:43 AM | Link to this “Obama jumped in to defend him on another occasion when he was asked if he had a problem with minorities.

The question was rooted in Biden’s occasional gaffes. He had apologized earlier for describing Obama as “articulate” and “clean” in one unguarded episode that was taken by some to have a racial overtone. And he’d had to defend his remark that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.””

http://www.ajc.com/fulton/content/news/stories/2008/08/23/joebidenprofile.html

Hey Captain Clicks. Is Biden (and Democrats) racist like Westmoreland? Or is this you showing what a shamless partisan hack you arew?

Tell us again about smears, hypocrite.

By BDAtlanta

September 5, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

I probably could have voted for the McCain of 2000, but he has turned 360 degrees in just the past 12 months.

The guy was tortured in Vietnam and up until the beginning of this election cycle was opposed to any form of torture. Of all the things he could have changed his mind on - Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, illegal wiretapping….but torture?

So who has the character problem? Who is willing to say whatever it takes to get elected? Which McCain are the Republicans electing?

By the way, Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone has a good article that blasts both candidates as being equally bought out by corporate interests. Good read:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/22210615/candidatesforsale

By jasper

September 5, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Do you mean, name one service to our country by Kerry? Ok, well there was, uh, then there was, hmm. You got me. Well he did give us John Edwards.

By Eric1

September 5, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it funny how the wingnuts are exactly what they deride liberals for and accuse us of being. Any one of those nut jobs could look a the mirror and be totally disgusted. I’m amazed they don’t vomit every morning while they’re applying their war paint. How ‘bout it, AL? That ever happen to you? How ‘bout you, Hmmm, or you, Miss Mgmt?

By Mike

September 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

“By Goldie September 5, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this The Republicans let it be known they honored Kerry on his service to our country.

Name one.”

OK. George Bush:

“US President George W Bush has described his Democrat opponent John Kerry’s tour of duty in Vietnam as more heroic than his own service in the Air National Guard”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1187462.htm

That took two seconds.

By JayBird

September 5, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

If McCain did a 360, that means he is in the exact same place. You are obviously an Obama supporter with that kind of logic. A good article in Rolling Stone? That would be a first.

By Mike

September 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

“That’s not good for the country, but McCain thinks it’s good for him. So be it.”

Yeah, we need more people like Jay Bookman who are doing good things for the country. Like accusing Republicans of being racist then accuses McCain of being divisive.

Tell us again about the “nasty and personal” campaign Jay. You are a lousy pundits, but you are a stupendous hypocrite.

By AJC/DNC Management

September 5, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Hehehehehehe:

RASMUSSEN: Palin More Popular Than Obama or McCain… Developing…

Now wouldn’t ya, Barracuda?

By Charles

September 5, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Goldie ….. me for one in my statement above. But, (as usual) you are incapable of reading and understanding someone else’s comments. Your hatred of anything/anyone who isn’t Liberal must cloud your head from rational thinking.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Oh yeah— and then Dubya grinned away when his buddies lied in their Swift Boat Ads… besides that, no one ever believed a word coming from Dubya’s mouth in 2004.

There, that took about 2 seconds.

By Shogun

September 5, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Eric1, try an anger management program.

By CJ

September 5, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Someone tell me why we need a maverick and a cut-throat hockey mom? I thought we needed class, dignity, and wisdom at this point in history.

Remember what happened when we elected the oil man/cowboy Bush? Can we stop electing based upon what sounds good in a comic book?

By Joe

September 5, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

To BD Atlanta

McCain’s flag pin is forever imbedded in his scars…his heart, his mind, his soul…don’t think you should question that one from a man who lived behind a door with no door knob for 5+ years….service is action not pins…but he has drawers full of those too..

By Willie

September 5, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Goldie: McCain brought tears to my eyes and Obama with his terrorist associations and no experience brought nausea to my stomach. Mcbush you said…you should really stay tuned into politics and not read so much drive by media! Be aware of the websites too…there are bloggers out there that purposely put out MISINFORMATTION to further a socialist cause. I think you have read too much of that.

By Bosch

September 5, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

McCain’s speech was recycled Republican garbage. Nothing new. He’s even adopted Obama’s “change” mantra - how sad, can’t even come up with campaign brand without stealing it from Obama.

McCain said he was going to change things, but offered the same thing we’ve seen - that has proven to not work.

Except this time, and I loved this, he declared a war on teachers - and Russia. WTF?

And again, as usual, he used the same ol’ Obama’s gonna raise your taxes and get us all killed by the terrorists.

The sad thing is: it works.

Palin, despite her faults, has rallied the fundamentalist, and for that matter, the Republican base, and it will be a tough election - again, it may just work for the Republicans - we’ll see.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Me for one in my statement above.

Charles — would this being the statement you’re referring to when you posted @ 8:02 above:

“unlike John “Reporting For Duty” Kerry (what a liar and phoney).”

So which is it, Chucky — do you honor all of our veterans for their service, or just the ones who happen to agree with your very narrow world view???

By Mike

September 5, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

“By Goldie September 5, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this Oh yeah— and then Dubya grinned away when his buddies lied in their Swift Boat Ads… besides that, no one ever believed a word coming from Dubya’s mouth in 2004.

There, that took about 2 seconds.”

Of course it took two seconds because it didn’t relate to anything. You asked for one Republican who said he honored Kerry’s service. I gave you one immediately.

You then respond with some unrelated and unsubstantiated claim about Bush. (I can say that Obama was also bashing Kerry as there is no way to prove or disprove it. I try to stick to facts, unlike you who sticks to ignorance and self-delusion.)

I made a mistake in responding to you. I forgot that you are not capable of maintaining a consistant thought for two seconds, as opposed to your repitilian and ignorant knee jerk reactions.

I won’t waste either of our time in the future.

By Marie

September 5, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

And Jay what about Obama-Biden paying their lip service to bipartisanship when Biden talks about the possibility prosecuting the president for “some unknown” crimes if they win the election. And then when asked about it —he says he just doesn’t know anything about how that rumor started. And they talk about McCain being too old.

I got two words for you Obamanites if you hope to win this election — “BLOW JOE!!”

By Charles

September 5, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Before I head off to my next appointment to pay for Goldie’s welfare check:

John McCain criticizes ad attacking Kerry

To further help Goldie here is an excerpt from that article that also gives a statement from the Bush Administation:

Soon after, White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to do so and instead criticized the financing of the ad, saying the president “deplores all the unregulated soft-money activity.” McClellan said the Bush campaign had nothing to do with the ad or the group behind it. *“We have not and we will not question Kerry’s service in Vietnam,” *he said.

By Bosch

September 5, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Charles,

“McCain has a hard time sharing his story”

Did you see the convention last night? Did you watch the big colorful production on the screen introducing McCain?

How many times in the past month has he mentioned he was a POW?

Don’t give me that BS. That’s insulting.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Willie @ 8:42 — maybe you didn’t catch one of your Repugs last night calling your guy “John Bush” on TV, for all to see and hear:

TOM BROKAW: But the fact is, governor, that you have had eight years of a bush administration and a lot of Republicans in Congress for the last eight years, so why wouldn’t the american people say, look they had their shot we’re going to change?

TOM RIDGE: Because John Bush - because John McCain is very much his own man…

Or, maybe you just didn’t hear McBush himself state that he’s voted with Dubya on all the major issues we face today?

By Moosey

September 5, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Here’s what’s telling. The RNC convention loved it’s VP candidate more than it loves is presidential candidate!

That’s funny.

Resounding and roaring pandemonium for the VP, contrasted by programmed cheers for the pres. Wow!

And they’ve only known her 5 days. The journalistic gun totin, rootin tootin “mayor” of Wasilla. Hillarious.

Telling, very telling.

By Winston Smith

September 5, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp. Thus, at one moment Winston’s hatred was not turned against Goldstein at all, but, on the contrary, against Big Brother, the Party, and the Thought Police; and at such moments his heart went out to the lonely, derided heretic on the screen, sole guardian of truth and sanity in a world of lies. And yet the very next instant he was at one with the people about him, and all that was said of Goldstein seemed to him to be true. At those moments his secret loathing of Big Brother changed into adoration, and Big Brother seemed to tower up, an invincible, fearless protector, standing like a rock against the hordes of Asia, and Goldstein, in spite of his isolation, his helplessness, and the doubt that hung about his very existence, seemed like some sinister enchanter, capable by the mere power of his voice of wrecking the structure of civilization.

Welcome to the Two Minutes Hate.

By "The Corporal"

September 5, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Jay

At least Lincoln was a captain in the Illinois militia in the Blackhawk war and Jefferson was very familiar with firearms and made this statment:

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

Obama is still a wimp compared to McCain, Lincoln or Jefferson.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Except this time, and I loved this, he declared a war on teachers - and Russia. WTF?

LMAO, Bosch! And didn’t you spit out your Chardonnay when they blasted anyone over and over again who may have worked in their communities to promote change???

Oh, those Repugs — showing Da Love for Americans, once again!

By Ray

September 5, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

AL, 7:26

Best post of the day. The libs are already running scared of Palin. Dispatching the Hilldabeast to FL to try to do damage control. Also sending Napalitano to try to capture the Hillaryites. If the Annointed One doesn’t capture this side of the electorate, he is toast and he knows it. They are scared to death of this lady and it shows.

By Shawny

September 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

So Bookman opines, “I just don’t think that being a tough old bird is the skill set required in the presidency at this moment in history.”

So, exactly what is that skill set you look for…great oratory skills..great ability to rev up a crowd with a speech? True, McCain isn’t a fiery and interesting speaker, but is that a skill set that is required to work with congress for real change? If so, your guy, and you are a leftist partisan hack, is the one you should vote for. However, if you look at the records of the two candidates and consider the approach to real bi-partisanship, then McCain is your man.

One that sounds good, or one that does good.

By Middle Man

September 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

I read these blogs with great amusement. You people (libs and cons) are quite amusing. In fact, as with UGA-GA Tech, Alabama - Auburn, Clemson - USC, or “less filling vs. tastes great” your bickering and “loyalty” seems to be the real story. And as with the aforementioned overzealous sports fans (and beer drinkers), your thoughts, opinions; and dare I say, even your VOTES mean nothing. The differences between McCain and Obama (at the policy level) do not concern you because their policies will not benefit you (unless you are part of the ownership class in this country). I couple bucks might “trickle down” here and there, but out two party system does not produce “change” or “reform”. It produces twin sons from different mothers. This whole spitting contest (elections) was designed to convince the otherwise dim-witted electorate they have skin in the game. We don’t. So, look to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh; or Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews to pump up “their” candidates, while the “bookies” in Washington take as much action as they can. To paraphrase the late George Carlin, “after the Presidential election, I’m sure the nation will improve dramatically…”

By T

September 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Bosch

I totally agree. It was a good speech. I just can’t understand how some of the points directly conflict with most Republican views.

By TW

September 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Palin IS George W Bush.

The crack of light that kept McSame from being ‘w’s clone has been closed with Palin - investigation, special interests, bold face liar, etc….

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

So Charles @ 8:47 — when are YOU going to “honor” John Kerry’s service with your own words, before you rush off to pay for CORPORATE welfare checks today???

Still waiting, Chucky… all I saw you post this morning is what a “liar and a phoney” @ 8:02… is that the extent of your “honor” for Sen. Kerry’s service to America???

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

I won’t waste either of our time in the future.

OK, Mikey — just say “BUH-BYE, and no more whining here on the blog from me every day!”

By VietKong

September 5, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Joe

We don’t want to hear that B-S. People like you are looking for outward symbols of patriotism.

Scars my @s$! He shouldn’t have been hot-dogging and got SHOT DOWN and caught! He deserved what he got, just as we claim the POWs we hold deserve what they get. That’s what happens when you get caught by the enemy.

My father too fought in ‘Nam”, parachuted into enemy territory with the 101st and blazed his guns. And guess what? HE DIDN’T get caught!

By Bosch

September 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Good morning Goldie,

I actually just read my email from Obama and Biden - and there was a good point made -

Community organizers and activists are needed to fight the failed policies of politicians.

I liked that.

By Goldie

September 5, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Bosch — as I posted earlier on Wooten-Pooten’s blog this morning, all I heard from McBush last night was:

“Drill, drill, drill!”

“War, War, War!”

“P.O.W.!”

“What time is it and where’s my pajamas?!”

By Taxpayer

September 5, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Mike @ 8:14,

A couple of items:

  • I tried that link and got a “page does not exist” error. Would you check that for me.
  • I double-checked the definition of Hypocrite (1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion 2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings) and I could not make the connection between Jay’s opinion pieces and the definition of hypocrite. Is your connection based on public information or is it something of a personal nature that the rest of us are not privy to perhaps. Please, fill in the blanks for me. Don’t misunderstand me though — it’s not that I doubt your claim. After all, I think that we would all be hard-pressed to claim that we have never been hypocritical. I’m just saying that I have not made that connection and maybe it’s because I have not been able to compare your cited works by Jay.
  • By bearcasey

    September 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

    If a majority of Americans were old wealthy white guys, like myself, McCain would win easily. Since this isn’t the case, good man John will be swept into the dustbin of history. The Republicans will be PUNISHED for inflicting the glorifiied frat boy “W” on us. What a dummy!

    By gttim

    September 5, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

    McCain was no war hero! He lost 5 planes- but only one in combat. Yes he was a POW- one that gave up information to the Vietnamese for medical treatment just days after being captured (admitted in his book). And lets be clear, except for the contacts of his father and grandfather as Admirals, he never would have become a pilot after graduating 894th out of 899. HE was also suspected of being the cause of the fire on the USS Forrestal that killed 134 sailors after wet starting his plane as a joke on the pilot behind him.

    He has never been a maverick. He has always been about the wealthy- see Keating Five. Now he wants us to think he is about change? He got into the Senate in 1982. Why hasn’t he been about change until now? He could have done lots of stuff, but he hasn’t. He has voted with Bush 95% of the time.

    And remember, bipartisanship to the GOP means doing it their way. Always has been. Their way has run our great country into the ground. No more of the GOP’s idea of bipartisanship. We need real change!

    By Locke

    September 5, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

    Mike, You know from her posts that Goldie is just a bitter and very bored secretary. Her boss needs to give her something to type so she’s not wasting our time here.

    The Dems had a great convention. The one thing they didn’t have: Cowboy Troy. ‘Nuff said.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

    Goldie,

    Yeap, that’s because that’s all he said, and declared a war on teachers and Russia.

    “What time is it and where’s my pajamas?!”

    OMG, I say that sometimes myself - am I wicked old?

    LOL!!!!

    By Sam

    September 5, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

    You bunch of ignorant American Idol posing freaking idiot putzes don’t know what the hell is wrong with this country.

    Imperialism, Keynesian economics, bankers in charge of monetary policy, corporatism, socialism, warfare, welfare, massive debt, ascendant countries competing for resources, corruption, lobbyists, excessive taxes, big brother, control,…

    You flag waving cheerleaders got your heads so far up your smelly collective asses you don’t know your children’s future stinks.

    Start reading something besides this blog. Like Lew Rockwell for one.

    By Ray

    September 5, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

    It must frustrate the Annointed One as much as it probably does the Hilldabeast that wrong choices were made by the Demos. They had a chance with Clinton but they blew it and picked an unelectable candidate. After 19mos on the campaign trail, endless speeches and ham and round potato dinners, the Annointed One will realize on Nov 5th that he is just not the one that the majority of Americans wants. Some relatively inexperienced journalism major from Idaho….. Who wudda thunk it. You can fool some of the people, some of the time……

    By ricecakes

    September 5, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

    WOW, is all I have to say about McCain’s and Palin’s speeches. Could they have come up with something original. 95% of what they said was stolen words and phrases from Obama’s convention speech! How pathetic! If you McCain supporters can’t see through this…you deserve the next four years of $10 a gallon gas and $8 for a gallon of milk. You will deserve the on-going war and our troops dying. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, PEOPLE!!!

    By Swami Dave

    September 5, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

    Jay:

    I find it interesting that you would perceive that it is only now that this election has devolved to the point that “51% will go to bed hating the other 49%”. I would contend that with the continued shrinkage of those who are truly “undecided”; this process has been going on since the Clinton years.

    It has only gotten worse in successive election cycles as partisans (on both sides) have simply gotten more vicious & loud in their attempts to influence / attract (or actually detract from opponents) that shrinking pool.

    Frankly, debate & discussion where opponents talk about issues or talk to their opposition has been replaced by louder and louder talking at them.

    I would contend that this culture is not new. For all of the platitudes about “new tones” & “change”, the reality is that elections (at least today) are played out as competitions between opponents telling you why not to vote for the other guy instead of ever investing the time & effort to tell you why to vote for them.

    -Swami Dave

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

    This is what Bush/McCain economic policies get us:

    [The unemployment rate jumped to 6.1 percent in August, its highest level in five years, as the erosion of the job market showed no sign of slowing.

    Employers cut 84,000 jobs last month, more than economists had expected, and the Labor Department said that more jobs were lost in June and July than previously thought.

    So far, 605,000 jobs have disappeared since January. The unemployment rate, which rose from 5.7 percent in July, is now at its highest level since September 2003](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/business/economy/06econ.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref)

    Read the article - it gets even better

    By Goldie

    September 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

    Corporal @ 8:51 — about 70% of America now understands that war-mongering does not a POTUS make.

    McBush has proven himself to be a good soldier… but now America needs a real leader for change, and that certainly is not McBush/Plain, no mattter how hard they try to use the word “change” in their decomposing Repug rhetoric!

    By Lewis

    September 5, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

    John McCain seems like a decent fellow. To bad he’s on the wrong side of the issues. He says he feels ordinary americans’ pain…but he’s not going to do anything about it. He’s going to change Washington…yeah right…he’s been there, supporting bush for the past 8 years. Jay is correct. McCain’s only hope to win is to use the fear strategy of Bush and Rove. That means its going to get ugly…so much for ending partisan rancor.

    By Goldie

    September 5, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

    Bosch @ 9:19 — and thank God we’re not trying to promote YOU as our next POTUS…

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

    McCain will fight congress on the budget deficit, Obama will explode it. Just as our pitiful 110th Congress has done over the last 2 years! 1% to 3+% This year we will have the highest budget deficit in history, 500+ Bilion!! Proving once agian that the only thing worse than slack republicans are liberal democrats.

    This year, I think I’ll vote for an independent-minded American hero instead of a partisan liberal zero.

    By ricecakes

    September 5, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

    Oh, and how many times did the cameras need to focus on the 3 or 4 minorities in the crowd? There weren’t many I can tell you. There were a bunch of old soldiers, 70+ citizens and a bunch of hick hoppers. Thank you McCain for being a copycat by stealing Obama’s speech and “Change” phrase. By doing this you confirmed that you will pickup where George Bush left off.

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

    McCain had to pick someone as VP who could shore up the extreme right of the Republican party. Without the religious extremists and the Oreilly/Rusch/Hannity/Boortz/Savage listeners (worshippers?) he couldn’t win Dog Catcher.

    My question is, if he needed the loons, why didn’t he just choose Huckabee? To paraphrase another writer “At least Huck eats nachos so he has hands-on foreign experience.”

    By ww5

    September 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

    JAY - i know this comment won’t change your mind, but with n. korea, iran, and russia reverting back to cold war days and tactics, maybe we need a mccain at this point in history. obama is too kool, and unless putin bangs a gucci on a conference table, he may not know what to do.

    By ricecakes

    September 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

    WOW, is all I have to say about McCain’s and Palin’s speeches. Could they have come up with something original. 95% of what they said was stolen words and phrases from Obama’s convention speech! How pathetic! If you McCain supporters can’t see through this…you deserve the next four years of $10 a gallon gas and $8 for a gallon of milk. You will deserve the on-going war and our troops dying. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, PEOPLE!!!

    Oh, and how many times did the cameras need to focus on the 3 or 4 minorities in the crowd? There weren’t many I can tell you. There were a bunch of old soldiers, 70+ citizens and a bunch of hick hoppers. Thank you McCain for being a copycat by stealing Obama’s speech and “Change” phrase. By doing this you confirmed that you will pickup where George Bush left off.

    By Lewis

    September 5, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

    As far as changing the culture of Washington, one person can’t do it (Obama or McCain). For real change we would have to start at home, and not have gerrymandered congressional districts that deliver mostly far right or far left reps to congress. There are few moderates in congress…which leads to all or nothing gamesmanship and a majorly p** off minority. Iowa did it (eliminated gerrymandering)! Other states should too.

    By marko

    September 5, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

    Jay I think this is one of rare occassions you hit the nail on the head. Sarah’s the new darling of the people John once called “agents of intolerance”.I prefer the term right wing nut jobs myself, but whats poor John to do Republicans have become so dependent on right wing fundalmentalist they can’t win without them . fundalmentalist can’t win with them and can’t win without them. John can’t carry this thing without a solid base, and his is crumbling. Polls show that christian conservatives are becoming less keen on politics.Face it John they never liked you anyway. In the past , these guys never voted in large numbers, that may not be the case this time. Another group that’s been a traditional stonghold for Repubs seems to be slipping away. Many gulf war vets have been elected as democrats, and Obama has collected more contributions from active duty service men than McCain has. I’m sure the soldiers appreciate all the tearey eyed flag waving, but at of the day food and heath care mean a lot more than a pat on the back. A lot of these guys don’t think that John, how many houses do I own, has always been there for them. I don’t underestimate the The Repubs. They have kicked our butts the last two elections, still I’m convinced that this time around they are too old, too white, to wierd and too few. Bet you guys are sorry you p** off all the hispanics are’nt you?

    By bob e

    September 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

    keep this in mind: the repubs play chess and dems still play checkers. if you can’t figure that out, you must be a dem.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

    McCain saying he is going to “change” Washington is like a drug addict saying they are going cure themselves of being an addict.

    or I heard a comedian say this once -

    “I’m gonna LOOOOOSSSSEEE some weight, I’m gonna eat these donuts first, but then I’m gonna LOOOOOOOSSSSSEEEE some weight.”

    By Billy

    September 5, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

    Yes, Charles, McCain did criticize the attacks on Kerry’s war record.

    Of course, he now welcomes the support form Bud Day, who spreads lies about Obama and was as much a leader of the swiftboaters as any other one person was. We’re supposed to believe he’s a maverick? Please. He’s no different than the rest of the party — wlling to do anything and associate with anyone to get elected.

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

    If you think 6.1% unemplyment is bad.., just wait until liberals start raising small business taxes. You know, the ones that keep most of us employed. Europe uses similar socialistic taxing tactics, and runs a 10-15% unemplyment rate, during the good times..

    By WOW

    September 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

    It’s pretty clear.. McCain is a genuine American hero who has devoted his life to the service of his country. Obama is a community organizer and very green, junior senator who extolls the virtues of nebulous concepts with absolutely no idea how to bring them to fruition.

    But really Bookman, you call that journalism? I suspect any high schooler could do better. You get paid for this??

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

    bob e,

    Not me or my friends bud.

    Reality King @ 9:38 -

    You really want to blame to deficit on the two-year-old Dem Congress? My God - so politically one-sided you’re so desperate and will try anything to justify the incompetence demonstrated the last eight years.

    I guess in your narrow mind the Iraq War was free!

    By Willie

    September 5, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

    Well why dont we blame the I dont care congress led by the I dont do nothing liberals? Goldier, after the election for president are you going to get on Pelosi arse for doing nothing? Will you scream at Harry to move things along? NO, you will act just like Pelosi and sit there! Change! That is where change is needed. Is Pelosi going to sit down for four more years if McCain wins? Tell me Goldie…what did Bush do to stop legislation in this country?

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

    Reality King,

    Fear mongering gets you no where. The whole notion of “Obama’s going to ruin things” is old.

    Have you been asleep for almost a decade? It’s not Obama’s policies that are ruining our country. It’s the ones that McCain intends to continue.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

    Reality King,

    Your mother should have taught you not to spread viscious lies:

    Support Small Business

    Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.

    That’s right off Obama’s web site - please show me anywhere in that paragraph he says he will raise taxes on small businesses?

    By Dimwit

    September 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

    Uh, where do I go to apply for a job as a “community organizer?”

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

    I watched McCain last night.

    I thought he gave a good speech, not great, of course, just good. He’s just not good making speeches. Ok, limitation accepted.

    Most of the speech was typical recycled Republican applause lines: “culture of life”, “judges making laws from the bench”, “cut your taxes”, “eliminate government programs that don’t work”, etc. Didn’t hear a differentiating vision for the country or specifics for what he thinks should change or how he’s going to accomplish it. Other than to stop the partisan sniping. Good luck, John. I’ll look forward to seeing if any details are forthcoming or if it was just applause lines.

    The part where the audience booed how McCain was different than Obama… that was terrible theater. Who coached the crowd to boo?? Terrible. They should have re-written the lines so that the crowd could cheer at the end.

    The part that got my attention was the call to arms for the party to change. I’m stunned and pleased he did that. I think the delegates were also pretty stunned, but that’s good, they needed to hear that after 4 days of lovefesting.

    I’m surprised more isn’t being made of this part the speech.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

    Dimwit,

    So is that the new GOP attack? To mock and make fun of community organizers?

    You should be embarrassed.

    By Goldie

    September 5, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

    “At least Huck eats nachos so he has hands-on foreign experience.”

    Guffaw, BDatl— And happy Friday! I’m thinking the only thing that disqualified that ole Huck was that he did not have the correct body parts for McBush’s gimmick.

    A new day is coming to America and it begins in Jan. ‘09…

    By Goldie

    September 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

    after the election for president are you going to get on Pelosi arse for doing nothing?

    No Willie — after Obama/Biden wins in November, we’ll have what we need to work with Congress and finally get the necessary work done… we’re working on no more Repug obstructionism which creates that “do-nothing” Congress we have today.

    I suggest you take some civics classes and bone-up on how the Congress works or doesn’t work with our POTUS.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

    It will be a new day Moldie. And Mac will make Zer0 even more famous than he is right now. Called out on his junkie style earmark spending, sending his political career even further down the Democrapper.

    By lrd

    September 5, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

    Was it me, or did you notice how McCain kept speaking about failed government, about failed policies, about how the last few years have been hard on everyone…. I mean he basically slapped his own party in the face.. Nice job trying to distance himself from Bush, but can he really distance himself that much from his own party?

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

    According to IRS data, $706 billion of pass-through business income was reported in 2006. Of this, two-thirds was earned in households making more than $250,000. Errr…, What was that? Households making more than $250,000?? But, but aren’t those the very same households upon which Obama will dramatically raise taxes!? And if raising the tax rate on two-thirds of small-business income isn’t a tax hike on small business, what is Bosch!!??

    Sorry, but the facts are, that the tax rate on two-thirds of small-business income would skyrocket under the Obama plan. The current tax rate on this income today is 37.9 percent. Obama’s plan, thanks to uncapping the Social Security tax base, would skyrocket two-thirds of small-business’ tax rate all the way up to near 54.9 percent, Carter levels of the 70’s.

    I know, I know…, Obama’s website doesn’t say that, but those are the facts according to the IRS.

    By getalife "whiners"

    September 5, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

    Great.

    Now the old man wants you to drink his change kool aid.

    McCain spewed,”Everything is f—-ing spin.”

    Now that is finally the truth.

    By RB from Gwinnett

    September 5, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

    I like how Jay wrote this piece as if he actually weighed what’s going on in the world right how against the qualifications of the candidate before he made his decision to support Obama. Please, Jay, stop taking the public for idiots as your candidate does. We’re not. And you’re transparent, Jay. You’re not fooling anybody.

    And for your man Obama, it doesn’t bother me if McCain hasn’t unveiled some grand plan to make my life better. I DON’T NEED GOVERNMENT TO MAKE MY LIFE BETTER!!! I’d prefer if they’d let go of my checkbook a little and leave me alone. I’ll take care of myself.

    By Midori

    September 5, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

    keep this in mind: the repubs play chess and dems still play checkers. if you can’t figure that out, you must be a dem.

    I sure wish you wingnuts would pick one slur and stick with it.

    i thought “we” were the “elitists”??

    Elitists play checkers?

    By Dimwit

    September 5, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

    Uh, what does a “community organizer” do, by the way?

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

    So has McCain muzzled Sister Sarah?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/5/03014/25099/435/587385

    Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 09:30:14 PM PDT

    (h/t) Mark Nickolas at Political Base

    McCain Camp Says Palin Won't Talk To Media During Campaign According to Nicole Wallace of the McCain campaign, the American people don't care whether Sarah Palin can answer specific questions about foreign and domestic policy. According to Wallace -- in an appearance I did with her this morning on Joe Scarborough's show -- the American people will learn all they need to know (and all they deserve to know) from Palin's scripted speeches and choreographed appearances on the campaign trail and in campaign ads.

    By Boots

    September 5, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

    Given the state of the economy, the deficit and debt —- the best strategy is the get off of this merry-go-round by voting for a republican president with a democratic congress and hope for grid-lock.

    We need to catch our breath and this may be the way to accomplish the “time-out.”

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

    RealityKing: those are not quite the facts. You probably aren’t closely involved with your taxes or you would know that tax rates are indexed. In other words, if the cut-off for a certain tax rate is $250K, then all the money below $250K is taxed at one rate and everything above $250K is taxed at another. Your entire income is NOT suddenly taxed at the higher rate.

    And I’m not clear on how you get to 54.9 when social security tax rates are below 14%.

    And if you’re a really smart business person with your own small business and a decent accountant, you also know how to protect some of your income from social security taxes by turning the profits into dividends, which don’t have social security taxes.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

    Reality King,

    I don’t take the word of plagarists like yourself. Can’t you come up with your own analysis instead of plagarising someone’s analysis of Obama’s plan with obvious wingnut bias?

    What is it with you wingnuts and your inability to think?

    Don’t you think I could google and come up with some other liberal analysis of Obama’s plan that says the exact opposite?

    Again, when has Obama said he was going to raise taxes on small businesses?

    By Billy

    September 5, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

    What far left reps, Lewis? Kucinich? Our political spectrum is so skewed that what we consider centrist is fairly far to the right. For all the claims by the right of Obama being a socialist, he’s really anything but. My evidence? Go to a progressive site (say CommonDreams.org) and check out what people are saying. Actual socialists call him a corporatist. Which is it? Socialist or corporatist?

    I went to this great little site that quantifies left/right leanings. You take the quiz, they give you a result. Mine? “Economic Left/Right: -6.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97” I’m closest to Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama, evidently, but in U.S. politics I’m nearly alone. Nader and Kucinich were the only two candidates this year that were remotely near me on the chart.

    Most European countries have experienced both the far left and the far right. I think Europeans would find the notion that radical leftists are elected to Congress largely laughable. After Kucinich and Bernie Sanders, I’m not sure who else would be accurately described by that label…

    By susan

    September 5, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

    Thank you Jay for your take on the Republican convention and for your perspective on what is to come.

    A stauch Republican told me earlier this week how impressed they were with what they saw in Obama as they watched the NDC. I was stunned. Did Obama make inroads into the right wing conservative party?

    Is this an isolated incident or is it a sign that other dyed in the wool republicans might stray and not be tied fast to the Republican party powerhouse? This particular republican is a racist, too, which makes the comment that much more puzzling. I have not had a chance yet to get their take on the republican convention, but who knows.

    susan in atlanta

    By norman ravitch

    September 5, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

    Repudiating Bush is the beginning of wisdom.

    By Truth

    September 5, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

    LMAO…. Reading what some of you librals write is better than watching tv….

    By Billy

    September 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

    RB from Gwinnett —

    If you’re in the 10% of people who will actually be paying more in taxes under Obama’s plan than you are now then I’m guessing your checkbook is doing just fine.

    By Timus

    September 5, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

    I think McCain is a man of integritgy. But the people around him no so much…including his new “pitbull with lipstick”. It almost insures that this will be an ugly two months and there will be some hard feelings on Nov 5th. But I really do hope I’m wrong.

    By Timus

    September 5, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

    I think McCain is a man of integrity. But the people around him no so much…including his new “pitbull with lipstick”. It almost insures that this will be an ugly two months and there will be some hard feelings on Nov 5th. But I really do hope I’m wrong.

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

    Anyone care to see Big O slam Sister Sarah and Johnny Mac regarding Community organizing?

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/4/23294/93279/493/587351

    Obama quote “Do they think that the lives of those folks struggling each and every day, that working with to try and improve their lives is somehow not relevant to the presidency.

    I think that is part of the problem, that they are out of touch and dont get it because they haven’t spent much time working on behalf of those folks.

    To Tom at 10:39: mwuahahahahahaa. Class war! Like Warren Buffet said, and I paraphrase: “There is a class war…and my class is winning it.

    By Timus

    September 5, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

    The whole community organizer thing gives Republican’s the guilt trip. Most chose their own personal ambitions over actually helping the community. And lord knows Republicans like to feel good about themselves and pat themselves on the back.

    By lrd

    September 5, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

    Did Gov Palin check with Michael Vick to find out if you can put lipstick on a pitbull and still call them pretty?

    By Ray

    September 5, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

    The Annointed One will rue the day 16mos ago when he stood before an adoring crowd in Detroit and embraced fellow brother, Kilpatrick, the recently convicted felon mayor. His loyalty was short lived when he insisted that Kilpatrick not come to the convention……. ring a bell, Demos?……. and when he threw Kilpatrick under the bus so fast no one saw it. The company that the Annointed One keeps will be his downfall yet. The company that someone keeps and calls “a distingushed friend upstanding American” says a lot about the Annointed One’s character. Ayers, Wright, Kilpatrick, Rezo….. the list goes on.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

    BDAtlanta,

    Thanks for posting that. That was great.

    “Big O” - I like that.

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

    Damn public schools…

    OK, if I make 500,000 from my small business, today I pay 39.7% tax on the money over 250,000. But under Obama that 39.7% rate would skyrocket to high 40s%, most liberal democrats want 50%!! Add in the extra 7+% Obama Social Security tax, (not being spent on SS), and vala, that’s an approx 54% tax rate. Coming to every small business owner in America, under Obama…

    And let’s be straight. This is not new change! This is backwards change to the same old failed tax and spend policies of the 70’s!! The very same ones that Europe continues to use to stiffle her innovations..

    By Chris

    September 5, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

    Why should the voters, worried about the economy and weary of war, reward the party of George W. Bush with another four years in the White House?

    By Goldie

    September 5, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

    Midori @ 10:30 — I think that’s part of the problem with McBush actually catching on with the voters today… too many different slurs and not enough focus on which slur will be sent out on the daily memo. Now McBush’s “Double Talk Express” bus has been off-limits to the media because he hasn’t been able to stay on-point with the daily slur.

    And to think that just a year ago, McBush still considered the media his “base” of supporters — he’s stabbing ‘em in the back now. Shame, shame, shame.

    No judgement, no character… “No way, No how, No McBush!”

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

    Timus, I agree. The wealthy set themselves apart from the throngs of middle and lower classes by volunteer work and donations. They’ve used that to feel better about themselves for years. Making fun of it the other night really shows the true ilk of out-of-touch Republicans.

    By Gotta Love It

    September 5, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

    In the imortal words of Ann Wilson….

    OOoohhhhhh…Barracuda!!

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

    RealityKing: I’m sorry if you think it’s your public school education getting in the way of understanding accounting. Trust me, it’s not the easiest thing in the world even with an awesome education.

    And you’re playing with fictions here. Start with facts, then we can chat.

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/electionissuesmatrix.cfm

    I figure those people are conservative enough for you to accept their numbers.

    The numbers are not above 40% and your statement about “most liberal democrats” is a giveaway that you got your “facts” from talk radio or blogs that don’t require fact checking. Try substance over entertainment.

    By HotChick

    September 5, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

    Did I hear McCain say “CHANGE” in is speech last night? WOW!! didn’t he steal that slogan from OBAMA? That’s what you republicans do “STEAL”!!! Now how many AMERICANS are out of work according to the new statistics today?!!! And you have the nerve to wave the flag and support the very theives that are robbing you of your livelihood!!! You all need to go out and check the balances on your 401K’s!!!! Keep waving the flag and marching behind that “prom queen” and old “drum major” They are going to march your butts right into the “poor house”!!!!!

    By Bonedaddy

    September 5, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

    I see fear in the eyes of the libs. Ain’t it great!

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

    Jay!! What should be the tax rate on those making 250,000+??

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

    With all the talk of “Hero” why is no one looking at McCain’s record on voting for Vets and supporting the troops currently serving?

    Oh my. No wonder….

    http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/obama-hits-mcca.html

    By Bubba

    September 5, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

    I love how all the Dems try to link McCain with Bush. Those people are morons to say the least. They are each their own man. The biggest difference is McCain wants to cut spending instead of increasing it (even though Congress holds the checkbook) like Bush.

    The Dems are running scared because they know the majority of Americans believe what McCain/Palin believe. Over 60% of Americans consider themselves conservative. A majority of Americans are pro-life.

    Where did McCain not talk about issues Mr. Bookman? He clearly had plans for energy, the economy, etc. Did you even watch the speeches?

    Mr. Bookman your opinion piece that you can’t comment on that was posted earlier is the reason that the AJC’s numbers are down. If the AJC had the sack to tone down the minority opinion that the editors clearly share then maybe your numbers would be up.

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

    Hay Jay!! What do you think the tax rate should be on those making more than 250,000??

    By AJC/DNC Management

    September 5, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

    Isn’t amazing that the liberals have never mustered up this much outrage when al Qaeda kills 60 children?

    U.S. officials have said at least 30 militants, including a Taliban commander, and no more than seven civilians were killed in the Aug. 22 raid. Afghan officials, backed by the United Nations, insist that more than 90 civilians died, including dozens of children, blah, blah, blah-Urinal/Jihad

    Five days in a row the pinkos at the AJC have been trying to worm out of this, they know full well it never happened.

    They didn’t whine this much about 9/11.

    Freaking terrorists.

    By Hmmmmm

    September 5, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

    Bosch you need to take those rose colored glasses off. Good Grief, when are you people going to understand that when a politician takes away from one and gives to another, IT’S WRONG! I don’t care how much money you make, to continue this CRIMINAL act of taking someones hard earnings and redistributing is driving this country UNDER! Talk about waking up….. UGHH…. The people from BOTH sides of the political spectrum need to demand better from their NO GOOD politicians. Bosch, by your candidates OWN words, he WILL increase taxes on the very people that make this country GROW. It’s beyond me how some of you people get up and dress yourselves everyday….

    By AJC/DNC Management

    September 5, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

    Aahhh, yes, the libs whine and moan that we haven’t caught the dead man Has Bin Laden but when we do what their community organizer recommends to get him, they still whine and moan:

    In news likely to stoke more anger, intelligence officials said a missile strike was suspected in a blast Thursday that killed at least four people in North Waziristan, part of the tribal belt where Osama bin Laden and his deputy are thought to be hiding. Previous such strikes have been blamed on the United States, blah, blah, blah-Urinal/Jihad

    It’s all about the whining and moaning ain’t it?

    Terrorists.

    By kitty

    September 5, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

    so McCain now says a race on PERSONALITY alone is okay when just a few weeks ago he and his people were criticizing Obama’s supposed celebrity with ads putting him in the ranks of Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears…man, you guys sure are hypocrites. I suspect McCain is just jealous because Obama was more popular than he is.

    By thogwummpy

    September 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

    McCain’s ambition to replace Lincoln or Washington is FAR less absurd…THAN OBAMA’S “HOPE” TO REPLACE…(wait for it, wait for it)…JESUS CHRIST!

    By Billy

    September 5, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe, even if his numbers were correct, he-s missing a big point — namely that the owner of the business in question is still making over $500,000. Wah. Wah. Wah.

    By AJC/DNC Management

    September 5, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

    The immaturity and childishness of the liberals is truly a sight to behold:

    Soldier suicides this year could surpass the record rate of last year, Army officials said Thursday, urging military leaders at all levels to redouble prevention efforts for a force strained by two wars. As of the end of August, there were 62 confirmed suicides among active duty soldiers and Guard and Reserve troops called to active duty, officials said. Another 31 deaths appear to be suicides but are still being investigated. If all are confirmed, that means that the number for 2008 could eclipse the 115 of last year —- and the rate per 100,000 could surpass that of the civilian population, Col. Eddie Stephens, deputy director of human resources policy, said at a Pentagon news conference.-Urinal/POS

    Here’s to hoping you scumbag’s get lucky.

    Not.

    By Midori

    September 5, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

    I think McCain picked the wrong running mate

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

    Hmmmmm,

    Nope, he will cut taxes for those who keep it going.

    By AJC/DNC Management

    September 5, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

    LOSERS- Young anarchists who gathered for the big anti-everything protest at the Minnesota state Capitol but got bogged down in frequent on-site meetings to contemplate strategy. Are anarchists supposed to have meetings?-Urinal/DNC

    Pray tell, what is it you would like them to have done?

    Sick.

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

    Billy: my points to RealityKing were to make the discussion about taxes factual and not based on incorrect information that gets pushed out there by people with an entertainment agenda and not an informational agenda.

    As for the small business owner with $250K or $500K in income, more power to them! I have no problem with that or with people who make that much fighting to keep more of their money going to the government.

    HOWEVER (huge however), I do have a problem with people who are ok with electing and re-electing politicians who promise more tax cuts, but aren’t interested in doing the heavy lifting of balancing the budget.

    True fact: look at the FY2009 budget from the white house (google it). You’ll see that the budget has a surplus in 2012. How can that be? Turns out if you look in the appendix of the budget that Bush’s own team has included the expiration of his tax cuts to get to that surplus. Without dropping those tax cuts, we never get to even a small surplus ever.

    I’m great with tax cuts. I’m not great with those cuts being paid for by issuing debt to foreign countries so that we have the cash to pay for our government. I’m not at all happy with sniveling politicians promising tax cuts, but not being committed to reducing the size or scope of the federal government… or who reduce the scope only to force requirements on the states to cover what they just eliminated at the Federal level. That’s just a shell game.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

    Hmmmm,

    Also, I guess by your analysis that taking tax money and giving it to wealthy corporists who in turn send job overseas - thereby raking in tax dollars and saving money on cheap labor is …..somehow right?

    By Bush go away

    September 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

    Which is it thogwummpy, is Obama a “Muslim terrrorist” or is Obama a wannabe Jesus Christ? Because even the lunatic fringe on the right ought to be able to figure out he can’t be both. Of course people willing to focus on the ISSUES realize he’s not trying to be either one.

    Y’all might want to get together and review those talkin’ points.

    Grasping at straws; grasping at straws.

    By Darren

    September 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

    The surge effectively showed the world that four US Marines are better than two – something most of us Americans already knew. The United States Marine is THE baddest man on the planet.

    But in terms of the political progress for which the surge was SUPPOSED to have been measured, it’s done little more than put lipstick on a Pit Bull.

    By bob

    September 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

    Jay wants Barack Hussein Osama (born a muslim in Kenya) to win so he can finally marry a man

    By WillM

    September 5, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

    Hey AJC/DNC Management, what do you think would happen if you tried posting a few times without using the word ‘liberals’. When you folks use these terms so frequently it starts to seem as if they’re being used as a subtitute for thought, in other words, in an ideological manner you might say. The way the old Communists used to use the word “bourgeois”. It’s almost as if you’re not really interesting in confronting the deeper texture of a situation but instead just want to repeat a chant to confirm something that’s important to you, which gets boring when trying to understand political and social events.

    So why don’t you try giving it a rest? Just an idea.

    By hillbilly ragger

    September 5, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

    Makes-his-own-RealtyKing wrote: “OK, if I make 500,000 from my small business”

    But see, you don’t. Nor do >95% of Americans. Stop whining, for Christ’s sakes—wealthy Americans have been partying on OUR CHILDREN’s dime for the past eight years, and it’s well past time for them to pay at minimum the kind of rates they managed to pay back in those economically dreadful—er, I mean, prosperous Clinton years.

    Seriously, only suckers and sociopathic millionaires have any reason to cast a vote for McCain.

    By BDAtlanta

    September 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

    What the heck is Condi doing in Libya meeting Qaddafi? The guy took credit for the 1988 PanAm plane bombing but never got around to paying the victims - 20 years later!! From the NYTimes:

    Speaking to the Al Jazeera network last year, Mr. Qaddafi got downright gushy when asked about Ms. Rice. “I support my darling black African woman,” he said. “I admire and am very proud of the way she leans back and gives orders to the Arab leaders.”

    He continued: “Yes, Leezza, Leezza, Leezza,” and said, “I love her very much.”

    Ms. Rice will raise some nettlesome issues, including human rights and the final resolution of legal claims from the 1988 Pan Am bombing, among other things

    Maybe Bush is trying to tie up loose Republican ends like the Iraq timeline before he rides off into the sunset…to clear brush I’m sure…and go down as the worst. president. ever.

    By Tom

    September 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

    Deleting the truth is pretty sad, Jay. I’m surprised.

    By Bosch

    September 5, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

    hillbilly ragger,

    “But see, you don’t. Nor do >95% of Americans”

    Good point. Reality King makes it sound like some bad national epidemic - that we’ll all be homeless and have to get our food from soup lines.

    As opposed to the ones McCain wants to continue - like those have made the country great and oh so prosperous!

    Out for a run! Later.

    By AL

    September 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

    Read them and weep. HEADLINES Today - McCain ratings numbers beat Obama. _ McCain campign to leave convention with over 200 million. - More than 40 million watch Palin speech. _ Huge bump for McCain after convention. - Obama to Oreilly “The Surge was successful” - Hilary aides speak out against sexist remarks toward Palin.

    Man what happen to the Superstar “Mascot” Obama? What a difference a couple of months make.

    By That's what I am talkin about

    September 5, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

    has anyone stopped to think that instead of McCain being a war hero, that he was actually an ineffective soldier? I thought the purpose of being a good soldier was to defend the country and eliminate as many as your opponents as possible. Going over there and getting caught and neutralized seems like a waste of a good uniform. Perhaps his basic training was a bit too basic.

    Maybe one of his new policies should be instituting “Remedial Soldier Training-How NOT To Get Caught”.

    As far as being able to answer the phone at 3 AM…that should work out fine because most old men are up peeing for the 9th time, about that time.

    By gottago

    September 5, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

    WillM, don’t waste your time trying to help reform AJC/DNC/DUH. He’s a troll with no life other than this blog. Pathetic as it is, let him have his fun; it’s the only life he has

    By T

    September 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

    U.S. officials have said at least 30 militants, including a Taliban commander, and no more than seven civilians were killed in the Aug. 22 raid. Afghan officials, backed by the United Nations, insist that more than 90 civilians died, including dozens of children, blah, blah, blah-Urinal/Jihad

    Why is it when things of this nature happen Republicans don’t want to admit that we are in the wrong war?

    Why instead of making our military stronger, by rebuilding its logistical might, they want to water it down by picking fights with the entire world?

    Why is it that they frown upon single mothers, when the marriages of these soldiers fail, because of long deployments?

    Why is it that your religion must be forced upon American citizens with law? However, when asked “am I my brothers keeper”, you turn your back.

    No one disagrees about terrorists. I just don’t understand how you can care so much about the freedoms of people of other countries and not those of your own.

    By TW

    September 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

    AL - take it to Vegas, baby…

    Thought not.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

    hillbilly ragger, if that’s your real name. The small business owner is not making >500k, as an S corp or LLC, he or she has to report the net income of their company as income. This does not mean in any way shape or form that they personally got paid $500k. Its just the way the taxes are calculated against their business or share of ownership. This money is still in the company as retained earnings, invested in assets to help the business grow.

    Zero wants to raise this rate up to 46% for businesses, which includes theses small business owners. Which translates into less growth, and fewer employees.

    Why does the government deserve this money in good times or bad. Rail against the excess spending. When our government shows that it can spend responsibly. Perhaps then it can make a case to raise taxes, but then it wouldn’t need to, would it?

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

    Oh yeah, that small business owner making 500,000 a year.., well, he’s my boss! And under Obama, he will have to cut employees to pay for Obama’s “small business tax cut plan”, which will of course actually add $48,000 more to his tax burden. That’s the equalivalent of one unemployeed middle class family. Fact Jack… Nope, that doesn’t sound very entertaining to me.

    Damn public schools..-> 250,000 X extra 8% income tax + 400,000 X extra 7% SS tax = $48,000.

    By Reality

    September 5, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

    Boort’z summary today of McCain’s speech says it best —

    Here are just some of the excerpts from his speech that I particularly liked:

    I understand who I work for. I don’t work for a party. We were elected to change Washington, and we let Washington change us. We believe in low taxes; spending discipline, and open markets. We believe in rewarding hard work and risk takers and letting people keep the fruits of their labor. I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them. I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them. I will cut government spending. He will increase it. His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor. We will drill new wells offshore, and we’ll drill them now My grandfather came home from that same war exhausted from the burdens he had borne, and died the next day. In Vietnam, where I formed the closest friendships of my life, some of those friends never came home with me. I hate war. It is terrible beyond imagination. The constant partisan rancor that stops us from solving these problems isn’t a cause, it’s a symptom. It’s what happens when people go to Washington to work for themselves and not you. Russia’s leaders, rich with oil wealth and corrupt with power, have rejected democratic ideals and the obligations of a responsible power. They invaded a small, democratic neighbor to gain more control over the world’s oil supply, intimidate other neighbors, and further their ambitions of reassembling the Russian empire. I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God. I particularly liked it when McCain addressed government schools. The teacher’s unions must have been throwing things at the TV.

    Education is the civil rights issue of this century. Equal access to public education has been gained. But what is the value of access to a failing school? We need to shake up failed school bureaucracies with competition, empower parents with choice, remove barriers to qualified instructors, attract and reward good teachers, and help bad teachers find another line of work.

    When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.

    Senator Obama wants our schools to answer to unions and entrenched bureaucracies. I want schools to answer to parents and students. And when I’m President, they will.

    By RealityKing

    September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

    But the silver lining is that Cox Communications will also have to cut emplyees, most likely from their failing organizations. And add in millions of other newly unemployed Americans and we’ll be seeing Jimmy Carters 1976 all over again. Yeap.., a setup for 16 more years of traditional presidents.

    By Chestatee

    September 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

    Vietnam was total bullcrap! Look at things now. We are developing trade with them. Just because you go fight Corporate Americas wars doesn’t make you a hero or anything. You freedom and democracy crying bloggers are nothing but simple minded nutheads.

    By AJC/DNC Management

    September 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

    By WillM September 5, 2008 12:25 PM Hey AJC/DNC Management, what do you think would happen if you tried posting a few times without using the word ‘liberals’. When you folks use these terms so frequently it starts to seem as if they’re being used as a subtitute for thought

    I thought you liberals didn’t read my posts?

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

    jasper:

    Here we go again. Obama does have a 46% tax rate in his plan. See my comment at 11:18 AM. Go look up the facts. Then come back and discuss.

    And let me know when you vote for congresspeople who vow never to accept earmarks for anything in your district. It’s always “wasted money” when it’s spent elsewhere and “bringing home the bacon” when it’s brought to your own area.

    By Voted 4 Bush in 2000/Obama 4 2008

    September 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

    Although I wish he’d become president in 2001 rather than lil’ Bush, I won’t be voting for a man who:

    • voted with said presidential failure 95% of the time (doesn’t sound like a “maverick” or “Reform Republican” to me)

    • still actively endorses Bush’s first-term cowboy-like diplomacy regarding resurgent Russia

    • voted against MLK Day (come on, really?!?)

    • heads up a campaign that spews elitist accusations against his opponent but can’t remember how many houses he owns

    I greatly admire McCain’s military service and hope he continues to put country first (i.e., don’t turn to the Republican Machine’s politics of fear/smear), but we need a very smart leader with a fresh perspective and the ability to inspire.

    P.S. From a 9/5 Campaign for America’s Future release: The misery index hit the worst level since May 1991, according to a new analysis released today by the Campaign for America’s Future. New jobless numbers jumped to a 5-year high of 6.1 percent, pushing the misery index to 11.7 percent. The index hit double digits in June 2008 for the first time since 1993.

    The misery index played a role in the 1980 presidential election when President Reagan reminded voters that stagflation increased it to more than 20 percent. With unemployment and inflation on the rise, the misery index is important again.

    By MikeB

    September 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

    Jay- Were we watching the same speech???

    I guess liberals like you have a filter in your head that twists things people say…….. Big surprise.

    McCain may not have the oratory skills of Obama, or a Clinton I will give you that, but his has a humble dignity, and will to do what is appropriate that the Clintons or Obama will ever come close too.

    He does not assume power, he respects it and works it for the benefit of people who put their sweat and effort into this country. Not the leach’s who want to suck it dry through government programs, taxes to fund them and handouts. I’m guessing here but this last group sounds like the people that the AJC panders too, to sell newspapaers. Filter that Jay.

    Have a nice day.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

    little dude, I have looked at his ludicris tax plan of 46% with convoluted tax credits, event the rebate for tax credits. The contents are nothing more than an elaborate sales pitch for raising taxes. To one audience it at least shows how he will fund the massive federal increase in spending he plans, to others, its just simply to confusing for their idol worshiping minds.

    Bye the way, do you see where Zero is having to get Hillary out on the campaign trail today, to rally the ladies. Boy if I were Joe Biden, I’d hire a cup bearer and food taster.

    By Amy in the ATL

    September 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

    OMG there are a lot of ignorant folks blogging here. As someone from the middle, I’d like to make a few observations about both candidates:

    McCain is not Bush. He has principles, and has a admirable record of working with folks on both sides of the aisle. That said, the GOP is highly unpopular at the moment, and the chants of USA! USA! probably didn’t help McCain all that much. We’re not at the Olympics, people. Chanting USA! USA! at a GOP rally implies that you don’t consider Americans with differing viewpoints to be patriotic, which is insulting to many of us and isn’t doing a heck of a lot to improve your lot in life. The GOP has been in the White House for the last 8 years, and has managed to ruin the national treasury, devalue the dollar, increase unemployment, increase healthcare costs, increase inflation, and overall drag down the current U.S. economy and run up the national debt to a level that it will be a real burden to future generations. So I don’t think “USA! USA!! should be your chant so much as “Sorry, America! We’d like another chance to make things right!” Most of us are tired of your Freedom Fries, USA Lapel Pin Mafia, and trying to save brain-dead women in Florida when the economy is going up in smoke. Grow up. Fortunately McCain is a better man than your average party hack, and I would expect him, as president, to rise above the fray.

    As far as Obama is concerned, his resume is considerably lighter than McCain’s. And while he speaks of bipartisanship, he doesn’t have McCain’s track record. But that said, the policies he put forth weren’t all that liberal, he never said he was going to raise taxes for ordinary Americans, he did say we needed to build nuclear power plants (not popular with the party attendees, by the way) and called on Americans to step up to the plate and do their part to help solve the energy crisis. His primary difference from McCain on policy issues is that he is more focused on improving the standard of living of the middle class, and is willing to take more radical steps to address the healthcare crisis and revamp the tax code. He also had a bit in his speech about rewriting the tax code to encourage companies to keep jobs in the U.S., as opposed to rewarding them for shipping jobs overseas. This is one idea that really might help level the playing field for U.S. workers without creating an undue burden for businesses, which really isn’t in anyone’s self interest.

    Overall, I think mainstream America will likely benefit either way in this election, as both McCain and Obama seem to be men that are less partisan and divisive than the current administration or congressional leadership. But we as Americans need to give them a chance, and I hope that whoever gets elected, we will give their ideas for change a fair shake instead of retreating to the old nasty mudslinging that hasn’t gotten us very far in the last few decades. We have real problems and we need real solutions, not sound bytes, not obviously partisan commentators, and definitely not Americans attacking other Americans as being un-American because they differ in their viewpoints.

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

    Jay, When I posted my comments on being one of the hideous rich people opposed to Obama’s redistribution of wealth and the reasons I opposed them, the blog under “uppity” was mysteriously raised entirely. I guess you didn’t want people to hear the truth!

    By Locke

    September 5, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

    Amy in the ATL, But they started it…

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

    Jay, I am one of the disgusting rich that people despise but when I posted my reason for why Obama’s redistribution of wealth was wrong, the blogs under “uppity” mysteriously disappeared. Did my blog scare you or did you not want the truth to be heard?

    By demwit

    September 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

    McCain’s speech was like watching my grandfather give the benediction! BORING!!

    But, during those stormy rides home, grandpa is still the one most trusted in the driver’s seat. And certainly not the time to put an inexperienced teen with a social agenda behind the wheel..

    By Jimmy Joe Bob

    September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

    Note to all: this was originally posted by THE Captain on Wooten’s blog but certainly bears repeating on lest we forget who John McCain REALLY IS. Especially since we are ALL basking in the glow of “St John.”

    THE Captain agrees with Jim, of course. The Dummycrats have tried and failed to put a dent in the Promethean Armor of St John, an armor forged in the crucible of five years in a Hanoi prison, years when pampered Ivy League legacy boys were dodging their National Guard commitments and snorting cheap blow off the bums of Mexican h00kers.

    But this is the God’s Truth…those five years made Mr Cindy McCain an indestructible Iron Man. For just like the cartoon character, Mr Cindy McCain was captured by ENEMIES OF FREEDOM (hi Dusty) and only survived because of his strong character, a willingness to sign false confessions, and an almost superhuman skill at metallurgy and electrical engineering. And that is why he has a wife who own many houses. For that, my friends, is the American Dream.

    Yes, Our St John of Our Lady Cindy is the living embodiment of the American Dream. Here is a man who was a PRISONER OF WAR (though he really doesn’t like to mention it, no really, it’s just that LIE-berals make him, all the time, without cease), who returned home with no career prospects to find a broken wife and suffering a clear case of PTSD-inspired promiscuity and near-alcoholism. But through grit and determination, Our St John dumped his fat @$$ first wife and married the Virgin Cindy, whose money and family connections catapulted Our Hero to the pinnacle of American political success. Talk about earning it!! He was a POW.

    Now many leftists and hariy-pitted feminazis like to dwell on the way St John discarded his first wife like a used condom in a highway rest stop. But Our St John is not like all those other Republicans who toss aside their starter wives as soon as their udders begin to sag. And even though his dismissal of the near crippled first Mrs McCain is eerily similar to the way St Newt dumped the first Mrs Gingrich, it is not at all the same. For THE Captain believes that any man whose only avenue for sexual relief for 5 and half years is with GI Joe in a BAMBOO PRISON CAGE has the right to treat women any damned way he pleases. And so it is with Our Lady Cindy, who he lovingly refers to as the rhymes-with-bunt.

    Now sure, Mr Cindy McCain comes off as prickly, cantankerous, and occasionally off-kilter in a way that makes you want to hide any kitchen utensil sharper than the plastic spoon he uses to eat his nightly cream of wheat while he watches Matlock. Well, you would be irrationally volatile, too, IF YOU HAD BEEN A POW. Well, he was one, though he doesn’t like to share that.

    Sure, he occasionally forgets where certain insignificant countries appear on the map; and he often reacts to world events as though he has a case of Tourettes; and granted, it often seems as if he does not understand economic issues beyond the level of a 3rd grade lemonade entrepeneur. But all this is forgiven, BECAUSE HE WAS A POW. And you weren’t. Case closed.

    So go ahead, you nancy boys of the Dummycrat party — keep on telling the nation that St John is a carbon copy of Our Leader Bush (though without the intellectual sophistication) and that his plans (such that they are) are incoherent and destined to disastrous failure. For while all this is undoubtedly true, the fact is that JOHN McCAIN WAS A POW OMFG LEAVE THE POOR MAN ALONE.

    By WillM

    September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

    AJC/DNC Management: I thought you liberals didn’t read my posts?

    That’s my point. It’s gotten to where I half scan each post to see if certain words are used, like liberals, commis, pinkos. etc., and whenever I see them I just tend to tune out. I don’t know why, it’s just a reflex I guess. Ideological rants seem less interesting than actual discussion to me.

    By Forrest

    September 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

    Jay,

    Here is one thing you don’t get. Obama is not good when he is in settings where he is off the teleprompter and without a big crowd. Have you seen some of those YouTube moments where he can’t get out of his own way? McCain bested him at that Saddlebrook Forum and the debates are the type of forum where McCain will do better and Obama will show he isn’t so hot on his feet. As for the VP debate I hope Biden brings a mouth guard.

    By ron

    September 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

    Good afternoon Jay,I agree with you,he is a tough old bird.Very tough.He is the toughest,with the most experience of all the candidates.Then comes Biden,maybe.Then comes Palin,definitely.Maybe she should actually be ranked above Biden.Dragging up the rear comes your candidate,Mr.Obama, The new guy on the block.Good choice ,Jay.Why have a President with experience when Obama is such a quick study?Know what a quick study is Jay?He’s a guy that asks you how to do something today and writes a book about it tomorrow,claiming the knowledge as his own.

    Mrs.Palin took Obama apart on Wednesday night and piled the pieces in the corner.

    Now ,Jay,I don’t know where Obama’s career is going from here and I certainly don’t know if he’s going to be elected or not,but listen to what Mrs.Palin had to say.She was right.Obama is only a name.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

    This just in:

    Vegas just put 4 to 1 odds that if McCain goes up 5 points average in both Gallup and Rasmussen polls, that an unfortunate event will befall Joe Biden preventing him from continuing in the race, and being replaced by…….

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

    Forrest: so you have a problem with Palin not being allowed to talk with the press and only being told to stick to the script they give her? Unless you’re a hypocrite about it, you should be concerned. Can she speak without that?

    And your ridiculous assertion about Obama needing a teleprompter: what crap! The guy’s been an awesome law school professor (according to his peers and bosses). You can’t get more unscripted than that. I think you just hate the fact that Obama has a brain and uses it to think about the question being answered instead of responding with cue-card precision on the latest talking points.

    And, Ron, let’s see if the McCain camp lets anyone other than softball questions from FAUX News question your new infatuation Gov Palin. You sure she has a brain in there and isn’t just an artists’ rendering of the Republican VP?

    By Citizen of the World

    September 5, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

    Amy from ATL, we need more people like you posting on these blogs.

    And I’m in agreement with WillM regarding AJC/DNC Management. His posts are so predictably rabid and transparently thin, I just scroll past them. I’m looking for people who have something remotely reasonable and well-considered to say.

    And could we please, regardless of ideology, raise the level of discourse on this blog and stop with all the name-calling?

    By "The Corporal"

    September 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

    To Goldie:

    “When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.”

    Anuthor Unknown

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

    OMG, Obama can’t even talk without his teleprompter. Didn’t you even see the clip when it went off? What a joke! Palin’s teleprompter went ahead of her speech during the RNC and she was brilliant! Obama is a junior senator with 143 days experience, flip flopping on every issue to whatever he feels the voters want, empty suit man with serious character flaws trying to promote himself. That is what we really need running this cournty. Enough said!

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

    TC you keep repeating your postings over and over about teleprompters.

    Have you wondered why Palin isn’t being allowed to talk with the press? Could it be that she’ll be totally lost without her script and that she’s in over her head?

    And can you explain how a well-regarded law professor could teach without being able to speak extemporaneously on any topic? Oh, and did you see Obama’s UNSCRIPTED interview with Bill O’Reilly last night? Did he sound like he couldn’t speak clearly or does that not go with your oft-repeated assertion that he’s unable to speak without a teleprompter.

    Oh, and are you upset with Gov. Palin’s new team for saying it was sexist to question her qualifications for the second highest office in the land… after Gov. Palin herself said in March that to question Hillary’s qualifications is expected and should just make the woman work harder to prove herself?

    Learn to get past the partisan nonsense.

    By Forrest

    September 5, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe,

    The GOP convention just wrapped up. Have a little patience. Of course she will have to appear before the press, debate etc. I’m not worried about that. She is a governor, you think she hasn’t dealt with the press before. Just because it isn’t on your time table means nothing.

    As for Obama, don’t take my word for it, check out youtube.com/watch?v=2xBX8sz3t08 and see for yourself. There are others too. As for his “brain” and how smart he is, he isn’t quite the all knowing you’d have us believe or he’d know we have 50 states.

    By Midori

    September 5, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

    Hey Ron,

    “tearing someone apart” is pretty easy to do when you have nothing but lies, sleaze and innuendo in which to do it.

    that’s like using dentures to rend your meat with rather than your real teeth

    By GA_Tiger Fan

    September 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

    Liberals like Goldie and the rest of the sheep are running scared…..ever since Gov. Palin’s awesome speech they have come to realize that the messiah Osama may not actually win in Nov and they’re scared to death and will stop at nothing to try and smear Palin and McCain. I love watching the desperation!! It was also evident by the fact Obama’s donations rose significantly after Ms. Pailn’s speech too. They realize they are going to have to spend a whole lot of money to get Osama back leading the polls. Bottom line is he loses in Nov. Palin was a homerun of a choice for VP.

    By peu

    September 5, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

    obama went on the factor for the same reason as hellery - they smell their own defeat

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe; Yes, I saw a part of the interview as the rest will be aired over several days. I am sure he has practiced his comments, preparing for days as he was so hesitant to go on his show. Let’s wait until we see the entire interview to make judgements.

    Are you upset that Biden himself said that Obama was unqualified to be president?

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

    Forrest: I’ve seen all the silly videos. Geez. Did you see Obama on O’Reilly? Did he look like he was using a teleprompter?

    As for the press… why should I wait? There’s only 60 days left. Why are they hiding her? She’s not planning on taking ANY press questions at least for the next three weeks. Why should she remain hidden if she’s running for VP? I thought you had to be VP before you got to hide out in the undisclosed location. Would you tolerate hiding from a Democrat and do you just think asking about it is partisan politics?

    By Forrest

    September 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

    Oops. Here is the correct youtube link. youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe - Zero was a senior lecturer presenting what amounted to seminars, as he referred to them, primarily on race and rights. So we will grant him extemporaneous speaking ability on those topics. Bet he still stammerred a lot. Who cared. UC offered him a tenured track position. At least he’s got something to fall back on.

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe, And by the way it was sexist to ask her as she is a governor of a state. Have the press ever asked a male governor the same questions or questions on their parenting decisions?

    The press was unfair to Hillary as well.

    By diamond Dawg

    September 5, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

    I disagree with the Democrats. I disagree with the Republicans. What I heard last night was someone that is willing to work for Americans, not political parties. Die hard liberals are making fools of themselves running around like the world will come to an end if another Republican is in office. Truth is, a democratic congress combined with a wishy washy, uninformed presidential candidate scares the hell out me a lot more than a candidate that isn’t even well liked by his own party.

    JAY - JUST WHAT SKILL SETS DO YOU LOOK FOR IN THE NEXT PRESIDENT? Obama is younger and speaks better than McCain. They are in completely different leagues when it comes to experience, leadership and decision making. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE ONLY THING THAT JOHN MCCAIN HAS GOING FOR HIM IS THAT HE’S A TOUGH OLD BIRD?????

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe; Why isn’t the media all over Obama for his experience of 143 days as he is running for PRESIDENT. If we are to count Community Leader, we should count the PTA.

    By The Way

    September 5, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

    Does anyone know what Nookwood’s point was in this latest garble of disjointed half-thoughts and mindless meanderings. Did he really write, “Lets see how it plays out?”

    Dont make me give up on you Pookman.

    TC: “Lets see how it plays out” Not U2.

    What R U people? Lets see how you play this thread out.

    Morons.

    The multi-sporting of Sarah Palin: “The speech was a homerun. McCain threw a Hail Mary. Palin caught it and scored a TD. She nailed the Hat Trick. It was Ali Shuffle. She rope-a-doped. It was a right cross….. The cross…. Slowly I turned…step by step….to see a guard drawing a cross in the sand….or was he a cross dresser in a sand trap with a wedge…..I dont know….anyway….it wasn’t a double cross. Nyuck nyuck.

    morons.

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

    TC: 143 days of what? He’s been in the US Senate since Jan ‘05, he was in the Illinois government for several years, led the Harvard Law Review… of course, none of that compares to 20 months of being a governor of a state with fewer people than Dekalb County. So by your logic, Vernon Jones is more qualified to be VP than either of them… and we know THAT’S not true either.

    As for your other Republican talking point about the questions being asked her… you mean like the questions John Edwards had to endure over his family? How about the ones our very own Speaker Richardson had to handle over his divorce and probably daliances with a lobbyist? One of her main platforms is “family values”. Why isn’t it acceptable to find out what she really means when it comes to her own family?

    And why would I be upset if Biden or anyone else says that Obama is unqualified? Compared to Biden’s experiences, I’m sure Biden felt like he was more qualified. I’m sure Hillary feels the same way, as does McCain. Doesn’t make it true, just means that what they feel. Over 18 million Democrats felt differently about his qualifications.

    On the other hand, I notice you once again bring out the tired attacks on Obama instead of defending Palin. Interesting. Means you can’t defend her. Which is sad, really, that you’re voting for someone you can’t point to and say that she’s able to stand on her own.

    Right now, I think of her as a chicken. And the Republicans are getting fooled again by someone who is willing to get over-handled this way.

    By ron

    September 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

    Midori—-You’ll have to point out the lies to me,I don’t know what they were.

    ByteMe—-I’m waiting to hear her asked the tough questions.I personally would like to question her about Creationism.

    By Midori

    September 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

    in that case, Ron, may I suggest that you get hooked on phonics.

    By ByteMe

    September 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

    Ron: let’s add “no abortions in case of rape or incest”, “no stem cell research”, “I was for earmarks before Ted went down in flames over it and now I’m against them but I took the money anyway”.

    All positions of hers that demand more explanation….

    The American people want to know. Why does she need to be hidden from them except in carefully scripted situations where no questions are allowed? Does this remind us of a certain president?

    By KJ

    September 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

    Jay

    OK. I give up. You’re right, Obama is the second coming and McCain/Palin has no chance. They are not even worthy of your criticism.

    Let me go ahead and get on the bandwagon. Can you tell me where i can send my tax dollars? I hope i can make enough over the next 4 years to pay my increased Tax bill.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

    I can’t get that chant out of my head from the Palin speech.

    Zero! Zero! Zero!

    What does it mean?

    By Swami Dave

    September 5, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

    So ByteMe….what is your question about Creationism? Whether she happens to believe it or whether she thinks that the different views should be presented (both their areas of strength as well as their areas of weakness) and let the students decide?

    -Swami Dave

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe: Yes, I am correct, 143 days of mostly voting “present” as he couldn’t make up his mind. I sure didn’t hear those questions asked of John Edwards. Obviously, we get our news in different places.

    Since Biden is more qualified, don’t they have their positions backward?

    All I see is the Democrats terrrified of a smart, experienced woman and it is hilarious. They should be terrified. Seen the polls today, ByteME?

    And by the way, 51% of those polled think that the press is being unfair to her.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe - By virtue of your constant and illogical posts in this blogosphere, for the countless minutes you have spent in thought on national issues, I confer upon you all of the qualifications needed to run for President. You are now equivalent to Barack Obama. One more day of this and you will have exceeded him.

    By TC

    September 5, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

    Also ByteME: Why don’t you read the article by Barbara Amiel online at the Wall Street Journal? It will make you understand.

    By Citizen of the World

    September 5, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

    Palin has said that she thinks creationism should be taught in school. Why should creationism be taught in science class when it’s not science?! That’s the scary part. Not that she believes in it.

    By ron

    September 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

    Midori—thick today,missed your point.

    ByteMe—-She killed the bridge and kept the money for the State of Alaska.That’s understandable.Not right in the strictest sense,but understandable.The abortion bit and the stem cell research come from her religion,as does her Creationism.I would like to have her explain the whys and wherefores of Creationism to me.While I listened and asked pointy questions.I want to know why a seemingly intelligent person goes this route.I don’t subscribe to this belief and I want to know why others do.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

    Citizen - What she said, was that creationism should be taught in addition to evolution as a popular theory. And yes, you should be scared.

    By jasper

    September 5, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

    Ron,

    What would you like to know about creationism or intelligent desing vs evolution. You don’t have to be snide, just ask your pointy questions.

    By The Way

    September 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

    Creationism shouldn’t be dismissed as an impossibility. Creationism is actually quite possible, and as we march forward in our understanding of the universe, it’s looking more and more likely, BUT, with each new insight into how the universe was formed, we open up a thousand new questions, so, in conclusion, never scoff at other folk’s belief system. It just may be the truth.

    See, I’m a catholic. I believe in the virgin birth, the divinity of christ and the second coming. I fully expect to end up roasting in hell for all eternity, I mean, if the Ten Commandments are any guide. I told a priest once that I seem to be breaking the same ten commandments over and over. He got mad, didn’t get the bit, and then the next day at Mass, he singled me out during his homily as a bad catholic and that I should just get lost. “….and ALL YOU PEOPLE who keep committing the same sins over and over should review your lives, get down on your knees and repent and figure out what you’re going to do with your lives…” Honest. He didn’t point at me, but he looked right at me as he delivered this diatribe. Now, I was squirming, and trying not to let any of the congregation know he meant me. I had to review how the priest coulda figured out it was me in the booth the day earlier, and it must be that my head/hair shape is unmistakeble in the shadows that filter through the screens in the confessional.

    Curses. I mean, WTF does God want, anyway?

    God, what do you want? WHAT?

    By ron

    September 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

    Jasper—-I understand Creationism and evolution,I just want to know why Mrs.Palin went the route she did.I know Creationism stems from religion,I would like to know the basis of her beliefs,from her.Why do you want to teach Intelligent Design in schools,would be one question.Is Intelligent Design religion in disguise,would be another.We could go from there and exlore whether she favored separating Church and State.Understand?

    By jack

    September 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

    So.

    You right wing guys are saying that only Republicans can fix the mess that Republicans created in the last 8 years.

    (boy you guys are dumb. You fall for the same tired lines, election after election)

    8 years of Clinton - gas rose from $1.20 to $1.26. 8 years of W. Bush - gas rose from $1.26 to $4.15

    Enjoy sending your money to the middle east while Bush / Cheney get richer and laugh at you.

    By ron

    September 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

    Jack—I could have been happy with another Clinton.

    By old91A10

    September 5, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

    McCain and Palin are not Bush and Cheny. I admire and trust them in very particular ways, and believe they will provide the perfect counterpoint to the expected Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.

    I do not trust anything that Obama or anyone in the DNC says, under any circumstances. I held out to vote again for J. Lewis, but after 35 years I am no longer supporting the DemocRAT Party.

    Yes He Can: pervert the primary campaigns; refuse to impeach or censure; support retroactive FISA immunity; abandon campaign and election reforms; reject universal or single payer healthcare; support the Class Action (UN)Fairness act; equivocate and deceive on deployment of troops; abandon marriage rights, women’s control of their own bodies, LGBT issues; repeatedly support the Patriot Act; fear and refuse to debate other candidates; adulate the failures RWR and GHWB at the expense of HRC and WJC; move right of and orthogonal to progressive principles. Are you happy with any of my above?

    Do you doubt that there will be solid, probably veto-proof, Democratic majorities in both The House and Senate?

    I am sure you know that ALL power (Constitutional safeguards, Judicial selections, purse strings, use and support of the military, …, impeachment) flows from Congress. We’ve already tried sugar with them, and what did we get? Worse than nothing!

    The violation of the Fourth Amendment is the clincher (do you need links to House & Senate votes?). Egregious in it’s own right, by rationale and precedent, it opens up the entire Constitution to similar attack. Ooops! Sorry Sirs/Madams. I was acting under higher orders when I broke in and took your notes, books, firearms, children, computers, etc. Nothing was out of order, but we’ll just keep this stuff. By the way, my boss and I are off the hook, unless you try to sue me. Evidence? What evidence?

    Endorsing this traitorous cabal (Obama, Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Axelrod, Goolsbee, Brazile, et al.) by giving them their duplicitous, slippery, ‘no heavy lifting’ candidate only gets us more of the same abuse. This time they are going to have the world’s biggest whip! Don’t be delusional that this is all politics, and once in office zerObama will fix all of those f-ups.

    It’s sharp stick in the eye time folks. So, what I’ve got going for me is taking away my vote (down one), and voting for the opposition (down two). With the polls running even (+/-), twenty percent of 18 million might just do the trick.

    PUMA — McCain Palin 08 — DemocRATs, rife with misogyny and racism, get off your asses and ask me again in 2012

    By Thrash

    September 5, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

    Time to remake the movie “Two Mules For Sister Sarah”. One mule could be Obama, the other Biden. Whip em girl.

    By TooMuch

    September 5, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

    Is anger the only expression repugs know? You have very nasty, venomous attitude toward those who believe in the better part of humanity. You want to remain soul sucking vampires against the human spirit and the possibility that change for everyone is good. You can continue to spew the attacks and we will continue to see right through them and being strategic distractions from the truth which is YOU ALL BLEW IT THIS TIME. REMEMBER YOUR PARTY STOLE THE LAST ELECTION AND PROCLAIMED GEORGE W. BUSH A MAN OF GOD INSTEAD OF THE WARMONGER HE IS AND LOOK AT THE ECONOMY TODAY 605,000 JOBS LOST SINCE JANUARY. THAT IS THE FACT, STICK TO THEM AND START LOOKING IN THE MIRROR AND YOUR IDEOLOGY. IT DOESN’T WORK!

    By TooMuch

    September 5, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

    The other thing did you see the appropriatly name pitbull on the campaign trail, reading her script word for word, actually following her finger along the page. Seems that she doesn’t have any original thoughts, just Rove attack dogs speech writers. Shame, you all really need to leave the scripts alone and come down out of the clouds, for you own sake.

    By TooMuch

    September 5, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

    The other thing did you see the appropriatly named pitbull on the campaign trail, reading her script word for word, actually following her finger along the page. Seems that she doesn’t have any original thoughts, just Rove attack dogs speech writers. Shame, you all really need to leave the scripts alone and come down out of the clouds, for you own sake.

    By old91A10

    September 5, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

    @TooMuch

    Take your head out of Obama’s backside, you’re crowding out the DNC.

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