Jay Bookman

By Mike

July 22, 2008 6:08 AM | Link to this

LOL. The fact that there was no change in policy was evident days ago. Of course, that didn’t stop Bookman and the rest of the liberal blogosphere from crowing about how Bush has capitulated to “common sense.”

Looks like Bookman was wrong in his analysis of a few days ago. Kind of like Bookman was proven wrong regarding the surge that he wrongly referred to as “a futile gesture, a vain attempt to salvage what is already lost.”

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 6:34 AM | Link to this

@Mike: at least some people are willing to change their opinions when the facts change. Others will defend their wrong point of view regardless of inconvenient facts.

By Mike

July 22, 2008 6:50 AM | Link to this

ByteMe -

Are you talking about Bookman and his inabilty to admit that he was wrong about the surge?

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this

It all depends on what the meaning of is is:

Horizon: 3. the limit or range of perception, knowledge, or the like.

What kookman implies, along with his acid trip definition of horizon, is that Bushie just wants to stay in Iraq forever, like some Obama type Lord and Ruler.

I’m pretty sure he justs wants to make sure that we win the war, uh, duh.

Tough for a surrender monkey to understand, ain’t it?

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 6:58 AM | Link to this

@Mike: wrong about the surge. Let’s see: we have more troops in Iraq now, over a year later, than before the surge. If all those troops left today, no one sane thinks the place would be stable. So where was Bookman wrong exactly? Do remember to provide a specific quote or two from something he’s written as well as proof that the opposite has actually happened.

Off to get the kids ready for the day….

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 7:17 AM | Link to this

When do we stop talking about things like the “surge” and “victory in Iraq”?

The United States of America invaded Iraq claiming that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD’s. THERE WEREN”T ANY WMD’S!!

Egg on whose face? Now this administration and the media think that if no one talks about it, then it didn’t happen. Now we are occupiers in a country where the majority of the citizens want us OUT!

Victory? When Hitler invaded Russia, he created a NEW war front…one that had not existed before. And you know how that came out. When Bush invaded Iraq, he too created a new front. He went looking for a fight, and he got one. Of course he’s not the one doing the fighting. He ran away from the fight back in the late 1960’s.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Thee Treason Times leaves little doubt which presidential campaign they work for:

The Iraqi government on Monday left little doubt that it favors a withdrawal plan for U.S. combat troops similar to what Sen. Barack Obama has proposed, providing Obama with a potentially powerful political boost on a day he spent in Iraq working to fortify his credibility as a potential wartime leader.-New York Slimes

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But the most important shift in the dynamic of the race is that Obama has become, for all intents and purposes, the incumbent. Partly, this is the fault of the media, which, with a few exceptions, have crafted an aura of invincibility about Obama. But the candidate has done his part to appear as though his ascension need only be ratified in November.-AJC/DNC

There is nothing more that the libs want worse than this, want it even more than a Bush hanging, is to just skip the voting in November.

Look at any poll and then wonder to yourself, what does the pinko press and all those adoring foreigners see in Lord High Dimwit that you don’t?

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Hamdan met bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1996 and began working on his farm before winning a promotion as his driver. Defense lawyers say he only kept the job for the $200-a-month salary.-Urinal/PMS

Hey, maybe Karl Rove “just needed a job”

By Mike

July 22, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

ByteMe -

If you don’t think that the dramatic decrease in deaths among our troops and Iraqi citizens, the beginning of consensus on the withdrawal of our troops and the return of Sunnis to the democratically elected government is not a success, then we have different metrics of what constitutes success.

As for Bookman’s quotes, I gave one above. Apparently he shares your view that decreases in violence; plans for troop withdrawals and political reconciliation are not signs of success.

Off to work. Thanks for the conversation.

N-GA -

Thanks for shouting at us in caps. Thanks goodness you highlighted your profound statements about Iraq WMDs. If you hadn’t have been screaming at us, we might have missed it.

By Bud Wiser

July 22, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this

Definitions of ‘horizon’ (for Jay)

ho·ri·zon (h-rzn)

[Middle English orizon, from Old French, from Latin, from Greek horizn (kuklos), limiting (circle), horizon, present participle of horizein, to limit, from horos, boundary.]

So where did I miss the definition of horizon as: “Because here’s the thing about the horizon: You can never ever get there.

You can travel all day long, at any speed you want, trying to reach the horizon, and at the end of the day you will be no closer to reaching it than you were when you started out.

The horizon is out there, seemingly just out of reach, yet never to be attained.”

Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, in an article today, also said “… I’d note that a horizon is, by definition, a line that can never be reached.”

You guys have your own left wing dictionary, or is this the new edukation coming from the Dimmokrauts once they get in power?

Oh wait, they are already in power, in the House and the Senate, and America is still waiting (two years now) for them to do something about anything, other than being completely and totally devoted to obstructionism.

By Dennis

July 22, 2008 7:35 AM | Link to this

A really tough test for Iraq is coming up at their next election. Can Iraq’s current administration run a fair election? If a person in power loses the election, can he, will he, allow a peaceful exchange of power? These are the ultimate test of a Democratic Republic.

The US passed this test when George Washinton passed the presidency. It would be wise for the Iraqi government, and wise for the US and its Allies, to still have Allied military forces in place when this test occurs in Iraq.

By Bud Wiser

July 22, 2008 7:38 AM | Link to this

The great thing about the internet, Mike, is that when trying to carry on a discussion with a liberal, when they start screaming like that, at least the spray from their foaming mouths doesn’t get all over your nice clothes.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Is that all you can say? Yes, they are profound statements. And they need to be expressed loudly.

Just think about those US casualties you mentioned in your post. They died for what? Protecting our freedom? No…that would mean we were threatened by Iraq, and that has proven not to be the case. So now we send troops over there 2,3 even 4 times. That increases the odds of them being injured or killed. Now why are they there? To clean up the mess that George Bush got them into? What’s the matter, Mike? Does the truth hurt you that much?

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this

Do you think Senator Obama wishes to acknowledge that the liberal philosophy he and his liberal (and frequently very rich) friends champion has gotten us to this exact point in American energy history? Of course not. If the American people figure out the connection between the price of gas and liberalism, they won’t put a liberal in the White House. Which is why Obama, as with Dukakis, has to hide his liberalism. Connecting the dots between what we see in our everyday lives and illustrating the folly of whatever liberal idea got us here is what the rest of us have to do.

By Copyleft

July 22, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this

America is still waiting (two years now) for them to do something about anything, other than being completely and totally devoted to obstructionism.

Uhh, Bud? America PUT the Democrats in power because we wanted them to enact their stated agenda. The White House and the Republican minority are the ones guilty of “obstructionism.”

But not to worry; we’ll fix that this fall with a Democratic president and a veto- and filibuster-proof majority in Congress.

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Guys, you’ve gone to “the Surge is working!” well a few times too many. People ain’t buying it any more.

Jay, I heard AAR’s Rachel Maddow give the best explanation for the “time horizon” meme—simply put, the A-list wordsmiths and spin doctors have flown the coop, and the White House is stuck with the dregs doing the Hard Work of feeding President Bush his lines.

Don’t know how valid that explanation is, but it works for me.

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

Butt Geyser, it’s a good thing you dont talk out of your behind, too.

That reminds me of a para-…..

Bush’s War is a total failure. the surge worked, but what does that mean? What is the mission of US troops in Iraq, post surge?

The surge works where there’s a surge. Get it? Where there’s no surge, it didn’t work. Surge means counter-insurgency operations by the book. IT’s a technique that’s as old as warfare. The house to house street to street search and destroy. You need extra troops to hold what you’ve won, thus a surge.

But now what? How to unsurge. WE cant. You need extra troops to hold what you’ve won.

Remember, the enmities in Iraq are 14 hundred years old. A one year surge isn’t going to stop those hatreds or the endless war they caused

I was the first blogger here to realize and preach that we are stuck in iraq forever. We cant ever leave. We can only send home a photo op # of troops. You all were like, huh?

We are stuck in the sand, my fine friends.

By Joey

July 22, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this

The horizon is out there and yes it moves as we move. It is flexible.

While a fixed position whether it is a building, or a plan, or and ideology is inflexible. Therefore, it cannot deal with changes. It cannot respond to actions by others.

Some presidential candidates and their supporters claim to like the fixed plan. Me, not so much.

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

One other thing.

I’m afraid my mind headed straight to the gutter when I saw the word “Horizontal” in close proximity to White House Spokesmodel Dana Perino.

Am I a pig?

signed, Upset With Myself

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Mr. Bookman,

Indeed, the use of the word “horizon” is surely nothing more than yet another feeble attempt by the Bush administration to play with word definitions versus their perceptions.

By GOPs got to go

July 22, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

Here’s the thing about the Bush administration, they still believe the world is flat. Thus the horizon is attainable. After all, they would have us teach Intelligent Design in our schools. Bush’s government has systematically distorted and undermined scientific information in pursuit of political objectives. Thankfully, the rest of the world has been able to continue advances in stem cell research. Hopefully which ever party wins in the fall, at least we will not have to try to work against our own government.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this

GOPs got to go (8:03),

Well said!

By GOPs got to go

July 22, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Let us not forget that we are still paying a daily rate to Suni and Shia not to fight.

By Bud Wiser

July 22, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

“By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

One other thing.

I’m afraid my mind headed straight to the gutter when I saw the word “Horizontal” in close proximity to White House Spokesmodel Dana Perino.

Am I a pig?

signed, Upset With Myself”

Amen, brother. I think I’ll go have my cold shower before going to the golf course, but not before my morning Obama.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

McCain’s message seems to be, “I was wrong in 2002 and 2003. And still wrong in 2004, 2005, and 2006. But I supported the surge and said it would reduce violence and lead to political reconciliation, and only some of that turned out to be wrong. So vote for me because of my accurate track record.”

Just how foolish would one have to be find this even remotely persuasive? Or put another way, just how stupid does McCain think we are?

more here

AND

How does a plan that was supposed to take six months be considered a “success” in its 18th month?

more here

CAUTION - strong language

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Al Gore gave a speech last week “challenging” America to run “on 100% zero-carbon electricity in 10 years” — though that’s just the first step on his road to “ending our reliance on carbon-based fuels.” Serious people understand this is absurd. Maybe other people will start drawing the same conclusion about the man proposing it.

The former vice president has also recently disavowed any intention of returning to politics. This is wise. As America’s leading peddler of both doom and salvation, Mr. Gore has moved beyond the constraints and obligations of reality.

Not satisfied with the destruction they have wrought upon gasoline prices, thee dimwitocrats are turning their wormy attentions to electricity production.

I pray for you America.

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

A little perspective from Juan Cole, and then I gotta run and put food on my family:

(Despite all the talk about Iraq being “calm,” I’d like to point out that the month just before the last visit Barack Obama made to Iraq (he went in January, 2006), there were 537 civilian and ISF Iraqi casualties. In June of this year, 2008, there were 554 according to AP. These are official statistics gathered passively that probably only capture about 10 percent of the true toll.

That is, the Iraqi death toll is actually still worse now than the last time Obama was in Iraq! (See the bombings and shootings listed below for Sunday). The hype around last year’s troop escalation obscures a simple fact: that Obama formed his views about the need for the US to leave Iraq at a time when its security situation was very similar to what it is now! Why a return to the bad situation in late 05 and early 06 should be greeted by the GOP as the veritable coming of the Messiah is beyond me. You have people like Joe Lieberman saying silly things like if it weren’t for the troop escalation, Obama wouldn’t be able to visit Iraq. Uh, he visited it before the troop escalation, just fine.*

That’s just a taste; you all really owe it to yourselves to read the whole thing.

By GOPs got to go

July 22, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly and Budd, don’t make me slap you to get your eyes off of Dana’s boobs!

That is the point of Dana, to distract.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

But I’ve also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground - not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Sen. Obama.

I’m dismayed that he never talks about winning the war - only of ending it. But if we don’t win the war, our enemies will - and a triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us.-Sen. John McCain

One person cares about America, the other about power, take a wild guess which one is which.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Mr. Bookman,

Yesterday you discussed “implications.” Today, it seems, your implication in comparing an horizon (you can never get there) with “the Bush approach for getting out of Iraq.”

Try Googling “when Pres Bush says we will leave Iraq.” It’s tough to get an answer not expressed in conceptual terms. But he has made some consistent points (and added a whole bunch of others, over time) expressed in this speech from three years ago:

“But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. “

But the operative word was “leave.” Not draw down, not reduce, but leave.

What I hear are many on the Left propounding the concept Pres Bush/Republicans want to stay in Iraq forever. I think this is misleading - as misleading as saying Sen Obama wants to “get out within months” when he’s made it clear he plans forces in-country and many, many forces in the region, ready to reengage in Iraq, for as far out as anyone can think.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

CHICKAMAUGA, Ga. —- Seventeen-year-old Matt Glenfield has found a way to beat high gas prices. The Chickamauga teen built an electric car using batteries from a golf cart.

more here

And

Andrew Angelloti, a 16 year old, converted his very own 1988 Mazda pickup to run on electricity last year, using $6,000 he had saved up from his part time job as a life guard. He built his truck using 20 flooded lead acid batteries to create 120 volts, which he couples to a 60 HP 9” electric motor. It is capable of reaching a top speed of 55mph (89 km/h) and can get up to 40 miles (64 km) on a charge which is more than enough to get him to work and back.

more here

why does AJC/DNC Management hate American innovation?

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By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Thomas Sowell, for doing my research for me:

The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law that requires banks and thrifts to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as “redlining.” The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to underserved populations and commercial loans to small businesses.

The CRA was passed into law by the U.S. Congress in 1977 as a result of national grassroots pressure for affordable housing, and despite considerable opposition from the mainstream banking community. Only one banker, Ron Grzywinski from ShoreBank in Chicago, testified in favor of the act.

I knew it was out there.

Good intentions, destructive results.

As usual.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 8:18

The adult daughter of a couple announces she wants to start a business. The mom supports, the dad opposes, but it’s the kid’s decision.

The kid strikes out and things go horribly wrong. The kid asks for help.

Mom says “Yikes, I told you this was a good idea but it’s mucked up. Maybe if you tried ‘this’ you can turn it around.”

Dad says “I told you so, I told you so. Your mom was wrong, as usual. I was right. Anything else your mom says will be wrong, too, I was right I was right.”

Kid takes mom’s advice, business improves and kid starts making a go of it. Mom says “time to adjust your business strategy, again, to the new realities.”

Dad says “I told you never to go into business for yourself. I was right five years ago, I was right five years ago, I was right….

But on a national level this passes for serious analysis?

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Mr. Bookman, Have you ever heard of the material called unobtainium? Well, I have a time horizon for the development of that material. Then again, as long as someone is willing to pick up the tab, it’s all in a day’s work.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Dumbya’s only plan with regard to Iraq was 1) invade. 2) wave at the people, and savor our greeting as liberators 3) put on a Navy flight suit and stuff a banana in the codpiece and declare “Mission Accomplished” 4) milk the hell out of “our” new Iraqi oilfields.

When that “plan” fell apart, a couple of months after his Chimperor performance for the Navy, his plan was toast, and he hasn’t had the merest whiff of a plan or a strategery since then.

By Eric1

July 22, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Bush administration thinks????? Yeah, right.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

“We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It’s their government’s choice,’’ the president said during a Rose Garden news conference. “If they were to say leave, we would leave.”

and

*John McCain has always been clear that American forces operate in Iraq only with the consent of that country’s democratically elected government,” Michael Goldfarb, a McCain spokesman, told the Huffington Post. *

and

Iraqi Parliamentarian: 70 Percent Of Iraqis Want Withdrawal, Huge U.S. Embassy Not A ‘Positive Signal’…..AL-JABERI: Of course not. The majority of the people of Iraq are with the withdrawal. … Perhaps even about 70 percent.

and

Most Iraqis Want U.S. Troops Out Within a Year September 27, 2006 Say U.S. Presence Provoking More Conflict Than it is Preventing

and

When asked in and interview with SPIEGEL when he thinks US troops should leave Iraq, Maliki responded “as soon as possible, as far as we are concerned.” He then continued: “US presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.

By ray

July 22, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

McCain/Satan ‘08

Bomb Iran! Finish the Drill!

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Ridiculous analogy. Starting a war and killing civilians is not analogous to starting a business.

Except maybe in Red State Moron Land.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:28

It’s not like we’ve seen a tidawave of serious analysis on a national level in the last 7 or eight years, have we compadre! :0)

By lovelyliz

July 22, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

It’s all semantics and rhetoric

By Paul

July 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 9:00

So true! Just so there’s no misunderstanding, here’s a brief recap of the points I used to make over at ML’s:

I was critical of McCain’s early calls for more troops as I didn’t see a change in how to use them. It struck me as the same as thinking, ‘if I’m losing at Blackjack, I’ll keep the same strategy but just place higher bets.’ So saying he was critical of Pres Bush’s conduct is only part of what was needed - and I didn’t see the rest.

Obama had more than hindsight with Iraq - he had foresight. Much of his intervening statements and actions (such as his proposed legislation to have our troops out by March of this year) were, I think playing to the Party power brokers to secure the nomination. The legislation had no chance of passing, so it was a no-risk strategy. But now his avoidance of nearly any credit to current conditions being the result of the surge (again, I think, to appease the power brokers) is about as troubling as Pres Bush’s past reluctance to admit to mistakes. Far better if he said, “yes, the surge has clearly reduced the level of violence and introduced a measure of stability.’ He can always add “If I’d been in charge, the idea of a surge would never have been necessary as we’d not have been there in the first place.’

And I also think neither candidate has done nearly enough to link our current energy policy with the Middle East - with the end result being complete disengagement. Keeping troops in the region to reengage Iraq, counter Iran, have a presence to encourage stability, etc etc etc - the reasons would be what if we needed nothing they had?

So where I am now is, no candidate is going to get it right, every time. I have to balance the implications of what would be if the policies they ‘really’ advocated had come to pass. And, I look at what things would look like under my ideal conditions and ask “which candidate has the best chance of getting us there?”

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Since the topic seems to be the meaning of oddly worded phrases by politicians would somebody take a stab at these two?

We are the change we seek

and

We are the ones we’ve been waiting for

Sounds to me like it’s not just the media that treats this dunce like a Messiah, he really believes he is.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Recycled Pogo strips?

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Hey Corporal:

You wrote: “Some pundits are now saying if Obama is not elected there will be riots in the streets in some of our major cities.”

Cite ONE.

One other than a fellow right-wing fantasist, that is. We can wait while you’re googling.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

RW,

Your emphasis for the past couple of weeks has been to constantly refer to Obama as a dunce, Obambi, not very smart, etc. You mention repeatedly some quote about him referring to 57 states. So I’m curious. Do you really believe Obama thinks there are more than 50 states in the USA? Here, I’ll help you…NO! You don’t really think that.

Next question…Do you think Obama is dumb? If you do think that, then it is YOU who are dumb.

Now if we compare the education credentials of the 2 major candidates, which one seems to have had more success with their educational endeavors?

Do you really want to keep talking about this? Okay, then which candidate has trouble locating the border between Iraq and Pakistan? How about which candidate can find Czechoslovakia on a new map of Eastern Europe?

What I’m trying to say is that even you don’t believe the stuff you post, and the spin is getting monotonous.

By Charles

July 22, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

The future “horizon” in this country (if Obama is elected by the misinformed, delusional “Rock The Vote” generation) will be a mushroom cloud over a major U.S. city. To allow the Socialist agenda of the Left-wing Democrap Party and their associates in the mainstream press to indoctrinate them into voting for their puppet candidate will be a very sad day in this country. I bet Lenin and Stalin are laughing their butts off in Hell.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

Well, good morning and what’s new here? Not much. Don’t think I read anything new. But it is good to see that conservative reasoning is being applied to liberal hysteria in some cases.

And thanks to Mrs. Godzie for making her IN THE NEWS printed in black. That makes it easier to skip over. Read it I should but I don’t have time enough to read all the collected trash.

As to horizons, they seem to be where you want them to be. I prefer the one with light, not the black pit of liberal doom. The ‘horizon’ of liberals seems to be #1 Bush Bashing #2 Iraq war bashing #3 Celebration of war casualties #4 Feigned ignorance of Demo led Congress #5 Feigned ignorance of Obama’s total lack of leadership expertise and his Napoleanic Obsession for power. These are the doom laden horizons of liberals.

Thank goodness Bush and McCain are not blind to the real horizons of light. That is where they lead us. The choice of whom to follow is ours.(Of course!!)

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Why can’t some pundits say include right wing ones? That being said, I haven’t heard any either.

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Paul,

It’s easy to fall back to the original Obama position where he claims to have been against the Iraq war resolution since he wasn’t in Congress and never had to vote. Look at all the ones who say they were opposed but voted yes.

In any case when one use alternative reality to justify ones position it’s helpful to take a look at what Iraq would be like today had we done nothing. It’s inconceivable to me that they would still be operating under sanctions with us patrolling no fly zones. We know that Saddam had the capability of making and delivering chemical and biological weapons. A simplistic view is that he couldn’t hop in a plane and attack us, but it would be very simple to pass cannisters of weaponized bio/chem agents on to surrogates.

It’s hard to imagine that Hussein would have become the peaceful Middle East distribution center of cowpeas from Niger.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

McCain Mania Explained

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

@RW: *We know that Saddam had the capability of making and delivering chemical and biological weapons. * Uh, we do? All evidence is to the contrary. Do you have any citations from the UN team that was on the ground right up until the war looking for the stuff and only finding old stuff we sold them before the first gulf war? Did they have any manufacturing factilites that were operational? I haven’t heard about it, but maybe I missed something in all the false reports that were being thrown out there to justify the war before and after the fact.

I’ll accept the “delivering” part since SCUDs and suicidal idiots were clearly in evidence.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Getting way too riled up. Time for a little comic relief. This letter to the editor was printed this morning in a paper I subscribe to:

“Barak Obama calls the Iraq War a ‘war of choice.’ We chose not to wait for the terrorists to attack. We chose not to surrender to the Islamofascists. We chose to go on the offensive. I’m glad we chose this war. I don’t want to be forced to wear a burka.”

I know I’ve written about respecting others’ heartfelt opinions, but man oh man…

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Hey, Jay, how about Chicago?? That is where Obama did his serious years of “community service” which, in his case, was probably trying to get elected to some office. ?????? Chicago could probably get a little “riot” going for news photographers.

N-GA, maybe YOU could not figure out a difficult concept but try this. If two small countries were snuggled together on a map and one was named Czech and the other was Slovakia, would you ever guess that they might have been Czechoslavkia at one time which they were for many years on old maps? Noooo that would be too tough for you.

If that is the best McCain bashing that you can do, better stop. Your intent is too obvious.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

RW POSTS “it’s helpful to take a look at what Iraq would be like today had we done nothing.”

It’s even more helpful to wonder what the lives of the spouses, parents and children of our fallen servicemen and women would be like if we had done nothing.

not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s….

if we had done nothing about a nation that did not attack us, how much could we have done in the real war on terror??

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’m sure even you can master the art of scrolling past my posts.

Have you ever heard Obambi speak without a teleprompter? He’s doing it right now, but they’ve made sure we can’t hear the questions so there’s no telling if the absurd answers he’s giving even have anything to do with what’s been asked.

As for Czechoslovakia, Sam Nunn made the same gaffe the other day. What are you saying about Senator Nunn?

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

The point I was making was over your head, hovering just above the point on top of your head.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Paul..10:21..man oh man!! Burkas are worn by women!! Oh well… good letter…

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

In The Newzilla,

So you go with the theory that Saddam’s Iraq would today be the peaceful cowpea distributer?

I’m not the least bit surprised.

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Corporal, you out there?

By Midori

July 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

I’ve been hearing this “Obama speaks only with a teleprompter” meme a lot over the past couple days.

At least the man can “speak”. period.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

ByteMe,

You can’t possibly be serious. Warning to anyone about this link. I haven’t gone through the whole site, but I’m sure there will be uncomfortable photos.

Whether they had weapons handy in 2003 they clearly had the ability and expertise once they were no longer operating under sanctions and supervision.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

What I’m saying is that you continuously question Obama’s intelligence by pointing out slip-ups, etc. I haven’t read similar posts from you about McCain.

What I’m saying is he graduated at the top of his class…McCain at the bottom of his.

What I’m saying is even you don’t believe what you post. So why do you continue to post it?

I think it is because you really support McCain, in spite of your denials. C’mon now, admit it.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Don’t look now, but Obumbler just threw his 16 month timetable under the bus and has now embraced the Bush plan of leaving based on conditions on the ground.

By Abomi Nation

July 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Let me help my good friend “The Corporal”.

I did use Google for proof that the pundits are indeed predicting a riot if Obama were to lose the election. I didn’t have to go further than the first page of my search results to gather all the evidence.

From stormfront.org a white supremist website and message board.

AlabasterKhat replies to Whitebred with this gem,

Blacks riot at the drop of a hat. If Obama doesn’t get the nomination the blacks will riot, if Obama gets the nomination but loses the election the blacks will riot, and Sharpton and Jackson will be right there screaming racism egging it on. All you have to do is sit back and wait and you’ll see.

You see Jay there are a lot of pundits predicting a riot. The Corporal is right, that one thread alone is 5 pages long.

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m certainly looking forward to the fact that president non-elect Cheney and his puppet, Bush, will soon be history. As for McCain, hopefully his chance for the Presidency remains on the horizon. Watch him run after it yet never able to reach it. Darn those horizons.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Now introducing the bottom of the presidential candidate barrel, Senator John McCain. ZZZZZZZZ

By Copyleft

July 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

RW: It is, however, VERY easy to believe that Saddam would still be contained and pose no threat to us… especially since that policy was working very well, and he proved not to be a threat to us.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

It seems many of our Congressmen and Senators were raised watching Fonzie of Happy Days getting hung up while trying to say “I was wrong.”

I’m not sure we wouldn’t have still been operating the no-fly zone and had Iraq under sanctions. The American people and politicians have a remarkable capability for keeping American troops in any location for any length of time at any cost so long as no one’s getting hurt.

I’ve also written how Saddam’s past history, his campaign of propaganda regarding his capabilities and intent, came back and bit him when we had a group in government who gave more weight to his words. Especially when 9-11 occurred. It wasn’t so much “was he involved?” as it was “we now realize we have an enemy who can hurt us in our homeland. We’ve got this other guy who’d love to do the same and he’s said he’s got the materials to do it. What happens if these two get together? ” So the “passing off to surrogates” was a real concern. Did it justify invasion?

But still, before going further, it’d be good to read what Sen Obama actually said in his speech of Oct 2, 2002.

Link: [Obama’s Iraq Speech(http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/BarackObama’sIraq_Speech)

True, he wasn’t a Senator then. But his reasoning was compelling. It was given a full seven months before the invasion.

And, it does contain some ideas that probably don’t sit too well with those who want to believe he won’t get us involved in military action elsewhere.

I’ve also mentioned the Administration’s desire to have a functioning democracy serving as a model (other than Israel) in the Middle East as one of the underlying reasons some in the first administration pushed invasion and regime change. That theme came up in the speeches I read by Pres Bush when I was researching the “horizon” question posed by Mr. Bookman.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

N-GA, 10:27

Your “point” was perfectly clear. You were doing your usual McCain bashing and it was ineffective. But… that is nothing new for your efforts.

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

I stand humbly corrected.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

RW/ANdi/AJC/DNC/McMultiname

Of course not you goose!

So you follow the theory that we can do whatever we want, wherever we want, whenever we want at anytime and then justify the death and destruction we caused because maybe, just maybe, it was less death and destruction than might have occurred had we not caused the death and destruction!

RW have you seen these

here

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Does your mouse have a little wheel in the middle of it?

I will say there’s a tremendous difference in the way Obambi delivers prepared text from a teleprompter and the hemming and hawing gaffe filled way he speaks off the cuff. McCain sounds about the same either way.

The real test would have been the unscripted town halls that Obambi is scared to do with McCain, even though he continues to say he’ll debate him anytime, anyplace.

I won’t vote for McCain, but I suspect we’d be better off in the short term if he gets elected. I suspect that we would be better off in the long run if Obambi gets elected because we’ll finally be able to see what unfettered liberalism does to the country and by 2012 we’ll have that ideology buried for good.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Now introducing the bottom of the presidential candidate barrel, Senator John McCain. “Mphy Fwellowph Aphmerikans…”

“Excuse me Senator, you forgot your dentures!”

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

I usually don’t do this, but since it’s you…

When I mentioned McCain’s verbal fumbles I was doing it to point out to RW that criticizing Obama by attacking his intelligence was one-sided, at best and disingenuous at worst. You will find no posts from me suggesting that he really doesn’t know that Czechoslovakia ceased to exist. I’m sure he could pass a geography test just fine. I have no desire to attack McCain by suggesting his is stupid.

But he has a track record of poor judgement!

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

@RW: “Whether they had weapons handy in 2003 they clearly had the ability and expertise once they were no longer operating under sanctions and supervision.”

Actually, pictures of what they used from the weapon stash the US government sold them 10+ years earlier does not equate to what you said earlier about that they have the ability to create them… but you knew that. That’s why I asked for evidence from the UN team that pretty much had unfettered access in 2002 and 2003. What did they find? Or are you not interested in discovering the real truth behind the rhetoric of fear?

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

AbomiNation,10:44

You go to a WHITE supremist websight to prove your point?

Where is the BLACK Supremist websight for information to make your point?

And what IS your point? To stir a little more hate into the election? That Dems will riot if they don’t get a winner? That we should pay attention to those who RIOT?? Is that what you are trying to say?

I’m just trying to figure out your HORIZON here.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Now introducing the bottom of the presidential candidate barrel, Senator John McCain. “It’s great to be in Kansas City this fine April morning!”

“Excuse me Senator, we’re in Phoenix and it July!”

By Too Late, Baby

July 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

I always knew the democrats would pay for their pandering to anti-war sentiments. I knew the truth about Iraq: We can never leave.

Malaki knows, too, but to preserve his throne, he must posture tuff and demand the immediate withdrawal of all allies yesterday.

The reality will be a hybrid occupation force/permanent base, that will include visable patrols through baghdad. there will be the occasional fire fight, or IED and losses will still be grievous, but a victory can be declared, and Bush will emerge historically as a great commander in chief.

Obama had to get the nomination first. He played cut and run like a very practiced surrender monkey, (racist comment #1). Hillary was such a jugernaut that all the rules had to be broken. (hillary sure is quiet. It’s hillary, folks, for Veep)

Anyway, Obama is a talent that could be elected just on his hip hop pop-appeal. (racist comment #2).

McCain seems too slow-witted. He’s already appearing to be more vigorous in his delivery, which means his coaches know they have to animate him more. That means he’s going to shout out something really stupid soon, and it will all be over but the voting. Imagine Howard Dean’s rant. Then stick McCain in it, but place the situation in a really serious no margin for error situation like his acceptance speech at the convention, where he’s going to try to appear electric.

Obama 08: America looks good with him on.

McCain 08: A reporter ruined him with one Q. That’s no commander in chief.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

I post under one name and one name only. It’s hysterical that you moonbat(ic)s® that accuse others of posting under multiple names always seem to have gotten yourself caught doing just that.

As always the AJC in general and Jay Bookman in particular has my standing permission to confirm or deny your delusions.

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Just don’t talk about McCain’s thinning hair. There’s just no telling what might set him off. Such a temper. Can you just imagine someone like the president of Iran meeting with McCain and the Iranian president brushing his hair back out of his face — taunting the temperamental McCain. Would he lose his cool and push the button right then or wait until he was outside the blast radius. Hopefully, those issues will also remain on that horizon. That elusive horizon.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

per Abomi’s post: I didn’t have to go further than the first page of my search results to gather all the evidence.

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 22, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

RW posts only under his name.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

ByteMe,

The UN couldn’t find their backsides if they were sitting on their hands. Maybe you should read up on how Iraq actually acquired their chemical agents instead of this ridiculous myth that Ronnie Raygun sold them all to them. The US was a minor supplier in precursor agents mainly for mustard gas. They got far more production knowledge and precursor agents from Singapore and the Netherlands among many others.

By Abomi Nation

July 22, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

My horizon Dusty is the Iraq- Pakistan border.

Its the situation on that very border I’m trying to prevent here. Though “The Corporal” and I disagree on just about everything, the only purpose of my post was to reach out to a friend in need. I was looking for a pundit to back up his riot threat and that was the only one I could find.

I love you Dusty. I love you with all my heart.

By Goldie

July 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

McBush believes that “winning in Iraq” is the same as “staying in Iraq” — now that Al-Maliki’s gov’t has stated they want our occupation to end, America will see what kind of non-leader McBush really is.

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

And I, too, give Jay Bookman, and the AJC permission to expose me as a multiple-alias, name-jacking ID-inventing fiend who never comments on topic and only lives to be a p-hole troll-wipe. (I mean a-hole troll-wipe).

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

ByteMe,

Allow me to slightly clarify my 11:23. The large quantities of precursor agents came mainly from Singapore and the Netherlands, along with a bunch from India and Egypt, but the production knowledge came mostly from Europe.

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

@RW: You say “The UN couldn’t find their backsides if they were sitting on their hands.” and yet you offer no evidence that the UN inspection team didn’t get it right. They actually did get it right, but you discount it as being… what?… luck?

Saddam didn’t have the capability to produce anything with the sanctions and no-fly zones and such. All available credible evidence supports that. But you want to keep spouting talking points. And I didn’t mention Reagan either, that’s your own mythology getting in the way.

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

@RW: Clarification accepted even without evidence. :) I’m happy to concede that point… but won’t yet concede the rest without evidence.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

If Obama is elected, many southern trailer parks will be burnt to the ground as rednecks riot in mass protest. The fires and murdering will kill hundreds, and do hundreds of dollars in property damage.

Oh, the humanity!

(Thanks Abomi, it’s good to know where the Corporal, Butt, Andi/duh, RW, @@, Dustbucket and Ray get their best material. MkkkKKKain uber alles!)

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 22, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

I can confirm Messiah is who he says he is….

Well, except for that Messiah part.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

Saddam didn’t have the capability to produce anything with the sanctions and no-fly zones and such.

Keep in mind this discussion thread started with an unknowable alternate reality that said that we had done nothing and there were no longer sanctions. Considering how corrupted the Oil for Food program had become and how strong the pressure was getting to lift sanctions I think that’s a more likely scenario than the one that says the status quo of sanctions and a no fly zone would be going on in it’s 17th or 18th year.

By @@

July 22, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

I don’t know about your opinion piece Jay. I’ve always liked DaVinci’s differing perspective of a horizon.

Simple perspective: That which is constructed by art on a vertical plane which is equally distant from the eye in every part. <—— That would be a liberal’s hopeless perspective.

Complex perspective: That which is constructed on a ground-plan in which none of the parts are equally distant from the eye. <—— That would a conservative’s perceptive on destiny. Anyhoo Jay….

that’s how I @@ it.

Now ‘scuse me. I’ve got somewhere I want to be, need to be, will be.

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Well.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

As if you needed further proof of how far in the bag thee drive by media is for Lord High Dimwit:

Georgia seat goal of Bush’s visit today- Bush is scheduled to arrive in metro Atlanta during the afternoon rush hour.-Urinal/PMS

Lord High Dimwit could land his plane on I75 during rush hour, thee Urinal will remain steadfastly silent amidst all thee adversity.

With Bushie, they rag up before he even touches the ground.

It’s almost like when some sicko vampire sees the cross or daylight, they whine and moan and hiss, Good has that effect on evil.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Woohoo N-GA

Your whole purpose here is to make McCain look “BAD”. Why do you lie about what is obvious?? But let us talk about the “experience” of Obama, not to mention his bad judgement concerning MANY former associates.

Obama has so little “experience” in anything important that it is easy to proclaim him a “brain”. But for the President of the USA we need more than the editor of the Harvard Review, a “community organizer”, mostly absentee STATE senator and a one term senator in the USA Congress. His military experience is ZERO. This is not the man to fill the most important office in the USA which includes the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

McCain’s experience is greater and far more valuable than anything Obama has to offer. Let us not make the mistake of mistaking infatuation for experience.

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

The time horizon — oops I mean timetable — on that UN resolution authorizing US troops in Iraq is running out. Then what will Bush do. Will he violate UN resolutions himself — just like Saddam. Is that how Bush wants to be remembered. Decisions, decisions. Can he hand it off to someone that will continue his legacy — a legacy of death and destruction.

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

@AJC/DNC: I keep thinking you mean BUSH when you referred to “Lord High Dimwit”. Of course, we aren’t allowed to talk about him being high any more. But Dimwit? Well, that’s pretty much accepted.

Ok, I gotta go get some real work done… later all! Avoid I-75 if you can.

By JJtheJetPlane

July 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Keeping the horizon out in front of you assures that you’re not about to crash into a mountain full of terroists..

By Copyleft

July 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty: So, I take it you voted for both Kerry and Gore, who were veterans, over AWOL national-guard ducker Bush?

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Bush wasnt’ elected. He was installed by the supreme court, and then by diebold chicanery.

We havent’ elected a president since Bill.

Hillary sure is quiet. It’s her. It’s gotta be. Otherwise she’d still be campaigning for it.

Who agrees. I have no inside info. This is just observing the noise and seeing an anomaly, which kind of makes me some sort of Uberpudwit, dont you think?

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

Abomi Nation,

I love you too. I just love McCain better.

Would you also send a valentine to God Hates Trashbucket? He is about as loveless as they come.

RW-(the Original)

I believe you are RW and you were always original.

Forgotten Messiah,

I believe you are PoFo and unforgetable although I keep trying.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

In fiscal year 2001, Blackwater had $736,906 in federal contracts. By 2006, Blackwater had over $593 million in governmental contracts, an increase of more than 80,000%.” — Congressional Oversight Committee. By 2008 Blackwater had over $1 billion in government contracts (an increase from 2001 of more than 135,000%).

Halliburton - 600% stock price increase since Iraq invasion

Exxon - 200+% stock increase since Iraq invasion

Who says Dumbya’s strategery ain’t working?

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Is there a new left wing talking point that says the political reconciliation began before the surge or is Kerry off the reservation again? I thought the party line was that it hadn’t happened despite the surge.

Now that is one guy that can help Obambi not look like such a dunce just by comparison.

Check all that above, he’s now flip flopped back to saying the reconciliation hadn’t happened. I kind of miss seeing Kerry get on all sides of the same issue without ever taking a breath.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

July 22, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

A couple of points.

Whether or not Sadaam had WMD at the time we were about to invade I don’t know. We do know that he had chemical weapons when he gassed his own people.

As to the original quote Jay gave us from Dana Perino, that has got to be one of the finest examples of mind numbing, tortured syntax that would make any politician left or right proud. I have to go to the Dentist tomorrow and if Mr. Bookman grants his permission I am going to have someone stand by me and read the passage over and over in lieu of novacaine.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Bush’s military experience was essentially zero (no active duty or training in war strategy - obviously). He had even less experince in public office.

As far as McCain’s experience, it’s really a matter of judgement. One could say he has 18 years of political office, but that would be learning “politics as usual”. You know…the “you scratch my bill and I’ll scratch your’s”. Or the smoke-filled room negotiating. Or even the “my lobbyist contributes more than your lobbyist” mentality.

I mean it was his judgement that got him into so much trouble with the Keating scandal. And it was his judgement that caused him to vote for going into Iraq.

It’s not whether I am certain that Obama is better, it’s that I can hope that he will succeed in changing the “politics as usual” mindset. With McCain, there is no hope for change, just the certainty that our country will suffer more of the same.

By MorningStar

July 22, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

By Dusty July 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Thank goodness Bush and McCain are not blind to the real horizons of light. That is where they lead us. The choice of whom to follow is ours.(Of course!!)

MorningStar doth arise a bit late in the day. It’s been a fun two (or 3) days. If I may share a tidbit from THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, July 14 issue, here goes: ((SURGE THE GLOBE-The Bush administration’s simplistic solution for deteriorating conditions in Iraq was the surge. But with the U.S. forces already stretched taut and overdeployed, an Afghan surge is out of the question. So what is Bush to do? Instead of looking for an exit from two wars already underway, he dreams of launching a third against Iran)).

Please note the above is from a conservative magazine. So what will Bush do? As some say here in the sunny south, “We’re fixin to find out.”

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Copyleft,12:05

Try telling the truth for a change.

Dems have worn out that National Guard fabrication, even to the point of false records. (REMEMBER THAT PLOY of the loony left?) Bush served as a pilot and you can’t change that.

I did not vote for purple hearted Fondaish Kerry and Gored UNscored Gore because I did not think they were ‘presidential material’.

Democrats don’t seem to realize that quality and nominate the unelectable. They gave us Clinton and one of the bigger ethical black spots in WhiteHouse history.

As usual, Dems offer the candidate without experience or commendability. East your heart out, lib.. Obama is NOT presidential material. Maybe he should try Hollywood instead of Washington for fame.

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

A mission! Dana Perino enunciated a mission!

“Overwatch, counter-terrorism, and training”

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq? That’s easy. “Overwatch, counter-terrorism, and training.”

Thank you, for a moment there I thought our tax dollars were being wasted.

Everybody chant for victory! “Overwatch, counter-terrorism, and training”

Shout it out! “Overwatch, counter-terrorism, and training.”

What a mission, folks, aw, it’s gonna be great, and this is just the beginning! Give the writers a little more time, and they’ll come up with more mission.

Hooray.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

MITCHELL: Let me just say something about the message management. He didn’t have reporters with him, he didn’t have a press pool, he didn’t do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq. What you’re seeing is not reporters brought in. You’re seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questions by the military, and what some would call fake interviews, because they’re not interviews from a journalist. So, there’s a real press issue here. Politically it’s smart as can be. But we’ve not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.

When we’ve lost Andrea we’ve lost the election! Well maybe not, but it sounded good as a flashback.

I believe the first questioner in today’s presser from Jordon was Andrea Mitchel, but they didn’t identify the questioners and we only got a side angle so it could have been someone else the Obbamessiah was calling Andrea. If so she also threw out Obambi’s dress code and went sleeveless. If so good for her on both counts.

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Forgotten @ 12.25, I thought it was fear, surprise, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope?

I’ll come in again…

By Paul

July 22, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Hey Hillbilly Deluxe

Just to keep the scales in balance, how about this fine example of mind numbing, tortured syntax (I can hear “I was wronnnnnggggg” Fonzie in the background):

Barack Obama was asked by ABC News tonight, “If you had it to do it over again, knowing what you know now, would you support the surge?” Obama- “No, because keep in mind that question-“

“You wouldn’t?”

“Keep in mind these type of hypotheticals. It’s very difficult to know. Hindsight is 20/20.” Later, “But I think that what I’m absolutely convinced of is that at that time we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one I just disagreed with.”

Gonna be a fun four years -

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

McCain hardly needs help at looking bad. Just look at that thinning hair. Oops, I’ve got thinning hair. The difference is that I didn’t get upset at my wife for ever pointing it out to me.

Now, what is it with the outings. RW is whatever and so is Messiah as confirmed by Mr. Bookman. At least, we are led to believe that. Well, I would like for “JAY BOOKMAN” (in capitalized black text, not blue text) to please list the two most recent labels, other than “Taxpayer” that I have used — if he wants to. Then, I’ll have a NewFlash for him: “I’m a Believer.” At least, I think that’s right — or not. All these labels are so confusing.

By ByteMe

July 22, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

Ok, I came back for a sec…

@Dusty: You REALLY think that Clinton’s sex with an intern was a bigger ethical black spot than, say, condoning and even encouraging torture, convincing three phone companies to open their phone records without a warrant or even probable cause, outing a CIA agent’s identity? Which of those examples do you think did more harm to the country… the sex example or any one of the others?

Clinton lied about having sex. Lying about upholding the constitution… well, that’s just small potatoes, huh?

By The Forgotten Messiah

July 22, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Relax, my friends from across the comedy aisle of funny on the left and not funny on the right. What profit a man to be the last comic standing yet suffer the loss of his fool?

It reminds me of a Para-parable, the quasi-pre-parables that never quite measure up to the real Parables of the Real Messiah, the Christ, but upon which the real parables were modeled. The para-parables from the forgotten messiah were loved by the pre-christians and the forgotten messiah was a d-list celeb in the halcyon days BC.

Para-parable #45

The Jester

King Herod was entertaining some Philistines when they grew tired of the dancing girls and demanded something else. Herod clapped for the court jester, who ran out into the celebration and opened with a sure fire joke that killed in kiosks along the Appian Way just weeks before. (That’s how he had made it to Herod’s). But his opening bombed. And he was soon hearing crickets and chirps from imaginary insects that only court jesters can hear. Precious seconds were clicking away, as one bit after another failed to get anything. Even participants of an orgy, which had broken out earlier when the dancing girls were on, were embarrassed and began to disentangle…..

Panicked, the jester reached into his memory for some standard repertoire stuff only hacks would use. It killed! “To cross the road!” BWAAAAA!!! “I dont mind you schtupping my wife, but do you gotta use my rear end as a scoreboard?” BWAAAAAAA!!! “Nah, you wont see nuthin’, your balls’ll be in the way.” BWAAAAAAA!!!

It was a roaring success and Herod announced he was the new permanent MC of all the orgies, dinners, and celebrations for the next year.

But then, Herod, with a new appreciation for comedy, visited a few kiosks along the Appian Way where jester after jester was doing the same hack material (to no laughs) that his new MC had used to big laughs. Herod, in fact, laughed alone at an old joke that only drew “you suck” from the crowd. When the crowd turned to inspect Herod, (in disquise), he pretended he had coughed, not laughed, and pointed at his throat and said, “Fig pollen”. Herod escaped and was furious. He realized he’d been tricked, not only by his new MC, but by the Phillistines who apparently laugh at anything. Herod declared war on the Phillistines, and beheaded his new MC.

And so I say unto you this day. Dont hack, so that ye shall not be hacked.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Did someone honestly bring up Al Gore as a grizzled combat veteran?

I believe it was shortly after that picture that they figured out he was safer with a camera and a notebook in his hands.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Dusty

This whole “experience” thing can be a problem for either party. You know how the pendulum swings - well, suppose (bear with me here) McCain picks Romney for VP and counters the “management-business” criticism. The same foreign policy, etc experience issues would be raised for him.

I’m really not that much in favor of having the pool of eligibles consisting only of long-term Washington insiders (or governors). I think in many cases we can do better. Don’t think it’d get much worse -

By Copyleft

July 22, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Yes, I did, RW… because it’s something soldier-worshippers like Dusty are stuck with.

Gore and Kerry served in Vietnam; Bush hid in the National Guard. They can’t get around it, so every time they bring up the old “war hero” argument for McLame, I enjoy throwing their hypocrisy right in their faces.

Thanks for your help!

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

The forgotten messiah is a re-run!. I thought it was Memorex and I was right.

As for McCain’s best chances at winning a war for the US — he should join the enemy’s military and take up flying again.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

What we have here is a gathering of rightwingnut unreconstructed pure unadulterated racist violent morons.

There’s really no way around that. That’s who they were, are, and always will be. No matter what logical, factual information is presented, they deny it and shout it down. They are True Believers in the Lost Cause that is George Dumbya Bush, a fanatics, possessing the minds of terrorists, fortunately without any IQ.

By mike hussein smith

July 22, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Bush didn’t “serve” as a pilot. He just got on the federal teat so he would take flight lessons for free, and then he somehow got himself grounded (drugs/booze???) and didn’t have to “serve” any more.

Mrs. Alan Greenspan apparently can’t handle the jet lag. She has been twisting Obama’s position on Iraq since landing in Afghanistan. Terry Moron did too, until Barack granted him a tete-a-tete and spelled out — yet again — that he always had said troop withdrawals would depend “on conditions on the ground.” Now McCain has begun aping that phrase to explain why we can never pull out. For the wrongists, conditions on the ground will never be ripe until those ungrateful Iraqis give up their oil in return for our posting troops there forever. Meanwhile, more Americans are dying in Afghanistan as the Taliban and al Qaida take back their old haunts. Pat Tillman died for this?

By Paul

July 22, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Copyleft

I believe we’ve pointed out before:

• If you were a poor schmuck with no chance at college you got drafted

• If you could find a way to get to college, you went and stayed and avoided the draft

• If you had no chance to avoid the draft you volunteered for the Navy or Air Force

• If it looked like you were going to get selected or if you wanted a good chance at avoiding Vietnam, AND if you had good connections, you got a Guard or Reserve slot (hardly any of those units went to ‘Nam)

• If you didn’t have to go to ‘Nam, but you volunteered anyway, people thought you were just plain nuts.

• Serving was seen as nothing to do with patriotism. Usually it was seen to do more with just plain bad luck. Leastwise, that’s how some remember it.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

Now introducing the bottom of the presidential candidate barrel, Senator John McCain. “Welcome to our program Senator McCain!”

“Thanks for having me on your program. Excuse me while I change my depends right here on the set. Wow, Johnny made a big stinky!”

By mike hussein smith

July 22, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Paul at 12:58: Just because “we” said that before doesn’t make it true. I know two college grads that the government grabbed up in the very last draft call and sent to basic training. I was one of them.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Back in 2000, McCain was cool. I actually liked the guy. Too bad he had to reinvent himself to become the looney, psychotic, lying, flip flopping, confused, dribbling, mumbling, fumbling, foaming at the mouth jack@ss that he is now.

And to think he did all of that to himself in order to appeal to the lowest common denominators posting on this blog.

Really makes one wonder what might have been.

By N-GA

July 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

I have to make a very public apology. I actually laughed out loud at the 1:02 post. I’m sorry because I really, really know I wasn’t supposed to laugh at all.

BTW, Paul…that’s exactly how I remeber it!

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Midori, McCain is now who he’s always been, a spoiled mean-tempered nasty bastar-d that likes to drink and w-hore. Like Dumbya, the only thing he has going for him is his name.

Like Dumbya, a terrible disappointment to his forebearers.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Copyleft,

You’re welcome.

I’ve noticed the left’s “core beliefs” in what’s important in a President changes drastically every four years, but magically they encompass whatever their candidate has for qualifications. I guess copy left is a good name for you.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

mike hussein smith

What was your recollection? Going to VietNam was your patriotic duty? That serving meant you loved your country more than those who didn’t serve? That if someone had offered you a Guard slot you would’ve taken it? That if you were offered duty on a Navy ship for the same length of service you’d have rather done that than go through Army basic?

N-GA

I wasn’t just raising an issue to see the response on that. If there’s one comparison that doesn’t hold, it’s attitudes during Vietnam and now.

I watched Obama’s news conference on CSPAN during lunch. He does have an admirable mind.

By Too Late, Baby

July 22, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

McCain 08: He leads the old veterans parade.

Obama 08: He leads. People. Today.

A leader is not made, or born, he is awarded leadership simply when people begin to follow. That’s what a leader is, the guy being followed.

Just like me on this blog, eh, Jay? I mean is there any doubt I lead this blog? You mentioned RW, well look at his convoluted arguments and circular logic. He never really makes a valid point, at least not one based on any reliable data. He only blogs noise as interference for my comments. He’s here simply to drown me out. with nonsense. Filibuster much? I’m the only one married to truth, justice, and the american way. But the point is, that RW wouldn’t blog here if I wasn’t keeping him up at night. Also, notice how when you indulge him, he gets all excited and starts blogging a whole bunch, like he’s thinking, “Duh, I blogged good and Bookman likes me and everything, I think I’ll blog some more, duhhhh”. What a fall guy, really. He has no idea that you’re just patronizing him. I love it!

Obama 08: America takes over. (kinda like me on this blog, eh, Jay?)

By Paul

July 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

GHT 1:18

Are we going to have to listen to four more years of complaints from the Family Values crowd?

:-)

By mike hussein smith

July 22, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

My recollecton was that I was just as important as Dick Cheney.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

TL,B 1:25

“I’m the only one married to truth, justice, and the american way.”

Batman is the smash of the moment. Not Superman. Do try to keep up, please.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Copyleft,12:48

You are so brainwashed you don’t even know the difference betweeen appreciation and worship. While you denigate our military, I appreciate them. McCain is a war hero, a tortured POW. You are an ingrate.

Maybe you should trade your white flag for the red, white and blue.

Sorry Paul,12:46

I like some kind of decent Washington experience..not anti-war,not anti-Bush everything for a few years. Chairman of a big committee sounds better. But when your main experience anywhere has been “COMMUNITY ORGANIZER”, Washington insiders begin to look much better.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Let’s sum it all up for you:

The mainstream pinko press and foreigners love Lord High Dimwit.

Need you anymore reason to vote for McCain?

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

Oh my, I thought Midori was describing herself and ..oh…she was trying to pawn it off on McCain. Won’t work. Sounds too much like Midori.

And….

All you bottom of the barrel Guys who think it is so easy to fly a military plane and then hide out, please prove your point. Go sign up for that EASY National Guard and show us your wings. Yes, Nothing to it! Be a bird, baby, and prove Bush did Nothing.

Get off your tricycles, arm chair warriors and get going..

By Paul

July 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

mhs 1:29

I also seem to recall he got deferment after deferment after deferment - and wasn’t there a marriage angle in there? He showed early promise as a politician -

Dusty

Just so long as one doesn’t become tainted, I suppose. But there is one thing to consider with the community organizer job - I think it safe to say someone of Sen Obama’s caliber, fresh out of Harvard Law School, with his extracurricular activities and class standing, would have been heavily, heavily recruited with a starting salary most would envy as an ending salary and the promise of a fast track to partner. To give that up - to do the things he did right out of law school - well, I submit that does give another view of character.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Jay, I am fascinated by the conservative ‘mind’.

Note how Butt Whiner seems incapable of grasping the notion of a moving horizon. The idea has him/her completely perplexed or befuddled.

Most human beings, by the time they reach middle school, can grasp the concept of a moving horizon, and applying that as a metaphor about Bush’s endless “War on Tare” is something that many middle-schoolers, and most non-red-state high-schoolers can mentally synthesize.

Not so many of your readers. Note their feeble infantile “humor” devoid of irony or any sophistication, just basic name-calling and abuse that seven-year-olds address to one another.

Conservatism, especially red state conservatism, is a mental disorder indicating arrested mental and social development. It is essentially stupidity and emotional retardation masquerading as a political philosophy, similar to religious fundamnentalism.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Did CSPAN have audio of the questions? How could you listen to that tortured answer where he decided his 16 months didn’t really mean anything if conditions changed, but used every word he could think of to try to make it sounded as if he had some mysterious third way without bursting out laughing?

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

Paul, those people never know when to shutup.

McCain is pretty pitiful. One more wife than Dumbya.

The only other difference I can see is McCain prefers alcohol and women, while Dumbya likes cocaine and men.

By Paul

July 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

No audio - I came in on the Fox News correspondent’s (Major Garrett’s) question where Obama quipped he’d need pencil and paper to keep track of the questions, then listened for ten more minutes or so.

I think any answer he gives trying to reconcile his past statements with the current will sound tortured to many. I just like the way he appears thoughtful. I’d read one comment from a long-time friend who said no, Obama doesn’t call him to ask what he thinks about something. He said Obama’s the type to question those he thinks would disagree with him, who’d offer viewpoints he hadn’t considered. I believe it was George S who said Pres Clinton would have these late night policy gabfests and argue eight sides of the same issue - then leave the brownnosers confused because they couldn’t figure out the “right” answer the Boss wanted. SecDef Rumsfeld did a bit of that, too.

It’s simply a quality I like -

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post Publishes McCain’s Rejected, Error-Filled Op-Ed

Right Wing Falsely Claims NYT Rejection Of McCain’s Op-Ed Was Unprecedented

Paging Mr Gramm, Paging Mr. Gram, whiner on line one

By Paul

July 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

GodHatesTrash

Personal lives of candidates or their spouses doesn’t interest me much. Go back through our list of Presidents and eliminate all those with personal, spouse or other ‘problems’ or who didn’t measure up to someone’s morality standard, who otherwise did some fine things at critical times - well, I think you see my point.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I saw an interview Obambi did last night and he was asked if he ever questioned his decisions. He said no very emphatically. That seems antithetical to the quality you seem to see in him unless he takes quite a long time to make those decisions. All indications are that that’s not the case and if it is the case it’s a quality that is better suited to a Senator than a President.

Good news though, according to Michelle he’s going to save all the world’s children.

As for Billy Jeff he had to put every option into the discussion because he made every decision based on the polling data.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

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The mainstream pinko press and foreigners love Lord High Dimwit.

Need you anymore reason to vote for McCain?>>

Well, the ignorant violent trash that voted for Dumbya appear to be voting for McCain…

Aren’t you?

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

One thing is certain, this election is going to be nothing but a referendum on the Gaffemaster, because the media acts as if McBushie doesn’t even exist.

In Manchester last night, there was just one reporter and one photographer waiting for McCain as his plane — a white, blue and gold Boeing 737-400 emblazoned with his campaign slogan, “Reform, Prosperity, Peace” — touched down on the Wiggins Airways tarmac

By Paul

July 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

If he meant once he’d researched and decided he didn’t agonize over it - or if he’d made the decision, time went by, and IF other factors hadn’t changed, and IF the results were on track… if not, it strikes me as the same characteristic many Obama supporters criticized Pres Bush for - not being willing to change course in the face of new evidence.

Y’know, as much as people, including me, write about how nice it’d be to have someone say “Wow, I really blew that call”

I think we all know that the political opposition - either side - would do in that case. And it wouldn’t be laudatory.

Out for a while -

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

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Gerbil Boy: What in the hell does all that^^ mean, you trying to put some moonbat hex on me, POS?

Stupid, inbred psychotic.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Jay, I think I know why Dumbya remains so popular with your dead-enders here.

He’s a drunken lazy sociopath, just like their daddies.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Continue to lower the bar for your candidates “wingnuts” and BOZO the Clown, though dead, could still get the nomination at your convention. Have you ever noticed how Senator McCain looks like the cat that just swallowed a canary?

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

I probably shouldn’t bother, it’s Dusty, who from all textual appearances has been throwing back shots of peppermint Schnapps and feasting on bon-bons again, but I’m not going to let this one stand: But for the President of the USA we need more than the editor of the Harvard Review, a “community organizer”, mostly absentee STATE senator and a one term senator in the USA Congress. His military experience is ZERO.

Dusty, I’m not sure why you insist on leaving out a buttload of the man’s professional history, but it’s not real mysterious. After graduating from Columbia, he took a position with Business International Corporation, and then the New York Public Interest Research Group. Are those not “real-job”-ish enough for you?

Guy goes on to grad school. Has a distinguished scholastic career—I’m not sure why the Harvard Law Review is something you think he should run AWAY from, but, well, you’re weird.

You continue to disparage his work as a community organizer by putting the position in scare quotes—well, if you want the official title, it was Director of a large, church-based organization. Again, why is this supposedly a liability to you? Why shouldn’t we seek such background in our next president?

And after that, he began his elected-office career. Where are you coming up with this “mostly absentee” crap? Want to back that up, Dusty? If you’re referring to his Senate record, try comparing his attendance while campaigning to that of McCain’s. It ain’t even close.

And—oh noes!!—his military experience is ZERO! Since when is that a prerequisite? Is that really what you want, nothing but military people running this nation? What would we call such a system of government? think think think…

And don’t get me started on RW’s ridiculous assertions that Obama is somehow a “dimwit.”

Jay, can’t you afford better trolls than this?

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

hillbilly,

Are you going after Dusty because you’re bored? Just curious because you don’t really expect any signs of intelligence from there, do you? Ditto on the others “trolls”.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

that 2:29 is just wonderful.

no wonder Dusty likes McCain - talk about family values.

he’s everything she could want in a “man”.

lovely.

just lovely.

oh, and by the way Dusty - I’d keep a careful eye on that cauldron. Must be real hard cleaning that stuff up once it boils over.

By getalife "whiners"

July 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

“Rumors are flying out of the McCain camp that a surprising and seemingly counterintuitive choice for running mate is imminent:

Larry Craig.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

ragger,

Have I mentioned that Obambi is a dimwit? No, I’ve said he’s a dunce. Please try to keep these things straight. It may be a distinction without a difference, but it proves you’re paying attention.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

this is Dusty’s idea of a ” true leader

and this

folks, it’s gonna be an anxious four months…..

By hillbilly ragger

July 22, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer @ 2.39, actually no, not bored at all, I’ve been rather swamped, actually, and shouldn’t bother.

I’m just tired of seeing the poo-pooing about Obama’s career path from a whole lot of people who can barely contain their jealousy.

Hey, I’m sorry that our guy didn’t get shot out of a plane and held by the NVA for five years, I’m sorry we’ve got the guy with the good-looking family, who didn’t dump his first wife, and whose kids are cute as buttons, but if you insist on making this about personalities, can we maybe talk about what he has accomplished? Without resorting to scare quotes around the words “Community Organizer” which, apparently, is only a notch or two above “Child Molester” in some folks’ eyes.

Argh. Really gotta run. Food must be put on family…

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I thought Bush’s dance routine was quite entertaining. I showed that one to my daughter and she thought he was dancing along to the children’s song, “If you want to be a chicken, just flap your wings and wiggle your tail…”

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Che, Yassar, and Barry

I guess that Reuters picture wanted to get Jesus and Hamas terrorist Abdel Rantisi out of the picture.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

An Obama aide explained to reporters that green is the color associated with the militant Palestinian group Hamas. But while the color does appear on Hamas banners, there is no particular symbolism to wearing green clothes, experts said.

Moreover, green is more generally seen as a symbol of Islam.

“A ban on wearing green seems bizarre,” said Richard Bulliet, a professor of Middle Eastern history at Columbia University, who said the color is associated with the family of the Prophet Mohammed.

It takes a dunce to insinuate that all of Islam is a part of Hamas.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Taxpayer,

I thought he looked like Elaine from Sienfeld :)

By Midori

July 22, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

Vanity Fair spoofs The New Yorker

By MorningStar

July 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

By Midori July 22, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this Back in 2000, McCain was cool. I actually liked the guy. Too bad he had to reinvent himself to become the looney, psychotic, lying, flip flopping, confused, dribbling, mumbling, fumbling, foaming at the mouth jack@ss that he is now.

I’m with you Midori. I’d vote for the 2000 McCain in a heartbeat. The reinvented McCain? No way! Must have something to do with politicians selling their souls to the devil to get elected to something. What some will do for a pischy job!

Paul @ 12:58PM - Finally, someone who knows they real truth about the way it was with Nam!

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to see the thousands of media stories about how horrible and tasteless that Vanity Fair cover is.

/sarc

By me

July 22, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Bookman. You are always right on! You say exactly what I think

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

Oil prices tumbled to six-week lows on Tuesday as Tropical Storm Dolly looked set to avoid refineries and rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, traders said.

That old law of supply and demand comes through again.

I know New Orleans can’t afford another hurricane right about now and Lord knows we don’t need all the hysterics over it, but it’s almost a shame that we don’t have jazz bands in the French Quarter playing Hello Dolly.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this

RW,

and then there’s this:

Tropical Storm Dolly may soon become a hurricane, and though it appears as though the storm will avoid major offshore oil rigs, oil prices have risen and oil companies are starting to take precautions. Watch video below:

By Abomi Nation

July 22, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Quiz.

If you are in the Hartsfield/Jackson terminal at the same time as John McCain be prepared to go to jail if….

A- You are carrying a gun.

B- You are in a bathroom stall next to Sen Larry Craig (Republican)

C- You are carrying a copy of the Vanity Fair magazine with the McCain cover.

The answer is C You are carrying a copy of the Vanity Fair magazine with the McCain cover The cover depicts a McCain=Bush scenario, thus making you subject to arrest.

By Taxpayer

July 22, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Fortunately, the Bush administration is horizontal — dead in the water. Will Bush just go quietly now — let us pray that he will.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I know you’re a big fan of time lines so try to see if you can follow this one. When your Huff and Puff story was written the path of TS Dolly had the refineries and some oil platforms in harms way. The later update showed they were no longer in danger and oil prices plummeted. I always thought a “progressive” could follow a progression.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is the answer that should be all over the nightly newscasts, but will likely be pulled from You Tube any minute and squirreled away forever. (Why do we use that term anyway?) I think the American people might be a little more confidant in Petraeus then the dunce in this arena.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this

Hillbilly @2:29 aka Illbilly,

I didn’t make Obama’s record. He did. And it has been decorated and redecorated by his campaign managers.

Wikipedia does not even list the firms you said Obama worked with after graduation. Must have been a long time. He took out loans to finance college. He finished Harvard with high honors which is great. But the longest work he has done is “community organizer” which sounds like “union organizer” at a different level.

In his eight years in STATE SENATE he was said to have helped pass three major bills. On controversial measures, he was also known to vote ‘present’instead of ‘yes or no’ to avoid being controversial.

During his State tenure he also flip flopped six different times saying he either pressed the wrong button By mistake or didn’t understand. He was NOT elected on his first try to get into the state legislature.

Yes, I think military service is important for a President but not essential. I think Bush’s military service showed loyalty. His two degrees from Harvard and Yale including an MBA show his abilities. His successful protection of America is outstanding. His efforts in the MidEast are well on the way to establishing the first “free” Middle East country. And YOU WANT TO SNEER AT THAT?

Go ahead and act dumb. No wonder you like Obama. It does not take much to fool you. And he has also written about his use of drugs which you probably also know much about.

Be sure and laugh at Midori’s ‘uglies”. I don’t bother with her usual vulgarities. If that’s your kinda stuff, go for it. And call ‘names’ to replace your lack of intelligence. Nobody is surprised.

By GMAN

July 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

“RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait to see the thousands of media stories about how horrible and tasteless that Vanity Fair cover is.’

The only problem is the Vanity Fair cover is the truth.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

um, RW — That’s a Reuters story (shrug)

By Midori

July 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

listen to Crusty breaking bad!!

Whatcha gonna do, Crusty? Release the Kracken?

LMAO!!

I’m soooooo scared…..

and GMAN —

ya beat me to it :)

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

You’ve gotta give Jon Stewart credit for being one of the few that dare to find comedy where it can be found

Mild language alert, as in mild alert, not as in mild language.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

The Secret Service agents are going to hate having to diaper President McCain. Maybe the Corporal can go back to work.

Flashback to the Reagan years… good old Dependsable Ronnie.

Nancy had Frank Sinatra as her back door man. I wonder who Cindy’s will be.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Which do you think was written earlier, the Reuters story or it’s posting at Huff and Puff? I’d forgotten how dense you were when you did anything but squawk.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

So far this month, five U.S. troops have been killed in combat, compared with 78 U.S. deaths last July. Attacks across the country are down more than 80 percent. Still, when asked if knowing what he knows now, he would support the surge, the senator said no.

“These kinds of hypotheticals are very difficult,” he said. “Hindsight is 20/20. But I think that what I am absolutely convinced of is, at that time, we had to change the political debate because the view of the Bush administration at that time was one that I just disagreed with, and one that I continue to disagree with — is to look narrowly at Iraq and not focus on these broader issues.”

I don’t know, maybe Lord High Dimwit liked it when 78 soldiers a month were getting killed.

Don’t you kowards hate it because Bush was right?

By Midori

July 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

dunno, RW - I didn’t look at the time.

In any event, it just seems to be that any and every excuse is used and will be used in order to raise gas prices.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

“It is not going to be a political speech,” said a senior foreign policy adviser, who spoke to reporters [about the upcoming Berlin speech] on background. “When the president of the United States goes and gives a speech, it is not a political speech or a political rally.

“But he is not president of the United States,” a reporter reminded the adviser.

This kind of thing is likely to be the downfall of Team Dunce.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

RW,

notice I didn’t come back with the childish insults you’re so well known for.

I understand that’s all you have.

Poor thing.

I’ll light a candle for you.

By RW-(the original)

July 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Try it this way. Would it have been possible for the Huff and Puff to post the Reuters story before Reuters wrote it?

I couldn’t match you in insults already thrown out if I did nothing but that for the rest of my life nonstop.

By MorningStar

July 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Here’s another tidbit from the July 14, 2008 issue of The American Conservative. (((Surge the Globe) The Taliban in Afghanistan has been “decapitated,” military sources told the press in early June. Air and ground operations in the southwestern Helmand province had eliminated key rebel strongholds.

It seems, however, that a headless insurgency is even more dangerous. In June, 45 Coalition soldiers, including 27 Americans, were killed in Afganistan, more than any month since the invasion of 2001.

In the same period, 31 Western troops-29 of them American-lost their lives in Iraq. The Bush administration was quick to attribute the low Iraq death toll to the high troop levels of its surge strategy. But the relative stability there was spoilt by the increasing havoc in Afganistan))).

See 12:24PM post by MorningStar for rest of the story. Sounds a lot like ‘robbing Peter to pay Paul’ (no offence Paul).

So what will Bush do? Try to develop a reasonable exit from two wars, or attack Iran? Decisions, decisions. So much to decide, and sooooo little time.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Good grief, Midori,3:55

Were you raised in the back alley of some slum district? Sure sounds like it.

By the way, did CDC check to see if you were the source of salmonella? They should.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

John McCain is jealous of Barack Obama. He’s frustrated by the attention the Illinois senator and Democratic presidential aspirant is receiving on his tour of combat zones in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It appears he’s not the only one who’s jealous.

By Midori

July 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Is that what you are whipping up in your cauldron, Crusty?

A cure?

Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble….

By Midori

July 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

just for you RW

I’ll pray for you, too.

By GodHatesTrash

July 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Crusty Dusty, complaining about someone else’s hygiene?

Why you silly old pig. I can smell you in Vermont.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

Well, well , well all ya’ll leftist, loony, lurking, lenient, loquacious LIBERALS. This is DUSTY talking here, and I mean business. My bestest and greatest President ever was in our very own city. I knew he would come, I just knew it. I have been writing him every day asking him to please visit us again. I am about to perish right here in my kitchen. I can barely choke down my 5th pork chop. Oh Laura, you have no idea how lucky you are, having such a big strong man to protect you and only you, and well and the rest of us too. As a matter of fact I just do not know how I can sleep at night without big, strong Georgie being our decider after November. I guess McCain will have to do. He really should feed his wife more though. She is SO thin, a bag of bones. My man needs a butt he can whip with a car antenna if you know what I mean.

And right now all the powers of nature are raining down on your evil Liberal heads. Serves you all right for thinking a Moslem could be President. You will be smited by the Lord when you cast that ballot. Prepare for eternal Damnation and bring your 10,000 SPF, you will need it.

By Dusty

July 22, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

HO hum ID THIEF@8:03 Not the real Dusty of course.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

July 22, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

To Paul @12:33

I just saw the Obama question on Youtube a few minutes ago….I think you are right; that also is world class, mind numbing, tortured syntax….As a matter of fact when I was finished watching my reaction was “What the hell did he just say?” Perhaps I can have someone on each side of me repeating both quotes for my dentist trip. On second though that might not be a good idea. They might not be able to revive me when it’s over.

By Copyleft

July 23, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

RW: I’ve noticed the left’s “core beliefs” in what’s important in a President changes drastically every four years, but magically they encompass whatever their candidate has for qualifications.

Nope, not even close. DUSTY was the fool claiming that military service is the Magic Key to Presidential Quality, and I simply pointed out that HER standard was the hypocritical one. Kerry and Gore both exceeded Bush’s meager resume in that arena, and yet she found a reason to vote against the combat veterans.

I never said military service was vital in a President; she did. And, as usual, she lied.