Jay Bookman

By Copyleft

July 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

I sometimes wonder if Mussolini would’ve been too liberal for some of our fellow Georgians….

By hillbilly ragger

July 7, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

This is a joke, right?

By hillbilly ragger

July 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

I guess I kinda hope this straw poll thingie winds up breaking big for the “yes” side, so that Gwinnettian Goopers will try to adopt even more out-of-touch stances on the issues.

At the moment, Gwinnett county is still pretty solidly Republican, but there’s been a crapload of new people—immigrants and northeastern transplants—who are here and who are just now getting around to register to vote. I suspect the righties are going to be in for a shock, if not in 2008 then by 2010 or so.

And maybe we’ll finally be rid of the stupidity that is John Linder, author of Jay’s Favoritist Tax Book Evah.

By ByteMan

July 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

Too funny. See page 12:

Candidates and Questions for July 15, 2008 Primary Election (PDF)

You think they’re feeling a bit insecure about now?

By GodHatesTrash

July 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Let’s not forget Georgia’s historical role as the capitol of lynching, as a Confederate and Klan stronghold, and just the general sky-high rate of stupidity. Anyone left of Hitler or Atilla the Hun doesn’t have much of a chance.

By Man2Man

July 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Jay, it’s not that the GOP is 2lib4ga. It’s that the conservatives have lost any sense of the binds that tied them to America. America is a foreign land to conservatives now, because it is truly a rainbow of immigrants: swarthy, tired and poor, wretched and man oh man aren’t we beautiful!

Americans R beautiful. The conservatives have become Saudi Puppets, and fat bellies, and white round fatheads who cant be trusted not to sell America out to whatever foreign interest will suit them.

We are going to achieve JUSTICE in our lifetime. With or without the conservatives.

Obama 08: B4 U vote4change, B of 1 heart, +remember our flag is 4 1+all.

By James Winslo

July 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this

“….from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage”

Jay: You are correct - way too far to the left. And based on the history of nations that is right on schedule. The way I see it, we are already way into the apath/dependence stage.

But …….. all my friends out there - go ahead and scoff. We’re just a few strokes behind the once great nation of England whose highest judge is in favor of Sharia law and the police now have to put “booties” on their police dogs so as not to offend Muslims when they conduct a search warrant. So much for your “rainbow of immigrants” drivel. The root word of “diversity” is divide and we are well on our way to “Bosnification”.

Remember Mr. Frog in the kettle !

By Taxpayer

July 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Rove managed to get a bunch of little factions together long enough to vote for the compassionate conservative Republican, Bush. That’s where Rove’s work ended though. Now, the GOP is nothing but a rag-tag fugitive fleet wandering about the states in search of that philosophy that they can call their home base. If Georgia’s elected ones provided any insight into that search during last years’ legislative session then good luck with that.

By Analchord

July 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

We’re real scared of ourselves.

You are a cliche-meister, James Winslo, you threw in everything except, “I have met the enemy and he is US!”

Some folks simply cant defend themselves. Some folks cant fend for themselves. Some folks have disabilities. Some folks need a doctor, they’re old and sick. Some young folks contract cancer.

Justice will live in this country, despite the best efforts of the racist elitists who confound every effort to achieve that justice.

Obama 08: The face of a country can be found in it’s heart.

McCain 08: Rename your French Fries, or maybe you dont feel so good tomorrow, you traitor scum 911 coward.

By cappy

July 7, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

this is because comments are closed on your obit of carlin , the last time i heard such a mean spirited hit piece on a beloved american artist it was from some fascist on fox about vonnegut. you are such vile tools of the wrong wing of the establishment ,carlin gives eliteist creeps like you hives , i for one will be happy when fascist mouthpieces like you croak, you ,unlike carlin will not be missed

By ByteMan

July 7, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Do you believe that the Republican Party has moved too far to the political left?

What exactly does a “No” vote mean? That they haven’t moved too far to the left or that they haven’t moved far enough?

Inquiring minds…

By TopCat

July 7, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

Jay, I bet that was you who Cynthia Tucker was writing about recently, �the cheap skate� who was seen buying the roll of duct tape from the bum out front of the AJC for a buck wasn�t it�.No doubt that was our �little� el Duche.

By Analchord

July 7, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Obama 08: He leads.

By Analchord

July 7, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

McCain 08: Sure, he renamed his French Fries. So what? He also pierced his McNuggets with a flag lapel pin. You want to make a federal case out of it? Voodoo Patriotism is better than that shoe lighter Obama, word.

Common Sense 08: You decide.

By James Winslo

July 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Link to this

To Analchord:

Chill out. McCain may be the “Elephant in the Room” but Obama is a “Trojan Donkey” ……….

By Jay's brother

July 7, 2008 10:12 PM | Link to this

Totally unrelated, but I was compelled to comment b/c Obama supporters are acting like idol worshippers (I didn’t come up with that one) rather than voters. Plus my brother Jay’s blog topic is totally ho-hum. So here are some facts for you to chew on:

Obama now states troop withdrawl in Iraq will be directed by events on the ground—so much for one battalion per month now that things are looking good

Obama refuses public campaign funds, breaking an earlier promise

Obama threatens to withdraw from NAFTA while at the same time sending underlings to Canada that he doesn’t MEAN it

Reverses position to filibuster any bill that contains immunity for telecom companies—ooohh, the Moveon.org guys must love that one

Previously stated DC handgun ban WAS constitutional but now thanks the Supreme Court for “much needed guidance”

Voted “present” in 129 Senate votes—surely some of them must have been interesting or important enough to him

I could go on and on. I was truly hoping for a “change” candidate—but he is the exact epitome of a lawyer-politician.

Now the leftist on this blog will try to divert attention from all this and point out all of McCain’s positions and flip-flops(of which there are many). Yet none of his supporters will address Obama’s “change” in positions. They’re so enthralled with his looks and silky voice—he could yell “FIRE!” in a crowded room and all they would do is cheer.

By GodHatesTrash

July 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

Axis Annie, Tokyo Rose, Hanoi Jane - oh and John Songbird McCain - all made propaganda for the enemy.

Hanoi John. Sang like a bird!

By hillbilly ragger

July 8, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

Jay’s bro, there isn’t a single one of the “flip flops” you’d posted that stands up well to scrutiny.

1) Iraq—no change. He’s always said that his plans for troop withdrawal will depend upon the situation at hand.

2) The “promise” was to try to work out a deal with the Republican nominee. It takes two parties to make a deal. They couldn’t. No change there.

3) The “sending underlings to Canada” story—if you’re going to repeat that disputed tale, at least try to get some of the facts straight. What “underlings” were sent? I’ve read stories that had it as Clinton’s reps contacting Canada, and in any case, it’s almost certainly made-up crap from the Conservative government looking to throw a money wrench in the Dem primary. Anyway, no change there.

4) The DC Handgun bill—so friggin’ what? It’s almost impossible to say what the Scalia court is going to declare “constitutional” in a given week. If the court says isn’t constitutional, it’s constitutional. But that’s an almost-valid knock. Congrats. You’re one for five, on a weak, broken-bat flare to short right field.

5) Want to compare “voting present,” bro? McCain did it nearly twice as often during the same period Obama served as Senator!

Overall, on the flip-flopping—you really want to go there? you really want to stack up Obama’s consistency on the issues with McCain, who has actually authored legislation that he no longer agrees with? Be my guest.

By hillbilly ragger

July 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

By the way, there are typos in both parties’ straw poll questions. Pretty embarrassing.

GOP — First question: “bailout” should be two words, not one, in this sentence

Dems — Seventh question: “it’s” should be its.

By Goldie

July 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

HA— The Gwinnett Republicans are just one reason why GA is still struggling to come out of the 19th century! Another reason would be Cobb Republicans, Forsyth Republicans, and a few others…

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 8, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

The Republican party has moved to far…. around the bend!

By GodHatesTrash

July 8, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this

Biggest flip-flop of all - Hanoi John surrendered to the enemy and made propaganda videos for them. Now he’s a hero?

How did that happen?

By hillbilly ragger

July 8, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

GodH @ 8.15, I don’t fault Senator McCain for telling his captors what they wanted to hear after being tortured.

Fact is, for years McCain was a lonely voice of sanity among Republicans on the issue of state-sanctioned torture. Unfortunately (tragically, really) when push came to shove, he wound up backing Bush on the question of whether the Army field manual practices should apply to the CIA.

That’s a flip flop, but I take no pleasure in citing it. I honestly thought better of the Senator.

By GMAN

July 8, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

I�m not impressed with McCain�s credentials. I don�t see how crashing a plane on a carrier deck, getting shot down, wrestling with old men like Strom Thurmond, using the f-word liberally, dumping a cancer-stricken wife in favor of a rich one and committing adultery, engaging in the Keating Five scandal, making propaganda videos for the enemy, and telling his captors what they wanted to hear after being tortured qualifies him to be president. Oh, how the list keeps growing!

By Eric1

July 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

McCain ditched his principles and jumped off the ‘straight talk express’ in an effort to woo the wingnuts. He’s flip flopped on almost every issue. Now it’s his lack of character which is an issue for me. Obama 08!!!

By TW

July 8, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

MsSame surrendered?!

McSame made propoganda video for the enemy?!

Do the Sh!tfloat Veterans know about any of this?????????

By American War

July 8, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly, McCain’s sin is not from his captivity. It’s how he folded in the 2000 election when Bush was onstage with a swiftboater and they torpedoed McCain’s service record. Then, at a filmed meeting, McCain challenged Bush about the swiftboating and Bush started yelling hatfeful epitaphs at McCain who folded and cowered, and stopped dead in his tracks, and shrugged, and practically said, “nevermind”. Like Bush HAD SOMETHING on him.

What could deserter Bush have on McCain? The proof of his wet start accident on the Forrestal? The proof of his philandering? What?

When the truth gets out about what scalawags are in power in the GOP, the American people will exile them all to the Isle of Elba.

Put that in your crossword puzzle and stroke it.

By Carpetbagger

July 8, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

This kind of question on a ballot makes me wonder if Lincoln should have sent Sherman packing and let the south go do its thing. I might have actually voted Republican if he did.

Questions like this make me think that a hypothetical Confederate States of America would probably have sided with the Nazis and we would have had a North American front in WWII.

That’s just speculation based on ideology though. The racism, blood purity, emphasis on family and religion above all common morality, love of war, and pure pragmatism towards conquest all seem to jive with the Third Reich pretty well.

The Union could have enacted a containment policy for rednecks and fat slaveowners. It would have collapsed on its own long ago instead of letting the rednecks have talk radio and the slaveowners having their day laborers and rent-to-own stores.

Maybe all the immigrants and northerners will just breed ‘em out one day. That’d be the peaceful solution.

Ah to rant at work…

By Jay's brother

July 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly, thx for at least addressing the issues rather than hurling your usual insults.

1) No change in Iraq? In 1/07 Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation act—to remove combat soldiers starting 5/07. Now he’s “re-evaluating” and finish complete pull out by 3/08—I wonder if things would look as good now in Iraq if that bill passed?

2) Obama and NAFTA - in 2/08 Austin Goolsbee (senior economic advisor to Obama) meets with Canadian officials to “clarifiy” Obama “withdraw from NAFTA” speech

3) in 11/07, Obama tells Midwest Democracy Network that since McCain had agreed to accept public funds for general election, he will as well. Again, no “change” there, huh?

4) you never addressed his pledge to filisbuster any telecom bill that provides immunity which he has since broken

5) handguns—“big friggin deal”—Really???

I will give you credit re: McCains “present” voting though. But you are wrong, I’m not the one who was 1 for 5. You were the one who was 1 for 6

The more things “change”, the more they stay the same, as in another smooth talking lying politician

By Mike

July 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

So what? You should hear the ranting liberals who come to my door looking for money and the garbage they spew.

As usual, Bookman is just looking for the daily attack on those who don’t hew to liberal ideology.

Hey Jay, you ever going to acknowledge how dead wrong you were on the surge? Better yet, why don’t you write another post about how Bush won’t admit his mistakes?

By Mike

July 8, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Hillbilly Ragger -

You are spinning yourself into the ground in your desperate attempt to stick to partisan positions.

Serious liberals like Bob Herbert are intellectually honest enough to assess the facts:

“He seems to believe that his shifts and twists and clever panders � as opposed to bold, principled leadership on important matters � will entice large numbers of independent and conservative voters to climb off the fence and run into his yard.

Maybe. But that�s a very dangerous game for a man who first turned voters on by presenting himself as someone who was different, who wouldn�t engage in the terminal emptiness of politics as usual.

Time flies and the Iowa caucuses seem a very long time ago.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/opinion/08herbert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Herbert may be a partisan, but at least he is intellectually honest enough to face reality instead of just bleating out whatever spin supports his candidate.

By w*******

July 8, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

First-on topic- The Republicans in GA won’t be happy until all vestiges of minorities, civility, and democracy are wiped out for those who don’t LOOK like them.

Also, with regard to Obama’s flip-flops…I’ve been doing research…and am wondering WHY the O campaign hasn’t shot back with these McCain blunders/flip-flops.

Flip-Flops: http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm

out of touch with reality? http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001056.htm

By CJ

July 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

“[Obama] seems to believe that his shifts and twists and clever panders…”

Official John McCain Flip-Flop List containing 62 “shifts and twists” to date.

Indeed, the so-called liberal media is, in fact, John McCain’s base.

By Jimbo I

July 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

TW,

John McCain’s sin in the Forrestal disaster was being in one of two possible aircraft hit by a Zuni rocket.

Regardless of how you feel about the man politically, he is blameless in the Forrestal fire. In fact, if you want to judge how he reacts under pressure you can observe him in the films calmly extricating himself from his aircraft, jumping off the nose and escaping the ensuing blast. I believe he then returned to help fight the fire. Your interpretation of the incident shows a few things about you.

As for his capture, you try fighting back with three of your four limbs broken.

Item 4. People are ignorant of the stresses of a zero/zero ejection seat. People commonly come out of those with broken bones and an inch or two shorter. It ain’t like the movies.

As for his confession.. everyone broke. Everyone breaks, it’s an ugly truth of being a PoW. The best you can hope for is to hold out as long as possible. In fact as a result of the Vietnam war the philosophy around breaking changed from one of “hold until you die” to a more realistic “Everyone breaks, it’s just a matter of how long”.

I’m not a big fan of McCain, I’m not a big fan of Obama, but let’s at least no pretend we’re seeking some greater truth when we misrepresent facts about either of them.

(I’m voting H5N1 ‘08 for real change.)

By Mike

July 8, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

By w*

“First-on topic- The Republicans in GA won�t be happy until all vestiges of minorities, civility, and democracy are wiped out for those who don�t LOOK like them.”

Do you have any backup for this ignorant and hateful statement.

If you are going to accuse millions of people of being genocidal and barbaric fascists, the least you can do is provide some backup.

Otherwise, you just come off as a hateful and ignorant person who is too insecure in his own views that he needs to demonize any who feel differently.

By Jimbo I

July 8, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

The funny thing about this passionate for the candidates, the furious re-vitalization of the American voter is that in the end it’ll just be another “Dont’ blame me, I voted for Kodos” election.

Just like Bush vs. Kerry

Just like Bush vs. Gore

By Mike

July 8, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

CJ -

Even if the hyper-partisan blog you cite is correct, does that make Obama’s change in positions any more palatable to you?

Does McCain’s “flip flops” make you feel better that Bush’s wiretaps will continue as before? That we will have an open-ended committment in Iraq? That the public election finance system has been ended? etc, etc, etc.

It seems like you (and most liberals on this baord) don’t really care about the issues at all. You are just going to support “your guy” and attack “their guy”, regardless of their policies. Serious liberals have voiced concern over policy shifts. It is only the hardcore partisans who stick by their candidate with no criticism, no matter what his policies are.

By JackLeg

July 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

You Georgia dumacrats crack me up; you all say how the republicans have messed up the state. LOL this shows the true stupidity of the Georgia voters. Georgia has been until the last decade 100% dumacrat run since the early 1800�s. Wow I am proud that the republicans have torn down in 10 years what took over 100 years for dumacrats to build. ROLOL�  Osama 08. or is it Hussein 08, oh to heck with it I will vote for Mickey Mouse again, he is better than either one.

By The Strangler

July 8, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Are you nutbags asphyxiating from the thought of Barack Obama becoming the next President of the U.S. yet??

Good!! (LOL)

By GaDawg

July 8, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Bookman, Obama will win the State of Atlanta this Fall and the Mayor and all her hacks will be in line for Federal Jobs who do you think will be the new mayor? Could Campbell make a comeback?

By Jimbo I

July 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

At least Mussolini made the trains run on time.

No one, democrat or republican, can say that in this city.

By NRA Life Member

July 8, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

These arguments are hilarious! Obama is immensely unqualified and is nothing more than a re-packaged Ted Kennedy while McCain is psycho neocon who gets his briefings from AEI and the other neocon organs. We need a viable third party with sensible people who don’t want to conquer the world or create a Socialist pseudo-utopia.

By Common Sense

July 8, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

I was an Edwards supporter (still am), then a Hillary supporter (still am), and now an Obama supporter. Why? I am more aligned with teh domocratic stance than the repoublican. That doesn’t mean I don’t agree with republican’s some time - but more than often with the democrats. That being said, no matter what either candidate flip flops on, or brings to the table, Obama was the one who quickly figured out this country WANTS change. We have to have a break from the Bush years which have devastated this country. Bush is so aligned with the republicans, the Christian right, the neocons, we are all voting for the one thing that is the farthest from Bush - at this point it would be Obama. Georgia on the other hand, was never 48 in education, higher in gas prices than Ala or Fla, and the laughing stock of the country until the republicans got hold of it so JackLeg - you better review your history. We were doing fine until sonny!

By Swiftboat McCain Now

July 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

The ironic thing about this poll and its subject matter is that it seems to infer that a more moderate conservative ideology is somehow less redeeming than a hard core, extremist position.

They can’t help themselves, evidently. They’ve spent so many years painting ALL Democrats as left wing fanatics, that they had to fashion THEMSELVES as right wing extremists in order to make the illusion more real.

What America needs more of is moderation: centrist Democrats and centrist Republicans. Relegate the extremists of both ideologies to the corners of our political spectrum where they belong.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t suit Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Jim Wooten, or the arch-conservative Georgia Republicans, but it makes a helluva lot more sense than an America divided.

By Bob

July 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Man2Man, Go ahead and vote for an Islamic sleeper in the White House. What is says now is not what he has done before. Check him out, not just what the media want to tell you.

By DaveD

July 8, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

GA! ALWAYS “last” in education!….(and showing it each AND EVERY DAY)!!!!!

It makes perfect logic as to why the world laughs “at” GA…and not “with” GA!…

ALL test scores show the “true” results…

They do not lie…..they show that people in GA…are TRULY last in education…and just “dumber” than the rest of the nation..

hell…there are STILL idiots in GA that think that Iraq has something to do with 9-11….

Actually….there are THOUSANDS in GA that still think the war on “terror” is still being faught there….

They do not realize…the “war on terror”…is the “terror” the US places upon the world.

Same jury needs to deal with Bush/Cheney that had Saddam…

Hand them over for the war crimes…

They’ve killed WAY more innocent people…WAY MORE!

Bush and Cheney!…put them on trial in Iraq!

By Huac

July 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Everybody’s got stuff. I don’t have much stuff. Is Obama gonna give me stuff? I want my stuff!

By Man2Man

July 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Bob I would vote for him if he were a mullah.

Have you hugged a mullah today?

We already have a highpriest in the white house in our born again idiot.

Notice how they’re spinning Iraq now? Like chasing Al Queda wannabes and Phonoy Al Queda Goonsquad franchisees out of Iraq (when they weren’t there in 2003) is the victory?

There’s only one part of the puzzle I dont get: How long before our Saudi Masters demand we cover up all our women?

That’s right. Saudi Masters. We’ve been sold down the river to the Saudis.

By CJ

July 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Mike @12:14: “It seems like you (and most liberals on this board) don�t really care about the issues at all. You are just going to support �your guy� and attack �their guy�, regardless of their policies.”

Mike,

To answer your questions, I strongly support Obama’s reversal on campaign financing and strongly oppose his reversal on FISA. Despite the “liberal” media’s (McCain’s base) assertions to the contrary, there have been no other “flip-flops”.

With regard to FISA, I’m not a single issue voter. So, yes, I still support “my guy” over “their guy”, and it has everything to do with issues..

Undoubtedly, you still support “your guy” regardless of his 62 documented and supported flip-flops. It seems like you (and most conservatives on this board) don�t really care about the issues at all. You are just going to support �your guy� and attack �their guy�, regardless of their policies. Serious conservatives have voiced concern over policy shifts. It is only the hardcore partisans who stick by their candidate with no criticism, no matter what his policies are.

By Typical Democrat Voter

July 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Hello all,

I am a typical democrat voter. I am a grown adult but would rather not take any responsiblity for my own welfare. I would rather be a parasite and leach off the high achievers in our society. I prefer the government to be my new mommy and daddy. It can take from the achievers and give me food and shelter and all I have to do is sit on my lazy bum all day long. I thought about actually getting a job at Wal-Mart but they only pay 6-7 bucks and hour. That is beneath me. I feel much better about my government check every two weeks. I am voting for Obama because he is for change. He will change the amount of taxes that are stolen from the achievers and give more to me. He is even going to give me Health Care. YIPPEE!!! The bottom line is I am pathetic but I don’t really care as long as the checks roll in.

Atlas Shrugged folks!!! It is only a matter of time.

By Dexter

July 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Theres a reason I don’t subscribe to the Ajc. Its a worthless rag on par with most of the big papers. I accidently stumbled onto this link long enough for a good laugh. To the Liberals on this list, I applaud your comments, but your dealing with suburbanites whose only motivation in life is to breed, consume, and talk about shallow things that no intellegent person would give a second thought to. You are better off not wasting your time and energy here and posting on a site where people actually read the publication. Leave the suborbanites to their cheep cookie cutter houses, SUVs, and pseudo-intellectal political commentators. We all know the gig is up, it’s their grave, they dug it, now its their turn to lie in it.

By JeepersCreepers

July 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I can not wait for OBAMA and the lefty liberals to take over!!! Wow this will be so much fun in the blogs! Of course there will famine and distress. But we will have fun blaming the liberals. And after WWWIII and when the environmentalist can not save the planet in the ideological minds, and life expectancy drops to the 20’s 30’s, we can all say it’s the liberals to blame. But the liberals of course will say, “Bush Lied!”. Wow, what fun is to come! However, I am a conservative and I am voting for McCain.

By Skeptic Tank

July 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

All you fools who opine that bringing a liberal into office will automatically signal tax increases, hand-outs, and a compromised military are ill-informed about our national politics.

Unlike the Bush administration, which used executive fiat and national security as a cover for all its misdeeds, distortions, and propaganda, and allowed a Republican Congress and a complicit press to obfuscate and pass its proposed legislation…Barack Obama will need to moderate his leadership in order to pass anything in an evenly-divided Congress.

See, Bushies: not ALL presidents are dictator wannabes.

By Mike

July 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

By CJ

July 8, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Mike @12:14:

“Despite the �liberal� media�s (McCain�s base) assertions to the contrary, there have been no other �flip-flops�.

A lot of liberals feel differntly regarding his new stance on capital punishment, gun control, faith based initiatives and open-ended commitment in Iraq.

“With regard to FISA, I�m not a single issue voter. So, yes, I still support �my guy� over �their guy�, and it has everything to do with issues..”

Duly noted.

“Undoubtedly, you still support �your guy� regardless of his 62 documented and supported flip-flops. It seems like you (and most conservatives on this board) don�t really care about the issues at all.”

I won’t deny that I lean towards McCain, but I could vote for Obama depending on how his positions shake out. I voted for Clinton twice and considered Kerry in 04.

“You are just going to support �your guy� and attack �their guy�, regardless of their policies.”

See above.

“Serious conservatives have voiced concern over policy shifts. It is only the hardcore partisans who stick by their candidate.”

Not really true.

First of all, who are the conservatives who have voiced concerns over McCain’s policy shifts?

I know you were being clever by copying and pasting my own words, but it doesn’t work if the fact don’t back up the new paragraph.

Second, McCain has already made a lot of conservatives angry by not supporting “conservative policies” and I know many that are planning to sit out in 08. (The idea is that Obama would be such a failure that a “real” conservative could win in 12. Sounds pretty dumb to me.)

Finally, that McCain has been a centrist for a long time, something that hurt him with those who believed in staunch “conservative policies”. If anything, he has flopped to the right, not the center. As a result, he isn’t upsetting his partisan base when he does the things your list says. In fact almost every flop McCain has done has been brining him more in line with partisan values.

Go back and read your list. Doesn’t look like any of it conflicts with conservitve partisan positions.

At the end of the day, McCain knows that conservative partisans are not a lock to vote for him, so he shifted to the right. Obama takes the liberal partisans for granted and is moving to the right as well.

The question is how far to the right can he go and still be the liberal candidate Democrats voted for in the primaries.

(Side note: if Americans are so against conservative policies, why do both candidates feel the path to victory is a shift to the right?)

By Gandalf, the Grey

July 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Why are you still working for this paper?

By DaveD

July 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

hey republican idiots…tell me now…HOW are those Bubble Boy Bush tax breaks still doing with regards to stimulating the economy?

The only thing “stimulated” in this country right now is both Larry Craig and Ted Haggard at their next NAMBLA meeting!

By CommunistAJC

July 8, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

JAY, Wow, your life must be easy. Did you stay up all night thinking about how to write that paragraph and call it a column?

DaveD, You’ve got some serious mental issues. I figured you would like government checks since you are on welfare. That NAMBLA comment was kind of funny but a little off.

By CJ

July 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Mike said, “A lot of liberals feel differently regarding his new stance on capital punishment, gun control, faith based initiatives and open-ended commitment in Iraq.”

Mike,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, buy you’re still misinformed on a number of issues.

Liberals may not like Obama’s positions on capital punishment and gun control, but they’re not, in any way, new (anybody who thinks so should read his book). In addition, informed liberals (Bob Herbert notwithstanding) actually support Obama’s faith-based proposals (also not a flip-flop) which, unlike Bush, respects the separation of church and state. Finally, despite assertions to the contrary, Obama hasn’t changed his position on Iraq at all.

The fact remains that Obama reversed his position on exactly two issues—one reversal was good and the other was bad. Yet, he’s getting flack for “lacking conviction” while the press stays silent on Mr. McCain’s 62 reversals. I feel compelled to do my part to set the record straight.

By Borat Obama

July 8, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this

What’s it matter? Flip, flops. Who cares. Why even bother to vote any more? Neither party has anything, in the way of candidates, to offer. If you people aren’t smart enough to realize that each candidate is bought and paid for by some special interest, whom they will be indentured to, then there’s no hope.

By GaLiberal

July 8, 2008 9:53 PM | Link to this

I have lived in GA for over 25 years and watched as the far right religoNazis have dominated the state. If GA continues its move to the right, it will become a island in the Atlantic. It’s too bad that people continue to vote for these Rethuglicons who continue to push a white supremacist, Christian, moralistic agenda. They want to deport all the illegals yet these are the people building homes, working in the onion fields and plants, cleaning our homes, and mowing our yards for substandard wages. They want to run all the sex offenders out of the state yet they pass laws making consensual sex between teens a crime and break up families. They rail about high taxes and ‘Big Government’ yet pad the state budget with pork barrel projects for the folks back home. They use the metro area as a piggy bank to finance this pork then thumb their noses at any suggestion the state should help with metro area problems that threaten the economic prosperity of the entire state. They supported Bush twice yet he is the cause of gas prices continuing to skyrocket putting a squeeze on their income. All because the Rethuglicons were able to scare/bribe/force enough Democrats to jump parties and they became the majority. Yet voters continue to believe their lies and fall for the deceptions and elect these bigots to run the state. There’s a sucker born every minute and Georgia’s full of them. How I have living here.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Georgia is living proof.

By Borat Obama

July 8, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

GaLiberal, So move if you’re so miserable here.

By Misty

July 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

I believe that the GOP has not moved to the far left, especially compared to the Democratic candidate for President. I think that McCain will ultimately prevail in this election b/c I think the idea of President Obama will be too frightening to not vote Republican. Obama wants to have a dialogue with terrorists, can you imagine? Can you imagine what a laughingstock our nation will become? We will appear to be foolish and incompetent. At least now our enemies fear us, not mock us. I do not want to live in a socialist nation, which is what Obama envisions as a “change we can believe in”.

By Butts Wagner

July 9, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Wow, not one correct answer and a bunch of political hyperbole.. The reason Republicans are called Conservatives is because the original ideology is to not change or add any new laws, basically. Liberals should really be called progressives because an American liberal wants to increase the size and scope of the government by creation of new departments, increasing regulations, and creation of new laws. At least on a federal level, the GOP has clearly become progressive(largest increase in fed gov in history during the W years, anyone?). I would say there isn’t much difference between a Dem and a GOPer. One that comes to mind is that the GOP panders more towards evangelicals and the Dems pander towards Environmental and Health doomsday preachers. I feel sorry for you poor saps stuck believing in only 2 parties.

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September 7, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

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