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Bush White House ignores another law

Even though the Bush administration dislikes the 1973 Endangered Species Act, it has made no serious effort to rewrite the popular law in Congress. Instead, it has tried to achieve its goal by simply refusing to enforce the legislation.

So when government scientists decided that proposed projects had to be altered or stopped to protect an endangered species, administration officials would simply rewrite the scientific findings, an investigation by the Government Accountability Office found.

Federal courts have reached a similar conclusion. By one recent count, 78 cases have been filed, heard and settled in federal court since January 2001, claiming that the Bush administration had failed to abide by the Endangered Species Act. The administration has lost 77 of those cases, many heard by judges appointed by Republican presidents.

Now the administration is trying another means of gutting the law. It has proposed a rule change — “a narrow regulatory change,” Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne calls it — that would strip government scientists of their role in reviewing federal projects for their impact on protected animals, birds, fish and reptiles.

If the change is implemented, federal agencies that propose projects would also determine whether those projects might endanger species protected by law. The concept of independent review by biologists at the Fish and Wildlife Service and National Marine Fisheries Service — a core concept of the Endangered Species Act since its passage — would disappear.

Kempthorne claims the change is being made in the name of efficiency. He has a point. If no government scientists review proposed federal projects, political appointees won’t have to spend time and effort twisting the results of those reviews, and federal courts won’t have to spend weeks of court time overturning decisions. But that’s not how the law was designed to work.

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By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

It’s twofer, uh, Wednesday:

Mukasey: No criminal prosecutions over hirings-Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Tuesday rejected the idea of criminally prosecuting former Justice Department employees who improperly used political litmus tests in hiring decisions.-Urinal/PMS

U.S. court rejects reviving lawsuit in CIA leak case-Plame accused Vice President Dick Cheney….”It is simply unacceptable for top government officials to be unaccountable for such a gross abuse of their power, blah, blah, blah” Sloan said.-Urinal/DNC

Two, count em, two liberal moonbat fever swamp conspiracies in one day, both of them shot down in flames.

Just like all the other garbage these maggots have wasted so much of our time with.

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“Now is the time for action —- not just words,” Lord High Dimwit, Thee Most Splendid, said in the statement.-Urinal/Jihad

Did Obambi just concede from the presidential race?!?!?

If we need something besides words then we don’t need him anymore.

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Bright spot for mayor under fire- Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick’s third trip to court in a week turned into a victory Tuesday when a judge threw out prosecutors’ claim that a visit with his sister violated the terms of his bail in an assault case to which she was a witness.-Urinal/DNC

Uh, democrat Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

Kilpatrick and his former chief of staff, Christine Beatty, were charged in March with perjury, obstruction of justice and misconduct in office in connection to their testimony in a civil trial.

Yeah, “bright spot.”

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Bipartisan energy effort gripes the ideologues, blah, blah, blah-Queen Pinko, Urinal/PMS

Of course, hidden in the penultimate paragraph:

Of course, environmental lefties will have to compromise, too. They’ve been whacking Obama for his inclination to support the Gang of 10; a couple of weeks ago, he said he’d support a compromise on drilling to get significant funding for alternative fuels.

Windfall profit taxes for those of you who only get your news from the Urinal/DNC.

Deny the American people their right to drill for energy, goonies, I dare you.

By Bud Wiser

August 13, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

I always had a preference also when it came to saving so-called ‘endangered species’. When it comes to humans versus wildlife, I choose humans. Some scientists call it natural selection, survival of the fittest, whatever.

However, when it comes to endangered species versus Democrats, my thoughts become much more clouded. But I guess even then I will support the humans. That might be only about fifteen percent or so of Democrats, however.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Blessedly the Bush Administration in currently on the top of the Endangered Species List.

By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

This in itself is a victory:

If both sides agree to a cease-fire, Mr. Sarkozy promises that Europe will consider sending peacekeepers to enforce it. We trust he will find volunteers from the former Soviet republics, which see the writing on the wall if Russian aggression in Georgia is left unchallenged. The leaders of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia flew to Tbilisi this week in a show of solidarity.

NATO also met yesterday and denounced the invasion, while stopping short of promising military aid to Georgia. Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said the allies “condemned and deplored [Russia’s] excessive, disproportionate use of force,” and demanded a return to the status quo ante.

The Euroweenies have been lounging in decadence for far too long, hiding behind the strength of America and whining about it the whole time, an easy game to play when you have no dog in the hunt.

Bark, bark, ladies.

By Bud Wiser

August 13, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Yes Mrs G, I agree. It will be great to have the fresh thinking McCain Administration in place.

The greatest fear of Obama supporters is, that should he somehow pull a miracle (more likely voter fraud) and win, will he be able to at last find, and reveal to us all, the last of the 57 states?

By A Average Joe

August 13, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Good for Bush.

By The Condor

August 13, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Why does someone become a liberal nut job simply by wishing to uphold the rule of law? BUSH IS NOT A KING!

By wolf

August 13, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

AAaahhhhhhh……….

Why is this Administration so quick to dismiss the law? And why are we letting them do it?

What is America - if even our President won’t obey the law?

By Jonny

August 13, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Lots of intelligent remarks been placed on here. Buncha geniuses. I really pray that our future isn’t in any of your hands. All this f’in democrats this, republicans that. You’re all f*** idiots.

By Pete

August 13, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

I suspect that this law change will facilitate the allowance of drilling in ANWR, and more importantly will remove a lot of the barriers and paperwork that stops Nuclear power plants from being built. We need to take command of our energy at this point and stop being hostages to the oil producing countries. If a few Caribou or Cranes need to be displaced or die, well then I guess they need to die. At what point do we stop surrendering our national security and sovereignty to some fuzzy forest animals and unemployed tree-hugging hippies?

By barred

August 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

I hope these comments don’t represent the people of Atlanta.

By wow

August 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Wow.

What a bunch of idiots posting here.

By GOPs got to go

August 13, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

So what else is new? The bush administration’s record of truth bending is like a gold medal in the Limbo event in the summer Olympic games. They have more spinal flexibility than those female Chinese gymnasts. What is next? Oh look over there, gays are getting married under a burning flag…….Oh yeah, been there, tried that a few times

By BIll Moye

August 13, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

He’s just a godless heathen.

By Truth

August 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

Uphold the law???? Then we should lockup/deport every single illegal alien in America starting today! The law is the law you know….

By saywhat?

August 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

Worst.President.Ever.

EVER.

By obama is here

August 13, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

get bush out before all wild life is dead.

DON’T HURT MY MULES!!

By Tim

August 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

American wastes so much energy without a care in the world. We buy up gas and waste it letting our cars idle at red lights. We drive around huge pickup trucks and SUV’s that get less then 15 miles to the gallon and we don’t even carpool with them or actually use them to tow/carry stuff.

Make sure that you understand that this magic oil that we use so much of, has a finite value. We will run out of it adventually.

But that is not our problem, we are a nation of wasteful, selfish, whiners. Our energy plan is to use as much energy before other countries do.

So instead of actually reducing energy use, or creating an alternative renewable energy, lets just drill holes everywhere till every last drop of oil is burnt into the atmosphere.

Who cares right? Our children can clean up our mess. Actually, without the high amount of energy that we get from oil, the world population will stop increasing for the first time since we started using oil. I imagine the world population will settle back to around 500 million or so, the amount that can be sustained by man/animal labor energy.

So keep on chugging down that oil, and don’t look for anything new to replace it! That way we can kill off 5-6 billion people in a matter of a few decades…

By George

August 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Another great time saver - Get rid of the courts! Just have the police decide if you are guilty or not. Or better yet - let the criminals decide. Think of the time and money that would be saved. The fascist regime of the Bush Administration already doesn’t pay attention to any laws - now if they would only allow the rest of us to do the same.

By ERic

August 13, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

With witty comments like “WOW’ and “barred” I can understand how we’ve gotten to where we are..

It would be nice to see some people on the other side of the debate come up with something more than “Wow. What a bunch of idiots…”

How about some discussion of why the Endangered Species trump the US (and by extension) world economy? Think about this, liberal bleeding-hearts - if our economy, driven by energy, slows down, your buddies the Chi-Comms can’t build us junk, so their people starve, and they can’t keep spending billions on African and N. Korean aid. If the world economy slows, there’s less funding for ENDANGERED SPECIES RESEARCH GRANTS. There’s less money for AIDS research so the Frisco crowd may have to start rolling on the old rubber hats before heading to the bathhouses.

If our economy fails, so fails the world, and there’s no money for ‘noble causes’ because we have to take care of our own problems before sending trillions abroad!

Get some friggin’ perspective folks!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 13, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

Yes, BUD WISER, I read McCain’s favorite snack is Polar Bear Fingers!

Voter fraud…too funny, dude!

How about a big steaming pile of Republican Election Fraud?

Kris Kobach, a former counsel to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft who is currently the chairman of the Kansas GOP, sent out an email on Thur entitled “Kansas Republican Party Year in Review” in which he brags of voter caging….

Kris Kobach, chairman of the Kansas GOP, sent out a self-congratulatory litany of accomplishments. Among them was one particularly eye-catching item: “To date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!

Slate.com has the best comprehensive write-up on how the Republican Party employs caging techniques to suppress the votes of the poor, the deployed, and college students. (You know, likely Democratic voters.)

Voter suppression through caging lists has become a standard part of the Republican playbook to steal elections for some time now. In Sept McClatchy detailed current Republican voter caging efforts underway in Florida and Ohio to “impede Democratic-leaning minorities from voting in 2008,” and back in July PBS NOW took a look at the Republican Party’s voter caging plan “designed to keep Democrats from voting, allegedly by targeting people based on their race and ethnicity.”

Here’s the link

If it comes from wingnuttia….it’s probably a lie

By Moderate

August 13, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

My guess is that one Rush Limbaugh wannabe posted all the hateful, stupid remarks. Don’t let him divide us!

By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

The Europeans may seem divided, but behind the bland statements calling on both sides to stop the recent fighting something significant has happened. Six European leaders, five of them from the former Soviet bloc, chose to stand side by side with Mr Saakashvili yesterday as he struggled to remain in power. The events in the Caucasus will only serve to harden opinion against Russia at Nato and in the EU.

Do they really want to take on the whole world?

For all its big-power bluster, Russia is weak and vulnerable. Russian tanks and aircraft may have smashed the fledgeling Georgian Army with ease, but most of the weaponry was Cold War-era and many of the troops conscripts. Anyone who has seen the Russian Army operating in the Caucasus knows that the military will need a generation to modernise. Meanwhile America, and its main Nato allies, are decades ahead in military technology and combat experience.

Now if Europe doesn’t return to it’s former state of spinelessness…..

By Apatriot

August 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Um, ok, I re-iterate the aforementioned thought: since when are we “nutjobs” and “unpatriotic” if we attempt to apply a major constitutional principal to ALL Americans, even public officials and the President and his men? The rule of law — which states NOBODY is above the application of the constitution — has been openly disregarded and shat upon by the current administration. There are plenty of us that are NOT traditional lefties but feel sickened by the current representation of the Republican - conservative party. I thought the GOP supported Christian morals and values — that would mean obeying the laws. Call me an Obamican I guess — I would call myself a follower of Thomas Jefferson. Their power has become their food. So sad.

By Del Wasso

August 13, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

The GOP’s desire to see an end to all of those pesky checks and balances that accompany Constitutional law should now be quite obvious to anyone who cares to look. ANYONE who has not renounced the Republican party is a bona fide traitor to the Republic.

I’ll see you all in St Paul!!!

www.shockedandawful.com

By Nny

August 13, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

BudWiser and AJC/DNC: Get a hobby. Oh wait, I’m sure this is your hobby you poor sad sacks.

You actually have hope in McCain? I mean don’t get me wrong, I don’t actually have much hope in Obama either. Our system is broken and no politician is going to fix it because it favors them greatly (especially in their pockets) not to. Don’t kid yourself, this country is run on money, not ideals. Never has been run on anything but money. Don’t imagine we’re a Christian nation either. Our God is money. Don’t kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

This leads into the actual theme of this article: It hurts the money making process to save animals. Unfortunately, we can’t live without them (considering we ARE animals, just upright and talkative ones). We are all connected in an intricate web. You break too many strands of the web and the whole thing comes crashing down.

If you REALLY believe “When it comes to humans versus wildlife, I choose humans,” then you’re a bigger idiot than I even first imagined. Frightening concept.

By Bosch

August 13, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Yeah, and who needs honey bees anyway?

By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Bruno feels no guilt about encouraging her supporters to mess up Obama’s big moment, thus undermining his odds of beating John McCain and improving her odds of being the nominee in 2012.

She’s obviously relishing Hillaryworld’s plans to have multiple rallies in Denver, to take out TV and print ads and to hold up signs in the hall that read “Denounce Nobama’s Coronation.”-Moron Dud, Treason Times.

By marlin perkins

August 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

are we talking about animals or illegal aliens?

By Jason

August 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Nothing worse than argueng with people whose mind can not comprehend basic facts. Enjoy your loss, Republicans, you are all filthy lying scum POS anyway,

On top of that, the coawrdice you display is appaling since you are only willing to say such thing around other like minded losers, on anonymously, on the internet.

Waht a clown show the GOP right wing is. Get the F our of America if you don’t like it. Some fascist nation will welcome your stupidity.

Whiny b***.

By "The Corporal"

August 13, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

I know that Roe vs. Wade was passed about the same time (1973). Are unborn babies covered under the “Endangered Species Act”? I guess they left that out.

By Astounded

August 13, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

I’m with wow - I can’t believe the level of commentary here.

Yes, Pete, it’s for you to decide a few caribou and cranes need to die to feed America’s insatiable greed for oil. Back in the late ’70s Jimmy Carter tried to get this country on the path to self-sufficiency, but them Ron Reagan got in and proceeded to undo everything: regulation, CAFE standards, etc., all in the name of “free market” andd “trickle-down” economics. In fairness, Clinton didn’t really do much to help the situation either.

We are rapidly approaching this planet’s carrying capacity to sustain humans anyway, but then through on top this completely irresponsible reliance on hydocarbons which is really unarguably having an impact on climate….

But lets keep demonizing each other’s politics and arguing about wedge issues while populations continue to increase, the sea levels rise, and once cultivatable regions become deserts.

You know what, I say bring it on….if a few humans need to be displaced or die….

By Rational

August 13, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

I think we are in the process of proving that as a species we are not viable and do not deserve to survive. Mother Earth will recover and begin again. Hopefully with better results. Life will continue without us.

By moderate

August 13, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Hey ERic,

The issue here isn’t about the economy, it’s about the the executive branch disregarding or dodging all the checks and balances the system has to offer. If one administration can do it, so can subsequent ones. It’s a bit bigger than a few birds, court cases set precedences that will echo through the ages.

Before calling others retards, try a hand at critical thinking. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

By Poste Haste

August 13, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Rewriting scientific findings is as old as facism itself. During the Third Reich, splitting the atom was not Aryan enough for Hitler, and he hounded Jewish Scientists out of his country and let lesser German scientists mistate the results of experiments which were revealing the techniques to building a bomb.

Heisenberg was a German genius, yet he needed the Jewish exiles to make him understand exactly what the scale of fissionable material would be. He thought in terms of the size of a Volkswagon. The truth was the size of a tennis ball. So he gave up.

The Japs looked at it too, and estimated that it would take 150 years to produce enough fissionable material to build a bomb. The truth didn’t fit into their warlord mentality and their belief that their emperor was a god. Neither did radar fit, amazingly. The Japs fought ww2 without radar. That’s how our planes could creep up on their navy and sink it in battle after battle.

Any government who imposes an authoritarian constraints over the unpredictable path that science takes is an obsolete government.

Bush is conducting nothing short of a holy war on science, to the great pleasure of the evangelical right, and the vestiges of conservatism. Thus our progress as a nation wanders.

There was a repeat of an 2005 PBS special on Einstein last night and I kept going back and forth between it and the olympics. But, each time I see anything about Einstein I get a new revelation.

Einstein kept repeating this question: What would an observer see if he rode on a beam of light? He concluded that time would slow down or stop for the observer.

Well last night I realized that light itself is always riding on a beam of light, thus, time stands still for light. Light cannot have time. The observer is necessary for there to be measurable time and that measurement is always arbitrary and different for every observer.

WHat Einstein implied is that when MAN measures the speed of light, he always gets 186K miles per second. But to light itself as an entity, speed and distance is not relevent. Light doesn’t experience time, man does. Light is not moving. It’s fixed.

SO light cannot traverse space. It’s rather a part of space. Like our eyes are part of our brain, light is a part of a star that just extends out to infinity. Until it’s observed, no time passes, thus the concept of “the speed of light” is impossible. The a light year is a distance…. it’s measured in terms of our arbitrary year, but the year part is irrelevant. It’s the distance. That distance is only a small part of where the light actually extends to. It’s a small unit of the light that perpetually exists, like it was a fixed structure extending from a star to infinity, not a series of pulses or waves. The speed properties of light appear only when a man organizes an experiment using apparatus that he himself constructs.

There is no such thing as time. It’s a mental construct, like the universe having boundaries, or there being a pre-universe, or a time when there was no universe.

Thus, the universe was created when man first observed it. Until then it was only a quantum experimental possibility: The odds that there would be a god who would create a man to see his universe in a timeless void where time itself exists only in the mind of the created man.

Because we are here, creating time, means that there is a god. There is no time, however. We make that part up to explain existence and our passage through life. It’s the only way our minds can conceive reality, whatever that is. But we ourselves are always in the eternal present, whatever that is.

By Lynne

August 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

Washington Post: Job applicants who were rejected by the Justice Department because of improper political considerations will be urged to apply for open positions, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey told an audience yesterday.

Mukasey said that the hiring system at Justice had broken down and that department leaders had failed to supervise the behavior “of those who did wrong.”

So, it’s not a liberal conspiracy…it DID happen. The government is choosing to not prosecute but it is also not denying that anything went wrong either. Your post was entirely misleading! Not only did the Attorney General admit people were hired for political reasons but he is also giving people who were denied jobs the opportunity to apply for positions still open. It’s not everything the liberals wanted but it’s certainly NOT a win for conservatives who were naive enough to believe the administration was innocent in all this. This was NOT a declaration of innocence! You guys LOST - you just didn’t lose as big as you could have.

By Dusty

August 13, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

I was just wondering about the SUBJECT DE JOUR. How many endangered species have actually disappeared under the Bush Administration?? Is there not a poor bird,4 footed mammal or cold-blooded cutie left in this country?

According to Bookman, Godzie, etc. the USA is one barren land of weeds and wikiup warrens without a single breathing thing left but us Republican reprobates who hate anything non-human.

Unfortunately Democrats have survived but we cannot be responsible for such indiscretions. But Obama will take care of that. A big dose of Obama will rid the country of Demo influence and other wildlife species. It’s survival of the fittest and that is definitely..REPUBLICAN!

By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

By Lynne August 13, 2008 9:25 AM So, it’s not a liberal conspiracy…it DID happen.

Hush, fool:

The broadcast network evening newscasts, which didn’t care in 1993 about the Clinton administration’s decision to ask for the resignation of all 93 U.S. attorneys, went apoplectic Tuesday night in leading with the “controversy,” fed by the media, over the Bush administration for replacing eight U.S. attorneys in late 2006

You libs are small and inconsequential, like a flock of idiot blackbirds nattering mindlessly at each other.

Go.

On.

By Swampdawg

August 13, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

I think Bookman, Tucker and Shipp are Deep Rooted Liberals! Is that the reason the AJC is losing sales everyday?

By Jason

August 13, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

I formally request that this poster (AJC/DNC Management) AKA “captain white supremacy” placed on the Mexico side of the border fence when it’s all complete and policed with machine guns to keep out “undesirables”.

Seriously, what an ignorant whiny child. IF you don’t like America so much, why don’t you go back where you came from? My guess would be that you’re somewhere from Europe (your own family, whom you actively despise). We, in America, surely don’t want you here spewing hate on the rest of our fellow Americans, acting like a parrot. Sqwack! Liberals r scum! Polly wants to lynch people for being too educated! Sqwack!

Education helps when talking about things like ANWR too. Sure, if it came down to some animals and people, I choose people. That’s called a Straw-Man argument. Google it. It’s a false choice. Reality is that oil companies own the rights to drill over 95 percent of Alaska, BUT they AREN’T drilling it. Why? No oil. If you know anything at all whatsoever about the Pil industry, then you know that you don’t drill unless you already know the expense will pay off.

The ANWR argument is purely a political football designed to make it appear as if “liberal tree huggers” are the enemy getting in the way of vast untapped reserves of oil that are the very reason our soliders have to be in Iraq and gas is so expensive. If you think that, check yourself into a loony bin. If they aren’t drilling anywhere near ANWR, what makes you think that one little sliver of river valley has all the effing oil to save us? Let’s see the geological survey that supports that idea! Man, you people are total Suckers. All you gotta do is put up someone to blame you all agree to hate on. Intelligence and facts go flyin’ out the window. Yeah! Let’s drill our way to energy independence with our 3 percent of world oil reserves, Sqwack! It’s all located in ANWR, under a gay liberal caribou and two feminist cranes! Sqwack!

The Brits have a nice saying about the US. “America always does the right thing, once every other possibility has been exhausted.” So, for most of us, our hearts are in the right place, at least. The ones I am ridiculing here, don’t have that distinction. Just hating bigots who can’t be bothered to know the truth about anything that interferes with said bigotry.

By Marc

August 13, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Please get to the point. What does the law REQUIRE? It would seem that losing 77 out of 78 court cases would establish a pattern. Why isn’t there a court ruling that punishes the lawless, or creates a blanket restraining order, or a mandate for the administration? Journalists: Please ask the tougher (obvious) questions!

By scrappy

August 13, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

AJC/DNC Management - You Hush, you annoying fool.

Look at me, I can copy and paste into a blog, yeah me! Way to go AJC! You mastered that feature.

Try commenting about the actual subject and stop taking up space, you are ruining the blog space.

By theword liberal

August 13, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Have you noticed it the first post something like “blah blah blah” Something about a “Queen Plinko” and the “Urinal/DNC”? It is apparent that this person obviously can’t stick to the substance of this article, and that they don’t really have anything constructive to add to the conversation. More over, they probably don’t have anything constructive, or positive to add to this planet at all. Remember “AJC/DNC Management”, you’re not that witty, and one wants to hear your tired “Liberals Liberals Liberals” rant. Thanks for playing.

By Atlanta doesn't think like this I hope

August 13, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

If a few Caribou or Cranes need to be displaced or die, well then I guess they need to die.

I’m no treehugger, but I do believe we are to respect and protect our land. If we have people like the commenter, Pete, take over our country, then we would never enjoy our clean water, national parks and low pollution air. Pete, you should go to a third world country like India and see where not caring about pollution or the environment is like. You will wake up every morning and find soot in your nose, which will run every day. And be thankful that we have clean running tap water. I pray our leaders will put pipelines in place, in an environmentally friendly way.

By ByteMe

August 13, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

@Dusty, try not to be stupid. Your comment “I was just wondering about the SUBJECT DE JOUR. How many endangered species have actually disappeared under the Bush Administration?? ” is amazingly ignorant about how “extinct” works. Or maybe you understood that extinction takes a period of time when you don’t see the animal or plant anywhere before you can say that it’ll never be seen again. There’s a group of historical curators called the Committee on Recently Extinct Organisms which has proposed waiting 50 years since the last sighting of a species before declaring it “extinct”, since just because it’s hiding today doesn’t mean it’s not anywhere in the world. So, like the term “recession”, we have to wait a while and look back before claiming something is “extinct”.

So was your question unintentionally ignorant or just intentionally stupid?

It’s like claiming that “there’s no global warming” because today is a cooler than normal day. What I would expect from stupid people. Don’t do stupid, it’s unbecoming.

By @@

August 13, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Jay:

It never ceases to amaze me how presumptuous is mankind to think that we can micromanage something as complex as our environment. Critters operate on instinct, possessing an uncanny ability to adapt.

Enter into this equation, a thinking mankind and you end up with this:

In 1922, Margaret Sanger (Planned Parenthood founder) said that if society applied to reproduction the techniques employed by “modern stock-breeders,” there would be no need for measures that were “fostering the good-for-nothings at the expense of the good.” She suggested that parents should have to “apply” for babies, just as immigrants had to apply for visas to enter the country. Those “foreigners,” she complained, were ignorant of hygiene and the conditions of modern life. They filled the slums and made the cities wretched.

Her solution? Micromanage “the wretched” that endanger the superior European species. Cull the herds of the weaker specimens.

Abort! Abort! Abort!

Is that what the democratic party calls “Wildlife Management?”

By Bud Wiser

August 13, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

To Jason at 915am….at least I am smart enough to be able to spell my words correctly, or if not, then use the nice spell check feature on my computer.

You are yet another moronic toad of the left, no doubt partially only educated in public schools. Do you get lost when you don’t have Mommy or the Huffington Pus to tell you what to say? You are a complete idiot. And, it is morons like you that should be looking o take up residence in places like, say, France, or Lebanon, where your lack of total brain function will let you fit right in with the rest of the socialist anti-American tools.

You make me laugh, you are so stupid!

By AJC/DNC Management

August 13, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Jay: Just curious, how many of these mindless and whiny liberal comments this morning are from the same person under a different name?

By Taxpayer

August 13, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Losing 77 out of 78 cases establishes quite a few patterns — none of them “good”. Then again, when has that ever stopped a “mad man”.

By Paul

August 13, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Regarding today’s column:

Looking at this as a matter of principles of law (and not getting muddied up with the emotional “endangered species” aspect) what we see from the column is:

The Bush Administration did not like elements of a law and did not seek legislative (thru Congress) remedies.

The Administration attempted to get its way by altering procedures (rewriting findings).

Courts consistently rejected this method (yeah, and does one really have to hit oneself in the head with a hammer 77 times to realize it’s not producing the desired outcome of making yourself feel better?).

The Administration finally realized there was another avenue of law open – what is characterized as a “rule change.”

Quick review – in the US system, law is not created solely by Legislative action, agreed to by the Executive and upheld by the Court. Generally, law is created three ways:

  • Statutes enacted by the legislative branch create “statutory law.”
  • Court decisions made by the judicial branch create “case law.”
  • Regulations promulgated by the executive branch create “administrative law.”
  • So the Administration is not simply “ignoring” law. It’s creating it. Lots of people don’t like the idea that regulations issued by the Executive are law, equal to law created by the Legislative, but “don’t like” doesn’t matter. Try telling the Treasury you don’t like some of the “stupid rules” they make and you won’t follow them because they weren’t “law passed by Congress.” You’ll get fined and could go to jail. People especially don’t like it when it involves highly emotional specifics, such as the Endangered Species Act.

    So if Congress doesn’t like it, they can hold hearings and begin the statutory law process. If they have any time for additional hearings, that is, given they’re still fixated on what the Administration did six years ago.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

    Dear ByteMe @10:14.

    Liberal Heart Worm, I am so sorry that I forgot to wait 50 years before asking if something was extinct. I assume you are working under the rules of pomposity which I find a bit heavy to follow. But your generous display of that virtue is something to behold.

    But, may I remind you that it does not take 50 years to be rid of many things. In fact, at the end of this year we will see the end of Obamania and wistful songs will be sung remembering the extinct and perilous promises of that era. How graceful he was!! How well he read his speeches! Those big brown eyes!! Ah yes, those were the good old Demo days!!

    Well, kumbaya, dear Bitterbyte. May you last for 50 years, if anybody can put up with you for that long.

    By theword liberal

    August 13, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

    Yeah! Go Back to “France”. Eww. the “French” They make me sick. I never want to eat another French Fry in my LIFE! I know. I’ll change the Name of them to “Freedom Fries”. What stupidity.

    By Taxpayer

    August 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

    Yes, Paul, and the courts are there to round out that system of checks and balances. Further, there’s clearly more that needs to be addressed here than the issue of hitting oneself over the head 77 times before deciding to try something different. The Executive branch does have certain powers to establish rules under certain circumstances but not as a matter of circumventing the desires of the population as a whole by making up one’s own “truths” as needed or by bypassing the Legislative branch. Such actions are those of a Monarchy or other equally non-US form of governance. Bush is just using a different hammer this time around in his never-ending struggle to have everything his way — the spoiled brat.

    By ByteMe

    August 13, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

    Poor Dusty, still confused.

    You didn’t ask if something was extinct. You asked for what had become extinct during the Bush administration, which isn’t (yet) extinct itself. You need to wait longer than that before you can ask something as definitive as that, but I guess you can’t even hold your train of thought long enough to keep on topic, so maybe the whole “waiting long enough” thing isn’t for you. Please don’t drive.

    But back to topic: I find it curious that the same people who want illegals to be deported because of “rule of law” are ok with this administration NOT upholding the “rule of law” by not following the Act as enacted just because they don’t agree with the Act as enacted.

    By Paul

    August 13, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

    Taxpayer

    As I said, many people have difficulty with the concept of “Administrative Law,” especially when the case specifics involves items of emotional attachment.

    As far as “non-US form of governance” it is in actuality distinctly a US form of governance. It’s simply one aspect of the “co-equal” status of the branches.

    Many local colleges have courses available in Administrative Law. You will likely find the first couple of weeks filled with students raising their hands and saying “yeah, but…”

    By GMAN

    August 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

    Have you seen the ad about the 3am phone call to the White House. The phone rings 4 times and then the camera pans and shows Old Man McCain still sleeping.

    John McCain is so old, when he sneezes he sneezes dust!

    GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!

    By @@

    August 13, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

    Jay: Just curious, how many of these mindless and whiny liberal comments this morning are from the same person under a different name?

    I’ve come to realize that that is a question the AJC columnists don’t want to answer for fear that these blogs would become extinct.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

    Dear ByteMe,10:48

    Still flunting the old pomposity. I see that is not extinct yet.

    It seems that you cannot tell me what flora or fauna is “played out, not seen, undiscoverable, gone, fossilized, deceased, ‘dodod’, buried, cremated, fished out, covered over, scaped away, smoked, poisoned, drowned, flooded, doomed by dams, polluted, or pattycaked” by the Bush Administration.

    How about answering that question before you pontificate again. And don’t wait 50 years.

    By AJC/DNC Management

    August 13, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

    By @@ August 13, 2008 10:57 AM I’ve come to realize that that is a question the AJC columnists don’t want to answer for fear that these blogs would become extinct.

    Notice how “they” “all” scurried away right after I asked?

    By JAY BOOKMAN

    August 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

    To @@:

    Contrary to your assertion, I’ve been very upfront and evenhanded in exposing that when I see it.

    I’ve checked. I see no evidence of it in this thread.

    By Taxpayer

    August 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

    Paul,

    Please stop showing me your lack of reading comprehension by twisting the meaning of a selection of my words.

    Now, you can continue hitting yourself on the head until you have proven to yourself that you are Bush’s equal — except for the spoiled brat part since I do not know enough about you to make that determination yet. Keep typing and we’ll see how that goes. By the way, did you make D’s at Harvard…Yale…

    Now, please, do you really consider your lame attempt at an insult to be “clever”.

    By Paul

    August 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

    Just heard on the news – and found an article illustrating this topic, except it had to do with the Clinton Administration “ramming through” a rule and finally getting overturned by the Judiciary (please, no repeats of King Bill, the Monarchy, another example of Clinton ignoring the law or not making a serious effort to rewrite the law).

    Link: Wyoming Federal Judge overturns a Clinton ban

    Note: this isn’t another “well, look at what Clinton did” retort. It’s to illustrate this is a function of the Executive, regardless of which Party holds power.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

    GMAN

    Obama is so inexperiened he pulls straws to see how to vote in the Senate. Short straw for yes and long straw for no.

    One day he dropped his straws. He hasn’t been around to vote since then.

    By ByteMe

    August 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

    Dusty: you state the same thing over and over without actually responding to anything being put forth. Makes you look stupid, even when you try to use big words to get around having no clear ideas.

    By Taxpayer

    August 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

    Paul,

    You don’t make the rules. You merely demonstrate a strong urge to do so. Have fun with that.

    By Paul

    August 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

    Taxpayer

    I was trying to point out your initial response did not indicate an acceptance of the principles of Administrative Law or the rights of the Executive. I then stated that college-level classes, even targeted for those not pursuing a law degree (as the topic affects thousands whose careers involve AL) exist and that a continuing phenomena for many classes is the inordinate amount of time teachers spend convincing skeptical students there is such a thing as AL and that the Executive, and Federal Agencies, can create law.

    By Bif

    August 13, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

    The comments here are depressing.

    No American should be above our laws, that is simple. In this case, anyone who argues otherwise is placing their loyalty to their party above that of their country and that is treasonous. If you disagree with the process of the endangered species act, that is fine, but to disregard it is to disregard all laws, the result is a break down in the system and its ultimate failure.

    What I find odd here is the repub’s act as if they are doing whatever is necessary to protect the economy.

    Is that the same economy they trashed over the last eight years? The borrow and spend republicans have devalued the dollar to the point where most Americans have less spending power than they did eight years ago. 70% of Americans who purchased homes in the last five years owe more than they are worth. We just bailed out a bunch of corporate executives and banks so they are not responsible for dangerous lending practices while doing close to nothing for the responsible homeowners who are seeing their financial security damaged irrevocably. The whole mess gets financed by taxpayers who will shoulder a huge burden as they pay off the ridiculous national debt for generations.

    The price of gas in the US has increased 4x in the same amount of time that it has increased 2x in Europe.

    So, how is the bridge to nowhere going to get us out of this?

    If you are still a republican, what is it that you believe in?

    Over the last eight years, republicans have grown the size of government more than in any time in the history of the nation. They have propped up failing “free market” institutions. They have started the first preemptive war in the history of the country (to be fair the idiot democrats helped) and funded it with out of budget emergency funds. Instead of asking for American sacrifice to fund the war, they asked us to go shopping to keep the corporate wheels spinning. As if the billions of artificial funds pumped into the pockets of defense contractors was not enough.

    If you look at the history of deficit spending in America, Republicans lead the charge.

    If you are actually conservative, believe in balanced budgets, small government, and no intrusion into the private lives of Americans, the republican party does NOT represent you. Stop treating the failed republican institution like it is your favorite sports team. They have betrayed us and no longer deserve a true conservatives attention.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

    Dear Jay Bookman,

    I know what @@ means. All liberals sound alike. It is hard to believe there is more than one. But you tell us it aint so. OK. This thread is all sewed up..

    You do run a nice, clean blog with very few skids into the mud. That is commendable…

    By ByteMe

    August 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

    @Paul, I see what you are saying. But doesn’t it speak to the lack of power the executive has to ignore the law that the judiciary comes along behind and says “no, no ,no”?

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe@11:21

    Stuffy, honey. Stick a pin it..

    By @@

    August 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

    Poor Paul.

    There’s only one solution for “man eaters” who prowl the Bush. Aside from the one solution, you could put ‘em in a zoo I guess.

    Hang in there buddy.

    I’m just guessing here, but would it be safe to say that the rewards for your efforts are frequent but unrealized by your intended targets?

    By AJC/DNC Management

    August 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

    By JAY BOOKMAN August 13, 2008 11:14 AM To @@: Contrary to your assertion, I’ve been very upfront and evenhanded in exposing that when I see it. I’ve checked. I see no evidence of it in this thread.

    @@: Somebody missed the dual purpose aspect of my original question, a) exposing the one person trying to make all of the Pinko Nation look like a whiny bunch of mentally defective losers or, b) exposing all of the Pinko Nation as a whiny bunch of mentally defective losers.

    So we have settled on b).

    Whine away, you dimwits.

    By Paul

    August 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

    ByteMe

    There’s a constant interplay for power between the Legislative and Executive - they both do it regardless of Party. But as the Clinton link demonstrated, the Executive can’t simply issue a rule that conflicts with other law. In fact, many of the ‘rules’ are issued to flesh out statutory law and the court challenges result when someone thinks the ‘rule’ went too far, or not far enough. But in the Clinton cite, the court said “hey guys, your rule violated a couple other statutory laws.”

    Which is why I think Kempthorne spoke of a “narrow” ruling. My guess is their legal department were finally careful in crafting a rule that would give them what they wanted without conflicting with existing law. Challenges may result, but as I said, if Congress only had the time to modify the statute…

    By GMAN

    August 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

    John McCain is so old and stupid, he spent twenty minutes looking at an orange juice box because it said “concentrate”.

    GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!

    By Paul

    August 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

    @@ 11:33

    Yeah, it is. But as was pointed out, many people read and never comment. So the audience is large.

    I was having a discussion with a guy once, okay, more of an argument, when he said a couple things that changed how I saw the situation. I said, “you know, I see your point. You’re right about that - hadn’t thought of it that way before.”

    He kept on arguing against my original position.

    SIgh -

    out for errands -

    By wesley ross

    August 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

    Jay Bookman: I’d like to see a piece on the Atty. General’s conclusion that breaking some laws is no cause for prosecution, re. the JD firings & political hiring practices of the Bush Justice Department.

    By GMAN

    August 13, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

    John McCain is so old and stupid, he thought Grape Nuts was an STD.

    GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!

    By AJC/DNC Management

    August 13, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

    Aahhh, yes, “global warming:”

    August is the wettest and often the muggiest month of the year. Yet, summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has dominated much of the 21st Century’s opening decade. There have been only 162 days 90 degrees or warmer in Chicago over the period from 2000 to 2008. That’s by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of any decade on record here since 1930.

    65 degrees tonite for the Cubbies at the Ted, why, they’ll feel right at home.

    By ByteMe

    August 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

    @Paul, but as we’ve seen from even the Justice Department thinking that certain torture was “ok” under all the treaties and laws we had already in place, I’m not sure that Kempthorne is the best judge of whether their “rule change” isn’t really just “we’re just going to ignore the law because we can and because we want to be sure to reward those who made 8 years of really great food and interesting travel possible”.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

    GMAN

    When Obama found out he had won a place in the Senate, he went out and bought a whoopee cushion for his new seat.

    By RW-(the original)

    August 13, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

    Talk about an endangered specis

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Mrs. G.,

    Be careful what you wish for. If you get the Bush administration listed as endangered you’ll never be able to move them out.

    Corporal,

    Roe v Wade is a court decision, it was never passed which is one of the reasons it remains so controversial.

    Jay B,

    Do you have a single source where one might take a look at those 78 cases?

    By the way, John Paul Stevens was appointed by a Republican so that’s a silly argument, but it could also be used as an argument that Republican appointed judges go by the rule of law and by implication Democrat appointees are likely to do anything.

    Paul,

    You seem to be a very patient person, but explaining administrative law to these moonbat(ic)s® is a task even you might not be patient enough to do. Sooner or later you’ll figure out that the liberal mind’s ability to grasp reality is truly endangered.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

    GMAN

    Obama has so much experience as “Community Organizer” that he demanded that Meals-on-Wheels deliver lunch to 90 year old Democratic Senator Robert Byrd.

    Obama also wanted to “reorganize” the furniture in the Senate but Republicans refused to meet outdoors.

    By "The Corporal"

    August 13, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

    I know that Roe vs. Wade was passed about the same time (1973). Are unborn babies covered under the “Endangered Species Act”? I guess they left that out.

    By @@

    August 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

    JAY BOOKMAN: Thanks for your reply. You really do seem like a nice guy — too nice to beassociated with what passes for progressive intelligence here. I’m not surprised that you were once a Republican.

    AJC/DNC Mgmt.:

    It’s the leftist herd mentality. One alpha pinko, the rest are members of “the pride.”

    Paul:

    He kept on arguing against my original position.

    So in his backtracking he missed feeding on the “caucus” that was laid before him.

    By @@

    August 13, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

    Dangit! Put a space between “be” and “associated”.

    IHB

    By Poste Haste

    August 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

    Yes, RW, everyone here admires your admission that Roe vs Wade came far, far too late to prevent this blog’s pest from being, but I do think it’s sad about whatever efforts your mum took on her own behalf that left such a horrible scar on you when she tried to save the world from such a bad seed and stop it’s coming to fruition. (castor oil?). So I think a statue in her honor is fitting and proper.

    To address Bookman’s topic: Conservative revisionist’s science allows for the enrichment of uranium using rocket tubes. GOP evangelical Science (conservatism), also allows for WMD’s to be stored in active dairy farms and kindergardens, (thank you blurry satellite intel).

    The fact is that if conservatives dont like a scientific principle, like gravity, they simply mispell it, as Hannity, and believe it as fact.

    Obama 08: America takes over.

    BTW: I’ve been doing all these “Obama 08: America4America” slogans for months now, and nearly every slogan I come up with has some sort of reference to the fact that Obama represents the real american people and the Bush/GOP is not American, but foreign owing.

    So, did you get a load of the latest GOP ads? Questioning Obama’s Americanism and affirming McFeign’s.

    It’s hard not to get a big head. I know many of you like to think of yourselves as having a fan base or even an objective audience, but……

    Dont try to be me. Be yourselves, and maybe you’ll progress beyond the hackmaggot stage, and come up with a truth that real pundits will find irresistible. Dusty is the only one worthy of any attention, but she’s hit and miss, her non-wormy comments are rare, (she thinks she has to perform at my level, which she doesn’t have to, nobody wants refried beans, or yesterday’s papers), and a patient lurker has to wait a long time for anything good, thus most give up.

    And I think it’s a damn shame.

    By Mrs. Godzilla

    August 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

    Somebody was looking for this earlier….

    Human Activities Wiping Out Three Species Every Hour

    By RW-(the original)

    August 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

    Polly,

    Have you ever noticed………………

    BWAHAHA

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Oh good, in the ever shifting position of The Dunce he’s finally settled on who is to blame for the Russian incursion into Georgia.

    It’s McBushie’s fault!

    I understand that Rice wants to spin this for Obama, but even this is flat-out ridiculous. McCain didn’t “shoot from the hip” — unlike Obama, he actually knew the situation and understood its implications. In fact, one need look no further for confirmation of this than Obama’s later statements, in which he agreed with McCain’s original statement on the subject.

    Barack Obama apparently doesn’t understand the full range of diplomacy, nor did he have a clue as to the situation in Georgia. He wasn’t prepared to handle this crisis, as his first statements showed. John McCain understands Russia better than most people in Washington, and had diagnosed Russian intentions in the Caucasus and elsewhere years before Russian tanks rolled across the border into Georgia. Blaming McCain for getting it right represents a new low in desperation from Team Obama, especially while at the same time praising Obama for finally catching up to McCain.

    In fairness to The Dunce it takes a while to get input from your 300 foreign policy advisers.

    By GMAN

    August 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

    John McCain is so old and stupid, if you gave him a penny for his thoughts you’d get change!

    GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!

    By ByteMe

    August 13, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

    @Corporal: of course they’re not covered. They’re clearly NOT endangered species, since there are so many of them.

    By GMAN

    August 13, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

    John McCain is so old and stupid, you can tell when he’s used the computer because there’s White Out all over the screen!

    GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!

    By RW-(the original)

    August 13, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

    Required To Volunteer?

    Many of those who received tickets told 7NEWS they have come with a caveat.

    Those viewers said the campaign told them they must volunteer six hours for the campaign by Friday in order to get a ticket.

    According to the Obumbler campaign you only have to volunteer if you want “all star” tickets.

    What did he charge the Germans?

    By "The Corporal"

    August 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

    To ByteMe:

    Thanks so much for clearing that up.

    How about “animal cruelty laws” ?? You know, because they don’t sedate them before they rip them apart in the womb.

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

    Obama is so lacking and stupid that he asked his pastor which dam he meant, Hoover or Norris?

    Obama got to worrying one day so he asked Michelle: “Am I the one thing you found in America that you like?” (She hasn’t answered yet.)

    By "The Corporal"

    August 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

    To Byteme:

    Thanks “so much” for clearing that up. Your wisdom astounds me.

    But what about “animal cruelty” laws since they aren’t given sedation when they are ripped apart in the womb?

    By Paul Anderson

    August 13, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

    ByteMe 12:07

    My understanding is the Justice Department sought to allow certain narrow practices under existing statute. Was different from “rules” or “law.” But to the rest of your post, I’d hazard a guess that many, many such rules result because a Federal agency wants their way on something and, this is important – there isn’t a law on the books preventing it.

    RW-(the original)

    It occurred to me, after I’d written many students in Administrative Law classes spend several classes and chapters trying to get their minds around the concept, that the astonishment exhibited by some here is really quite understandable. After a steady eight years of hearing “King George/fascist usurper/ignores the Rule of Law/establish a totalitarian state” it makes sense they wouldn’t view such cases as the normal give-and-take between the branches using powers and procedures that are quite Constitutional. Or that eight years of conditioning would change in one morning.

    Your 1:26 – then you’ll chuckle at this:

    Link: What happens when you have 300 advisors

    By Dusty

    August 13, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

    Obama got so mixed up on Georgia he didn’t know whether Russia was coming thru North Carolina or South Carolina.

    His Dem advisors didn’t know either. They thought it was Florida.

    By @@

    August 13, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

    Oh nooooooooo Paul. The libs will be looking your address up in the phone book now. I’ve witnessed it before. You best arm yourself with something other than cooking utensils.

    P.A. System — Public Address.

    By martinchill

    August 13, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this

    “UPDATE: Arkansas Democratic Party chairman Bill Gwatney has died from gunshot wounds.”

    ~~~

    “John McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

    The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann’s personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.”

    ~~~

    “Former Secretary of State Colin Powell will endorse Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, Weekly Standard Publisher Bill Kristol told FOX News exclusively…”

    ~~~

    “DENVER (CBS4) ― CBS4 News has learned if mass arrests happen at the Democratic Convention, those taken into custody will be jailed in a warehouse owned by the City of Denver. Investigator Rick Sallinger discovered the location and managed to get inside for a look.

    The newly created lockup is on the northeast side of Denver. Protesters have already given this place a name: “Gitmo on the Platte.”

    “This is a secured environment,” Capt. Frank Gale of the Denver Sheriff’s Department told CBS4. “We’re concerned about how that’s going to be utilized by people who will be potentially disruptive.”

    Each of the fenced areas is about 5 yards by 5 yards and there is a lock on the door. A sign on the wall reads “Warning! Electric stun devices used in this facility.”

    “That’s how you treat cattle,” said Adam Jung of the group Tent State University. “You showed the sign where it said stun gun in use and you just change the word gun for bolt and it’s a meat processing plant.”

    The plans were to keep this lockup a secret, at least for now. The sheriff’s department said late Tuesday the mayor’s office would be releasing a statement about it early next week.

    (this story will give AJC/DNC an unbearable boner)

    ~~~

    “Less than two weeks before the Democratic National Convention a man has been found dead in a Denver hotel room with a container of what authorities initially suspect to be the deadly poison cyanide.

    Adding to the intrigue is that the dead man, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, appears to be from outside the U.S. No passport was found on Dirie, who is believed to have entered the country from Canada.”

    (now bud wiser has a stiffy, too!)

    ~~~

    “One of the 14 girls who will compete on the new season of America’s Next Top Model - which returns to The CW on September 3 - is transgender.

    “My cards were dealt differently,” Isis, a 22-year-old former receptionist, tells Us Weekly exclusively in its new issue, on newsstands now.

    Hailing from Prince George’s County, Maryland, Isis identifies herself as “a woman born physically male.”

    (so much for those boners, boys…)

    ~~~

    By martinchill

    August 13, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

    “UPDATE: Arkansas Democratic Party chairman Bill Gwatney has died from gunshot wounds.”

    ~~~

    “John McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

    The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann’s personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.”

    ~~~

    “Former Secretary of State Colin Powell will endorse Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, Weekly Standard Publisher Bill Kristol told FOX News exclusively…”

    ~~~

    “Sen. Pat Roberts (KS) is now the eighth Republican senator to announce that they will not attend the GOP Convention in St. Paul, Minn., next month.”

    ~~~

    “DENVER (CBS4) ― CBS4 News has learned if mass arrests happen at the Democratic Convention, those taken into custody will be jailed in a warehouse owned by the City of Denver. Investigator Rick Sallinger discovered the location and managed to get inside for a look.

    The newly created lockup is on the northeast side of Denver. Protesters have already given this place a name: “Gitmo on the Platte.”

    “This is a secured environment,” Capt. Frank Gale of the Denver Sheriff’s Department told CBS4. “We’re concerned about how that’s going to be utilized by people who will be potentially disruptive.”

    Each of the fenced areas is about 5 yards by 5 yards and there is a lock on the door. A sign on the wall reads “Warning! Electric stun devices used in this facility.”

    “That’s how you treat cattle,” said Adam Jung of the group Tent State University. “You showed the sign where it said stun gun in use and you just change the word gun for bolt and it’s a meat processing plant.”

    The plans were to keep this lockup a secret, at least for now. The sheriff’s department said late Tuesday the mayor’s office would be releasing a statement about it early next week.

    (this story will give AJC/DNC an unbearable boner)

    ~~~

    “Less than two weeks before the Democratic National Convention a man has been found dead in a Denver hotel room with a container of what authorities initially suspect to be the deadly poison cyanide.

    Adding to the intrigue is that the dead man, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, appears to be from outside the U.S. No passport was found on Dirie, who is believed to have entered the country from Canada.”

    (now bud wiser has a stiffy, too!)

    ~~~

    “One of the 14 girls who will compete on the new season of America’s Next Top Model - which returns to The CW on September 3 - is transgender.

    “My cards were dealt differently,” Isis, a 22-year-old former receptionist, tells Us Weekly exclusively in its new issue, on newsstands now.

    Hailing from Prince George’s County, Maryland, Isis identifies herself as “a woman born physically male.”

    (so much for those boners, boys…)

    By Lamb

    September 15, 2008 1:44 AM | Link to this

    Check this out from an Australian paper. Too bad to have to go down under for the truth about the American economy crashing. Ready for more of the same from McCain? Do you really think we can afford more neocon wars?

    **Iraq war ‘caused slowdown in the US’

    Peter Wilson, Europe correspondent | February 28, 2008

    THE Iraq war has cost the US 50-60 times more than the Bush administration predicted and was a central cause of the sub-prime banking crisis threatening the world economy, according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

    The former World Bank vice-president yesterday said the war had, so far, cost the US something like $US3trillion ($3.3 trillion) compared with the $US50-$US60-billion predicted in 2003.

    Australia also faced a real bill much greater than the $2.2billion in military spending reported last week by Australian Defence Force chief Angus Houston, Professor Stiglitz said, pointing to higher oil prices and other indirect costs of the wars.

    Professor Stiglitz told the Chatham House think tank in London that the Bush White House was currently estimating the cost of the war at about $US500 billion, but that figure massively understated things such as the medical and welfare costs of US military servicemen.

    The war was now the second-most expensive in US history after World War II and the second-longest after Vietnam, he said.

    The spending on Iraq was a hidden cause of the current credit crunch because the US central bank responded to the massive financial drain of the war by flooding the American economy with cheap credit.

    “The regulators were looking the other way and money was being lent to anybody this side of a life-support system,” he said.

    That led to a housing bubble and a consumption boom, and the fallout was plunging the US economy into recession and saddling the next US president with the biggest budget deficit in history, he said.

    Professor Stiglitz, an academic at the Columbia Business School and a former economic adviser to president Bill Clinton, said a further $US500 billion was going to be spent on the fighting in the next two years and that could have been used more effectively to improve the security and quality of life of Americans and the rest of the world.

    The money being spent on the war each week would be enough to wipe out illiteracy around the world, he said.

    Just a few days’ funding would be enough to provide health insurance for US children who were not covered, he said.

    The public had been encouraged by the White House to ignore the costs of the war because of the belief that the war would somehow pay for itself or be paid for by Iraqi oil or US allies.

    “When the Bush administration went to war in Iraq it obviously didn’t focus very much on the cost. Larry Lindsey, the chief economic adviser, said the cost was going to be between $US100billion and $US200 billion - and for that slight moment of quasi-honesty he was fired.

    “(Then defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld responded and said ‘baloney’, and the number the administration came up with was $US50 to $US60 billion. We have calculated that the cost was more like $US3 trillion.

    “Three trillion is a very conservative number, the true costs are likely to be much larger than that.”

    Five years after the war, the US was still spending about $US50billion every three months on direct military costs, he said.

    Professor Stiglitz and another Clinton administration economist, Linda Bilmes, have produced a book, The Three Trillion Dollar War, pulling together their research on the true cost of the war, which does not include the cost to Iraq.

    One of the greatest discrepancies is that the official figures do not include the long-term healthcare and social benefits for injured servicemen, who are surviving previously fatal attacks because of improved body armour.

    “The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1.”

    Some 100,000 servicemen have been diagnosed with serious psychological problems and the soldiers doing the most tours of duty have not yet returned.

    Professor Stiglitz attributed to the Iraq war $US5-$US10 of the almost $US80-a-barrel increase in oil prices since the start of the war, adding that it would have been reasonable to attribute more than $US35 of that rise to the war.

    He said the British bill for its role in the war was about 20 times the pound stg. 1billion ($2.1 billion) that former prime minister Tony Blair estimated before the war.

    The British Government was yesterday ordered to release details of its planning for the war, when the country’s Information Commissioner backed a Freedom of Information request for the minutes of two cabinet meetings in the days before the war.

    Commissioner Richard Thomas said that because of the importance of the decision to go to war, the public interest in disclosing the minutes outweighed the public interest in withholding the information.**

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