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Libertarian shops for activist judge

Bob Barr, the former Georgian congressman and now Libertarian candidate for president, filed suit to force Saddleback Church in California to include him in its presidential forum this evening with John McCain and Barack Obama.

The effort failed. But it is exceedingly strange to have a supposed Libertarian using the federal courts to try to force church doors to open to him.

Instead, according to a Los Angeles TV station, Barr will speak at a town hall meeting at the Islamic Institute of Orange County.

The joint appearance will be televised at 8 p.m. on CNN. Those who wish to do so can comment on the event live here on this thread.

UPDATE: A commenter below corrects me, pointing out that the event will also be broadcast on Fox and MSNBC.

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By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

It’s also on at 8 on Fox News, for those of you that can’t stomach CNN and for the kook fringe it’s on PMSNBC at 8 too.

The effort failed. But it is exceedingly strange to have a supposed Libertarian using the federal courts to try to force church doors to open to him.

That’s for sure, but it’s a stretch to call this a joint appearance.

By Wes

August 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Jay,

You’re absolutely right that this doesn’t fit with most Libertarians’ view of government. Would you mind letting us know how our candidates are supposed to get into debates? Neither of the major parties seem all that interested in letting other people interfere with their duopoly.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

August 16, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

Politics do indeed make strange bedfellows as they say.

Most everybody judge shops though. Most defense attorneys do it.

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 7:28 PM | Link to this

Would a front page story in tomorrow’s New York Times about how Obama has run for 18 months without saying anything interest any Hillary backers out there?

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

By And So It Came To Pass

August 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

After all, thanks to the Republicans and their policies, the guy working at Wal-Mart could sure use someone in office that will work to bring better jobs to America, reduce inflation and unemployment, quit bailing out financial institutions, clamp down on wealthy individuals that evade paying their taxes, protect people against predatory lenders, etc. Of course, all the unemployed could probably use even more help to come up with the money needed to fund all the increases in government payrolls since the Republicans took charge. Then again, if you cannot afford to pay those ever increasing property taxes, what business do you have owning a house or land. You should apply for the governors [of Georgia] job — as a Republican, of course — if you don’t want to pay property taxes.

By Eric

August 16, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Wes, you are right. Neither Barr (nor anyone) can break into the two-party system without some intervention. What a shame of American politics that other voices (candidates) are shut out of the process. Hardly democratic!

By Bruce

August 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

“After all, thanks to the Republicans and their policies, the guy working at Wal-Mart could sure use someone in office that will work to bring better jobs to America, reduce inflation and unemployment, quit bailing out financial institutions, clamp down on wealthy individuals that evade paying their taxes, protect people against predatory lenders, etc.”

do you really think Obama can do this

maybe you should vote for Bob Barr to accomplish this

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this

Did Barry just say he used to be obsessed with himself? Sorry to let him know, but that hasn’t changed a bit.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Link to this

Barr has outlived his usefulness and should seriously consider a job as an over the road truck driver.

Of all the goofy and misguided ideas that the Libertarians have had, using the federal courts is akin to inventing the wheel for them, at least they aren’t whining about some new federal tax scheme, same as the old tax scheme.

Really though, what’s the diff, if the government is still plotting against your earnings, does it matter where the crime takes place?

I shouldn’t totally write off ole Bob, maybe president Bruno will pull a lesbian Lewinsky in the Oval Office and he can get back to hounding them to the ends of the Earth.

~~~~~

Democrats’ stance against offshore drilling has shifted more, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi signaling on Saturday her willingness to consider opening up more coastal areas to oil and gas exploration.

Cue the howls of agony from thee environmental terrorists.

What’s this, broken dimwitocrat kkkampaign promise number 6,367?

What’s next on the “cave in to Repug pressure” agenda, will “gay marriage” be thrown under the bus?

Anything for a vote, eh?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Link to this

Oblahma was also asked who on the U.S. Supreme Court he would have never nominated. His reply: Clarence Thomas.

“I don’t think he was a strong enough jurist or a legal thinker at the time for that … I profoundly disagree with his interpretation [of the Constitution],” he said.

Well, well, look at baby barak proving his bona fides against affirmative action, a ladder he had no problem climbing when he needed the help.

Now, that there is pandering to undertake, it’s Dimwit against the fellow brother, what’s this uppity ghetto dweller doing up here disagreeing with My Perversions?

This ignorant calculating puppet of the white power left wing just cost himself the election.

Watch as what I say hits home.

By Midori

August 16, 2008 9:46 PM | Link to this

a question for Andy: do you have to speak in tongues in every, single post?

By JAY BOOKMAN

August 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

So Management, what evidence do you offer that Obama used affirmative action to achieve his success?

Any at all?

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Link to this

If anybody doubts my claims that Obama is a Dunce I challenge them to play back the answers The Dunce gave back to back with the answers McCain gave.

Of course you won’t be able to in many case because The Dunce bumbled and fumbled so much that he only got about half as many questions.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 9:52 PM | Link to this

I r o Dim: Speaking of speaking in tongues-

“On this particular issue, if you believe that life begins at conception … and you are consistent, then I can’t argue with you on that,” Lord High Dimwit, Hater Of Blacks, said. “What I can do is say are there ways we can work together to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?”

He also touched on same-sex marriage. When asked to define marriage, he told Warren: “It’s a union between a man and a woman.”

Gettin crowded under that bus, ain’t it?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Jay: Why did Lord High Dimwit choose to take on the black man, instead of the 3 other white guys that always decide the same way the black man does?

I am prescient, all knowing, nothing gets by me.

Or something like that.

By JAY BOOKMAN

August 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

“I am prescient, all knowing, nothing gets by me.”

There is substantial evidence to the contrary…. :>)

By Taxpayer

August 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

Once again, we listen to the candidates and once again we are left with the same compelling questions:

1) Which liberal do you prefer?

or

2) Why don’t Obama and McCain toss a coin to determine who is president versus Vice President?

After all, they complement each other so well. Now admit it, don’t you just love the excellent job these guy’s coaches are doing and the basic research done by the pollsters and the steering committees and their excellent work at steering public opinion. Wow. I feel almost as though these candidates are just sitting there inside my brain, anticipating my next concern. Blah, blah, blah. American politics — the only remaining big American business yet to be outsourced. What are they waiting for? Just think of the potential savings if pollsters were calling and asking all those hot topic questions in broken English. Boy, I could really have fun with this line of thought.

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

For all of you Fox News haters out there, they just had a touching piece on what a horrible flight schedule The Dunce had to take to get his family home from the Hawaii vacation and then travel to California from Chicago and excused away his dismal performance with it.

Meanwhile I bet Team Clintoon has emailed the video of The Dunce to every superdelegate already.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this

RW: Check this out, when Oblahma was bumbling, he was answering Warren’s questions exactly the same way that……………………..Clarence Thomas would.

Hahahahahaha, my Lord, how easy can this get?

By And So It Came To Pass

August 16, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

Bruce at 7:54, maybe I should. Maybe I will.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

Pardon me:

“When Oblahma wasn’t bumbling……

Shees, laughter is hard to type through.

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC-M,

The Dunce said that Clarence Thomas wasn’t experienced enough at the time he was nominated to hold the position. Somehow I think he may have been projecting.

Jay B,

Any chance of getting the posting delay taken off for these events in the future? We’ve got 500 comments that go with the flow at Michelle “be still my heart” Malkin’s site, but this delay makes live blogging impossible over here.

By Taxpayer

August 16, 2008 10:25 PM | Link to this

Jay,

The last thing you need to do is turn this blog into an instant messenger. Let the two lovebirds get a room.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 16, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

Prescient-

Now we will have thee Lord High Dimwit, thee Most Splendid, tour of the fever swamps, where he will deny everything he said to the Jesus Freaks.

Can you say damage control?

By RW-(the original)

August 16, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

TP’er,

How many blogs with unmoderated comments do you know of that have a multiple minute delay?

Jay B,

I take back part of my 6:46. While Fox News is falling all over themselves to make excuses for The Dunce, CNN seems to be just ignoring any replays of his comments and has taken to praising McBushie.

Good call on directing people to CNN.

By Ray

August 16, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

The nerve of that Obama talking about Jesus Christ inpiring him to help others!

Jesus Christ is about getting saved and getting rich!

If the poor don’t like being that way, they can get off their fat, lazy, nonworking a*******es and get a freaking job!

McCain ‘08

By Just in

August 16, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Apparently, Pastor Rick passed on the last question to John McCain because he could no longer stand the broccoli smell coming from the Senator’s diaper.

By Dusty

August 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman 9:49

Perhaps you should tell us how you can be sure that Obama did not get admission to Harvard through affirmative action.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that affirmative action may be used in university admissions. Therefore any black student or minority student MAY have been chosen under that “action”.

I do not think that Harvard or any other university would indicate whom was chosen on such a basis. Therefore ALL minorities are sometimes judged (suspect) as admitted on less rigid qualifications than required for the majority. Sometimes true and sometimes not, it is still a common assumption.

I doubt that Obama needed affirmative action since he graduated with highest honors from Harvard. But I believe his own book indicates that he was not a serious student in High School because he drank so much.. But I have not read his book so that may be incorrect. It does not make him sound like a well rounded student fit for Harvard’s high standards. But he was admitted.

Was it by affirmative action? We will never know.

The Bakke Case and others show why affirmative action is still controversial even though that action was promoted with good intentions.

By Cherokee

August 17, 2008 1:57 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer @ 10:25 is correct. Pretty disturbing to watch these two old wingnuts throw sloppy kisses at each other.

By same o same o

August 17, 2008 1:59 AM | Link to this

you’re damn right Dusty.

By Poste Haste

August 17, 2008 7:03 AM | Link to this

Today, ex-troll Wooten extolls McCain’s decisiveness in his hypothetical remedy for Russia’s invasion of Georgia: A Special Fist-Waving Session of the U.N. (The old global stamp of approval that sank Kerry). Of course it doesn’t take much to impress Mr. Woo. Not in a world where TV chef Julia Child’s service record is more salient than our commander in chief’s.

Is Mr. Woo, of China, suggesting a new governing triumvirate of coulda, woulda and shoulda?

Obama 08: America takes over.

McCain 08: America Coulda, woulda, and shoulda (by crackey).

Can you wet start a war?

By George Whitfield

August 17, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this

I am voting for Bob Barr. He believes in the US Constitution and that is important to me.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

GEORGIANS FORCED TO CLEAN STREET - Russian troops and their allies forced Georgian men at gunpoint to clean the streets of South Ossetia’s bombed-out capital Saturday, avenging Georgia’s attack on the breakaway province a week ago. It appeared to be the first sign of abuse of Georgians in the Russian-controlled province.-AP/Urinal

Aahhh, yes, of course there are no issues from the drive bys with Russian soldiers forcing Georgians to labor under gunoint, it isn’t like the Americans are doing these things, then there would be hell to pay.

But since it is not the United States “committing atrocities,” we hear from the true Pinko Nation, apologists for the Hitlers and Pol Pots of our time.

~~~~~

So what do you think the first response from the “hate American power” crowd would be concerning Russia’s invasion of Georgia-

Let’s hope Americans who still believe we can bend the world to our will are paying attention. The Chinese glitter and the Russian guns of August should have reinforced a lesson: Even if the United States remains the world’s lone superpower, it is a significantly diminished one, first among near-equals. We no longer stand astride the globe. Our bluff and bluster aren’t as frightening as we might think.-Queen Pinko, Urinal/Jihad

These^^ are the kinds of things that grade school children write.

There is no doubt that Russia is going to lose this in the most major way, as orchestrated by the United States and as implemented by all of the world, so yes, talk crap about America while the opportunity is ripe, you archaic socialist doomsayers.

The United States could begin an all out air assault on Russian forces in Georgia and within just a few hours time the Russians would be forced to withdraw, if they were not completely annihilated.

Is this what you libs want?

Are you willing to risk nuclear retaliation from Russia?

So then do tell us, pinko, what are you suggesting we do?

Maybe gather world leaders together, open diplomatic channels, create a plan for economic sanctions?

Like we are doing already?

~~~~~~

George Will has some good advice:

Two Democratic priorities in the next Congress would placate two factions that hold the party’s leash —- organized labor and the far left. One is abolition of workers’ right to secret ballots in unionization elections. The other is restoration of the “fairness doctrine” in order to kill talk radio, on which liberals cannot compete. The doctrine would expose broadcasters to endless threats of litigation over government rules about how many views must be presented, on which issues, by whom, for how long and in what manner.

By promising to veto both of these forthcoming assaults on fundamental freedoms, McCain would give specific content to voters’ usually unfocused fear of one-party government.

Yeah, liberal ideas are so popular that the dimwitocrats have to force them on you.

Yeesh.

~~~~~

Just curious, why doesn’t the Urinal move their Vent section to the editorial page so that we can read all of the submissions from the editorial writers in one place?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

The audience of several hundred inside the auditorium offered polite, if not occasionally enthusiastic, applause throughout the forum. Yet Obama had trouble with the crowd when Warren asked “at what point does a baby get human rights?”

“Whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade,” Obama said in a response that elicited a low murmur from the audience.

That’s right y’all, he’s a stone cold baby killer.

Above my pay grade, puh-leeze.

By Poste Haste

August 17, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Today, ex-troll Wooten extolls McCain’s decisiveness in his hypothetical remedy for Russia’s invasion of Georgia: A Special Fist-Waving Session of the U.N. (The old global stamp of approval that sank Kerry). Of course it doesn’t take much to impress Mr. Woo. Not in a world where TV chef Julia Child’s service record is more salient than our commander in chief’s.

Is Mr. Woo, of China, suggesting a new governing triumvirate of coulda, woulda and shoulda?

Obama 08: America takes over.

McCain 08: America Coulda, woulda, and shoulda (by crackey).

Can you wet start a war?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

No one forced Georgia or Ukraine or Poland or Latvia or Lithuania or Estonia to move toward Europe and the United States. The elected leaders of those countries decided for themselves. And they made that decision partly because they understand the distinctions between dominance and submission, freedom and slavery, prosperity and penury, aggression and comity. They lived those distinctions. Is it too much to ask that we learn from our friends, and call a culprit a culprit and a victim a victim?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

And we know now that, far from being undermined by the campaign in Iraq, the wider war against Islamist violence would show significant progress, with terrorism outside Iraq’s borders having “in fact gone way down over the past five years,” as Newsweek’s Fareed Zakaria noted in May - and with popular support for jihadist organizations plummeting across the Muslim world.

This in itself is a victory.

By Poste Haste

August 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Today, ex-troll Wooten extolls McCain’s decisiveness in his hypothetical remedy for Russia’s invasion of Georgia: A Special Fist-Waving Session of the U.N. (The old global stamp of approval that sank Kerry). Of course it doesn’t take much to impress Mr. Woo. Not in a world where TV chef Julia Child’s service record is more salient than our commander in chief’s.

Is Mr. Woo, of China, suggesting a new governing triumvirate of coulda, woulda and shoulda?

Obama 08: America Will.

McCain 08: America Coulda, woulda, and shoulda (by crackey).

Can you wet start a war?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

It appeared to be the first sign of abuse of Georgians in the Russian-controlled province.-AP/Urinal

Really?

Survivors described how the irregulars roamed from house to house. They sifted out villagers with Georgian surnames, immediately executing all teenage boys. Nugzari Jashashvili, 65, was returning home across the fields when he saw gunmen approach the house of his neighbour, Gela Chikladze, 50. ‘They cut his throat,’ Jashashvili said.

Jasashvili said the gunmen killed his cousin Koba, 40, and another man. They took two other local men hostage. After watching his neighbour’s murder, Jashashvili hid in a cornfield.

For Nana Tetsladi, 35, there were no doubts last week about Putin’s ruthlessness, or his nonchalant defiance of world opinion. Russian Sukhoi SU-25 bombers pulverised her five-floor block of flats last Sunday, targeting the residential suburb of Verxvebi, on the outskirts of Gori. They bombed for three consecutive days.

By Poste Haste

August 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

McFeign’s energy policy can best be represented by a roll of paper towels, conservatism’s answer to huge million-barrel oil spills. Ever notice that? Big Oil runs a tanker aground because they wont screen drunks out of their captain selection process and their rememdy is a roll of Bounty, the quicker picker-upper.

McFeign sure talks big when he’s not the commander in chief. McFeign reminds me of the kid on the playground who stood behind some player during a confrontation, escalating the language, and waving his fist, endangering the uneasy truces the principles negotiate with posturing and well chosen words.

McFeign is a loose cannon.

McFeign 08: “Why I oughta…”

By Poste Haste

August 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Today, ex-troll Wooten extolls McCain’s decisiveness in his hypothetical remedy for Russia’s invasion of Georgia: A Special Fist-Waving Session of the U.N. (The old global stamp of approval that sank Kerry). Of course it doesn’t take much to impress Mr. Woo. Not in a world where TV chef Julia Child’s service record is more salient than our commander in chief’s.

Is Mr. Woo, of China, suggesting a new governing triumvirate of coulda, woulda and shoulda?

Obama 08: America takes over.

McCain 08: America Coulda, woulda, and shoulda (by crackey).

Can you wet start a war? McFeign’s energy policy can best be represented by a roll of paper towels, conservatism’s answer to huge million-barrel oil spills. Ever notice that? Big Oil runs a tanker aground because they wont screen drunks out of their captain selection process and their remedy is a roll of Bounty, the quicker picker-upper.

McFeign sure talks big when he’s not the commander in chief. McFeign reminds me of the kid on the playground who stood behind some player during a confrontation, escalating the language, and waving his fist, endangering the uneasy truces the principles negotiate with postured diplomacy.

McFeign is a loose cannon.

McFeign 08: “Why I oughta…”

By ron

August 17, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

In the scheme of American politics,Bob Barr has as much right to run as anyone.He is going to come closer to winning the Presidency that I am.Not a lot closer,you understand,but closer.

By Blog Police

August 17, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

I’d vote 4U ron. Very funny, Poste Haste. Loved the paper towel bit, the julia child’s spy reference, and the image of McShame jumping up and down spoiling for a fight, where he’d get clobbered.

great stuff

Mgt: seek med attention. you stopped making sense long ago, and it’s getting to where a reasonable man has a liability if’n he donts intervenes. I think I’m right about the civil law on this, right Jbmlaw?

bwa Jbmbwa

<=3

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

It seems that Obama recognizes that while his résumé titles are impressive, his actual accomplishments are weak. It’s as if he were jockeying to be the next company CEO with little to show for his prior high-profile management positions. So, he does what anyone else does who has spent years coasting on charisma without doing any heavy work: he pads his résumé—stretching the truth here, stealing credit there, and creating the illusion of achievement during his lackadaisical, undistinguished tenure in previous jobs.

A few examples? Take Obama’s first general election ad. We are told that Obama “passed laws” that “extended healthcare for wounded troops who’d been neglected,” with a citation at the bottom to only one Senate bill: The 2008 Defense Authorization Bill, which passed the Senate by a 91-3 vote. Six Senators did not vote-including Obama. Nor is there evidence that he contributed to its passage in any material way. So, his claim to have “passed laws” amounts to citing a bill that was largely unopposed, that he didn’t vote for, and whose passage he didn’t impact. Even his hometown Chicago Tribune caught this false claim. It’s classic résumé-padding—falsely taking credit for the work of others

By getalife "whiners"

August 17, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

[Obama going off:] (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx)

By Gman

August 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Obama represents the much needed change from the rot that infects Washington DC.

The current conservative monopoly is a rotting corpse teetering on collapse, like the former soviet union after the wall came down.

McCain deserves only the respect any former public official retains with age. We must offer our kindness to those who served the citizenry, for if there is no sanctuary from scorn for incompetence then where will all our senior citizens find solace?

Obama 08: America’s teeth.

McCain 08: America’s teeth in a glass.

By Bud Wiser

August 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Apparently Gman didn’t see his hero stumbling like an ignorant fifth grader who doesn’t know how to spell the word the teacher asked. It’s all true….Obama cannot speak in public without his teleprompter. McCain lft the Messiah in the dust.

Of course the leftist tools cannot counter their boys sad, sad showing in California yesterday. What do you say about a stumbling, bumbling fool that hasn’t already been said? I suppose the usual slurs and insults are forthcoming, because it’s all you fools have. Even Fox was trying to cover for Obama’s inadequacies! He was pathetic.

Like I said, the beating he is going to be administered by McCain in the fall is going to be bad. The media wants to try to show it as close, because without a close call they have no game. Loser left wing socialists are taking another beating this year. They never learn. Take your socialist crap to Cuba or Russia, that show don’t play here in America!

By Bud Wiser

August 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Apparently Gman didn’t see his hero stumbling like an ignorant fifth grader who doesn’t know how to spell the word the teacher asked. It’s all true….Obama cannot speak in public without his teleprompter. McCain lft the Messiah in the dust.

Of course the leftist tools cannot counter their boys sad, sad showing in California yesterday. What do you say about a stumbling, bumbling fool that hasn’t already been said? I suppose the usual slurs and insults are forthcoming, because it’s all you fools have. Even Fox was trying to cover for Obama’s inadequacies! He was pathetic.

Like I said, the beating he is going to be administered by McCain in the fall is going to be bad. The media wants to try to show it as close, because without a close call they have no game. Loser left wing socialists are taking another beating this year. They never learn. Take your socialist crap to Cuba or Russia, that show don’t play here in America!

By Dusty

August 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Dear GMAN@12:42

If there is no sanctuary from scorn for incompetence WHERE WILL YOU GO, GMAN?

So far you have trashed veterans, older people, Republicans, the administration of the USA. Thus you equate the military, the USA,your parents & grandparents, and anybody who does not “believe” as you do, with “rotting”.

There is NO solace for misfits like you. You do not deserve any. You take all the benefits offered in this country and then howl like a coyote in the moonlight.

But you are not a coyote. Just a skunk. Be gone, midget brain of stink stuff. Even Obama would not claim the ignorant likes of you.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Ukraine offers satellite defence co-operation with Europe and US- Ukraine inflamed mounting East-West tensions yesterday by offering up a Soviet-built satellite facility as part of the European missile defence system.

Socialism is on the outs, except for here in Atlanta of course, it’s last moronic bastion of “hope” and “change.”

Maybe you goony libs could offer your “services” to the Russians, they sure could use an ally about now.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

The high temperature at Denver International Airport today was 58 degrees. This 58 degree reading will replace the previous low maximum temperature record for August 16th which was 63 degrees set 118 years ago in 1890.

I know, I know, this is a “clear, unmistakable sign of ‘global warming’ and our impending doom, it wouldn’t be so cold if we didn’t have warming, blah, blah, blah.”

It’s all coming apart at the seams, ain’t it, Pinko Nation?

Lord High Dimwit, Thee Most Splendid, is nothing more than an evening news anchor, the dollar is roaring back, oil prices are plummeting, Americans want to drill, your latest goony anti America action figure hero Vladmir Thee Impaler is showing the world what real torture is and making the EVIL EMPIRE! America look like an episode of Mr. Roger’s neighborhood.

Sucks, don’t it?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Meanwhile, Iran claimed Sunday it has increased the range of its warplanes, allowing them to fly as far as Israel and back without refueling.

Am I the only one who would rejoice at the glorious sight of Iran’s air force streaking mightily through thee skys to it’s intended targets in Israel?

Where they would all be shot down in flames before they got anywhere near close to Israel’s border?

We’d laugh like hell, wouldn’t we?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Some quagmire this is turning out to be:

Taliban insurgents attacked police checkpoints in Nad Ali district of southern Helmand province Friday, sparking clashes that killed 23 militants, the Interior Ministry said Sunday. Four police were wounded and 13 other militants were detained, it said.

More than 3,200 people — mostly militants — have been killed in insurgency-related violence this year, according to an Associated Press count based on figures from Western and Afghan officials.

And everybody is happy too! We get to kill zipperheads en masse and the zipperheads get to go see allah.

Alas, all good things must come to an end, cause I got a feeling there ain’t too many more zipperheads left.

We shall see.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Don’t look now but The dunce’s campaign has shifted out of their race baiting phase and back into whiny crybaby mode.

Laugh of the day: Obama blames McCain for messianic imagery

As far as I know, it wasn’t McCain that had women fainting at his feet in a series of campaign events. And McCain didn’t write the speech in which Obama claimed that his nomination was the moment “the oceans began to recede and the planet began to heal

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~and~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Obama campaign is upset with John McCain far failing to defend Obama from charges leveled by Jerome Corsi in his new book, “The Obama Nation.” But since when is it the job of a presidential candidate to comment on the substance of a book he presumably hasn’t read containing largely obscure allegations about his opponent’s life that he is no position to assess?

Grow a pair, Dunce, this is getting embarrassing.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

The contrast was striking throughout each man’s one-hour time on stage. When Warren asked Obama, “What’s the most gut-wrenching decision you’ve ever had to make?” Obama answered that opposing the war in Iraq was “as tough a decision that I’ve had to make, not only because there were political consequences but also because Saddam Hussein was a bad person and there was no doubt he meant America ill.” But Obama was a state senator in Illinois when Congress authorized the president to use force in Iraq. He didn’t have to make a decision on the war. That fact was a recurring issue in the Democratic primaries, when candidates Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden, Christopher Dodd, and John Edwards argued that they, as senators, had to make a choice Obama didn’t have to make. And now he says it’s his toughest call.

To further press the case on abortion, McCain had brought along New Jersey Republican Rep. Chris Smith, one of the most forceful pro-life voices in Congress. After the forum, I asked Smith whether Obama had helped himself at all with pro-lifers. Just the opposite, Smith said. “I thought Sen. Obama’s statement in quoting Matthew 25, which is my favorite scripture since I was in high school — ‘Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do likewise to me’ — when as a matter of record he voted against partial-birth abortion…well, I find it discouraging and disingenuous for him to talk about the least of our brethren.”

By Ray

August 17, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Weren’t Grandpa McSame’s stories last night great??????

Total bullsh!t about the Cross - but he don’t remember so - so what?

And then the one about Grandma illegally smuggling that baby???

He did drool a little too much about Georgia - but only because he misses playing golf with Saxby’s Daddy.

I love my Grandpa McSame.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Watch The Dunce nearly choke himself to death on the word experience before switching to calling Thomas an idiot instead

Barry had about 141 days experience as a senator when he started running for President.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade.

That spectacularly inept metaphor is going to haunt Obama throughout the rest of the campaign. News flash: There’s not a job on the planet above the pay grade of the President of the United States. If you can’t solve every problem and are humble about it, that’s fine — but you can’t get away with being unsure about the most defining moral issue in politics.

You know, I’m starting to think this guy just might be a dimwit.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

Ouch!

I honestly can’t remember hardly any of Senator Obama’s answers to the questions that were asked, while McCain has had at least SOME memorable answers

I think it was a mistake for Senator Obama to do this forum.

I’ve been shocked at how well McCain has done compared to what I was expecting. That very well could be it.

I don’t know why Obama went there - he comes across as a poor second to our “McZero the hero”.

And that was just the DUmmies. Look what the Koz Kidz had to say.

McCain beat our a* tonight.*

We have been here before. You don’t bring Karate to a gun fight. You bring an Uzzi. McCain brought an Uzzi. Obama brought a pocket knife and got ambushed. It’s time to stop this crap

His answer “above my pay grade” will be in an ad tomorrow. He appeared to give non answers to me. And he must have said uh and um a hundred times!

OBAMA GOT CREAMED…NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK at it.

Via the ‘busters

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

AJC/DNC-M,

The question was about at what stage the entity in question, embryo/baby, gains rights. That shouldn’t be “above his pay grade” as a Senator, much less as President.

By getalife "whiners"

August 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Obama lost his mojo at the end of the primary.

He is using Kerry rhetoric and not keeping it simple stupid for the ignorant masses.

Need a fighter like Clinton but they tossed them under the bus like Clark.

Obama has a huge bus and will lose.

By Middleman

August 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Obama took too much time with his answers last night.

And then he ruffled the feathers of the Church when he did not commit to conception beginning life.

And perhaps he didn’t share the warm stories apparently sought by those who are saying McCain had a great night.

But if there is one thing for sure that Obama did not do last night it was pander.

Lost in the accolades John McCain has received today from the Christian right is the undeniable fact that any remnants of John McCain ‘The Maverick’ died on that stage last night. John McCain pandered. Once respected for his willingness to do what he, and only he, felt was right, John McCain finally sold what was left of his once respected soul.

John McCain ‘The Maverick’ is dead. Conservatives are now left with McBush.

And for this American, that is a real shame.

By Bud Wiser

August 17, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Obama is keeping it stupid alright; anything else would not only be out of his character, but beyond the comprehensive abilities of the mindless tools that worship at the feet of The Messiah.

He got sooooooo wasted by McCain last night! Whatsamatta Hussein? Didn’t they go by the teleprompter you begged for?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now we know why Hussein doesn’t want to debate McCain…….he has absolutely no impromptu skills whatsoever….if it isn’t scripted in advance, HE CAN’T HANDLE IT!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

By Obambi

August 17, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

mmmmmmm, mmmmmmm, meeeeeemeeeeee, bbbbrrrrrrrrppppp,eeeeehhheeeeehhhh, paygrade, uhhhhh, mmmmmmmbbrrrrrrr, patut, patut, patut, capcapcap, mmmmmmm, uh, oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t see that thee, uh, teleprompter was on.

Greetings fellow dimwits-

By now, uh, many of you morons have figured out that I am a total fraud and a puppet, an intellectual lightweight, a dullard, a fool, a clown, a blooming idiot, dumb as a rock, not the sharpest knife in thee drawer, a maroon, a bozo, a hack, that I have s** for brains, a mentally stunted sycophant, a toady, a mouth breather, a crackpot, an empty suit, a twit, a numskull, a blockhead, a dult, a boob and above all, a dunce.

Plus I lie like a rug.

But do not despair, you simpletons, I can, uh, see the looks of concern upon your, uh faces, uh, um, and I understand your grave apprehension of thee coming election, uh, but let us view thee coming disaster as an opportunity.

Because it is too freaking bad, you DUmmies are stuck with me.

Bwa.

It ain’t like you dunderheads can elect Bruno now, uh, unless you want race riots like thee corporal says, uh.

So come with me together on my historic quest to make Dukakis look like Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Bushie all rolled into one.

As one, we will suffer the most disgusting electoral losses in history, it will be a sickening defeat of epic and depraved proportions, the greatest loss for the dimwitocrats throughout all of their sorry history.

Geez, why did you morons pick me?

Seig Heil!

By For The Record

August 17, 2008 6:17 PM | Link to this

You girls are the best advertisement for Obama that I have come across yet. How much is he paying you. Back when I was working, I was getting $50/hr. I imagine the rates are higher now though, right.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

I see that thee teleprompter was nearby-

Studying the Earth and Monitoring Climate Change- Understanding how Earth supports life and how human activities affect its ability to do so is one of the greatest challenges facing humanity. Because of decades of investment in research satellites, scientists now better understand and can better predict natural phenomena such as hurricanes and weather patterns. However, many of our current monitoring and research satellites are expected to end their operational life between now and 2026. Given the urgency of climate-related monitoring, and considering the time required to design, develop, and deploy Earth observation satellite systems, the Obama administration will lean forward to deploy a global climate change research and monitoring system that will work for decades to come, blah, blah, blah.

Why don’t this dimwit just look at the thermometer?

Geez, these libs like to waste money.

By @@

August 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Jay, I’ve always wondered why a Socialist Party candidate doesn’t appear in debates — unless of course, they consider OBlahMa their candidate.

The Socialist Party and Communist Party websites declare that he is the next best thing, the first step to having their policies front and center on the American stage.

I was disappointed that OBlahMa singled Justice Thomas out as one he would not have appointed to the SCOTUS. Thomas completes Booker T.. OBlahMa completes W.E.B. Du Bois who said:

“The Negro Race, like all races, is going to be saved by its exceptional men. The problem of education then, among Negroes, must first of all deal with the “Talented Tenth.” It is the problem of developing the best of this race that they may guide the Mass away from the contamination and death of the worst.”

I’m convinced OBlahMa sees himself as The Talented Tenth while Justice Thomas sees all as equally capable.

Go sit in the corner Senator OBlahMa. It is YOU and those like you, who is the weakest link for the African American community.

By Midori

August 17, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

DANG!! We’re out of quarters!!

By Midori

August 17, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

I think he’s lip syncing

By hillbilly ragger

August 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

This just in: People who gripe about judicial activism are hypocritical! Amazing, I know.

So is there anything McCain won’t stoop to lying about? Looks like his “cross in the dirt” story was cribbed from Solzhenitsyn from his times in the Soviet Gulags.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

ragger,

This may be hard for you to comprehend, but drawing a cross to signify a message of Christianity in a situation where it can’t be spoken isn’t exactly a rare occurrence, but if you think attacking a POW over a Christian experience is a winning strategy then by all means go for it.

By Taxpayer

August 17, 2008 8:05 PM | Link to this

No matter what McCain says, he probably qualifies after the fact for the “plausible deniability” line. There’s no reason for Democrats to be concerned though even if McCain does happen to get elected. After all, any Democrat can simply print out McCain’s voting record and show it to him — for example, whenever they need him to veto a bill — and readily convince him that his dementia kicked in and some Republican took advantage of an opportunity to make him think that he was one of them.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 8:24 PM | Link to this

Look at the dimwitocrats calling themselves out:

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

Months after deciding that Thee Dimwit was the One, now they ask for “where’s the beef?”

To which Lord High Dimwit answers, “huh?”

Stupid slobbering sycophants.

By @@

August 17, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

a boob

I’d like to clarify if I may……

HE is a man with boobs.

From what I saw in the islands, HE has a soft underbelly too.

Tall and pudgy?

By well

August 17, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

Is he or isn’t he?

By Bud Wiser

August 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Obbbbbbbbbbamaaaa…..sorry, I seem to acquired Obama speak for a second.

(whack)

Okay, better now.

Hussein Obama seems to be mimicking the mentally challenged when he tries to speak extemporaneously. I mean, the guy just can’t talk without the familiar teleprompter.

Little wonder his ‘staff’ speaks for him, he apparently is incapable of formulating a cogent thought, or expressing himself without help.

And this is the best the Dimwitocrats can come up with?

Amazing.

By @@

August 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

I havent checked in on Obama’s cousin, Raila Odinga in a while. Is this legitimate?

“‘The person who made me proudest of all,’ Obama wrote, ‘was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. “He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.’”

So what you might ask? Well, let’s take a closer look at “Roy” Obama.

In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama’s late Muslim father belonged.

So, when a man like Raila Odinga is linked with Abdulkader al Bakri, you are not making a minor connection, but one directly into al Qaeda.

Such are the vagaries of making political bedfellows in other Nations…

And so we have even more sleazy associates of Barack Hussein Obama

Oh lawdy……

By AJC/DNC Management

August 17, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

What @@ says has some teeth:

Raila Odinga, Kenya’s current prime minister and opposition leader made a huge fortune during his stint as energy minister by dealing with incredibly rich, Islamist-funding Saudis and Libya’s deranged dictator, the terrorist sponsor Muammar Khadaffy. More recently, Odinga promised his country’s Al Qaeda-associated Islamists that he would impose Islamic law on all Kenyans, and protect Islamists from arrest and deportation for jihadist activities. If Odinga comes to power in Kenya, the African nation will surely become another terrorist sponsoring state.

Prediction: it’s probably only a matter of weeks before Obama attempts another “that’s not the man I knew” distancing act relative to his pro-Islamist relative, as in “not the Reverend Wright I knew,” “not the Father Pfleger I knew,” “not the Tony Rezko I knew,” “not the Bill Ayers I knew,” and so on and so forth.

Yeah but that is the al Qaeda we all know.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 10:14 PM | Link to this

How does somebody land on their knees in the vault final and still get a top score?

I’m getting just a tad sick of the Chicom judging.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Oh good, it’s not just ragger that gets his “news” from the Daily Kooks

By @@

August 17, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Obama finished the primary season anemically, almost backing into the nomination. He won his delegate majority largely from caucuses, some sparsely attended. Since securing the nomination, he has stagnated in polls and sustained insufficiently answered attacks from Republicans.

There will be an elephant in the room, or the convention hall, and it won’t be a Republican. It will be a thought, a dread, a fear, that the Democrats are nominating the wrong candidate.

Could this be Michael Dukakis and John Kerry all over again? Should we be nominating Hillary? A few Democrats will say it. More will be thinking it.

Just say YES YOU DID!

nominate the wrong candidate.

How do democrats let their political party get away with this kind of finagling? You so wanted a win, but you won’t get it because you didn’t get it.

By RW-(the original)

August 17, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

And as for the big white-shoe law firms that are so God&$#* proud of defending terrorists that they splash it all over their firm’s pro-bono page: how many of them also sent free high-powered lawyers to help U.S. servicemen in trouble?

Don’t go there libs, you don’t want the truth, you think you want the truth, but you can’t handle the truth.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 18, 2008 5:53 AM | Link to this

Jay: Still stinging from the Iraq victory, are we?

(New column in the litter box liner)

It’s amazing that even with all the neocon war mongers running around, American guns remain silent.

Asked to name an example of when they took a stand against their own party to do what they felt was best for the country, O’bumbler cited ethics reform. McCain, after referencing climate change, spending, and torture, focused his answer on his opposition as a freshman congressman to President Reagan’s decision to send U.S. Marines to Lebanon in 1983.

The example subtly did two things. It pushed back against the portrait of McCain as a warmonger who supports military intervention in all circumstances and it reinforced the fact that he has been involved in America’s national security debates for decades.

~~~~~

Look at the AJC/DNC speculating on behalf of the enemy:

McCain opposes abortion rights, but he riled some conservatives last week when he suggested his running mate could —- like Ridge —- support abortion rights.-Urinal/PMS

Yeah and the dimwitocrats could break the mold and pick somebody with a brain but I doubt it.

~~~~~

DEKALB COUNTY- Less water usage means less revenue, Officials are expecting to have about $10 million less than projected, and will have to cut costs or raise rates.

Gosh, I wonder what they will do, hmmmmm?

~~~~~

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has asked her leadership team for input into how to tamp down the talk and trouble her party is having with both the energy issue and the Fairness Doctrine, both of which are energizing the conservative base leading into the fall election cycle.

Now we know which two issues are clear winners.

By Gman

August 18, 2008 5:57 AM | Link to this

It is true that not one rocket tube has been used to enrich no uranium, Sparky.

You do have a point. An idiotic one, but a point. (on his head, folks)

JBMbwa.

By Ben

August 18, 2008 6:22 AM | Link to this

Where exactly do you get the idea that libertarians won’t use the court system? It’s in the Constitution, plain and simple, and Barr loves the Constitution. Why shouldn’t he use the court system? He wants to do away with abuse of the Constitution, but using the courts is not abuse. Income tax is abuse of the Constitution. The Federal drug war is abuse of the Constitution. Lots of things done using the interstate commerce clause are abuse of the Constitution. Using the court system explicitly set up in the Constitution is not abuse. You owe your readers an apology for misrepresenting libertarianism. Also, you may want to read a book or two about it so you understand before you write your misleading and unfair attacks.

By Taxpayer

August 18, 2008 7:15 AM | Link to this

Subjecting us to all the trash talk of the Republicans is an abuse of the constitution. I saw that Obama tried to slow down his talk but it still wasn’t slow enough to give these Republicans on here enough time to understand. That’s why Republican politicians gave up long ago and started focusing on one-worders instead of one-liners. They even learned to repeat the one word a minimum of three times in order to get through to their constituency. “Drill, Drill, Drill” is one such example. Notice how the Republican leadership also capitalized on a one-syllable word. With tactics such as these, other party candidates looking to get through to the Republican voter will certainly be facing an uphill battle. After all, how do you make a message any dumber. As for a third-party candidate such as Barr, he’ll need to start by getting a nice animal symbol, such as “BigFoot”, followed by a name change for the party to something like “Freedom Party” and a real simple chant such as “Free, Free, Free”. That should help pull away some of the Republican base.

By The Libertarian Guy

August 21, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

“Neither of the major parties seem all that interested in letting other people interfere with their duopoly.”

Exactly.

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