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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Note to readers: Jay Bookman wrote this entry before he went on vacation and you are invited to comment on it.
Barack Obama’s nine-day international extravaganza enters its European phase today, with a scheduled speech in Berlin expected to draw thousands of enthusiastic Germans.
In fact, in a recent Gallup Poll, 62 percent of Germans said that if given the chance, they would vote for Obama as president, while only 10 percent would vote for John McCain. Polling in Britain —- 60 percent vs. 15 percent —- and France —- 64 percent vs. 4 percent —- produces similar levels of support for Obama.
That doesn’t mean a lot, of course. The senator from Illinois is running for president of the United States, not president of Europe. Americans will make their own decisions about whether he or McCain belongs in the White House, and they have the votes that count.
Still, it will be interesting to see America’s reaction to Europe’s reaction. For some Americans, Obama’s popularity overseas will only confirm their suspicions of him as somehow less than authentically American. McCain’s campaign has been hinting at that line of attack for weeks, hoping it will blunt the impact of televised scenes of Obamania an ocean away.
On the other hand, electing a U.S. president who was more popular in other countries than their own elected leaders would have some practical advantages. For example, a German chancellor, French president or British prime minister would find it a lot easier to support American policies if they’re championed by a president who happens to be popular with their folks back home. We’ve seen the opposite phenomenon for years, with international antipathy to President Bush costing us support from countries that might otherwise be allies.
However, the most important message sent by the strong support for Obama in Europe and around the world doesn’t really involve Obama himself. It involves how the rest of the world still sees our country and its role in the world.
Obama is not the president of the United States; he is only a candidate for president. And yet thousands of people in other countries are turning out to see him and hear him. It’s safe to say that no leader of another country, no matter how charismatic, would be able to draw crowds like that. If he was Barack Obama, leader of Britain’s Labor Party, thousands of Germans would not be turning out to hear him speak.
That says something very important about the United States of America and its importance in world affairs. Our reputation has suffered a lot, as Americans who have traveled abroad can testify. But the excitement generated by Obama suggests that the damage to our reputation and moral authority does not need to be permanent, no matter who we decide to elect as president.
People around the world still place a lot of hope in the United States, but they want us to live up to the standards we preach. They want us to be who we claim to be —- our better selves. They want to be our partners and allies; they want to respect and even admire our country.
Part of the recent anger, even hatred, directed at America can be explained by the fact that too often we have betrayed those expectations. If Saudi Arabia, Syria or China tortures prisoners, few people are surprised or even outraged. But when a nation that has traditionally stressed the centrality of human rights and that led the world in negotiating the Geneva Accords decides to violate its own principles by indulging in torture, the sense of betrayal is very real.
So when we see the rest of the world excited by Obama’s candidacy, it’s less about Obama as an individual than Obama as a symbol of an America whose leadership and friendship they might once again trust. The less charismatic, less youthful McCain might have to work harder to restore that faith in America, but it would certainly not be beyond his capacity.
Our friends are hungry for an America worthy of global leadership; our enemies are fearful of that America. Regardless of who becomes president, we ought to try to be that America once again.
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By Off topic
July 24, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this
Sorry, this is off topic, but here goes … At what point does the AJC do something about the Falcons blog? I wrote to Julia Wallace a year ago about the infrequent updates. She said it would be discussed. There seemed to be an improvement. However, unlike EVERY OTHER BLOG on the ajc, commenting is open for a couple of hours and then closed. OR like the most recent one, it never opens at all. Pathetic. This has to be Wyche, right? When will someone at the AJC demand better performance from this guy? I would have posted this on the Falcons blog, but, of course I CAN’T.
By FlaLady
July 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this
The rest of the world is excited by Obama’s candidacy because they, like us, know nothing about him except for his socialistic proclivities. Most of the world would also like to see the U.S. stripped of its power, so take their blind adoration with a grain of salt. My opinion: they want him, they can have him.
By hillbilly ragger
July 24, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Nice perspective; yes, this is bigger than just Obama.
And yeah, it’d be nice to have a President who didn’t go out of his way to appear incompatible with much of the civilized world. Alas, our geography combined with a strain of political pandering to xenophobes dating back a long, long time, has conspired to make us more insular than we ought to be.
Put short, there will always be votes to be harvested from those who have grown up thinking that the rest of the world needs to be more like us, always, rather than (ever) vice versa.
Off topic @ 8.02, don’t know why some AJC blogs have more restricted commenting capability than others, but one presumes that each must be monitored, and that there are specific resources (HR-speak for “people”) assigned to specific blogs. Why the Falcons’ comments apparently get short shrift might have to do with the first pre-season games still being weeks away.
By MADMOMMY
July 24, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this
Let’s see, they are excited because he is the weakest link point blank. Americans are scared of him in office and he lack of knowledge and experiance. Sorry, but if I am going in to see a heart doctor, I would rather him have more experiance than what Obama brings to the table. Just common sense, but what how does that saying go?
By sunshine and thunder
July 24, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
The hatred that has been ginned up against George Bush can be traced to two groups of elitist bird brains - the academic and main stream media world. I suppose they are still sore losers from the 2000 election debacle that was initiated by Al Gore.
I have talked to young Americans who have visitied France over the past two years and it turns out that young French citizens adore Americans.
Sorry Jay but this notion that the world hates us is tommyrot.
Who, what, where?
By dougmo
July 24, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Exactly when did the rest of the world stop looking up to America? In every instance of any diaster around the world, or any crisis (ie Sudan), the first question asked is “How much help can the US send?” The US has been and always will be a beacon that the world can follow. Jay, Reagan was chided all over the world for his policies concerning terrorism and the cold war, but history has proved him correct on all counts. Personally if the president irritates the socialists in Europe, the democratic majority, and any Middle Eastern country, he is doing the right thing. The presidents job is to protect American intrests. SCREW WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS
By Shawny
July 24, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
Of course Europeans would vote for Obama. They have socialist tendancies, just like Bookman.
Do not be fooled by Obama. He, like McCain and others are TYPICAL politicians. Do not vote for him because you are buying into the Change business. It is a tagline and has no real substance behind it. He will have little influence, other than supporting certain bills or appointing certain justices.
Obama’s world tour is a farce. Where has he been the last few years? McCain had been to Iraq before…Obama is doing it now, since he is trying to get the job.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
SHAME ON JOHN MCCAIN
He said he’d run a civil campaign…. todays new ad puts Obama and Castro together.
Sorry, fella’s but more and more I think than McCain is just a pig.
By Donovan
July 24, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
France never has been our friend other than a friend of convenience during the Revolutionary War and WWII. Germany has been so defeated since WWII that she is now a guttless ally. Britain’s population is now comprised of people who never knew hardship as did their parents. Bookman and Obama represent that element of society that looks for change and daydreams like all of socialist Europe. What remains constant is the term “ugly American” that will always be how we are defined to the world.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
We can count the countries who are our friends on two hands. Germany, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Spain, Israel, Italy, Japan,maybe France and the UK. All of these countries are white and Asian majority controlled, have elected governments where the people have a say in their affairs, allow criticism of the people in power and have little to no strings attached to us for foreign aid handouts, with the exception of Israel. All have a Christian majority, with the exception of Israel and Japan who have an active Christian population. These countries, for the most part, have not been critical of Bush and his policies except for the fringe protester common to all countries. Many have been supportive enough to send troops to Afghanistan and join in on our fight against Islamofaciasm.
Have I missed one? The vast majority of the others have a religious controlled government (all of the Islamic countries) or a military type of government who does not tolerate debate, has little to no respect for the individual and has policies that the US does not abide, like blowing up everyone with suicide bombers. But they are lined up to get in, legally or illegally by the 100s of thousands each year. We must have something that someone wants, Jay.
Why should we pander to any of these governments for “approval” and image control? Approval of what? We have a way of life to maintain and will never be successful in doing this from a position of weakness.
By BoneHead
July 24, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
The problem with today’s politicians is they want to be “Global” politicians; we need people who will work for America. I do not want to be a global citizen I am American. I couldn’t give a $h!t what the eurotrash thinks of us. Fix America first.
By Goldie
July 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Europe, and much of the rest of the world, has always looked to America for hope and inspiration… we used to be #1 in most everything: personal liberties, economic strength, manufacturing and new inventions. What has happened to America for the past decade or so?
I’m ready for America to once again be admired and to take back its status as the leader of the free world… Barack Obama may be imperfect, but he offers the best “first steps” in making that happen!
By Goldie
July 24, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Madmommy — you may believe that McBush has “more experience” and that somehow makes him a better choice for POTUS. Where exactly has McBush’s “experience” been of such great benefit to America? I mean, he’s been in the US Senate for about 30 years, and what have we gained from all of his “experience”??? He cheerleads for WAR as an answer to many of the world’s problems — who needs that anymore?
By WFC
July 24, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Compare how the world supported U.S. action in the 1990-91 Gulf War and failed to support our 2003 war against Iraq. Do you think that maybe a REASON for that?
By GMAN
July 24, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
The hatred that has been ginned up against George Bush can be traced to his and his administration’s incompetence, dishonesty, and self-service.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
It’s nice to watch Obama in Europe and not see rioters in the streets burning posters of Bush while being beaten back by riot police, instead we see thousands who turn out to hear him speak.
Unfortunately, those who have the “who cares what others think” attitude, with a global and international economy, you just can’t do that.
By Get Real
July 24, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
People who complain about Obama’s lack of experience leave quotes like this @ 8:26 Americans are scared of him in office and he lack of knowledge and experiance. And you should talk.
Or this one, The hatred that has been ginned up against George Bush can be traced to two groups of elitist bird brains - the academic and main stream media world. I suppose they are still sore losers from the 2000 election debacle that was initiated by Al Gore.
Maybe that hatred could be coming from the poor economy that we now have, high gas prices, food prices, increasing unemployment, and plummeting dollar all while we spend $10 billion a week in Iraq. If you hold your President and his Cabinet to their words we were supposed to be greeted as liberators, and the war was going to pay for itself. Meanwhile we waste valuable human and financial resources that could be used more at home. Sadaam was no more a threat than any other evil dictator, he had no WMDs, and even the military has said we should be putting more troops in Afghanistan. Maybe thats why he’s hated, and I don’t think academics or the media are the only people that dislike. Funny how here in Georgia being an academic is somehow wrong.
Or check this post out @ 8:38, Britain’s population is now comprised of people who never knew hardship as did their parents. The same country had their own terrorist bombing and is on of the few allies we actually have in the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ in Iraq. With statements like these its easy to wonder why we’re looked at as a country of hypocrites.
Is this all Republicans have now? Is your brand that damaged. No coherent arguments anymore, just teenage namecalling. You gotta do better than this.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Right now I would rather have a country that Islamic terrorists fear to the point of total inaction on their part - meaning we punched their ticket for their one way trip to allah !
By Whatever
July 24, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Shawny @ 8:35, if Obama’s world tour was a farce, what do you call Bush getting on a Aircraft Carrier and announcing ‘Mission Accomplished.’ His entire presidency was ‘a farce’ so that he and his corporate buddies could ravage the country with their mortgage, banking, and energy policies.
What exactly have Republicans done for you?
By TrueDat
July 24, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
I find it surreal how many republicans are talking about the importance of “experience” when the same group passed over john mccain and all his “experience” for Bush a 1-term state governor with no foreign relations experience or federal experience (in the 2000 primary) then voted for him over a candidate with 8 years experience in the white house (general election).
But now voting for “experience” is just common sense? I guess after the train wreck of the last 8 years it might be, but i have a feeling most of these folks would vote in ronald mcdonald if there was an R after his name.
By Taxpayer
July 24, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
The mentality of many Americans today is nothing less than a reflection of the mindset of our leadership — assuming you care to call it “leadership”. It’s certainly a stretch for me. Many years back now, there was a distraught trader that showed up at work one day and just went on a killing spree. Sometimes, a tragedy or other unexpected events causes a person to resort to extreme measures. We see it every day. Anyway, the executives at another company saw this and studied the events that apparently led up to this killing spree. Armed with this knowledge, they grew concerned that a similar scenario could unfold right before their very eyes as well. Needless to say, fear set in. The corporate leadership took quick and decisive steps to quell their fears — they secured their offices. After all, what would become of the company if anything should happen to them.
By Observer
July 24, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
Here’s a sad commentary on the ignorance of the American electorate - in Europe, they can conduct meaningful polls about the U.S. presidential election but in America (and on this blog for that matter) very few people could tell you the name of the German chancellor, French president or British prime minister without first consulting Google. Come to think of it, I would venture to guess that most of the registered voters in this country couldn’t tell you the name of the speaker of the house or the secretary of state. The unfortunate thing is that this collective pool of ignorance - on BOTH sides of the aisle - is going to determine who our next president will be.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
By Chris
July 24, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Sorry but Jay’s right. America has lost track of its ideals. If you call providing affordable health care to needy individuals and small businesses “socialism” then you can bend over and kiss it. Its funny how one poster gives us the analogy about going to the most experienced heart surgeon when you have a heart problem, but at the very same time these folks deny global warming and climate change when 9 out of 10 scientists support the view of this. “SCREW THE REST OF THE WORLD” you say? How are you going to defeat global terrorism with that attitude? We are bogged down in Iraq, barely keeping our heads above water in Afghanistan, and are too over stretched to deal with any other problems (Iran, Korea, Sudan, etc). Sorry to break this to you but we need the world and we won’t get it by bullying our way around anymore. Ironically, the war in Iraq has shown the world just how limited our capabilities really are!
What are you going to say when in 20 years, China becomes the worlds biggest economy? Learn to swim in this new world, or be prepared to sink! The winds of change are blowing and you better get used to it.
By Serf Turf
July 24, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
Bookman uses the phrase, “a lot”, alot. I dont think it means what he thinks it means.
“…We ought to try to be that America again.” WE ARE that America now, Mr. Bookman, it’s Bush and Cheney who are not that America. There’s a growing murmur in DC about war crimes trials for Cheney and Bush. How long will Rove be expatriot?
Topic for Today: Should we put America through a war crimes trial and prosecute the current administration? Would America emerge weaker, or stronger? What would the international implications be? Would it embolden Iran and Al Queda?
What a topic. Man, I should be the temporary host of the Bookman blog while he’s surfing and enjoying those drinks with the little umbrellas in them. I promise not to flame or diss anyone, but to encourage a lively on-topic debate. Anyone starts with the threats and the bile, and they get banned for the day.
Fair ‘muff?
By Fred Dissen
July 24, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Jay’s column would make more sense to more people if the AJC elevated its geeneral level of reporting to better reflect current political, social and economic developments worldwide. The AJC remains essentially a small town newspaper.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Obama and his media circus is nothing more than a curiosity to the majority of the people on the “tour”. 62% of Germans approve of him because it is a socialist country with a socialist agenda. “Approval” and a feel good attitude for most libs is essential to “peace of mind” and to their psyche. Lets go out and spread some rose petals in the wonder boy’s path to give him more of a” feel good persona”. Wake up libs, this is the real world, not some fantasy land. I don’t see immigration records being broken in Islamic countries or in those wonderfully tolerant countries of Africa or South America. Everyone wants to come here. I wonder why?
By Observer
July 24, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Chris - I challenge you to cite any credible source that supports your claim that 90% of scientists support the notion of global warming. In fact, the earth has been COOLING for the eight years. I will concede that a large body of the scientific community supports global warming but I can’t find any empirical data that confirms a simple majority much less 90%. Please don’t toss out mythical statistics that you can’t possibly support.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla
Mr. Bookman’s column was about how the rest of the world sees the US and how Sen Obama would help our standing. Castro’s a head of state. So what’s wrong with quoting this leader’s assessment?
Of course, the ad’s running in south Florida - a place where saying anything good about Castro is political suicide. It’s a different world, there.
So your point is, quoting some world leaders’ view of us or our candidates is okay, quoting others is not?
Ray 8:43
I believe it was Kissinger who said states do not have friends - they have shared interests. While some, like England, may be ‘special’ there’s a bit of truth to the observation. It also provides a different perspective for those who criticized past administrations for, say, supplying Saddam in his war with Iran or OBL and the mujahideen against the Soviet Union. Had nothing to do with friendship - it was a shared interest.
Goldie 8:45
Nice description of leader of the free world and an example for others -
By Obama? Your Mama!
July 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Bookman I don’t give a rat’s a* who Europe would rather be US president and what they think of us. They all want to knock us down a peg given any opportunity, even though we bailed half of the butts out in WWII. They’d all be commies if it weren’t for the US. Oh, and terrorist are not entitled to civil liberties guaranteed under our constitution or the geneva convention. Especially when they post videos of themselves cutting the heads off of our captured soldiers. Do unto others and an eye for eye I say. If I have to torture them to get information that will protect Americans and our way of life, then so be it! It’s sad to see you and all of the other leftist media suck up to the the Anti-Christ Obama. It’s not a popularity contest!
By America #1
July 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
I think we should spend our way to oblivion and bring on the hyperinflation that world domineering and a fiat currency guarantee.
We can build more overseas bases and defend Taiwan and dilute the money supply all at the same time.
Then instead of $1 bills, we can use $1,000 bills to buy bread with our stagnant income.
Our standard of living will be gutted, but our throats won’t be slit by islamofascists hanging out at at the 7/11.
BTW, Steve Mail-It-In Wyche should go to Connecticut.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
To Serf Turf:
Good luck but most of the people who use the AJC blogs cannot do anything but rant, name call and post drivel.
Just watch ……………
P.S. “Don’t forget Europe preferred King George for our president also”.
By Taxpayer
July 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Fresh boiled-in-gulf-oil grouper and corn-derived-ethanol seared filet mignon all washed down with some home-brewed Texas Tea, with a sprig of mint — there’s nothing like a good surf and terf.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
The U.S. Economy Is Socialism for the Rich
Today, the United States is the leader in a number of shameful statistics: the highest percentage and total numbers of its population in prison, the highest consumption of the world’s natural resources, the only industrialized nation without universal health care, the biggest military budget. It seems that the greatest product that the United States is capable of producing today is war, and this makes us a very dangerous country
The hyper-consumerist culture of the United States has led to predatory lending and credit schemes that have put millions of people on the brink of bankruptcy and the sacking of the Global South for exploited, underpaid workers and natural resources to make cheap products. The U.S. population represents 6 percent of the world’s population, yet consumes 30 percent of the world’s resources and produces the greatest amount of carbon pollution.
And while we’re at it, let’s just be clear that the free market capitalism we have seen in the United States is by no means “free.” In reality, the U.S. economy functions as a form of socialism for the rich. Taxpayers have bailed out the savings and loan industry, banks and airlines. We finance at least two federal social security programs: the one to which most of us contribute through each paycheck, and the one for United Airlines employees (since that company no longer pays its pension obligations). We give huge government contracts to the prison and military industrial complexes, and increasingly to private education and health care companies.
A significant political and cultural shift in the United States will also require us to redefine the “American Dream.” The dream is not about a motivated individual being able to strike it rich. The dream that would benefit most Americans (including Latin Americans and Canadians) would be closer to the dream outlined by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
More here
By Ray
July 24, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Paul,
Friends might not have been the right word. Shared interest is probably more descriptive. Essentially, we are on our own, however. Being in bed with Marcos and the Shah are not chapters from our finest hours, I agree. But we must approach the rest of the world with a position of strength. Anything else threatens what we have and the future of our grandchildren. No one ever won a war because he was too weak, I think the Gipper said.
By zeke
July 24, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Yes, America has a leader to be proud of, and, that leader is George W. Bush! Who cares what the Euro socialist think? Their unabashed joy with Obama should send a chill up the spine of American voters because the Euro socialist see one of their own! We as a nation do not want to become what those utter failures in Europe have become! We are not now completely socialist, yet, but keep voting for liberal socialist democrats and we soon will image those Euro socialist and even Soviet Russia! NOT WHAT AN INTELLIGENT PERSON WOULD WANT!
By WillM
July 24, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
“Lets go out and spread some rose petals in the wonder boy’s path to give him more of a” feel good persona”.”
Ah, the little man speaks!
Do I detect a little resentment and spite in the voice of the little man?
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
NO PAUL, MY POINT IS McCAIN IS A PIG
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
THE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT POSTED THIS: “P.S. “Don’t forget Europe preferred King George for our president also”.” seems to be lacking in knowledge - or they would remember THIS
By Taxpayer
July 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla at 9:28,
I’ll have you know that I resemble your remarks — well, some of them anyway.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Serf Turf 9:12
Which generals and admirals (heck, let’s continue with colonels all the way down to privates) do you nominate for war crimes trials? After all, they implemented the policy, engaged in the killing and oppression and human rights violations, and we know from Nuremberg “I was only following orders” is not a defense.
Ray
Rather reminds me a leadership article that said “it’s not about being liked, it’s about respect. Being liked may follow, but it’s not the primary concern.”
By Serf Turf
July 24, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Obama is drawing crowds all over the world because he’s a leader. That’s the definition of a leader: The person who has the followers.
The world hasn’t seen a leader like Obama since Muhammed Ali……another muslim!! OMG, the conservatives and Nostradomass are right: Obama is an Al Queda plant. The Quatrains prove it. “Allah will smile on the smiling one. Great crowds will crowd greatly. The antichrist’s name will be only one letter different from the 911 bad guy. Run for your lives!”
McCain 08: Say what you want about his age, at least his name isn’t one letter different from the 911 bad guy.
By Fred
July 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Of course, we only hear what the media wants us to hear about Obama. Of course the Socialists around the world love him. They want America weaker, not stronger. Press is on their knees servicing Obama. So are all his leftist minions reading this column. If he succeeds, we should secede .
By Eric1
July 24, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
While I’d personally perfer Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or Chris Dodd or even John Edwards, after eight years of the most inept and corrupt administration of my 50 something years I’ll be thrilled to have Barack Obama as my president. I used to respect John McCain, but he has sold his soul and abandoned his principles in his effort to be elected. He’s no straight talker, he’s as phoney as Joan Rivers’ lips. Obama’s my man!!! !
By Bionic Blonde
July 24, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
McSame as Bush will not help get America out of the deep hole it’s in right now. We have to go in a new, different direction in order to have any hope of getting back to the llife before fear of the world. Being a responsible and knowledgeable leader who can communicate without obvious incompetence is what we need now.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
WillM,
No, not resentment, just anger. This media contrived circus that they call “coverage” of the campaign is a joke. That doofas, Tucker, what’s his name, even said that Obama reminded him of a 9th grade romance. It was probably from worshiping his hand, he didn’t say. And that idiot on MSNBC saying that Obama gave him a funny feeling running up his leg.
What kind of objective coverage is that? If it weren’t so ridiculous, it would be funny. And the sad part of it is, a lot of uninformed people in this country will swallow that crap and vote for this guy!! Wonder if Katie, Brian and Charley get funny feelings up their legs?
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
corporal, you don’t know squat about American history. The French and the Poles both sent great military leaders to help the Colonies beat George III. Never heard of LaFayette or Pulaski or Kosciuszko? Jeez, if you can’t keep up, go try the crossword.
By The American War
July 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
Fred, dont let Lady Liberty toast your buns with her torch on your way out……
By RealityKing
July 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
“Over paid, over sexed and over here”
That my friend, is what the Europeans said about us 60 yrs ago while we were saving their butts from tryany. So…, excuse me if I seem not to care now either.
By WillM
July 24, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
You’re right Ray, this guy has definitely given the press corps wobbly knees. Which is a little unsettling whatever side you’re on.
By Fred
July 24, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
The American War :
Ain’t going anywhere.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla 9:33
Doesn’t sound much like something Sen Obama would say…
Serf Turf 9:41
You just had to bring in the Nostradamus literalists… this is just great….
By Me Again
July 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Pretty simple really, the rest of the world would prefer a weaker US, thus they prefer Obama for president.
By CommunistAJC
July 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
Honestly, I can not wait for Hitler 2 to show up and destroy Europe. They didn’t learn their lesson the first time and I could care less for them. Do all of you Bush haters understand American history? Do you not know WHY we left Europe? Jay Bookman and the rest of you socialist morons can feel free to move to Eurabia for all I care. P** off.
By @@
July 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
I recently watched an interview with a British author who has written a book about America’s influence on the world. She pointed out that Europeans, while openly critical, were plagued by envy. It is from there that their dislike takes root. The citizens like Americans but envy America.
She pointed out that there are three super powers who compete for influence on the world stage - Russia, China and America. “Between those three” she said…..”we (Europeans) will choose America every time.”
I’ve been watching Putin’s Russia. It’s influence diminishes with each passing day.
I suppose they’re impressed by Obama’s refinement? That, and a gallon of “gas” won’t get them very far.
Wait a minute………Obama IS a gallon of gas! In Europe his value is a little over $8.00 per.
By jessica
July 24, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Well Obama does get a lot more media coverage than McCain so its not that far fetched.
By Davis
July 24, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
I lived in Europe and Asia for over 10 years during the Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton administrations and don’t recall a golden age where Americans were greatly appreciated overseas. In all of those administrations, I recall some real anti-American challenges and threats while living overseas. During the Carter adminstration, there were terrorists in Germany targeting Americans and there were on occasion “no American” signs in downtown bars and restaurants in Paris, Rome and Munich. I have had similar experiences where Americans were barred from certain establishments in Tokyo,Beijing and Seoul more recently.
I do believe that a Barack Obama presidency will probably go a long way toward changing a lot of perceptions of America. He is the first candidate in my memory to actually campaign in Europe and the Middle East and seek, if not their votes, the approval of Europeans for his candidacy.
Maybe Jay Bookman is right, most Americans know as little about foreign affairs as he does. Maybe we should let the much more sophisticated Europeans pick our next president.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
PAUL, RIGHT-O…..I HAVE NO FEAR IN ADMITTING THAT OBAMA IS A BETTER MAN THAN I. BUT I STILL THINK…
McCAIN IS A PIG
By Amos
July 24, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Obama’s a ROCKSTAR, man! When he is our Presdient, AMERICA WILL FIANLLY ROCK!! Dudes, he will make all of our dreams come true and he will amaze the whole freekin world!!! He’s awsome! Rock on Obama!!
By Reality
July 24, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
On what day of his 156 days as a Senator before announcing his run for president did Obama become qualified to be Commander in Chief of the US military during a time of war and hold the nuclear launch codes that could end human life on the planet? Wake up people experience matters. Just because he’s 1/2 black and can say the work change 20 times in 2 minutes doesn’t make him qualified to lead our country.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
LOL
Mrs. G, Taxpayer, Goldie, Getalife, Hillbilly Ragger - you’re gonna need this
Later y’all. I have meetings.
By SaveOurRepublic
July 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
dougmo @ 8:31 AM EDT - Ditto on your last sentence! We need a President who puts America first, second & third instead of pandering to the “Global Community”! A wonderful patriot like Congressman Ron Paul would have been exactly what we need. Dr.Paul’s platform was all about a return to the Constitutional minded approach and foundation that the Founding Fathers gave us.
We need to shed this Globalist minded continuation of foreign entanglements & endless squandering of American taxpayer (fiat) dollars. Instead, we’re left with two controlled puppets of the Globalist Elite, who’ll only continue to move forth the Internationalist agenda (foreign entanglements, wasteful foreign aid, continued meddling by the UN, bowing to the Central/International Banking Cartel & their fiat currency, propagating the unConstitutional IRS & implementing the North American Union/SPP & NAFTA/NASCO Superhighway). “Bacrock Obummer” & “Juan McAmnasty” are NOT the answer, but Chuck Baldwin could indeed be. His platform is Constitutionalist and almost identical to Dr.Paul’s…
http://www.baldwin2008.com
By Ray
July 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
A time honored tradition in this country has been freedom of the press. It has set us apart from other governments and made us what we are. Distaff opinion is healthy and necessary to pick a leader so important to our way of life, no matter what your political persuasion. However, we should all be dubious of an organization who takes it upon themselves to spread blatant bias to an electorate, some of whom do not even know who the Secretary of State is or who was Vice President under Clinton. This might give them higher salaries, better ratings and enable them to sell more denture adhesive but it does the general public no favors. All of the major outlets, the NY Times, the AJC, among others spew their bias every day. It is very unsettling, no matter what your political choice and a very poor way to pick a leader so important to our way of life.
By Me Again
July 24, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
Amos- Please explain how he will make our “dreams comse true”. This is so typical of the left and Obama’s campaign. How will he “amaze the whole freeking (sic) world!!!” Please define “finally rock!!”
By Fruitless Objections
July 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Fred: You said secede. My bad, I thought that meant that you were leaving. If U R, dont let Lady Liberty squirt you on the way out, if’n you be gittin’ what I be intimatin’ 2U this day….(She stays very fresh, you know)
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Reality,
Obama became qualified to be president on his 35th birthday.
Qualifications are in the eye of the voter.
And apparently, Obama’s getting alot of those.
As one poster mentioned before, those who scoff at Obama’s lack of experience, but yet voted for Bush over McCain in 2000?
In other words - got hypocrisy?
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Shawny, you can head to the crossword, too. Perhaps you are too ignorant to know this, but your man McCain INSISTED that Obzama go visit Iraq, Afghanistan and those other places. As to the press corps, most of these guys think Edward R. Murrow is just the name of a prize. And to Davis, Jay was merely being modest so as not to offend the wrong wingers.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Me Again,
I think Amos was joking.
Ray,
Same thing can be said for conservative media outlets as well. You don’t get to have it both ways.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
To Mike Hussein Smith:
Ah, but you do err in your ignorance my son. True, those gentelmen and many others came over to help but their countries wanted the “Colonies” to fail in their attempt at freedom because it did not bode well for their “fiefdoms” next…..and as you know, France soon followed suit with much more bloodshed than we had.
Time for you to go back to school ……
By Paul
July 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Davis
Thanks for the onscene perspective. Seems like it’s generally been a love/hate/admire/repulse relationship.
Mrs. Godzilla
Just wondering about people who may cruise through here, undecideds, who may leave with a positive or negative impression of a candidate based upon what they hear from the supporters.
Reality 10:06
Well, the Constitution says a person has to be a natural-born citizen and at least 35 years old.
I’d say that qualifies Obama.
@@
“Refinement” & “gas” - cute!
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Mike H. Smith,
Good point. These people mocking Obama’s visit forget that McCain mocked Obama himself for NOT visiting. Now, he’s po’ed because he’s getting the celebrity treatment. American’s are SOOO ADD.
I think the old man’s jealous.
By Amos
July 24, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
Ok, Bosch, you caught me!
By taylor
July 24, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
Obama is giving credence to world opinion when he promotes himself as The Candidate of change. I want no part of his message. Obama changes with the prevailing wind but Americans are firmly planted in American soil. Obama insults America and me.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
P.S. to Mike Hussein Smith:
If you also would study your history you would know that only 10% of colonists fought or totally supported our independence. Another 30% wanted freedom but didn’t have the guts to do anything, 30% stayed out of it (mostly those in the west parts of the colonies) and 30% were hardcore loyalist who even formed regiments to fight along side the British.
There will be a test Monday morning.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
REALITY
Yes, experience matters. GOOD EXPERIENCE
4 terms in the senate, 24 years, and McCain just in the last few months figured out change was needed?
Bad experience is not going to help us.
4 terms in the senate, 24 years, and McCain - so strong on national security - didn’t know the difference between Shia and Sunni, that Czechoslovakia hasn’t existed in 15 years, that Iran and Pakistan do not share a border, that the surge began after the awakening, that his famous sheik has been killed etc etc etc
Bad experience will be of no help
In the very rock bottom of his academy class, crashed 5 planes, was “involved” in the Forestall incident, but served honorably. (The films and statements he made for the Viet Cong were done under duress)
How does this experience prove he would be even a passable CIC?
He admits to being a party boy adulterer early in life and he got his 2nd marriage license before his 1st divorce.
This experience would be good for what?
His experience in flip flopping is up to what, 64 now?
That’s not experience you can believe in!
In fact, I posit that McCain is good for nothing!
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Amos,
Still thought it was funny. :-)
By Me Again
July 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
If Amos was joking, Bravo! Because he sounds exactly like the typical Obama supporter. So, again, I say Bravo.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
taylor and all others who hate Obama,
Then don’t vote for him.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Yo CommunistAJC - Wouldn’t you feel more at home in tele aviv? Oh, they don’t want you there, that would lower the average IQ to below 90….R U still in Drag from yesterday’s beating? I know how much you enjoy being smacked around while wearing your little black dress and high heals…makes ya feel like a REAL woman, eh little fella….
By Chicago
July 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Why are you Republicans ‘whining’ about Obama getting more press coverage than McCain? Where were you when the press was swooning over Bush invading Iraq. Seems like Freedom of the Press was even more important than it is now. Stop whining.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Have you taken a close look at the UK, Germany or France lately?
UK: A police state that has practically as many surveillance cameras as people. Where the government is so incredibly inefficiently horrible that they’ve exposed most of the whole nation to identity theft by consistently losing the personal information of their citizens. At the same time the government is trying to collect more and varied personal information (presumably so they can lose it again) from its citizens. Despite their claims that the NHS is a solid and effective model for healthcare, it is near complete failure. Their crime is rampant with gun crime and homicide on the rise. They still have fewer murders than the US, but they have enough of everything else that it more than makes up for it. Every month the BBC does some article on kids knifing kids, or shooting kids, or how the people are afraid of the kids. The place is a complete and utter wreck. There is an uproar about giving regular police tasers and yet two of their cops just got beaten in the streets for telling a kid to pick up their litter.. yeah, the UK is a great place. Let’s not mention the years when the police didn’t even bother enforcing minor laws or reporting anything below an assault. Did you know that in the UK you can be charged and jailed for cursing at someone? Verbal assault and it’s an arrestable offense. Their taxes are horrendous and they tax everything. There’s a TV tax (meaning a tax to own and watch a television), high phone taxes, Internet taxes and gas taxes that make ours look cheap. Their poor are priced out of whole cities and there is little prospect for them besides picking up their welfare checks. The last place we want to model ourselves after is the UK.
France: They’ve relegated their muslims in Paris to the outer suburbs so their capital is literally surrounded by hostile immigrants. These immigrants are easily riled and when they get the itch they riot violently. The reason they’re so ticked? No jobs, low wages, rampant discrimination. France has an extreme housing shortage where it’s becoming common for renters to supplement payment with sexual favors (most people there don’t own their homes)and most of the college students aim to be social workers or government bureaucrats (look up the studies). They’ve had FIVE republics and TWO empires since the revolution, one of which was a Nazi fiefdom (try bringing that up to them anytime they get snooty about the US and they get rather unpleasant). Their taxes are high and their unions own EVERYTHING. Sarkozy just had to emphasize his commitment to a 36 hour work week.. when is the last time you worked 36 hours? They charged a woman who spoke her mind on the muslim situation with a crime and banned another woman from getting the equivalent of a green card for being “too submissive to her husband”.
Germany has allowed the government to use hacking tools to spy on citizens. They’ve banned those same tools from being used by security researchers or professionals to locate vulnerabilities in software. They have a slow burning neo-nazi problem (especially in easter germany) even though the swastika and any nazi symbolism or paraphernalia is banned throughout the country. If you have a movie or a video game with a swastika in it, it cannot be sold in Germany. They have incredibly high unemployment and taxes.. They’re the least reprehensible of the three countries mention, but I’d still rather live here any day.
I guess my point is that I don’t care what these three failures as nations say. I’d rather live here in the worst of times, than there in the best of times and the fact that they would pick Obama, considering the state of their own governments, is not some shining endorsement from our enlightened neighbors to the east. It’s more like a bunch of socialists in countries the size of a few of our states stating their irrelevant opinion about something else they have no control over. The fact that our governments in cities and states (not to mention federally) is moving more towards where the countries are is both upsetting and depressing to me. Do I think McCain is some agent of change? Hell no, he’s not even the best choice. It turns out Ron Paul was the best choice. Crazy? yes. Counterproductive? YES. But he and congress and the courts would’ve spent four years fighting tooth and nail and anything he did win would lessen the stranglehold this government has on our country without destroying anything very vital. What out government needs is tearing down, not building up.
By Fruitless Objections
July 24, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Here’s Y Obama can make the american dream come true:
Healthcare has a shot with Obama. Education has a shot with Obama. Peace has a chance with Obama.
Now, the vestiges of the Bush regime will do everything they can to stop Obama from delivering justice to all Americans.
The Democrats need good men now. Good men to stand up and be heard. Speak out against those who would exhume the dispicable conservative shroud of war and torture, deficits and elitism, and oblivious reaction to our fellow Americans in need, like Katrina or the victims of Fannie Mae.
They should call the next hurricane, Fannie Mae.
Hurricane Fannie Mae stormed ashore today depriving thousands of Americans of their homes, but by strange coincidence, all the homeless people were about to be foreclosed upon anyway, so Bush said it was a win win wash, and he sent more money to Haliburton for bonuses based on how many Iraqi civilians have been collateralized. Bush said, “Maybe if those americans who lost their homes to Fannie Mae had as much collateral as the Halliburton contractors, then maybe they wouldn’t be homeless, now, would they?”
This reporter admits he has no comeback for that one.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
My friends - what both sides need to realize is that neither candidate is a good one for President of the United States. Both of our parties screwed up and good men and women did not step forward to even run. Pathetic.
Bottom line - we are stuck with the lesser of two evils ……… which makes my choice easy.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Its John McCain who is the sad one. Why would the media be covering him right now? He has no events scheduled. He couldn’t draw a crowd of 100 in Athens Greece. He might draw 100 in Athens Georgia, if it were greasy Fried Chicken Night at the senior center.
Remember the crowds President Clinton used to attract during his visits outside the country. Remember the pride Americans had when our leaders were popular around the world. It sure would be great if our President were respected around the world again.
The last 7.5 years have been an embarrassing nightmare. Bush is in a self imposed exile right now. Reminds me of when Nixon hid in San Clemente all those years.
This venture Obama has taken is pure campaign strategy genius. Americans want their pride back.
God Bless America!
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Have you taken a close look at the UK, Germany or France lately?
UK: A police state that has practically as many surveillance cameras as people. Where the government is so incredibly inefficiently horrible that they’ve exposed most of the whole nation to identity theft by consistently losing the personal information of their citizens. At the same time the government is trying to collect more and varied personal information (presumably so they can lose it again) from its citizens. Despite their claims that the NHS is a solid and effective model for healthcare, it is near complete failure. Their crime is rampant with gun crime and homicide on the rise. They still have fewer murders than the US, but they have enough of everything else that it more than makes up for it. Every month the BBC does some article on kids knifing kids, or shooting kids, or how the people are afraid of the kids. The place is a complete and utter wreck. There is an uproar about giving regular police tasers and yet two of their cops just got beaten in the streets for telling a kid to pick up their litter.. yeah, the UK is a great place. Let’s not mention the years when the police didn’t even bother enforcing minor laws or reporting anything below an assault. Did you know that in the UK you can be charged and jailed for cursing at someone? Verbal assault and it’s an arrestable offense. Their taxes are horrendous and they tax everything. There’s a TV tax (meaning a tax to own and watch a television), high phone taxes, Internet taxes and gas taxes that make ours look cheap. Their poor are priced out of whole cities and there is little prospect for them besides picking up their welfare checks. The last place we want to model ourselves after is the UK.
France: They’ve relegated their muslims in Paris to the outer suburbs so their capital is literally surrounded by hostile immigrants. These immigrants are easily riled and when they get the itch they riot violently. The reason they’re so ticked? No jobs, low wages, rampant discrimination. France has an extreme housing shortage where it’s becoming common for renters to supplement payment with sexual favors (most people there don’t own their homes)and most of the college students aim to be social workers or government bureaucrats (look up the studies). They’ve had FIVE republics and TWO empires since the revolution, one of which was a Nazi fiefdom (try bringing that up to them anytime they get snooty about the US and they get rather unpleasant). Their taxes are high and their unions own EVERYTHING. Sarkozy just had to emphasize his commitment to a 36 hour work week.. when is the last time you worked 36 hours? They charged a woman who spoke her mind on the muslim situation with a crime and banned another woman from getting the equivalent of a green card for being “too submissive to her husband”.
Germany has allowed the government to use hacking tools to spy on citizens. They’ve banned those same tools from being used by security researchers or professionals to locate vulnerabilities in software. They have a slow burning neo-nazi problem (especially in easter germany) even though the swastika and any nazi symbolism or paraphernalia is banned throughout the country. If you have a movie or a video game with a swastika in it, it cannot be sold in Germany. They have incredibly high unemployment and taxes.. They’re the least reprehensible of the three countries mention, but I’d still rather live here any day.
I guess my point is that I don’t care what these three failures as nations say. I’d rather live here in the worst of times, than there in the best of times and the fact that they would pick Obama, considering the state of their own governments, is not some shining endorsement from our enlightened neighbors to the east. It’s more like a bunch of socialists in countries the size of a few of our states stating their irrelevant opinion about something else they have no control over. The fact that our governments in cities and states (not to mention federally) is moving more towards where the countries are is both upsetting and depressing to me. Do I think McCain is some agent of change? Hell no, he’s not even the best choice. It turns out Ron Paul was the best choice. Crazy? yes. Counterproductive? YES. But he and congress and the courts would’ve spent four years fighting tooth and nail and anything he did win would lessen the stranglehold this government has on our country without destroying anything very vital. What out government needs is tearing down, not building up.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Uh, Ray, you said “A time honored tradition in this country has been freedom of the press” - BUT, freedom of the press is a little more than a tradition, it is a constitutional right guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States…To abolish this right is to abolish the Constitution….
By Paul
July 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Corporal
So the same percentage of Americans who supported our revolution against the British….
Is about the same as the percentage of Americans who support President Bush?
:-)
By @@
July 24, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Bosch:
McCain challenged Obama to review the impact of the surge. Maybe he was hoping that Obama would be eager to give credit where credit was due.
I was surprised that Katie Couric pressed Obama to admit that the surge had worked to diminish violence allowing the Iraqi Parliament to move forward on benchmarks. It has done that - 15 out of 18 accomplished.
The best Obama’s ego would allow him to say was “I can’t say that it has because I don’t know how MY plan would have worked.*
Unfreakingbelievable!
He can’t say it because it doesn’t serve his campaign. HIS political aspirations take precedence over the respect our troops deserve for a job well done.
Not only is Obama a dunce…..he’s a self-serving, arrogant jerk.
By CJ
July 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
taylor wrote: “Obama changes with the prevailing wind…”
Wrong. Obama changed his position on exactly two issues: public financing (incidentally, McCain illegally changed his position on public financing when he pulled out of it during the primaries) and FISA. The former reversal was good and the latter reversal was bad.
On the other hand, The Official John McCain Flip-Flop List is up to 66 items and climbing.
Enjoy.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
Most of the “right wing” talk shows and Fox news came as a backlash to the bias that is so prevalent in our news coverage. I listen to PBS every day to avoid the car ads and listen to classical music. They constantly editorialize about the right, it’s leaders, it’s policies, etc. and it is publicly funded by your tax dollars. Fox is the only TV outlet that has a right leaning bias. The PBS newsies never quote the Wall Street Journal, Investor’s Business Daily or others of a right leaning editorial position. Only the NY Times. Lucko has not published one cartoon in recent memory that would tarnish the Liberal image. Cynthia Tucker calls it editorial opinion but she walks not so fine a line to be in lock step with the NY Times owned AJC. Katie, Brian and Charley would not think of doing anything to plus Bush, just the opposite. None of these positions, right or left is healthy for the voting public. We have too many uninformed people out there who will climb on any bandwagon that Katie or some other liberal doofas tells them to. And the result is a media created “leader” who doesn’t have a clue.
By AGTfan
July 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
No, the rest of the world doesn’t like Obama because they see some kind of socialistic tendancies. They like him because they see him as the best chance to return the USA to being the shining example of freedom, democracy, and the rule of law that we were before Bush tarnished our reputation and our country so badly.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Me Again,
Forgive me for saying, but I don’t think Susan Rice, Sam Nunn, Jimmy Carter, and the other hundreds of endorsements he’s received from superdelegates, who by definition are prominent professionals would use the words
“Rock on”
in everyday conversation.
By Copyleft
July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
The knee-jerk reaction from the few remaining neoconservative faithful is predictable: “Europe is our ENEMY! If they like Obama, it’s because they think he will make America WEAKER, which is their real goal!”
Problem: Europe is not our enemy. This “U.S.-against-the-world” crap has to stop, now. We have global problems that require global cooperation, not fearmongering and swaggering. All America has offered for the past eight years has been bluster and incompetence; why wouldn’t Europe, and all civilized nations, be pleased at the prospect of us finally switching to something smarter and more effective?
By Borat Obama
July 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Thanks God, Jesus, I mean Barack has come once again to save us from our sins. You people scare me as to how you worship someone you know little, if nothing, about.
By Borat Obama
July 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Thank God, Jesus, I mean Barack has come once again to save us from our sins. You people scare me as to how you worship someone you know little, if nothing, about.
By CommunistAJC
July 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
george hussein washington, When you were getting anal raped in prison over and over again did it feel like you were taking a crap backwards? The reason I ask is because all those anal rapes must have really warped you mind.
By Taxpayer
July 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Corporal,
Those early American polls were not very reliable. For example, they did not accurately reflect the number of freedom fighters that blended into the population during the day only to take up arms under the cover of dark. I think that was a tactic they learned from the Viet Cong but I could be mixed up on that one (actually, they learned some of their tactics from my native American ancestors but we don’t like to talk about that time in our history. Dang white man and his maize-based ethanol. The natives couldn’t remember a thing the next day and got blamed for all sorts of things.).
It’s just so hard to keep those dates and events straight any more. Good thing for the History channel.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
The world doesn’t like us and looks down on us yet millions from every reach of the globe try to come here.
By Borat Obama
July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
I don’t care what you say. We’re screwed either way. The way Jay is talking him up, I guess he’s vying for the Monica Lewinsky position, hoping to have his moment with the Presidential “cigar”. Don’t forget to wear your blue suit, Jay.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Ray
You may want to tune into the Diane Rehm show on NPR. She picks an issue, then has a panel that usually represents people of opposing sides. Her views do come through - but she allows her guests to speak, as in the other day she asked a guest to describe waterboarding. His response was “Look, from the way some speak, people would think the guards at Guantanamo wake up the prisoners, waterboard them, then serve breakfast. There are three that has happened to.” Ms Rehm interjected “that we know of.” The guest replied, based upon his background, that he believed the number and there was no evidence to the contrary.
The show has some good give and take - plus - they archive all the shows so you can listen later.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
The U.S. Embassy in Berlin has instructed Foreign Service personnel stationed there not to attend Sen. Barack Obama’s public rally today, which the State Department this week labeled a “partisan political activity” prohibited under its regulations for those serving overseas.
*The American Foreign Service Association, the union of the diplomatic corps, objected to the ruling, calling it an “unnecessarily narrow interpretation” of the Foreign Affairs Manual. “The fact that you are working for the U.S. government overseas should not preclude political activity that you could engage in in the United States,” one retired senior Foreign Service officer said. *
More here
By WillM
July 24, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
It’s Obamamania in Germany.
Currently the top story on Der Spiegel features a picture of a smiling Barack Obama with the headline “Berlin sucht den Superstar” (Berlin seeks its superstar) and the cover of the current print edition is “Deutschland sucht den Superstar”, the name of the German version of “American Idol”.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
To keep CJ honest, I’d mention that McCain didn’t vote for FISA “reforms”. He didn’t vote against either, but by abstaining he effectively flip-flopped. In defense of Obama’s flip flopping, if I recall he voted for a version of PATRIOT USA and PROTECT American, so voting for FISA reforms was actually consistent with his earlier voting record.
He didn’t flip flop so much as he said one thing after doing another and just continued to do what he was doing before despite what he said.
McCain voted similarly reinforcing my opinion that we’re screwed if we do and we’re screwed if we don’t and it doesn’t matter a bit who we vote for.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Ray,
And those hate filled rantings of Savage, Rush, etc. are listened to by how many people every day?
The “liberal” media is a myth perpetrated by whining wingnuts just like “activist judges” who just don’t like someone’s interpretation.
@@,
I’ve stopped thinking about Iraq in terms of what constitutes a success or failure. I did not think the attack was necessary, I do not think Iraq was a threat to begin with.
Now, we are left with a failing economy, nearly 4500 lives lost (just coalition forces, not to count the 1000s of Iraqis).
That’s what I consider to be unfreakingbelievable.
And I feel that a majority of Americans kind of think along those lines.
So, to be honest, I don’t care what Obama says about Iraq - it’s done, over. It’s not about what Obama says or doesn’t say, to me, it’s about what’s already happened.
And as far as your opinion as Obama being a dunce and self-arrogant jerk?
That’s a little melodramatic don’t you think?
By BoneHead
July 24, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, if you do not know history you are bound to repeat it. Castro gained his popularity by saying one phrase “Change”. Guess who else is saying “Change” but not telling what will change? Obama, so the comparison is 100% accurate. Only those who are illiterate of history would deny the similarities of Obama and Castro.
By Joe
July 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Jay I really don’t think anyone cares about those biased polls. Especially here in the bright red state of Georgia which McCain will easily win. I think I speak for the majority of Americans when I say I could care less who Europe wants to be our President. When you have the so called main stream media cheerleading for Obama at every turn and then trying to convince people how bad McCain is. I’m sure Europeans are blinded by all the bad journalism. If your poll even had an inkling of credibility if Europeans knew what we Americans know about Osama they would certainly have a different view. He’s never been a leader on anything in his life. His experience as a community organizer just doesn’t fit the description of commander in chief. He sat in a raciest church for twenty years and has ties to home grown terrorists Ayers and Dorn. He’s involved in shady real estate deals involving Tony Rezko. I haven’t even said anything about the serious policy flaws he has like raising taxes on everyone and giving illegal immigrants free healthcare. I could go on and on but like I said. People in Europe only know him as the messiah…. If he really is this wonderful candidate of change that will make all our problems go away why isn’t he polling any higher? Most real polls like Rasmussen have him tied. That’s got to bad news for you libs since he’s been given such a free pass by the press in this country…
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Bonehead,
Like your name, but:
Only a those with a flair for melodrama would dare compare Obama and Castro.
Do you honestly believe, that Obama would turn the U.S. into a Castro-ish Cuba?
Really? Are you THAT scared of the man?
By Blind Homer
July 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Jay - Sex and money make the world go round, character and nobility of purpose don’t even make the list. They certainly have no interest in respecting or looking up to us. They want us to be ‘ugly Americans’ they can look down their noses at trying to claim the moral high ground, all the while trying to forget that the French would now be an enslaved province of Germany if we hadn’t twice bailed htem out! And for that they love us? I think not. What you see as approval of Obama’s globalism is in fact primarily expression of anti-Bush sentiment. The Frogs are particularly irked with Bush because he ruiined most of their profitable trade dealings with Iraq. A year from now when we’re still very present in Iraq and even deeper into Afghanistan the Europeans will hate Pres Obama too.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
To Paul:
It was actually closer to 50% but just like our war with England it doesn’t matter if you win ……. :o) Sorry!
By CJ
July 24, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Jimbo: “…we’re screwed if we do and we’re screwed if we don’t and it doesn’t matter a bit who we vote for.”
That’s what they said in 2000. It matters.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
Well, well, Lord High Dimwit got jeered by his “adoring” audience:
“It was rowdier than the last time I was there, you know?” Obama told reporters on the plane. “I mean, people were sort of, like, holerin’. You know I was expecting more reverence.”
Not everybody is a moron cult member, you are soon to find that out.
Enjoy all the as-s kissin that the pinko media is showering you with cause that is all you got coming.
This bubble is going to burst.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
BONE HEAD
Castro habría dicho, “cambie”. No “change”. Pero porqué no exactitud del tiro al viento.
Con excepción de usar un mismo término - en un diverso lenguaje - fije por favor otras semejanzas.
Si usted no puede, después usted puede verdad ser una pista del hueso
By SaveOurRepublic
July 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
Jimbo I, you sir are a wise and informed individual. That Orwellian police state is fast coming to fruition, as seen in Europe. Both Globalist puppets “McAmnasty” & “Obummer” will advance the police state via various means. With Neocon, Machiavellian “McAmnasty”, it will probably be via another false flag attack. “Bacrock” will fully acquiesce to the UN and their meddling with U.S. sovereignty. Dr.Paul is a tremendous patriot * & would have certainly turned this nation back to our Constitutional roots. Unfortunately, the controlled “mainstream” media followed their marching orders & tried to first ignore & then marginalize Dr.Paul (despite his massive grassroots support). *Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party has a platform that’s in lock step with Dr.Paul, so I’ll be voting for Baldwin (if on principle only). This voting for the “lesser of two evils” bit is just an extension of the phoney Left vs. Right paradigm, propagated thru the Elite’s various controlled avenues.
http://www.baldwin2008.com
By ^&%
July 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
By Maggie Gallagher
Obama has a problem: What do you do when you’re a lightly accomplished one-term senator, a former state legislator from Illinois, a Harvard law graduate who has no substantive record of accomplishments, and you are running against a war hero whom polls show that Americans overwhelmingly view as far more fit to be commander in chief?
Pose, of course.
What else can a guy like Obama do?
So the man who would be president of the United States of America flies around the world in the middle of a political campaign, enlisting the U.S. military and the Berlin Wall as free campaign commercial backdrops, to lend him the emotional weight and substance — the aura as a commander — that he hasn’t yet earned on his own.
NBC’s Andrea Mitchell was the one journalist with the courage to name what she was actually seeing happen: Obama faking even being interviewed by the press.
“Let me say something about the message management. He didn’t have reporters with him, he didn’t have a press pool, he didn’t do a press conference,” either in Afghanistan or Iraq, noted Mitchell on the air. Instead Obama manufactured “what some would call ‘fake interviews,’ because they are not interviews from a journalist,” Mitchell went on.
Mitchell understands very well that this contrived image management is powerfully all to Obama’s political advantage. He’s shameless when it comes to managing his own image. “Politically it’s as smart as can be,” she conceded before noting the big obvious truth nobody else in the media was bothering to expose: “We’ve not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.”
The whole Obama campaign is something we’ve never seen before — at least not executed to this level of perfection with a media willing to go along because, well, so many of them want it to succeed.
Poor John McCain. He’s so last-century. Still living in a world in which deeds matter, policies matter, what you would actually do with the power entrusted to you matters.
In the op ed the New York Times refused to print (which appeared in the New York Post this week instead), McCain lays out the facts in Iraq:
“Progress has been due mainly to an increase in the number of troops and a change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a time when it had few supporters in Washington. Sen. Barack Obama was an equally vocal opponent.”
Obama, he points out, still claims no political progress is being made. “Perhaps he’s unaware that the U.S. embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, ‘Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress,’” McCain jabs.
He jabs at an opponent who melts away from his punch.
McCain’s approach is all so, well, cognitive. McCain thinks that reality is something that really exists, that has to be dealt with, instead of recognizing that we live in a Brave New World where highly paid symbolic analysts construct reality by manipulating symbols.
The left imagines they learned this from Ronald Reagan and the rise of the right: big strong guy, genial, looks good on camera — bingo! Maybe you can’t fool all the people all the time, but you can fool 51 percent every time, with the right branding and the right kind of images.
God help us when the people who think like that actually run all three branches of our government.
President Obama, if that’s our future, and his team of symbolic analysts will find out soon enough there are realities out there which none of his contrivances are going to be able to help him handle.
More important, so will we.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Corporal
Yeah, I’ve seen both numbers. Still a neat observation, though -
Bosch
Did you read RW-(the original) the other day? ‘Heroes’ fan. Maybe there is something to this ‘change’ and ‘coming together’ after all!
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
CJ:
Yes, use your magical powers to tell me the future of how Al Gore’s presidency would’ve played out. I still believe we were screwed either way, we were just less screwed until September 11, 2001. That was the wildcard condom breaking of us being screwed and I haven’t seen anything from Gore, before or since, that has impressed me, just like in 2004 I didn’t see anything in Kerry that impressed me. I didn’t vote for Bush, but I didn’t vote for Kerry either. Please feel free to give me an alternate history lesson on how his presidency would’ve played out too. The grass always looks greened, but the fact remains that the problem with this country is a two party system where the two parties aren’t that far apart and where they do differ they’re both completely reprehensible in places because of their dogged determination to shaft the american people.. usually with the blessing of their victims. Two parties is way too close to one party for me to ever like it. I want a Baskin Robbins government.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
July 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
There are thousands of American boys buried on European soil. Guess they don’t remember that.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN……………………….
Presumptive Republican candidate for President John McCain is set to give a speech at the Logansport Indiana Elks Lodge. Crowd of 50 expected. Details coming.
By Truth
July 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Sorry if this has been said already but isnt it funny how the majority of Europeans want Obama to be president and that smae majority want to see a weaker America?????
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Paul@11:11,
??????
By Off topic
July 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
A new Falcons blog was posted at 10:35 or so. The headline boasts “DISCUSS.” There were no comments. I submitted one. Let’s just see what happens. To the guy who earlier said maybe the short shrift is because of the preseason being weeks away, well, that might be a half-reared excuse, if it didn’t happen during the season, too.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Paul,
Oh, and BTW, yesterday —
You made me ponder our military presence in Afghanistan, even if you didn’t mean to.
I read someone’s comment last night expressing their disdain for you and RW and their disappointment in me,
BUT,
I still think we need a military presence in Afghanistan, but maybe not the shock and awe presence that we saw in Iraq -
and hopefully, we’ll have planners who are competent at actual planning strategey this time.
And I hope those planners will learn from the mistakes of the Soviets. Wars with Afghanis hasn’t worked out so well for the other guys in recent history.
And like I’ve said before, it’s ALL about money anyway, so there are ways to deal with that too.
As I see it now, Bush’s plan was to never leave Iraq, but to set up shop and let the Big oil companies come in and rape the place.
In Afghanistan, we have a real enemy with real WMDs, and we need to have a real plan. Hopefully, whoever become CIC will have real advisors to come up with a real strategy (notice I’m using the word “real” alot - did you?) and the CIC will actually listen to the real advisors.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Andrea Mitchell???? LOL
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Never trust anyone who endorses a candidate on their car or in their yard. Ever.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, it is everyday that people just up and take two week vacations, usually they decide just hours beforehand, yes indeed.
Jay: Considering that we are having a record breaking cold July here in Hotlanta, I must as-sume that when you say you are “fleeing the heat,” you must mean the heat that Code Pinko has brought upon the new home of the Duh Report, they are calling you every few minutes, aren’t they?
I can’t blame you.
I sincerely hope this isn’t a permanent vacation, although it surely smacks of one, because, as I have said before, I have a new found respect for your abilities, albeit a miniscule amount of respect, but considering my tough standards, you should take great pride in this admission, perhaps even framing this post and displaying on thee fireplace mantel or upon the walls of your cubicle.
No, I’m afraid that I have just chalked up my second AJC blog demise, and although I set upon this mission with much eagerness and determination, now that my stated goals are closing in, I feel a sense of sorrow for all of the blood spilt and hair pulled over the last few years. I’m sure all great warriors do.
Plus I really do not want to bring the insanity down upon Wooten’s operation.
I guess there could be a chance that I’m wrong so allow me to set forth a back up prediction; when your blog returns it will be Mon-Fri, 9:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. with no Jay participation allowed, closed on the weekends.
And to think, all this has been put in place even with me on my best and most measured behavior.
It must be the message, huh?
~~~~~
Witness the candidate’s stammering response to ABC’s Terry Moran, who asked if he would support the surge if he had a do-over. Mr. Obama answers no, and Moran asks incredulously, “You wouldn’t?”
And then: “Hypotheticals like this are tough; hindsight is 20/20.”
Did RW mention that this guy is a dunce?
By getalife "whiners"
July 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Well, when the gop spew drill, drill, drill, show them video of the gigantic oil spill in New Orleans.
Its bad.
I hear Jindal is making plans for his replacement.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Maggie Gallagher is indeed a woman of substance. Be careful what you wish for, libs, it may come true.
By GodHatesTrash
July 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Looks like the Klan trash is out in force again today. KKKommunist, the KKKorporal, @K@K@K, and RayRayKKK. As well as the stumpbroke morons from Luckos old blog.
Trash all. Look in the mirror morons, and you’ll see why people find you disgusting.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Never trust anyone who endorses a candidate on their car or in their yard. Ever.
By @@
July 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
I’ve stopped thinking about Iraq in terms of what constitutes a success or failure. I did not think the attack was necessary, I do not think Iraq was a threat to begin with.
I see “The OCandidate” has got you by the throat. That ^^^ sounds just like him.
It’s not about what Obama says or doesn’t say, to me, it’s about what’s already happened.
Damn straight! Our military efforts have successfully (sorry I know the word success means nothing to you and Obama) diminished the violence - the killing of our troops, as well as the revenge killing perpetuated by militant factions against innocent Iraqis.
That’s a little melodramatic don’t you think?
Yup! It’s my response to the Obama drama over the lack of substance rhetoric that allows him to convince people that his “what-ifs” hold value.
Hindsight alone is not wisdom. And second-guessing is not a strategy. - George W. Bush
Being fair to McCain, his second-guessing did bring about a new strategy….a successful one, but we’ll never know about Obama’s what-if now will we?
By getalife "whiners"
July 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
Was it the surge or the secret surge’s goal for Iraqi political action?
Anyhoo, the kurds walked our after a secret vote for the elections.
I would call that a defeat for the surge but the secret surge, well, we will have to wait for McJoker to explain again.
Lets face it, McJoker would be a bigger disaster than w and why Americans would vote for that is beyond me.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
@@,
Sorry, but I’ll just have to disagree with you like I do RW about Iraq.
I’m glad the violence has settled an our soldiers aren’t getting killed as often.
But I don’t consider 4500 soldier’s death, countless other thousands injured and maimed, and our economic future in the hands of the Chinese as a “success.”
I simply don’t think it was necessary to begin with or worth the seven years and billions of $$$ it took to accomplish whatever it was that we are trying to accomplish over there.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Obama, but I feel, it’s dishonest and over reaction to rhetoric and propoganda. I try to be better than that. But that’s just me.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
@@,
Forgot something.
Do you really think it’s wise to post Bush quotes on this blog?
You know what some could do, right?
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
corporal: I think you’ve stepped into something nasty — with your brain. You said “Europe” was against the colonies. I pointed out that Europeans were not. Still smarting from the loss of Canada to Britian in the French & Indian War, Louis XVI’s governmental ministers actually signed a treaty, negotiated by Ben Franklin, agreeing to help the Colonies and made sure that their old foes were well aware of it. In fact, the two fought again briefly. So before you craft Monday’s quiz, make sure you have a firm grip on the facts. Check out: AMERICANREVOLUTION.ORG where you will find FRANCE IN THE REVOLUTION by James Breck Perkins. Bon appetit!
Commie, ask nicely, and I’m sure someone can prove to you that you will not have to get stitches after anal sex.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Trash,
Where have you been.? Couldn’t get the rock moved so you could crawl out from under it. We’ve missed you, Trash. Let the filth begin!!
By Paul
July 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Bosch 11:16
Political reconciliation and cooperation through sci-fi.
You saw it here first -
your 11:22
Oh, I meant to -
:-)
Altho the larger issue was, so much of what I saw as Iraq criticism was anything that could be said to weaken the Bush Administration. Even if the arguments weren’t all that valid. So the full circle comes when those on the receiving end (Iraq) use the same arguments (valid or not, even though the two situations are vastly different) for Obama/Afghanistan.
I read the same comment and glossed over it. It was more of personal insults masquerading as attempting to make policy points.
I do agree, we do need a presence in Afg. Thank heavens it’s a NATO op. But I do have concerns about the long-term exit strategy.
Your subtlety in using “real” 27 times did not escape me, either!-
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN…………………….
The McCain campaign has just released its plan to upstage Barack Obama’s trip to Europe with a trip of his own.
John McCain will be visiting the European country Transnistria, formerly a part of the Soviet Union. “John is very popular in Transnistria,” said a McCain spokesman. “We expect 20% of their population to be at the speech.” Which would be about 2,000 people. Details to follow.
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
“By “The Corporal”
July 24, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Right now I would rather have a country that Islamic terrorists fear to the point of total inaction on their part - meaning we punched their ticket for their one way trip to allah !
Amen brother! A promotion to sergeant is hereby conferred!
You can take that Euro-love for Obama and quantify it with this: France, Germany and many other nations have had a DRAMATIC increase in Muslim populations in the last few years. They are appeasing them with this favoritism for Obama, because they do not wish to be the next 9-11 targets.
Europe wants a weak America.
With Obama, they get a weak Amerika.
By @@
July 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
So Obama takes a trip to Afghanistan and only then realizes that the mountainous terrain will complicate his plans to pursue Al Qaeda, who, by the way, is hold up in Pakistan.
Well DUH dunce.
It took on the appearance of back-peddling to me.
This guy Obama will never take on any enemy regardless.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Was it really 27 times? Really? Really? Really?
Just kidding.
Out for a bit.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
@@
Do you have a link I can peruse regarding Obama’s Afg comments?
I wonder if the fact some of the mountainous terrain he might have flown over was so high oxygen was required had an impact? Makes things just a tad difficult for our ground forces.
Just tuned in to Bill O’Reilly’s radio show online. The topic? “Have I been too soft on Sen Obama? This is in response to much of my mail.”
Some people here could tune in to hear what he has to say, rather than relying on what others say he said.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
If you want to see American diplomacy making friends and influencing people look no farther than Kosovo. In fact, Kosovo is just a neat place overall.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
Mike Hussein Smith - Right you are, it was the French fleet that drove the British fleet away from saving Cornwallis at Yorktown…It was a French General who convinced George Washington to move South against Cornwallis when Washington could see no advantage in doing so…Washington believed the British fleet would just rescue Cornwallis…But (I cannot spell his name correctly) General Rouchambeau assured Washington that the French fleet would be there to attack the British fleet, even though they it was hurrican season and they would have to sail blind from South of Florida to Yorktown…The French were as good as their word, and the English got a good but kicking….The British, being the nasty little losers they have always been, to this day us Rouchambeau’s name to mean kicking someone in the balls….
By Paul
July 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Jimbo I
Kosovo - one of my favorite examples from the Clinton Administration “We’ll be out by Christmas.”
Never said which Christmas -
Bosch - @@ - Mrs G - heck, anyone else -
Best cartoon yet on Sen Obama in Berlin.
After clicking on the link, click on the ‘toon for July 15
Link: Sen Obama in Berlin
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.
Not only isn’t that his committee, he isn’t even on the committee.
Dunce or liar? Take your pick.
By Ray
July 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
This media contrived doofas will never be an effective leader until he leaves the charm on the sidelines and confronts Islam through a position of strength. It’s all they understand, guys, but he just doesn’t get it. And we are the beneficiaries of this inexperience and naive point of view with disastrous results to our way of life. We are at war with a very smart enemy who wants our head on a pole and to keep our heads intact we have to understand what makes him tick, monitor his communications, not have the liberal press broadcast every move that we make against him and treat him like the true enemy that he is. I wonder whose side the media is on, sometimes. This attempt to sell air time with every little snippet of news coverage is compromising our objective and at the extreme, putting our military at increased risk. But that’s OK, we’ll get a liberal president, who like @@ says, will never confront an enemy. God help the future of my grandchildren.
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
“Corporal,” Bud Wiser: Turkmenistan is where it’s at. No terrorist attacks or groups there.
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Cynthia Tucker calls Heroes a silly kids show with superheroes. Perhaps the reconciliation needs to reach out in the other direction.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
Gee, all this whining and crying about Iran and one or two nukes, while israel has illegally built over 300 nukes, with american help at that….so if israel agrees to end it nuclear program, and turn all its nuclear weapons over to the Russians for orderly disposal, Iran will agree to end its nuclear weapons program..but only on those conditions.
By delois
July 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
Thanks Clear Channel - you had an entire newscast at 11:00 last night with nary a word about the presidential campaign. At this point, I’m more interested in Gwinnett County overspending my tax dollars on a land deal than I am listening to the news about those two morons running for President. I’m a middle-classed hardworking American and if either of them get elected, I’m still screwed so I may as well worry about what’s going on locally as I do have a louder voice in local politics. Seeing as I don’t belong to the groups Obama and McCain are pandering to, I won’t be the recipient of any of the benefits they are promising to their constituents.
By Ryno
July 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
Bookman, we all know you are in a deep love withr obama like europeans. It would really be an improvement for this country if you moved over there because I think those are your type of people over there. You can take your friends pelosi and reid with you, obama can stay over there too. As for the geneva convention, it does not apply to unlawful soldiers not in uniform. These are terrorists that do not wear a uniform. I know you would rather there be a terrorist attack on this country then have one terrorist tortured, that is pretty clear. As for your European friends they would all be speaking German if it wasn’t for America, because they were too weak to take on Hitler. As for today sorry we have to lead the war on terror, if not us nobody else will do it.
By SaveOurRepublic
July 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
CJ @ 11:02 AM EDT - You and Jimbo are both correct (to varying degrees). Jimbo is absolutely correct that (beneath the empty rhetoric) there’s no real difference between Globalist shill A (“McAmnasty”) & Globalist shill B (“Bacrock Obummer”), they are both controlled by the same Elite Ma$ters!
You are correct (to a degree) that it matters who we vote for…so long as it’s not controlled GOP or DNC nominees. A third party candidate is need most, given this farce of a “2 sides of 1 coin” supposed two-party system. While Bob Barr is solid on defending the Bill of Rights, he has some past Neocon leanings. I fully support paleoconservative patriot Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party!
http://www.baldwin2008.com
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
By the way, this article of Jay’s is a complete crock of BS. History didn’t begin on 1/20/2001 and if European countries looked up to us up until then, why is it that many of their governments have only now taken the first steps to emulating us? What they really want is us to be like them and in Obama they see that hope that we’ll change into weak kneed socialists too.
That being said, if the left wants to get McBushie elected in a landslide just keep trotting out those European poll numbers.
Has The Dunce made his speech at Hitler’s monument yet?
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Ryno rocks!
By Bob
July 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
Jay; When are you going to sign up for Obama’s campaign team? I used to somewhat respect you but as time goes on you deserve that less and less. At least be honest enough to quit your day job and put on the cheerleading outfit with the big “O” and go for it fulltime or is that where you are taking your vacation? Being just one more media paparazzi for Obama.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original) 12:33
And she’s lead for analyzing concepts?
I rest my case -
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
To Ryno and other meatheads: There is nothing wrong with Europeans liking the president we elect. They liked FDR, HST, Ike, JFK, Nixon, Jimmah, Reagan, Bush I and Clinton. The Poles weren’t too keen on Ford, especially after his foot in mouth during the debate, and few on the Continent care for Bush II. But few on this continent — or in this country, for that matter — care for Bush II. Also: Jay ain’t here, Ryno, and I doubt he’ll read your dribbling when he returns from vacation. So let me set you straight: The British invested blood, sweat and tears to defeat the Germans before the US got involved. Try telling Churchill he was too weak. And the French underground did all it could — in the face of capture and execution — to ensure that Paris did not fall to the Nazis. Those of you who ignore history are doomed to get beat over the head with it.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
Ryno probably has one of those updated Bush I bumper stickers. Bush I used to whine about the media coverage Clinton got and sold ” Annoy the Media, Vote Bush”
The updated whiny bumper sticker….”Annoy the Media, Vote McBush”
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Too bad Cynthia Tucker didn’t take over Jay’s blog while he is on vacation. Of course, she is on permanent vacation…..from reality. Don’t criticize her either because you are then branded an immediate racist. She is another left wing loon who never lets the facts get in the way of a good socialist story.
Anyone who thinks Jimmy Carter had one good idea while he was President has to be delusional. He was the most incompetent President in history, even more so than our current one. And to boot, he let the Iranian punks hold Americans hostage for most of his presidency, who were subsequently released when Ronald Reagan took office. The Islamo-fascists were scared sh!tless of Reagan, but are in full support of Obama for President.
http://www.muslimsforobama08.com/
Does that tell you anything? You stupid tools of the left are in league with Muslim extremists! And you defend it! The media and tools like yourselves all crowed victory before George McGovern and Michael Dukakis ran, and look what happened to them….the near most lopsided defeats in election history. You are on the side 9or right behind, depending upon your Democrat Party tendencies) of another loser, but that’s okay because you are all LOSERS too.
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Paul,
What it does say is that she’ll write authoritatively on something she hasn’t the slightest idea about. The only way you could come to her conclusion is from seeing some of the very earliest commercials, but never watching the show.
Kind of like picking a President based on a few sound bites.
By Borat Obama
July 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Nice to see Osama in Germany with his fellow Demokrauts.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
CNN carrying the speech live
HOLY COW WHAT A CROWD!
OBAMA
OBAMA
By MRJ
July 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Of course European countries want Obama. What Jay failed to mention is that they also want a weaker America.
Liberals are absolutely obsessed with how EU countries feel about us. Make no mistake, when SHTF in Europe because of unabated growth in Islamic extremism, many of those nations will be clamoring for American aid. Caring about what European states think about us is like letting Berkeley dictate what happens in the rest of America.
I suspect a lot of liberals in this country would be ecstatic if we woke up one day and were just like Europe. Awesome, human rights tribunals where we strip people of speech under the pretense of tolerance!!! Of course, the mood might sour some when people realize that there is growing fanaticism in their neighborhoods, gas is twice as much as in the US, and unemployment is unbelievably higher. What? I thought American conservatism is the reason for our economic woes? Well at least we have an awesome healthcare system, right? What! You mean the best pharmaceutical companies and doctors don’t live here? Well, at least we won’t have to deal with all those greedy corporations, considering industry avoids these high-tax nations like the plague.
By Off topic
July 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
I apologize for my earlier post. I assumed the limited commenting on the Falcons blog was due to the author. It is not. Lea Donsky, interactivity manager, explained that the automatic posting was turned off because of the nastiness of the comments during the Vick troubles. I am sorry Steve. And, thanks to the AJC, Ms. Donsky in particular for being so responsive. Your reasoning for changing the commenting feature for that blog is certainly understandable.
Sincerely, Peyton Walters
By THERESE PERSAUD
July 24, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
Jay ..this was informative knowledgeable and right on target. Unfortunately the forces of deceit have taken over and have permeated the brains and souls of already biased Americans.Even though what you write about the need to change the way we are doing business , I am afraid the average American is still IGNORANT and will probably opt for BOMB BOMB BOMB the rest of the world and leave our oppressd masses in their misery because they deserve it!!
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
I guess the press is just as deluded everywhere.
In comparison to US elections, German political campaigns are short, stolid and sober affairs that focus as much on party platforms as personalities. In the wake of World War II, many Germans view charismatic leadership with mistrust.
Every bit of the rest of this guy’s article belies that statement of the wary Germans , but he just mindlessly bangs away at that keyboard.
By cc
July 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
I for one could care less about the europeans whether they like our choice in Presidents or not. I don’t trust a man who belittles americans by telling them they should make sure our children know how to speak spanish than having illegal aliens come in this country who don’t or won’t learn the language of this country. He’s doesn’t stand for anything but himself and the media is doing nothing but kissing his butt. He will bring down the american way of life. And before any on you kool-aid drinkers call me a racist or a nazi I’m a black woman who knows a phoney when I see one. Obama is a fake and a phoney who can’t function without a teleprompter. He sounds like Porky Pig when he can’t answer a question. So all you underachievers I’m praying that you don’t get your wish and vote in the “Next Messiah” Which is total crap.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
THIS JUST IN…………………..
For those of you in Berlin that are on the way to see Obama speak, please, GO BACK HOME. REPEAT turn around and go home. The area is at capacity and no more people will fit in that huge space.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
If anybody is wondering what sort of POS would vote for Lord High Dimwit, this should leave no doubts:
Before he died Wednesday evening, death row inmate Dale Leo Bishop apologized to his victim’s family, thanked America and urged people to vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Euroweenies and killers all flocking to their leader.
How nice.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Paul,
This is something Clinton did right. KFOR has done a good job protecting the various ethnic groups in former Yugoslavia from each other and allowed the Kosovars to declare independence and form their own nation in some semblance of security from nationalist Serbian aggression. Thankfully the nationalist Serbian movement is losing power. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to fully appreciate what a genius Tito was under the circumstances.
I’m pulling for Kosovo, also I hope Albania settles down.. I’m ok committing troops to causes when they’re good ones and our work in former Yugoslavia is a good example of us doing the job right.
I wish we could’ve done better in places like Somalia, perhaps if we’d allowed the use of armor and gunships. The performance of lighter armored units like the Stryker and astonishingly the Bradley have proven that they would’ve been very helpful in the mess that was Mogadishu. (Yes I know the Stryker is relatively new to the US inventory, but it’s not.. it’s MOWAG design built under license.. in Canada possibly..)
By mr. mike
July 24, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Kudos to M.H. Smith & G.H. Washington; who actually know & understand history. G.H.; you’re referring to Jean Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur/Comte de Rochambeau who in fact pointed General Washington away from an attack on Brit troops in NYC & towards Cornwallis at Yorktown. Bud Wiser; I disagree with your politics; but that’s fine. You might, however, want to not align yourself with the Ryno types; who think we “bailed out France twice”? Umm; those of you who beleive that nonsense must be unaware that the French army never held less than 68% of the Western front in the Great War & essentially the French won that war. Check out a book called Pyrrhic Victory by a guy Hannity probably thinks is a left-wing liberal who hates America: Brig. Gen. Robert Doughty; the chief military history instructor at West Point for 20 years.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
I’m watching.
Can’t believe the size of that crowd!!!
WOW!!!!
By getalife "whiners"
July 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Nice trick to have a free concert to attract the masses.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
RW and Paul,
Random segway here -
So, do you watch Heroes?
Paul,
Is that what you were referring to a while back?
You asked me if I read RW’s post a while back and I wasn’t sure what you were talking about.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
McCain To Be In German Restaurant While Obama Gives Berlin Speech
May I suggest the schnitzel?
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Abami nation, indeed: Bush 1 got 426 electoral votes to Dukakis’ 111. Carter got 45 EVs to Reagan’s 493. FDR got 449 EVs to Willkie’s 82. Explain how that squares with what you said about Dukakis. Those of you who ignore history — and math — are truly living dangerously.
Ray: We already have a charmless president. We don’t need another one. What’s wrong with charm? It is an element of true leadership. Lots of our prezzes have had it: Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Ike, JFK, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and, to a lesser extent, Bush 1. All bad, huh?
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Midori,
I’d be tossing back some Beck’s if I were McCain right about now.
By Borat Obama
July 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Wow, listen to the crowd…”Heil, Heil, Heil….”
By @@
July 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 11:12:
This one was handy:
“I think in Afghanistan, looking at the landscape and the extraordinary poverty involved, makes you realise what a daunting task our efforts there are going to be,” Obama told Time.
“It redoubles my belief, or deepens my belief, that if we’re going to get that done we’re going to have put in more resources,” he said in the interview posted on the magazine’s website.
Obama learns from, what many perceive as Bush’s mistakes, and then puts forth McCain’s successes (more troops) always being careful not to acknowledge anyone else’s successes, past and present - our troops or McCain’s surge. Nosiree, let’s all focus on the potential of his. His future plans for Afghanistan mirror those of McCain. His unilateral plans to go into Pakistan mirror Bush’s actions in Iraq. Is it any wonder that McCain chuckles when hearing Obama put forth “a surge” into Afghanistan/Pakistan….no man’s land.
Obama is saying the wrong things about Afghanistan
A senior Taliban leader was killed by a British airstrike the other day. Only hours before another senior Taliban leader had turned himself in fearing that he might meet the same fate. Maybe it was the fear that an Obama presidency presented. COALITION FORCES did that without the obumbler.
Give me a break!
By TrueDat
July 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
Obama is unbelievable. There is patriotic American who can bring real integrity to the White House!
Thank you Jesus, for Obama, thank you!
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
IMHO Heroes is one of the best shows ever made.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why isn’t The Dunce making this speech in German? It seems like the crowd only reacts when he says Berlin.
Oh that’s right, he tells us he’s embarrassed by people that don’t speak languages other than English, but he only speaks English.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I hope he has his, um, protective underwear on.
You know how beer tends to go right thru a person :)
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
Uh Oh, did you see The Dunce go into sheer panic when his teleprompter bobbled in the middle of the word responsibilities?
What an empty suit.
By TrueDat
July 24, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Is Mclame really at a weiner-schnetzil house in Ohio? This as a follow-up to the lame JV press reporter badge gimmick?
WHo’s advising him the Joker?
By BoneHead
July 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Yep Obama, Castro and Mrs. Godzilla, all are thinking the same. America was founded to get away from socialism and communism. If you would like to go back to that you have the freedom to leave. That is what America is about FREEDOM. So if you want socialized medicine go to Canada, there is a reason they come here for treatment. It amazes me that liberal idiots think that they can tell a doctor who they will see and how much they will charge, that is NOT freedom. So Mrs. Godzilla please feel free to leave, when you get sick you can come back here to get treated, or wait 6 months to see some one. IDIOT. Go get an education, spend 10 years to get a degree and have Mrs. Godzilla tell what you can or can’t do…. . Go see a doctor with 143 day of experience, would you? What a loser you are
By Ryno
July 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Hussein, I never said they didn’t fight, what I said is that had we not come to their aid they would be speaking german right now. They might never have had this problem if Chamberlain hadn’t tried to go with the appeasement route with Hitler. Kind of like Obama wants to do with Iran. That is weak so yes Europe showed weakness. Like you said we must know history so we don repeat it. You are so clueless at the terror that is out there right now. You are with Bookman I am sure, it is not worth torturing one terrorist to save thousand of American lives. Liberals are weak, Liberalism kills more things then anything in this world.
By TrueDat
July 24, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
RW,
Here’s a clueless empty suit for you, or maybe dementia? care to defend?
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6IlGXhCUHo]
By Copyleft
July 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Wrong again, BoneHead… America was founded to get away from feudalism. Remember King George? He wasn’t a socialist, he was a KING.
America’s founding fathers didn’t want anarchy; they simply wanted a government that was publicly accountable to the people it served.
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Troofie,
Too clueless to post a link or is it dementia?
By Copyleft
July 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Seems like Ryno has lost touch with reality as well—not to mention what America stands for.
it is not worth torturing one terrorist to save thousand of American lives.
That’s exactly right—it ISN’T. A free society is less safe than a tyrannical regime, and I’m fine with that. We either stand by our principles when the chips are down, or we don’t have any.
And no, “Whatever it takes to survive” isn’t a principle; it’s cowardice. Are you as much of a coward as the other torture-lovers, Ryno?
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Obama recently said he wants to be Commander “of” Chief.
Lord help us …………..
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Would any of you moonbat(ic)s® like to speculate on why Obambi kept trying to imitate Reagan instead of Kennedy? There sure are lots of imaginary walls he wants some unknown people with some unknown plan to tear down.
By Taxpayer
July 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
By the way, did anyone see McCain…Oh, that’s right. No one cares.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
Is that like “putting food on your family”?
or, “The economy is growing, productivity is high, trade is up, people are working. It’s not as good as we’d like, but — and to the extent that we find weakness, we’ll move.” —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 15, 2008?
or, “Amigo! Amigo!” —George W. Bush, calling out to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish at the G-8 Summit, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008
or, “I heard somebody say, ‘Where’s (Nelson) Mandela?’ Well, Mandela’s dead. Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas.” —George W. Bush, on the former South African president, who is still very much alive, Washington, D.C., Sept. 20, 2007?
I’m surprised we still have a semblance of a “country”.
The Lord did help us……
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
I’ll agree that the French made victory in the great war possible and obviously fought a substantial portion of the war in their own country.
I’ll agree that the capabilities and courage of the french fighting man in the great war was beyond doubt.
I disagree that the french were the deciding factor in final victory.
The Armée de Terre relied on the “Offensive Spirit” doctrine for the first few years of the war. This doctrine relied on unrelenting assault and superior aggressiveness on the part of the French to carry the battle. Once prepared defenses started to appear this doctrine was less than useless. Yet the soldiers kept it up for years until eventually striking. They told their officers that they would defend their current positions to the death, but they would no longer engage in disastrous assaults against fixed positions. Of course by this point most of their pre-war professional army was dead (same with the british, there was a steep decline in the quality of soldier available on all fronts from 1914 to 1918).
The convoy system kept the Entente powers alive, so in a sense we were bailing them out the whole time with supplies vital to their war effort. I was taught in Naval Science that the convoy system was an American invention and that by the time we entered the war the UK was looking at seeking terms with the germans around fall of 1917. I can’t actually cite a source for that though it’s undeniable that US supplies kept them fighting and those convoys were coming from us.
The Mk.I-Mk.V heavy tanks were designed and deployed by the British. While the FT17(a french light tank that Patton rode into battle in WWI- in fact he was wounded commanding one) tanks were numerous and popular it was the heavy British tanks that really made the difference. The French heavy tank design was a terrible failure.
The Doughboy was a great addition to allied forces once we entered the war, no one can dispute that. Our troops were fresh (and sort of gigantic and scary from what I understand) and not the conscripted product of years of attrition. We did make a huge difference in the war. It should be noted that we showed up and began using French or British equipment, so it wasn’t like WWII where we appeared behind a massive wave of gear and supplies.
The French certainly did their share to ensure that the central powers lost the war. Only a fool would argue otherwise.
Also the French did contribute massively to our victory at Yorktown. Their navy prevented Cornwallis’ retreat by sea and their troops, money, and officers helped (at various times) train and support the continental army. However I think Washington gets far too much credit. He was nothing compared to the likes of Nathaniel Greene or Henry “Horse” Lee and I think Francis Marion may’ve even made a showing at Yorktown in the end… Washington’s greatest celebrated victory was against a bunch of drunken mercenaries who were wintered in Delaware during Christmas… yee. haa. I have more respect for Lafayette than I do for Washington when it comes to military matters.. anyhoo..
In WWII the French were still smarting from losing literally millions of people in the first war. The Armée de Terre had the most men and tanks in the world and most of them were better on paper than the german ones (see the S35 or the B1bis) but a lot of them were unreliable and many more were descended directly from WWI designs. They were deployed to support infantry units and against the tactics of Heinz Guderian with his massed armor they never had a chance. It doesn’t matter how great your tank is when the enemy has 10 more than you (ironically something the germans would learn again later in the war).
Even the British with the best tank in the field, the Matilda II, got their clocks cleaned by the Germans. I’ve maintained that against the forces in the battle of France we would’ve folded pretty quick too and it would’ve been a guerilla war for most of the country right quick.
If you want to bring someone’s fighting ability into question, you should leave the French alone and pester the Italians.
Kicked around in WWI, pushed out of France in their own invasion.. Fought a long war against the Ethiopians until the Germans showed up to help. Even then Hans Von Luck said in his memoirs that the fighting spirit of the Italians wasn’t to be under-estimated so I guess it’s who you ask.
By pat
July 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
Whopie, the messianic Obama who never met a fetus he didn’t want to abort…What a pius and good man.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer,
I’ve found McCain: “You kids! Yeah YOU! Get off my Lawn!”
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Midori,
I guess it all Depends on which kind of beer. Snicker. Snicker. :-)
RW,
I agree with your Heroes assessment. You should watch Battlestar, as should all other human beings.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Jimbo I 1:18
I do not dispute good resulted from our intervention. I was on my refrain that we commit to an area with centuries-long animosities, then remain. Forever, it seems.
I generally hold the purpose of the US military is to defend US national interests. Where non-US interest horrors are taking place – that’s a UN role. But seeing how the member states are the very ones perpetuating the horrors (or condoning them), action is often not taken. Then we go in. And often stay.
BTW – I note we received zero credit for our defense of Muslim lives in Kosovo. In fact, many in the Muslim world viewed it negatively. No good deed goes unpunished.
Bosch 1:21
Is the Pope Catholic?
Yup, that’s what I was talking about.
Your 1:28 to Midori
I’d think he’d be wanting to do Boilermakers about now. “Psst, Sen McCain, goad Obama into going to Iraq… what’s the worst that could happen?”
@@ 1:31
Like I said, there goes money, resources, manpower for a long, long time. And I still have to ask, in response to those who say Afg’s the ‘real’ battlefield (a view they obviously don’t share with the guy we’re battling – OBL – who just months ago said it’s Iraq): “Why?” Afg is where OBL was headquartered. They had a gov’t joined at the hip with AQ. The gov’t’s gone, OBL’s gone. Again: “Why?”
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
LOL, Bosch!! good one!!!
Paul: ummmmmmmmmmm………..
boilermakers……………………
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Copyleft, Don’t be dumb. There are two Americas, North and South. They existed long before the United States. The United States wasn’t created to escape feudalism because England had no more serfs. England had become a constitutional monarchy.. which is different. See Russia at the time for comparison.
The North American colonies were created for one of two reasons. 1. Escaping religious intolerance (Plymouth) 2. Economic enrichment (Jamestown)
Pennsylvania was created specifically on the ideals of human rights and freedoms.. New Amsterdam was a rich trading hub..
South American colonies were mostly about economic enrichment.. and conquest..
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
To Mike Hussein Smith:
Much more complicated that you suggest.
From “Wars of the American Revolution”:
“………..As a result, the American Revolution became an inspiration to other colonial peoples in the nineteenth century. This was especially true for Spanish-American liberators like Simon Bolivar who, in throwing off Spanish rule, looked to the example of the American Revolution.
“Almost 18,000 Loyalists actually joined the British army and fought against Americans. These conflicts were often extremely violent and bitter, reminiscent of ethnic conflicts between Serbians and Bosnians today.
“…..The Spanish monarchy would regret its decision (to assist the Colonists) in the nineteenth century when its own colonies would revolt citing the American example).
“Perhaps the final irony of French assistance to America (and proving once again that no good deed goes unpunished) is that it led to the financial collapse of the French ancien regime. And the bankruptcy of Louis XVI was one of the major causes of the French Revolution.”
Bottom line - Europe paved it’s own way to revolution by helping the American Colonies - many in their governments knew that would happen and resisited it ………
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Paul,
There are a number of reasons for that. 1. When the mujihadeen came through to “help” the Kosovars they said “No thank you, please send money and guns or leave us alone”
The Kosovars feel they have more in common with Israel than Arab muslim nations.. go figure.
The Kosovars have basically rejected wahhabist muslims and show an extreme disdain for them overall (from what I’ve read they don’t consider Islamist to be muslims at all)
It’s also my understanding that their brand of Islam has more in common with Sufism than Salafism (which is the root of Wahhabism actually). Sufism is more mystical and about interpretations of the Koran and less cemented in the Koran’s literal words. Sufis are not popular with Salafis in general.. go figure.
This is at least what my research has told me, I’m sure there are conflicting reasons. Long story short I’m going to Kosovo in the next five years to see for myself.
By Paul
July 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
Midori 2:13
Not just drinking beer. Doing a shot of whiskey, followed by a beer. Then another shot, another beer. The way things are going, this is just getting started…
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Ryno, I grew up speaking/reading English and I know what you said: “they were too weak to take on Hitler.” Chamberlain was an idiot, granted, as were some other european leaders through most of the 1930s, and Stalin was two-faced. But two days after Hitler invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, the Allies declared war on Germany. Despite great losses of life, Russia, Britain and the French Resistance held off Hitler until the GIs arrived in 1942 to help them finish the job.
By ND
July 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
The world doesn’t want an America they can look up to — it just wants an America that won’t look down upon them. Get your facts straight.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
To Midori:
No, it’s like saying:
“Israel supports Israel” and “I have been to 57 states”.
You guys had better keep him on that teleprompter ! I can’t wait until he has to debate without one !!!
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
Part of the reason why there is not this instant democracy in Iraq is because people are still recovering from Saddam Hussein’s brutal rule. I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, where’s Mandela? Well, Mandela is dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas. He was a brutal tyrant that divided people up and split families, and people are recovering from this. So there’s a psychological recovery that is taking place. And it’s hard work for them. And I understand it’s hard work for them. Having said that, I’m not going the give them a pass when it comes to the central government’s reconciliation efforts.
Gosh, when you look at it context it’s obvious that he’s said there is no Mandela equivalent in Iraq since Saddam had killed them all.
It’s always a good idea to check when some moronic left wing parrot tries to rewrite history.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
Now back to the mess we have to clean up
In a new installment of Bush League Justice today, guest Julian Epstein, former counsel to the House Judiciary Committee, stated that Republicans will admit, off-camera, that the case against former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman was fixed.
By BoneHead
July 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
CopyLeft, you think our founding fathers would vote for Obama, I don’t think so.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
Hitler attacked Stalin to stop him from attacking Germany. It was a pre-emptive strike. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a ruse.. probably by both sides to prepare for a war against each other. Operation Barbarossa wouldn’t have succeeded without Stalin’s planes and troops sitting within easy range of german bombers (which had comparatively short legs)… why were stalin’s men sitting so close to the German border? In preparation for an attack.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
sure Paul — I do that with cognac :)
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
Don’t forget that just the other day Obambi said he expected to be President for 8 to 10 years.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
this is too easy
pick and choose at your own leisure.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Oh, and just so there’s no confusion.. we weren’t the key factor that won the second world war. We made sure Britain stayed in the war and our bombers did a great deal to support victory but if you look at technology that the Germans developed for land combat you see that most of the Tigers, King Tigers, Stg44 rifles and equipment like that went to kill Russians.
The Soviets were ultimately the deciding factor in winning the war in Europe. (Though we can clearly claim victory in the Pacific ocean, but not in northern China, that was the Soviets again)
By Paul
July 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Jimbo I
Thanks for the new info. Makes today a success.
Midori
Cognac?!!? My, you are a woman of elegant tastes -
out for a while -
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
++ Visit to US Military Bases Cancelled ++1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,” a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.” Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
He wants to go shopping instead.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
Mike Hussein Smith - I agree with you on Europe, but I do not understand why the foreign country of Israel gets a veto on our choice for president? Are we not electing a President based on what is best for America, and not what is best for the foreign country of Israel? Any American who votes for someone based mostly on how much money, how many weapons, and how much diplomatic cover they will give to a foreign country is in my opinion a TRAITOR to America and should be treated as such…
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Hey Corporal, you’re dancing with the village idiot when you try to bring reason, intelligence, and just plain common sense to Midori.
She has the intellectual capacity of a turnip, and she and Mrs Godzilla like to swap recipes, among other things.
‘Just be sure to wash it before you bring it back.’
By Goldie
July 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
RW, Dusty, Mike Hussein, Corporal and other Repug trolls here — RIP.
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
“corporal” I agree with what you said at 2:17, but the American Revolution took place in the 18th century. Your points, except for the treason of turncoat loyalists, took place after the war had ended. Before the war, the Colonies had a lot of European support — and Louis XVI was as good as doomed even then.
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Yesterday we learned that the DNC was evading taxes on fuel in Denver. Now it looks like they might be sticking Denver with the gas tab too.
We’re also bothered by the fact this deal is based on a $466,125 contract that has yet to be inked. That’s bad business practice. The city needs to get the contract signed before letting people take the goods — in this case, filling up at city pumps.
By @@
July 24, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Again: “Why?”
Well Paul, as much as the leftists won’t wanna hear this, it’s so Obama can put forth HIS cowboy image.
Obama has already irritated Jordan, Afghanistan and Pakistan. I thought he was supposed to be good at this negotiating stuff. Common courtesy is being displayed, but the big boys are, for now, very wary of Obama’s inexperience.
I’d be willing to bet that he had no clue that an alternative home for Palestinian’s in Jordan was tied into the Israel/Palestinian peace negotiations. When he was asked where he stood on that little appendage within the agreement, he stammered, stuttered and ended up with a “no comment” comment.
Dadgum it! He’s supposed to know how to make everybody happy. So what’s wrong Mr. Right?
By Midori
July 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
McCain plans trip overseas
This just in!!!
To counter Obama’s highly successful foreign tour, John McCain will show his strength by visiting Czechoslovakia and the Iraq-Pakistani border.
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Hey Goldie, have someone read to you the count again when Carter, Dukakis, McGovern and Kerry ran against real men in the elections. And what do they all have in common with B. Hussein Obama? Anti-war liberals, at a time in history when our country has been handed the reins by the rest of the trembling-with-fear world (I don’t want to get involved) has shrugged off their own responsibilities with yet another chorus of “Let America Do It.”
While you’re at it, read my 12:57 post. LOSER.
hahahahaha
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
Did I mention that Midori claimed (more than once) that Germany attacked us first and that is why we fought them in WWII? And that Congress declared war in Korea? Surely you are smarter than that….maybe not.
hahahahaha
By @@
July 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Iraq’s Mandelas had purple fingers. It just goes to show that Obama believes that people are worthless without a leader.
Joik!
By mr. mike
July 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Jimbo 1 @2:06: That’s about as accurate a synopsis as this old military historian has encountered. Kudos to you, sir. My area of specialty was/is the Great War; I’ll defer to most anyone’s greater body of knowledge of WWII. Concur vis-a-vis Genl Washington; more of an “inspirational” leader than a tactician; as a strategist; really quite weak throughout. Concur as well with accurate assessment of the ualities of Genl Greene; albeit I still believe the great unsung American military hero of all time to be Daniel Morgan; a predominant factor at Quebec, Saratoga & of course Cowpens. Lastly; Foch as Supreme Commander is what Eisenhower should have been, but wasn’t. Hard to see an incorrect strategic or tactical error from Foch from Second Marne forward. And of course; the Doughboys were a massively-contributing factor; from Soissons straight thru to the Meuse-Argonne(well at least after about 10-11-18; steep learning curve before that). I much enjoy Bookman’s writing and trenchant analysis; I’m still a McCain guy, though.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
Walking in the open without shutting down the city with soldiers.
In the middle of a cheering crowd. Without a trace of fear or apprehension on ANYBODY’S face.
Without paranoia.
Completely comfortable in a crowd of hundreds of thousands.
In a large city in a foreign nation.
When’s the last time America witnessed such as this?
How long has it been?
How LONG, George?
By Poet
July 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
While I admit that our current president has been less than effective in his relationships with the leaders of foreign countries, I’m afraid Obama, while admittedly more eloquent and articulate, is just another politician. Like nearly all politicians, he wants nothing more than to be elected and to remain in power.
I have no respect for the man and refuse to vote for anyone who supports abortion and other left wing causes. If the international community wants someone like Obama than, as far as I’m concerned, they can have him.
By NewsFlash
July 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
More proof of the hype and hypocrisy from the GOP:
“GOP kills effort to release oil from US stockpile”
If the GOP had approved the release of the oil, then poor old McCain could have made a claim that oil prices dropped when new oil supplies were brought to the market (as opposed to the utterly stupid remarks he actually made). If drill, drill, drill is the answer even though no new oil would be available for years, then surely pump, pump, pump for immediate oil supplies on the market is even better. I think the Dems made their point.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this
um,
isn’t declaring “war” on a country considered an attack?
you suck at “gotcha”.
you really do, BW.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
The American Civil Liberties Union obtained several internal Bush administration documents it says authorizes the CIA to torture detainees.
By Blind Homer
July 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Bud Weiser - More of your revisionist history @12:57. The Algiers Accord was most likely brought about by continued economic and political sanctions imposed by Carter and the Iraqi invasion of Iran in September preceding the release, nd nothing to do with Reagan. However, there is a fairly popular belief known as the October Surprise that basically says rather than fear Raygun the Iranians made an agreement with Raygun officials to ensure the hostages were released after the election. The Raygun admin part of the deal was delivered later with the sale of arms to the Iranians. Basically, the traitor Raygun delayed the release of American hostages and provided weapons to the enemy to ensure he was elected.
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
Midori, Mrs. G — Thanks for the many chuckles you’ve provided today. Every link was a winner.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
McCain makes gaffe, says Iraq ‘1st conflict’ after 9/11
it’s getting to be gaffe du jour
By getalife "whiners"
July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
Yeah, McJoker is a joke.
Any dem should have a double digit lead on McJoker.
By How LONG, Midori?
July 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
February, 2008
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Makes you wonder why Clinton did nothing but Monica when Bin laden declared war on us, by Midori’s ‘logic” doesn’t it?
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
To Midori:
Gaffes are gaffes on both sides. We all make them. The proof of the pudding will be when Obama and McCain are debating off the “teleprompters” (although at this time Obama and his staff are resisting any one on one debates with McCain where they can ask each other direct questions and have a true debate - what’s up with that?). Let’s talk again after that.
By Leigh
July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
I find the point of view expressed in this article extremely naive. The USA does not need to be loved or even respected by the rest of the civilized world— much of which is not exactly what I’d term civilized. America need only be recognized for the power that it is, and known for the fact that its citizens will expend any effort required to protect our peaceful way of life.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Lol Midori!
McCain was actually having lunch at a German restaurant in Ohio. A “sausage haus.” No joke!
He gave a very rousing speech after lunch to a very enthusiastic Republican crowd. I don’t have the exact transcript of the speech but I hear it went something like this……
Meanwhile, a man has to do his part for his country. He needs to mirror and affirm his country’s toughness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his best friends, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with his girlfriend. He can carry a big gun in public. He can pound his head into a brick wall. He can even take his friend with him into the shower, where the friend cannot help but notice that he has a sausage, just like his, only bigger.
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
Midori,
A military action is not a declaration of war. A formal declaration of war takes an act of congress and there hasn’t been one of those since World War II. We declared war on Germany because of their strategic alliance with Japan who attacked us. We declared war on all the Axis powers at the same time (everyone forgets Italy.. there’s a reason for that).
Korea eventually became a UN policing action to check the aggression of the North Korean communists against the South Koreans. As watching any given episode of MAS*H would tell you, soldiers of all nationalities fought against the North Korean and Chinese forces (Russia sent forces into the area covertly, for example, a lot of MIG 15 pilots were Russians) under the blue banner. Even though a UN resolution(s) were passed supporting military intervention there was never a formal declaration of war in the US.
By Fruitless Objections
July 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
They should call the next hurricane, “Fannie Mae”. So what if they foreclose on your home when it’s flooded anyway.
Score!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Well, it has been learned that before the presumptive Democrat nominee spoke to a crowd in Berlin Thursday, two popular German acts — reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn — entertained the gathering audience.
Will media report this tonight, or just gush and fawn over the huge crowd again?
Hehehehehe.
By Bosch
July 24, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
Don’t presidential debates happen AFTER the nominations? Just checking. Wait, I just did. YES! They do!!
I personally can’t wait to the debates. Obama’s articulation v. McCain’s mumbling. It ought to be good.
RW,
OBL and al-Qaeda aren’t sovreign nations.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Second, being the favorite of the press doesn’t necessarily win you votes. Most people don’t actually like the press. The friend of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Being liked by the boys and girls on the bus doesn’t necessarily earn you the respect of the people back home. Standing up to them, giving as good as you get, all that helps. But if being loved by the press were a sure route to success, Hillary Clinton would never have carried all those big states after March 1. Ronald Reagan would never have gotten elected President. George Bush would have lost, twice.
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
To Jimbo I:
And few people know (or care unfortunately) that in addition to United States trooops in the Vietnam Conflict (yes - “Conflict” is on the Iwo Jima Memorial), South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, and the Philippines had troops there. Like South Korea, Taiwan wanted to send whole divisions but we resisted that so as to not “upset” China. This was mainly due to SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) wherein other countries were to come to the aid of a treaty country that was invaded by a foreign army. Everyone thinks our war in Vietnam was about the Viet Cong. That was only approximately 10% of the conflict. 90% was with the regulare North Vietnamese Army who had invaded the South. After the fall of South Vietnam in April 1975 the North Vietnamese basically subjugated the southern communists. Many of them also fled the country as they felt they had been betrayed (no honor among thieves).
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
No kidding, Bosch, but they were being sheltered by a sovereign nation when they declared war on us
You also obviously haven’t heard Obambi without a teleprompter lately. He was OK in the Dem debates because he was speaking his true leftist beliefs, but he’s pathetic with his made up centrist act.
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Well, it has been learned that before the presumptive Republican nominee spoke to a crowd of 33 at an Ohio Sausage Haus, two popular Republican acts — “The Lawrence Welk Band” and a Liberace impersonator — entertained the gathering audience.
Will Republicans talk about this tonight, or just gush and fawn over the huge sausage again?
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
To Bosch:
Don’t be such a knucklehead.
Of course they are and I have personally been to many (I used to help provide security for them ………… :o) before I retired. The point is, they are already being scheduled. This is a huge effort involving networks, cities, campaign schedules for both sides, Secret Service planning, etc. The point is that Obama’s side has been REJECTING any format that allows direct debate and questions between the two !!!
I wonder why ??
Don’t be so infantile …………..
By Jimbo I
July 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Corporal,
You are correct. The Aussies did really well and it’s a shame they get so little recognition. (Aussies fight super hard anywhere they go, they’re like Gurkhas that way).
The guts of the french shouldn’t be discounted either, they were totally let down by their officers, not the other way around.
You can tell how someone swings on Vietnam by whether they consider Tet a victory or a defeat. It was a public relation defeat but in every other capacity it was a clear cut victory for US forces. The NVA had their butts handed to them after the initial assault and the VC were pretty much depleted. Still, news coverage and popular support for the war is apparently what wins wars.. who would’ve thought after all those years Clausewitz would be proven correct about the support of the populace for a war? (really anyone. We should’ve obeyed his doctrine by denying them the ability to fight, but that’s my opinion.. no use crying over spilled blood I guess. I think if we’d won we’d the war we’d still have troops hunting down communist insurgents in the occupied north or something like that. In the end it worked better to just leave and let them deal with it internally.. I don’t feel Iraq is that same at all though. There is an international cause for people ticked off their to join if we abandon them.. )
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
Abomi, you spend just a little too much time focusing on sausages.
By NewsFlash
July 24, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
This just in,
John Edwards was seen in the crowd at the Sausage Haus taunting McCain, as he tried to form a cognizant thought, by flicking his hair back out of his face. At the same time, Cindy was seen backing away slowly from McCain in order to avoid potential repercussions should McCain suddenly experience unpleasant flashbacks from a prior run for office.
By RealityKing
July 24, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Yes Jay, 70% of Europeans do want Obama elected as the American president. But 90% of Europeans would also never vote for a black man as their own president. What does that say about those European Obama supporters??
No, you say? Then please, point out all those black European politicans for me..
By "The Corporal"
July 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
To Jimbo I:
Not only were the V.C. practically eliminated but the North Vietnamese planned it that way.
If you want a good read how about “Firebase Ripcord” by Keith Nolan. The short version is that it was the last major battle by our troops in V.N. (101st AB). A battalion was sent out in the middle of nowhere to hold a forsake hill with a 105 battery on top. After a few days, our troops at the squad and platoon level were being overrun in the jungles around the base. When they called for artillery support from other bases (the ones on the hill were too close) they were told “you have already used your allocations for the month”! And those allocations were made by a democratic run U.S. CONGRESS who later abandoned our committment !!!!! Good American boys died because of that and no one has ever been held to account. Oh, perfidious nation!
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Hey Reality King
What’s your source on that 90% number?
Encylopedia Rectumia?
By Midori
July 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
you wingnuts can twist and turn and interpret as you wish.
thankfully you, like Chimpolini, can’t rewrite history.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
McCain: Iraq was the ‘first major conflict since 9/11′…..CBS again “scrubbed” this gaffe from its television interview.
Now that’s media coverage…..
as in coverage of McCains butt!
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
McCain: Iraq was the ‘first major conflict since 9/11′…..CBS again “scrubbed” this gaffe from its television interview.
Now that’s media coverage…..
as in coverage of McCains butt!
By GodHatesTrash
July 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
GOPers can’t understand what the world likes about Obama.
Filthy rednekkk Georgia scum don’t even have passports.
Trash loves trash, and votes for trash. Georgia voters are trash, and will vote for the trash man, McCain.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
what a day!!!
let’s recap, shall we?
Dr. Depends
vs The people’s choice
now, who would you rather have a beer with?
I’d say Dr. Depends, so I can laugh at him dozing off.
By Midori
July 24, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Just curious, BS and RW — did you guys also examine the font size and leading in the documents I linked?
Were they typed on pre-WW2 typewriters or not?
Picas!!! the pikers need picas!!!
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
George watched NBC news last night where they aired, no doubt at great personal cost to the people at NBC who made the decision to air, the footage from the 100 video camera’s supplied to palistinians by a human rights group in israel… We saw Israeli troops shooting a palistinian prisoner in the foot for absolutely no reason (the man had been peacefully demonstrating), a single israelin setter claiming a Palistinian farmer’s water hole of a thousand years, being backed up by armed Israeli troops who drove the palistinian and his flock of sheep off, and the vicious beating of innocent palistinians by three hooded settelers, who have now been charged by israel with assult ( but reportedly have been laughingly released). The interviews with palistinians convinced me that palisteinian women are far hotter than israeli women, making Natalie Portman look like a real dog in comparision…and I had though Natalie was very hot indeed..
By Abomi Nation
July 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Lol!!!! The ajc.com home page is sure downplaying the Obama Germany speech. They know they will be absolutely flooded with angry “liberal media” emails if they don’t.
In order to be “fair” they have the following, which link to pictures from the two campaigns, on the main page:
* Campaign photos: Women for McCain | Obama in Berlin*
Its hysterical! Whats even better is the contrast in photos. A truly must see from the “liberal media,” check it out before it goes away. Be sure to look at photo #5 in the McCain batch! Priceless. Oh and the Obama photo of “the concert goers” snapping pictures of Obama.
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Midori,
I haven’t been to one of your links since that virus you tried to spread two years ago.
By Blind Homer
July 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
So McCain gets five pictures of mostly bored, tired, old women (they acutally found one black woman who managed to look old, tired, and bored all at the same time) and Barack gets 14 of huge, wildy enmthusiastic crowds. What else do you need to know? I need to know where I can get one of those ‘Barack is my homeboy’ T-shirts!
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
Christ appears in Berlin, uses lots of “wall” metaphors; Update: “Goonies” video added
As prepared for delivery in the capital city of an enemy that couldn’t be negotiated with, behold the text of what I’m calling the greatest speech since whatever the last Obama speech was that the media declared was the greatest speech ever. As Hitchens once said about the since partly retracted Great Peroration on Race, for a supposed rhetorical genius, Barry never actually delivers any memorable lines, does he? It’s the circumstances of his speeches that make them “memorable.” The best he can do by way of takeaways is Zen pap like “Yes, we can” or “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” or today’s latest mindless positive affirmation, “This is our moment, this is our time.” Here’s my own favorite line, seemingly plucked from one of Jerry Springer’s concluding Thought for the Day segments:
And be sure not to miss the Goonies video. Now we have a clue what this is our time, this is our moment means.
By Bud Wiser
July 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Mindless morons of the left, jukin’ and jivin’ down the street for their boy. Again I remind you of the smashing defeats by your previous liberal champions McGovern, Carter, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry.
You had no rejoinder when I first said it. You have nothing now. Go ahead and hurl the feverish childlike insults your peabrains will muster. I can feel the hate swelling within you. It truly is all you have…hate for America, hate for people that don’t think like you, or follow your puppet masters.
You just can’t believe that it is going to happen again!
But it will. I pity your ignorance.
And I shall laugh long and hard again at your mindless stupidity.
hahahahaha
By Midori
July 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
to be fair to Chimpolini, he brought out some huge crowds himself during his “European adventure”
yeah, RW. anything you cough, cough say.
Well, there’s this GORGEOUS dress on Ebay I’m bidding on — gotta go. Got to have that dress!!!!!
Oh, and RW - while I’m on Ebay I’ll try to find a seller where you can pick up some credibility.
By JW
July 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
As Ronald Reagan would say, “here we go again”
socialistic proclivities? Can you bloggers find something original to say and stop parroting Rush and Fox News? Being from FL, I would guess that the blogger who wrote it is on SSN, gets madicare, wants the government to save them from their stock failures, loves Cubans, and hates just about everyone else who doesn’t look like them.
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
ah sure hope that when mr. obama is president, he declares open season on you right wing scum, cause I got a hatchet, and ah sure want ta use it…Rush, Hannity, dirty ball, and all the rest of you better pray that open season is not declared….cause I have no human mercy or compassion….and I never stop…and mah hatchet is hungery….fer blood….yours….cause george is gonna prey too….
By george hussein washington
July 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
Only the dumbest americans got their ugly buts stuck in vietnam…vastly impoved the gene pool fer a while….but the repuke inbreeding came back and now amerikans are really fat and dumb….
By RW-(the original)
July 24, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
Midori,
When are we taxpayers going to get some work out of you?
Never mind, we’re probably safer just paying to keep you off the street.
By Obambi
July 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
Encore
Encore
Encore
Uh, I haven’t spoken yet.
Oh, I’m sorry, it was for the Led Zeppelin Reunion tour that just finished playing, uh, wasn’t that great?
Greetings fellow, uh, German dimwits.
I am thee Lord High Dimwit, thee Chosen Savior and Puppet of thee pinko drive by media, at least until I lose thee election in November, then they will hate and despise me for that will mean Bushie will be president again, in a different body.
The things they can do with inhilators these days.
I am here to welcome you into thee world of government dependency and moronic laziness, we are one with you, you people who’s as-s we kicked in twice, losers all. You are thee perfect fit for the dimwitocrat party, we just adore skinheads and Jew haters, come, let us join together as one stupid mass of ignorance, we will become the world’s leaders of vile racism and mindless hate.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, thank for removing that moron from in front of thee teleprompter.
So let us go forward from here together, let us spread our stupidity to every corner of thee land, you heathens can join with my mouthbreathers and thee ignorance will be unstoppa, uh, hey, why is everybody leaving, what did I say wrong?
What do you mean they don’t speak English? Well, aren’t they just a bunch of dumb people.
Seig Heil!