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McCain’s instincts push him toward war

Sen. John McCain has seized on the Russian invasion of Georgia as a chance to demonstrate to the American people what kind of president he would be on foreign policy matters.

For better or worse, I think he’s succeeded. McCain has clearly been more confrontational and aggressive than the Bush White House, going so far as to announce that in the wake of the invasion, “We are all Georgians,” a statement that implies a degree of commitment that the United States is not in a position to honor.

Even more startling was McCain’s decision, as a mere candidate for president, to send personal envoys to confer with Georgia’s leadership. Such a step is the prerogative only of a president, and is an act of dangerous presumption at an extremely delicate time.

To some Americans, McCain’s rhetoric has nonetheless communicated an image of authority that they find reassuring in a president. It also confirms him as an instinctive type of leader, someone whose response to a crisis is driven more by his own character than by the specifics of a challenge.

That has produced a consistent response to a wide range of policy questions.

In 1999, when President Clinton decided to launch air attacks to stop Serbian attacks on civilians in Kosovo, most Republicans in Congress opposed military intervention. McCain was also a harsh critic of the Clinton policy, but for a very different reason: It wasn’t aggressive enough.

McCain claimed —- incorrectly, it turned out —- that bombing alone would never work. Instead, he wanted to send tens of thousands of U.S. troops to the region, ready to intervene.

“Militarily, you just go in and drive them out of Kosovo,” he said at the time. “Yes, the terrain is terrible; yes, the Serbs are tough. But … if we can’t prevail over a country the size of Ohio with 10 million people, we’ve wasted several trillion dollars in defense spending.”

In the Republican primaries of 2000, the hard-line conservative foreign policy “experts” who later pushed hardest for an invasion of Iraq did not support George W. Bush. Their candidate was McCain, because they believed he would be most likely to conduct the sort of militarily interventionist policy they advocated.

More recently, McCain’s aggressive instincts have been apparent in his policy toward Iran. There too he has been more eager than most —- including many in his own party —- to talk of military solutions to a problem that to many experts defies a military approach.

The question for the American voter, of course, is whether a candidate of such instincts is well-suited for the White House in times such as these. At rare moments in history, a military response is essential and required, as it was in World War II, and as it was in Afghanistan in the wake of Sept. 11.

But more often, the choices offered by history are more complex, requiring judgment and wisdom. Choosing confrontation and war too quickly when other options are available can prove disastrous, as the example of Iraq should have taught us.

McCain’s instinct, demonstrated time and again and most recently now in Georgia, is to cast America as a global policeman. In the next few months, American voters have to ask themselves whether they share that vision and instinct.

UPDATE: The original version of this column reported that in 1998, John McCain signed a letter drafted by the Project for a New American Century that urged President Clinton to take military action against Saddam Hussein. McCain did not, and the column has been revised to that effect. — JB

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By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this

Jay: Still stinging from the Iraq victory, are we?

It’s amazing that even with all the neocon war mongers running around, American guns remain silent.

Asked to name an example of when they took a stand against their own party to do what they felt was best for the country, O’bumbler cited ethics reform. McCain, after referencing climate change, spending, and torture, focused his answer on his opposition as a freshman congressman to President Reagan’s decision to send U.S. Marines to Lebanon in 1983.

The example subtly did two things. It pushed back against the portrait of McCain as a warmonger who supports military intervention in all circumstances and it reinforced the fact that he has been involved in America’s national security debates for decades.

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Look at the AJC/DNC speculating on behalf of the enemy:

McCain opposes abortion rights, but he riled some conservatives last week when he suggested his running mate could —- like Ridge —- support abortion rights.-Urinal/PMS

Yeah and the dimwitocrats could break the mold and pick somebody with a brain but I doubt it.

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DEKALB COUNTY- Less water usage means less revenue, Officials are expecting to have about $10 million less than projected, and will have to cut costs or raise rates.

Gosh, I wonder what they will do, hmmmmm?

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has asked her leadership team for input into how to tamp down the talk and trouble her party is having with both the energy issue and the Fairness Doctrine, both of which are energizing the conservative base leading into the fall election cycle.

Now we know which two issues are clear winners.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this

Many Pakistanis blame the rising militant violence in their country on Musharraf’s alliance with the U.S.

Most liberals do too.

But, now that Mush is stepping down, we get to see the blame America crowd being exposed as whiny little cry babies, because there ain’t no way that al Qaeda is going to “step down.”

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 7:09 AM | Link to this

Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) campaign manager Rick Davis asked Sunday for a meeting with Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, to protest what the campaign called signs that the network is “abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race.”

In this case, the campaign is objecting to a statement by NBC’s Andrea Mitchell on “Meet the Press” questioning whether McCain might have gotten a heads-up on some of the questions that were asked of Sen. Magnificent Moron (Dimwitocrat-Ill.)

Why are we whining? Do we really think it will make a difference?

Do you not think Americans are smart enough to figure out what hacks the pinko media are?

Would you like to impose the “Fairness” Doctrine?

Geez.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Congrats to McCain on his perfomance Sturday night.

In front of an audience, 60% favorable to him, he managed to retell that cross in the dust story a different way again(when Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, recounted that experience in a Soviet gulag in The Gulag Archipelago, I don’t think he thought McCain would playgerise it) and he tells us families making 5,000,000.00 and up are rich.

All this and he wasn’t really in the “cone of silence”!

While I certainly respect McCain’s service, as I do my father’s and my husband’s, that service is not in and of itself a qualification for President. I believe the American people need to learn the difference between warrior and warmonger, and then to realize that either personality is not the best choice for President.

Saturday night, Obama showed himself for what he is. Honest, wise and thoughtful. That ladies and gentlemen is what we need to be electing.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

McCain probably has a palm full of one-worders just waiting to be used in order to keep his war-mongering base all fired up until they vote on November 8. What can I say. If “Drill, Drill, Drill” works for these clowns, anything will. Now, repeat after me and use your cheat sheet as much as necessary, you Republican voters out there, “Guns, Guns, Guns”, “Wars, Wars, Wars” , “Bills, Bills, Bills”. Oops, those were the chants for the last two elections, weren’t they.

By hillbilly ragger

August 18, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

So Jay, if it’s “fool me twice, shame on me,” what will it be if we’re fooled thrice and a neocon thug wrangles yet another consecutive presidential election?

My version would be “fool us thrice, we’re well and truly screwed,” but perhaps someone could come up with something shorter.

To RW, from yesterday’s thread (but basically on-topic for this one) who not only claims that the “cross in the dirt” story is a common Christian experience but that I’m somehow mentally deficient for citing the Kossak who’d brought it to my attention: Is Atlantic Monthly columnist Andrew Sullivan’s skepticism about McCain’s account equally kooky?

Sullivan has a simple question: Since McCain never mentioned the story in his first autobiographical account of his POW hardships, when did he first mention it?

(By the way, RW, this is the first time I have ever posted a link to Daily Kos in these here comments threads. How many days can you manage without giving us stuff culled from The Corner of Doughy and Pantload, TownWank, Wingnut Deli or the Moonie Times?)

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G @ 734am - “Saturday night, Obama showed himself for what he is.”

That one simple statement may in fact be the most accurate thing you personally have ever said about Hussein Obama. Unfortunately, you may find yourself at odds with his staff, advisors, and the DNC, by the time they spin his miserable performance into something they think even the moronic left can digest.

‘When does life begin’..is above his pay grade? What kind of a totally stupid casual comeback to a serious question is that? A person that cannot be forthright and truthful one on one in front of the nation really does “…show(ed) himself for what he is” , and that person we saw Saturday was a bumbling, stumbling, inarticulate tool. His puppet masters should have had the teleprompter behind Rev. Warren so they could type in their answers as the questions were asked.

America saw the real Hussein Obama alright. His slide down the slippery slope to defeat just accelerated a bit more. What are you leftist tools going to do now…nominate Hillary? Too Late!

Hahahahahahaha

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Bud

Good Morning….

You might want to note Ratzinger’s comment on when life begins. Seems the Pope and Senator Obama are not too far apart.

What you see as stumbling I see has thoughtful speech on Obama’s part.

I imagine what you see as strength in MccCain’s responses I see as more shallow knee jerk reactions.

See I managed to disagree without calling you a name….

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

I thought the “above the pay grade” reply was down to earth and that it showed humility — a trait lacking in Republican omniscient war-mongers.

By swolf4810

August 18, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

….And we all thought Bush was a “bull in a China shop” on foriegn policy. The thought of McCain is grounds for real fear.

By Copyleft

August 18, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

It’s common to mistake stupidity for strength, and stubbornness for courage.

It remains to be seen if America is willing to be fooled again with simpleminded “solutions” that only make things worse.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

I don’t give a crap about Ratzinger, Ratzinger’s comment, et al. What I care about is Obama’s comment that it ‘was above his pay grade.”

Go ahead, try to spin it. Yeah, it may have come off to you as thoughtful speech, that’s why you are a lib; always redefining or trying to rewrite the stupidity that has previously come out of your mouths. What it came off as to the rest of America is a stumbling, cavalier, off-the-cuff answer to a question he really did not want to answer.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Bud,

A bit early for such open hostility don’t ya’ think?

You may not, as you put it “give a crap”. about the Pope….but that puts you in the minority.

There is no need to spin what all of America saw, dear sir. You intrepret it your way, from your partisan point of view, as I interpret it from my partican point of view.

Let me point out that it is not the liberals who redefine words.

Case in point - amnesty.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

McCain’s willingness without regard for “shock and awe” type military intervention is one of the main reasons I will not vote for him. It is the same type “testosterone-ish, mine is bigger than yours” school play ground mentality that has sent many young men and women to a premature grave, and has bankrupted this country with Iraq - and in my opinion, demonstrates his disregard for the well-being of our country.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

Very well said.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Good morning Mrs. G.!

I wish for once, a candidate, when asked the question, “when does life begin” say, “I don’t know, I’m not God. Ask the Pope for his phone number, and call him.”

By ButtHead

August 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Obama sounded like the high school idiot, now he is saying McCain cheated. LOL typical high school play ground attitude, just what we need in the White House. RLOL loser… hahahaha

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

Like I said, this is going to get Lord High Dimwit hammered:

So let’s see. By the time he was nominated, Clarence Thomas had worked in the Missouri Attorney General’s office, served as an Assistant Secretary of Education, run the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and sat for a year on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the nation’s second most prominent court. Since his “elevation” to the High Court in 1991, he has also shown himself to be a principled and scholarly jurist.

Meanwhile, as he bids to be America’s Commander in Chief, Mr. Obama isn’t yet four years out of the Illinois state Senate, has never held a hearing of note of his U.S. Senate subcommittee, and had an unremarkable record as both a “community organizer” and law school lecturer. Justice Thomas’s judicial credentials compare favorably to Mr. Obama’s Presidential résumé by any measure. And when it comes to rising from difficult circumstances, Justice Thomas’s rural Georgian upbringing makes Mr. Obama’s story look like easy street.

“Pay grade” is easy enough on it’s own for anyone to understand, instead of confronting challenges that he might face, Mr. Dimwit would rather place a limit on his abilities.

So go ahead, ask him about “community organization” or maybe shirking his responsibilities in the State Senate, he can handle those questions.

But this attack on Thomas, this is going to be dissected and displayed in ways you can only imagine.

Why not just offer praise for a fellow traveler, especially considering that Thomas is far more qualified for his position then Thee Magnificent One is for president?

This attack says far more about O’bumbler than it does Thomas.

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Jay:

Two points this morning:

1) You did a good balanced job on this article. Neither candidate is my favorite but the world “is” a dangerous place. When there are bullies out there do you want the football team or the women’s syncronized swimming team walking you home from school? 2) When asked “when does life begin”, Obama made the most profound statement he has ever made when he said, “it’s above my paygrade”. His whole run for President is “above his paygrade.” !

Obama recently stated that the question of “when life begins” would be above his paygrade as president so since there are three equal branches of government that also makes it above the paygrades of Congress and the Supreme Court.

By K_Chub

August 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

I love listening to Republicans talk about how Obama sounded like an idiot - you morons voted for the dumbest President in the history of this country…TWICE!!! Bush is an idiot frat boy who can’t even put together a coherent sentence.

Republicans have no idea what they are up against and they really have no idea how to attack Barrack. Some attack him for being to much of an elitist or too much of an academic and some attack him for being stupid. Get your attack strategy straight morons - you’re confusing the do as your told rank and file Republican base.

By Peter

August 18, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Vote McCain……Yes we can start WW III…..

By Perry Treadwell

August 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

McCain is simply the American warrior that the first Englishmen carried over from imperialist Briton when they stepped ashore at Plymouth. Once we had killed off most of the Native Americans, made the Louisiana Purchase, annexed Texas, enticed Mexico into a war, we stretched farther afield to Hawaii, Cuba and the Philippines wiping out independence movements in the last two counties. Over the last century the U.S. has used force or the threat of force in Columbia, Panama, Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Puerto Rico. As we have sadly learned, the “first casualty” of war is truth. If you question my history, I suggest that you read Stephen Kinzer’s OVERTHROW: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq. With McCain we would get at least four more years of Cheney’s imperialism particularly for oil.

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

To Peter:

or …… Vote McCain…..Yes we can stop WW III ….

By T

August 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m not a numbers person, so maybe someone can help me with this. Mcworse wants to send troops to Georgia, Iran, and beef up our numbers in Afganistan. Ok. If we have so won the war in Iraq for the second time, why are not all of our troops withdrawing? So, those troops stay. Where do we get all of these troops to wage war with in all of these other countries? HHMMM. Not a numbers person. Anyone? Draft maybe? He is a draft era soldier.

Anywho, Obama doesn’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling. However, he doesn’t belive in taking away my personal civil rights either.

If the voters so feel that we need to attack everyone then I guess I’ll go where ever the Commander and Chief sees fit.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

The Corporal

Count me in with Peter

Vote McCain start WWIII

By Paul

August 18, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

“… a statement that implies a degree of commitment that the United States is not in a position to honor.” Strikes me as not distinguishing between moral support and material support. McCain’s remarks were a brief history of Georgia. A recap of Russian ambitions from two years ago, the Russian invasion with accompanying civilian casualties. Georgia asked for a cease fire, Russians continued their expansion. Russians announced they want regime change. McCain said the Russian message was directed at those who aspire to emulate the political freedoms of the West. McCain said he had just spoken with the Georgian Pres and told him the prayers of the American people were with them as their country struggled to maintain its independence. Pres Saakshvili asked Mccain to express his thanks to America for their support. McCain’s answer was “today we are all Georgians.” Envoys – I agree – and long have – that the Executive should establish foreign policy without a “shadow government” policy – be it aspiring political candidates or the opposition leadership in the House or Senate. What support had McCain expressed to Pres Saakshvili? Emotional support. Spiritual support. Material? No. Offers of direct action? No. Just the “we all aspire to freedom” message.

“It also confirms him as an instinctive type of leader” – this is what McCain supporters would call not instinctive, but the result of years of “experience” – where one looks at a situation and doesn’t pronounce an Obama moment of “both sides should exercise restraint.” Most Americans, I think, if asked, would not respond to the Russian invasion of Hungary or Czechoslovakia with an appeal to the Hungarians or Czechoslovakians to “exercise restraint.”

Re: 1998 decision to remove Saddam: well, Pres Clinton signed the Iraq liberation act into law on Oct 31, 1998 to remove Hussein from power. So obviously Pres Clinton agreed with Sen McCain.

Re: Kosovo – are you really taking the position that an air campaign can win a war? Kosovo was not a classic “war” – it was an internal matter. Did the Serbs stop? Yes. Were NATO troops on the ground? Yes. Did the bombing campaign do what we said it did? Hint: you may want to research some Dept of Defense post-conflict assessments of actual targets destroyed. It’s not what most people think –

Iran – well, Hillary was willing to nuke Iran. Obama said he’d do whatever was necessary (which excludes nothing) so Luckovich’s cartoon today could have substituted Obama for McCain saying “I just nuked Iran.”

Anyhow, column strikes me as an effort to portray McCain as a trigger-happy military interventionist. I think it’s a bit of an overstatement. However, Obama has not done enough to reassure middle America that he’s not a moral relativist, that he can see some situations in terms of “aggressor and victim” – in spite of his statements match his then-party rival in assert a willingness to use nukes against a country that… never attacked us.

BTW – Hillary said nuke’em. Obama didn’t say explicitly, but take his comments, along with his speech at AIPAC, deserve clarification:

“The Iranian regime supports violent extremists and challenges us across the region. It pursues a nuclear capability that could spark a dangerous arms race and raise the prospect of a transfer of nuclear know-how to terrorists. Its president denies the Holocaust and threatens to wipe Israel off the map. The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.”

Well, I’d just like to know what a man so careful in his choice of words means when he says “anything.”

Because with McCain the assertion is “we know.” With Obama - we don’t.

Out for a while -

By ByteMe

August 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Jay,

To some Americans, McCain’s rhetoric has nonetheless communicated an image of authority that they find reassuring in a president.

Are you calling Wooten out? This seems like a direct response to his Sunday column.

And, Corporal @9:14 AM:

Obama recently stated that the question of “when life begins” would be above his paygrade as president so since there are three equal branches of government that also makes it above the paygrades of Congress and the Supreme Court.

Yes, we non-authoritarian types would prefer ALL lawmakers to get out of the way of this question and leave it to the mother and father (and Father) to figure out.

By Peter

August 18, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Vote Republican they “WANT” WW III……..so they can continue to Bilk the American Treasury with the “NO BID Contracts”…… they LOVE to give out !

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Well, Im not to scared of Bullies in closet,the world has always been a dangerous place, But if I did feel the need for backup on my walk home,I think I would have to go with the tall fit black guy over a feeble old white guy

By Ray

August 18, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

What do you think the last two desert wars have been all about ? The oil supply, my friends, and nothing else. It runs our economy, gets votes if supply does not dwindle and keeps politicians in office. Democracy for Iraq? Lawrence found out differently and we have just echoed the same mistake that Lawrence made. If it were not for the oil, we wouldn’t be there, plain and simple. America will expect any president of this country, no matter what his war stance, to keep the supply intact. It is our Achilles heel and we have been backed into this corner by a do nothing Congress, despite the party and an overindulgent American public . Hell, more people get killed in Detroit every month than are lost in Iraq and we don’t seem to get too upset about that.

By Tom

August 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Ah yes. McCain and the silly Faith Forum. Predictably and as always, constantly referring/incurring to his total of 3.8 hours in combat. That taught him enormous “lessons” and made him a great leader and wisened man. Yup. And half the dumbed-down Murcuhn masses buy into that utter crap. Pitiful, just pitiful.

By Davo

August 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Hey Jay. why won’t the media discuss the fact that it was Georgia that began the aggression with Russia by invading South Osetia? The neocon backed Georgians got more than they asked for and now the press is making it out that they are the victims. Both McSame and Obama are finger wagging to the Russians…what a joke! What are they gonna do? Bush can’t be bothered ‘cause even though he’s still POTUS he needs another vacation in Texas-typical of his’leadership’. If we go to war with Russia over these lies will I be asked to go shopping again?

By Hmmmmm

August 18, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Bookman, You are a TOTAL idiot. My only wish is that YOU and all your winer friends from the left leave this country at once.

By getalife "whiners"

August 18, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Russia got the oil and nobody can force them to give it up. They showed w how it is done.

Anyhoo, somebody finally told Obama to stop spewing like Kerry and start fighting like Clinton.

By RealityKing

August 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Beginning on April 6, 1994, and for the next hundred days, 800,000 Rwandan Tutsis were massacred by Hutu using clubs and machetes, 10,000 killed each day.

Clinton, and Obama’s liberal instincts gave lips service to genecide in far off places like Rwanda, Somalia and yes, even most of the Kosovo conflict.

While McCain’s instincts where to use America’s ideals and power to achieve peace.., as in Iraq.

Which is the worse choice? That’s the key to this years election..

By Peter

August 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

By Hmmmmm

August 18, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Bookman, You are a TOTAL idiot. My only wish is that YOU and all your winer friends from the left leave this country at once.

Here is a GUY who would give away ALL of America’s Money………Typical Republican.

By slap happy

August 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

My friends I am a war hero…war hero…war hero!

My friends that makes me an ideal candidate with all of the experience I possess.

Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham who are an integral part of my administration…uh, I mean, will be, are ready to travel wherever they’re needed when we do the ol “shock and awe”.

Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia…Maybe even China!

My friends if your of suitable age 14-75 we may need to call on you to assist in our efforts to bring democracy to the world.

This will not happen with Obama as president .. he lacks the war hero, war hero, war hero..status.

My friends it’s up to you!

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

To Ms. Godzilla:

Don’t forget “Wilber Milktoast” Neville Chamberlain allowed WWII to start. You can’t appease evil all the time. At some point you make a stand.

“When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can.” Anonymous

To Byteme:

No. I say leave it to God and He says it begins BEFORE conception ……. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”

If you leave it to just the mother (and you said father) they might decide a few hours, days or weeks after birth is o.k. Happens all the time.

By Pat

August 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Tom, While McCain may have only had 3.8 hours of combat (your numbers, I have no exact record), how many did Obama serve? How about zero? Despite his combat term, McCain served years in the military. Obama only needed 143 days as a senator before running for president. Obama, despite his rock star status, has neither the experience nor the desire to be Commander in Chief. http://www.cafepress.com/NObamaforPres http://www.cafepress.com/DefiningChange

By mickeymouse

August 18, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

So,there you have it ,ladies and gentleman.The American voter splitting hairs,trying to decide which corporate sponsored politrickster to elect!Needless to say,its the passive voters that are responsible for the corrupt leaders,as they walk hand in hand.For us non-voters…you have the right to criticize,as you have never given your consent to these false rulers of the World,nor played their stacked-deck card game!I know your interest,like mine is active resistance,overthrow and replace the two-headed snake!So if you feel the urge to do something constructive,but feel compelled to vote,make it the Green Party!…Real Change indeed!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Yes, Corporal, sometimes you have to fight.

But always you must have the wisdom and judgement to make that choice.

McCain’s judgement continues to be flawed.

By buster brown

August 18, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

By “The Corporal”

Corporal … you are talking above your pay grade here!

Chamberlain never “allowed world war II to start”

Germany attacked Poland before Chamberlain annexed Czechoslovakia…

It’s a matter of history .. look it up instead of making it up!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Pat

Is military service a requirement for running for President?

Nope.

McCain’s rock star status right here.

By ByteMe

August 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Corporal @10:25:

No. I say leave it to God and He says it begins BEFORE conception ……. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”

So, based on my reading of that, when the thought hits you about having sex, that’s when God “knows” the future baby and that would be when life begins. Which seems reasonable for an all-powerful God to actually be able to know these things in advance. I would expect nothing less from “all-powerful”.

So… does not having sex constitute genocide? Do condoms violate God’s will since you might be preventing what God wanted? And how are you so sure that God didn’t intend for you to wear the condom in the first place? Or that God doesn’t really want you to kill the fetus before it becomes the next Hitler? How do you KNOW?

Does your reading of the Bible constitute what you would want encoded in laws? I’m just curious how some writings from 2000+ years ago works well for determining laws in the 21st century? How about the scripture that says it’s an abomination to wear clothes made of multiple types of fibers? Why would you want a law banning wool-cotton sweaters?? It’s all or nothing, baby. Can’t cherry pick the ones you want if you say it’s inerrant.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

How about some “snark du jour”?

*”The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said. *

**Tell that to McCain’s ex-wife”

By B

August 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Obama tries to answer every question so that it can be interpreted many different ways so as to not offend anyone. He wouldn’t have appointed Clarence Thomas because of inexperience, hmm…….

By Original Rick

August 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

According the the NYT, Rick Warren expressed surprise when told that McCain was not the the building, much in the “cone of silence,” during Obama’s part of the evening.

McCain’s staffers have verified the he was in a motorcade during Obama’s conversation, but they deny McCain heard anything.

That accounts for McCain’s very quick and simplistic answers.

Again, people, go to FactCheck.org, for unbiased facts, no opinions.

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

In all the years of service to his country its hard to find any accomplishments by McCain not linked to some sort of corruption or scandel

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Byte Me and Corporal,

And don’t forget the miscarriages that happen - since God causes them, he is, in fact, quite the abortionist.

By Mike

August 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Like all liberal pundits, Bookman has a selective memory regarding the posture of Democrats prior to the war.

On October 9, 1998 a large number of Democrats sent their own letter to Clinton exrpressing their concern about Iraq’s WMD programs and requested that he attack Iraq:

[We are skeptical, however, that Saddam Hussein will take heed of this message even though it is from a unanimous Security Council. Moreover, we are deeply concerned that without the intrusive inspections and monitoring by UNSCOM and the IAEA, Iraq will be able, over time, to reconstitute its weapons of mass destruction programs.

In light of these developments, we urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.

Sincerely,

Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Frank R. Lautenberg, Dick Lugar, Kit Bond, Jon Kyl, Chris Dodd, John McCain, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Alfonse D’Amato, Bob Kerrey, Pete V. Domenici, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Mikulski.](http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/30234/view?viewtype)

I won’t bother asking Bookman and the rest of the Bush-hating crowd if the above folks are liars. However, I will ask if the above statements mean that their instincts also push them toward war.

Or is this another case where one set of standards are applied to liberals and another to conservatives?

By Paul

August 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Mr. Bookman’s column makes the point - inadvertently, I think - that brings pause to many -

He began his case of what Sen McCain’s foreign policy as Pres would be like by opening with McCain’s record from ten years ago. Then an example from his record of nine years ago. Then eight.

The reason he can’t make a similar case for Sen Obama is because…

By Peter

August 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Getting shot down……makes a great President……..

He will make a wonderfully corrupt President along the same lines as Bush and Cheney.

Vote for more Corruption go Republican’s !

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

“War, War, War” and “Drill, Drill, Drill” are the sort of chants that I can anticipate coming from a Republican but “Inception, Inception, Inception”! Give me a break. Far too many syllables for a Republican.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Umm, I know you libs are desperate this morning to distract attention away from Lord High Dimwit, but maybe we should all take time to consider this little fact of life:

Because of O’bumbler’s floundering and babbling, McBushie got asked more questions than Oblahma did.

How come he answered those questions just as crisp and sharp as he did the ones that O’dimwit got and he supposedly knew in advance?

Duh.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Here’s a replay from last night….

McCain answered the education question before it was asked…..how did he know the question?

McCain the Mindreader - Better Than Carnac

I do think he cheated….

By Paul

August 18, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Bosch 10:50

Who was the comedienne - Bea Arthur - who used to say “God’ll get you for that!”?

Just a bit on this entire “when does life begin” thing -

First, consider the forum. McCain has had a record that has been pretty consistent in his views on abortion. So when he was asked the question he could give a ringing, soundbite answer. He knew his audience, his record, and he used it to his advantage.

I’ve always thought Obama a thoughtful person. But, there is a time for thoughtfulness - in formulating a response - and a time for thoughtfulness before entering a forum where such a question was forseeable. If he couldn’t see this one coming then I have great pause about the thought of his meeting with our adversaries.

Anyhow, this was not the time for a “hmmm, let me ruminate on this” pose. It was a time to say “No one can say for certain. That’s a question whose answer is based on religious beliefs. I think it’s about how one views the sanctity of life answer answer answer.

But Obama is facing another difficult situation. He’s being painted as the Senator who’s never voted against an abortion bill, more liberal than, gasp, Pelosi. That was a good place to counter that attack.

He didn’t.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Paul,

So what? Go ahead and write it - Obama hasn’t been a Senator that long.

As I’ve said before, that’s one of the reasons I like him. Lack of experience? Very, very lame excuse. As far as being the POTUS, NO ONE has the experience unless you are running for a second term.

And it’s extremely hypocritical for those who voted for Reagan and Bush to scream that about Obama. It’s like those who cherry-pick the Bible - very selective memory.

Obama seems the type to me, unlike Bushy-boy and McCain, that will make informed decisions which, throughout history, that has been what good leaders do.

Sarah Connor tonight? On Fox?

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Senator McCain, Are you really suggesting that America should now take on Russia in a “put up dukes” confrontation?

And just where are you suggesting we obtain more troops, a draft perhaps?

Funny how when Obama had speaking engagements in Europe you thought he was out of line. McCain sends his advisors to talk with Georgian leaders when he is not ACTUALLY the president and that is just fine and dandy. He is a decider just like the now lame Bush. One little problem there Jim, he is not our president yet. But boy have we seen something to be wary of, even more of a cowboy wanna be than the Shrub. Yipe-I-O-Caya and send in the cavalry. I hope you have sons and I hope they have to fight in the wars you love to start.

And as to showing Russia they can not just decide to invade a sovereign foreign country with out international approval, HM, didn’t Bush do that in Iraq? But that is OK because we are the self proclaimed “good Guys. And now we are occupying Iraq, American style.
But instead of wrecking oil pipelines we are making sure they are up and running, after all, was that not the whole reason to being there?

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Of course McCain cheated he is a republican after all

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I think you’re right to an extent about Obama - I think the whole question is absurd beyond measure [see my 9:01].

@10:50 - can you argue to the contrary? That post and line of thinking is simply to show the absurdity and double-sidedness of the topic.

None of us are God, so therefore we shouldn’t be trying to define what God is, or be so bold and arrogant as to try and do his* bidding.

*I personally don’t think of “God” as a human with gender qualities.

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

To Buster Brown:

So Chamberlain annexed another country. That’s interesting. Have you been drinking already this morning ?

His appeasement allowed Hitler the room he needed. If you haven’t learned that …………..

To ByteMe, et al:

Again, you are arguing with the paperboy. Take it up with the editor now or later when you have to. God also believes the “murder” of an innoncent adult is wrong. We base our laws on that.

To Ms. Godzilla:

McCain is not perfect but he is a far cry better that the totally inexperienced Obama who believes major decisions are “above his pay grade”.

By ButtHead

August 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

A loser will always blame the winner, point proven. LOL. MrsGodzilla, the HuffingtonPuss.com is looking for you, and your welfare check from Obama is here.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

buster brown 10:36

Germany completed it’s annex of Czechoslovakia in March 1939.

Germany invaded Poland (recognized as the start of WWII) on Sep 1, 1939.

Bosch 10:50

Who was the comedienne - Bea Arthur - who used to say “God’ll get you for that!”?

Just a bit on this entire “when does life begin” thing -

First, consider the forum. McCain has had a record that has been pretty consistent in his views on abortion. So when he was asked the question he could give a ringing, soundbite answer. He knew his audience, his record, and he used it to his advantage.

I’ve always thought Obama a thoughtful person. But, there is a time for thoughtfulness - in formulating a response - and a time for thoughtfulness before entering a forum where such a question was forseeable. If he couldn’t see this one coming then I have great pause about the thought of his meeting with our adversaries.

Anyhow, this was not the time for a “hmmm, let me ruminate on this” pose. It was a time to say “No one can say for certain. That’s a question whose answer is based on religious beliefs. I think it’s about how one views the sanctity of life answer answer answer.

But Obama is facing another difficult situation. He’s being painted as the Senator who’s never voted against an abortion bill, more liberal than, gasp, Pelosi. That was a good place to counter that attack.

He didn’t.

Mrs. Godzilla 11:04

Special interest groups tend to ask the same questions over and over and make the same points over and over and over and over (kinda like here?). So to say McCain couldn’t see a question coming while Obama not seeing a question coming (when does life begin?) is not is, I think, cheating, but better advance preparation and a consideration of the audience.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

FrankLeeDarling

That clip just blows my mind.

I was really ready to give McCain the benefit of the doubt, but big as all get out he cheated.

By buster brown

August 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

By “The Corporal

CORPORAL ..

Is this not annexing?

In trying to maintain peaceful relations with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini through a policy of appeasement, Chamberlain engineered the Munich Pact, which gave Hitler the Sudeten (an area of Czechoslovakia.) to Germany.

By the way what was the room Hitler needed Corporal?

By Peadawg

August 18, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

FrankLeeDarling “Of course McCain cheated, he’s a republican”

correction:

“Of course McCain cheated, he’s a politician” Your boy Obama isn’t a saint either.

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Mrs.G that clip tells it all,cheater cheater cheater on his wife on debates whatever it takes. better watch these guys come november

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Paul.

I can’t agree with you….I think McCain cheated.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bosch 11:10

I wish somebody would write it. Frankly, I’m not off my “Look at how Reps dismissed the experience factor when Reagan was running for governor of Calif and for Pres” soap box.” I’ve yet to receive a counter to that – and I’ve posted it twice.

My other point about Obama – there’s a time to appear thoughtful, also a time to anticipate and appear decisive. One must always consider the audience and the situation and adapt one’s behavior. Exhibiting the same personality characteristics or same behavior in every situation can be a problem.

Yes, on Fox tonight. Also last night. I think they’re on a Sun-Tues or Wed schedule.

Your 11:15

That (10:50) is the one that God’ll get you for!

Again, one can have a larger discussion about behavior being congruent with a philosophy towards life. But that doesn’t make for good copy.

By Peadawg

August 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Can Obama get through 1 sentence w/out saying the word, “uh” or “um” between every word? And I thought Bush was a bad talker…..

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

Major decisions about abortion belong in the hands of an informed couple — not the all-pandering Republicans. If Republicans are really so concerned about this issue (aside from the obvious tactic of drumming up a piece of their voter base), then why don’t they prove it by actually accomplishing something such as what Obama suggested in the interview. It’s not like they have not had plenty of years to work on it. After all, it only took them (taking the Republicans at their “word”) about five years to succeed with the “goals” in Iraq and that was surely a much tougher task than figuring out when a person is a person and thus legally available for killing in wars or whatever. Well, the truth is that the Republicans will not ever willingly quit harping on the issue of abortion unless they find out after an election that their pandering on the subject for the thousandth time no longer brought in a vote. “Drill, Drill, Drill”, “Kill, Kill, Kill”, “War, War, War”. Republican chants are meant to be catchy, one-syllable repeats — year after year after year — until they no longer get them a vote.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Bosch likes Hussein Obama just because of his lack of experience? Well then, maybe he’d like his next surgical procedure administered by some kid thinking about going to medical school after he gets past 7th grade history.

Idiot.

Stupid response to cover and spin his boys lack of what it takes to be President. I think you libs (at least those of you still in possession of about half of your brain) were shocked and stunned by Hussein’s catastrophic ala carte performance Saturday night….i.e., sans teleprompter. Mrs G thinks McCain cheated because he actually could answer a question without stumbling and bumbling. That explains a lot about her swooning over The Messiah.

GOP’s GottoGo is a complete idiot, without peer. He falls back on the ‘war for oil’ garbage that has been proven over time to be a complete and total lie. He is such a fool that he actually believes the spittle and pus flowing from his mouth. He must feed at the same trough as Mrs G.

I shall take a special joy in November when Hussein is sent packing and the libs start there whining, crying, and self flagellation. I’ll just give the dimwit who calls himself GOP’s got to go his raspberry right now. Go ahead tool, and mark Saturday past as the day the liberal socialist party began its decline into the slime, and you, my friend, are the grease on the rails!

Hahahahahahaha

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Paul,

About to run out, but Obama gave as good an answer to an absurd question as any.

May not have been the best answer, but it was certainly a better answer than the canned and scripted answer McCain gave.

And I thought Obama’s answer was a good bit more thoughtful.

And on a side note: I think “God” gets more po’ed at people who try to do his bidding :-)

Later!

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Peadawg draging out that old “all politicians are corrupt because my politician is corrupt “line is truly tired and desperate.If you are really that cynical why do you even have a dog in this race.Open your eyes McCain is a bitter old fool who has been caught cheating.Is cheating ok? I guess if you are a politician(republican)its Ok?

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

Peadawg draging out that old “all politicians are corrupt because my politician is corrupt “line is truly tired and desperate.If you are really that cynical why do you even have a dog in this race.Open your eyes McCain is a bitter old fool who has been caught cheating.Is cheating ok? I guess if you are a politician(republican)its Ok?

By Midori

August 18, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Is Bud Wiser’s only purpose in life is to come on this blog and call people names?

Bud - can’t you make a resonable comment or disagree with someone without resorting to such tactics? You sure are not making your case calling others idiots. As a matter of fact, you come across as such yourself. I had to say it.

Peadawg - yes, Bush is a terrible speaker. Regardless of Obama’s “ums” and “uhs” he still runs circles around the incompetent, factually challenged Bush in his oratory. I admire a man who doesn’t need a hammer and nails in order to put a sentence together. Bush needs the hammer, nails, a bucket of glue AND a mallet. But I suppose you have to grasp onto something to paint Obama as undesirable.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Let’s see what the Pinko Post thought:

For many evangelicals, the theoretical Obama — the Obama of hope and unity — is intriguing, even appealing. But this opinion is not likely to improve upon closer inspection of his policy views. Obama is one of those rare political figures who seems to grow smaller the closer we approach him. “I want people to know me well,” said Obama at the forum. Among religious conservatives, that may not be an advantage.

Finally, McCain’s performance at the Warren forum helps change the political psychology going into the conventions. Republicans have spent the last few weeks pleasantly surprised at the closeness of the presidential race. But they have generally chalked this up to Obama’s weakness, not McCain’s strength. After Saturday night, even Republicans most skeptical of McCain must conclude: “Perhaps we aren’t doomed after all.”-Washington Post

Bwa.

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

To Buster Brown:

Hitler needed the “room” for Poland, France, Russia, Norway and several other countries. Paul answered you quite well on the timeline so I won’t take up space or waste my time further. However, I do think you should seriously consider taking a cab ride to Grady (13th floor).

P.S.

“Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society”. Aristotle

By Paul

August 18, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 11:34

I must say I did not watch the appearances or the clip. What captured my attention was the idea of anticipating the questions and the preparation. The idea of answering such questions at a forum like that just leaves me shaking my head… I know people want to “feel” like they “identify” with the candidate and that they “share” something, but really…

So in those cases I’d rather watch Terminator reruns.

Also strikes me as interesting – who do we have to thank for this “experience” game? Hillary! I think she misread the mood of the voters with that line – people wanted something different, not those with “experience.” And she lost. Yet this is the theme McCain’s on. Maybe he thinks the general electorate is different from the Democratic primary electorate. I have my doubts. But I do think what many people are looking for from Obama is reassurance – that in a tough situation he won’t shrink from a tough call to protect America’s interests. And how he answers questions can be as important as what he says.

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

I would like to pose a legitimate question. Why is it that the only news program on television to post the names and pictures of the brave young Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan The News Hour on PBS? Where is Mr. “I have big Ba!!s” Hannerty when it comes to posting names and pictures of actual heros? Or CNN for that matter? Boy would Lou Doobs have some “spaining” to do when he sees that half of the dead soldiers have Hispanic last names.

I have a lot of respect for PBS in giving those men and women the recognition they deserve, even if it is brief.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

My chant — one that these Republicans can understand — after seeing just how incompetent the Bush administration (and the Republican Party in general) is:

Abort, Abort, Abort!

I’ve had enough Republicans to last me quite a while.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

One more bit of fun before I’m out again:

Link: City defends ‘secret jail’ built for Democratic National Committee

[[The makeshift holding center, dubbed “Gitmo on the Platte” by activists,… We feel the city should be ashamed of this secret prison they’ve set up,” said Re-create ‘68 organizer Glenn Spagnuolo…. Spagnuolo said. “They got caught with this place. They told our lawyers in negotiations that this place didn’t even exist.”]]

Now, just what is the difference between the Bush Administration and the Democratic National Committee?!!?

By hillbilly ragger

August 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

GOPs got @ 12.06, those other news outlets are profit centers. PBS isn’t. There’s your answer.

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Hey Pop Top Can of cheap alcoholic intoxicant,

If YOU believe that Iraq was about anything OTHER than OIL then you are definitely aptly named. If we are so concerned about WMD’s and dictators then please explain our total lack of action on North Korea. And do not forget they actually have WMDs and have tested them. Oh right, NO OIL THERE! And maybe the backing of 50 Billion Chinese. So opening a good old American can of whoop a* might have resulted in a turn around a* whooping on us. Oh, and NO OIL, so where is the gain?

By slap happy

August 18, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

By Peadawg

August 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

You thought a few ums and ahs were worse than the Clueless George?

For a few samples you thought and un and an ah were equal to these classics?

“And they have no disregard for human life.”

“And I, unfortunately, have been to too many disasters as president.”

“I’ll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.”

Wait a minute. What did you just say? You’re predicting $4-a-gallon gas? … That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that.”

“I heard somebody say, ‘Where’s (Nelson) Mandela?’ Well, Mandela’s dead. Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas.”

I’m honored to be here with the eternal general of the United States, mi amigo Alberto Gonzales.”

“And my concern, David, is several.”

“The United States and Russia are in the midst of transformationed relationship that will yield peace and progress.”

“My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the - in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen.”

I could go on all night here, but I’ll just leave you with a few of the idiots nonsense!

By HIllbilly Deluxe

August 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

In my view we should get what’s left of Georgia into NATO as soon as possible, if there is any Georgia left to admit. We should also get the Ukraine and other former Soviet satellites into NATO as quickly as possible. Russia should also be kicked out of the G8. Of course this would require the co-operation of the other G8 members. Since Russia has a veto on the UN Security Council trying to get UN action is a waste of time.

I don’t think either candidate should be consulting with foreign leaders. Neither of them is President yet.

By Common Sense

August 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

I am missing something why do we advocate going to help Kosovo or Georgia but not any country in Africa.

What Europe can’t take care of their own, that is what McClain said about Africa take care of your own but we still want your oil.

What is in Kosovo that will serve our National interest?

Someone please tell me!

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Yeah Ragger,

The families of the dead would have to pay the going commercial rate to the Fox, CNN, MSNBC to have their dead kids and husbands acknowleged.

After all, patiotism cost money.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Okay smart guy, answer this:

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

You stupid, mindless fool. Better phone up the HuffingtonPus/POS to let them give you your answer.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Paul, perhaps you should view the clip.

Bud, your constant graciousness is gratifying.

Like this tidbit, “he actually believes the spittle and pus flowing from his mouth. He must feed at the same trough as Mrs G.”

Bud, does spittle and pus actually help your arguement any?

By D. W.

August 18, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Obama will lose the general election if he debates with John McCain. John McCain is good very at debates. He answers questions quick and to the point. Thats how he was able to come from behind and beat his rivals in the primaries. Saturday night’s forum was just a small example of whats to come. Obama got whipped really bad by John McCain at Saturday nights forum.

By D. W.

August 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Correction:

Obama will lose the general election if he debates with John McCain. John McCain is very good at debates. He answers questions quick and to the point. Thats how he was able to come from behind and beat his rivals in the primaries. Saturday night’s forum was just a small example of whats to come. Obama got whipped really bad by John McCain at Saturday nights forum.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

A former law clerk for Clarence Thomas is leading a pack of critics who say Barack Obama’s comments about the Supreme Court justice reveal the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee’s ignorance and misunderstanding of the Constitution.

Wendy E. Long, currently counsel to the The Judicial Confirmation Network, called Obama’s responses about the bench “ludicrous.” Long released a statement saying the remarks demonstrate Obama contradicts himself in his “own alleged criteria” for high court nominees.

”Obama started to say that Justice Thomas didn’t have enough ‘experience’ for the Supreme Court. In mid-sentence, when Obama realized that he himself has far less experience for the presidency than Justice Thomas had for the court in 1991, he shifted and said Justice Thomas ‘was not a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time,’” said Long.

“This is all reminiscent of (Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid’s comment several years ago that Justice Thomas was ‘an embarrassment to the court’ and that his opinions ‘were poorly written’. Reid was exposed as the ignoramus then, and the Congressional Black Caucus asked him to stop using ‘stereotypes and caricatures,’” she continued.

“Reasonable Supreme Court observers of all political stripes, who do not necessarily agree with Justice Thomas’ jurisprudence, consider his work to be scholarly and of top quality. And yet Senator Obama is, sadly, unable to acknowledge even that much about an intelligent, wonderful and kind man who broke racial barriers to rise to the very top of the legal profession,” said Helgi Walker, a former associate counsel to President Bush and former law clerk for Thomas.

“Apparently, Obama can do no better than to recycle discredited statements of Harry Reid when it comes to Justice Thomas. Like other liberal elites, Obama cannot stand it when a black man strays from the ideological plantation and refuses to implement liberal policies through the courts. But Obama will never point out any intellectual deficiencies in Justice Thomas’s work, because he can’t.

“It’s precisely because Justice Thomas has proven himself such a faithful steward of the Constitution that Barack Obama says he wouldn’t have nominated him,” said Ed Whelan, president of the Ethics and Policy Center and a former law clerk to Scalia. “If he is elected, Obama is a sure bet to appoint liberal judicial activists eager to invent farfetched constitutional ‘rights’ that entrench the left’s agenda on issues like same-sex marriage, stripping God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, child pornography, partial-birth abortion, and national security. It’s Obama who lacks the experience and judgment for the position that he seeks.”

“Even more troubling is what the Illinois Democrat’s answer betrays about his political habits of mind. Asked a question he didn’t expect at a rare unscripted event, the rookie candidate didn’t merely say he disagreed with Justice Thomas. Instead, he instinctively reverted to the leftwing cliché that the Court’s black conservative isn’t up to the job while his white conservative colleagues are,” the editorial board wrote.

Want more?

By Mr Wrestling#2

August 18, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

“Even more startling was McCain’s decision, as a mere candidate for president, to send personal envoys to confer with Georgia’s leadership. Such a step is the prerogative only of a president, and is an act of dangerous presumption at an extremely delicate time.”

Sort of like the other guy doing his rock star tour of Europe if you ask me. Be consistent Jay.

By FrankLeeDarling

August 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

DUH YOU ARE A F KING BLOWHARD

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

In this alternate universe where you moonbat(ic)s® claim that McBushie cheated by hearing some of the questions on the radio while driving to the event and was able to formulate and remember his answers as well as come up with just as crisp an answer for the questions The Dunce didn’t even get, don’t you think you’re undercutting your argument that McCain is a doddering old senile fool with Alzheimer’s?

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ragger,

As I said yesterday, if you think attacking a POW over a Christian experience is a winning strategy then by all means proceed.

I think you’ll also find it quite difficult to show me linking to any of those sites you mentioned very often, I’m not even sure who you mean on the first one. I generally link to blogs that share my point of view on an issue, but that blog entry will also have links to the source material. It seems like liberal blogs your ilk sends us to will continuously link you to other liberal blogs in one of those chain type links that scream out click here for the world’s greatest blond joke only to take you to another site that says click here for the world’s greatest blond joke.

Since McCain never mentioned the story in his first autobiographical account of his POW hardships, when did he first mention it?

Are you implying that Saturday was the first time McCain related that cross story?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon to you too, Frankie.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

McCain claims he didn’t himself directly listen to the Obama (in order to find out the questions in advance), McCain isn’t claiming yet that no one briefed him or in any way told him what Obama was asked.

By Midori

August 18, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Clarence Thomas is a joke and an abomination.

Many of us in the black community were outraged that he replaced a wonderful man like Thurgood Marshall.

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

“In the Pipeline”

“In the Pipeline”

“In the Pipeline”

“In the Pipeline”

Pop top boy

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

CNN gets Rick Warren of Saddleback Church to admit that John McCain could have heard the questions prior to coming to the stage

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Agreed Midori,

Thank god I don’t drink Coke.

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

Nobody that actually has a world view and a belief system would have had any trouble with those questions Saturday unless they didn’t want you to know that belief system. The Dunce either proved he has no belief system or world view or he’s hiding it. McCain’s answers are irrelevant to how horribly your guy performed.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

Oh, Midori, aren’t you the one that constantly refers to McCain as a stupid pig, or just a simple pig?

Shut your yap about calling out others for how they address you when your own gutter mouth gets in your way.

Idiot.

And to GOP, haven’t heard your answer yet to:

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

Where’s the oil?

I didn’t think so.

And one more thing to you lib fool rats under the spell of your Pied Piper? Where in your miserable lives did you lose the ability to assess someone independently of your political persuasion? If you could project yourself to be as neutral as possible, then look at Hussein Obama’s performance Saturday night, could you not do anything but rate him as poor at best, pitiable and unworthy of your vote at worst? Can you not think for yourselves and see the man beyond your political partisanship, see him for the fraud that he is?

Of course not. You cannot. It is what makes you a ‘liberal’, whatever the hell that is. I’ll tell you what at least part of it is; it is the inability to see the world as it really is, as opposed to what you think it should be. It is the elitism that drives libs to say to the poor, the hungry, the disadvantaged “we’ll take care of you…we will make your decisions for you because we know better than you what you need and want.” It is THAT, the smarmy self assuredness and smug sense of superiority that gets under people’s skins. It is why your liberal elitists have been rejected by America time and time again.

And you don’t know why. Why is your superior intellect rejected? Why is your way of life, alarmingly like Southern Baptists, I might add (do as I say do, not as I do) continually passed on?

Because nobody but the delusional few believe it.

You.

And your ‘champion’ is about to be handed his hat again this November. And there’s nothing you can say or do about it, because it already is a sure thing. Just like JFK did to a sweaty, nervous Nixon in 1960, your boy Obama pretty well sealed the deal, coming off pretty much the same as Tricky Dick. He looked baaaad, real baaaaad.

You know what they say about first impressions, and this was Hussein’s essentially first impression on live TV to the America he wants to govern. He’s history.

It was not a pretty sight.

By Ray

August 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Just why does Thomas elicit this outrage? Could it be that he is not “black enough”, or that he doesn’t go along with the Selma bridge crowd in lockstep with Je$$ie, Al, Maxine and Cynthia? Thomas is not a joke or an abomination. He is a credit to his race, his profession and to America. A lot of you in the “black community” are outraged by someone who has principles, is honest and has integrity and tells it like it is. Can you think of anyone else who is black that “outrages” you? Maybe Cosby, Sowell, JC Watts, Larry Elder, Juan Williams, John McWhorter or Shelby Steele. All are upstanding Americans. You ought to read some of their books. Even you might be enlightened.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

“In the Pipeline”? What pipeline? Exxon Mobile? BP?

Idiot. Can’t even do a little research and answer a simple question. Ignorant tools like you must love being used by your puppet masters at DNC.

Where do you like your strings tied?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

RW

Nice attempt…..but no goal dude.

Obama (Harvard Law magna cum Laude)…etc, made his positions clear.

McCain (894 out of 899 in his grad class) apparently cheated.

By GOPs got to go

August 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Pop Top Boy,

It is a good thing you swill that cheap stuff all day to clear all that pus and froth coming out of that pie hole of yours.

By Midori

August 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Bud,

I’m trying my very best to be civil, and was hoping that I could ask the same of you. Enough is enough already.

All of that hate and anger - why do you let it possess you so? Why let it poison your soul?

Can’t you find a “safe” release? Go for a walk, hit a few balls in the park, go swimming. Just a few suggestions.

“shut my yap”? oh dear……

Thanks for the advice, but I think I will abstain.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Did I read someone asking where’s the oil in Iraq. Wow.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Clarence Thomas’ nomination to the Supreme Court was considered necessary by the conservatives. They were willing to break any rules to achieve that end. David Brock’s first best-seller, The Real Anita Hill, was a slanderous account about the life and career of the major witness against Clarence Thomas. The right-wing loved it and David was instantly a big hero. Years later David found evidence that Clarence Thomas was a habitual viewer of pornographic videos and films. He concluded that Anita Hill was telling the truth about Thomas, that he had unfairly slandered Anita Hill, and that Clarence Thomas’ confirmation as a Supreme Court judge was a big mistake. This conclusion would prove to be correct in the case of Bush Vs. Gore. Vince Bugliosi, the author of “The Betrayal Of America”, has asserted that Thomas and his four cohorts are criminals for the way they decided that case

READ MORE HERE

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Midori

I know how you feel!

I admit that I want to speak to them the same way they speak to me….but it’s not the best way or the right way to win this battle. I have done it in the past and am sorry for it.

Every time they take the low road in the name of patriotism, I get ill.

By Joe

August 18, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

As usual jay puts his ideology before what’s best for the country. Like most libs I guess. It was surly telling the stark difference between Obama and McCain with the Georgia/Russia conflict. The glaring difference was that Obama had no clue what he was talking about. He’s probably never heard of the tiny country of Georgia. McCain it just so happens has actually vacationed there and knows it’s President well. Again a glaring example of why we need experience in the Whitehouse but also a glaring example of why libs want to see our great country fail….

By Midori

August 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

* A lot of you in the “black community” are outraged by someone who has principles, is honest and has integrity and tells it like it is.**

I don’t know who you’re talking about — but that description sure doesn’t fit Clarence Thomas.

Thomas got where he is via affirmation action, then worked to dismantle it.

This occurred while he was head of EOC.

Thomas is the one who treats his fellow brethen with disgust and scorn — not the other way around. I got that from several passages in his “book”. You know, that crap he wrote in which he angrily lashed out at people who teased him as a child because he was dark skinned and ugly?

You ever notice how he never has anything to say by way of an opinion when the court makes a decision? All he does is follow behind Scalia like a lost puppy. What would he do without Scalia? Better watch those two.

As for those other gentlemen you rammed into your rant, I think I’ll pass. The only one I respect out of the bunch is Bill Cosby.

Perhaps you should take your own advice, Ray? I don’t need a lecture from you on how to identify scum. Your credibility is sorely lacking.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 12:29

Okay, I watched the clip. McCain was having fun, the audience laughed. I took it as saying “I agree with you, I agree with you, I agree with you” then tossing in a line that’s an applause getter.

Just a bit of playing to the audience is all –

AJC/DNC Management 12:37

Kinda sounds like Justice Thomas had about as much “experience” as that other relatively inexperienced jurist – wait, Chief Justice – Earl Warren. I mean, how could anyone with such a lack of experience have ever given us Brown v Board of Education?!!?

Mrs. Godzilla 1:08

Many people would think graduating last from one of the service academies is still a whole lot better than graduating in the top ten percent of many other universities –

… and you really don’t want to go down the road of graduate ranking relative to lifetime accomplishments, do you?

Think “Winston Churchill”

By dirty harry

August 18, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

JOE..

Yes, McCain should know more about Georgia..Since his chief foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemann has/is a lobbyist for Georgia making hundreds of thousands of dollars!

By Midori

August 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G - don’t know how long this “experiment” will last, but I’m going to try to hang in there :)

As JC Watts’ father publicly proclaimed: a black man voting for the GOP is like chickens voting for Col. Sanders. :)

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

If the years under the Bush administration are what Republicans refer to as a success, then no one should want to find out what their definition of failure is. The only jobs the Bush administration is capable of offering are government jobs and most of those are in the military. The best the Republicans can do for inflation is chant “Drill, Drill, Drill” but who in their right mind would stand around the gas pump waiting for that to have an effect. The American dream, thanks to the lax oversight of the Republicans is to simply avoid foreclosure without getting taken for yet another ride. The Republican healthcare policy is to borrow hundreds of billions to fund a prescription drug program that does nothing more than funnel more money to the major drug companies and health insurance companies while the elected ones make sure that their healthcare is truly the best that taxpayer dollars can afford. The Republican idea of an economic surge is to stick it to us taxpayers yet again by borrowing billions to fund stimulus checks for us to spend at WalMart. I cannot afford to raise and feed and shelter and educate these Republicans any longer. I have a family to feed and clothe and provide shelter for and educate. These are my family values. The Republicans need to get out in the real world and make a living on their own for a change. It is well past time to kick their lazy buttocks out the door.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Midori….

YES YOU CAN!!!

(think it, think it loud….)

By Ray

August 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

Midori,

There is not a damn thing wrong with my credibility. Those people who you took the pass on are some of the most enlightened Americans in the “black community”. I would venture to say that you have not read a single one. Most of the “black community” label them as “Uncle Toms”, not black enough, not with the brothers, not a true black person….. all because of their ability to think on their own without being told what to feel about their lives, their race and their country. JC Watts was smart enough to not follow his father’s teachings. The GOP is not the enemy…. it is your narrow view of the world seen through the eyes of a victim, blaming everyone but yourself for your own shortcomings. Most of America is getting very tired of this same old rhetoric. I sure as hell am.

By donald

August 18, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

McCain’s and other neocons ideas on America’s place on the world stage is nothiong new. Teddy Roosevelt practiced the same ideology almost 100 years ago.

In the conflict between Russia and Georgia my question is who invaded whom first? Well Georgia invaded South Ossetia betting that the west would side with her on the invasion. We blinked and Russia hit back.

I don’t see any reason why we are backing Georgia in this conflict. McCain wants to punish Russia, I say the real agressor, Goergia should be punished!

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Paul @12:10,

“Now, just what is the difference between the Bush Administration and the Democratic National Committee?!!?”

I’m sure the DNC won’t hold the detainees indefinately with no trial, and I don’t think waterboarding will be on the list of things to do while questioning the prisoners.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Midori 1:30

[[As JC Watts’ father publicly proclaimed: a black man voting for the GOP is like chickens voting for Col. Sanders]]

(for the benefit of those who don’t know, JC Watts is a black conservative Republican who was a Congressman from Oklahoma who left after a couple terms to spend time with his family).

Just goes to show you the progress that’s been made in the course of one generation - going all the way from his father’s outlook to the outlook of JC Watts and the Oklahoma voters who elected him - doesn’t it?

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

The Dunce had an even worse Saturday night than we first thought. he’s now been exposed as a liar by some evil covert operatives in the vast right wing conspiracy….no scratch that…..he’s been exposed as a liar by his own campaign. Well he did say somebody was lying in that interview.

So Obama lied, and in typical fashion for liars, lashed out at the people who exposed the lie before finally acknowledging it. He told David Brody in his CBN interview taped Saturday that he found it “offensive” that people pushed him on this issue, and 24 hours later the campaign folded on the point.

If child abuse is an evil that must be confronted, then infanticide is even more evil. What did Obama do when he saw this evil? Did he confront it, as one of God’s soldiers? Or did he facilitate it?

The answer now from the Obama campaign is clear. Obama facilitated evil in order to protect abortion on demand, which was never threatened by S.1082 in the first place. That much apparently wasn’t above his pay grade

By Paul

August 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

donald 1:44

Saying Georgia invaded S Ossetia is like saying the US invaded Florida.

Georgia is a nation. S Ossetia is part of Georgia. Russia, which is another nation, sent military forces on a military mission, destroying things and killing people, into Georgia. I believe that’s called an “invasion.”

Bosch 1:46

Hmmmm. The difference I see is the DNC had this built for US citizens, not enemy combatants. Then lied about this. Lied lied lied. Lied.

Where’s Al Gore when you need him?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch and Paul…

Did we notice that the city built the holding cells…..not the DNC.

By T

August 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

So, there is no oil in Iraq? Really? What? Huh, so what’s in the pipeline? Oh, olive oil. Cool, love the stuff.

Experience: Would you allow a military officer that has a 4 year degree and barely a years service lead American troops?

Answer: Yes. We like to call them lieutenant.

Experience: Would you place the lives of hundreds of American soldiers in the hands of someone who has a 4 year degree in Accounting and barely 4 years service.

Answer: Yes. We like to call him Captain. And would someone please tell him to stop leaving his 9 mil by the water buffalo it tends to rust when it stays wet. And stop using it as a pointer it’s a little scary.

Thanks for playing.

By demwit

August 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

“a black man voting for the GOP is like chickens voting for Col. Sanders.”

But disturbingly ironic, those very same chickens seem to be unable to survive without taxing Col. Sanders’ sales!

And if those chickens would just step down off that donkey, it would become perfectly clear to them, their broken families and uneducated chicks, that the donkey has been taking them in the wrong direction, the whole time!

By Ralph

August 18, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

How about you heroes listing some of McCain’s accomplishments? Called “punk, jerk and McNasty” since grade school, bottom of class and despised at Annapolis, bottom of class and despised at Flight School, crashed 4 planes carelessly in his career, less than a total of 4 hours of combat time, shamelessly spending his life playing the phony “war hero” card. (Remained at the Hanoi Hilton because he was ORDERERD there by the UCMJ and superior officers, etc. Where is the “experience” in dealing w Russians, et al? Heroism requires heroic DECISIONS and subsequent heroic actions. McCaine made no such decisions or actions. He was a POW - just like ALL other POWs. Grow up and grasp some truth & reality. Yeah, and let’s bring Geesuss and God into the McCain sham too! He does it all the time. Neh??

By Slick

August 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Jay,

I agree with the points expressed in your column today. It displays thought and insight, which appeal to the intelligent readers of your blog, and cause the stupid to respond with, ignorance, intolerance, and in some cases downright meanness.

Todays blog responses are a display of the correlation between level of education, and political preference. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to support Obama - the smart candidate. The less educated you are, the more likely you are to support McCain - the dumb one.

This level of education and intelligence is also displayed by the vocabulary you utilize, and the civility with which express your opinions.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

Good observation.

Yeah, Paul - see? So THERE!

It’s the city, not the DNC, AND I’m sure waterboarding will not be used along with indefinate detention.

AND, there’s even air conditioning. Some prison.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 1:55

[[Did we notice that the city built the holding cells…..not the DNC]]

“…the city’s director of corrections… Lovingier said the city had long planned to build a new holding facility for the DNC…”

Ohmygosh, Denver built it for the DNC. So Denver is an evil contractor, like Blackwater! And the DNC uses Denver to do their dirty work in building secret prisons so they can jail American citizens for political protest and try to make the Convention look good and betray the country!!!!

Golly, just replace a couple words in a rant from an uberleft site and whadda ya get….

Okay, back to more serious stuff -

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Midori typically ignored my pointing out that she constantly calls McCain a PIG, but is offended when I call her what she is, which is an ignorant moron tool of the left, walking in step with orders from the DNC. Just a typical stupid liberal trick throwing off the subject, which also in this case is her gutter mouth.

Apparently you can label anyone anything you please, but can’t handle it when you are called out?

Like I said, shut the hell up about griping about what others say when you are no better, even though in your weak mind you think you are.

And, I am not filled with hate, as you seem to think. I just cut to the chase on the subject at hand, tossing out the garbage and addressing the truth, which BTW, was never addressed by you, which was what a poor show your boy put on Saturday night, and how you socialists just seem to ignore it.

Oh well, can’t ever get a straight answer from a lib anyhow…they have to consult their slave massas at DNC first to be told what to say.

By slap happy

August 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

By demwit

August 18, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Which donkey is that demwit?

It’s my recollection that GWB has been in charge for the last 8 years…Wrong direction, I would think so!

Congress and the senate until 2006 were in the hands of republicans! Wrong direction, I would think so!

Clinton 8 years, right direction (Peace and prosperity) I would think so!

Get yourself another drum to bang on ..

By JAY BOOKMAN

August 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Bud, you’re right at the line, buddy…..

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

Paul@2:11,

Now you’re just being melodramatic.

Shouldn’t we be a little more concerned that Denver expects there to be that many protestors?

Enough to build a secret prison?

Paranoid? Or tough on security - and here I thought Democrats weren’t supposed to be tough on security.

I guess that shows the GOPers, huh?

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

and here I thought Democrats weren’t supposed to be tough on security.

Bosch,

They’re only tough on security when it comes to locking up other Dhimmicrats that are going to make them look bad. Doesn’t say much for their believe in freedom of expression though.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch - Mrs. Godzilla -

The serious stuff masked by that exchange:

Just what is going to happen at the Convention? There’s been rumblings of extreme protests, taking back the Convention, etc etc. The picture this will paint will not give the country a warm and fuzzy feeling - I think many people who peripherally follow things will think “this is what the Democrats will bring?”

So, are activists about to kill the patient to prove a point? Are Democrats, again, about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

By ButtHead

August 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Slick, I hope you are kidding; the more educated person would NEVER vote for Obama. 143 days as a junior senator, I do hope you are being sarcastic.

By Midori

August 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

LOL,

someone give Bud a little push :)

Bud,

I’m afraid I did not see the poor showing by Obama that you are enthusiastically raving about.

I applaud him for going into the “belly of the beast” for one.

Second, altho I didn’t watch it, I’ve read numerous positive reviews of his performance.

But then, I never see what your side of the political spectrum see. You guys live and operate in some sort of bizarro world.

Want some links about Obama’s performance?

And I do wish you would tone down your temper (or whatever you call it) a bit.

It’s not helping.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

I do not care much for cheap drinks other than a low cost bottle of table wine. Then again, table wines are intended to provide a cheap means of cleansing the palate. They are not intended to stimulate the senses. Beer, on the other hand is intended to simply fill the gut while dulling the senses. There is never a mention, unless in jest, of good taste in conjunction with a discussion of beer. Beer either accomplishes its goal of intoxicating its consumer while leaving a minimum residual taste or else by leaving one with a disgusting after-taste. Bud clearly falls into the later category. Perhaps with a little more refining, it would at least be worthy of burning in the old fossil fuel tank.

By Original Rick

August 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

“Cross in the dirt?”

Sounds about as credible as someone else saying he actually spent the alloted time in the National Guard.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Democrats for years have had an uncanny way of imploding and losing elections that were only their’s to lose (Al Gore, for example).

Extremism just ruins everything.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch 2:25

[[Now you’re just being melodramatic.]]

Ya think? :-)

Was kinda fun, though.

Still and all, after all the outrage over Pres Bush and free speech zones and such, this rather shows what happens when the other Party seeks power. Same stuff.

Is “looking good” (have you seen all the stuff about rounding up the homeless, giving them movie tickets to keep them out of sight, clearing their normal living areas) really all that important?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Paul

Remember the GOP convention in New York in 2004…..

GOP Convention Detainees Describe Long Stays in Grimy Conditions ….

By Paul

August 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch 2:49

“Extremism just ruins everything.”

I like that.

Funny thing is, my take is people like those who run the MoveOn-type organizations see themselves as mainstream, not extremist.

//Shudder//

By Paul

August 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 2:54

Please don’t tell me Democrats take it as a good thing to emulate the worst of what Republicans do…

By sitekeyboard

August 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

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By ByteMe

August 18, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Paul and Bosch, not the same stuff:

http://cbs4denver.com/reference/denver.protesters.arrested.2.794625.html

At least do a little fact checking before going off into “left” field.

By Daniel

August 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

I am so NOT excited about either candidate. One - a war-mongering neocon who will lead our country to the brink of economic collapse by fighting more trillion dollar non-Constitutional wars. The way that these will be funded will be deficit spending, which will lead to high levels of inflation and socioeconomic collapse.

The other - an extreme socialist. Let’s just rename our country the USSA if he gets elected. His solutions seem to always involve more gov’t _. How are we gonna pay for all these programs? Oh yeah, deficit spending which can’t go on forever and will eventually lead to….socio-economic collapse !!

Yay!! The choice is so clear !! (Snicker…followed by the desire to go to a bar and get drunk)

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I have a teenage daughter, I live with melodrama - and yes, it can be loads of fun.

Glad I could help. But don’t you think that extremism sucks?

I think the DNC should ask Denver officials to allow the homeless to roam around, urinating in the streets, bumping into camera men/women - that would be great. The DNC could use it as a tool to demonstrate the plight of the poor in America.

Where is the GOP convention?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Paul…

Not being an extremist myself….

I see moveon as mainstream.

I see mainstream as increasingly liberal…

I see support for universal health care, support for letting the Bush tax cuts expire, support for the continuance of Roe V Wade, loss of support for the occupation, lask of support for privatising social security….

I see people still afraid of the term Liberal, but becoming liberal none the less.

By Original Rick

August 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

I will posit this: The more educated the person, the more likely to be liberal.

I have always subscribed to the theory that that is why most of the colleges and universities are more to the Left.

And also since most reporters and correspondents witness more than most people, they have much more information. Again, the more more information one has, the more likely one is to be Progressive.

In my experience, those who espouse a Conservative bent are less likely to have wide ranging reading habits. In other words, they do not read as much as they can get their hands on.

I cannot say how many times, after listening to someone defend or state a neocon stance, I have asked if they primarily watch Fox News, getting most of their info from that service. Invariably, the answer is a Yes, accompanied by a quizzical look.

By ByteMe

August 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

@Bosch: St. Paul. You think mebbe the dems will export some homeless to hang around there? It will be summertime after all, so not such a hardship. Maybe give them some mosquito repellent just in case.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Quite a performance by McCain, indeed.

McCain cites questionable story on ‘evil’

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Thanks ByteMe!

Hey Paul, look at this:

“An informational handout will be distributed to arrestees, providing information on the process, contact numbers and information sources for family, and phone numbers for the American Civil Liberties Union and People’s Law Project. Arrestees will be able to make free local calls – as well as long-distance collect or calling-card calls”

See? NOTHING like Gitmo. Sounds quite nice actually.

And, there will be TOURS available soon of the facility - it’s not so secret after all!

Tours! Maybe we can all go!

By GaLiberal

August 18, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

McCain is proof that if you spend TRILLIONS on building up a military, you will use it for any reason to justify the expense. His saber rattling and war monger talk on Georgia (the country; no the state)is just more proof that he is like Bush and four years of him will bankrupt this country (as if Bush didn’t do a good enough job already). There is no left to buy our debt (even Vietnam doesn’t want US dollars) so McCain would have to finance any war by simply printing more money. That just reduces the value of the dollar driving up import prices like oil and cars. I’m sure McCain will do like Bush and set up his own intelligence office to feed him lies to justify ‘liberating’ Georgia (the country; no the state) and then leave a ‘stabilization force’ there for 100 years.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And McCain is living (well, breathing at least) proof.

By Paul

August 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

ByteMe

“If you build it, they will come.”

If this was reversed, the posts would be “Why do Republicans fear free political expression” and “Jack-booted Nazis repress the will of the people” or some such.

But a large number of people equals “the possibility of increased arrests” - so much so they need a whole new processing facility - doesn’t say much for their view of Democratic activists obeying the law, does it?

By Midori

August 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Bosch - here’s a tip as to where the GOP convention is: tap….tap…tap

let’s see if you can guess :)

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Original Rick,

In my opinion, your political persuasion has more to do with how and where you collect your paycheck than education.

By hillbilly ragger

August 18, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Paul, serious question—what is it that you find especially “extremist” about Moveon.org?

It’s not an organization I am all that close to, myself, but a quick scan of their current campaigns I’m hard pressed to find anything they’re doing that’s out of step with a very large percentage of Americans.

Is it all about that “betray us” ad? If so, did you actually read the ad that gave so many people the fits? Is there anything in that particular ad that’s “extremist”?

Not a “gotcha” question; I’m really just curious, and you seem intermittently rational.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

ByteMe,

What’s good for the goose, right?

Oh Paul, you know that the GOPers have a secret prison somewhere - they are just better at keeping it actually a secret. I’ll bet they won’t give out informational brochures and tours.

All you have to do to find it is look in the cities building codes office and see where they’ve installed lots of additional plumbing for waterboarding rooms.

OR, they’ll just send their detainees right to Gitmo - do not pass go, do not collect $200.

By Bosch

August 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

Midori,

:-)

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

Late-night comics and serious news commentators have picked up on the “arrogance” and “presumptuousness” themes. The cable news networks have given mass exposure to McCain’s Obama-mocking ads. And Thee Magnificent One and his ever-enthusiastic supporters probably did not help the cause with the mass rally in Berlin and the advent of the easily ridiculed additions to the Oblahma phenomenon like the “O” salute.

The “O” salute?

But McCain’s greatest advantage is his audience. Bruno really never stood a chance in a Democratic primary in which appeals to idealism rang true with receptive urban elites, African Americans and young people. A broader-base general electorate may be a harder sell for Thee Dimwit. Less starry-eyed working class voters and those in McCain’s age bracket (who turn out in huge number on Election Day) may be the very skeptics to whom McCain can appeal.

Plus, Obama is a moron.

Can you say President McBushie?

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

Actually, how the RNC is handling protesters in MN is a pretty interesting story.

I suggest y’all use “the google”…

By Paul

August 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Bosch 3:10

“Where is the GOP convention?”

Minnesota. Same as the location for the movie “Grumpy Old Men.”

Too good to let it pass -

Original Rick 3:13

“The more educated the person, the more likely to be liberal.”

So much for the blue-collar working class Democrats.

I’ll posit “the more educated, followed by a life cloistered in a profession such as politics or university teaching, the more liberal”

Those who leave university and then go out into the real world and look at the withholding on their first paycheck tend to lose a liberal edge.

Bosch 3:16

And the DNC could hire the homeless as tour guides!!!

GALiberal 3:16

Ask Obama if he supports reducing the - what was it, trillions? - we spend on Defense. Care to guess his answer? Should be easy, after all, we know where he stands on the issues.

Mrs. Godzilla 3:11

I see many of the readers and members of MoveOn as mainstream, the leadership well to the left of the US populace.

I think it’s an interesting phenomena that as a country matures it adopts policies of increasing government intervention. There are efforts to correct, but on broad areas, such as education, roads, social welfare, gov’t increases. And I also find it interesting it’s labeled “liberal.”

I too see support for universal health care (so long as someone else pays), letting the Bush tax cuts expire (but only for the really really rich, not putting more low to middle income families back on the tax roles or taking away child care…. Wait, Bush took low and middle income families off the tax roles and gave them money for someone else to babysit their kids…. What?!!?)… and privatizing social security’s been a dead idea since it was floated. But neither candidate is willing to fess up, long-term. And Obama just said he doesn’t want to do much of anything about it for ten years! That’s one way to buy a second term… sigh…

By Paul

August 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

hillybilly ragger 3:21

If I’m intermittently rational I’m making progress…

It’s not so much a “position on the issues” thing as it is a methods thing. I watched through the Democratic primary how they sought to exert control over the candidates. The “with us or against us” thing. Seems to greatly reduce the chance for diversity in the Democratic Party - same as the neocons and farfarRight did with the Reps earlier on. They raise, and cause to be raised, lots of money - oodles and oodles of it.. More than any other Democratic organization, I’d imaging. So that is power.

So then came all the stuff about telling where the candidates to appear, and not to appear. And where to debate, and not to debate. And the reaction to views counter to theirs. The Gen Petraeus ad was a good example (brother, if there was ever an example of an organization being out of touch with mainstream America -). Check the interplay on how dicey the candidates were in reacting to that. Another on views counter to theirs - Iraq is an example - I wouldn’t count their treatment of Sen Liebermann in the best traditions of American democracy. And their need to appeal to that base is what’s causing Sen Obama such difficulty with his Iraq statements now.

So I suppose I just don’t see such groups as espousing the finest examples of live-and-let live political debate.

By Original Rick

August 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

“By Bosch August 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this Original Rick, In my opinion, your political persuasion has more to do with how and where you collect your paycheck than education.”

Nope, guessed wrong. I work in Retail, for a large home improvement company.

By Paul W

August 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Bookman is in a panic, he has to try to spin this into something that he can’t. On Saturday night McCain looked, sounded and acted like a decisive, capable leader- and Obama ben Barrack tried to talk his way into pleasing everyone, while standing firmly on nothing.

The Soviet intervention in Georgia is a liberal’s worst nightmare. When confronted with the all-too-real possibility of additional conflict in the world, all but the loony left will realize that McCain is best suited to servre as our CIC. Oue enemies would laugh in the face of Obama’s rhetoric- all they would see is another Jimmy Carter.

All should ask themselves this question- who would Chavez, Putin and Ben Laden like to see elected? That answer should tell you something.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Speaking of groups that don’t espouse the finest examples of live-and-let live political debate.

Anybody ever hear of Freedom’s Watch

Kinda’ like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - only newer!

By Paul

August 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

Never heard of it. And from what you wrote - don’t care to .

hillbilly ragger - a followup

I’m most distrustful of groups that raise huge sums of money to control, or impose their views, on the political process.

If there’s a corrupting influence in our system, that would be it. And the thought that such groups think they’re ‘different’ because they’re the one that embodies ‘truth’ and ‘the one true way’ makes me even more uneasy.

By ron

August 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

I don’t need a President that will attack Russia.I do need one that is willing to do so if necessary.The Russians are a hard lot.They are bad people.I’ll feel better with McCain at the helm should Russia carry out it’s threat to nuke Poland.

Obama was asked when life begins and one would have thought that the man whose political career has been mostly defined by running for President,was sandbagged.He would make you believe he didn’t expect such a question and he had to mull it over in his great mind before answering.You’re buying that bull?This guy has rehearsed that question so many times he could read the teleprompter’s answer in his sleep.

It is good to mention that The Messiah and the Pope may agree on an answer.

Are you seriously contemplating handing the reins over to a guy with 140 odd days of experience as a Senator?A man that has done nothing? Does everyone out there think that what is going on in the world today is some sort of Hollywood script and that there is going to be a happy,Lassie type ending?

By Midori

August 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Hey Ron,

maybe McCain can go crash a plane into the Kremlin!!

and then he can use all of his experience as a POW to show them how to torture the folks they invaded?

that’ll show the naysayers, huh?

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

That 3:16 of yours is worthy of your ITFS days.

McCain says the girls were mentally disabled, the story says they had depression and schizophrenia and the author you link to says it’s questionable because the girls didn’t have Downs syndrome.

Since when does “mentally disabled” mean Downs syndrome and exclude depression and schizophrenia?

By thirdhorseman

August 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

As has ever been the case, liberal dems are wetting their pants, and quaking in fear that the U.S. may once again come to the rescue of some defenseless country. Had you been a majority when Hitler rose to power there would have been no Israel and no Jewish people left in Europe. As always, your abject cowardice prevails over any reason or intelligence. Your are the same “useful idiots” who helped to perpetuate the Soviet Union for so many years, and would gladly stand aside now as they recapture their former satellite states.

By ByteMe

August 18, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 3:17:

  • …doesn’t say much for their view of Democratic activists obeying the law, does it?*

Considering your earlier post mentioned someone from “Re-create ‘68”… let’s see… what happened at the Dem Convention in ‘68…. oh, yeah…

By mickeymouse

August 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

“They’re just taking jobs Americans don’t want”. Illegals took the smirking-chimp’s cue to over-run the borders,immolating US laws,supported by almost every state,especially Virginia!(Get your tags HERE)! Colin,Clarence and Condi find it easier to eat nuts from their master’s table than to be revolutionary…I mean George lied about Iraq,and America didn’t bat an eye,as a million graves were dug…(no dissenting ‘MLK’s here)…Which brings to question…Why would a(any) good man want GW’s seat after he’s defecated all over 15th and Penn and the World stage?

(edit)Wish E.Degenera married Condi!Condi’s so strange!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

RW

Reminds of your past as well….

“But a senior American military spokesman said Wednesday that it remained unclear whether the women had Down syndrome or suffered from any medical condition that would have prevented them from understanding what they were doing.”

THAT MEANS….there is no proof one way or the other that the women were disabled at all…..MAKING McCains allegation false.

It coulda’….it mighta’….

but alas, no proof one way or another.

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

It seems the higher Barack Obama climbs in politics, the lower his pay grade gets. Don Surber finds a quote from 2001, when Obama served in the Illinois Senate, that indicates that his pay grade covered the kind of determination that Obama now says exceeds his authority. Obama told Rick Warren that he couldn’t comment on the moment personhood gets established

“Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a — a child, a 9-month old — child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.”

Now there are a couple of ways to look at this. The Dunce was dissembling because he was scared to give his honest answer or he’s just come out as a staunch federalist.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this

With all this refinery expansions going on in Texas, Louisiana, etc., you would think that maybe the Republicans just don’t know what they’re talking about when they start clamoring about the mean old Democrats making it so hard to build refineries and all that other garbage they like to spew around election time.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080818/giantoilterminal.html

Here’s a little sampling:

“Motiva, a partnership involving Royal Dutch Shell PLC and Saudi Arabia’s national oil company, has said it plans to nearly double the size of its refinery near Port Arthur, making it the biggest in the nation and one of the largest in the world.”

The good news is that they didn’t even need to wait for those Republicans playing in the dark in Congress to get some new laws passed. Now, isn’t that good news.

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G.,

How was the senior military spokesman supposed to diagnose the bit and pieces on the street? The fact remains that their medical records said they suffered from depression and schizophrenia and McCain didn’t say they had Downs Syndrome.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this

Midori, you continue to amaze me with the low levels to which you can sink. You have redefined “no-class”.

But then again, libs like and Bosch and yourself seem just a little too uncomfortably familiar with the tap, tap, tap thing.

Is there anything which you two might like to confess? Confession is good for the soul, if you have one, that is.

By Frederick Douglass

August 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

I have a grandson, little Frederick III, and he’s ripping the Cobb county school system apart, academically speaking. If his generation didn’t have to pay for a John McCain presidential disaster, I’d think we’re getting what we asked for.

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

He said he’d never called before to complain or state his case. Given Elizabeth’s health — she has cancer — he said it was especially important to him that the story not run in The N&O.

This was on Oct. 11, 2007. According to Edwards today, the affair was over and Elizabeth knew about it and was perfectly OK with him lying about and campaigning for President. All the story was going to say was there was a flimsy accusation in the Enquirer and that the Senator denied.

So I ask you, leaving aside the disgusting use of his wife’s cancer to get them not to run that story, why would he care if it ran?

By Midori

August 18, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Bud, Bud, Bud - from me to you

to your good health.

speaking of “no class”, I’d wager you dropped out in elementary school - hence your lack of self control and anger management.

I’ll pray for you.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Peace, Midori.

I declare a unilateral cessation of hostilities.

However, the Russian background in the old family tree gives me pause for concern……….

By Ms. Tucker If Ur Nasty

August 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

What’s all of the hub bub about Obama reading a teleprompter? If Dubya could read one without stammering, and stuttering, maybe his approval rating would’nt be so low.

By Bud Wiser

August 18, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

Can I be trusted…………..

By Gman

August 18, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

McFeign is going to make a fool out of himself over this Georgia crisis. He’s already began goading our commander in chief into making statements that insinuate an escalation in the crisis.

There’s a peculiar dynamic going on with McLame and Bush. Bush badgered McShame into submission in the 2000 campaign after McClown objected to Bush’s swiftboating of McFeign’s military service. McWhine literally folded on camera during that confrontation. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. McCain is now goading the commander in chief for not declaring war on Russia already. McCain is like getting revenge for the can of whoopass that Bush opened up on him in 2000, and he’ll be unwavering in his assault on Bush’s diplomatic posturing.

McIdiot isn’t fit to run a McDonalds.

By Gman

August 18, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

U can B trusted 2b the stalking sociopath that U R, Buttgeyser.

. It’s really 2 bad about U. We coulda had something special on these blogs, but U cant handle your feelings, U get hurt, with just a slight. It’s on account of your limited ability to comprehend print. You read stuff that aint there. And that makes you useless.

And I think it’s a damn shame that your mother didn’t raise U2B a nicer girl.

By Midori

August 18, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

the cross in the dirt

McInsane is such a lying liar!!!

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Watching Midori lecture someone on self control and anger management is a little though the looking glass like.

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Now here’s a debunking. Maybe Team Barry should read this and see how it’s done

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Aahhh, yes, another hurricane sputters through thee state of Florida, just as weak and impotent as anything al-Gore has ever said.

Do tell us, toadies, what’s gonna get us next?

By RW-(the original)

August 18, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this

though=through @ 5:36

Sheesh….

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Responding to various new scientific reports questioning the concept of global warming, Assemblyman Michael Doherty today called on Governor Corzine to hold off on proposing any new regulations associated with the state’s Global Warming Response Act and urged the Legislature to repeal that act when it returns to legislative business after Labor Day.

“There are many credible members of the scientific community who have questioned the theory of global warming, and now we have some scientists actually suggesting the earth’s temperatures may be entering a period of dramatic cooling,” said Doherty, R-Warren and Hunterdon. “With this growing level of scientific uncertainty, it makes no sense to enact a new set of economically damaging regulations prompted by the global warming hysteria of recent years.”

By @@

August 18, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Nut ‘n personal here Jay, but when you came back from vacation, you weren’t firin” on all cylinders either — so maybe OBlahMa’s poor performance at the forum could be attributed to that?

Honestly though……OBlahMa seems to be lacking in core principles. At least when you cut into an apple (McCain) there are seeds. When you peel back an onion (OBlahMa), you end up with nada, zilch, the big zerO.

You’re heading misrepresents McCain. His instincts push him towards making Putin a prisoner of his war.

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Putin’s aggression brought an end to socialist Europe? Beef it up fellas……The Russian Bear’s a poopin’ in your woods. Don’t spend your money on toilet paper. Buy yourselves a strong defense. The U.S. can’t be your everything….your all….your call.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Neokkkon Jay is calling for total nuclear war upon the Rooskie Empire>>>>>

By @@

August 18, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this

You’re?

Make that Your heading misrepresents.*

IHB

By "The Corporal"

August 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Is there any way we can get Obama in that “Cone of Silence” ??

By Hey Soose

August 18, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

2 points:

1.) We are NOT the world’s policeman. 2.) Those of you whose only argument is to call those you disagree with names. I pity your ignorance at not being able to come up with a real contribution to the debate, and yes, free speech includes the right to be ignorant.

By zeke

August 18, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

OBAMA is a farce! No experience! No credibility! No pan! Just saying the word change is not a qualification to be President, the most powerful person in the world! GOD FORBID THIS LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE NUT IS ELECTED!!!

By Peter

August 18, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

Yes By zeke……… well he could do no worse them Bush for sure !

Sorry Bush was Sooooooooooooooooooooo bad, anyone can run and win NOW !

By Peter

August 18, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

Hey By Bud Wiser…………apparently you do drink during the day !

By scott

August 18, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

OK I will say it. Obama is where he is because of his skin color. Period. He has absolutely no other qualifications. His Senate career is marginally better than is mine. And that is only b/c he is there and I am not. If teleprompters did not exist, the BO would be a mute. We may elect him, but only b/c of White guilt.

By Midori

August 18, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

really Scott. That’s all it takes? Being Black is all it takes?

CHRIS ROCK FOR VICE PRESIDENT!!!

Using your logic, Chris is in!!!! Hot dog!!!

and you guys might want to check out some You Tube clips of McInsane fumbling and bumbling along WITH a teleprompter. I mean the mispeaking and blank stares says it all. You’re all making fools of yourselves.

Oh, and Bush too. Mangled syntax, non subject-verb agreement, oh — this is too easy.

Now I must go put food on my family.

good night all.

By Whoa doggy

August 18, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

Wow!

I guess I’ve been in a coma for the past 38 years. I just came out here and learned that simply being Black gets you a seat at the most powerful and influential table in the world!

I here I’ve been thinking all this time we were nothing but scum.

Hot d@mn!

By Frederick Douglass

August 18, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

What the heck, when the smoke clears, maybe we’ll get a Cindy McCain center for rhe rehabilitation of meth addicts out of this fiasco.

By Jim

August 19, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

The media is awfully quiet about ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES/MILITARY ADVISORS training Georgian soliders in Georgia.

By Just Nasty and Mean

August 19, 2008 5:56 AM | Link to this

I am just glad as hell Ms. Godzilla is using this blog to distract the topic, erect her no-charge Obama billboards and cut/paste from the democrap talking points instead of Wooten’s blog.

Life is Good!

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