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DEL.ICIO.USConvention impressions, Night Two
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
“Barack Obama began his career fighting for workers displaced by the global economy. He built his campaign on a fundamental belief that change in this country must start from the ground up, not the top down. He knows government must be about ‘We the people’ not ‘We the favored few.’
And when Barack Obama is in the White House, he’ll revitalize our economy, defend the working people of America, and meet the global challenges of our time. Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. And President Obama and the Democrats will do it again.
He’ll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He’ll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can’t wait to watch Barack Obama sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.
Barack Obama will end the war in Iraq responsibly and bring our troops home - a first step to repairing our alliances around the world. — Hillary Clinton, Aug. 26, 2008
It seemed to me Hillary did exactly what she needed to do last night, and did it very well. As I noted below, I think it was the best speech I’ve ever seen her give. The passion seemed real, and there was no sign of the defensiveness and stilted delivery that in the past have handicapped her as a speaker.
I did have to chuckle at those boys on Fox though. Fred Barnes insisted the Obama camp was going to be very upset at the Hillary people. Bill Kristol claimed the endorsement was “shockingly minimal.” Pretty damn funny, those guys. They live in an alternative universe. Of course, in that universe Saddam also had tons of WMD, we would be greeted as liberators and the Iraqis would finance their own reconstruction.
I also think Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer did a good job as well, although at times in his speech it did seem like he was channeling Rodney Dangerfield with his body language. He would have been fun to watch even with the sound off.
Comments
By Mike
August 27, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Once again, Bookman demonstrates that he is incapable of putting his fingers near a keyboard without some partisan attack.
Jay, guess what? Most Americans could not care less about the fact that you pundits don’t like each other. You guys are just two sides of the same intellectually honest coin. Yes, the guys on Fox predictably spin to the right all the time. Just like you spin to the left all of the time. You are both partisan hacks who hew to ideological lines.
Listening to partisan pundits gripe about each other is like listening to the Bloods talk about the Crips, as if there is any difference besides the color of the bandana.
By ByteMe
August 27, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this
I thought it took her a little long to get to that “pivot” point when she transferred the adulation of her delegates over to Barack. The build-up was just a bit too long and I started wondering if she was ever going to mention Obama. At least it wasn’t boring. Yes, the Fox analysts did have their “fair and balanced” filters on for their commentary… which is to say they only saw negatives where none really existed. On the other hand, CNN’s analysts were spinning it into infinity, which also didn’t seem realistic.
And what was she trying to say when she used the phrase “… from ending discrimination to promoting unionization”? Did she go for the rhyme and step in a minefield?
When Schweitzer was on Dangerfield didn’t pop into mind, but “Fred Flintstone on speed” did. He definitely had some goofy body language. But he got them fired up, which is more than I can say for the speakers before him. Was a snooze-fest until then.
By AJC/DNC Management
August 27, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this
Big picture, Jay, big picture:
Obama has a huge problem with female voters. A Democratic candidate should be running 10 to 15 points better among women than among men. But Obama is losing men by 1 and carrying women by 1. While he’s doing about as well as she should among women under 40, he is actually losing those who are older, a group a Democrat usually sweeps.
He didn’t help himself with these women by not choosing Hillary. Now, when Hillary spends all of Tuesday night showing what a grievous omission leaving her off the ticket really was, the electoral consequences for Obama are likely to be horrific.
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 7:11 AM | Link to this
The speech was a grand slam, delivered with passion, and exactly what Hillary’s supporters needed to hear.
Brava, Sen. Clinton.
While I watched it on CSPAN, a little after it was over, I had to have a look at how the Fox freaks would spin this. They all looked as if they’d just learned Reagan National Airport had been re-named to honor Hugo Chavez.
Which was just the kind of glum, “we-are-so-well-and-truly-farked” expressions I wanted to see.
By AJC/DNC Management
August 27, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this
Senator Clinton ran her presidential campaign making clear that Barack Obama is not prepared to lead as commander in chief. Nowhere tonight did she alter that assessment. Nowhere tonight did she say that Barack Obama is ready to lead. Millions of Hillary Clinton supporters and millions of Americans remain concerned about whether Barack Obama is ready to be President.
I’m AJC/DNC Management and I approve this message.
By Bud Wiser
August 27, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this
As my wife pointed out for me to watch Hillary’s replay intro this morning, she also pointed out what was missing….Hillary was “proud to be a mother…a Democrat…a Senator from New York…” but in this new wave Democratic family values love fest, no where did she mention she was proud to be a “wife”, of a former President no less.
Hmmm.
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
Anybody believe this?
Source: Bill Clinton will not attend Obama’s Invesco speech
For that matter does anybody believe Billy Jeff will stay on script tonight? I’m sure Barry feels comfortable knowing what’s loaded into the teleprompter, but unlike The Dunce, Bill doesn’t need a teleprompter.
Could anybody forget the greatest applause line BJ got in 1988?
And in conclusion…
By ByteMe
August 27, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
Bud, her campaign persona was to be a distinct entity from Bill. This seemed to be no different. She did refer to him in the speech, just not as part of her personal or professional life. Did seem slightly odd, but then again, political couples where each are very accomplished are definitely not the norm (the Doles come time mind, but that’s about it), so I doubt there’s a Miss Manners guide to how you pull it off.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
My days start very early and these late nights are killing this old broad!
But it’s worth it.
Many thanks to Hillary, she did a great job last night.
Yep, the huge division in the Democratic Party is just another Republican fantasy….like WMD’s…..
18 million folks voted for Hillary and only 60 PUMA’s showed up in Denver. Wow, that’s something!
One House One Spouse Obama 08
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
Now I hope that all Dems realize that this election is not about the Clintons being dissed during the primaries, but about the future of America. A vote for McBush is a vote for the death of the middle class!
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
Senator Clinton ran her presidential campaign making clear that Barack Obama is not prepared to lead as commander in chief.
As Hillary has stated: “I am Hillary Clinton and I DO NOT APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE!”
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Jay, no account of last night should neglect to note Lily Ledbetter, who last night in her speech attested to the legal and moral vaccuum left by eight years of Bush league justice.
It’s given us a Supreme Court packed with Federalist Society thugs, a Justice department filled with “loyal Bushies,” an emboldened Senate minority blocking needed legislation and—worst of all—decent, hard-working, high-achieving people like Lily, screwed by sexist pigs in corporate management.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
Oh, and I loved the line….The sisterhood of the traveling pansuits!
By AJC/DNC Management
August 27, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
As Steve Kornacki (one of the few reporters to show an interest in accurate historical analogies this campaign season) aptly pointed out in The New York Observer, when Kennedy and Hart were running much farther back in their bids for the nomination - Kennedy was trailing by 1,000 delegates in ‘80; Hart by 600 in ‘84 - they didn’t get hit by any serious pressure to drop out.
Bruno, by contrast, was harassed by media to drop out even as she was winning major states and running neck-and-neck with Oblahma in the popular vote.
Thee “Inevitable One” is now nothing more than a tool.
It’s been one hell of a journey, going from presumptive nominee to having the dhimmocrat party toadies even wondering if you are on board with them.
These are cold blooded, calculating non humans, these Klintoons, whatever she said last night was a duty, not anything close to what was really on her mind, with future political benefits being the sole motivating factor.
But now that that little chore is behind them, watch the subversion begin anew…….
Bruno 2012.
Bwa.
By Eric1
August 27, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
I feel a renewed sense of hope when miss management makes a prediction. The one about horrific consequences for Obama is especially uplifting. Hillary’s oration was a work of art. She is one of the most graceful, intelligent and praise worthy women of our time. I hope she’ll still want to be president after eight years of Obama/Biden. She’ll make a great first woman president and she deserves the honor every bit as much as our country needs her presence in the Oval Office. Sixteen years will be a good start at healing and erasing the massive damage we’ve sustained at the hands of Bush/Cheney/McCain.
By MMK
August 27, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
I wanted Hillary to be the presidential candidate, she made me really proud last night ( I am sure she disappointed Fox News , good !) Unity in the party is what is needed to win this election. I agree ” No way, no how, no McCain ! ” I cant vote for Hillary but McCain is not getting my vote, no way !
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
I must say, I have to take back everything I said about Hillary - the speech was indeed a “grand slam” and I also agree with Jay, it was the best speech I’ve ever heard any Clinton give.
We’ll see if Bill can top it tonight. He’ll be talking about foreign policy.
I typically roll my eyes at James Carville, but I had to agree with him last night, “It is a good night to be a Democrat.”
I had to work last night and didn’t see any of the convention except Hillary’s speech, and some of the commentary before turning in.
I thought it was funny that McCain’s camp sent out the memo so quickly after her speech of what she DIDN’T say (I just wonder, did they have that ready to send out before the speech - along with versions 1-14 ready for the pounce - naw, not them)- I guess in their world, she also didn’t say she believed that the Earth rotates around the sun, so in their minds, she must not believe that either!
I swear - commentators are so literal - they take a word and spin it - take the absence of a word and spin it - I’m sick of them. All of them.
Well done Hillary!
By All Hogwash
August 27, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
“As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before.”
Her recollection is very faulty, indeed. The fact is that President Clinton and the Republicans did it before. From 1992 until the end to Slick Willy’s tenure, the Congress had a Republican majority.
By "The Corporal"
August 27, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
AND I REPEAT ……………..
DANGEROUS DEMAGOGUERETTE
A demagogue is defined as “someone who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions and prejudices of the people”. I already have a multitude of reasons why I would never vote for Hillary Clinton including her stance on the rights of unborn children, her disdain for the U.S. military and her socialist touch on every program or policy she proposes. However, if for no other reason, her unbridled demogoguery at the end of the 2000 Presidential election showed me just how far she would go in a disingenuous and even dangerous effort to gain popular support.
President Bush lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote and thus the election; the U.S. Supreme Court solidifying his victory with a narrow 5 to 4 ruling. Then Mrs. Clinton, a Yale Law School graduate who knew better, angrily insinuated to the American masses that Vice President Gore had been robbed of the election since he won the popular vote. She even stated that one of her first acts as a U.S. Senator would be to propose legislation eliminating the electoral college (she thankfully failed in that attempt). I guess she felt she possessed more wisdom than James Madison and our other founding fathers.
Unfortunately, the great majority of American voters are totally ignorant of the purpose of the electoral college and the incredible history of how this country was founded. Hillary used this sad ignorance to appeal to the public’s fears and to incite them during a time of Constitutional crisis when Florida’s electoral votes were still in doubt and the rule of law and calm needed to be promoted. She knew full well the electoral college was instituted to protect the influence of the smaller states, that those states would never have signed the Constitution without it and that it prevents one region of the country from dominating others in being able to choose a President. It forces a Presidential candidate to appeal to the nation as a whole as opposed to just densely populated areas. In effect, it attempts to bring us together as a nation rather than dividing us as a direct popular vote would.
This is the United STATES of America not the United PEOPLE of America; it is thankfully a constitutional republic and not a pure reactionary democracy and there’s a big difference. Our present “electoral system” allowing the States to have a proper and constitutional role in electing a President mitigates demagoguery. Hillary’s desire for a “popular vote” system would allow demagoguery to thrive. She showed me her true colors back then in her blatant effort to do anything in a quest for power and that reveals the naked soul of a dangerous demagoguerette.
By T
August 27, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Loved Senator Clinton.
The preshow was a little dull.
Still my favorite McCain comparison to Dorthy.
There is no place like home, or a home, or a home, or a home. lol.
By Dennis
August 27, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
And exactly why is Bookman’s opinion or Colms’, or Oberman’s or Tucker’s, better than Fred Barnes or Kristol?
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
uh, aptly-named Hogwash, the GOPee majority in the House came with the ‘94 elections, not in ‘92.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
Another great line….
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D) “We simply can’t drill our way to energy independence. If you drilled everywhere, if you drilled in all of John McCain’s backyards, even the ones he doesn’t know he has, that single proposition is a dry well.”
Fab!
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
What is the deal with these wingers and their unattributed copy/pastes? Bad enough with the LuckoTrooool, but Corporal @ 9.17? WTF?
Anyway, I’m sorry that you share whoever-the-author-was’s terror of an empowered, enfranchised electorate. Yeah, it sure would suck if a majority of Americans had a say in how they were governed, huh?
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
A demagogue is defined as “someone who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions and prejudices of the people”.
thanks for providing that definition Corporal, it is the verbatim definition of the Bush administration.
By Taxpayer
August 27, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Pfc Corporal,
What do you hope to accomplish by repeating the same thing over and over.
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer@ 9:27,
The same thing Dusty does, I guess. Maybe they think if there is some kind of magical phenomenon that ideas become true if you type it a certain amount of times.
By Ray
August 27, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Was surprised to see a feature segment on Cynthia on the Fox broadcast. O’Reilly gave her a pretty good tongue lashing about her political and race bias. Now the whole world knows, Cynthia.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
From Senator Clinton last night:
“[W]e don’t need four more years, of the last eight years. More economic stagnation, and less affordable health care. More high gas prices, and less alternative energy…. John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn’t think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it’s okay when women don’t earn equal pay for equal work. With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they’re awfully hard to tell apart.”
By WillM
August 27, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Jay, I agree with you about the FOX network propaganda, that they live in an alternate universe. But in making light of them, don’t forget, that ‘alternate’ universe has been OUR alternate universe for about 7 years now and the way things look right now, it will most likely CONTINUE to be OUR alternate universe for at least another 4 years, the nightmare universe that we’re all mired in because Democrats just aren’t able to rise above emotion and self-indulgence and be brutally calculating about campaign strategy, and thus are unable to really run effective modern campaigners (only exceptions of course being none other than those very Clintons and their operatives Begala and Carville, the only people on the Democratic side who actually get it).
By Midori
August 27, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
They live in an alternative universe. Of course, in that universe Saddam also had tons of WMD, we would be greeted as liberators and the Iraqis would finance their own reconstruction.
It’s called “Bizzaro World”, Jay. Several here also share that address.
Hillary did a FANTASTIC job, and i expect no less from her wonderful mate. You think he’s gonna let her show him up? LOL!!
By Bud Wiser
August 27, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Hillary’s speech was okay for her. It was okay for any flaming socialist that bit the dirt in the primaries. Bill will erase all memory of her tonight when he takes the stage, because everyone will be waiting to see how deep the party split will be that he creates with his self-serving egomania. He is not a happy camper these days, and has no love for the Obamaniacs who continually diss him. I might watch this one, just to see how low he’ll go.
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid
By @@
August 27, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
It was a speech that inspired women. Chelsea’s contribution was heart felt. Hillary’s mention of Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a true maverick within the dem party was heard loud and clear. Congresswoman T.Jones was steadfast in her support of Hillary when others were defecting to The Big ZerO, OBlahMa.
ByteMe asked And what was she trying to say when she used the phrase “… from ending discrimination to promoting unionization”?
Can’t be certain, but there’s a problem within the union’s rank and file.
DENVER — A prominent union leader on Tuesday blamed racism for Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) failure to build a big lead over GOP rival Sen. John McCain.
Gerald McEntee, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), said many workers are considering voting for McCain (R-Ariz.) because of his military service and status as a hero of the Vietnam War.
A political party simply can’t divvy-up people up without suffering from their pigeonholes.
An inspiring speech, but not one that inspired “confidence” in OBlahMa’s experience or lack thereof. That was definitely missing from “her words”……that mattered.
By Midori
August 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Ray,
maybe he’s upset that she didn’t want to participate in phone sex with him, either.
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
Bosch @ 9.33, you know what they say about a lie repeated often enough.
Hell, I got to hear Zombie Lie about Gov. Casey’s “not being allowed to speak at the 1992 Convention ‘cuz he was pro-Life!” repeated by a multimillionaire tv “journalist” just last night.
By the way, few days ago you said you thought you perhaps “owed me an apology.” Had to bail on that comments thread, and never did find out exactly what you meant. Care to ‘splain please?
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
Socialist!
Facist!
Socialist!
Facist!
Socialist!
Facist!
Boy, now I feel like I have really accomplished something! (Snarkasm)
By Ray
August 27, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
WillM,
What’s so different about Fox and that MSNBC moron saying that Mr. Wonderful gives him a funny feeling running up his leg? Or Katie and Brian and Charlie following the Annointed One on his quest. Or PBS and all of their affiliates airing three to one stories about the Wonder Boy over any Republician and Google News scripting 3/1 pieces about Oblama over any other candidate. You might consider Luckovitch, or whatever his name is, and his “cartoons” or Cynthia and her obvious race and political bias that hits you over the head like a two by four. Alternate universe? Yeah, right!!! It’s only sensible voice that we have and feeling pretty alone out there.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
SPEAKING OF LIES….
Whoops! Top Republican Admits That GOP Is Running “Ministry Of Truth” Against Obama
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger,
I owed you an apology because although obviously I was the one who accused Mr. Bud of saying such awful things about the incident in Tennessee - and even though you repeated that to Mr. Bud, he obviously was too crazed in his rabid state to comprehend and therefore kept hounding you about it.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Hillary did make a great speech. The delivery was perfect. The content was flawed only by sob stories. She has become a skilled orator and a power house of ambition. Her forceful drive made Obama look like a bit of fluff blown on the political stage by chance. She waits impatiently, as she did with her husband, for the fluff to fade.
I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HER. Her path to power rests only on a socialist America. Citizens should be the children of a village of socialism, spoon fed by the government a la Hillary.
I do not care to lose my independence and self reliance. That is what socialism brings. Not care or cuddling of citizens, but CONTROL. If you want to be a puppet, then Hillary is for you. And watch out, she has definitely NOT given up her search for power. As always, she is waiting and planning.
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Sounds like the last eight (8) years to me. Is this what the American people really want for four (4) more years?
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Bosch @ 9.59, if you had actually Bud confused with some other guy who’d posted some trash about the TVUUC shooting, I guess you (gulp) owe the whiny-arsed teaty baby trollboy an apology, not me.
Don’t fret about me, and for sure don’t fret about Bud’s “hounding”. I crap bigger than him.
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
One of those “boys on Fox” as Jay calls them, Michael Steele, generally gives pretty good insight but he just said he thought McCain should go ahead and name his VP pick during the Dhimmicrat convention. somehow I think that would not only get buried, but be viewed unfavorably as well. He should wait until Friday. I bet he doesn’t announce his pick in the dead of night though.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Socialist!
Socialist!
Commie!!
Pinko!
Lib!
Socialist!
(a job well done - snarkasm)
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
from Gov. Kathleen Sebelius
*”For John McCain , there’s no place like home, or a home, or a home.” *
I suspect we will see McCain “melting, melting” before November 4th.
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger,
I am apologizing to you for his hounding you when you obviously told him it was me accusing him of it, yet he kept on. He wrote it - I owe him nothing.
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
RW, Fox calls them “boys.”
By WillM
August 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
What’s so different about Fox and that MSNBC moron saying that Mr. Wonderful gives him a funny feeling running up his leg?
I can’t comment on MSNBC because I wasn’t watching their coverage, but if you’re saying the press swoons over Obama, you’re right. But that’s not nearly as relevant as the right wing claims. The right understands very well that there’s a difference between media fascination with Obama and an actual bias in the coverage. Even though there’s no doubt that Obama was received much fawning atttention by members of the press and the TV media, the same is also to a degree true with John McCain, or has been for a very long time.
I could write a great deal on this topic, but I’ll make do here with a simple example captured in a single word, which will indicate that there is no real advantage in terms of media bias for Barack Obama, but in fact it’s the other way around: M-A-V-E-R-I-C-K.
Not that it’s the media’s job to destroy this myth (that’s Obama’s and the Democrats’ job), but the fact that it’s been thrown around and endlessly repeated without being directly put into question indicates that there’s still an intense fasincation with McCain on the part of the press, which in fact will have much more power in terms of influencing voters in November.
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
RW,
I heard a staffwoman from the McCain campaign last night after Michelle Obama’s speech say to not sleep in Friday morning (in regards to McCain’s VP announcement).
Who do you think he’ll pick?
By Bud Wiser
August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Hillbilly, the expressions you mentioned about the Fox analysts were ‘just the ones you wanted to see, were in fact your own reflection off your polished metal mirror in the toilet of your double wide, as you ruminate that you are in fact on the wrong side.
Bosch, Hillbilly, welcome to my “Thank You” list. Good thing my wife is in the greeting card business…..don’t know how easy it’ll be to get all the “TY” cards I’ll need.
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
RW,
Excuse me - it was Monday night I heard the staffwoman say that.
Ugh, off for some coffee.
By Ray
August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
WillM,
This media bias is recognized for what it is by a thinking, informed public. However, there are a lot of voters out there, especially in the Gen X variety, who couldn’t tell you the name of the Secretary of State. It’s these people who I worry about and the outcome of their vote on the future of our country. Many of them vote for a candidate based on what Ophra or Katie says, not because they don’t want a socialist running this country or a war hero with a lot of houses leading this nation. We are loosing our informed public to a media that thinks that selling a story or filling air time is more important than selecting the right person for the job. The first black candidate with a good looking wife will sell more denture adhesives and corn plasters than a 70yr old war hero. And who suffers……the voting public and in the long run, this great country of ours.
By ByteMe
August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
RW: Michael Steele, generally gives pretty good insight but he just said he thought McCain should go ahead and name his VP pick during the Dhimmicrat convention. somehow I think that would not only get buried, but be viewed unfavorably as well. He should wait until Friday.
McCain, for all his flaws, has more class than to crash someone else’s party. It’s not that the pundits would cry “foul”, so would a whole lot of regular people who would think it a desperate cry for attention. It would backfire badly. He’s right to wait until Friday. If he wanted to steal some thunder from Obama, he could have announced last weekend, but that had risks too.
Better to wait until this weekend.
As for middle of the night: well that was that flaming “liberal” media for you trying to break the news first and Obama having to rush it out early. But of course, the real story violates the whole “liberal media bias” thing the fascists have going….
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
Paris Hilton.
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
RW,
Fair enough.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
Many Dems are partying Thursday night to watch Obama’s acceptance speech — here’s a great location for those in the Atlanta/Decatur area:
Thinking Man Tavern, Decatur
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Jay,
If you see Luckovitch around the office, tell him his portrayal of McCain lately is truly hilarious - the angry old man.
Today’s cartoon is really funny.
Wasn’t it Biden who said that all Guiliani ever said was “noun, verb, 9/11?”
That’s one of the classic moments of this campaign.
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Does anybody want to offer a guess as to who Biden will steal tonight’s speech from?
By Bud Wiser
August 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Goldie, are they going to bring cable TV under the bridges and underpasses, to the soup kitchens and Y’s, to the holding cells and crack houses, for the core constituency of Dimwittocrats to watch?
Obama/Biden ‘08 - making it easy to be stupid
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
I guess I should spell Luckovich’s name right though.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
O’Reilly gave her a pretty good tongue lashing about her political and race bias.
Ray @ 9:36 — ROFLMAO!
Bill Orally giving a lecture to ANYONE on racial bias, when he’s the one who declared after going to a Harlem restaurant how shocked he was at how normal the scene there was… weren’t his words something like “no one was shouting Give Me Mo’ Ice Tea, MO FO!”, and this truly was an amazing scene to him— how could he have known!
LMAO!
By Diamond Dawg
August 27, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Can someone please tell me why McCain having so many homes is an issue?
Should McCain and his family, and his parents and grandparents and in laws be ashamed of the wealth they’ve aquired through the years? I think the dems should drop this issue. The next time it comes up McCain should answer “damn right I have 7 homes and I’m saving up for number eight and number nine will hopefully be the white house!”
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Bosch — and won’t it be great if Biden says something similarly true about McBush, like “all he says are a noun, a verb, and POW”… such a shame that McBush keeps using his POW excuse for every challenge he’s gotten from Obama.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
POOR PEOPLE MUST NOT VOTE!
No homeless, No hungry
No tired, poor, huddled masses
NO don’t let them po’ folks vote!
Let’ rich folks have 1 vote per 5 million dollar in cash!
Don’t worry that only gives Cindy 20 votes!
The Mc-American Way! (snarkasm)
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
Non-Wiser @ 10:42 — the perfect McBush slogan:
“McBush/Satan ‘08 — making it so easy to finally, completely destroy America”.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
Nor can we afford the risk of dementia. 22% of Americans over 70 are affected by mild cognitive impairment, while 13% of Americans over 65 have Alzheimer’s. Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s at age 83, but early signs were evident during his first term. Britain’s “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher developed dementia at age 75.
McCain has never had an Alzheimer’s test, even though he has 6 of the 10 warning signs , including his inability to remember recent facts like the number of homes he owns, the $1M lawsuit he filed in 1990, or the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.
John McCain owes America a thorough neurological examination for cognitive impairment and possible Alzheimer’s long before Election Day.
Sign our petition to the Corporate Media: http://www.democrats.com/mccain-owes-america-an-alzheimers-test
From Democrats.com
and not a bad idea at that!
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Can someone please tell me why McCain having so many homes is an issue?
Dawg— maybe if McBush had actually said that he was not ashamed of having so many homes instead of trying to evade the question, he would not have made an issue out of the question himself. Only McBush can make that issue go away…
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Ray,
I’m Generation X buddy, try Generation Y.
My friends don’t watch Oprah or Katie - even the conservative ones.
By rightytighty
August 27, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Yes, we must live in an alternate universe.., because Republicans are loving this convention. It just hasn’t been believeable! The Obama’s are an average family and Hillary whole heartily supports an Obama Presidency?? Sorry, but it’s just not passing the sniff test and polls are showing it. Heck, the most excitement we’ve seen so far is over the loser! Who by the way, looks more prepared, experienced and all around presidental than the winner!! Add in the two old schoolers scheduled to spew liberal double talk tonight and whump, there it is, another self-made dem disaster.
The pressure now goes way up on Obama to deliver BIG. Utopia is on the line.. Ha Ha!!
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
bosch 10:40
You are such a “funny” fanatic.
Yes, indeed, five years in a POW camp is surely and purely “funny”. McCain is such a joker. Fighting for his country!! What a laugh…at least for you and loser Luckovich.
Woohoo..more Democratic “cute” remarks. Maybe you, bosch, should stick to posts from DNC like Mrs. Godzie does. They are even more laughable than the bosch baloney.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Mrs G. @ 10:49 — and remember we had early signs of Ray-Gun’s dementia when he kept forgetting whether he had sold weapons to terrorists in the Middle East or not!
By WillM
August 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Very true, Ray. The ignorance of the voting public is so shocking that one never ceases to be reminded of Churchill’s quip that democracy is a truly awful way to run our political affairs, but unfortunately all the other alternatives on offer are even worse. Maybe Plato was right after all and all political systems are doomed to degenerate and be overtaken by some other form in a continuous cycle.
On some level, sooner or later, we do as a people have to actually do something to EARN the advantages of this political system, and not just by fighting for freedom abroad but by also having the courage to think and educate oneself (throwing away the shackles of conventional thought — see Immanual Kant).
But, to drop one more dead white man’s name, there appears to be a certain level of Machiavellianism in political affairs, which apparently just can’t be avoided. And my contention is that the Republicans (going back at least to Atwater) have understood this very well. Democrats for whatever reason have been unable to face this and integrate this reality into their process and that’s going to ultimately mean a weaker political system (even if you oppose Democrats) because we won’t have a really evenly matched two-party system where each side keeps the other side at least somewhat honest.
By Ray
August 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
Obviously, P Ditty, Ice T, Snoop Dog or any fine upstanding black Americans were not in that Harlem eatery, otherwise the shots would have drowned out any comments made by some as “biased” as O’Reilly. He probably doesn’t get down to Harlem very often, just as you probably don’t but those fine upstanding Americans are making you look bad. You probably don’t realize this, however. By the way, what does LMAO and ROFLMAO stand for? Must be some really nice comments.
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
“Can someone please tell me why McCain having so many homes is an issue?”
It’s an issue because he claims to know what the people of America are facing and calls Obama elitist! He got into school because of legacy, he finished at the bottom of his class, he was incompetent as a pilot, had an adulterous affair with the “Rich Jezebel” Cindy while his wife was strickened with cancer, and divorced her. Yep, he’s just like one of us!
McCain / Whoever ‘08 - No way!
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
I read Ray’s post about Generation X and it made me laugh.
I don’t see the Gen Xers as the low info demographic….
I think the Oprah and Bill O, tv talking head worshiping voters are middle aged and beyond.
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Many Clinton Supporters Say Speech Didn’t Heal Divisions
“I’m not going to vote for Obama. I’m not going to vote for McCain, either,” said Blanche Darley, 65, a Texas delegate for Clinton. Darley wore a button saying “Obamination Scares the Hell Out of Me.”
“I hate Obama so much that I’m going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary,” said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. “Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn’t care about us. You couldn’t treat [Clinton] any worse.”
“I wish I could leave,” said Straughan, the professor from California. “To be honest, that would make this whole thing a lot easier.”
Change!
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
LOL!
I thought the same thing about McCain and his POW after reading Luckovich’s cartoon today. Have you seen it?
Diamond Dawg,
I wish McCain HAD said it like that - the way he approached it had a lot to do with how the media runs with it - “ask my staff”
No, no one should be ashamed of what the wealth they accumulate (even if you marry into it) - but when you are running for POTUS, and trying to get the vote of millions of folks who are struggling financially and have actually lost their homes, and if you are guilty of calling your opponent elitist - that’s a little much.
Ray,
I forgot - Cindy McCain is pretty hot too, even with those wicked eyes (who I’m convinced will shoot laser beams at people she’s mad at - there’s something wicked about those eyes).
By "The Corporal"
August 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
To Taxpayer:
I was just waiting for you to say that. I’m doing the same thing candidates do - make the same speech over and over and over !
P.S. Interesting that you won’t debate the absurd unconstitutional position she took in 2000.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
Snoop Dog or any fine upstanding black Americans were not in that Harlem eatery,
Ray @ — please do tell us all how you know if “any fine upstanding” citizens were in that Harlem restaurant with Bill Orally or not — do you love Bill-O’s racial rhetoric so much that you can’t help but keep posting racial comments out of habit???
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
So true. Also, I’m worried about Dusty, do you think she’s having a hard time?
I’ll ask her.
Dusty,
Are you having a hard time? I know it’s hard to read nuances in written text sometimes but your post earlier to me seems a little shrilly and off the deep end, and I’m concerned for you.
Oh, and I don’t like bologna - I like mortadella and capricola, and sopressa though (oh and don’t get me started on prosciutto with cataloupe). Since you mentioned Bosch bologna - have you ever had mortadella - now THAT’s Bosch’s bologna? It’s like bologna with pistachios and cracked pepper in it - you should try it sometimes, I think you’d like it.
By WillM
August 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
“Can someone please tell me why McCain having so many homes is an issue?”
Because it’s the Democrats’ (probably feeble) attempt to expose the fraud of Republicans exploiting the resentment of middle America at the perceived elitism of candidates such as Obama, Kerry, Gore, and others.
It’s a fraud because everyone knows that pretty much anyone who makes it to the top of this political system and has any chance of being elected president is in any meaningful sense of the term ‘elite’. What’s at stake is the attempt of the two parties (the two ideologies) to exploit the desires, ambitions, and unfortunately, resentment, of the people (call them “the American people” if you’re buying into the American democratic ideology, or call them “the masses” if you’re looking at them from say the standpoint of 20th Century social criticism) to advance their own ends. Both ideologies resort to offering carrots and sticks, entitlements offered to specific groups in the case of Dems and tax relief in the case of Republicans, both of which are in the end gimmicks. But unfortunately, the Repubs blow the Dems off the field when it comes to wrapping these gimmicks in a compelling narrative that stokes the resentments and patriotic longings of average people (yes, Obama was right with his “bittergate” remark.)
By Diamond Dawg
August 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
I think both potential first ladies look evil. Michelle Obama looks a little like Cruella DeVille to me.
If McCain did indeed cheat on his wife while she had cancer, that does indeed sound like something a Democrat would do.
For the record, I’m not crazy about any cadidate. Obama’s too inexperienced. McCain seems like more of the same. Right now I’ll follow Biden’s advice and vote for the guy that needs the least “on the job training.”
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Ray,
Here ya’ go - email lingo
It’s a list of abbreviations such as LOL, LMAO, etc.
My, young whipper snapper gift to you.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Mrs Godzie and Goldie,
Have you had YOUR dementia test yet? Talk about “signs”, well, lack of original thought is one of them. You know… copying other peoples writings all the time. Repeating and repeating..
I notice Obama has a slight “forgetting problem” also. How many states in the USA, sir? Where is this Democratic Convention being held? Errrrr…
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Bosch — agreed, very excellent Luckovich ‘toon today. Looks like it’s the usual 23% Club-ers who don’t appreciate the humor of McBush’s constant mantra of “for 5-1/2 years, I was unable to (fill in the blank here)”, whether it’s answering how many homes he lives in or whether he knows anything about music past the 1970’s.
What was that song that McBush once claimed was his favorite because he sang it while in the Hanoi Hilton, and it turns out the song was not even released until a few years AFTER he got outta Viet Nam? Speaking of dementia…
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Great idea Bosch & Goldie!
Are you guys working for McCain? Have Biden who graduated from college in 1965 and law school in 1968 go after McCain for his Vietnam service. Brilliant!
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Oh, and I don’t like bologna -
Now Bosch — you damned commie elitist, you!
By Taxpayer
August 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
By “The Corporal” August 27, 2008 11:04 AM To Taxpayer: I was just waiting for you to say that. I’m doing the same thing candidates do - make the same speech over and over and over ! P.S. Interesting that you won’t debate the absurd unconstitutional position she took in 2000.
Psc Corporal,
You must have missed it, for I did debate every single unconstitutional position she took in 2000. I’ll even do it again just for you…there, did you catch it that time. Now, if you want to seek out unconstitutional acts to complain about, perhaps you should try the more fertile grounds that BushCo, LLC have pooped on for the last seven plus years.
By the way, you were not really waiting for me to say what I said, were you? Please tell me you were not.
By Ray
August 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
The truth hurts. This is not a racial comment, Goldie, just reality. My point is well taken. Those fine Americans are making the rest of you look bad, plain and simple, and most do not deserve it. Why do you defend them? Just because of their race? Do you agree with most of the things that Ludicrous (sp) and all of these gangsters spew out to the youth of this country, especially the youth of black America? Do you want your kids, if you have any, emulating what these people say and do? I doubt it. Many in the white community are equally turned off by white radicals, but outside of their own circle, most decry their behavior. Your defense of these thugs by accusing others of posting “racial comments” about their lifestyle says a lot.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
bosch,11:15
You are not very good at condescension. Your natural ignorance is better. Just play the dumb part and you will get along all right.
But do skip the “hot stuff” personality you try to present so often. It makes you look like an old geezer trying to be young. Doesn’t work. Too phony.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
go after McCain for his Vietnam service.
RWanker — once again, it’s McBush who keeps making his years in Viet Nam an issue. He never fails to bring up the issue, so we don’t have to “go after” him when he keeps sticking his foot in his own mouth.
Great ole demented candidate you’ve got there, RWanker.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Your defense of these thugs by accusing others
Ray @ 11:31 — please let me know when I’ve ever defended your so-called “thugs”… all I did was repeat Bill Orally’s comments about Harlem and you automatically go into your own racial bias defensiveness.
You should see a doctor soon ‘cuz you seem like you’re pretty eaten up with something — I’m sure your family still loves living with you and your opinions, though.
LMAO!
By ghost rider
August 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
By Goldie,
Goldie in answer to your question it was “Dancing Queen” by ABBA recorded 1975!
John McCain was released in 1973.
By RW-(the original)
August 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
I’m sure that McBushie would welcome having someone who graduated from law school in 1968 and didn’t serve in the military start making wisecracks about him having been a POW. The funny thing is that Joe is just enough of a loose cannon to do it.
I guess old Joe had other priorities back then. Didn’t you used to hate that?
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
Goldie Star,11:34
Yes, indeed, let us forget that McCain was a POW. And let us forget WWII, Korea and Viet Nam….yes yes..let us forget all freedom fighters who disgracefully (according to you) fought for our country. And wipe Iraq and Afghanistan off the map!! Raise the white flags!! Goldie is HERE!! Cut’n’run while you can…..bye, Goldie. run….
By Common Sense
August 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Dusty do you work as hard as both Senator’s then please stop making dumb comments!
I cannot believe how many dummies believe that someone is qualified to be a president of the United States.
He scares me! You have McClain threaten Russia like we can go to war with them, Now how many of you want to defend Georgia and send our troops against Russia.
I think they have tanks and air planes just like we do, that alone is enough for me not to vote for Mr. McClain we cannot sacrafice our youth for selfish reason ( Ah la Mr. Bush)
Time to read Dusty and let wisdom embrace you!
This adminstration has shown all the signs of control! Do you not see this?
By Bosch
August 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
When it comes to lunch meat, I am very elitist and snobby - Italian lunch meats are my favorite - none of that Oscar Meyer crap!
Dusty,
I’m not condescending to you, I am generally worried about you. Really.
Also, you may want to seek some counseling about the projection issues you have with me.
[Sigh] I really don’t know why you have to be so confrontational all the time.
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Cut’n’run while you can…
Dusty-Brains, looks like your guy Dubya is doing the cuttin-n-runnin from Iraq these days, without even considering that your demented candidate still believes that that’s only what “appeasers” do!
LMAO! Or do you need a definition of what that means, too, Dusty-Brains?
By McCain
August 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
I, er don’t know how many houses I own!
You have to understand I was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton for five years…I didn’t even have a table….
Repeat after me I was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton 500 times…Now in unison
I’m John McCain and I approve of this nonsense!
By Goldie
August 27, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Ghost rider @ 11:40 — thanks Dude! I thought it might be one of ABBA’s so-called “fine hits” from the disco days!
By @@
August 27, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Testing….testing….testing.
Hey Jay! I’ve posted numerous comments to no avail.
Am I being punished for something?
Not a problem. I’ve got errands to run.
By Midori
August 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
He got into school because of legacy, he finished at the bottom of his class, he was incompetent as a pilot, had an adulterous affair with the “Rich Jezebel” Cindy while his wife was strickened with cancer, and divorced her
and it’s ALL because he was a POW!!!
By AJC/DNC Management
August 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
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