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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Phil Gramm, a close friend of John McCain and an influential voice in drafting McCain’s economic plan, said last week that our economic situation isn’t all that bad, dismissing public sentiment to the contrary by explaining that we have all become a nation of whiners.
The Schapiro Group, a Georgia polling and consulting company, just released a poll on perceptions of the economy here in metro Atlanta. Here’s what they found:
“Metro Atlanta residents hold a pessimistic view of the U.S. economy, with over half (58%) rating current economic conditions nationally as ‘poor’ and another 33% saying ‘fair.’ At the same time, only 33% say that the economy of the greater metro Atlanta area is ‘poor’, with 45% giving it a ‘fair’ rating.
How would you rate the economic conditions in the country today?
Excellent 1%
Good 8%
Fair 33%
Poor 58%
How would you rate the economic conditions in the greater metro Atlanta area today?
Excellent 1%
Good 20%
Fair 45%
Poor 33%
Those who say the economy is struggling have a clear view of who is to blame: ‘the government.’ More metro area residents blame ‘the government’ than oil and gas prices, the collapse of the housing market, the war in Iraq, and corporate greed combined.
Who or what do you think is most responsible for the state of the economy today?
Our government 43%
Oil and gas prices 13%
Collapse of the housing market 8%
War in Iraq 7%
Corporate greed 8%
Individuals making bad choices with their money 12%
Something else 7%”
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By getalife "whiners"
July 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Yup.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
July 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
I think the vast majority of the left and right believe things are in a mess. We just disagree on what to do about it. I’m sort of from the “A pox on all their houses” school.
By Midori
July 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this
Hillbilly Deluxe: didn’t you know the answers to ALL of our problems is DRILLING???
By PoFo's
July 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
The economy goes in cycles, like global warming/cooling.
It’s nobody’s fault. It’s the way of capitalism. This is a healthy correction that will in a generation have us well prepared for the globalization of the world’s economy.
It’s going to be tough. I’ve made so many concessions, that now my retirement plan is that I’m going to make my own beef jerky.
That’s it. Make my own beef jerly. High on the hog! THe life of Riley.
All the while Cheney’s parachute gets more and more golden……
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
This is ridiculous. Some of my childhood was spent with the old “kitchen water hand-pump” and the outhouse out back. I never knew what air conditioning was in a house until we put a window unit in the dining room when I was a senior in high school. I have traveled to 28 countries on five continents (courtesy of Uncle Sam). Our so called “poor” live better in the United States than 90%+ of the world’s population. We are a nation of whiners when it comes to economics.
And to my “blog buddies” who will respond …….. no I never walked six miles to school in the snow (I lived in the deep south).
By getalife "whiners"
July 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Line up at the bank and get your money out but don’t whine.
Government is out of business on solutions. Lobbyists rule Washington and broke it.
Move on and stop whining.
You get what you vote for.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Metro Atlanta residents hold a pessimistic view of the U.S. economy, with over half (58%) rating current economic conditions nationally as poor and another 33% saying fair. At the same time, only 33% say that the economy of the greater metro Atlanta area is poor, with 45% giving it a fair rating.
Day in and day out for the last 7 and half years thee Gloom and Doom/DNC has conducted a propaganda kkkampaign about the horrid state of the economy, that includes the years when everybody was raking it in, buying new cars, houses and electronics, so let’s all look and see what the same people polled during the good times:
Confidence in the economy plummeted nearly 20 points in June among Atlanta workers, * the area’s lowest reading since December 2005, *according to the Hudson Employment Index.-Thursday, July 5, 2007**
What do you know, they were whining then and they are whining now.
Hahahahahaha.
Who’d we poll, kookman, AJC/DNC subscribers?
By Bill
July 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
I noticed in the “whos to blame for the state of our economy” there was not a catagory for the main stream media who, through constantly saying somethig, eventually makes people start believing it. An example is “Obama will be a good president because he’s different”. Never mind his lack of experience and knowledge. Same with the economy. If mortgage lenders had not been virtually forced to start making bad loans to bad people in the name of political correctness we wouldn’t be in this mess today.
By James Winsblow
July 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
but you did walk uphill both ways? we should be better off than thos other poor countries, after having used up every nat’l reosurce and now stupenbush is asking to take more, we deserve to be living on ranches off of oil money, oh wait that’s reserved for a few precious in this country
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Let me try this paragraph one more time:
Confidence in the economy plummeted nearly 20 points in June among Atlanta workers, the areas lowest reading since December 2005, according to the Hudson Employment Index.-Thursday, July 5, 2007
By UberPudwit
July 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
The word “whine” has become the new “flip flop”. It’s an overused poorly written word that has been around forever, and is used in every single conservative manifesto ever written, and there have been millions of conservative manifesto’s.
I’ve got my woodchuck meat stretch out in the sun, so I can begin the process of drying it our to make my beef jerky, which is my new 401K plan, and the bulk of my retirement plans.
McCain 08: No fat chicks. If we’re gonna be poor because of conservatism’s weaknesses, then at least lets have babes around.
By John
July 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
While some of you smartypants criticize the so called whiners, I decided to check out the CIA factbook for some facts. Fact, the USA is now ranked 12th in per capita GDP. That’s right, 12th! The following countries ALL have higher average GDP per person than the USA: Liechtenstein Luxembourg Norway Qatar Iceland Ireland Denmark Switzerland Sweden Finland and the Netherlands.
So much for Americans having the highest incomes in the world anymore.
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
To James Winsblow :
I like your handle but be careful about using two different ones. Jay will hand you up.
I didn’t walk up hill to school both ways, especially in my Kindergarten year, as I was in a polio hospital.
However, you do make my point. We should be and are better off so we should quit whinning.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
This is in some ways the most revealing statement written by Obama. He still cannot bring himself to say that the mission in Iraq is success, even when success is clearly within our grasp. For Obama the mission is, and since his presidential announcement in February 2007 has been, to end the war, even if it means an American loss of epic proportions. And if Obama had had his way, that is exactly what would have come to pass.
And he’s still trying.
By John
July 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Oh, and I also meant to add that I’m a competitive patriotic American, and I don’t like the fact that America is now #12.
By Steve M
July 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
I see a few of us have not forgotten that lobbyists run everything in Washington. And, to be sure Obama would not be electable in the South for reasons perhaps addressed now for centuries, but still ignored by those basking in their cushy burbs and self-righteousness.
Take a look. We are a nation in decline where the lunatic greed, the blame game, self-absorption, a life of lies, objectified, dyfunctional, status-symbol children, and (most importantly) “I am not my brother’s keeper” rule.
I have worked in corporate environments where Enron-like henchmen are unmitigatedly entitled to steal and destroy thousands of grannies and children on the way. Lies are meticulously planned and demanded of employees to pose a front of value and solely to grab money. Do you ever stop to watch…and really see…how corporate sales people (some posing as corporate managers) are REQUIRED to behave?
The critics here of “whiners” (corrupt scrum that Gramm is has been well documented, and he retains no voice in my world), remain blind to the thievery in which corporations now revel. “Whine” my butt! We’re enraged, not whining. From Bush to Biloxi, we are a nation of thieves and criminals in the corporate environment and they are set on destroying government as well, as long as those of means can winter in Saint Thomas and summer in the Hamptons.
This trajectory will end the democracy as we have known it. “Whine!” Get a clue.
By Epic Hole
July 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this
This is in some ways the most revealing statement written by Obama. He still cannot bring himself to say that the mission in Iraq is success, even when success is clearly within our grasp. For Obama the mission is, and since his presidential announcement in February 2007 has been, to end the war, even if it means an American loss of epic proportions. And if Obama had had his way, that is exactly what would have come to pass
~~~~~~~ Epic loss? You’re mccain kneepad moment is over, you can go home
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
It’s not fair resorting to facts, John.
Especially from such a clearly anti-American publication as the CIA Factbook.
By UberPudwit
July 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Success in Iraq is NOT within our grasp. Success of the SURGE is clearly within our grasp.
But the surge’s mission is not the mission of US troops in Iraq. It’s a subset of that mission, moron.
The overall mission is still undecided and up to the whims of lunatic Islamists, and Shia renegades, and sunni insurgents and yes, even bathist die hards.
You’re a fool, duhng. You know nothing. You only lie, and laugh hysterically while you lie, like some rabid hyena. Well get this: Obama represents the changing of the guard. You represent the gnashing of teeth of the obsolete rejected conservative movement that has been crucified by it’s own evangelism.
Oh, dont reach for THAT one, andy, that’s WAY over your head.
what a p-hole, honestly.
By James Winsblow
July 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
I don’t make your point. No way. You’re point is a slogan on a mcdonalds napkin or a coffee cup. nicely contained but wrong. you can keep on believing if you want. and btw whining about whiners is whining, whiner.
By Abomi Nation
July 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Go home? No this epic whiner, just look at the user name, “AJC/DNC Management” thinks he is home. These blogs are pretty much his life. He whines all day long.
Hey whiner, any chance that John McCain will be seen in public with President Bush now that you have declared the Iraq war a success?
When is President Bush’s ticker-tape parade?
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
To John and “Jay”:
“Facts” as usual can be distorted. I know “someone” at the AJC who is very good at that especially when it comes to “gun use statistics”. But alas, I digress ………
I have been to all but three of those countries. Incomes may be higher but so are taxes. Our individual rights in this country makes their’s pale in comparison. Housing and others issues must also be considered. Bottom line - I wish I had the power to make every citizen in this country spend a year in a foreign country of their choice and one of my choice. This arguement would be over.
By the way …… all of this reminds me of the American Union Workers National Anthem :
“Everyone stand up and holler for the Union, let’s give the brotherhood a cheer.
Everyone stand up and holler for the Union, we ain’t hit a lick all year.” !
By getalife "whiners"
July 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this
Get on message Andy.
Not doom and gloom.
“Whiners”.
Try to keep up.
Got gold?
By Midori
July 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Abomi,
bush’s ticker tape parade
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
By Abomi Nation July 14, 2008 4:13 PM When is President Bushs ticker-tape parade?
Poli Fore: I’m thinking it will be towards the end of October, in between the Osama Has Been Laden capture ceremony and thee election of McBushie.
Why?
By UberPudwit
July 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Thank you, troll for running interference for me, but believe me it’s not necessary.
It’s an obama landslide. It’s guaranteed.
WHY? Because look around you. See the new America. We’ve changed right under our noses. The USA has nothing in common with the USA of March, 2003 when we allowed this child to lead us into Iraq.
By Abomi Nation
July 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Lol Midori!
Looks like the Secret Service had them remove all the “Bush=McCain” posters. Not one in sight. Wouldn’t want to rain on Bush’s parade.
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this
To James Winsblow:
Tsk, tsk …………..
You crack me up !
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
Dearest Abomi Nation:
Common sense allows you to remove any sign with sticks attached or blocking the view of posted agents out to handgun range. Content is not the issue unless it is a private, paid event and then the “host committee” (Democrat or Republican) gets to invoke local tresspass laws in order to have a quiet, peaceful event. I am sure you would want the same for your candidate …………
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
al-Gitmo: But what would thee whiners whine about with out thee Doom and Gloom making up sob stories for them?
It’s like one in the same.
Know what I mean?
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
You want to see the undisputed king of the whiners?
As MM says, grow a pair, Obama?
By Abomi Nation
July 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
LMAO RW!
A good portion of your life was dedicated to whining about political cartoons!
Obama has a looooong way to go to become the undisputed king of the whiners. He has 3 and a half years and 100,000 posts to go until he gets there. Until then you and AJC/DNC can fight over the crown.
By Bob
July 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
The “surge,” you fools, has only been a “success” to the degree that al Sadr has long held back, winking one eye, knowing he could have overcome it with ease. And can. And will in all likelihood. B-1 bombers, fighter-bombers, tanks, heavy artillery, the latest equipment of all types - against a relatively small group of largely unarmed “terrorists” who represent a populace which despises us. And you geeks still speak of victory. Democracy and Christianity. Riiight! You best look out your own windows and see the destruction wrought by Bush, McShame, et al.
By Brent
July 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
If you think 12th in GDP per capita is bad than you are ignorant! Look at the countries that are ahead of us. Except for Norway and Singapore, they are either an oil rich nation (qatar) or essentially retirement communities. If we would start producing our own energy (nuke, oil, wind, whatever) and keep our dollars at home we could easily move further up this list.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
Have you ever noticed that these polls always seem to show a rosier picture the more the polled can see the area they’re being asked about with their own eyes?
When you can see what’s going in the life of those around you the poll numbers show that people feel better about how things are going, but when you have had to rely on the media to tell you what it’s like elsewhere the poll numbers show that life is horrible.
No wonder there wasn’t a question about how much the media was to blame.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Abomi,
You’d be hard pressed to find very many posts by myself or AJC/DNC that whined about the scribbler’s cartoons. We rarely even mentioned them. About the only one that got talked about in any detail was POT TO KETTLE which later in the day got renamed ALICE or something like that.
That was pretty funny at 5:16 though.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Obama isn’t a Muslim, and his wife doesn’t carry an AK-47. But Obama’s long-time associations with anti-Americans like Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and Jeremiah Wright are not “rumors” or “misinformation.” Nor is it “crazy ignorance” to note that Obama’s candidacy was endorsed by Hamas (although Hamas later withdrew its endorsement when Obama tacked toward the center) or that his wife says America is “just downright mean.” Obama doesn’t want to deal with these very real issues, and prefers to respond to the straw man that he’s a Muslim. The New Yorker tried to help him in that effort, apparently, but I doubt that it did him any good. That image of a flag burning in the fireplace hits uncomfortably close to the mark.
PAUL adds: This is another illustration of how the liberal media’s blind hatred of, and desire to slander, conservatives can divert it from its quest to assist liberal candidates. It’s just about the only thing that can divert it from that quest.
i guess whining about the satirical magazine cover does get him out of having to deal with those real issues.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
Aahhh, yes, thee Repuglican National Committee has sent me my “final notice:”
Dear Mr. Management- If you have not already done so, it is critical that you accept your RNC membership today by rushing in your 2008 Sustaining Membership Dues of $100.
Dearest RNC: I unfortunately will not be able to “rush in” my $100 membership dues, or any other amount for that matter, at this time. It is not that I wouldn’t like to it just that I have taken thee family fortune and stuck in some offshore accounts where libs like you and Obambi are unable to get at it.
If, in thee future, you should decide to become Conservatives again, be sure to contact me with this request again, upon doing so.
Until that time and, considering that you have your heads stuck so far up Swimmer Kennedy’s as-s, why don’t you check and see what is in his wallet?
Regards, AJC/DNC.
(Hey, I just realized, me taking my capital out of the US economy so that I can shelter it from the dhimmokrats, is causing thee libs in Atlanta to whine.)
(Bonus points.)
By Bosch
July 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
It’s pretty sad when a presidential candidate has to say that one of his advisers doesn’t speak for him.
Phil Gramm is a disgrace.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
By Bosch July 14, 2008 5:48 PM Its pretty sad when a presidential candidate has to say that one of his advisers doesnt speak for him.
Bosch: Seeing how Obambi has said that exact same thing about twenty of his campaign advisers, spiritual advisers, grandmothers, fathers, terrorist friends from the hood, Hezbollah, his wife, himself, and just about everybody else in thee world, I’m not so dure you want to go down this road.
You follow me?
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
Polly,
How long before you start claiming you never read my posts?
Bosch,
Phil Gramm was right on both counts. Is that what makes him a disgrace?
By Bosch
July 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
RW,
Both counts of what? Or are you implying that the economy is in good shape?
By Dusty
July 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this
How sensible of McCain! He’s got advisors that don’t always agree with him but give their honest opinion. Good policy.
Too bad Obama doesn’t have someone to tell him to cut back on his power surge. Brandenberg Gate!! Football Stadiums!! Nowhere is good enough for the Mighty Obie to speak to his peasants.. He’s promised them cake and he wants them to show up. Maybe his wife will bring her AK47!! Oh no..that’s SATIRE!! Like Luckovich used to give us…so let’s all Smile.
By Rufus
July 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
Phil Gramm’s whining about whiners is the very reason conservatism is dead. There was nobody whining but Phil Gramm.
Word.
I’ve never seen liberals whine. I’ve only seen Conservatives whining about perceived whines from some unfounded claim about some unknown liberal who doesn’t even exist.
McCain 08: He’ll get 35%.
By @@
July 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Alright, I don’t get the point of this column Jay. It’s like you take us into the desert and then drive away.
I know a whiner or two. They’re not high on my list of friends. No matter how great things are going, they’ll find something to complain about. Again….
what’s the point?
By Bosch
July 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Is it a good idea for an economic adviser to dismiss the woes of the economy and call people whiners? Did you read about the banking crisis today? I wonder if Gramm did. Or is the banking situation just a natural blip and will correct itself. That’s what Gramm probably thinks - and to be honest, I don’t think the government should step in to help.
If Obama has the numbers in his audience to fill up a stadium, then why not? Sounds like you’re a little jealous.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
Hitler used to fill up thee stadiums.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
He said we weren’t in a recession and we aren’t. He said we’ve become a nation of whiners and we have.
It’s pretty simple really.
By Ralph
July 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
Bob, you got that right (5:20) The gross ignorance and childish stupidity in this country is overwhelming. And these goons want even more of it, even as the nation twists in its death throes. Says a lot about our education system.
By Bosch
July 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Link to this
RW,
It all depends on what the definition of “is” is. Right?
Later.
By @@
July 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
Experts say he may have just fueled his own fire with that comment.
Obama’s so-called Middle East problem began last month at a meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. He was trying to send a message that he is four-square behind Israel: “Jerusalem must remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided,” he said.
The Palestinians didn’t like that very much, and now, poised to meet with both Israelis and Palestinians, he is trying to backtrack, saying: “The truth is that this was an example where we had some poor phrasing in the speech. And we immediately tried to correct the interpretation that was given.”
This guy’s already screwed himself trying to be all things to all people. He’s like a high school student vying for class president or some such.
If he really believes in something he should stand firmly in support of it. I could at least muster a modicum of respect for him if he did.
He can’t keep blaming everything on poor phrasing.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC 3:58,
So you think that the American effort in Iraq is a success? Let me understand this in a little more detail.
It’s a success because we found WMD’s?
It’s a success because the Middle east is now a stable region?
It’s a success because the MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED?
It’s a success because we used Iraqi oil revenues to pay for the war?
It’s a success because we managed to marginalize Iran?
It’s a success because the price of oil has more than tripled?
It’s a success because it helped us get OBL?
Or is it a success because we did exactly what Israel and the Neocons wanted us to do?
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
N-GA: All of the above, except for the oil comment, I have no idea what us not drilling for our own supply has to do with the Iraq war.
And we got Has Been Laden in more ways than you will ever realize, being immersed in paranoid hysteria the way you are, we totally wiped out his whole organization and turned his fellow Sunnis against him.
Yeah, it’d be nice to parade his head around on a stake but then again, it would just give you liberals something else to……………….whine about.
Bwa.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Actually no it doesn’t. There is a textbook definition for a recession that we haven’t met so despite the cheering one on from the pages of Everytown “News”paper we aren’t in a recession.
The big problem now is that we haven’t had a major recession in nearly 30 years so nobody remembers what a real one is.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this
This administration either ignores its mistakes or admits them in the hope that the public is too stupid to understand. It is in that vein that AJC/DNC responds with his/her 7:00 post.
He admits that “Success in Iraq” is measured by “Failure”!
LMAO!!!!!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this
N-GA: Your taunts don’t carry very much weight considering that you libs look at Vietnam as a…………………success.
Bwa.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
@@,
Not everybody is happy with (or buying) Obambi whining about his “inartful wording.” i love this whining thread, you really can’t get off topic on this one.
As clarifications go, this ones a doozy. What could it possibly mean to want a coherent city that is the capital of two different countries, one of which has been teaching its entire population to hate the other and commit suicide bombings in its restaurants for 15 years now and all this without a proper border? I live in Jerusalem. The border between Israel and the Palestinians, wherever it may run, and no matter how long peace reigns, will never be like that between Massachusetts and Connecticut. It is unlikely ever even to be like the one between Arizona and Mexico. If there is ever a division of Jerusalem, there will be more than just barbed wire separating the two halves of the city. We are talking about different worlds entirely, and security arrangements will reflect this.
So either Obama understands all of this, and is not being honest with voters when he backtracks from the undivided position. Or he doesnt understand this, in which case he was better off not clarifying. It would be nice if an interviewer would push him hard on this point. We might learn something new.
By RealityKing
July 14, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this
Obviously.., just ask your grandparents.
By @@
July 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this
RW:
Obama’s gonna wish Jesse’s wish had been fulfilled when he sets out to straddle that barbed wire fence.
When was the last time you mentioned Obama was a dunce? (ISH)
Can’t say it often enough.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC (7:11),
Were you on mushrooms when you thought that little “factoid” up?
The only “success” related to Viet Nam was that by ending it, the senseless killing stopped.
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this
Dearest Abomi Nation:
Common sense allows you to remove any sign with sticks attached or blocking the view of posted agents out to handgun range. Content is not the issue unless it is a private, paid event and then the host committee (Democrat or Republican) gets to invoke local tresspass laws in order to have a quiet, peaceful event. I am sure you would want the same for your candidate
By RealityKing
July 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this
Or a complaint blog, if you really want to know who the whiners are..
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
N-GA: Negative, I was just basing my comments on the fact that you liberals wouldn’t know victory if you fell over it.
Besides, it is something you despise.
Stop trying to be something you aren’t.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC,
Let’s see now…WWII Victory with Roosevelt & Truman.
Korean stalemate with Eisenhower!
Viet Nam defeat with Nixon!
Need I continue with your education?
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this
And considering that two million Asians got wasted after we left Vietnam, what exactly does “the killing stopped” supposed to mean?
I thought you libs cared about the less fortunate?
Oh wait a minute, no I don’t, I know that you pompous, arrogant pinko elitists only care about…………..yourselves.
Bwa.
~~~~~
You know, I kinds like this kookman setup, quicker posts, longer hours, less moonbats than Wooten is inflicted with.
I heard he boots namejackers too.
I must just hang around, hehehehe.
By Bud Wiser
July 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this
And I thought an “epic whiner” was a very long movie about famous drinkers…..
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
By N-GA July 14, 2008 7:51 PM Viet Nam defeat with Nixon!
What’s with the pseudo history revision, even the dimmest among us knows that the democrat controlled Congress abandoned the South to the tender mercies of the communists.
Is this how you sleep at night, by lying to yourself?
No wonder you have such ridiculous ideas, you have no conscious.
Must be nice, huh, not having to worry about all the suffering you wrought?
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
Yep! There was one of those Disney turnstiles that counted each postwar victim as they made the transition.
Meanwhile your buddy, ex-Lt. William Calley is working in a jewelry store in Ft. Lauderdale, courtesy of a Gerald Ford pardon. Another “conservative’ HERO!
By Hillbilly Deluxe
July 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Link to this
I don’t think either side has a monopoly on whiners. It’s all a matter of whose ox is getting gored at a particular time.
To Midori @2:50 Sounds like my dentist talking.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Got to run…Brunswick stew is ready (with those controversial lime beans!), and a cold brewski!
By @@
July 14, 2008 8:09 PM | Link to this
It would be interesting to hear how many know someone who lived through The Great Depression. I’m certain my grandparents did, but if they talked about it, I wasn’t paying attention.
There’s a lady at my church who prepares Wednesday night suppers. She is, by far, one of the most respected members of our congregation. She lived through The Depression.
She can prepare a meal for forty for less than $50.00. It’s amazing! Not always delicious, BUT AMAZING. Every morsel that’s left is either saved for her dog or frozen for a casserole or soup.
I love to tease her dangling some leftovers above the trash, telling her it’s not enough to save.
“Don’t you dare” she’ll say. I remember I was helping her one afternoon slicing tomatoes from my garden…
she came over and said I was slicing them too thick.
“If you can’t read the newspaper through the tomatoe, you’re slicing them too thick.”
She’s one of the happiest, most positive, energetic people I know.
Luv ‘ya to bits Miss Joyce (JoySee) as I call her.
Depression? The sense of community we take for granted today might never have been instituted. Though this event had very dreadful effects on the stability of the country as a whole, it was not without benefits. So as we think of the Great Depression we should not think of just what the country lost, but also of what it gained, and like snow on our beds take what has been dealt and appreciate it.
Now I’m not saying we’re headed for a depression, heck we’re not even in a recession, but the fear alone is not something that should make people whiners.
Some people actually lived through it and came out all the better/stronger for having done so.
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this
that would be “lima” beans!
By Mike
July 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Link to this
“Who or what do you think is most responsible for the state of the economy today?”
Of course, there was no option for blaming the hyper-partisan media which willfully distorts any economic slowdown during a GOP administration.
Of course, the hyper-partisan liberal media then cites skewed polls that reinforce the meaningless panic they produce.
Folks like Bookman woul dmuch rather people think their financial future is in crisis than risk losing an election. That’s why he and the rest of the partisan liberals sell fear all the time.
That’s also why he works for the AJC, whose entire staff is dedicated solely to liberal activism, truth be damned.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this
It’s pretty easy to comprehend, when we bombed Pol Pot and his zombies, the ones who weren’t slaughtered hid in the jungle, and when we quit bombing them they roamed free among the Cambodian people butchering them at will.
25,000,000 people in Iraq no longer live in fear of being raped or fed into a wood chipper, they live like us now, and I happen to be very proud of that, proud of what our soldiers and their commander accomplished.
How many people would al Qaeda have killed within our borders if we hadn’t destroyed them?
I’m free of the psychosis that you struggle with.
By Hmmmmm
July 14, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
N-GA
Just goes to show how Idiotic YOU are! After we left Vietnam….. People were massacred! Just because of a few whiners and a few politicians that had NO BALLS! President Bush, who is NOT perfect, is a LEADER, and is not concerned about whats popular! He is doing the RIGHT THING, and as long as he is in office this country will do whats RIGHT!
By N-GA
July 14, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Hmmmmm-job,
Figures that some anonymous POS would try to slide one in at the end. You make statements that you cannot back-up with facts. And calling Bush a LEADER? You mean LOSER, right?
By Taxpayer
July 14, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Mr. Bookman,
I just got to know somethin’ and I figure you are in a spot to enlighten me. So, please tell me what’s it like to work for a newspaper that, based on some of the posts here, is nothing short of omnipotent. I mean to say, y’all have the power — the power to push liberal activism over the truth, power to instill panic throughout the nation. A power that simply stifles the all mighty FOX News. “Eat your heart out Hannity” power. What’s it like. And, by the way, y’all got any job openings. I’d like to experience that power. How’s the pay, anyway.
By AJC Personnel Dept.
July 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
By Taxpayer,
Judging by your grammer, spelling and creative ability, I’d say we could pay you minimum wage.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
@@,
I read a comment from somebody somewhere today that said they were driving somewhere this weekend and the car in front of them was a whiner with two bumper stickers. One said Obama 08 and the other said I break for frogs.
Have I mentioned there’s a reason Obambi can fool these people even though he’s a dunce?
By Taxpayer
July 14, 2008 8:39 PM | Link to this
Why thank you, Personnel Dept. That’s good to know because it’s more than FOX News was offering and they said that I would be in their top pay scale.
By Taxpayer
July 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this
I break for frogs — frog legs more precisely. I’ll break for lunch or dinner. They taste like chicken you know.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
To Mike:
On some issues, the American public lacks the firsthand knowledge needed to reach an independent judgment. Does Saddam have a nuclear weapons program, and is he an ally of al Qaida? On issues like that, it’s easy to fool people, because they have no way of knowing what’s really going on.
But economic issues are different. People have firsthand knowledge and experience about what’s happening. If the media present a picture that doesn’t match up with what people know to be happening, they won’t believe the media, simple as that.
The same is true for politicians and bloggers, by the way. So go ahead, tell people it’s all in their heads , that this is just a “mental recession.” On that issue, people can compare what is being said to what they see firsthand, and they can reach an informed conclusion.
They’ll look at the fact that the Dow has fallen 3,000 points since October, that we’ve had the largest bank failure in more than 20 years, that their brother-in-law was laid off and their son just out of college can’t find a job, that foreigners are buying up Anheuser Busch and the Chrsyler Building in New York, and they’ll conclude that you are living in a fantasy world.
By art
July 14, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this
Democraps occupy the Left Wing. Retardicans occupy the Right Wing. The Head of the bird is occupied by the real thinkers and doers of the Libertarian Party.
By @@
July 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this
RW:
Since you mentioned frogs, I’ve gotta share a story of my own.
Just today I was behind a car with liberal bumper stickers all over the back. One said “Recycle Yourself” referring to what I assume was the new “Green Burial” that’s all the rage. Anyway, it got me to thinking….
Semper went out on the porch the other night and accidentally stepped on a frog, squashing it. He came in feeling kinda bad about it. I thought awwwwww, that’s so sweet. The next day I go out and the frog is lying on the brick walk in front of the porch. It’s covered with ants. I asked him why he left it laying there.
“As bait” he said. Once the ants get all over it I’m gonna blast them with ant killer.
So much for the “Awwwww, that’s so sweet.”
Recycle a frog.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this
kookman: Explain then why the AJC was reporting the same Gloom and Doom when brother in law was employed and their son was a software programmer knocking down 250 K a year.
It’s called exacerbate, you should look it up.
By GodHatesTrash
July 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this
RW hates frogs - but s/he loooooves hamsters!
By HeySoose
July 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
All we’ve heard from the left, from day 1 of Bush, is “the economoy is terrible”. We’ve been brainwashed by the media into this recession. Gas is $4 a gallon? So what? Look at what they pay in Europe for gas. Quit whining.
All we’ve heard the past 8 years from this liberal rag is how bad things are, day in, day out. This is nothing but a self-fulfilling prophesy. Keep pumping the crap day in day out, and one day, they’re bound to believe it.
Jay, you’re a good writer, so why not quit the whining, and write about something good happening in this world. Are you SO miserable that you want to bring us all down with you?
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this
JAY,
How do you explain that when a poll is isolated to your local area more people think things are good than if you ask them how the rest of the country is doing? It isn’t just your Atlanta example that shows that trend and it’s wildly disparate when you ask them how they are doing vs how they perceive the rest of the country’s well being.
I would say it’s just like your Iraq example to Mike in that they see first hand what’s happening in their area, but they rely on those in your profession to tell them how things are elsewhere. They never will know whether you’re being honest to them or not since you can always point to one big item and fool them into thinking it’s destroying the lives of everybody far enough away for them not to know.
Plus we’re a nation of whiners so if they call somebody in another area they’re going to whine about things.
It’s a great time to put some big time cash in mutual funds by the way. At least if government doesn’t decide to “fix” this.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
Check it out: The “largest bank failure in history” is the direct result result in government intervention into the capitalist financial system.
Freddie and Fannie gave loans to people that did not qualify for private loans. The government said that these people DESERVED the loans that the banks would otherwise have not made available to them.
So now that these loans have failed, who was right, the capitalists or the government?
And what exactly do you think Obama has on his mind?
Making things available to those who do not deserve them?
Social “Security” is a failure, Medicare is a failure, name any government program that hasn’t increased the deficit and has satisfied it’s recipients.
You can’t.
1) Why are we getting blamed for this?
2) What ever happened to the quaint notion of people working to acquire the things that they wanted?
It’s like duh.
And it is insane.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
To RW:
I think the numbers in that poll probably reflect an accurate understanding of what’s going on. The economy in metro Atlanta probably IS a little stronger than it is nationwide. But even here, 78 percent think the metro economy is fair to poor, and that’s based far more on firsthand experience and knowledge than what the media tells them.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 9:13 PM | Link to this
Pardon me :-)
Check it out: The largest bank failure in history is the direct result of government intervention into the capitalist financial system.
Geez.
I guess I should proof read.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
You have to admire a liberal though, they ruin the economy with energy prices when they won’t let us drill or go nuclear and they run the deficit into the stratosphere with their government give away programs and then, after surveying the disaster they have wrought, they whine and moan about the Republicans.
Classic.
And we cower in fear.
Geez.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this
To “Management”:
“The largest bank failure in more than 20 years,” not in history, was Indybank. Indybank was a private mortgage bank. Bear Stearns was also a private investment firm.
So try again. The only government involvement in Indybank is to guarantee deposits of up $100,000 for its customers. But maybe you think that’s wrong too?
And if you don’t, why not? Shouldn’t we let loose the wolves of capitalism upon the people?
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this
JAY,
I disagree (I bet that doesn’t surprise you) because “the Atlanta area” is too big an area for most folks in it to have first hand knowledge. There was a set of polling data recently that asked people how they were doing and roughly 90% said good or very good. Those same people thought the rest of the country was doing fair to bad by about 80%. Granted that was when gas prices were nearing three bucks and the shock of four might change them somewhat. Surely it wouldn’t bridge numbers that vastly different.
How many “struggling” folks do you think had more than 100K or whatever the FDIC number is these days deposited in the bank that Schumer caused the run on?
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
RW:
YOU were the one who cited the metro figures as more accurate. Now you choose to back off that claim?
Fine. But it was your claim to begin with.
But I do appreciate the tone of your rebuttal.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 14, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this
You’re blaming Schumer? He didn’t make nair loan! This country is in a big mees because of the inept moron George W. Hitler!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
Jay, sorry for the long post but:
WASHINGTON, Sept. 5 Democrats in Congress are planning to introduce bills in the coming days that would prohibit a range of practices used to market subprime loans to people with weak credit histories or low incomes.
Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, said on Wednesday that he would introduce a bill that would prohibit mortgage brokers from steering people into subprime loans if they qualify for cheaper conventional mortgages.
The bill would also ban hidden brokerage fees that are rolled into higher interest rates and prepayment penalties that make it difficult for people to refinance.
Similar prohibitions are in a draft bill being circulated in the House by Representative Barney Frank, chairman of the Financial Services Committee. Mr. Frank is studying ways to hold investment funds that buy subprime loans liable for any practices that violate new rules against predatory lending.
Mortgage industry executives contend that some disputed practices, like prepayment penalties, offer crucial assurances to investors and help widen the pool of money available to low-income borrowers.
There’s your mortgage loan crisis.
I don’t have time to fully research it but you and I both know that the democrats in Congress specifically told the lenders to make more products available to those who didn’t otherwise qualify.
And no, I do not think we should let the sharks loose, but I do expect that some things be made available only to those who work for them, especially when the result of their failures directly affects that those do expend the effort.
We are all getting “hammered” now on behalf of government give aways and interventions, you cannot deny that.
But you can take advantage of it, obviously.
By Dusty
July 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this
Well, I just dropped by to say that I am so pleased.
Bookman said he would remove ID thieves from the blog and HE DID. My ID thief of this afternoon is out of the picture.
I really like it when somebody does what they said they would do. Thank you, Mr. Bookman. (Wait ‘til I tell Wooten about this!! Yes!)
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
Umm, Management?
You have documented a Democratic attempt to STOP the subprime mess. You’re blaming the mortgage crisis on people who tried to prevent it?
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this
JAY,
It’s very clear that I said the smaller the area the more disparate the numbers are. Now if you’re truly interested in debating this issue please try to keep up with the flow of the debate. I won’t misrepresent your words and it would be nice if you didn’t misrepresent mine.
My position begins at 5:27 and only becomes more clear. It’s also possible that you could find a very small area that says they think they are doing worse than their perception of a larger area. Why do you suppose that never happens?
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this
Fair enough, RW. I’m checking out for a while. This home-run derby with Josh Hamilton is pretty damn amazing…..
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 9:50 PM | Link to this
Jay: Look, I know you are a socialist but I expected that you have at least studied some capitalist theory.
Mortgage industry executives contend that some disputed practices, like prepayment penalties, offer crucial assurances to investors and help widen the pool of money available to low-income borrowers.
A higher loan rate discourages those that do not qualify, it is a way that is used to weed out the possibility of future failure.
The democrats outlawed the practice.
Need I go on?
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
You misunderstand your own evidence, management.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this
JAY,
After Josh made that 70 year old guy pitch to him for 28 home runs do you think he should skip round 2 and go straight to the finals? That was incredible.
By Mike
July 14, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this
“Theyll look at the fact that the Dow has fallen 3,000 points since October, that weve had the largest bank failure in more than 20 years, that their brother-in-law was laid off and their son just out of college cant find a job, that foreigners are buying up Anheuser Busch and the Chrysler Building in New York, and theyll conclude that you are living in a fantasy world.”
Please. You know and I know that the current economic turndown is mild in the context of American history. You just dont want people to believe that until after the election and if Obama wins. No one is denying that there are not problems in the economy. What we are complaining about is how the liberal media (meaning the AJC) distorts economic news to suit their partisan needs. You folks want to treat this mild recession as the next depression. It isnt even officially a recession yet, although it feels like one. (Sounds like a mental recession to me.)
For example: you use the stock market drop as evidence of economic disaster, yet you ignored the steady and steady gains of the stock market over the past few years. Probably because it didnt fit your simplistic Bush bad so all is bad rhetoric.
Another intellectually dishonest technique you employ is to talk about the “brother in law” getting laid off. The unemployment rate is low and steady. Has been for years. Yet you want to portray any layoff as the result of a bad economy. How many of the layoffs at the AJC are due to the general economy and how many are due to structural changes in the newspaper market? Do no brothers in law get laid off in any other times besides recessions?
(For the record, I got laid off in January. Had nothing to do with the economy. My company acquired several other companies and they were eliminating redundant positions and eliminating vertical markets. About 300 out of 1000 got laid off. Had nothing to do with the economy. I have no bitterness, as I know first hand that our the mobility of our labor force is what allows to liberals to complain think that 5.5% unemployment is a crisis when France has seen 10% unemployment for a decade. I wouldnt expect you to understand as you havent really ever had more than a dilettantes experience with the real business world.)
Yet another dishonest tactic is to move the goalposts for people you dont like. You groan about the brother in law getting laid off when the unemployment rate is 5.5%, yet you werent claiming the sky was falling under Clinton, whose average unemployment rate was 5.4%. You see how it works? Under a Republican 5.5% unemployment is recession. Under a Democrat 5.4% unemployment is prosperity.
Another bit of dishonesty is ascribing unrelated phenomena to the “horrible” economy. Like the Chrysler building being bought. Liberal alarmists used the same scare tactics when Reagan was in office regarding the Japanese acquisition of American assets. This too was mislabeled as a consequence of the bad economy. In retrospect, it had little to do with domestic economic conditions and it certainly was no harbinger of doom. You folks have been praying for Americas demise for decades but you cant seem to get that depression you are dreaming of.
The AJC’s selective and dishonest reporting on the economy is similar to its selective and dishonest reporting on Iraq. Your “news” team and your pundits gleefully exaggerate any bad news and utterly refuse to report any good news. You are guilty of economic scare mongering. Nothing new about that.
Anyone who knows anything about American economic history and hears your gloom and doom hyperbole knows that you are living in a fantasy world.
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 10:07 PM | Link to this
To RW:
If you are new on this “statistics” thing with JAY let me warn you. He’s pretty slick ………. and good a picking and choosing.
Here’s an example:
JAY Article in the AJC: “50,000 homicides by guns in the U.S. in “such and such” year but only 150 were “justifiable” homicides by armed civilians. Therefore, guns in the hands of armed civilians are “not justified”. Make sense?
However, he conveniently leaves out:
1) The probably THOUSANDS of “justifiable woundings” of a perpetrator by an armed civilian successfully protecting himself or his family.
2) The probably tens of thousands of incidents were a gun was merely pointed at a perpetrator thus averting a crime.
3) The probably tens of thousands of times where a perpetrator “knew” the proposed victim had a gun and decided to get his a** out of there.
4) The prbably hundreds of thousands of times the perpetrator “thought” the intended victim had a gun and therefore went without drug money that night.
5) Etc., etc., etc.
It’s kind of like how many times has the Secret Service prevented an assassination? WE DON’T KNOW ! But take them away (or guns away from armed law abiding civilians) and see what happens ………………
Semper Fi !
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this
Jay: If Adjustable Rate Mortgages were such a “dubious loan practice” designed to make money for the lending institutions, why is it that all the lending institutions have failed?
Some scam that was, eh?
Sounds like there might just be some government intervention involved to me.
Just like I showed you.
By RW-(the original)
July 14, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this
James Winslo,
I’ve enjoyed your posts and appreciate the heads up, but rest assured this isn’t my first rodeo.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 14, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this
By the way, how come your name isn’t in blue like Wooten’s always was?
G’nite.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Link to this
OK Mike:
You cite as your first example the stock market, complaining that I ignore the years in which it rose. Let’s take a look at that, shall we?
When Bush took office the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 10,655. It closed today at 11,055. So over a 7-year period it has risen by 400 points.
In the eight years of the Clinton presidency, it rose from 3,310 to the aforementioned 10655, an increase of 7,345 points.
Game, set, match, and good night.
By Mike
July 14, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
“By JAY BOOKMAN “But even here, 78 percent think the metro economy is fair to poor, and thats based far more on firsthand experience and knowledge than what the media tells them.”
How do you know that?
A NYT/CBS poll from April shows:
“Americans report being deeply worried about the country even though many say their own personal finances are still in fairly good shape.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/us/03cnd-poll.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
How do you explain this? This flies in the face of your conention that people’s view of the economy is shaped by their own experiences.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this
To James:
That’s because I compared dead bodies to dead bodies. Apples to apples. I compared the number of dead homicide victims to the number of dead crooks, because dead people are easy to count.
It’s cold, hard data.
And in rebuttal you offer a string of “probablys”.
By Taxpayer
July 14, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this
I appreciate your efforts, Mr. Bookman. Keep up the good work. After all, some people clearly are in need of things to whine about and it sure looks like those “some people” are, statistically speaking, leaning toward the right.
By Mike
July 14, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
By JAY BOOKMAN
“Game, set, match, and good night.”
Yawn. Clinton didn’t face 9/11, two wars, Katrina, the accounting scandal and teh dot com bubble that happened under Clinton’s watch. But as anyone with any intellectual honesty or education will tell you, Presidents are not responsible for the stock market. (Your partisan silliness turned this into a Clinton-Bush thing. I couldn’t care less. I voted for Clinton.)
But in your rush to make your embarrasingly dorky and smug response, you missed my point.
As you demonstrated yet again, you can cherry pick any two dates of stock performance to make your case. From July of 06 to October of 07, the stock market climbed 4,000 points. Does that mean the economy was great then? You sure didn’t say so.
Care to address any of my other points? I’d enjoy making you look like a fool again.
By Midori
July 14, 2008 10:37 PM | Link to this
lol — Taxpayer: will poor Mike recover?
By Mike
July 14, 2008 10:40 PM | Link to this
“By Midori
Taxpayer: will poor Mike recover?”
Please. I threw all of Bookma’s nonsense back in his face and crush his one reply.
I’d be happy to do the same to you if you were capable of any comments beyond name calling and silly bumper sticker slogans.
Got a point to make?
By @@
July 14, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this
Midori never has any points to make…..just friends and she has to create those so she’ll have somebody to talk to here.
Cartoons……she’s got lots of cartoons she can share.
JAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE SAY HELLO TO MIDORI. IT WOULD MEAN SO MUCH TO HER!!!!!!!!
We’ll see if it works this time Midori. Never let it be said that I didn’t try to do you a favor.
By Taxpayer
July 14, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this
I don’t know, Midori. After all, “recover” is such a broad reference.
By Mike
July 14, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this
Looks like Midori can’ recover and Jay’s has declared unilateral victory, despite havign his arguments exposed as the liberal tripe they are.
I’ll leave you with one of my favorite quotes:
“President Bush and others are proposing to escalate our effort in Iraq…It is a futile gesture, a vain attempt to salvage what is already lost…”
Jay Bookman - January, 2007
Let’s all listen to Jay. I mean he’s nver wrong! (At least he never admits it.)
By mirandarocks
July 14, 2008 10:57 PM | Link to this
Phil Gramm is right.
By Huac
July 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this
Jay, the reason the Dow went from 3,310 to 10,655, an increase of 7,345 points, in the Clinton presidency was largely due to the Reagan tax cuts. Before Reagan, corporations had a 60% to 90% tax rate. Col. Parker once told Elvis, “Son, my goal is to keep you in the 90% tax bracket”. Reagan changed that, leaving Clinton, and rest of the country, to enjoy the results. That’s simple supply-side economics, not to be used as AJC writer’s sophistry.
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this
To “JAY”:
And your failure to list additional clarifying information/statistics (if you write the article it’s your obligation as a professional to do so) is disengenuous at best and at worst an outright falsification in an effort to enhance your viewpoint.
Your point has been that guns are not an effective nationwide detterent to crime yet you stop at “just the dead bodies”. You fail to include “the bodies that would have been” if not for armed civilians!
What’s worse you don’t break out the facts involving the various shootings. In other words, how many of the 50,000 homicides were two perps shooting it out as opposed to law abiding citizen vs. perp. That makes a big difference on how those statistics are to be interpreted.
Again, it’s the same as saying the Secret Service has only prevented four assassinations since Kennedy so the expense is not worth it - while failing to recognize without them it would be a “President a week” !
Dead bodies to dead bodies is not an accurate portrayal of the issue. You must include woundings to woundings and the untold number of crimes prevented by the mere presence or even suspected presence of a firearm.
You owe your readers better than that …………..
By James Winslo
July 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this
By the way - To Whom it May Concern:
Most Respected Vocations:
Doctor/Nurse
Teacher Firefighter Ambulance driver Soldier Scientist Police officer
Least Respected Vocations:
Politician Lawyer Real estate agent Journalist Advertising executive Car dealer Company director Accountant
By GodHatesTrash
July 14, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this
Yes, Jay, I must have saw over two hundred people today, and not a single one of them dared to shoot at me because I was armed!
Oh, wait a minute - I wasn’t armed. Never mind.
James Winblowhard, please take my 200 prevented assaults off your list.
By James Winslo
July 15, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this
To GodHatesTrash:
I choose pistols at 30 paces. On second thought, to be fair to you, I choose pillows at five feet.
P.S. Fortunately, you don’t need to be armed. As a matter of fact YOU are just the type that shouldn’t be. However, since so many of us are, those perps out there are just a little more wary and even though you look like an easy prey - they just might think twice.
If you are reading this “thank a gun owner” ………… :o)
Sweet dreams ………
By Hillbilly Deluxe
July 15, 2008 12:27 AM | Link to this
To @@ @ 8:09 Alot can be learned from those who lived through the Great Depression. My parents were children during this time. I spent a great deal of time as a kid listening to and learning from the older folks. While the other kids were out playing I was sitting at their knee and listening. They ALL had a fear that eventually hard times would come again. We’ve been fortunate that it hasn’t been that bad since. I don’t remember any stories of good times back then. I remember stories of houses where it snowed in through the roof, kids as young as 6 working on the farm, etc from daylight til dark. I remember them talking about “the Hobos” who would come to their house. Men who just walked the roads looking for something to eat. They always fed these people and never saw them again. I remember my Grandparents, who almost lost their farm but through hardwork, sacrifice, and some good fortune were able to hang on to it, teaching me to pay cash and never go into debt. If you can’t pay cash do without they said. They were also very proud of the fact that through it all they never went on “relief” as it was called then. I know of children who died because the family couldn’t afford to take them to the doctor. I’ve heard my Daddy say many times that “if you’ve ever been to bed hungry you’ll never forget it”.
So to all you young people out there, take the time to talk to your parents, grandparents, whoever is still with you. You can learn things from them that no book can teach you. Once they are gone it’s too late to ask and you’ll think of a million things you will wish you had asked.
I’ve heard it said that Alex Haley said, “When an old person dies it’s like a library burning down”.
Those who don’t know the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Most everybody has someone around them who could teach them many of life’s lesson. Take the time to seek them out and listen to them.
By GodHatesTrash
July 15, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this
You should take your pillow and hang with RW and Duh, James Windbowhard - they like to bite their pillows.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 15, 2008 6:43 AM | Link to this
No, this isn’t whining:
Gas prices siphon off stores’ profit- Spike puts dent in what customers have left for snacks, impulse buys, while rising credit-card fees hit station owners.-Thee Doom and Gloom/DNC
Why, the horror!
On the front page, no less.
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WORLD IN BRIEF: Plotters: No killing intended- In a case that changed the face of air travel, three men charged with a plot to kill trans-Atlantic airline passengers in 2006 with bombs in soda bottles admitted Monday in a London court that they intended to cause explosions. But they insisted they wanted to stage an elaborate publicity stunt to promote a film, rather than commit mass murder.-Urinal/PMS
Remember the video of the plane being blown up with the same type of explosives?
So why is the AJC/DNC reporting this with a straight face?
Downplaying your security for their political gain, maybe?
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) derided “the oilman in the White House” and said the plan would not address the immediate spike in energy prices.
“The Bush plan is a hoax,” Pelosi said in a statement. “It will neither reduce gas prices nor increase energy independence.”-Urinal/PMS
Never mind that this dimwit has had two years in Congress in which to lower energy prices, a goony 2006 campaign slogan, and during this period the cost of gasoline has doubled.
But look at the basic premise that “drilling will not increase energy independence.”
Do the libs even know what they are talking about?
Are they presenting idiotic arguments on purpose?
Got bicycle?
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Here’s a nice preview of what the United States would look like under thee glorious rule of thee dhimmokrats:
Franklin faces angry residents-Instead, it was overshadowed by a verbal confrontation between Mayor Shirley Franklin and about a dozen demonstrators who did not want Fire Station 7 closed.
“This is wrong!” the protesters chanted, prompting the mayor to stop her remarks.
Franklin announced Friday that she was closing the fire station as part of a plan to plug a $14.6 million budget gap. The mayor also laid off 78 city workers and left vacant 112 positions, including 53 for sworn police officers.-AJC/DNC
The dhimmokrats do not see government as a service provided to We The People, they see it as a path to their beloved power.
You will never see them cut bureaucratic waste, only essential services.
Like the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines for instance.
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The cover’s artist, *The New Yorker’s Barry Blitt, adds that he was simply illustrating how “preposterous” it is to think of the Obamas as unpatriotic and wanted to capture the “fear-mongering ridiculousness that it is.”*
I thought he did a great job with the cover.
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Jonesboro soldier dies in combat- Young enrolled at North Georgia College, where he quickly adapted to the military way of life. Within eight years of enlisting, he was a Green Beret and Jane Young had changed her mind about her son’s chosen career.
“I was so proud, mainly because he loved so much of what he did,” she said.-AJC
By Taxpayer
July 15, 2008 6:49 AM | Link to this
Andy. Isn’t that what others here call you. You’re whining. Claiming otherwise does not make it so.
By William L. Fell
July 15, 2008 6:57 AM | Link to this
Makes me satisfied to know that I don’t have to deal with all the juveniles in this blog. It’s nice to be bright and watch all the posters, who don’t have anything worthwhile to do, scrap over inane subjects.
By herb
July 15, 2008 7:02 AM | Link to this
Gramm’s comments validate why many (if not most) think of congress & senate, on both sides, as the elitists. It’s because of listening to lobbyists, failed policies and legislation (as previously introduced by Gramm) that we have the mess we have. Gramm is just another turd in the punchbowl.
By bobfromCanton
July 15, 2008 7:26 AM | Link to this
We are #12 in the world because we let anyone anytime into our country and refuse to throw them out! Then we re-distribute money from the doers to the donots. Besides none of the top 11 countries has enough population to matter anyway!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 15, 2008 7:53 AM | Link to this
By Taxpayer July 15, 2008 6:49 AM Andy. Isnt that what others here call you. Youre whining. Claiming otherwise does not make it so.
Pointing out the hypocrisy, lies and goony propaganda of the left wing sycophant AJC/DNC is not “whining.”
It is called “exposing the truth.”
Anyone on this blog can dispute what I said or prove me wrong but 99% of the time, you hacks at the Urinal/ Doom and Gloom blogs choose to whine about me.
It’s a big difference, too bad you are too stunted to see it.
By Taxpayer
July 15, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this
Andy,
More whining still does not change the fact — you whine.
By Copyleft
July 15, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
Nice work nailing the clueless right-wing drones with hard data, Jay. Their blindness leads them into such traps because they assume “No liberal can POSSIBLY have any grasp of facts”…
and then you completely destroy their arguments with their own examples! Very nicely done indeed. Keep up the good work! There’s still a few diehard Bush-backers contaminating Georgia, and we need to stamp every one of them out with the TRUTH.
By SaveOurRepublic
July 15, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this
Anyone who truly believes the economy is doing well has been buying into the Neocon propaganda from “Faux” News and their mouthpieces like “Pawn Vanity” (& no…I’m not a “liebral”). For you yuppies who have a large portfolio, big house, BMW, etc…you are not part of the Elite! The stock market is mostly smoke & mirrors (based on fiat currency, doled out by the Central Banks). The middle class is under siege by design…the conveniently falling dollar (to implement the “Amero” in conjunction with the North American Union/SPP), suppressed oil supply (to drive up OPEC & Big Oil profits & make the middle class more pliable), the private Fed & their collection agency the (unConstitutional) IRS…it’s all part of the agenda folks!
Don’t count on Globalist puppet like “Juan McAmnasty” & “Bacrock Obuma” to do anything more than serve their Internationalist ma$ters (like “Skull&Bones” Bush has done). I strongly recommend all Americans study the roots/history & agenda of the Globalist Elite to gain a better understanding of what’s happening. Start with the following books…
*-Also, the following documentaries (via YouTube or Google Video) - America - Freedom to Fascism - The Money Ma$ters - EndGame - Blueprint for Enslavement
By AJC/DNC Management
July 15, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
First, what is most striking in watching the “Obama lies” image take off is the left’s inability to learn from their own history of the last several decades. This is not the first time they have launched a Tupolev. Carried away with a zealous lust to “get” this or that opponent, they consistently launched torpedoes that sooner or later honed in on their own leaders.
Second. The lethal nature of all this to Obama’s credibility ironically poses the real twist in this story. Because it isn’t just his credibility that’s at stake. A refusal to distance themselves from Obama as he mysteriously becomes a FISA supporter or a NAFTA cheerleader or when, as he did just the other day, disavows MoveOn.org and says he is “refining” his anti-Iraq war policy leaves his allies who brought him to this presidential nominating dance with a serious credibility problem of their own. Do all these Obama mistakes, refining of positions, and outright changes mean all these Obama-boosters got him wrong? Did they trust a guy who turns out to be not the restorer of Camelot but just another lying Chicago pol? Did they tell the rest of us something that wasn’t true? In other words, to put it in the blunt terms they like to use, did Barack Obama lie to them? Or did they lie to the rest of us? And are they continuing to do so?
Do tell us, moonbats, are you enjoying the prize behind door number 3?
By Taxpayer
July 15, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
Phil Gramm called us a bunch of whiners. Mr. Bookman reiterated his remarks and built off of it. No lies, no hypocrisy, and no left wing propaganda. Just the truth followed up with facts — just add water and cook, no added whining required.
By Riffing w/RiffRaff
July 15, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
Bookman loves to feed the trolls, which is one of the two classic blunders in blogging. The first of which is “never get involved in the rancor of lazies”. The second, only slightly less well-known is “never go up against a sillier man when mirth is on the line”.
Inconceivable.
By Taxpayer
July 15, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
So, Bookman not only feeds the trolls but loves doing it. I think you should love what you do. Indeed. I think Tealc made that word popular amongst some of us. I like that word, indeed. It goes well with whatever but that’s so 70s isn’t it.
By WFC
July 15, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
The “surge” will succeed as long as we have 150,000 troops in Iraq and spend $3 billion per week. As soon as we stop this… 2009, 2019, 2029 or whenever… Iraq will degenerate into the tribal conflict it has known for 1500 years… based on stupid ideas concerning the “big invisible guy in the sky.” Believing otherwise is retarded!
By James Winslo
July 15, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
To GodHatesTrash:
You crack me up !
To WFC:
I am afraid you are exactly right. Whenever we do leave - it’s over. This is not a political war but a religious one. Once we left Vietnam for example, they couldn’t care less. They left us alone. These people won’t. We’ve got to get smarter on how we deal with them. They only understand force but it can be “done from afar”.
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Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet…………………..
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