Jay Bookman

By alan

July 17, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Jay -

Despite glaring evidences, the global-warming deniers will continue to perpetuate the all too familiar mantra that, “it is a scheme designed by elite leftists, communists, marxists, and anti-capitalists” to bring down the industrialization of the west.

This is an issue both Obama and McCain ought to seriously raise the level of debate on because it is in part related to finding a realistic solution to our current energy crises.

alan

By sunshine and thunder

July 17, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

You guys love to call those who disagree with you names but you offer no evidence that what they say is wrong.

BTW, the IRCC has been refuted and there are a lot of credentialed scientists who don’t believe in man made global warming.

I suggest you global warming balonyists google “eugenics” and relive another false science that took on a life of its own.

See if you can find some witches to burn while you’re at it.

By RW-(the original)

July 17, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

Actually the kooks that believe Lee Harvey Oswald had help and that spaceships are in area 51 are on the same side as the man made global warming Gorebots.

By Bud Wiser

July 17, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Global warming exists. Global warming is a hoax. Who do you believe? Both sides of the issue parade their experts to testify to their respective positions.

Since Jay is outside cooking his dinner on the hood of his car, and forgot to present the non-global warming side, I shall do that.

A view from the French: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/NoGlobalWarm.pdf

The National Center for Public Policy Research: http://www.nationalcenter.org/TSR032204.html

And another American’s position from an expert. Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=19485

And finally, the American Policy Center: http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglobal.htm

If you buy into this global warming crap that Al Gore is making himself rich on, and Jay has swallowed hook, line and sinker, then you are a fool. And these references are not from “…a small if dwindling band of global warming deniers (that) continues to fight on, insisting that as long as they hold out against the hordes of smock-clad scientists, no consensus can be said to exist.” Global warming has been ‘trended up’ like the presidential campaign; if you confront or oppose Barak ObamaI on anything, then you are a racist: if you don’t swallow the global warming fiction, then you are an out of touch denier of the faith.

Another example laid out perfectly by the left, showing just who is not in touch with reality. Listening to people bray about global warming is like trying to watch Congress get one dam thing done, or listenin to Nancy (the Commie)Pelosi shrill out again how nothing, no how, no where, no way, is up for negotiation on anything. It is her way or the highway. Just looking at that botox complection with her eyebrows pulled 3/4 the way up her forehead gives me the creeps.

I am ordering my winter clothes online, and going for the extra thermal protection.

By Bud Wiser

July 17, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

Jay, are you going to pull my post because you don’t agree with it? Or because it is factual?

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 17, 2008 7:55 PM | Link to this

Bud, you know very well why your post was pulled. This aggrieved-child act is beneath you. Or not, as the case may be.

By George E. Smith

July 17, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

What a crock. That EPA report is bogus even before the ink dried. The present global temperature is +15 deg C. So by the end of the century; according to the EPA’s “international team of “scientists” ” it will be 22.5 deg C The earth’s global temperature has NEVER been as high as 22.5 deg C, as far back ast the Permian era 600 million years ago when the CO2 wa !!! 7000 ppm !!!

You MMGW nutcakes have had your run; the wheels are falling off your chariot, and the earth is cooling rapidly while the CO2 continues to climb.

you need to go find yourselves a new scam; this one has been discovered.

By George E. Smith

July 17, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Sorry there; make that the Cambrian; the Permian is much more recent.

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 17, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this

Bud, I apologize. I have no idea why that most recent post was pulled, or even how. I thought you were referring to last night’s post. I’m trying to restore it.

By getalife "whiners"

July 17, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Pelosi On Bush: God Bless That “Total Failure”

No, God damn that total failure.

Amen.

By RW-(the original)

July 17, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Jay @ 8:11,

I’m sure you and I will disagree on most everything, but that was a class act. Kudos!

By Jay's brother

July 17, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

My dear brother Jay, so why was Greenland named as such when it was discovered??—you nor any of your global warming doomsayers have been able to explain that one in previous posts.

Since you are into data and facts, how about these:

NASA grudgingly admits now that the hottest year was not 1998 as previously reported, but 1934. And that 6 of the 10 hottest years since 1880 antedate 1954.

Data from 3000 robots in the world’s oceans show there has been slight COOLING in the past 5 yrs.

Last winter was the coldest winter in decades.

German climate modelers report in the journal Nature that “global warming” is due for a decade long vacation

The arctic cap may be thinning, but the Antarctic sea ice has been expanding for years.

Consensus? Hardly. I suppose that the “global warming” type understand that these facts are out there (although hardly ever reported in the AJC), so now it’s “climate change”.

This has nothing to do with science no matter how much “global warmers” like to pretend by cherry picking data and certain “authorities”. It is all about politics. Since Communism and Socialism failed spectacularly in the 20th century, leftists like my dear brother Jay found that fear politics of global warming doomsday serves as a convenient vehicle to advance their collectivist agenda and forestall the advance of capitalism.

So dear brother, since you brought it up, I ask again: why was Greenland named as such?

By Daniel

July 17, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Jay, Why don’t you look at actual data instead of clinging to unscientific beliefs? In other words, you need to check out some inconvenient truths. Specifically, why hasn’t there been any warming since at least 2000? Greenhouse emissions have shot up and yet not warming? Isn’t that a bit curious? http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/a-new-view-on-giss-data-per-lucia/

It is also important to listen to dissenting viewpoints, such as the editor of the American Physical Society who recently wrote, ”There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.” http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm

Human have an effect on the climate, but the question is the extent of our effect. It is hard to claim we are the primary cause of the warming since the industrial revolution when we haven’t seen warming lately.

By Jay's brother

July 17, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

Oh and this just in dear brother, the American Physical Society, representing 50,000 physicists have REVERSED their previous position about global warming being man made—and that their is “considerable skepticism” among its membership.

I guess those small minded physicists lacking any logical intellect will fit in nicely at Little Big Horn, huh Jay.

Darn, nothing like statistics and science to foil a perfectly liberal political agenda.

By Jay's brother

July 17, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

Prof Viscount Monckton of the APS presented a paper that exposed that the position of IPCC(intergovermental panel on climate change) in their reports of 2001 and 2007 contain “numerous exaggeration and extensive errors”.

He also says that in the past 70 yrs, the Sun was more active than anytime in the past 11,400 yrs. Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as the Earth.

Now just who are the “denyers” again?

By Ozonator

July 17, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Extremist Republican and Christians science consists of “selling used cars, delousing showers, and male enhancement”. In other words, “an elephant is soft and mushy” from those needing to do no home work based on their divine gene pool - “Report: US behind in doubling science grads” (By JUSTIN POPE, The Associated Press; nola.com, 7/15/08).

By Morningstar

July 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Jay, a really good column as usual.

Alan @ 7:01PM….well said.

By Bud Wiser July 17, 2008 7:40 P am ordering my winter clothes online, and going for the extra thermal protection.

Hello out there Wiser family. Open the windows and turn on the fan come December! Bud’s gonna be smelling like the Green Acres piggy pen!!!

By Believer

July 17, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Hack. Hack. Can’t…breath.

Too…Much…C…O…2.

Need…Plain…O…2.

No…Trees…Too…Much…Hot…Air…

Hack…Hack.

By Hilllbilly Deluxe

July 17, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

First let me say I am not a scientist. Actually I hated science in school but I wish I had learned more about chemistry I could have used that knowledge.

Anyhow just a few random observations. Industrialization started going great guns in the mid to late 1800s. I remember my Grandpa talking of driving ox carts across a creek on the ice in Gilmer County in the 1890s when he was a boy. The same creek is still there and to my knowledge hasn’t frozen in years. I remember when I was a boy how all the older people talked about how it didn’t get as cold anymore. They said in the old days it got cold around hog killing time and stayed cold all winter. I remember when I was a boy it stayed colder more in winter. We had more snow then and more frequent ice storms. (Nothing is without it’s upside or as Harry Caray used to say “It’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow somebody some good.”)

Anyway there are no facts and figures to back this up but I’ve heard people say all my life that it isn’t as cold as it used to be. Maybe they were on to something.

By Bob B

July 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

Jay—-boy are you wrong—The Earth has been cooling for the past 10yrs—no reason to fear. The Oceans have been cooling as well—-please read and learn :

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24036602-25717,00.html

By Bob B

July 17, 2008 9:20 PM | Link to this

American Physical Society now admits no consensus among scientists for human caused global warming:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/aps-edito-reverses-position-on-global-warming-cites-considerable-presence-of-skeptics/

By Bob B

July 17, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

Antarctic sea ice is at all time highs:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

By Bob B

July 17, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

Every time there has been a moderated debate, the global warmer scientists have lost

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/03/intelligence-squared-climate-debate.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9082151

Even the “right wing” NPR was forced to admit this!

By Taxpayer

July 17, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this

I personally try to avoid the discussions regarding just about any changes that occur on a global scale. There are more than enough unknowns for people to argue, with or without data, for a lifetime — however long that might be. I prefer instead to try and just get people to think about our meager lives here on this planet from a more simplistic viewpoint. For one, we need oxygen to survive. Second, we need plant life to convert all the CO2 that we make back into C and O2. There are more and more humans and animals every day and we consume more and more O2. We are burning more and more hydrocarbons which consumes O2 and creates more CO2 — a double whammy. We are cutting down more trees and other plant life than we are putting back so we have less and less CO2 being converted. Now, the logical solution is to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels or at least use methods that don’t continue to deplete oxygen while increasing CO2. In the mean time, we can all watch the earth either heat up or cool off in our lifetimes. The data-gathering process for that one will be like watching grass grow in slow motion. We’ve finally managed to start weaning ourselves off of cigarettes. Now, we need to take the next step toward a sustainable, breathable atmosphere. Let’s get rid of smog and breath easier for it. By the way, plant a tree also.

By Bob B

July 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

So please Jay—get your data straight:

NPR on the Oceans cooling:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025

Globe is now cooling despite the chicken litte propaganda:

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/four-scientists-global-warming-out-global-cooling-in/

By Ozonator

July 17, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this

We have been chillin’ ever since and General Motors was saved by advertising with LABI Limbaugh - ” RUSH … Ha! Arrogant, arrogant people! … Story #4: 1936 Was Worst Year for Wildfires in California … RUSH … 1936 was the hottest year on record for this country … no CO2 hysteria … it wasn’t George Bush’s fault … couldn’t blame SUVs … it’s going to get cooler in the future. There’s nothing we can do about it” (”Stack of Stuff Quick Hits Page”; Mr. Rush “LABI” Limbaugh, The Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity extremist Republican and Christian hosts of corporate w******* for tired media outlets; Standard Oil of Palm Beach’s royal eunuch, plagiarism’s epicenter, and RNC liars club; rushlimbaugh.com, 10/25/07).

Now, even ExxonMobil is sponsoring snowmobile races on Scenic Highway in Baton Rouge outside their health spa.

By hillbilly ragger

July 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

snort.

the deniers—they’re sad, aren’t they?

Hillbilly Deluxe, like you say. Those who’ve been paying attention aren’t especially surprised by what the climatologists have found.

By TW

July 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

Gore nailed it when he said those who deny global warming share company with those who think the landing on the moon was fixed.

There is no greater evidence of this country’s lack of IQ than the current national swirl about the bowl. We are in this mess today because we have listened to bad advice. Who has had our ear? Limbaugh and his ilk with their horsh!t schtick designed only to fatten their wallets at the cost of our country.

Gonna be alot of wide-eyed republicans when St. Peter points at the slide….

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

This is too sweet, “brother.”

At random, I chose to investigate one item in your harangue, your claim that, and I quote, “the American Physical Society, representing 50,000 physicists have REVERSED their previous position about global warming being man made—and that their is “considerable skepticism” among its membership.”

I note that Bob B. noted that “change” as well. In your words, “nothing like statistics and science to foil a perfectly liberal political agenda.”

Yes indeed, nothing like statistics and science. Oh, and might I add, Google?

Because I googled American Physical Society, and what’s the very first entry?

Why, this:

“APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate.”

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that “Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum.” This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.”

Again, that is all from the APS site. There is also a link to the original APS position statement, the statement tat the APS reconfirms: It states, and I quote:

“Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth’s climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.”

Again, one Google query completely obliterates your claim. Just one.

You could have made that query. You , and Bob B., and others, could have responded with just a hint of skepticism and tried to doublecheck the claim you so enthusiastically embraced.

But you so WANTED to believe that you did not do that. As a result, you got suckered.

Back at Little Big Horn, “brother.”

By Bud Wiser

July 17, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this

“By Morningstar

July 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

Jay, a really good column as usual.

Alan @ 7:01PM….well said.

By Bud Wiser July 17, 2008 7:40 P am ordering my winter clothes online, and going for the extra thermal protection.

Hello out there Wiser family. Open the windows and turn on the fan come December! Bud’s gonna be smelling like the Green Acres piggy pen!!!”

Typically the ignorant liberal cannot discuss with a shred of intelligence the subject at hand, but instead resorts to the only things their feeble minds are capable of…insults, attempts at barnyard humor, or changing the subject matter.

Morningstar shows once more why you cannot reason with left wingers; they do not possess the intellectual capacity to try to answer FACTS without resorting to FICTION. I submit that the only thing that smells here is Morningstar’s ability to respond to information like a civil human being, instead of being a total jerkweed.

By Bud Wiser

July 17, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

Yet another:

(we could go on all night, but what’s the point?)

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57605

By RW-(the original)

July 17, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

All ones needs to know is how to google search to find all the answers?

I tried to get to the bottom of the McCain c-bomb controversy with a google search and let’s just say it wasn’t that helpful with the story, but it was entertaining.

By Eric

July 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Link to this

You need look no further for proof of global warming than the trend of milder winters. Atlanta has not had a serious ice storm in years (certainly there will be some from time to time, but the pattern is clearly in the null). Asheville, NC has hardly any significant snowfall anymore. I lived there in the mid-1980s and snow accumulation was already decreasing. How can anyone refute this? I fear for the next generation big-time!

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 17, 2008 10:29 PM | Link to this

no, RW, that’s all one needs to know. But in this particular instance — determining the official stance of a particular organization — it is a very useful tool.

Simple question, simple answer.

By RW-(the original)

July 17, 2008 10:39 PM | Link to this

Oh come on Jay, you had to see that I was using your post as a stepping stone for the joke and I think I kept it cryptic enough for a broad audience.

Dang, did I say broad?

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Yes I realize you went to the official statement and made some people look a little foolish. Good for you. Personally I love the google and if you’re a conservative you learn to work from the last entry back if you want some facts.

By JAY BOOKMAN

July 17, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Of course, RW. I didn’t take you literally….

And good night.

By AJC/DNC Management

July 17, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this

Funeral for a friend.

I hurt in ways that can never be imagined.

By RW-(the original)

July 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Link to this

Goodnight Jay

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AJC/DNC-M,

Was that a serious post? Email me if it was. rw.theoriginal@gmail.com

By Taxpayer

July 17, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry to hear that you are in pain, Andy.

By Ozonator

July 17, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Oooooo! That cooling trend prophesy of our typical American extremists has become so pronounced in just the last few hours that the Baton Rouge and Audubon Zoos will have to add polar bear exhibits to eat the migrating caribou not killed by our deer leases and other poachers. Big BR Mayor Holden will have to rename “Catfish Town” to “Arctic Char -Ming Estates”.

“Earth scored another Top 10 finish in June — climate wise. It was the eighth warmest June on record, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported Wednesday. And the first six months of the year were the ninth warmest since record keeping began in 1880” (“Global Warming: Top 10, Again”; The Associated Press; nola.com, 7/16/08).

By GodHatesTrash

July 17, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

Jay, Custer and Masada are interesting references - but how about the kid-raping whackos at Waco and Jim Jones’ kool-aid krew?

By God

July 18, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

God Hates Trash.

By Hillbilly Deluxe

July 18, 2008 1:03 AM | Link to this

This really has nothing to do with global warming but once Custer got himself into that little valley there he really had no choice but to fight on. Too bad he took all his men with him though. He screwed up and they paid the price with him.

By Monckton

July 18, 2008 3:49 AM | Link to this

The childishly petulant tone of this article conceals a deep and proper unease. Temperature has been falling globally for seven years, while CO2 concentration has been rising. A major paper in the current edition of Physics and Society says the UN’s climate panel has exaggerated the effects of CO2 on temperature by 500-2000%. So there is no climate crisis. End of scare. Time to write about something else.

By Ozonator

July 18, 2008 5:43 AM | Link to this

“Childishly petulant tone” is another gateway into more crimes against nature with ExxonMobil in the closet. Lord Monckton, it is time to put up or shut up.

Global warming has turned the planetary ecosystem into a kaleidoscope. With or without massive earthquakes, expect Jamaica, Cuba, and the area from Baton Rouge to Houston to be hit by a 1 - 2 category hurricane ecosystem from the main tropical system in Caribbean Sea. The current cluster of potential hurricanes lurking between Virginia and Brazil allow for a better prediction of victims than my earlier posts but may be insignificant compared to the death and destruction the predicted line of earthquakes on a matching tract. The current broad area of low pressure in the Caribbean Sea is the degenerated tropical wave from 7/13/08 that should become a 1 - 2 category hurricane and hit Jamaica, Western Cuba, and then between Houston and Baton Rouge in adherence with predicted hurricane paths (2/13/08) and energy discharges associated with earthquakes (7/13 - 19/08). “III. … B. North Atlantic Hurricanes for 2008 with potential for Europe, Africa, and South America … 2. … a. Havana - Monterrey, Mexico - Baton Rouge and b. Jamaica - Tampa - Palm Beach - Miami … The taxonomy key of hurricane ecosystems for 2008 with the relative percentage chance of getting wiped out is: 1.6. Mid-Atlantic - Bahamas/Hispaniola - Florida (Palm Beach/Tampa) - Alabama - Ohio - Pennsylvania, and 11%; 1.7.a. Mid-Atlantic - Grenada - Jamaica - Western Cuba - Louisiana - Alabama - West Virginia, 1.7.b. Mid-Atlantic - Grenada - Jamaica - Yucatan - Monterrey, Mexico” (“10th Annual 2008 North Atlantic Basin Hurricane Season Predictions with Related, Planetary Models”; Robert Rhodes, Supplemental; GBRWE 2/10 - 16/08; 2/13/08 - not included).

Bad news, we have already seen sympathetic harmonics with a ~3.1 Richter quake in Illinois and a ~5.6 Richter quake off of Oregon. Independent of what was done on 2/13/08,“B. The specifics of the Giulaino - Gansu Model (7/13 - 19/08) of extreme earthquake warnings with included statistics, analysis indicates for regions (magnitude in Richters) are: 1. Moon Walk Model: a. Nicaragua (6+) - Jamaica (5+) - Cuba (6+) - Louisiana (3+) - LABI, Missouri (4+) - Colorado (4+) - Northern California (7+)” (“GBRWE 7/13 - 19/08’s Extreme Planetary Warnings for Earthquakes, Volcanoes, and Solar/Terrestrial Flares from Human Activities”; Robert Rhodes, Supplemental; GBRWE 7/13 - 19/08, 7/12/08).

By Mike

July 18, 2008 6:11 AM | Link to this

Wow! That is some convincing argument Jay! A bunch of partisan ad hominem attacks directed at the same people you attack every single day and two quotes from two scientists who share your opinion.

Personally, I know that climate change is real, but that doesn’t mean that Bookman’s writing and logic is anything less than pathetic.

It is the kind of writing, at the level of a barely educated blogger, that is leading to the AJC’s slow death.

Maybe someday Jay will address the AJC’s failuresd in the same way he addresses any other business’s failure: with finger pointing and scorn.

Nah, that would require courage and intellectual honesty.

By Mike

July 18, 2008 6:22 AM | Link to this

If anyone wants to read what a real columnist writes, check out the post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071701841.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Unlike Bookman, this guy actually makes his point about climate change without sounding like a petulant teenager. That’s why I cancelled the AJC years ago and got the Post delivered to my house.

By Taxpayer

July 18, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this

And yet, those devout to the word of the post come back. What draws them. Is it boredom with their limited news source. What. What is it.

By Mike

July 18, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer -

Are you making the absurd claim that the Washington Post is a more limited news source than the AJC? Do you have any idea what you are talking about.

I come back to protest the hijacking of an important local resource by partisn activists. This focus on ideology instead of news is costing the community its local newspaper. W

e all know Fox News is a joke, but at least there are other options for TV news. We have no other option for local news and the AJC has used it monopoly to push the partisan views of its owners.

By Copyleft

July 18, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Bloggers know nothing; policy centers know nothing; and, in particular, talk-radio drones know NOTHING about climatology.

Only climatologists are qualified to offer meaningful conclusions on this subject, and they have. Case closed.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/

Despite the Bushies’ best efforts, you really DON’T get to dictate reality according to your political and economic preferences. Science has spoken. Debate over.

By hillbilly ragger

July 18, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Mike, you obviously don’t actually read the newspaper, else you wouldn’t claim that the AJC “pushes the partisan views of its owners.”

I read more sub-literate right wing drivel in this hillbilly rag than any human being should have to tolerate. Christ, while I am saddened to hear of the loss of the local sections just because, in principle, we Gwinnettians ought to have such a section, I delight in never ever having to see the “Gwinnett Vent”, which was about 90% racist garbage about Those Mexicans Roonin’ Our Way a Laff.

This “partisan” AJC provides a forum for the bloodthirsty neocon thug Krauthammer, the simpering conservative apologist David Brooks, and George Freaking Will every week. Every week I gotta see these ugly mugs spewing their RW drivel.

And the letters! Every thin-skinned whiny-arsed teatty-baby who is offended to see Cynthia Tucker so much as mention a racial issue is published in glorious, whiny detail.

Partisan? These guys endorsed John Linder in 2006 for my district. John Linder! The FairTax nutball! the liar who said he’d term-limit himself, and never did! the guy who showed up at the top of the list of junketeers!

Shall I go on, Mike, or are you going to go complain to your Internets buddies that I’m being a meaniehead to you? Again?

By Taxpayer

July 18, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

I could not help but poke fun at you, Mike. You stated that you left AJC for the Post but you return to poke holes in Bookman’s opinion piece that happens to reference a Post article. Further, you seem to be projecting an opinion of your own that the AJC is suffering a loss of subscribers and or revenues due to some of their reporter’s/ editor’s biases and/or writing styles. Your inference is that they only need to emulate the Washington Post or some similar entity and all will be well in the world. Absurdity is in the eye of the beholder, Mike.

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Jay—-I didn;t see you deny the Earths temperature has been deceasing? Because you can’t. The data is the data—something you know nothing about.

By Bud Wiser

July 18, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

By Copyleft

July 18, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Bloggers know nothing; policy centers know nothing; and, in particular, talk-radio drones know NOTHING about climatology.

Only climatologists are qualified to offer meaningful conclusions on this subject, and they have. Case closed.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/start-here/

Despite the Bushies’ best efforts, you really DON’T get to dictate reality according to your political and economic preferences. Science has spoken. Debate over.

I looked at your so-called ‘scientific website’, and it is nothing more than a bunch of bloggers! Well, you were right about one thing; the debate IS over….you have no brain.

By Goldie

July 18, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this

Nothing gets the corporatists’ underwear in a wad more than the issue of climate change today. Except maybe the issue of their “free market” CEO’s system now having to beg for mercy and money from the taxpayers! What a bunch of b***’ cry-babies!

These are the same corporatists who once perjured themselves by swearing that the cigarette industry had no knowledge of their product causing lung cancer… they will lie as long as they continue to exist!

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Confession from a former warm-aholic—-no hot spot:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24036736-7583,00.html

By Shawny

July 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Hasn’t been into the 90s all week. In Atlanta. In July. hmmmmm…

And where are the hurricaines. Haven’t had one hit the US mainland in going on 3 years.

Record cold temps in many parts of the US this past winter, including record snowfalls (precip <> drought).

I am not from Missouri, but SHOW ME.

By Goldie

July 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Poor Mike — he cancelled his AJC subscription because he now spends all his time whining on the AJC blogs, insisting that only his small-minded viewpoint is newsworthy… why not start your own local newspaper, Mikey, if you really believe that the masses want to read your selection of what is you feel is newsworthy and unoffensive to your very small mind?

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Copyleft—your heros have gotten their butts kicked. The IPCC projections have been recently falsified. And as hard as Gavin Shmidt tries to argue the other way—-the analysis of the past 7 years of Earths temperature are shown to 95% confidence to not fall in the IPCC or realclimate projections!

http://rankexploits.com/musings/2008/result-of-boring-series-gavins-closer-process-falsifies/#comments

By NRB

July 18, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

How much is the AJC polluting and contributing to global warming with the delivery of their papers? Step up to the plate, libs, and shut your paper down. You know…for the good of mankind.

By SaveOurRepublic

July 18, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Like the fraud of “Peak Oil”, man-made/caused Global Warming is a complete hoax drummed up by the Globalist Elite funded “Green (= New “Red”)” movement to obtain further big government enpowerment via global carbon taxation & sustainable development (*see the UN’s Agenda 21, etc.). This is all part of the Elite’s agenda implementation strategy folks!

http://books.google.com/books?id=8HzBjbAaOVcC

By Fix-It

July 18, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

One eruption of a volcano puts out more CO2 than man has made in 10 years, the problem is Al Gore could not figure out how to tax a volcano. Wake up you losers this is a scam to make Al rich. Paying for “Carbon Credits” does not make it go away, if you want a true consensus from the scientist poll all 20 million of them not the 2500 on Al Gore’s payroll.

By Mike

July 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer bleated:

“You stated that you left AJC for the Post but you return to poke holes in Bookman’s opinion piece that happens to reference a Post article.”

So what? I never questioned the validity of his quotes. I was pointing out how feeble his writing and logic were. (Kind of like your feeble writing and logic.)

“Further, you seem to be projecting an opinion of your own that the AJC is suffering a loss of subscribers and or revenues due to some of their reporter’s/ editor’s biases and/or writing styles.”

It isn’t just my opinion. The blog the AJC put up about their layofs had many quotes from former subscribers who cancelled their subscription because they no longer wanted to purchase the liberal Fox News.

I also worked at Cox Communications for years and still have many friends there. It is common knowledge that the paper is liberal and has gotten more so over the past few years. is it so absurd to think that this may cost it subscribers in one of the most conservative states in the US?

“Your inference is that they only need to emulate the Washington Post or some similar entity and all will be well in the world.”

This is a silly straw man. I never said anything remotely like that nonsense.

What I inferred was that the Post’s writers are far better than Bookman. As a result, I choose to purchase the superior product. Looks like a lot of people are, as the AJC’s circulation is dropping at about three times the rates of the Post’s.

By Chicken Little

July 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

By @@

July 18, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this

Jay:

The word likely seems to carry a lot of weight with you liberals. Let’s try this:

*It’s as likely as not that you have stones.

So how much do they weigh?

By Goldie

July 18, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

How much are the right-wingnut extremists causing more global warming with their b@llshit arguments day after day? Step up to the plate, true Conservatives, and shut down your gas-bag extremists… you know, for the good of your Christian love for humanity.

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

Recent paper shows CO2 effects overstated by 500%:

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

And here is a copy of Gavin Schmidt of Realclimate trying to find fault in the paper, ending up again getting his butt kicked:

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/moncktonpapers/chuckitschmidtasciencecommentaryonwebpostsat_realclimate.html

Soit is the deniers who are really turning up the heat Jay—-that is the only heating because the Earth is coooooling!

By Taxpayer

July 18, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Dang,

Did anyone here take any Physics in school. Thermodynamics, perhaps? Does Entropy ring a bell. If you want to extend the time horizon out far enough, then it’s a pretty safe bet that things are gonna get cooler. But, what about over shorter times? The qualitative answer is that we can and will obviously have temperature variation about the longer-term trend — the trend toward absolute zero. Then again, who really knows what’s going to happen in another few billion years. We could always wait and see or we could use some common sense and start thinking about being just better stewards of this place we call home. What have we got to lose.

By Eric1

July 18, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Too bad these brain tumors won’t be around to participate when the earth starts to sizzle. And too bad the sensible among us won’t be around to say I told you so. Or, maybe it’s not as far off as we think, and we’ll all suffer the consequences of our actions/inaction. In any case, global warming is real and many will suffer because of it.

By Fred

July 18, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Why do we call it Greenland? It’s covered with snow. Gee, could it be that when the viking arrived, it was…er….green? Why would that be? Could it be that during the middle ages, it was a lot warmer than now? This is just a bunch of greedy politicians clamoring to make a pile of cash off Carbon Credits. When was the last time you saw ANY prominent global warming alarmist actually taking public transportation or driving a Prius? Um….NEVER! That’s because they want everyone else to put up while they profit. Jay and the rest of you liberal losers a just a bunch of patsies!! What a pack of idiots.

By Al Gore

July 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Okay all you heathens! Park your SUV’s and turn off those air conditioners! Buy those carbon offsets to pay for your sins! as he walks away to take an SUV ride to his awaiting private jet to go back to his 191,000 kilowatt hour estate

By Mike

July 18, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

“By Goldie

How much are the right-wingnut extremists causing more global warming with their b@llshit arguments day after day? Step up to the plate, true Conservatives, and shut down your gas-bag extremists… you know, for the good of your Christian love for humanity.”

Say hello to the future of the AJC as the print paper dies and it turns into another Huff Post. Comments like the above will be the last residue of Henry Grady’s squandered legacy. Really sad.

By grelican

July 18, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

From where I sit, if 99 percent of the experts agree that global warming is happening and it’s caused by us, giving the 1 percent who don’t think so equal time on the matter like there are two equal and opposing views on it just seems foolish.

In the rest of the world, this isn’t a liberal or conservative thing. It’s a scientific thing. We look at CO2 levels over the past 800k years, look at storm patterns, look at sea ice, and we look at our contribution to it all and come up with the opinion that this is likely our doing.

99 percent of the experts agree on this. Even if they’re wrong, I like the odds, especially considering what’s at stake.

Since when did clean air, clean water and carcinogen-free toys become some kind of liberal march against freedom? Think for a minute about who’s feeding you those lines.

Come on, guys we all have to live here. Park the Escalade at least. Life goes on, even without OnStar and 16 cupholders.

By Call it Like it is

July 18, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

GLOBAL WARMING = THE BIGGEST HOAX!

FACT: THE TEMP HAS BASICALLY REMAINED THE SAME FOR THE LAST 40-50 YEARS!

FACT: MAN CAN NOT CONTROL THE WEATHER!

GEE WIZ

By hillbilly ragger

July 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

Come on, wingnuts—you’re supposed to tell us that Al Gore is fat! and he didn’t take a rowboat across the ocean to pick up his Nobel prize! which proves he LIES!!

By Taxpayer

July 18, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry that I hurt your feelings, Mike. There, does that make you feel better now or are you just angry at Cox. We can work on those issues together. So, tell me — no, tell us — all about it. Don’t worry about hurting my feelings. Just bleat away. I’m sure it will do your heart good.

By the way, I sure hope that I didn’t infer anything that I did not clearly state. If I did though, you be sure to let me know. OK, Mike.

By Fred

July 18, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

“99 percent of the experts agree”

According to whom? Why have hundreds of scientists come out opposing it? I love how lying liberals make up stats when the they need create a need for THEIR solution. It’s all about control and money. Of course, no one wants to talk about the famous “Hockey Stick” that required “finessing” the statistics to create. Liars and the fools who enable them.

By Copyleft

July 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

As I said, if you’re not a climatologist, your opinions and “refutations” count for nothing.

Policy Institutes produce opinions, not facts. Climatologists are the only ones qalified to speak on this isssue at all.. and they have. Refutations from non-scientists who don’t understand the science or the data—mean NOTHING.

It’s not all about who shouts the loudest or who can drum up the most signatures on a petition… it’s about the SCIENCE. Which only climatologists can evaluate.

Put up a climatologist’s assessement, or accept that reality isn’t conforming to your wishes.

By GodHatesTrash

July 18, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

It’s moronic to think that humans don’t impact their environment. The 9000 square mile SMSA that includes the city of Atlanta is routinely 2-10 degrees warmer than the surrounding countryside, virtually every day, winter and summer.

Dogs are smart enough not to s-hit where they eat. Not so Republicans, I guess.

By Vienna

July 18, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Planet formation and mean temperature variations are part of the larger process of the radio-active space-time evolution of any solar system.

Earth cannot be audience to the solar wind without capitulating to electro-magnetic eddies and oscillations inherent in any charged gyroscope.

After the Fact, variations in mean global temperatures are observable, but no preditions or cause/effect conclusions can be drawn.

In other words, we could be in the throes of a new ice age, and not know it, we simply are too ignorant a species to realize the underlying principles involved as any galaxy ages.

We are leaderless. The juried blind leading the gullibly deaf and dumber.

By Copyleft

July 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

giving the 1 percent who don’t think so equal time on the matter like there are two equal and opposing views on it just seems foolish.

It’s no coincidence that this very same tactic is embraced by the nuts of the Intelligent Design movement. “So WHAT if it isn’t actual science? It’s our OPINION, dangit, and that should be all that matters! Equal time for crackpots! Attica! Attica!”

By Fred

July 18, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this

“President Bush acknowledges that global warming is real and that mankind is a significant contributor”

Wait a minute, I thought all you liberals told us that Bush is both an idiot and a liar? Now you trot him out as an authority on this? How convenient…

By Opus X

July 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

When this passes and the sky does not fall (or burst into flames, if you will) will the global warming crowd admit they were wrong? Because, I’m still waiting for Time magazine to admit its error for its 1978 cover story, that sourced a consensus within the scientific community, that we were headed for an ice age?

By Goldie

July 18, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Mike @ 8:54 — whine, whine, whine. It’s very unbecoming for a grown man. Or are you another 3rd grader like Andy-DUH?

By Peter

July 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

By Call it Like it is

July 18, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

GLOBAL WARMING = THE BIGGEST HOAX!

FACT: THE TEMP HAS BASICALLY REMAINED THE SAME FOR THE LAST 40-50 YEARS!

FACT: MAN CAN NOT CONTROL THE WEATHER!

GEE WIZ

He goof ball why don’t you cut down all the trees and see ………… Man has affected the change……

By Fix-It

July 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Gee, Copyleft, I believe you so look right here and you will see that over 10,000 climatologists DO NOT believe in global Al Gore scam… http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/provednoclimate_crisis.html

By Goldie

July 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Fred @ 9:10 — that’s just to point out to you that even your dumb-@ss hero is less ignorant than your 1% science-deniers.

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this

Where is the global warming????

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/files/080718%20oped%20bolt%20global%20cooling.pdf

By Truth

July 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

It this seems weak, but the freaking sun is hotter….

By Eric1

July 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Fred, you are some kind of stupid. Did you bother to even read what you wrote? Your brain tumor is growing at an alarming pace.

By Believer

July 18, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

I believe that:

1) You cannot go full circle without using the exact value of Pi.

2) Radiation heat transfer is our sole means of survival.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 18, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Mr FIX IT

Sources dude Sources….

Robert Ferguson is the President of the Science and Public Policy Institute, formerly the Frontiers of Freedom Center for Science and Public Policy[1], an organization that promotes the views of global warming skeptics. Greenpeace’s ExxonSecrets website states that “Ferguson set up the Center for Science and Public Policy in early 2003, after a $100,000 grant from ExxonMobil in 2002 - specifically tagged for the center. Exxon has continued to fund the Center each year since then, to the tune of at least $50,000 a year.” [1]

FOR THAT KINDA $$$$ I’D SAY SANTA WAS REAL

of course, there’s lots of money to be made in global warming denials

By SaveOurRepublic

July 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Al Gore’s Nobel Prize doesn’t legitimize his man-made/caused Global Warming rhetoric one iota! The Nobel Prize has largely become a mechanism for the Globalist Elite to “aware” those who assist in the propagation of their various agendas. Just have a look-see at some of the past laureates…Andrew Huxley (1963) - brother of chief eugenicist Julian Huxley & “Brave New World” author Aldous Huxley; UNICEF(1965)-ie - the Globalist Elite’s primary front organization the (crooked UN); Henry Kissingerr (1973) - Trilateral Commission & CFR mainstay; UN “Peacekeeping” Forces - *note the multiple sexual abuse history; Mikhail Gorbachev (1990) - Globalist Elite pawn; Nelson Mandela (1993) - avowed communist on who’s watch the Boer genocide took place; Yasser Arafat (1994) - terrorist; Kofi Annan (2004) - embroiled in multiple UN scandals (ie - oil for food); Jimmy Carter (2004) - PLO apologist & Trilateral Commission co-founder. The Nobel Prize is a joke!

By Fred

July 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Eric, maybe some day I will be as brilliant as you.

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 18, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Bob B

That old chestnut was debunked here

Keep Up!

By Theresa

July 18, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Planet formation and mean temperature variations are part of the larger process of the radio-active space-time evolution of any solar system.

Earth cannot be audience to the solar wind without capitulating to electro-magnetic eddies and oscillations inherent in any charged gyroscope.

After the Fact, variations in mean global temperatures are observable, but no preditions or cause/effect conclusions can be drawn.

In other words, we could be in the throes of a new ice age, and not know it, we simply are too ignorant a species to realize the underlying principles involved as any galaxy ages.

We are leaderless. The juried blind leading the gullibly deaf and dumber.

They’re discovering water on mars, and the moon. How did it get there. Solar system formation, that’s how. The Solar System, as it forms, is bombarded with ice and dust in the form of comets, asteroids, and all kinds of star sewage.

Carl Sagan used to say, “we are star stuff”. WRONG. We are earth poo. (especially you)

Earth excreted us. Literally. think about it. All energy comes from the sun, the earth digested that energy and took a fierce one. A human being appeared. (that had to hurt.) I know where the a-hole is! (I’m the Indiana Jones of geo-rectal science)

By AJC/DNC Management

July 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original): I’m alright, thanks for your concern, you too, TaxPayer.

I probably shouldn’t have gotten so dramatic, I was a little foggy, although in many ways it is worse than I made it sound.

Even though this life can be so unbelievably cruel, it can still leave you with more than what you have lost.

Never forget that the Father Loves each and every one of us, I have seen His Hand working in ways that I was foolish enough to doubt the He could or that I ever expected.

By JDavid

July 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

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July 18, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

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By hillbilly ragger

July 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

Hilarious 2003 quote from one of the Exxon-supported deniers, the “Science and public policy institute”, cited by one of our nutballs, here: ”We don’t lobby, we educate,” said Bob Ferguson, head of the center, who spent 24 years working as a Republican Congressional staff member. ”We try to be nonpolitical and nonpartisan and nonideological.”

By ron

July 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Since the polar icecaps were greatly extended only about 13,000 years ago,it’s kind of a moot point to debate global warming.Since they’ve melted it appears that global warming took place.We’re now debating mankind’s contribution to the cause,or at least that’s what we should be debating.We should be especially debating Al Gore’s contribution.He may be the cause of about a lot of it.

Since the experts are so divided on the subject,I guess I’ll wait awhile before I decide who/what’s at fault.

By Bob B

July 18, 2008 9:47 AM |