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DEL.ICIO.USOh look, is that an exit sign?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The elected leader of Iraq, Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, is demanding a timetable for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops from his country.
In the holy city of Najaf, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the religious leader of Iraq’s Shiia majority, signaled to his followers this week that it was time to negotiate an end to the “illegal” U.S. occupation.
“We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn’t have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq,” Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said after meeting with Sistani.
Such statements ought to be embraced as good news. They suggest an Iraqi government increasingly confident in its authority and ability, ready to stand up so we Americans can stand down. They represent a flashing neon sign, written in English, reading “This way to the exit.”
But the Bush administration refuses to read the lighting on the wall. It doesn’t want to leave Iraq. Not now, not tomorrow, and not ever. And its response to the Iraqi demands has made that clear.
The White House is refusing to consider any sort of timetable, insisting that we will withdraw our troops as conditions allow, not as a schedule dictates.
In the past, that position has made military sense, but no longer. At some point in the process, things improve enough that setting a schedule for withdrawal becomes the next logical step. The Iraqis apparently believe that point has come. They believe that the conditions in their country have now improved enough to start talking in real terms of just when the Americans are going to leave.
They aren’t talking about an immediate withdrawal, but they do seem to want a guaranteed withdrawal. And as a sovereign country, that is their decision, not ours. So why is the White House balking at a chance to leave Iraq and claim victory?
Well, one of the administration’s primary goals in invading Iraq — in fact, probably its single most important objective — was to establish Iraq as a friendly, long-term host of American military bases. From those bases in the heart of the Arab world, they hoped to dominate the oil-rich Middle East for decades to come.
And if that was your goal from the beginning, the calculus of victory gets pretty simple:
Winning means staying; leaving means losing.
A timetable for withdrawal is a timetable for defeat, at least as the Bush administration has defined defeat and victory in its heart of hearts.
The belief that the Iraqis would tolerate or even welcome a long-term U.S. presence was never realistic; it was just another of our many prewar miscalculations. From the beginning, the Iraqis have had other ideas.
Some Iraqis did welcome our invasion as a way to rid themselves of Saddam Hussein. Others fought us from the beginning and continue to fight us. But Iraqis of every political leaning and religious sect were in agreement that we would not be allowed to stay. The experience of occupation has only hardened that sentiment.
We have been in Iraq for more than five years now, and unfortunately, it’s still too early to leave. Despite the growing confidence of Maliki and others, neither the Iraqi military nor its government is anywhere near ready to operate on its own. However, the time is right, for both Iraq and the United States, to start talking seriously about the timing of our exit.
When we do finally leave Iraq, perhaps in two or three years, we will have no guarantee that Iraq will remain peaceful or that it will preserve the bare structure of democracy. Such a guarantee is simply not attainable. We can’t be there to baby-sit, and the sad truth is that affairs in Iraq may very well default back to ugly, where they’d been for a very long time before we got there.
But that is not our responsibility. It is the responsibility of Iraqis. That’s the message they’re trying to send, a message we have no choice but to heed.
Comments
By hillbilly ragger
July 10, 2008 7:34 AM | Link to this
Mornin’ Jay.
Winning means staying; leaving means losing.
Methinks thou hast buriedeth the lede too much.
By swolf4810
July 10, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this
They want us gone? “Head ‘em up…..and move ‘em out!” We need more resources for Afghanistan, anyway.
By Mike
July 10, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this
**“In a last-ditch effort to fend off the disaster they long claimed could never come, President Bush and others are proposing to escalate our effort in Iraq, reportedly increasing our commitment by roughly 20,000 troops.It is a futile gesture, a vain attempt to salvage what is already lost.”
Jay Bookman - 1/10/07**
By Charles
July 10, 2008 7:46 AM | Link to this
I thought maybe Jay and the other hacks at the AJC got their pink slips. You never know with the dwindling subscriptions. If they did lose their jobs maybe they could go on Air America. Oh wait, they are bankrupt!
Hint to the AJC: Liberal/Socialist propoganda doesn’t sell.
By Mike
July 10, 2008 7:48 AM | Link to this
By swolf4810
July 10, 2008 7:44 AM | Link to this
They want us gone? “Head ‘em up…..and move ‘em out!” We need more resources for Afghanistan, anyway.
Hi swolf. I sure hope you served in the military. Otherwise Cynthia Tucker will call you a chickenhawk.
By kitty
July 10, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this
I have one word for the Bush Administration regarding the request for a timeline to vamoose by the Iraqis…DUH!!!!
By hillbilly ragger
July 10, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Mike, a suggestion. If you’ve got a point in quoting from a 1/10/07 column, you might want to try making it?
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Let’s see. A little back of the envelope math appears to be in order here. The proven oil reserves are estimated to last about another 40 years. Tack on another 10 years to accommodate new oil reserves and recovery technology. There you have it. We need to set up a timetable to leave in 50 years. You see. I knew that McCain’s estimates were just “off the cuff”. He needs to use the backs of envelopes like I do.
By Dennis
July 10, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
Four months ago Jay opined that Maliki was a failure who was incapable of leading Iraq.
Today, because he makes a statement that is in line with Jay’s position, Maliki is the strongest possible leader for Iraq and is fully prepared and qualified to govern the country.
I wonder who is Jay endorsing in our upcoming elections?
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
Maliki has to vogue tough for his constituency, or he’ll lose his support. He knows, we know, and the world knows that US troops can never leave Iraq.
You admitted as much in your piece, Bookman. You gloss over the global catastrophe of a “return to ugly”.
Why cant you simply admit that any country so entrenched in the ancient enmities, which had planted it’s flag and stationed it’s industry directly in the feeding paths of wardogs, can never untangle itself without unleashing the entire contents inside Pandora’s Box of unstoppable countdowns to doomsday.
You are forgetting the minds behind the mines. They still yearn for vengence. I know it’s a crazy notion, after all, who ever heard of an arab that held a grudge?
By Believer
July 10, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
We can’t leave Iraq. They would be defenseless against the Muslim horde. Terrorists will be free to spawn everywhere. Look. There’s another one already — behind that Bush.
By hillbilly ragger
July 10, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
Dennis, feel free to show where Jay ever opined that “Maliki is the strongest possible leader for Iraq and is fully prepared and qualified to govern the country”, in today’s column.
Or just admit that you’re moving the damn goalposts. And that you didn’t even bother reading Jay’s piece which, like most everything he’s ever posted about Iraq, is thoughtful and well-balanced.
By GodHatesTrash
July 10, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
We can’t leave Iraq - not while there’s any life left in the US economy for the warmongers to suck out.
But, the way things are going, it will be over soon, as the Bush dollar becomes more and more like the Mexican peso…
By Jase
July 10, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Hillbilly, You should keep your suggestions to yourself. Mike has made a point…you are just to blind to see it. Jay is a flip-flopping flimmer flammmer. Ha!
By AL
July 10, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
I could no more disavow my leader and spirtual mentor Mr. Maliki than I could disavow the whole Iraqi community.
By hillbilly ragger
July 10, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
‘later, rational folks. Gotta go put food on my family.
By Copyleft
July 10, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
Since when does it matter what the Iraqi people want? We can’t leave a Muslim country under the control of Muslims, after all.
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
I have to apologize for a few posts I’ve written over the years. I’ve claimed that we are leaderless. Then I saw the Northside Section of today’s AJC. We have a leader, and he’s on page JH6 wielding grilling tongs.
By bubbatech02
July 10, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
I never agree with you, Jay, because your articles are usually loaded with false statements and biased conjecture, but I have to side with you on this one. When the government you are protecting asks you to leave, and you dont, even if it was not an occupation before, it certainly is now.
By Captain Titanic
July 10, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Now that never leaving Iraq is being fully confirmed, it will be fun to see the USofA not open their books to the IMF like they’re “supposed” to.
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
McCain can only win in blackface. That works because he’s already got a vaudeville act.
No, I remember the first time any of us heard the name Obama. 2004 Democratic Convention. The speech. Remember the buzz? A new and rising superstar politician? Every bit of data that our six senses received about Obama were positive and enthusiastic. As we watched this man, we realized he was more than advertised, and we tucked away our approval for some future caucus.
Then, out of the pack like a screaming mimi, he burst through the nomination process. This was Grassroots Movement 101.
Now we are in the final turn. A black man will be our next president, and our founding vision will have come to fruition: Justice for all.
By ron
July 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jay,Good column this morning.Leaving Iraq will come in due time.It certainly appears on the surface that a lot of the opposition may have preceded us to Afghanistan.They’ll be there waiting for the troops from Iraq with open arms.
By Goldie
July 10, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
End The Occupation — give Iraq back to the Iraqis!
“Don’t make them have to take it away!”— Sir Paul McCartney, re: Ireland back in the day…
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
I apologize if this is a double post or one similar in nature - I haven’t completely my first cup of coffee, and I think I hit the post button too soon, but it appears to have dropped what I previously wrote.
I always considered Maliki to be a weak leader, but that was because he was reluctant to lead his people into a decision and get his country back on track. Now he seems to be doing that.
I’m sure there are other deals being cut which aren’t so favorable to the U.S. (i.e. oil) which is the main reason for Bush’s stubborness to leave.
He still feels he can pull the “terror” card, and unfortunately for most Americans that will still work, but not for long. Violence is down, which is great, but it won’t take long, especially if Maliki is insistent in his demands, the guns will fire up again, and this time it will be the Iraqi forces against the U.S. - a strange circle indeed.
I can’t remember if I read this in one of Jay’s columns, but the suggestion that Bush didn’t have an exit strategy because he never planned to leave has a very strong message and one that we should consider. As new twists and turns of this complete nightmare in Iraq come to light, it seems more and more that the Hague should get involved here. But that’s just me.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
See, I can’t even spell completed - there, I did it.
Good morning Goldie!
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Goldie, do not use a beatle’s name in vain, thankyou.
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Obama 08: Vision Accomplished.
By Jay's brother
July 10, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Every SERIOUS knowledgeable sourse about Iraq reports that Maliki’s statements are for domestic consumption to pacify the Sadr loyalists. Maliki is a politician, sort of like Obama when he says he will unilaterally withdraw from NAFTA but sends his underlings to whisper to Canadians that he doesn’t mean it.
As I posted before, the worst nightmare of the leftists are coming true in Iraq. The surge isn’t work-ING, it work-ED!!! See Obama squirm lately?
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
We are on the threshold of a bold new era of justice realized. It’s going to be painful because all of our self-medicating and self-aggrandizing assumptions about our own unique caste must be extinguished. We are a country of equals, like it or not.
Obama 08: Vision Accomplished.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
It’s an exit sign and it doesn’t hang over a door along the Iranian border.
By Jay's other brother, Daryl
July 10, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Obama 08: Vision Accomplished.
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
JAY BOOKMAN, I just want to point out that on the main ajc site page there is a mistake in the title of this blog. Reads: Is than an exit sign.” Am I the only one that thinks that line reads a bit strange? Maybe you should have your webmasta change it to IS THIS AN EXIT SIGN! or maybe Is THERE an exit sign. Both sound better.
By zeke
July 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
What a crock, Jay! I was hoping that with all the cuts at the ajc because people are not buying papers, because your liberal crap does not sell, might get all you liberal socialist fired, and, put Wooten in charge!!
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
My personal favorite: “Is That An EXIT Sign?”
It’s the first thing I look for when entering any crowded location. After all, it’s good to have an exit strategy up front when entering potentially unwelcome places.
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Is Bookman leaving? He saw an EXIT sign.
I know. Nevermind.
The former ambassador from Iraq explained on Lehrer News Hour that Maliki is trying to walking a fine line. He knows the country still needs American troop support but he also needs to appease the strong desire of Iraqis to run their own country. The idea is more that he SUGGESTS but not demands that American troops plan to leave.
As soon as Iraqi troops are capable of protecting their country, we will be glad to leave.
Bookman does not give you the ramifications because he has been anti-war from the beginning. Now he gloats “They want us to leave.”
Yes, Bookman, but only when THEY are ready. You put up an exit sign before we even got to Iraq which would have made it an Al queda headquarters by now. How about a PROGRESS sign from you road runners for freeing two countries from dictatorial government?
By RealityKing
July 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Everyone wants Iraq to stand up on their own two feet. Some of us just want to make sure that Iraq stays on their own two feet.
Did we only hold little Scotty’s hands once? Or do we position ourselves to catch his fall and stand him right back up for another try??
By Wild Bill Hiltner
July 10, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
Our distinguished and able leader, President Bush, has said that when they stand up, we will stand down. Unfortunately, Maliki’s statement is, but what Obamalamadingdong might call “over heated rhetoric” to pander to parochial interests in provincial elections. As things stand today, Maliki would be swingin’ from a lampost if the US pulled out immediately. So what we have here is a sign our the sucess of the surge, President Bush’s visionary leadership, and a first step toward the day when they stand up and we stand down. I’m just embarrased that I did not learn any of the Iraqui languages, I mean when they come over here they speack English, French, German………..
By truthman
July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Redneck Soup at 8:48:
FRIGGIN’ GREAT!!! BOTH BARRELS…BOOM!!!
I hope they all move to Jesustan (somewhere between Midland, Texas and the Land of Oz) after our brother of color, Barack HUSSEIN Obama becomes the 44th President of these United States and brings our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE
By truthman
July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Redneck Soup at 8:48:
FRIGGIN’ GREAT!!! BOTH BARRELS…BOOM!!!
I hope they all move to Jesustan (somewhere between Midland, Texas and the Land of Oz) after our brother of color, Barack HUSSEIN Obama becomes the 44th President of these United States and brings our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE
By truthman
July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Redneck Soup at 8:48:
FRIGGIN’ GREAT!!! BOTH BARRELS…BOOM!!!
I hope they all move to Jesustan (somewhere between Midland, Texas and the Land of Oz) after our brother of color, Barack HUSSEIN Obama becomes the 44th President of these United States and brings our LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE to an end!
By RealityKing
July 10, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
My pre-teen daughter is convienced that she is responsible enough to move out and take care of herself…, and she is quite responsible. But of course, it would be grossly irresponsible of me to let her ignorance destroy the wonderful future of freedom that we have worked so hard to achieve together…
By truthman
July 10, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Wingnuts! Just admit we are an Army of Occupation, OK?
Just admit that simple truth! We have been asked to leave by a soverign government and we have refused, ergo, we are an Army of Occupation.
Just admit that and we wonderful, tree-hugging, panty-waist liberals will admit that Obama was a Putz for supporting Bush’s “get out of jail free” vote yesterday!!
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Dusty @ 10:09,
So is it up to us to determine when the Iraqis are capable of defending themselves?
They consider themselves a sovreign nation, and it is really up to them to decide when we go, otherwise, we are no better the dictator.
“He knows the country still needs American troop support but he also needs to appease the strong desire of Iraqis to run their own country. The idea is more that he SUGGESTS but not demands that American troops plan to leave”
I can certainly believe that, but the desire of the Iraqi people is what’s important and what should ultimately drive the decisions to leave.
Maliki, probably too, realizes that if we leave, there is a strong likelihood that he will lose power or be replaced.
By RW-(the original)
July 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
If the timeframe for leaving should be the arbitrary 16 months after taking office in January that Obambi espouses in alternate speeches. (Those being the ones that alternate with the ones where he mimics President Bush by saying it’ll depend on conditions on the ground.) Or if the timetable should be Jay Bookman’s two to three years, wouldn’t it be highly presumptuous for a President with six months left in office to set that schedule?
I can only imagine the column we would be reading about how the evil Chimperor had tied the hands of the Messiah if Bush decided to set a withdrawal schedule.
(By the way, he set that schedule back in 2003. When the Iraqis can stand on their own we will stand down and return home with honor and victory)
By demwit
July 10, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Jay’s one of those people that recklessly cuts across 5 lanes of traffic to get to the up coming exit from the fastlane..
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
truthman, If we are occupiers then why have we trained their army to protect themselves? You just contradicted yourself by saying that their “sovereign” government has asked us to leave. IF we were occupiers there would not be a government in Iraq. But then again, childhood must have been tough on you being that your IQ is that of a carrot.
By Wild Bill Hiltner
July 10, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Truthman -
The person that mows my lawn and tends to my yard is named Walter. Walter is a 60ish African-American. This weekend, I asked Walter who would receive his vote in the Presidential election. Walter told me, without hesitation, that he would vote for Obama. I asked alter why he would vote for Obama and, with a big smile on his face, Walter told me that Obama was going to pay reparations to the black community. Obama enjoy large turnout and support in the primaries, let’s see how he does when the reparations bubble is burst.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Reality King,
I was thinking along the same lines. However, I would use the comparison of Iraq as a college student (I have one entering college this year) and you have to let them go, actually, you are required by law to let them go, but that’s another story - but you still keep a close eye out on them.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
RW,
“When the Iraqis can stand on their own”
How does one even begin to evaluate that?
By truthman
July 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
RW - the original Queen of Denial!!
Goalpost mover!!
By N-GA
July 10, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
Iraq was a sovereign nation when we invaded, so this administration should have no problem deciding a simple thing like “Is Iraq capable of running its own affairs”.
I find it interesting, perhaps even perplexing, that many Americans support staying in Iraq even after no WMD’s were found. The invasion was illegal from the get-go, and I suspect there will be plenty of criminal charges filed in international courts once this administration leaves office. Just like there were many criminal charges filed once things settled down in Bosnia.
The American justice system, by-and-large, tries to avoid executing a convicted criminal for fear that he/she may possibly be innocent. So I ask you, since there were no WMD’s (and if there were, they were no threat to the USA), should all the Iraqi deaths be viewed as state-sponsored terrorism? Just thinking out loud. Not to worry, Lt. William Calley got away with murder.
By JW
July 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
There is a reason why the GOP is so confident about how GA will vote. It’s the same reason we hold on to 48th place in educating our children. THE MAJORITY IS FREAKIN NUTS! DO you people really think what you write here?
By GodHatesTrash
July 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Never misunderestimate the ignorance and stupidity of the Georgia electorate.
Georgia - red state forever. Bottomfeeders.
By old91A10
July 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Hello, Obama, Pelosi, Reid.
Bye, bye Constitution.
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Guys, next year is an election year in Iraq. I’m sure we’ve never heard politicians say things to placate the voters before, that simply never happens..
Also, you should consider that a timetable for withdrawal is not marching orders. We took years to pull out of Germany and Japan, in fact.. we still haven’t.. we maintain bases their to this day and those are definitely sovereign countries in their own right. The SOFA decides how many troops and what bases. If they decide they don’t want us there at all, then we pull back to Kuwait and hang out there. I think that’s fair and it’s their decision, but to imagine that they’ve said “OK, you americans there, out of the pool.. by tomorrow” by stating that they’d like a clear timetable for withdrawal is overstating things a little bit.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Isn’t this just sweet. All the talk about the juvenile delinquent — Iraq — and how it needs us to help it take those little bitty baby steps and how we need to get that picture of it attending its high school graduation, and don’t forget those prom pictures to stash away for those family reunions. Now if that isn’t the most defining moment for big brother (or, is that mommy) GOP — its true definition of “family values”. Just remember though — GOP may be sweet talking you from now until November but that frying pan is just waiting in the other hand to WHACK some sense into you the first time you say something cross. Something like, “I want my Independence.”
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
The reason we need to stay in Iraq is the same reason we should have more fully supported Afghanistan after the Soviets left (instead of just sort of abandoning them).
Areas of instability are breedings grounds for people with an axe to grind. Guess who they’ll want to grind that axe with. Guess how they’ll get their grind on.
It’s pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that we shouldn’t have gone messing around in Iraq and doubly clear that we had no idea what we were doing when we did it. The failure of the CPA should result in jail time for criminal negligence (I’m looking at you Paul Bremer, and cohorts). But now this is our mess and isn’t it typical of Americans of all leanings these days not to want to clean up their mess. We get the chance this November to perhaps clean up some of it (though my faith in our politicians is limited to the certainty that they can only make things worse) but we’ll pay more in money in lives down the road if we don’t clean up some of our mess.
I know all you people hear is doom and gloom on the media outlets you watch, I watch the same outlets, all of them. They’re overstating the crisis for commercial success. The truth is we’re doing some pretty good things there and the fact that Maliki even tried to project military force is a sign that progress is being made. We’re finally doing the right thing in Iraq and hopefully that will pay off in the long run.
Yes, I served, though my time was before Iraq, but I’ve had friends there and generally they believe and still believe that cleaning that mess up and being in Iraq is the right thing. These were infantry men who worked beyond the wire by the way, not fobbits.
By AL
July 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
More typical and predictable response from the wacko left. If you vote GOP you’re somehow not enlightened or less educated. If you don’t support a liberal socialists that has questionable friends you somehow get your information from Fox news. If you think the Democratic party stands for nothing you believe in, or if you actually have convictions in your life. You’re somehow backward and uneducated. I refuse to embrace socialism in ANY form or face. I never will. And I also know from traveling around this countrry the people of Georgia and Atlanta are some of the best informed people in the country. The party line typical liberal responses only make them look ignorent. Come up with some real arguments, for socialism.
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Antelope Freeway, one-half mile….Antelope Freeway, one-quarter mile. … Antelope Freeway, one-eighth mile. … Antelope Freeway, one-sixteenth mile. … Antelope Freeway, one thirty-second mile. etc. etc. etc.
By RW-(the original)
July 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
We turned over sovereignty to Iraq a few years ago. When they say they are ready and they want us out we have to leave, but despite Bookman’s attempt to deceive you into thinking that’s what they have said, they haven’t.
As for us determining when to leave I think we either decide they don’t want to ever provide for their own security and decide to abandon them to whatever fates await them or we decide to protect them forever like we do with most of the rest of our allies. If we decide they are capable of their own defense and governance we negotiate a SOFA with them.
We turn over more and more areas of the country to the Iraqi security forces every day so this is really only a matter of time anyway and victory is on pace.
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Let’s say Obama promises reparations to blacks. Then what? Will blacks finally shut up? Nope, they will milk until we are totally bankrupt. Can you say Civil War 2? I guess the south will rise again.
By truthman
July 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
91A10…Gee, you were a Pfc.
Your Chimperor has already trashed the Constitution (remember when Bush 41 said “anyone who outs a CIA operative is guilty of treason?)…of course you don’t.
Our fine, liberal politicians are going to restore the Rule of Law to this country and get rid of the fascist, money-loving neo-cons!
By getalife
July 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
The dem rubber stamp Congress will keep them in Iraq like w wants and if he wants to invade Iran, they will not stop anything.
Good toon my Mike today.
By truthman
July 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Communist AJC…you are a blithering, bigoted idiot. Please go back to Wooten’s log with the rest of the Cracker Factor.
RW: Al-Maliki said he wants a timetable or no SOFA agreement. The next day, the defense (or state) minister reiterated that the U.S. better have a withdrawal timetable or there will be no SOFA agreement.
THOSE ARE FACTS. WHAT YOU SAY ID FOX NOISE LIES.
YOU ARE THE QUEEN OF DENIAL ON THIS BLOG!
Truly, I hope the Iraqis stall until 21 Jan. 2009 when Barack HUSSEIN Obama puts an end to the National Nightmare the Bush/Cheney junta has put us through.
Pendejo!!
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
By Dusty July 10, 2008 10:09 AM You put up an exit sign before we even got to Iraq which would have made it an Al queda headquarters by now.
And I’ve been athunkin Al Queda was holed up in Afganistan from the beginning. ‘Course we all know Iraq is a tangle of terrorist action at this time.
Wonder what woulda happened if we’d gone ‘in hot pursuit’ after Ossama B Ladin in Afganistan instead of attacking Iraq?
By Bosch July 10, 2008 10:35 AM RW, “When the Iraqis can stand on their own” How does one even begin to evaluate th
Iraquis were ‘standing on their own’ prior to the invasion. Bookman is on target. The objective was to establish a long term presence in Iraq, and we do need the oil!
By GodHatesTrash
July 10, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Al, I’m afraid the statistics don’t support your view - the red states, Georgia in particular, have higher high school drop out rates (40% of Georgians can’t even graduate from a Georgia high school, how stupid do you have to be not to be able to graduate from a Georgia high school - scary stupid!), poorer standardized test scores (including IQ), higher rates of retardation, mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction, violent crime, divorce, unwed motherhood, incest, teen pregnancy - all of these things are highly correlative with low intellectual ability and achievement.
Now you can try the Big Lie strategery about how smart and well-informed (hint, listening to a John Marshall Law School gradyeate harangue you on the radio doesn’t make you well-informed, nor does plopping your obese butt in front of Faux News for a couple of hours every night) the people of Georgia and Atlanta are (like Dumbya, you can blow smoke up peoples’ butts and tell them what they want to hear, whether it’s true or not), but no matter how loud and often you repeat the lie, it just ain’t so, bubba.
It just ain’t so.
And here you thought you were in the land of Einsteins!
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
N-GA,
I’ve thought the same things out loud. I can only hope that international charges are brought against many in this administration, becaue it is certainly deserving. However, like Luckovich’s cartoon suggests today, I feel it’s also highly likely the international courts will pull an American Congress on us.
While I would like nothing more than to see Bush, Cheney, and Rove in prison along with the likes of Milosovic (?sp), I feel that many in the international community would like to see our country’s economy dwindle into nothing, which it is on the fast track of accomplishing that.
I’ve said many times that military wars are useless in today’s world - it is no longer who has the most guns wins, if you know what I mean. The real threat is the economy and most world leaders know this. Our “bring ‘em on” idiot leader and about half of Americans haven’t figured this out yet. Well, I take that back, our “idiot” leader does know that, but he knows that about half of Americans don’t - which he is able to manipulate into a smoke screen.
By RW-(the original)
July 10, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
truth?man?,
SOFA agreement is redundant.
By the way, a timetable for all troops to be gone is by default a SOFA.
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Good idea, Truthman, on the Jan. ‘09 departure. Then we can spend the next 30 years bashing the Bush brigade for being Carteresque. Sounds like fun to me.
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Thanks, Al 11:03
The lefties sit here in the South, many of them from far flung places they chose to leave, and then they start trying to make it like the place they left.
Sen. Kennedy knew where to go for the finest brain surgery. The South.
New Orleans refugees knew the best place of opportunity was Atlanta, Georgia.
Large military bases are in many places in the South because the South supports the military whole heartedly. They have supported this war of ours because they understand why we are there.
Emory University, one of the outstanding universities in the USA, has more money than it knows what to do with, most of it given by rich Southerners.
The South is also considered moderate in the cost of living, nothing like the squeeze in California. That is because the Southern economy is run by people who do not gouge their fellow citizens.
Other than that, the South is a warm lovely place to thrive and those who can’t see that, can’t see it anywhere….like complaining libs who see an exit sign wherever they show up. Wonder why?..
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
N GA, I missed your post at 10:43 AM when I posted at 11:18 AM. You said it well!!
By RSN in Atlanta
July 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Jay, Have you been giving any though to what you’re going to do when this rag folds? I guess there’s always “Air America”. Oh, wait…
By truthman
July 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
RW, no it’s not!
We have SOFAs with Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea and we sure as shi! aren’t gone from those countries, are we?
Wrong again…and again…and again…and again…and again!
To Mike S. It’s for people like Bush I wish there was god…so he could burn in Hell for eternity, unlike Carter who would be welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven with open arms.
But, alas, there is no god!
No God? Know Peace!!
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.”
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
truthman, Wow, only a truly brainless lib would take that as racism. I was being sarcastic my mindless friend.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
RW,
Iraq was a sovreign nation before we invaded, and I haven’t been to any of Maliki’s press conferences, or know what he’s said exactly, but I get the impression from polls I’ve read that the Iraqis want us gone with absolutely no permanent bases. I also get the impression that Maliki’s recent visits to Iran as an indication that he wants to deal with Iran rather than the U.S.
As far as a “victory” being declared in Iraq? I can’t even think in those terms anymore - what defines victory or defeat - I think to try anddo so is kind of irrelevant at this point.
There have been many “victories” and “defeats” in whatever you want to call this situation with Iraq now, but the main defeat is the impact it’s had on our economy - make excuses however you will.
Saddam selling oil in euros? Did that have anything to do with the invasion?
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Bosch,11:23
You are about as anti-American as they come. Democrats have been singing that old “let’s try them”song ever since Bush defeated Gore and then Kerry. The only problem for Dems is THEY CAN’T FIND ANYTHING ILLEGAL. They have tried and tried and all they could get was a penny ante conviction on lying when the trial was about who ‘uncovered Plame’. The crazy part is Armitage had ALREADY confessed that he had mentioned PLame’s status.
That is the kind of antics we get from Democrats. But YOU can’t even support a war against our enemies. Osama was not on the 9/11 planes but he planned it and is now holed up in a cave in the Himalayas. Did you want him running central headquarters in Iraq? Probably..
I suggest a cure for your unhappiness would be for you to take advantage of your dual citizenship. Go for it and find the joy that suits your aspirations.
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
truthman, Also, if you are going to accuse someone of being a bigot it might not be a good idea to call them a racial slur. Kind of makes a you hypocrite. Cracker Factory? Should I tell you to go to the Fudge Factory? Or how about go to the Black Hole? Thanks to uneducated black man in Dallas, Black Hole is now a racial term. Troglodyte.
By Candid Date with the Polls
July 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Exit Sign. Exit sign, you say. Well, you don’t have to look far to see who has been using the Exits these days. The little ole Republican run county that I live in has said that property taxes are going up, again. The Republican leadership’s comments: We either have to cut expenses or raise taxes. I guess that means that the REAL Republicans Exited the building long ago. Well, guess what. I can get a Democrat to weigh the options of cutting expenses versus raising taxes AND be more honest and fair about it. Exit sign, you say. Well, I say show the GOP (the faux Republicans) the Exit sign.
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
Dusty, this big liberal hails from far-flung Spartanburg, S.C., and I know cow flop when I see and hear it.
RSN: It’s pretty lame when you lift your jokes directly from Charles.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
truthman,
I like that saying - also a few selected from Orwell -
Prophets? Nah, but truly enlightened people can make pretty acurate predictions.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
I guess having a normal conversation with you that doesn’t involve condescending, childish, “you are unAmerican,” petty name-calling, which turns into irrelevant points of the topic is pretty much a futile dream of mine.
By RW-(the original)
July 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
truth?man?,
You’re an idiot plain and simple and beyond this response I see no reason to engage you.
If we jointly set a timetable for ALL troops to be out of Iraq that is a SOFA because the status of force agreement is that all forces will gone by X day.
Bosch,
A stable Iraq that is an ally of the United States and is a self governing Democracy in the heart of the Middle East sure as hell sounds like victory to me.
Iraq may well have been a sovereign nation when we resumed the Gulf War in 2003, but we had been in a state of war with them ever since we pushed them out of Kuwait. Most of the Democrat(ic)s knew that too until it became politically expedient to start calling this “Bush’s illegal war.”
By getalife
July 10, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Nice propaganda crusty.
Baghdad bobbie?
Geez, you are a kook like these kooks:.
“Salon’s Walsh: Huffington, Markos misled readers about Obama:
“He was never the great progressive savior that his fans either thought he was, or Arianna Huffington and Markos Moulitsas peddled to their readers,” says Salon’s Joan Walsh.
Supporters become disillusioned after Obama’s turn toward the right”
You kooks should like o. He is more right than McCain.
By Copyleft
July 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
By Dusty The lefties sit here in the South, many of them from far flung places they chose to leave, and then they start trying to make it like the place they left.
You should be grateful, Dusty. After all, we’re trying to spread our democratic ideals to oppressive, religious-zealot dominated backwaters of the world—just like your hero, Bush does!
And we’ll stay here until your entire government and society are running the way we want them to—again, just like Bush has decided for Iraq! Now quit whining about our “occupation” of the South; we know what’s best for you, and WE’LL decide when you’re allowed to govern yourselves.
Doesn’t sound so good on the receiving end, does it?
(snicker)
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
If you measure intelligence by possession of a high school or college diploma, you’re pretty limited in your own intelligence.
I’m not sure if you understand this, but most of the internet you are posting on is run and maintained by high school and college dropouts. The computer you’re using is probably running an operating system that was developed and marketed by a college dropout.
All a diploma indicates is that you were able to regurgitate the information required by the state without any variation or deviation for free thought involved.
While there are a lot very smart and very capable high school and college graduates and conversely a lot very stupid high school and college drop outs, a piece of paper should not be taken as a blanket measure for intelligence.
By truthman
July 10, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Andi/CommunistAJC/Zell/RW/Dustball,
Are you going to remain in the stupid south after my brother, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, is elected President Nov. 7? I sure hope not.
Maybe you and your multiple personalities can go to a country where relgious fanaticism is encouraged…LIKE IRAN OR SYRIA!!
We’re going to mop up the street with the neo-conmen and women AND YOU JUST CAN’T STAND IT!!!
Love Jimmy! Love Bill! Love Hillary! Love Teddy! Love Barack (44th POTUS).
Bwahahahahaha!!!
By truthman
July 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
No, dumb-dumb!! A SOFA established who has police and judicial powers over service members when they break the laws of our host’s countries. Example: Soldiers who murder Iraqis civilians are tried in U.S. Military courts, not in Iraqi courts.
Are you beginning to understand, RW?
Please show me in our SOFA with Germany when we are leaving? South Korea? Italy? Japan? Colombia? Honduras?
Can’t do it, can you?
Poser!
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
RW,
“A stable Iraq that is an ally of the United States and is a self governing Democracy in the heart of the Middle East sure as hell sounds like victory to me”
I agree with that, but at what cost? And what is the ultimate objective here? For oil? For having a base to help fight terrorists? Both?
In my opinion, the main thing you have to look at is the cost involved vs. the ultimate goal - and is it even plausible.
One thing that we must consider is our new place in the global economy, we aren’t on top anymore. Sure, we have a strong GDP, but I think it’s time to start looking at other factors in determining our economic strengths. We have to look at what we are spending our money on vs. what is the ultimate benefit for our country. I think we need many more things to make this country secure and strong than oil and to have a base point to fight terrorists.
Gotta run out….
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
By AL July 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this More typical and predictable response from the wacko left. If you vote GOP you’re somehow not enlightened or less educated
Something’s definitely wrong with this Red State. Oh well, think I’ll just ‘go fishin.’
On second thought, I’ll take along a large garbage bag to pick up the beer cans those morons have thrown around our creeks and lake. Gotta do something to pay that HIGH DEDUCTABLE on my insurance.
I feel so enlightened.
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Bush was born in Connecticut, he was educated at Yale, and he vacations in Maine. The man is not a southerner.
You understand that the ignorant backwards ways of the south is a product of reconstruction, right?
You do know that, despite slavery, the south was generally more open minded and tolerant than the north?
The CSA government had jews and native americans in top positions of power and many of the government were unionists? That the officer corps of the CSA army was filled with people who felt slavery was wrong, including Robert E. Lee, who has released his slaved ten years before the war even began.. you know this stuff right?
You know the north’s economy was fueled by thinly veiled economic slavery and that the north invented draft riots and that immigrants were taken off the boat, signed into the army, granted citizenship and sent directly to the battlefield, you know that too eh? You know that antisemitism and racism ran rampant in the north and the midwest spawned a re-vitalized KKK After decades of decline, yeah?
I don’t appreciate your failure to take responsibility for the north’s sins and the generally pretentious attitude of northerners about the cultural and moral inferiority of the south. There are rednecks and bigots enough for the whole country. That’s a national problem. The supposed backwardness of the south and assumptions that it’s just the south is cold ignorance and as a southerner I don’t appreciate it.
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
My plan is to move to Alaska, sling my rifle and disappear into the wilderness. You people, none of you, ever learned that you shouldn’t crap where you sleep.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Dusty is still spouting those same old BORING lines — over and over and over. She accused me of being boring — HA. If the truth is boring, the Dusty is destined to eternal boredom. And, you think that you’re the true southerner. I’ll take that bet ANY day.
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
truthman, Uh, your brother? Who’s racist stripes are showing now? By the way, Obama Hussien is half-white so I guess he is my brotha as well. Iran? Hell, your brother is defending Iran. So why don’t you go there and play in the sand and leave the smarter people alone to blog.
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Jimbo I, I recently moved to Chicago and let me tell you all about racism. I see racism on the EL just about everyday. Blacks up here are as racist as any KKK member or the past. White people up here make cracks at American Indians like theres nothing wrong with it. The north is full of racists. I get sick of hearing about how the south is racist and then you hear people like Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson etc… making racists comments about whites and blacks. Hell, most of the northern states have never had a black governor or head football coach for that matter and yet they preach about the south being racist. What a bunch of hypocrites. The north sucks! High taxes and pale skin.
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
By truthman July 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this Your Chimperor has already trashed the Constitution (remember when Bush 41 said “anyone who outs a CIA operative is guilty of treason?)…of course you don’t.
Truthman, from “The American Prospect, July/August 2008 issue.” Article, “Up Front,” the Question: ((What could Bush possibly do to improve his approval ratings before he leaves office?
“Build time machine, travel to Palm Beach 2000, fix butterfly ballot, concede, make daring citizen’s arrest to foil 9-11 plot,” —David Halperin, former speechwriter for Bill Clinton and Howard Dean))
A little humor never hurt anyone.
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Hell, only one Southern state has had a black governor since Reconstruction so what’s the point of that, Commie? (Of course, Florida might now have a gay guv, and that’s a Northern state.)
By CommunistAJC
July 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Mike S, And how many northern states? NY? Uh, that only happened because of prostitution. See my point now?
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
No, Commie, I don’t. (PS, Glad to hear you’re suffering in Chicago.)
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
By Jimbo I July 10, 2008 12:05 PM There are rednecks and bigots enough for the whole country. That’s a national problem. The supposed backwardness of the south and assumptions that it’s just the south is cold ignorance and as a southerner I don’t appreciate it.
Jimbo I, those who make assumptions about the South’s ignorance are just that. Yep, I know I made a comment about our now Red state. That’s because I’m not really happy about how some things are now going, but that’s my opinion.
Heck, the county in which I now live, is primarily made up of those who have moved here from all across the country. There’s definitely enough fools to go around.
What many don’t understand, is that companies have relocated en-mass to the Atlanta area during the last few years. Good race relations is part of the reason. What company in their right mind would relocate to a state that is a hot bed of racism?
The political parties have also changed over the years, but that’s another story. On to other things; work calleth.
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
bosch,11:52
Why didn’t you tell us about the great evidence you are going to supply for getting Bush convicted? You can’t. You want a discussion but you present no evidence. You don’t have any. Some discussion!! Your opinions are not evidence so stick to facts.
Copyleft,11:55
Please stop your effort to make the South like the slums you left. Thank you. And stop throwing beer cans in Morningstar’s creek. She hardly has time to blog.
Taxpayer-12:10-whooo hooo…you are still boring. I enjoy being a true Southerner. Born in Georgia and grew up in South Carolina.Now lovin’ it in Georgia. How lucky can you get? I am blessed. And most of us are conservative. Just icing on the cake…
Eat your heart out, Yankees! (To my Yankee friends, this only applies to the complainers here.)
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Did you run out of ideas, Commie?
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
COMMIE, you’re out of here. Unpublished and banned for the day.
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Actually, and it’s not saying much, but black governors are tied.
One in Louisiana (for 35 days) and one in Virgina.
One in New York (albeit unplanned) and one in Massachusetts.
By AL
July 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this
Poor people been voting for Democrats in this country for 60 years and theY’re still broke as hell!
Charles Barkley
Now who’s stupid ?
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Dusty, Bush has simply refused to enact several laws. His EPA is stalling enforcement of clean air standards as ordered by the Supreme Court. His Justice Department has stonewalled Supreme Court rulings ordering the provision of rudimentary civil rights to detainees held in Cuba. He picked Dick (“I Was Too Special to Serve in Vietnam”) Cheney as his vice president. And I’m just getting wound up.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Just as I thought, Dusty. Dusty!. Wake Up and pay attention. You transplant to Georgia. Just as I thought. Now, go and study your Georgia history like a good transplant. Maybe you won’t be so boring once you learn a little bit about your new home state.
By truthman
July 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
Morningstar!
That was excellent (humor!).
P.S. I’m not actually black or white. I’m more of an olive with reddish undertones.
Hey, The Chimperor is about to sign his “get out of jail free” papers on CNN. Man, I wish I could commit treason and then sign my own release form!!
Crime DOES pay, I guess!
By truthman
July 10, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
“Who’s paying the biggest price for our war in Iraq: The National Guard”
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/10/113147/431
It’s from Veterans, RW (or whomever you be), so try to argue with it.
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
Dear Al:
From Barkley, explaining why he USED to be Republican:
“That was until they went crazy, before all those religious fanatics took over. My man (President Bush) started a war for no reason. He’s getting innocent kids killed over there.”
I used to vote Republican too; I just saw the light a little quicker than Charles did.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You’re right about one thing, I personally have no evidence because I’m not an international lawyer for the ICC and am not privy to that information - are you?
While I think it would be disatrous to our economy for the ICC to bring up criminal charges against Bush, et.al now, and don’t think that would happen, I’m not so sure that the ICC wouldn’t have grounds for brining up charges say next spring or so.
But who knows? You don’t and neither do I. Unfortunately, Bush has shown his proverbial, potentially criminal backside on a global scale.
But even if no charges are ever brought against Bush and Co., I will have the satisfaction of knowing that history will place him below the former worst president of the United States, my hero, Jimmy. And unlike my hero Jimmy, Bush will be forever hated by millions, probably billions and have absolutely no opportunities for future endeavors that affect goodness and prosperity in this country or around the world, thank God.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
The root problem is the office of the president - it has too much power to make war without any checks and balances. We must strip the president of the power to make war….as commander in chief, he is only authorized to repel immediate attacks on American soil, but not to attack other countries. When agents of a foreign power gain control of the office of president, they can then use that office to force all of america into a foreign war. I speak specifically of the neocons and the pro israel fanatics who started this war in Iraq…they must be held accountable or their is no justice and america will be judged as a failure….Wolfoweasel, puky pearlie, filthy feithie, and liar libbie all must be arrested, charged with treason, tried, and when convicted, executed for treason against the united states of america. APIAC must be kicked out of america, along with each and every member, and APIAC must be labeled a terrorist organization. Finally, all military and financial aide to israel must be terminated, including the camp david rip off of the american tax payer.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
The root problem is the office of the president - it has too much power to make war without any checks and balances. We must strip the president of the power to make war….as commander in chief, he is only authorized to repel immediate attacks on American soil, but not to attack other countries. When agents of a foreign power gain control of the office of president, they can then use that office to force all of america into a foreign war. I speak specifically of the neocons and the pro israel fanatics who started this war in Iraq…they must be held accountable or their is no justice and america will be judged as a failure….Wolfoweasel, puky pearlie, filthy feithie, and liar libbie all must be arrested, charged with treason, tried, and when convicted, executed for treason against the united states of america. APIAC must be kicked out of america, along with each and every member, and APIAC must be labeled a terrorist organization. Finally, all military and financial aide to israel must be terminated, including the camp david rip off of the american tax payer.
By Mike S
July 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Bosch: You should brush up on those presidents who served between Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln. No, they aren’t Bush league, but Jimmy outshined them all. Carter, unfortunately, just proved that prophets live without honor in their own land.
By Copyleft
July 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
And don’t forget Herbert Hoover. And Warren Harding. They were AWFUL. Bush, of course, outshines them all in sheer atrocity, but we’ve had quite a few stinkers in the Oval Office even before the current Reign of Error.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
How true, George. We must take back control of the Office of the Presidency from the agents of a foreign power. Vote out these so-called conservatives. Vote them out at all levels. If Dusty wants them so bad, let Dusty pay for them, feed them, cloth them, house them, etc. She deserves them.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
Mike S and Copyleft,
I know, I know, I was speaking Wingnutese.
And there were the pretty much non-existent presidents after Andrew Johnson as well.
I consider Andrew Jackson one of the most notorious murderers of the modern era, right up there with Hitler, but that’s just me.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this
Dusty is irrevelevant and insignificant.
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
The root problem is the American people. Bush and Cheney made it abundantly clear before the 2000 election that they planned to trample laws, court rulings and other restrictions on executive power they did not like. And they squeaked by into office on the votes of people who claimed to be conservatives. And then the very same people — virtually state by state — re-elected them in ‘04 despite everything they already had done to trash our Constitution. Other than that, GHW, I am in strong agreement with you. — The poster formerly known as Mike S.
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
By JAY BOOKMAN July 10, 2008 1:32 PM Dear Al: From Barkley, explaining why he USED to be Republican: “That was until they went crazy, before all those religious fanatics took over. My man (President Bush) started a war for no reason. He’s getting innocent kids killed over there.”
Careful Jay, you’ll be called one of the Devil’s Disciples. I’ve had my integrity questioned repeatedly, after expressing disappointment when a ‘religious fanatic’ spreads propaganda, and makes statements that are not in line with what they (the fnantic) project themselves to be.
Some don’t understand that being a Christain does not equate to being a religious fanatic. Fanatics are mean and nasty! Guess they never read the “Callas Case” by Voitaire.
And you’re right, the political parties have really switched gears over the years.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Another nail in the coffin of traditional newspapers: Virtual news-gathering website NowPublic said Thursday it has bought rumor-backing Truemors to go beyond eye witness accounts to exposing developments “bubbling under the hood.” The deal, for an undisclosed amount, expands the news coverage of the Vancouver-based NowPublic, which delivers news and events recorded by eyewitnesses using their own digital cameras and even mobile phones.
Co-founder Len Brody has built NowPublic into a formidable news gathering operation which boasts more than 100,000 “very active” contributors in more than 6,000 cities and 160 countries.
Brody told AFP in an exclusive interview that NowPublic, which bills itself as “crowd-powered,” has bought year-old Truemors, a year-old website devoted to amassing sources that back the credibility of rumors buzzing on the Internet.
“We are now the largest user-generated news website in the world,” Brody said. “Part of user-generated news is unearthing the buzz.”
A brain child of venture capitalist Guy Kawasaki, Truemors lets users read, write, discuss and rate rumors.
Truemors will remain an independent company based in the Northern California city of Palo Alto and Kawasaki becomes chair of NowPublic’s advisory board.
Truemors staff ranges from five to 10 people that vet user submissions before posting them in categories including business, entertainment, sports, sex, odd, and “crap.”
“Truemors believes in the democratization of information” Kawasaki said in a release.
“Access for everyone to everything, as well as demonstrative technology-products that enable the open exhibition and expression of information, emotions, and opinions.”
NowPublic plans to reverse the vetting standard of proving rumors true before posting them. Brody believes extensive and immediate feedback from online readers will separate truth from falsehood.
“We want the editorial policy to match NowPublic’s and be wide open,” Brody said. “We want to give you innocent-until-proven-guilty. Truemors was the other way around, it had to be proven and true before.”
NowPublic will mesh Truemors content into its website, ideally providing amateur news hounds stories to sniff out, Brody said.
“Truemorists are digging in the four corners of the web for the status of the rumor mill at any moment,” Brody said.
“It will drive leads to our members for stories going on around the world and give our readers a look at what’s bubbling under the hood.”
Brody wouldn’t disclose precise figures of traffic to NowPublic and Truemors but said combined readership is in the millions.
NowPublic claims extensive followings in Europe and Asia, with more than 1,000 contributors in India alone.
But Brody shuns the label “citizen journalist,” saying it is tantamount to branding someone a “citizen dentist.”
“The truth is journalism is an art form,” Brody said. “Calling someone a citizen journalist just doesn’t make sense. What we are is an army of eyes and ears to witness what is going on and work with journalists.”
By mcGroots
July 10, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 11:46
They have tried and tried and all they could get was a penny ante conviction on lying when the trial was about who ‘uncovered Plame’.
Ah, how I long for the good ‘ol days, back before the turn of the century, when good old fashioned values still held true. Back then, lying was so important that we spent over $40 million investigating the President for lying.
Now it’s just a penny-ante issue.
Alas!
By Bud Wiser
July 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Did Commie AJC get booted for the day? Too bad, he wins the literature award for the day with the phrase “truthman, Wow, only a truly brainless lib would take that as racism.”
Never has a more clever oxymoron been used so concisely as when he called truthman a ‘brainless lib.”
By Believer
July 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
SNL,
I believe “Mathews” should be “Matthews’ “.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
True intentions are now out for all to see. When George W. Hitler attacked Iraq he did so sith no provocation and no valid evidence of any threat the iraqis might pose to this once great nation. The United States started off the barbarism with a little battering the government called ‘Shock and Awe Shucks’ which was a demonstration of technological bombardment by an overconfident bully. The Americans trotted out a cornpone deck of cards with assorted desperadoes on them. Osama bin Laden was not pictured because George W. Hitler said he wasn’t interested in him. He, however, was interested enough to withdraw our forces when his old partner was cornered at Tora Bora. On the first of May 2003, George W. Hitler, aboard the Abraham Lincoln, declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! It wasn’t! Unless the mission was to make a complete a* of his dumb self. Now, the Iraqis have had enough of our brutal torturing, murdering, thieving troops and government. They long for the good old days when Saddam was in power and they had only one lunatic to fear!
By GodHatesTrash
July 10, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
Here on the blog, we don’t see color. So I don’t see truthman’s post a “white” joke. I see it as a “blithering bigoted idiot” joke, since that’s who/what truthman was addressing.
That apt description fits virtually all the rightwingnut posters here. White black green, you’d all still be blithering bigoted idiots.
And let’s face it - the Woo-ten Klan blog is a whiner/hater site.
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
“Brainless lib” is not an oxymoron. Think Lisa Caputo, Lanny Davis and those two dummies Hillary hired to run her campaign.
BTW: Is CommunistAJC Pt. 2 just a beard for someone who got booted off earlier in the day?
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Bud (none the) Wiser, good to see you back, still blathering your stupidities and inane drivel. Do you and Rush have the same pharmacist? You are a right-wing fascist claiming to be a conservative but what do conservatives conserve? It’s not the taxpayers’ money. That’s all gone. it’s not natural resources and it’s not human life because you don’t give a damn about those things. You get all frothy about a woman choosing abortion but you could not care less about soldiers being sent to Iraq to die so George W. Hitler and accomplices can get even richer. So tell us, moron, what is it that makes your dumb a* conservative?
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Thanks, God, we needed that.
By Get Real
July 10, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Although this post has turned into a back and forth namecalling fest, I’ll weigh in with my opinion on the the article. If the government of Iraq says they are ready for us to leave, why is there any debate on that? Regardless of what happened before those statements were made from a sovereign nation, and should be honored if this nations intentions of bringing democracy to that region are truthful.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
On yesterday’s topic, does anyone know how much money Pam Stevenson made per year prior to becoming the grady ceo? She should not get one cent more than what she made befor, otherwise she is profiteering on Grady’s misfortune…
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
You’re right on, GetReal, but there is oil to be had, and already the Bushies are slouching toward Bethlehem, so to speak. Where there is oil, there will be blood even if it means Bush needs to kill every single Iraqi to get at it.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
Sorry Jay, this is totally off topic, and I know everyone deserves due process and fair trial, but Brian Nichols? On trial? How in the world did the jury find an impartial jury?
Okay, sorry. Now back to our regularly scheduled topic.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Jay, you’re right! The iraqis want us to leave and leave we should. Leave we shall! The aim was to have an American base in the Middle East from which we could venture out and steal the wealth of other nations, such as Iran. We just can’t seem to find a supplicant we can put into power who would petition the United States for statehood for Iraq. We are being politely shown the door and we need to go through it before it hits us hard in the a*!
By Likud Or Not
July 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
We don’t get our marching orders from Baghdad. We get them from Tel Aviv.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Just say NO to Tel Aviv and AIPAC!
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Algo, try using the word butt sometimes. It’s perfectly acceptable in polite conversation, and you get to spell it all out. There’s also derriere, which would add sonme class to your posts.
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
I don’t know about using the word but, Jay punishes me for writting bad words….but I do think dirty thoughts as I write my posts….guess ah’m a gonna go to hell like them penguins said I would all along….
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
What a blog! I do believe Osama must be blogging from his cave. It sounds like his kind of nonsense. Couldn’t be Americans. Nawww
Let’se see: Iraq War…Religious fanatics (American) took over and started it.
President Bush started a war for no reason. He’s getting innocent kids killed over there.
We must take back control of the Office of the Presidency
For people like Bush, I hope they burn in hell for eternity.
Unlike my hero Jimmy (Carter) blah blah blah…yep, gotta be Osama or Ahmajinebad..
And speaking of removing people from this blog, Bookman should excuse himself. The AJC should not be used as an anti-American tool and this is what this blog has become. I suggest that those who hate America so much read the sign and EXIT!!
By Midori
July 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
I see Crusty forgot to take her pills.
AGAIN.
By Copyleft
July 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
You’re welcome to leave any time, Dusty. After all, your blind support of Bush makes you one of the most America-hating people possible.
Patriotic Americans don’t start wars on other countries who’ve done nothing to us; Bush did.
Patriotic Americans don’t waste our soldiers’ lives on foolish pride; Bush has.
Patriotic Americans follow up on the promise to bring Osama to justice; Bush hasn’t.
The conclusion is pretty much inescapable: if you support Bush, you’re anti-American. Delta’s ready when you are, Dusty!
By George Hussien Washington
July 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
You know, there is a new 1.5 million dollar house down the street from me that has not sold in the 12 months it has been on the market….Just for kicks, I made an offer of 400K for it, the real estate people tried to talk me up, and at first refused to present the offer to the owners. I pointed out that Ga law required all offers in writting be presented to the owners for consideration unless the owners have given other instructions in writting. The owners rejected my offer and made a counter offer. I refused the counter, and told them that if they later wanted to make a deal, my price would be less than 400K. I have nothing to lose in this, but the owners sure have….
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Dusty, the stealth bomber. Yes indeed. She flies in and dumps a load of crap and zooms off. After all, Dusty knows that dung she drops cannot be defended.
By Blogfather
July 10, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
Obama 08: Vision Accomplished.
McCain 08: Voodoo Patriotism.
By Bosch
July 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer and Copyleft,
Dusty’s over there at Wooten’s playing with Mrs. G (another one of my heroes). You challenge the poor woman to a rational conversation and well, you know how that goes.
George Hussein Washington,
Makes you wonder just how much the owners owe on the home and what they are shelling out monthly.
By Jimbo I
July 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Godwin’s law at July 10, 2008 2:42 PM
tsk tsk.
Also, Dusty,
Bush, is a born again Christian. If he’s not a fanatic, he’s at least a fundamentalist (those are usually synonyms).
In the last eight years the Executive branch has become incredibly powerful and it shouldn’t be. Checks and balances that have stood for decades have been destroyed, most because of the spineless nature of the legislative branch and a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly what the judicial branch is supposed to do (I have a heavy rubber mallet that I carry at all times. When someone says “They’re legislating from the bench” I hit them with it.) That was proven today with the passing of the FISA overhaul. The legislative and the executive are both off the reservation and need to be brought to heel because as upholders and defenders of the constitution and protectors and custodians of the people and their will they are absolute and atrocious failures.
As for you enlightened so-called liberals, I would point out readily that Obama voted the FISA overhaul and telecom immunity as well as voting for a version of the PATRIOT Act. McCain voted for everything except the item today and I half expected him to because that’s what he does, he fights teh terrur, usually causing us to lose something in the process. So, that pretty much destroys the big change I keep hearing about and hope and all that bleeding heart crap.
The war in Afghanistan? Righteous, justified.
The war in Iraq, not justified all that well because the intel was bad or even fabricated and in a lot of cases the reasoning was worse.. that can be almost forgiven ( who am I kidding.. no it can’t) if we hadn’t made such a terrible effort at repairing what we broke. I’m in favor of the continued war in Iraq. I think it will save more money and lives in the long run and that we have a responsibility to right what we’ve wronged. This is especially true in Afghanistan where what we’ve wronged is everyone there who isn’t of the Taliban.. civilians, servicemen, and otherwise..
Using Jimmy Carter as a paragon example of a democratic presidency is pretty deceptive. Truman was a democratic president and I might even point out his socialist leanings.. and yet.. he dropped nukes on Japan and pimp slapped MacArthur, something FDR wouldn’t even do, though to FDR’s credit the fire bombing campaigns on axis powers had to have his tacit approval, so he was no joke either.
Let’s try and fight with facts. WE NEED TO FIGHT WITH FACTS.. If we continue to pick sides and run with the rhetoric we all lose.
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
By Jimbo I July 10, 2008 4:18 PM Also, Dusty, Bush, is a born again Christian. If he’s not a fanatic, he’s at least a fundamentalist (those are usually synonyms)
Jimbo I, I believe Dusty’s comment at 3:53PM (Religious fanatics) was take on my 2:17 PM, which had nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
I was merely stating that I objected to people who project themselves as religious, extracting comments from someone’s book, speech, blog (smile); taking the statement(s) totally out of context, and starting malicious rumors.
IMHO, this is not a good example for those who claim to be good moral leaders to set.
Nothing was said about Christain fanatics starting the war. The war in Iraq is not a HOLY WAR, at least from our point of view. Hey, we need the oil!
Speaking of oil, did anyone see T Boone Pickens on CNN? I’m not a big T Boone fan, but IMHO, he’s right on with regards to the oil crisis. We (America) must get to the politicians and big oil companies, and demand stragetic action to develop alternative sources.
By rightytighty
July 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
To “why would one serve” JAY BOOKMAN,
5 reasons why a liberal would want to serve in his country;
1) Free healthcare
2) Free housing
3) No self-responsibility
4) Duty free shopping
5) Lifetime Pension
Well now, that ain’t such a bad deal after all is it… In fact, that’s a GREAT deal for you liberals who strugle to survive in our capitalist society.
By Blogfather
July 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
The surge is an old, old tactic. It’s called anti-insurgency and there’s a book outlining the technique… It works. Nobody doubted it would work. The pentagon begged Bush to implement the counter insurgency techniques in 2003 that would have assured an earlier victory, but noooooo, Rumsfeld and Cheney torpedoed the whole thing.
Bush did nothing wrong, people. He ordered the attack on OBL, in the summer of 2002. We had total victory in our grasps. Bush was spot on. We had the right man in the white house, thank god. Then, the most inexplicable event occurred: Cheney countermanded that order to attack OBL, and Rummy sat on his hands.
I’ll let history label Cheney’s commander-in-chief spasm for what it is. I know that not many of you believe me. You are afraid to know what your conservative king Cheney did behind the scenes in the wake of 911.
But if I ever see Cheney or Rummy in public, I will loudly boo. As loud and as long as I can, I will boo. And point. And make faces. And maybe even moon those two horrid americans….and our founding fathers will applaud my efforts!!
By Dusty
July 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
Dearest upset LIbs,
I WAS QUOTING YOUR OWN REMARKS. Dont’ get mad at me. Look in the mirror and tell that rat.
Yes, Bosch, Mrs.”G” is objecting strenuously to a post made by an ID THIEF using my ID over at Wootens.. “Liberals at Work..ID Thieves”. Go help her. It is safe for you to fight. You won’t get hurt.
Jimbo I,
As far as religion, Bush goes to a church of a main line denomination. There is nothing fundamentalist or color coded about it.
Bush is a straightforward, honest man who is intelligently protecting America. For those too filled with hate and antiwar behavior and oil on their brains to realize that, I can’t help you.
You live in the greatest country in the world and can’t even appreciate it. You don’t realize how pitiful you are, trying to criminalize the man that has led you to safety. I have absolutely no synmpathy for your inability to be rational or thankful.
Goodnight to all, even the losers..
By N-GA
July 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
I found it profoundly interesting when T. Boone Pickens said that the United States could not “drill its way” out of this energy crisis.
And that from a lifelong oilman…..
He even paid for that “ad” himself, and said that his plan to solve the energy crisis would be forthcoming.
Now I await all the “experts” who are demanding that we drill in the ANWR and off the coast….
By Midori
July 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
rightytighty,
you just perfected described Bush and Cheney.
I didn’t know they were liberals!!
who woulda thunk???
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
By JAY BOOKMAN July 10, 2008 1:32 PM Dear Al: From Barkley, explaining why he USED to be Republican: “That was until they went crazy, before all those religious fanatics took over. My man (President Bush) started a war for no reason. He’s getting innocent kids killed over there.”
Oops, before I get lambasted for being arrogant, I believe Dusty’s 3:53PM was in response to the above, to which I responded at 2:17 PM with a statement regarding fanaticism. All set now? I thought so. Dinner awaits; we’re having pork chops.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
Whoosh. What was that at 5:09. Oh, just another worthless load from Dusty, the stealth bomber. Time to pull out the wading boots.
By Blogfather
July 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Dusty is doing the best she can………
By Blogfather
July 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
By the way: The surge is the way the Nazis cleaned Warsaw Ghetto of Jews.(fact)
It’s a Cheney/Hitler joint.
By Mike Hussein S
July 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this
I hate to see what Dusty throws up when the full moon comes next week.
Yeah, the T Boone ad is a true shocker. Maybe he’s cornered the market on natural gas, which he seems to be pushing, or turned into a Democrat. He certainly seems sincere — and ready to go.
By @@
July 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Blogfarter:
From Wooten’s…..
please little decorum on this forum.
This coming from a blogger who has consistently namejacked me and others over the years when he/she wasn’t using a myriad of names to throw everyone off?
Blogfarter it is.
Learn to live with it buddy. We’ve learned to live with you and your nasty little blog habits.
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this
By N-GA July 10, 2008 5:09 PM
N-GA, thanks for your comment.
I’ve tried to educate myself regarding this oil crisis, but unfortunately unlike many of the nutsies who post here, I’m not an authority on everything.
I also await with bated breath, Picken’s plan to solve the energy crisis. All reliable sources state that drilling in ANWAR etc. would equate with placing a bandaid on an elephant’s behind, i.e. saving one little drop of blood.
I cringe when I hear people say, “There’s enough oil to last years, if we’d only drill….” Baah humbug. At any rate, it’ll be interesting to see how they respond to THE BIG OIL MAN.
Definitely out of here now; pork chops aburnin.
By @@
July 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Link to this
Pickens’ plan will take ten years to complete.
He’s buying the turbines from General Electric who ignores sanctions placed on Iran.
I’ll agree with him in that this endeavor should be undertaken by the private sector.
By jasper
July 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
T Boone Pickens is an investor people. He’s been for all intents and purposes out of the “Oil” busines since 82 and became one the worst corporate raiders and green mailers our coutnry has ever seen. Now his financial interests lie in wind and solar development. What do you think he would say about drilling.
You libbies tire me. Research the facts and think for yourself, its part of becoming self reliant.
NO Experience NO Substance NObama 08!
By N-GA
July 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
I understand now. If someone who has interests in wind/solar energy suggests that as a strategy, then it must be WRONG!
I just returned from Europe. I drove East to West across the Iberian peninsula. Thousands of wind turbines and hundreds of solar arrays. They understand the problem…they don’t have to cater to the oil companies because their politicians aren’t relying on oil company cash!
By Morningstar
July 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
By N-GA July 10, 2008 6:51 PM
Politicians and oil companies, there lies the problem. Wouldn’t it be interesting if we’d listened to Jimmy Carter way back in 77?
We coulda been there. Oh well, better late than never.
By Taxpayer
July 10, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this
Morningstar @ 6:33,
If the politicians have taught me anything over the years, it is the need to study their words VERY closely. Unless it’s impromptu, their statements were most likely cleverly contrived to say one thing while potentially meaning one or more entirely different things. That said, any given statement about there being enough oil in a given location to last for years can be made to be either a true or false statement depending on the unstated assumptions used to create the statement. For example (and this is just one of many scenarios), if I have a known reserve of say 4 billion barrels in one location and I tap into that reserve with sufficient wells to extract say 200,000 barrels per day, then the particular reserve is subjected to a fixed pumping constraint, regardless of demand, that will ensure that the oil lasts for 4 billion / (200,000 x 365 days/yr) = 55 years. That reserve will almost last a lifetime and yet only supply a fraction of the amount consumed on a daily basis. Conversely, if enough were (or could be in some cases) drawn from this reserve to satisfy the current US demand, it would be like trying to douse a forest fire with a garden hose that’s sucking the last drops from lake Lanier. In fact, I think BP has quite a bit of info. published on ANWR, Prudhoe Bay, Thunder Horse, etc.
By Blogfather
July 10, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this
Obama 08: Vision Accomplished.
Did anyone see McCain (voodoo Patriot), field that viagra/birthcontrol question? He froze, he dawdled, and he stunk the place up. He’s weird. He just froze, for a long time, man.
That’s a coming attraction of the debates, people.
It’s an embarrassment for America. I’m already embarrassed for this poor old man, and for the blowfish who worship Wootie and the dead conservative movement.
Conservatism is dead and piled high on the trash heap of history.
By Bud Wiser
July 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this
To Algonquin J. Calhoun, yes, I have returned! (ruffles and flourishes) I am the voice of sanity, of reason, of truth, justice, and the American way!! (flag waving)
I really don’t consider myself a moron, however. I retired at 54 a multimillionaire (if you consider 2-2.5 mil multi).
I guess you could say what makes me conservative is the burning desire to hold on to that money for myself and my heirs, and not being taken by the government through new and higher taxes, and being redistributed to the classic do-nothing idiots like yourself and your welfare crowd. Any objection? Tough s*, go get your own.
Ha ha ha ha ha…..(the sound of me going to the bank, or calling my investment manager, every day for the good news!)
Clink, jingle…..the sound of either:
a: your total net worth in your baggy pants pocket; financially; or value to the human race in general
b: the marbles in your skull colliding
Have a nice day.
By Hollywoodenheads!
July 10, 2008 8:35 PM | Link to this
Redford on Barry Obama.
“I think Obama is not tall on experience … but I believe he’s a really good person. He’s smart. And he does represent what the country needs most now, which is change.
NO EXPERIENCE!
HE’S A REALLY GOOD PERSON!
HE’S SMART!
OMG WHAT A MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By donald
July 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this
We invaded a soverign nation albeit, one ruled by a dictator we once supported. Now, the citizens want their country back and we have the gall to thumb our noses at their request. What moral leg do we have to stand on at this point!? We invaded a country illegally, plain and simple. Bush wants his oil buddies to carve up Iraq, just like they did other countries in the old days, this time however, the Iraqi people are not having it. Bush sent troops there to die, and he has a hand in the slaughter and killing of hundreds of thousands if Iraqi citizens. THE BLOOD IS ON HIS, CHENEY’S AND RICE’S HANDS!!It’s time for our troops to come home and send those three clowns over there PERMANENTLY to live amongst the people they claimed they liberated.
Hey communenutajc so you have a joke degree from Duke, isn’t that the school where frats hire strippers for parties. Frankly, every Duke grad I’ve ever met was dumber than snot so your degree from Duke is akin to toilet tissue so start wipin’!!
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this
Bud (none the) Wiser, your laughter is hollow and not genuine. The truth about you is that you are an imbecilic Republinazi who hasn’t the intellect of a grape. If you have substantial wealth it was bequeathed to you from some more intelligent and resourceful relative who looked into the future and, rightfully, envisioned you destitute and indigent if you had to make your own way in the world. I doubt you have any significant financial resources and your investment manager is the guy who sells you your lottery tickets. Beyond your low monetary station in life there is the issue of your moral bankruptcy. You view your fellow human beings as being beneath you but believe me b*** there is nothing beneath you! As for heirs, I doubt you have any. Butt, in order to have heirs you have to have had sex with a woman. We know that hasn’t happened. Who would you leave the bills to. We know that’s all you could leave behind to your Domestic Partner. As for my baggy pants, they’re baggy for a reason b***. Now carry your stupid butt down to the Jiffy Mart and buy you some more lottery tickets in the hope that you can reverse your miserable, failed life. Night b***!
By Bud Wiser
July 10, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this
As usual the moronic rantings slobber forth from Al Calhouns slit in his face. I could care less what you believe about my personal wealth, you tool. You haven’t the brain power to speak, so you must be getting your incestuous sister to type this for you. In a war of wits, you are an unarmed imbecile. God knows you haven’t the financial kick of a dead broke quadraplegic. I’ll go to the bank tomorrow….you go down to the welfare office and get your check.
You are laughably stupid.
By GodHatesTrash
July 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this
When you say Butt Whiner, you’ve said it all.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this
That retort was so sad. You know you haven’t the intellectual ammunition to engage in any sort of debate with me. I certainly know it! You are financially, morally and intellectually bereft. You should quit now, while you can slink away with your a*-face merely slapped a bit. You’ll go to the bank tomorrow? Well, we’re all impressed. Lots of people will go to the bank tomorrow. I’ll be making a significant deposit. What about you? Paying off some bad checks? That’s probably the extent of your business there. Too bad your economically deprived parents didn’t have the resources to send your dumb a* to college. Did you even graduate from high school? From what I’ve seen of your scribblings I’d have to hazard a guess that you didn’t make it beyond tenth grade. do us a favor b*** and take your illiterate a* to bed with your domestic partner and dream your little Hitleresque, pathetic dreams. Night b***!
By JAY BOOKMAN
July 10, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this
Budwiser, if you’re calling your investment manager every day and getting GOOD news the past few weeks … well, send me the name of your investment manager, I could use him.
In the meantime, why don’t you and Al both go sleep it off. Acting macho over the Internet …. it’s a cheap game.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
July 10, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this
Goodnight everyone.
By Wa;ter Morykwas
July 12, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Jay Bookman’s article on the occupation of Iraq was published on July 12th in the Las Vegas Sun. Coincidentally, my letter to the editor of the Sun will be published this weekend. Here is my letter: To the editor:
In May 2007 President Bush was quoted as saying “It’s their [Iraq] government’s choice. If they were to say “Leave”, we would leave”. On July 8, 2008 Iraq Prime Minister al-Maliki was quoted as saying that his country wants a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. On July 9, 2008 Iraq Security Advisor al-Rubale said that his government “would not sign an agreement governing the future role of U.S. troops in Iraq unless it includes a timetable for their withdrawal.” He added that his government is “patiently waiting” for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. On July 9, 2008 Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said “As the Iraqi security forces get stronger and get better, then we will be able to continue drawing down our troops in the future. However long that takes really will depend on the situation on the ground”. Question: What about President Bush’s statement that we would leave Iraq if asked to by the Iraq government? The situation in Iraq has improved considerably over this past year, so much so that their government believes that the time is right for the departure of all “foreign” troops from their country. The vast majority of Iraqi and American citizens agree. We must not allow our current administration to summarily reject this plea. The United States is a government of the people. Let we the people insist that our government engage in a serious negotiation with the Iraqi government with the objective of removing all troops from Iraq as soon as possible. Walter Morykwas
By Billary
July 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
What most folks have missed in PM Maliki’s troop withdrawal statement is the influence by Barack Obama that he will withdraw troops from Iraq and cut off major funding for the Iraqi government. It’s time the Iraqis stand up for themselves. With McBush in power, Miliki would be crying that he needs wore time to stabilize his country. McBush has already stated that he will stay in Iraq virtually forever and provide the Iraqis with billions of American money. Of course, many Republican supportors cheer for this position since it also provides them with American taxpayers money, especially American oil companies. Obama can get us out of this mess. Go Barack, Go!!
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July 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
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The market is in the part of the cycle where you short the rallies. then you cover and that’s how the market can bounce 300 points so fast. Then you short into the rally again. It’s a great way to make money.
Shorts.
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