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DEL.ICIO.USJohn McCain and terrorism
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I have to confess, I just don’t get this one. Charlie Black, a top adviser to John McCain, has been forced to apologize for telling Fortune magazine that he thought McCain’s campaign would benefit if we were attacked again by terrorists.
An Obama spokesman had condemned Black’s remarks as “a complete disgrace,” but again, I don’t get it. Black wasn’t rooting for another attack. He was offering an analysis of what political effect such an attack might produce.
I think Black is probably wrong — McCain has argued that the Bush approach has worked, and another attack would prove that claim wrong. But the faux outrage generated by Black’s candor just makes it more difficult to talk about things honestly in this country, and to talk about things that do actually matter.
For example, the more interesting part of that Fortune article comes when McCain is asked to name the biggest single threat to the American economy.
“Well, I would think that the absolute gravest threat is the struggle that we’re in against radical Islamic extremism, which can affect, if they prevail, our very existence,” McCain said. “Another successful attack on the United States of America could have devastating consequences.”
That’s loony stuff. Radical Islamic extremism cannot possibly “prevail” and does not “affect … our very existence.” Nor is it the biggest threat to our nation’s economy — $140-a-barrel oil and a massive, longterm trade deficit are far bigger problems.
Terrorism is a security threat that must be taken seriously, but McCain is trying to elevate it into a threat as big or bigger than Nazi Germany and imperial Japan combined. That kind of talk actually helps Osama bin Laden, because it blows him up into something far bigger than he and his ragtag bunch could ever hope to be.
Similarly, McCain claimed earlier in the campaign that Iran poses as big a threat to the United States as the old Soviet Union. Again, that’s just absurd. That’s the kind of statement — and poor judgment — that ought to become an issue.
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By Marta Rails
June 24, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
McCain’s advisor was merely fondly remembering how effective orange alerts were in 2004. That’s all. The American People are so ignorant about common sense security threats, that they think an orange alert is somehow an indication that the administration is in charge and ready for anything, and who would vote against that?
No, McCain’s polls surged in the wake of Black’s prediction. Another alarming sign that McCain could win in November if the american sheep smell a wolf. Expect Rove to pay chemical companies to leach faux wolf smell into our air and water and food. Expect the unexpected. Expect three new OBL’s to appear, like in a Spiderman movie.
Love the word Obama used to describe McCain’s campaign’s fear tactic: disgraceful. Obama smells a rat.
Obama 08: America takes over.
By James
June 24, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
You are correct that Mr. Black should be able to say what he wants without all of this “pretended” hoopla. However, I disagree on Islamic terrorism as not being the most grave threat for this country. Not only is mass immigration slowly eroding our Judeo/Christian heritage and foundation but you let just “ONE” nuclear device go off in New York City (shutting the entire section of Manhattan down for several years due to radiation) and then let’s talk again.
By Gsmith
June 24, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
Whoa Jay….I get a chill running down my leg when I agree with most of what you say. Doesn’t happen too often. You are absolutely correct about Black’s comments. Both in his message and in the reaction. Barack will win because it won’t happen. He won’t be seen as a deer ih the headlights. Which is how he would be viewed if there was an attack. Might not be too accurate, but truth doesn’t win elections. Army pilot, war vet, seasoned professional versus union organizer, closet muslim (too many truly believe that). Tie McCain to Bush all you want but if the attack comes McCain will be elected in a landslide. And on the economy issue I agree with you in part. It’s the oil, stupid. But, McCain is talking a 9/11 attack senario. Massive. He doesn’t do well with articulating his message….hmmmm….can you say W? But we can’t talk about these issues cause political correctness won’t let us. Isn’t political correct an oxy-moron?
By Bob
June 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Marta Rails is an idiot
By Jim
June 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
What experience in handling terrorism does McCain have? What foreign policy experience does McCain have? What leadeship experience does McCain have? What academic credentials does McCain have? The answer to all of these is “none.” Notstanding a clean slate on all of these issues, McCain and his handlers persist in their efforts to sell him to the American Public as bastion of strength and knowledge…Nothing could be further from the truth.
By Jim
June 24, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
What experience in handling terrorism does McCain have? What foreign policy experience does McCain have? What leadeship experience does McCain have? What academic credentials does McCain have? The answer to all of these is “none.” Notstanding a clean slate on all of these issues, McCain and his handlers persist in their efforts to sell him to the American Public as a bastion of strength and knowledge…Nothing could be further from the truth.
By MARTA Stinks
June 24, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
With John McCain from the Republicans and Terrorism from the Democrats running for President this November, I believe I will vote for John McCain.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Good stuff, Jay. Yeah, the ol’ GOP scare tactics right out of the handbook are starting to rear their ugly heads. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems a little sooner this time.
Yes, the ol’ “look, over there, is that an Islamofascist terrorist behind that tree - OH, my GOD!!! Is that a bomb he’s carrying? Everybody, quick! Let’s vote for a Republican - they can help!”
It’s totally absurd for anyone to say that the Democratic party doesn’t care about terrorism, or national security - or has less experience in dealing with it.
I hate to hear people equate national security with stopping terroristic activity - it goes way beyond that.
Safe food, adequate resources to deal with natural disasters, protected borders, strong dollar, etc. Those are all matters of national security — its not just stopping the evil jihadists from blowing up things.
Part of what makes our country so vulnerable is our debts to China - I’ve said this before, but you don’t have to blow something up to destroy it - most of the time, if you drain economic resources, things will implode from the inside.
OBL knows this - Americans haven’t figured that out yet.
By Copyleft
June 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
You shouldn’t begrudge the Republicans their scare tactics, Jay.
After all, it’s all they have to work with.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
OBAMA 08! COMMUNISM TAKES OVER! DEFEAT DEFEAT DEFEAT! AMERICA SUCKS AND IS DOOMED. CRY CRY CRY! I’M BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
Obama Hussein WILL let terrorists bomb us so lets all get ready for an even bigger 911.
Obama has now had the support from Kim Jong Il AND HAMAS. Now we’re just waiting on Ahmadinejad. With his support we can win!
YES WE CAN! WE CAN SINGLE HANDEDLY RUIN AMERICA! YES WE CAN! HOPE HOPE HOPE! YES HOPE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE! HOPE HOPE HOPE!
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
to Jim: I’ll answer your questions for you, please enlighten all of us with Obama’s great contributions next… McCain graduated from the US Naval Academy and was a fighter pilot in Vietnam.
His Experience: not sure if you knew, but he was elected to the US Senate in ‘86 and has served four consecutive terms. Prior to this he was elected to the US house of representatives. Foreign Policy: restored diplomatic relations w/ Vietnam in the mid 90’s. Other items you might find interesting are that he is generally viewed as conservative but has no problems crossing party lines to get things done and has rallied against the ridiculous pork barrel spending.
Please try not to make an online argument but communicate clearly and give me your position without trying to attack.
By Abe
June 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Another terrorist attack on U.S. soil would depress the economy similar to what happened just after September 11, 2001. Our economy did recover nicely because the U.S. did respond aggressively to the attack. Later, President Bush reduced marginal income tax rates which helped. A President Obama would eliminate these tax cuts and would raise taxes on social security, capital gains, dividends, oil companies, and likely gasoline.
And with a President Obama, people would rightly believe that the U.S. would take cover rather than retaliate. (Remember his comments during the Democrat debates about making sure we have lots of civil defense capabilities in place should we be attacked. He offered nothing on striking back at terrorists who would conduct a terrorist incident on U.S. soil. Even Hillary picked up on that point.)
In times of uncertainty about the future, business people and consumers hold back from doing things they’ve planned. With high oil prices, the economy is more fragile than in 2001 and would suffer a bigger blow.
In uncertain times, consumers reduce large purchases—especially durable goods. Businesses reduce their advertising expenditures and cut back on capital expenditures. This reduces demand for goods and services causing people to lose their jobs.
Oil prices would escalate because folks would anticipate a retaliatory attack (but with Obama, who knows?) on the (likely oil-producing) country that perpetrated the attack. The concern: the flow of oil would be reduced. Costs of goods and services would rise—reducing demand.
Therefore, a terrorist incident would indeed hurt the economy. Why is that so difficult to understand?
What IS loony is why an individual can’t figure this one out.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
I’ll go ahead and answer for Jim… Obama was a brilliant student, graduated from Harvard Law after attending Columbia. Acedemic credentials are very high.
He’s been a member of the US Senate for three years.
Foreign Policy: He held assignments on Senate committees for Foreign Relations and has traveled extensively.
Accomplishments: Aside from earning excellent grades in college, everything is state level, mainly south Chicago.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
doodie buddy, I’ll answer your question. After Obama finished at his Madrasah, he fully accepted the challenge of CHANGE! Change we can believe in. Change of bringing Change to America. Change in the form of ISLAM! When he migrated from Indonesia to Hawaii, he carefully studied under his communist professor and then befriended William Ayers. Both being terrorist lovers, they formed a bond. When Obama could not decide whether to use his blackness or whiteness, he let Harvard decide for him. His blackness got him in to school. After finishing he befriended Tony Rezko and stole millions from poor people.
His greatest speech moment summed up:
CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE, HOPE HOPE YES. CAN CAN HOPE CHANGE! BAKA LAKA BAKA! BIN LADEN CHANGE HOPE HUSSIEN MOHAMMED. CHANGE HOPE BLACK. RACE CRY WHINE. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CHANGE HOPE YES! YES WE CAN CHANGE! AMERICA IS EVIL CHANGE! NEVER PROUD OF MY COUNTRY HOPE CHANGE!
That pretty much sums up OBAMA HUSSEIN BARRACK. OH WAIT, BARRACK HUSSIEN OBAMA. NO, HUSSEIN OBAMA BARACK. WELL, HIS ENTIRE NAME IS MUSLIM.
By SD
June 24, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Send that rattlesanke in fake pearls, Obamas Bitter Half …to scare the daylights out of terrorist. If that mean looking face and large backside can’t scare them into submission…we’re all doomed.
By RealityKing
June 24, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
9/11 and the technology bubble of the late 90’s caused the DOW to drop 30%.
2 wars, $140-a-barrel oil, a huge trade deficit and a housing slump has caused the DOW to drop 15%.
Which is the biggest threat to our economy!?
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that the fear-inducing war-mongering tax-free Republican capitalist pseudo-evangelical sect of our right-wing party has its way and we end up with hundreds of nuclear power plants along with the great Chertoff port and border security facade.
First of all, a little added explanation is in order. Nuclear power will be a necessary end to the Republican energy policy because, still assuming the afore-mentioned have their way, all the drill bits in the world won’t meet the world’s appetite for oil forever (or even a hundred years for that matter), shale oil is a joke but the Republicans will still pursue it and they’ll need massive amounts of energy (not to mention water) that just cannot be supplied with coal power plants because they will be needed to meet our ever-growing electrical demand. Yes, coal plants will be used for a long time because carbon capture will be introduced, albeit reluctantly, once more people start to accept the fact that we will eventually need to limit the carbon dioxide emissions from our industrialized world. Aside from that, there may even be a benefit of a more cost-effective means of disposing of the mercury and sulfur content in that coal — assuming that we don’t get too lax with those environmental concerns, that is. There’s more to the story but that’s enough for the sake of argument.
As far as homeland security is concerned, it’s a much simpler discussion. It’s a facade. What border security? What port security? Some airspace security. Overall, it will never be more than an urban legend — along with a few hundred miles of rusting fence in Texas and Arizona, for show. Just sum up the miles of border and area of air space and figure for yourself how “homeland security” will ever become anything more than an expensive pacifier — start burning cannabis in the power plants, and kill two birds with one stone. If we put enough satellites in orbit to monitor that amount of space, we’d have a new habitable “planet” orbiting earth. Enough on that topic though.
Now, back to the nuclear power plant prolifertion and nuclear terrorism. Of the two, which will have the higher probability of leading to a nuclear catastrophe? Oh yes, while you’re working out the numbers, just remember another old classic. It goes something like “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts…”. I read that the other day somewhere on a financials website.
But, that’s enough for now.
By BDAtlanta
June 24, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
James and CommunistAJC should spend a little more time outside their bunkers.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
doodie buddy imposter, Those are SOME credentials. I can name more accomplishments from my dog. At least my dog saved some people from a burning motel. Obama has never saved anyone. Oh wait, he is the messiah, right? Chicago? Wow, the second city. The city of corrupt politicians. Three years in the senate? Whoa, that is something. Hell, Cynthia McKinney served more time than that. Shouldn’t she be his VP? Obama got affirmative action from Harvard. Hardly an accomplishment.
By AL
June 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
OH NO BIG OIL COMPANIES I’M SO SCARED!! Total liberal crap. You need to get off the interstate and travel a little bit there Bookman. Not only is radical Islam the biggest threat to our country and economy , it is also the number 1 threat around the world. How many wars or major conflicts are going on in our world today? How many of them are rooted in Radical Islam? How about the Sudan, Somalia, Indonisia, France, Phillipines just to name a few off the top of my head. All these countries economies and national security has been changed by radical Islam. WISE UP!!
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
BDAtlanta, You should spend less time with your head up your arse. Moron.
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
While the chattering class rambles on mindlessly, a foreign country is plotting to involve America in another foreign war. An Israeli air attack on Iran would require Israel’s american supplied and armed aircraft to fly thru American controlled air space in Iraq, an act of complicity that will not go un noticed in Iran. Israel fully expects free passage and PROTECTION from american forces in Iraq and the Persian gulf, allowing them to refuel their aircraft without threat of attack by Persian aircraft. Israel has no chance of destroying Iran’s nuclear program, and that is not their mission….The mission is to provoke Iran into rightly retaliating against America for the Israeli air attack on Iran. This allows the Chimp and his neoSCUM handlers to claim America was attacked first by Iran….Wrong, America’s foreign masters will attack Iran first, then run with their tails between their two hind legs, like the cowards they are, for cover behind the american fleet and its airpower….Time to kick israel and its supporters out of america, deny israel american protection, and arrest and punish all neocons, the stinking scum bags —
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Jim, we’re waiting. Why don’t you get your propaganda from Obama’s website? I’m sure you’ll find all kinds of valuable information to report to me.
The fact is he’s done nothing worth mentioning. He’s a lawyer, his wife is a lawyer, he is all about affirmative action (Fine with me) but it’s not the basis for what you run the most powerful country in the world on. Honestly tell me (1) thing, just one thing, that he has done to help build foreign relations, other than get Kim Jong Il and Castro’s support. Wake up, dude! CommunistAJC, loved the callout for Cnythia McKinney…that would be a dream ballot for most of the idiots in this town.
By AL
June 24, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
G.Washington Come on out of the basement for some air.
By Larry L. Larry
June 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
Jay, thank you for giving a name to something I’ve grown to hate in modern politics: “faux outrage.” Every time a politician makes an even mildly controversial statement these days, the opposition is “shocked” or “appalled,” to the point you can’t take anyone’s outrage seriously anymore.
The king of faux outrage wasn’t even a politician, he was the late-great Johnny Cochran. He may have actually started it, or at least popularized it, in the OJ trial. God rest his soul. He was a brilliant litigator. I’d like to see less of his signature tactic in politics though.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
George Washington, You’re exactly the reason why this country is going down the toilet. You’re too busy defending terrorist nations. We should kick you out of the country and in to Gitmo! Traitor.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer, I think I’m a little bit dumber after reading your rant.
Also, I got really dizzy from the mishmash of adjectives you threw at us in your first paragraph. Ouch!
By Fulton
June 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Wow! The same mindless rhetoric everyday from you people, and you wonder why the country is in it’s current state? Well, it surely ain’t Obamas fault, now is it? Take a moment & think about that! Oh, wait, sheep don’t think…
By Ed
June 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
When George Washington comes out of the basement for some fresh air, have him change his underwear too. His yearly washing is due. Hand them drawers to mama and let her boil them.
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
CommunistAJC - No, you and your kind are the traitors, you are loyal to a foreign power, while George is loyal to America only….pay back is coming, traitor boy….I would not want to be a current or former neocon when the day of reckoning comes….AIPAC cannot save you, as they will be in prison along with Johnathan Pollard and all his pals….
By hillbilly ragger
June 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Well, surprise, surprise, Jay.
Every single one of the right wingers has completely missed your point.
(And in other news, Jim Wooten has printed yet another retarded column on drillin’ for self-sufficiency.)
Oh well. Carry on, gang. TERRA TERRA! BOOGA BOOGA! TEH SKARY SECRET MUSLIM IS GONNA RAVISH YER WIVES!
By Dave
June 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
You know this type of logic has always astounded me. Bush had the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor and they think a second attack would prove Republicans should be elected again. Brownie you are doing a heck of a job we have decided to renew your contract. Admiral Captain Brownie just ran his ship aground what should we do? Man don’t you see we have to promote him to admiral and bring him to headquarters so he doesn’t run another ship aground.
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Ed, George is sitting on the 15th floor of an office overlooking downtown Atlanta….a corner office…two walls of windows….now git back to you cubicle, copy boy…
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
George Washington, Traitor? Dude, lay off the meth. CHANGE CHANGE HOPE HOPE YES WE CAN!
hillbilly ragger, YES WE CAN, HOPE HOPE, GD AMERICA WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL. You should get outta yer trailor every once in a while. There’s a bigger world than podunkville, GA.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
We got his point, Hillybilly Ragger. We jsut disagree with almost everything he writes about. Oh, I also must comment about all the “sheep” comments that abound here.
It seems that all the Obama supporters throw it out there whenver they can. Part of the system that you claim to love and support so much if the right to freedom and free speech. Yet whenever I debate you, I get this “sheep” thrown in my face. The great thing about the U.S. is your right to argue your point. Respect my views and I will respect yours, we just don’t have to agree on everything.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Glad to be of assistance, doodie. Now, who’s your buddy? I mean, daddy? I mean, buddy? By the way, what does it feel like to be dumber. I’ve never experienced that effect.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Dave, Clinton had us bombed multiple times. It took a republican to take the enemy on. Dems sit on their arses getting fat off of tax payer money. I’ve yet to see a democrat solve a problem. That’s why your democrat congress has a 10% approval rating. Can anyone name a good democrat? I mean really name one. Clinton doesn’t even know his own legacy other than getting blow jobs. Jimmy Carters was Iran Hostage Crisis, High inflation, high unemployment and peanuts. It sure is great to be a democrat!
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Hey George, with your fabulous office maybe you should get off this blog and earn your awesome check! buh-bye.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
doodie buddy, The reason liberals like hillbilly skeezer get so angry is because they are toddlers. They can throw out the dirt but dont you dare throw it back in their faces. They won’t do anything to you because liberals can’t fight a battle. It’s very easy to beat a liberal in a fight. All you have to do is throw one punch and they will head for the nearest Starbucks.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
doodie buddy, George is actually on the 15th floor cleaning it. He doesn’t really “work” on the 15th floor.
By hillbilly ragger
June 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
No, GW. No, Commie (is that what being a “Red” stater is all about? Works for me.) You don’t get it.
Here, I’ll give you the money graf all over again for free:
“Terrorism is a security threat that must be taken seriously, but McCain is trying to elevate it into a threat as big or bigger than Nazi Germany and imperial Japan combined. That kind of talk actually helps Osama bin Laden, because it blows him up into something far bigger than he and his ragtag bunch could ever hope to be.”
That’s the point. When Bush and his merry men decided to conflate Iraq with 9/11, and went on to continue spinning ever-greater lies on top of lies to justify the first batch of lies, they only exacerbated the original, manageable problem.
Obama friggin’ gets it. So do, I will wager, most of the nation by this point.
I say your game’s over. You say it isn’t. We shall see in November.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer, It’s most likely due to the fact it might not be possible to be dumber than you already are. Your rants are crazy. You must have smoked an outrageous amount of weed this morning. Did you pull a Wake ‘n Bake?
By CJ
June 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
The biggest single threat to the American economy are oil speculators.
I watched a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing on C-Span last night with experts from all walks of industry (CEO of Northwest Airlines, CEO of Maverick USA trucking, CEO of heating oil company in the NE, oil industry analysts,…), and they all agreed that the rapid and significant run up in the price of crude is due almost entirely to speculation. Per these panelists, based on supply and demand, the price of crude should be around $65 per barrel (not the current $135-plus). They practically screamed for legislation to add transparency to the regulation process. That alone, according to them, would reduce the price of crude from $135 per barrel to at least $75 per barrel (the fall of the dollar accounts for another portion of the price increase).
For the record, none of these experts gave a rat’s a$$ about drilling in ANWR and off the Florida coast. Oil companies aren’t using 75 percent of the leases they already hold.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
CommunistAJC,
I could name several good Democrats - Jimmy Carter for one, Sam Nun, two, my mom and dad, three and four - but the problem is that you don’t value their service or even worse value their beliefs.
Jimmy Carter, he’s a Nobel Peace Prize Winner - monitored countless elections, Habitat for Humanity - and the list goes on. You’ve already made up your mind that he’s a piece of s** despite the list of his accomplishments. Why should we try to change your mind? Would someone be able to change your mind?
There’s a fundamental difference in the way you believe and the way most Democrats believe - neither one is right, while the other is wrong.
Same with any Democrat - any politician with a (D) after his name - your automatic response is to find fault. How can anyone argue with such unabated stubborness?
By Slotl
June 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
I am sick, sick, sick of the Republican “fear” tactics and social “smokescreens” (abortion, gay marriage) which are manifested to HIDE their TOTAL incompetence.
Note to the TSA, we have been at code ORANGE since last election day. Why?
I am sure the “terror fear” will be jacked up prior to election day by the Republicans who feed on America’s fear. But, fear of what?
I can assure you that the next “attack” will be on the internet, NOT a building or airplane. The terrorists are out to destroy the US eeconomy. They are doing a very good job with the help of the current Republican Administration, including the two yahoos who represent the State of Georgia in the Senate. These “representatives” have voted lock-step with Dubya 98% of their votes.
It is time the American people realized what these politicians are doing to our lives, our pocketbooks, and our children’s future all under the smokescreen of “fear”.
Please…don’t say “tax and spend liberal”. How much is the Iraq war costing the American taxpayers (aside from the tragic loss of life)? Why isn’t that money (growing deficit) spent in the US on OUR infrastructure?
I am willing to pay my fair share of taxes for basic improvements within our borders.
But for our “spend and worry later” Republicans, they seem to have no problem in spending money we don’t have on foreign soil and call Democratics “tax and spend” when they try to spend taxpayer money at home (where it belongs).
Regime change starts at home!!
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger skeezer, No No No. Cry Cry Cry. When you say Bush and his merry men, do you mean EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT THAT SIGNED ON TO THE WAR? BILL CLINTON, TOO? Winston Churchill said that Islam was going to be the next big threat! And that was in the freaking 40’s! You don’t get it. That’s why you sit in your trailer writing this crap. The only thing Obama Hussein gets is a free check from Tony Rezko.
The only thing that will be over is America if Obama Hussien Muhommed gets the White House.
By SaveOurRepublic
June 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
As I stated yesterday in Jay Wooten’s “Would you vote for Bob Barr” blog…
To all these well-intentioned folks who keep harping on defense (having been deceived by the Neocon, Machevellian rhetoric via controlled propaganda outlets like “Faux” News), I’d strongly urge you to do some research on “false-flag opertions”. Also note CIA funding of the Mujahideen (that eventually merged into Al Qaeda)as admitted by former Carter NSA Zbigniew Brzezinski). I also stongly suggest you watch the following informative documentaries (all free via YouTube &/or Google Video)…
-“Terrorstorm” -“Loose Change” (2nd Edition) -“9/11 Road to Tyranny” -“America : Freedom to Fascism”
**P.S. - “Bacrock Obuma” serves the same Internationalist masters as does “McAmnasty”, so underneed Bacrock’s “liberal” veneer lies another Globalist puppet!”
By JeremiahWright
June 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Jay Bookman: Islamic terrorism’s best friend. Typical far left, unthinking, lacking common sense, spouting the MoveOn lines, idiot.
By fritz
June 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
I agree that the comment was not a big deal but I disagree that the biggest threat facing us is NOT radical Islam. Do you remember where you were and what you were doing on Sept. 11th 2001? Do you remember what happened to the economy? Had these terrorists been able to make a second strike within a short period of time, the consequences would have been dire. We still live with that expressed threat. High oil prices and trade deficit are things that the economy can withstand….as long as we have an economy. If a country like Iran gets a nuke and manages to take out a major US city, we are done. They have shown a willingness to support terrorists and to fight a proxy war with us. These things are not far-fetched “looney stuff” any more than flying planes into the WTC was. Out biggest downfall prior to 9/11 was that we lacked the imagination that our enemies have. Why would we want to do that again. I still hear the voice of Richard Clarke calling out in the wilderness…..
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Wake up, doddie. Your dumbness is exuding from those fingernails and spilling out into your keystrokes.
Now, here are some of your earlier words to another poster:
“Part of the system that you claim to love and support so much if the right to freedom and free speech. Yet whenever I debate you, I get this “sheep” thrown in my face. The great thing about the U.S. is your right to argue your point. Respect my views and I will respect yours, we just don’t have to agree on everything.”
Now, here is your original post to me regarding my post:
“Taxpayer, I think I’m a little bit dumber after reading your rant. Also, I got really dizzy from the mishmash of adjectives you threw at us in your first paragraph. Ouch!”
So, what’s left to debate. You are an idiot and a hypocrite. Your own words acknowledge it.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
McCain has to base his whole campaign on terrorism. He has to keep people frightened. Terrorism is the only issue that Americans think McCain would handle better than Obama (52%-33).
By wide margins Americans feel Obama will do a better job handling health care (51%-26), the economy (48%-32), energy (47%-28) and taxes (44%-35). This according to a gallup poll released today.
Be prepared. McCain is going to scare you to death, its the only thing he has.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Taxpayer, My point to you is that you ramble on. The other person articulated a point. You just busted out a thesaurus to expand your vocabulary.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Abomi Nation, What’s Hussiens plan for energy? I mean other than raising food prices and bankrupting our country what is his plan? Socialized medicine will turn our county in to one big welfare state. By the way, 63% of the public thinks McCain can handle the economy better.
Be prepared. Obama Hussien will bankrupt the country and hand us over to our enemies. It’s the only thing he has.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Oops! I typed doddie instead of doodie. I certainly would not want anyone using the label doddie to think that I had some reason to make such statements regarding him/her. No way. My earlier post is definitely directed at doodie.
By fritz
June 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
I just think it’s wonderful that so many people support Obama. Great people too, like-
Jimmy Carter Hugo Chavez Qaddafi Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Hamas
And now…. Kim Jong Il.
I’m just confused about Obama’s campaign not trumpeting the news of the support from these fine human beings. Gee, do you think that there is something that these cut throats know that American public school educated masses have no clue about? Naw….
By jim
June 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
Jay writes: That’s loony stuff. Radical Islamic extremism cannot possibly “prevail” and does not “affect … our very existence.”
Jay..Radical Islam can prevail and does affect our very existence. Check out the history of the founding of Islam and how it expanded. It is not a peacefull religion. Under Islam if you are not a believer, you have one of three choices:
1) Convert to Islam and all is ok 2) Continue your faith but you are required to pay a fee or tribute to the local Imam or whoever is in charge. If this is done according to Islamic tradition you are go kneel in front of the Imam, they will slap you around, and you pay. This is all designed to remind you who is in charge. 3) Die
Don’t believe me…check out Islam.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
“If a country like Iran gets a nuke and manages to take out a major US city, we are done”
Oh good lord.
fritz,
Answer me this, please: how would Iran get the nuclear bomb over here? Think about that carefully for a minute.
I remember asking the same thing about Saddam Hussein - how could he be an imminent (?sp) threat? How could he possibly have gotten a bomb over here without someone noticing it?
For years, we’ve been brainwashed into being “nuclear bomb scared.” Think about the realities of a country who would use a nuclear bomb in a pre-emptive strike.
Don’t you think that if Iran did manage to get a bomb half-way around the world without anyone noticing a rogue plane or ship moving towards us, did somehow manage to drop it, hide it, or hell, even set it off by remote control — don’t you think that said country who did such a thing would be the very next victim of a nuclear bomb? Don’t you think every civilized country in the world with nuclear capabilities would retalitate and blown said rogue country and everyone who lives in said country to hell? Or hell’s equivalent?
Don’t you think the people who live in said rogue country who didn’t want to be blown to hell, or hell’s equivalent would have a little more to say about all this?
Think about the real reality of what you say - and the real reality of nuclear bombs - why would anyone actually USE one? That argument makes absolutely no sense.
By kitty
June 24, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
Don’t be surprised if Bush lets a terrorist attack happen. Of course, he thinks it would be a small one, but it will be larger than he planned since the man can’t plan anything right as is obvious from the Iraq war. It took a Dem victory to get him to change his losing course. Of course, American life is cheap to him as long as it isn’t his or his family. Anything so his party will win…I can see Rove begging for it, can’t you?
By fritz
June 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Yes Bosch, you are right, Muslims have always shown a high degree of concern for their own safety. DO YOU READ A NEWSPAPER? I never thought I’d see the WTC in a pile on the ground either. Why assume they have good intentions? I think it’s wiser to be just a little suspect when it comes to people who EXPRESSED FOR ALL THE WORLD TO HEAR THAT THEY WANT TO ANNIHILATE US. That’s ok though, you just sit back and relax with your head in the sand.
By Russell Paika
June 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
First the Carlin thing and now this. You really put the anal in analysis, Bookman. How do you maintain steady employment?
By fritz
June 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Sorry Bosch, Kitty is definitely crazier than me.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Kitty, Are you someone that thinks 9/11 was orchastrated by Bush?
Taxpayer- thanks for clarifying your typo. Everyone was really mixed up.
By GOPs got to go
June 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
So why exactly would another terrorist attack help McCain? Would that not just prove more incompetent appointees in Home Land Security? Another “Brownie”?
To refresh everyone’s memory it was Democrat that WON WW II. Why is it assumed that Democrats can not handle national security? Vietnam was not a win people. Who was in the Whitehouse then?
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Bosch, How do 15 idiot Saudis hijack airplanes and crash them in to the twin towers? I mean, it’s impossible. Someone would catch them. What’s the reality of that? Geez.
kitty, Dem victory? The same dems have a 10% approval rating. The same dems have not done ONE thing. We are WINNING in Iraq. It took a republican president to fight islam on their own soil. It also took a republican president to take down the Soviet Empire. IT took a democrat president to get blow jobs from a girl half his age. It took a dem president to sell our secrets to the Chinese. It took a democrat president to allow us to be attacked FOUR times without doing anything about it leading up to 911. Wow, democrats are such wonderful people.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
CommunistAJC, let me spell it out for you since you are having some comprehension problems, from the new Gallup poll released today. (gallup.com)
When asked who will handle the economy better, 48% said Obama would, only 32% said McCain would.
When asked who will handle Healthcare better, 51% said Obama would, only 26% said McCain would.
When asked who will handle energy better, 47% said Obama would, only 28% said McCain would.
When asked who will handle taxes better, 44% said Obama would, only 35% said McCain would.
CommunistAJC, its your views that are completely out of touch with most Americans. Thank God for that.
By Copyleft
June 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Abe: You may have missed Bookman’s point about the economy.
At NO TIME did Bookman claim that a terrorist attack wouldn’t affect our economy… he simply pointed out that there are bigger factors that are MORE LIKELY to have an effect on our economy.
The sun exploding would hurt our economy too—but I wouldn’t vote for a candidate who claimed that was the “biggest threat” to our fiscal stability.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
No doodie,
you made no point regarding my post other than to point out your flaws. By the way, you did acknowledge a person’s right to freedom of speech. That includes rambling. I don’t care if you think I ramble but that was not your initial post to me. You just chose to direct insults my way. Now, you seem to have an aversion to the all powerful thesaurus. By the way, I’ve only used it for one word so far today — for “doodie”. I’ll try to do better.
Have a nice day, doodie.
By AJC/DNC Management
June 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Kitty, if Americans ever allowed themselves to believe that Bush would conspire a 911 Part Duh, then there would be an impeachment, or a civil war. No, we cant take one step down that path. We have to trust that bush was a fool, not a megalomaniac.
The problem is the vestige of Bush Base which is on display here. Notice how most of the bloggers on the right represent not so much the lunatic fringe, but the AL Ka Ka Gay men’s choir, where they had held part time jobs teaching entire herds of sheep to baa along to classic hitler youth campfire songs like, “Kum Baa Ewe”? They bring new meaning to the term vest-al virgins, if only they’d break their cherries eh?
bwa
By Corey
June 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
“Obama got affirmative action from Harvard”
Communist AJC, magna cum laude and number one in your law school at Harvard is hardly affirmative action. Did I hurt your feelings by making you sound like a JA?
By The good side
June 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Wow!
We have so many haters of the Muslim world. I guess communistajc and other like him are typical ignorant people.
You just do not want to understand that people are different and different does not mean bad.
Their are many muslims who have do not share the same beliefs as terrorists. Because if they did we would be in a world war not the type of fighting we are doing today.
Also THE REPUBLICAN PARTY was the dominate party during the Clinton years why did nt NEWT and the boys veto the bill to reduce the military?
It is absolutely retarded to think one party is better for the country then another party.
That is why politicians play on your FEARS!
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Abomi Nation, Where is the poll from? I’m having a hard time believing that the general public thinks that socialist man has a better plan. High taxes? That’s going to make the economy stagnant. Please post your poll. And, if its from Huffingtonpost or NYTIMEs forget it. They’re in the tank for Obamalamadingdong.
By Shmortgantzerp
June 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
I love it when folks trot out Obama’s Harvard degree! He is a highly educated Marxist and will rule over us well.
By Slick
June 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Boy… the nutcases are all sitting at their keyboards this morning, spewing forth even more hatred, vile, and stupidity that usual. Gsmith: McCain was an Army pilot. WRONG he was in the Navy. doodie buddy: McCain was a fighter pilot. WRONG he was an attack pilot. communistAJC: Cynthia McKinney served in the Senate. WRONG she served in the House. Some fact checking should be done before you hit the POST button…
Some (most) of you posters seem to forget that we are all AMERICANS and that we must work TOGETHER after this election if our country is to survive.
COOL IT guys and gals!
By James
June 24, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
You are correct that Mr. Black should be able to say what he wants without all of this “pretended” hoopla. However, I disagree on Islamic terrorism as not being the most grave threat for this country. Not only is mass immigration slowly eroding our Judeo/Christian heritage and foundation but you let just “ONE” nuclear device go off in New York City (shutting the entire section of Manhattan down for several years due to radiation) and then let’s talk again.
By PigManCow
June 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Kim Jong Il Loves Obama!
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Corey, How so? JA? Nope, because its true. Obama is nothing but a communist trained by communists. Liberal professors are notorious for giving “A’s” to students who fully agree with them. It’s no surprise that Obama got this far.
As Geraldine Ferraro said, “IF he were white, he’d never gotten this far.”
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Slick, You should really learn to read and ENTIRE comment before pushing the post button. I NEVER SAID SHE SERVED IN THE SENATE. GO BACK AND READ WHAT I REALLY WROTE.
By PigManCow
June 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Hugo Chavez loves Obama!
By Abe
June 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
Jim @ 9:39 (and, mysteriously and inexplicably again at 9:40):
What are John McCain’s credentials in fighting the war on terror?
John McCain had a 30-year Naval career where he had thousands of men under his command. He was a naval aviator, flew missions over Vietnam and was shot down in Saigon. He was imprisoned for more than 5 years and withstood enemy interrogations that would have granted his freedom if he had cooperated.
His father and grandfather were Admirals, so he has a deep understanding of the role and use of military power. His academic credentials include his having graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. He introduced and supported the idea of a military “surge” which reduced deaths to U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians by 90%. He has served in the U.S. Senate providing oversight on military matters and foreign policy. He has traveled to Iraq some seven times while his opponent has been there once—and has not been there in some 800 days (after the surge produced results).
On the other hand, Barack Obama’s “credentials” are that he was a “community organizer.” (Not that many years ago, communities somehow organized themselves.) Oh, and he’s a lawyer too. So he can represent terrorists in the courts when they bring lawsuits against the United States for not having the right brand of bottled water available to them at Guantanamo.
Impugning McCain’s credentials in this area reflects poorly on your knowledge of current affairs—or on your character.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
CommunistAJC, My 11:53 was quite clear on the source of that poll. http://www.gallup.com
Now in case you have a problem once you get there, it says “Top Story” and is at the very top of the main page. The poll is titled “Obama has Edge on Key Election Issues.” Its pretty hard to miss.
By reebok
June 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Reading the posts from left and right-leaning bloggers here helps me understand why Sen Obama is already out to a 15-point lead in the national polls over Sen McCain. Is every conservative blogger really a delusional, hate-spewing idiot? Do they really believe Sen Obama is a Muslim? Or a Socialist? Wake up and face the reality, folks…the same old lies and smear tactics that were employed on Gore and Kerry will not work this time. 8 years of GOP incompetence have seen to that. Peace. Out.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
fritz and CommunistAJC,
(for fritz): yes, I do read newspapers, and the only people I’ve seen who’ve called for the complete destruction of our country is al-Qaeda, not Muslims.
Also, about this comment:
“Muslims have always shown a high degree of concern for their own safety”
Got hyperbole?
The atomic bomb has been around for 60 years (give or take a couple) - how many times has it actually been used? Twice, by whom? The U.S. Why? To END a war, not start one.
You changed the subject. Yes, some terrorists wiped out the WTC and killed many U.S. citizens, and since that time we have state of the art security measures in place to hopefully prevent another such attack.
But, how would Iran actually carry off a nuclear attack? Don’t you have faith in our military? I do.
Stick with reality and not hyperbolic nonsense.
By English Language Political Foreskin
June 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Have you hugged a Mullah today?
Islam. It’s not just five time a day facing Mecca anymore. It’s how to keep your hoe in toe!
This new Osama Bin Laden message is brought to you by Jihad Visa. You can charge up to the moment you set your explosive vests off, but if you miss a payment your introductory zero percent offer is void, and we’ll charge you an arm and a leg.
“Good evening ladies, gentlemen, and germs. I just flew in from Kabul, and boy! Are my WIFE’S arm’s tired. My arms are tired too, not from flying, but from beating my wife during the flight! I had to beat her, she wouldn’t believe that I was not the one who put the antrax in her douche bag. I did not do it. It was not me. Why wont she believe me?
You know, I’m not sure about all this bioweapon business anymore. Last night my wife contracted the inhalation form of PMS. It was terrible. I had to beat her again!
I really, really miss being anonymous like in the old days. Not that long ago I visited Broadway, in New York. I’m still trying to decipher all the coded messages in the vajayjay monoloques. I think I have american women figured out. Pay them.
Well, I have to go. I hear the B-52’s coming, and they aint singing “Love Shack” baby.”
The preceding has been a new video provided by death to america productions featuring Osama bin laden who would never have been able to say nothing if Bush had attacked him at tora bora.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Abomi Nation, 1,625 national adults is supposed to be the ENTIRE COUNTRY? What’s hard to understand is your faith in a poll of 1600 people. Questions are generally skewed in the negative. I highly doubt that the country thinks that Obama can handle the economy with NO understanding of general economics. The guy thinks Iran and NKorea are little problems that can’t hurt anyone. The same guy thinks high taxes will help the economy. I can’t wait for this moron to become Jimmy Carter part 2.
By Abe
June 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this
Charlie Black’s incident is not significantly different from Democrat Congressman Clyburn’s comment that achieving results in Iraq would be bad for Democrats. EXCEPT for the fact that Clyburn is a major elected official in the Democrat party—and should be held to a higher standard than political hack Charlie Black.
In an interview with the Washington Post, Democratic Whip James Clyburn was asked what his party would do if Gen. David Petraeus reports in September that the surge strategy is working very, very well.
“Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that,” said Clyburn.
By DUH!!
June 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
DUH, Jay. who do you think owns the $140 a barrel oil?
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
Abe,
“EXCEPT for the fact that Clyburn is a major elected official in the Democrat party—and should be held to a higher standard than political hack Charlie Black”
How’s that? He’s working for the man who wants to be the leader of the free world. I think you have that backwards.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
It’s too bad that Ron Paul is not running. I don’t like McCain or Barr or Obama and I made up my mind that I will not pick the “lesser of the evils” again. No, not again. I won’t do it. I’ll write in a name if need be. I won’t be scared to do it either. No I won’t. But, what if that new fangled electronic voting thing does not have a space for a write-in candidate. Then, what will I do? I’ll already have too much gas invested in the trip to the polls. I’ll have to do something or suffer dis-enfranchisement. That would be wrong. I simply cannot identify with such an outcome. I need change — for a stamp. I need to write my Congressman.
By Slick
June 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
CommunistAJC You wrote”three years in the Senate? Whoa . that is something. Hell, Cynthia McKinney served more time than that. Shouldn’t she be his VP?” That does not sound like you know the difference between the Senate and the House. Do you?
And to the McCaniacks who are comparing McCain’s academic credentials to those of Obama…McCain graduated FIFTH from the BOTTOM of his class at the Naval Academy. Obama was the top of his class at Harvard Law. That represents a hell of a difference in academic achievement.
By Abe
June 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
Bosch @ 11:40,
Your long-winded statement that Iran wouldn’t try to sneak a nuke into the U.S. because there would be consequences ignores 2 important factors.
First, religious zealots such as Ahmadinejad don’t fear consequences. Ever hear of suicide bombers? He is waiting on the arrival of the 13th Imam who will bring him to glory when he nukes Israel (or the U.S. or Western Europe).
Second, what retaliation would the Iranian leader expect from a President Obama? Obama already pledged that U.S. troops would retreat from Iraq when he becomes president. Mahmoud doesn’t fear the “community organizer.”
That’s why folks such as Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, Hamas, and others have endorsed Obama. The will get off scot-free.
Your logic that “it can’t happen because it hasn’t happened before” is, well, illogical. Technology (such as advanced centrifuges) is advanced and bomb-making isn’t as difficult as it used to be.
And if Iran gets a nuke, other neighboring countries will be compelled to acquire similar weaponry in order to defend themselves from Iran. One of these countries will place a bomb in a cargo ship headed to the U.S. where most containers go unchecked. Do you think that many hundreds of thousands of illegals can enter the U.S. each year over an unguarded border—but that Iran couldn’t slip a suitcase nuke into the U.S.? Maybe we should just pass a law to prohibit such behavior—such as Washington D.C. outlawing citizen ownership of handguns. Yeah, that’ll work.
But hey, at least we’ll have “universal healthcare.” Let’s hope that radiation poisoning is covered.
By LA
June 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
The gravest threat to the economy is not terrorism, it is politicians initiating trillion dollar wars in the name of “fighting terrorism”.
By Abe
June 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
The other difference is that McCain wants a winning strategy and Clyburn and the whole Democrat party are begging and hoping for defeat. They are invested in defeat. That an elected politician should hope for a bad Petraeus report so his party won’t look bad is repulsive.
Need I play back the Harry Reid, et al comments about how we are losing the war—or the Kerry comments about our troops terrorizing women and children—or the slanderous Murtha comments impugning our troops before they were tried in court? Note they are all Democrats.
Democrats give more rights to terrorists than to our own troops.
Habeas corpus and have a nice day.
By EW
June 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Thank God that after November we won’t have to put up with the crap anymore. The vocal minority will be put in their place by the silent majority (again) and then we can hear the fairy tale about how the Republicans screwed the Democrats again.
Think for yourself and vote who you think can actually lead this country. Don’t be the lemmings following the media off the cliff.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Yep. I can see it now. McCain in the oval office making his announcement to the public that he has declared war against Iran. Then, the red phone rings, he answers, and the recorded voice says “I’m sorry sir but your credit limit has been reduced from $1 trillion to $1000. Thank you and please call your local AMEX representative if we can be of further service.” About that time, McCain wakes up from his own personal form of terror in a cold sweat and thinks to himself, “Wow, it was only a dream. Why do I keep having that same dream over and over.”
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this
Slick, You have convinced me! Since Obama made such outstanding grades in school he’s got my vote!
Please let us all in on what you see that Obama has done that proves he’s competent to run this country. We all agree that his foreign policy is outstanding…he’s traveled to the middle east a few times! Holy cow! An oversight on my part…
Oh, and do forgive my misquote when I wrote McCain was a Navy Fighter Pilot…he was an ATTACK pilot. Must have been the readings of Taxpayer…made me dumber than normal.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Politics or threat?
Those on the right seem to think the threat from Islamic extremists is one of the biggest threats this nation has ever faced. You call out those on the left as being naive to the threat.
Why are you calling out the liberals that think the threat is exaggerated? Shouldn’t your disgust be directed at your own?
Our armed forces keep relaxing the qualifications to join the military. If this threat is so serious why are all the military eligible war supporters sitting it out?
Millions of you have decided that your careers and education are more important than defending your country against this “grave threat.” How can this threat be so real if our own “warriors” have decided to sit this one out?
Why are you people on blogs like this trying to get liberals to support a war that you think threatens our very existence?
Where are the warriors? The “warriors” have decided to sit this threat out. The neo-patriots have more important things to do.
Some threat!
By Simple
June 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
OBAMA’S STILL GOING TO WIN. WASTE YOUR ENERGY ALL YOU WANT. HATERS.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
doodie,
Won’t you ever learn? If you insist, I will persist. Try me. Go ahead. Push my buttons. Go for it.
By SaveOurRepublic
June 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
LA @ 1:02, you’re absolutely correct…but don’t forget ….implementing an Orwellian police state while trampling the Bill of Rights & trashing U.S. sovereignty & borders by merging with Mexico & Cananda (via the NAU/SPP) in the name of “fighting (largely contrived &/or government sponsored) terror”.
http://www.seeloosechange.com
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Slick, You need to take a deep breath. All I was saying was Cynthia served for a longer time than Obama. That’s it. Nothing more.
By the way Slick, I’d much have someone who understands the military than someone who understands ambulance chasing. Lawyers are greedy morons who make most of their money off of other peoples hurts. At least McCain served his country well, was a POW and has served in the Senate for a long time. We know his record. Obamalamadingdong is a communist.
By rightytighty
June 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
Oh I do hope so Simple, I’m really looking forward to repaying Obama in kind for the last 7 yrs of support from the left. A show of support in the new and progressive liberal style. i.e…, shouting lots of mindless hate.
I mean, if Obama wins, it must work, right!?
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
thanks Taxpayer, but I have a new target, Slick. You can go now. But before you do, I would like to thank you for your valuable insight!
Now if I may borrow your style of prose and reword everything I just stated: (WARNING: makes you dumber)
Many thank yous are in order for your incredibly, well articulated, extremely, very brilliantly written, yet angry for the most part, screed. But I have decided to pursue another, equally frightening particular individual who happens to have the exact, identical, similar, thought reducing brainpower that you hold as my fodder for entertainment for the remainder of this sunny, beautiful, pretty Tuesday, the second work day of the week, afternoon.
You may be excused to do whatever you feel you need to do to enjoy the rest of the above mentioned day. Godspeed Obama.
By bobfromCanton
June 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
I actually think it would be good for obama-yo-mama to be elected. It will bring out the best Republican president (aka Reagan) after the Jimmy Carter-Obama presidency is over in 2012! Go Obama! This will cause Republicans to unite like nothing else.
By Abe
June 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Compare Charlie Black to Obama foreign policy advisor Richard Danzig’s who last week suggested that we turn to Winnie-the-Pooh for expertise on counterterrorism strategy.
Guess those good grades in law school didn’t provide the Democrat nominee—oh, what do they call it—good judgment.
By CommunistAJC
June 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
bobfromCanton, I agree. That is, unless we don’t survive the nuke that goes off after he’s sworn in. Remember, its all about judges. Obama would most likely put Osama Bin Laden on the Supreme Court bench. Hope hope hope. change yes we can hope change.
By BW
June 24, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
Anyone that thinks radical Muslims aren’t a threat to us and that they attack us and our interests due to Bush being in office must have their heads in the sand. They ARE a threat to the way we live. Please read the Koran. We will never be at peace with them. A nuclear Iran WILL prove to be a bigger threat than any recent event in history. Iran will market nuclear devices (ie. give them) to their other Islamic ‘friends’, who will eventually set one (or more) off. What do you think that would do to our economy. Obama is proposing programs that are extremely expensive. Who do you think really pays for them? The ‘evil’ Big Business? No - ultimately it is the taxpayers of this country. Nothing is free. Government is already big enough. We don’t need more. Who do you think our enemies would rather see in office (hint - it is not McCain)? Why?
By Simple
June 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Bush and his administration was called out for the things it DID, his failed policies and highjacking of the Constitution. Barack is being called out for what exactly now???
Oh you don’t have to say, we know..
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Dear Abe,
Good to read your sensible comments on the mostly rediculous and inaccurate posts of liberals here.
Bosch is a well known anti-war person who obviously think terrorists are still riding the desert on camels. H-bombs? Why nobody could possibly get them here! That’s the Bosch line of ‘thinking’.
Soon he will ask you to answer one of his questions. Then call you a “hypocrit”(his spelling) when you do.
Anyway, I do like your comments. Keep up the good work.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
My main question still goes unanswered… “What has Obama done in his time (3 yrs) in the Senate?”
This is NOT a rhetorical question…I do NOT know the answer. Please stop touting his fabulous grades in the prestegious schools he attended.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
So what are you and your buddies doing about this threat BW? Blogging?
Your families are in danger and yet millions of war supporters are sitting at home. Why? Your way of life is in danger yet school and career take precedence. Why?
How about some tax cuts too! Heck, let some else pay for the trillion dollar war!
By BWM
June 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Gee, wonder how government GOT this big. 8 years under the Bush RepubliCON administration. That’s what you guys are..CONS!
You will GLADLY bloat government when it suits YOUR interests.
You guys really need to abandon the tag lines, it makes you look small minded, which you HAVE to know you are right?? Talking all that tired mess…
By DWG
June 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Jay, At least you were thinking clearly in half of your article. Yes, the Obama camp will try to blow anything McCain says out of proportion, and vice-versa.
To say that a terrorist attack on our country wouldn’t have more impact than high oil prices is being short sighted. If nuclear devices or biological weapons were used in our major cities, it will devastate our economy and our way of life, with many lives lost. The energy crisis, immigration and health care are all important topics as well, but if there is a terrorist attack where hundreds of thousands of lives are lost, all of these things will be deemed not as important. In my opinion, you are being absurdly short sighted here as to the magnitude in which these terrorists want to impact our way of life.
By JeremiahWright
June 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
Barak is being called out for what he SAYS he’s going to do. We already know it’s stupid, and some people still want to elect him. And he’s actually had years to think about it, unlike Bush who had to respond to an unprecedented attack.
By rightytighty
June 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
No one can hold up the progressive rock star image the corrupt media has portrayed as Obama. His crash is surely to be as fast and hard as his rise. It’s just a matter of time..
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Simple 1:55
SURPRISE!! Bush is not running for a third term.
So.. you don’t like what Bush DID like keeping us protected and freeing two countries. Yeah..
Why don’t you check on what the Demo led Congress DID? Almost NOTHING! Just like what Sen. Obama did in his short time there. NOTHING! I could give you a long list of nothings but as you posted, you are “Simple”. I am wasting my time here.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Abe,
Got hyperbole? Please - Boo!
Dusty,
You dodged my question yesterday, how am I safer because of the Iraq War?
And how would Iran actually get a bomb here?
And why is it again that Iran wants to attack us? Just because they hate us? Uh, huh, that makes perfect sense (as I role my eyes).
Those nut jobs over there are all talk - just like Saddam, and see where that got him?
As the Who once said, “We won’t be fooled again.” But then again, there are the Dustys of the world.
Hyperbole is not reality. Threats of a nuclear attack are all hype.
(And Dusty, it’s spelled “ridiculous”, not “rediculous” - if you’re going to criticize my spelling, at least spell the simple words right)
By JeremiahWright
June 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
You don’t have to be scared of terrorism, and that’s not what McCain’s trying to do. But you better believe terrorists are serious, and you be be prepared to fight it tooth and nail. Liberals, like Jay and Obama, have no clue. If the terrorists see another opportunity, it WILL be 9/11 again, or much worse.
By Slick
June 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
doddie buddy,
Obama would not have been my first choice as the Democratic nominee, but I think he is a better choice than McCain. He has displayed better judgement in his life choices, and he has a more realistic view of the world than the simplistic one displayed by McCain and the neocons who control him and the Republican party. They want to use American military power to remake the entire Middle East to our expections and interests. Remember “Either with us or against us…with no in betweens.” And if anyone disagrees, bomb them until they do agree.
Following that policy has caused us to get into the mess that we are currently in, the debt that has accumulated, the lives that it has cost, and the distrust that the rest of the world holds for us.
McCain represents “Stay the Course,” Bush III, and more of the same. He does not seem intelligent enough to recognize the need for change, nor possess the ability and vision to make it happen.
Obama represents a better alternative!
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
doodie,
Is that your “dumber” mind’s idea of a proper retort. I said “Go for it” not “Play with it”. I remember one of my children using the word “doodie” (of course, this is many years ago now) to describe his potty training success, “Look Daddy, I made a doodie.” I couldn’t help but laugh. Now it’s deja vu on a different level — a dumber mind’s level. This time it’s doodie’s buddy. Can you just imagine someone that refers to him/herself as doodie buddy. That’s the functional equivalent of a little fart, isn’t it.
Now, do you see how to play the game, doodie buddy.
By English Language Political Foreskin
June 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
WSB news just reported that a bear posing as a uniformed police officer stopped and then killed a motorist in Cobb County. Witnesses say the bear asked to see the poor sod’s driver’s license and Registration first, and then mutilated the victim. One person who was hanging around after the massacre said that it makes him think twice about pulling over for blue and red lights now, cause you just never know, you know?
I know. Believe me I know.
By Abomi Nation
June 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
The terrorists have access to technology. You know they are monitoring what is being said on the Internet.
They are very much emboldened by what they read from American blogs. It gives them strength. It will help them recruit.
They know that our “warriors” have decided to sit out the war on terrorism. They laugh as the war bloggers type on about the threat.
Our “warriors” have emboldened the enemy. They have decided to sit this one out. Plain and easy for all the world to see.
By RenaP
June 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
I just had to share this with everyone. Democrat, republican, or liberal - I think you’ll enjoy it. I think you will agree it makes a lot of sense.
http://imvotingrepublican.com/index.php
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Well, one thing’s for certain. If one of them radical Islamic extremists comes knocking at my front door and demanding that I reform or die, he better already have the drop on me. Otherwise, he’ll be lucky to hear me mumble “Make my day” before that firing pin strikes home. I know my Constitutional rights. It’s my home, my castle, my moat, and my alligators, my keep out signs, my beware of dogs signs, and my booby traps. What more can a person do to warn any would-be terrorist. Just remember, the last thing you want to do is let them see fear in your eyes. Those terrorists just thrive on it.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
Slick, Well said…Bush was never my first choice either. However, I’m nervous about Obama’s lack of real world experience.
Taxpayer, I doubt you have kids because first you have to know how to procreate. Do you know what that word means? Look it up in your thesaurus.
By Winston
June 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
There will be a meeting of all Proles next January in room 101 at the Ministry of Love.
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
Dear Bosch@ 2:13
You are not only “ridiculous” you are “rediculous” any way you spell it. And I see you are practicing your defense against terrorism. Just say “Boo!”
I thought you were over at Luckovich’s planning to “giggle and eat Brownies at the hate picnic”. Sorry to interrupt your giggle plan.
I answered your question yesterday which was to ask if I would support Obama like Clinton. So I said yes and told you my “support” for Clinton. Then you got all bent out of shape and called me a “hypocrit”(your spelling).
You certainly do have a short memory but great on revision. Ah well, that is a liberal trait much admired and used by your kind.
Now don’t let me keep you here. Get on with the giggles.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Oh, so I get your strategy now. You answer my question with another irrelevant, random question that has nothing to do with the original question in a lame, but non-attempt to actually answer the original question because you have to coherent answer. I get it now!
Brilliant!
I only spell “hypocrit” that way now because somebody called me out on it the other day - spelling doesn’t matter to me - but I do think it’s funny when people make fun of someone else’s spelling, but in the process of doing so misspells something - got irony?
Actually I like my way of spelling “hypocrit” - if you put an “e” on the end it seems like it should be pronounced with a long “i” - that doesn’t make sense, you know, just like your logic, or your attempts to answer questions.
By Knuckleheads
June 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Taxpayer, your comments prove that you’ve already got the goat-droppings on all of us, so you’re WAY ahead of the jihad. mooooo
CNN just reported that Al Jezeera has canceled Osama Bin Laden’s radio show for his remarks about Kurdish women (who were playing a game of infidel stickball at the time) being Keyaffi headed Ewes. A spokesman for Al Queda said an apology was received at the Kurdistan Embassy in Syria. A source from Homeland Security said this sets back the jihad five whole years. “We knew if Osama talked long enough he’d hang himself, that’s why we encouraged all those death to america threat videos of his over the years.. Sooner or later everyone gaffs, and looks like our patience finally paid off.”
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Sorry, my last post - last paragraph should say “NO coherent answer” not “TO coherent answer.”
Me and my spelling. Goodness.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Sorry again, last SENTENCE in FIRST paragraph should say “NO coherent answer” not “TO coherent answer.”
Karma can be a b***, huh?
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Bosch,2:49
You usually change the subject to minutia. Your “NO coherent” is just as incoherent as your “TO coherent answer”. Try to cohere yourself together. Can you still giggle? There!! I guess you are OK.
By Get Real
June 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
Republicans talk so much about National Security, but where is bin Laden? Had Gore been President and not gotten OBL you all would be pulling your hair out. Get the person that caused 9/11 before you claim to be the party that will keep us safe. Thats just common sense, but you all let Bush pull the wool over your eyes with Iraq. What happens if OBL attacks us again? I mean its been 7 years, and we still can’t find this guy? We found Hussein in a spider hole. Get bin Laden first.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
What do you expect, Knucklehead, with all the little doodies out there trying to make a little noise. Yet, there is one little doodie that has not learned that, in a flash (from a match, safety or “strike anywhere”), it would be gone with little more than a “poof”. So, “Head ‘em Up, Move ‘em Out.”
By Simple
June 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty.
Bush ain’t kept me protected from NOTHING. I learned how to protect MYSELF long ago growing up in the streets of Chicago. With that..I don’t fear Muslims, terrorists or whatever you want to call them.
You might buy into the whole “freeing two countries” B-S but one of those two countries had the justification for the fiasco it HAS changed at least 3 times and YOU bought all 3 - SUCKER!!
By Get Real
June 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
RenaP @ 2:27 I think people have gotten what they deserve with voting for Bush. Time for a change, I think.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
No, I answer questions when asked. You don’t.
When asked questions you try and divert attention or act like you’re bored or not interested in the question anymore because in reality you have no clue.
I don’t change the subject and try to divert away from answering them because I can’t or because I don’t have a coherent answer for them.
Sometimes answering questions in your Bush slobber ways just isn’t appropriate for the hard questions like:
How am I safer because of the Iraq War?
or
Do you really believe Iran would attack the United States with a nuclear weaspon based simply upon the notion that they don’t like us?
Hey, that last one is a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no.’
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this
OK, now you’ve gone off the deep-end completely.
By Independent Thinker
June 24, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
The comments on here are just what the politicians in Washington want. As important an issue as terrorism is, this blog ends up being a namecalling fest. No ideas are presented, just bad mouthing the other party. Then you all wonder why nothing gets done in this country anymore.
I’m not into namecalling, but i disagree with the war. As someone posted that Bush ‘freed two countries’, if they are free as you say why are we still there. Free means a sovereign, self-governing country and Iraq is far from that. We dropped the ball on Afghanistan a long time ago. We’re putting trillions of dollars into the infrastructure of these countries, while our own goes to pot. I’m an independent but plan to vote democratic this fall. Why should I give republicans another chance to screw things up. They gave Bush the power to do anything he wanted, with no oversight, and he’s basically run the country into the ground. He only pulled out the veto pen once democrats to control of Congress. It wreaks of partisanship. Any Republicans please tell me why I should vote for McCain, honestly?
Democrat or Republican, nothing will get done without some sort of compromise. Democrats are corrupt, as well as Republicans. But the last 7 years, Republicans have been real hypocritical in telling the average citizen what they can and can’t do all the while committing criminal and immoral acts. Why should I vote for them now?
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
There will be another attack here in the United States but it will meet with failure as the intrepid Bush maggots ferret out the threat and end it before it really gets rolling. Then Bush will launch an attack upon Iran when documents are produced that tie Iran to the foiled attack. Osama bin Laden will come before the cameras, in the basement of the White House, and give the usual spiel about how Al Qaeda is infilitrating our culture and will soon take over. He’ll end the predictable appearance with his customary, “death to America.” Then he and his business partner, the outgoing fuhrer Bush, will have dinner with his proposed new partner Senator McNugget. It’s going to happen! The true terrorists are the Republinazis. Won’t work this time boys. We’re going to throw all you b******* out and put into jail those who have participated in criminal, inhuman activity. Believe that!
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
What’s your opinion about the no-bid oil contracts with the oil companies in Iraq?
In my opinion, it makes me realize that maybe this war was all about the oil.
By Taxpayer
June 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Get Real, Get Real. The Bush administration did not go into Iraq in search of bin Laden or any other terrorist[s]. That deck of playing cards had Saddam at the top of the stack followed by his sons and then a whole string of Baath Party members. Imagine that. Now, if I were “claiming” to be going into Iraq because of the terrorists, I think I might just stick a picture of bin Laden somewhere up there near the top. Why not at the top for that matter. When was the mission really accomplished. Well Phase I was accomplished when Saddam and his sons were confirmed to be out of commission. Phase II was the return of “America friendly” oil companies to Iraq. Afghanistan, on the other hand, has long since been taken off our radar and handed over to NATO. As for Pakistan, didn’t you know, they really make a mean pair of Levi’s. Of course, that’s just the beginning of the story.
By Frederick Douglass
June 24, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
The greatest threat to America as we know it is, the “Good Ole Boy” system that rewards ineptitude based on the notion that “It has always been a certain way”. It is so clear that the past 8 years have taught us nothing, ease up on the “he’s kept us safe” stuff, we’d be a lot safer if we’d had the guts and leadership to root Bin Laden out of Afghanistan. It has been demoralizing to us as a country to have veered off of the real mission, which is to bring Bin Laden and his minions to justice. We’re getting what you get when you elect people based on what their daddies did.
By Willie
June 24, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Look at the mess we are in!!! Those college trained minds have done us in….I want a high school graduate with some real work experience to run for President…colleges have lets us down….graduates have become complete fools….if our leaders are college trained minds the great experiment is gone forever!!! Jay I am including you too!
By DWG
June 24, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
I’m voting Democratic because… pharmaceutical companies only want to make money at all costs and don’t care about saving lives so I want to put so many regulations in place that these companies have to spend billions of dollars just to get a drug through to the American public and sell them at astronomical costs. Unless of course it’s the morning after pill.
I’m voting democratic because… big oil companies are evil. They should be taxed for making too much money and we should stop them from destroying our land. I’d rather have Venezuela and China drill off the coast of Florida and pay ridiculous prices for my gas. And while were at it, lets tax anyone that makes too much money, they’re evil too.
I’m voting democratic because… I think we should give amnesty to all ILLEGAL immigrants in this country and give them free healthcare. Eventually we’ll find that people that came into this country legally are not as important, especially the old and weak. We need strong young voters to help our cause, so let’s keep them healthy.
I’m voting democratic because… terrorism is a joke. Terrorists only hate us because we won’t leave them alone. If we back off a little and make nice with them we will see that we can all live together in peace and harmony. If we would have just left Hitler alone, think of how many lives would have been saved!
I’m voting democratic because I don’t like George Bush. He’s a rich old white guy and lord knows you can never trust any of them. Just ask Hillary Clinton!
By getalife
June 24, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
obl won because our cowardly government allowed him to change our country. The freedoms our troops fought and died for were tossed like Obama did his church.
By Skeptic Tank
June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
George W. Bush is the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party. His failed policies have taken a clear conservative majority and converted it into a muted, embarrassed minority. Anyone parroting Bush’s policies, i.e., John McCain, is destined to be run out of Washington by the voters in November.
The 25% of you who still cling on to the notion that 9/11 and Iraq are somehow related are the same people who have destroyed any realistic hope that your party will prevail in 2008.
By gttim
June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
“McCain graduated from the US Naval Academy and was a fighter pilot in Vietnam.”
McCain graduated 594th in a class of 599. If his daddy had not been an Admiral, he would never have been made a fighter pilot.
McCain is suspected of killing 168 of his shipmates by wet starting his plane aboard the USS Forrestal, in a hot dog stunt to scare the pilot behind him.
Four days after being captured by the Vietcong, McCain agreed to tell Military secrets if he could visit a hospital.
McCain signed confessions stating: “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate.”
In 1997 McCain said on 60 Minutes that he was a war criminal for bombing civilians.
(His POW confessions and hospital requests are all admitted by him.)
Is this the type of expert we want running the country?
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Are you still slobbering here?
Do you not realize that Islamic terrorist hate us even as they proclaim it many times?
Do you realize that you know very little about oil contracts or how they were written or given?
Do you realize your anti-American prejudice is stronger than your judgement?
Do you think terrorists attacked us 9/11 because they “loved” us?
Do you not realize that other terrorists feel the same way?
Do you think you would be safer with Osama in Afghanistan, Saddam in Iraq, Ahmajinedad in Iran, Hamas in Israel, Hezbollah running Lebanon, terrorists in Somalia and America like Darfur?
I will answer your questions when I feel like it. No sooner. That will give you a good excuse to wiggle off again.
By getalife
June 24, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
STFU Eva.
By malacalooly
June 24, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
What is the difference between Democrats and Republicans?
Tax and spend? Check. Check. Corruption? Check. Check. Big government? Check. Check. Line their own pockets? Check. Check. Lie? Check. Check.
I just don’t see a big difference anymore other than the Democrats willingness to sell us out to countries that hate us.
By Bosch
June 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Are you still slobbering here? Silly woman - I don’t slobber
Do you not realize that Islamic terrorist hate us even as they proclaim it many times?
Yes, I realize that Islamic terrorist hate us - and proclaim it many times.
Do you realize that you know very little about oil contracts or how they were written or given?
Yes, you are right - I know very little about oil contracts and how they are written - I was asking what YOU thought about it. Guess you know less than me, huh?
Do you realize your anti-American prejudice is stronger than your judgement?
I have no anti-American prejudices.
Do you think terrorists attacked us 9/11 because they “loved” us?
No.
Do you not realize that other terrorists feel the same way?
Yes.
Do you think you would be safer with Osama in Afghanistan, Saddam in Iraq, Ahmajinedad in Iran, Hamas in Israel, Hezbollah running Lebanon, terrorists in Somalia and America like Darfur?
Is Osama in Afghanistan? Maybe you should call the CIA - I hear they’re looking for him and if you know where he is, you should tell them.
Saddam is dead.
The Iranian guy you mentioned doesn’t actually have any control in Iran.
The rest of that question - I have NO idea what you are talking about.
So, how am I safer now because of the Iraq war?
I don’t know what in the hell those questions had to do with my previous question, but I tried.
But, now I’m gone - think about it tonight and see if you can come up with an actual answer instead of a series of lame, rhetorical questions that have absolutely nothing to do with my original question.
Good evening.
By Knuckleheads
June 24, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
WSB news just reported that a bear posing as a uniformed police officer stopped and then killed a motorist in Cobb County. Witnesses say the bear asked to see the poor sod’s driver’s license and Registration first, and then mutilated the victim. One person who was hanging around after the massacre said that it makes him think twice about pulling over for blue and red lights now, cause you just never know, you know?
I know. Believe me I know.
By JeepersCreepers
June 24, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
By gttim June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link Man you must live in old newspapers to have so much knowledge about someone….or your just a drive by media guy….sounds like one to me…oh! I got one Bill Clinton was a rapist….but you voted him in twice….drive by carefully…
By JeepersCreepers
June 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
By gttim June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link Man you must live in old newspapers to have so much knowledge about someone….or your’e just a drive by media guy….sounds like one to me…oh! I got one Bill Clinton was a rapist….but you voted him in twice….drive by carefully…
By JeepersCreepers
June 24, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
By gttim June 24, 2008 4:06 PM | Link Man you must live in old newspapers to have so much knowledge about someone….or you’re just a drive by media guy….sounds like one to me…oh! I got one Bill Clinton was a rapist….but you voted him in twice….drive by carefully…
By Skeptic Tank
June 24, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
malacalooly
Willingness to sell us out to countries that hate us? check check
Don’t underestimate the Republican’s undermining of our great nation at the hands of our enemies over the course of the past 7 years. If you believe the party rhetoric on the subject, then you’ve been duped. Having the testicular fortitude to declare war is not enough; in fact, when you compromise your troops safety and the success of your mission with repeated errors of judgment, you have actually done your country a grave injustice. If you are willing to accept a lack of accountability and failure, then go ahead and blow a trumpet for the Republicans.
By gttim
June 24, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
JeepersCreepers, you should figure out how to hit the button only once before getting onto more complicated matters like thinking and the proper use of ellipses.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Imagine the things you would say under circumstances where your teeth are busted out of your mouth and you’re all tied up.
There’s no hard proof about your theory of the wet start of his jet either. What I’ve read in the past was another jet was warming up, a missile was fired, hit McCain’s jet but not detonating…anyway, certainly a tragedy.
You also forgot to mention he was offered to go home but sent someone else in his place.
I’ve heard the comment on 60 minutes before…don’t really have a rebuttal for that one.
By mike
June 24, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Mccain hasnt been in step with bush on the war.Mccain was for the surge before bush was.Obama said he would rather catch bin laden than kill him.He doesnt want the death penalty because he would be a martyr.3000 dead and counting more with the war and we cant execute bin laden?Why wasnt this front page news?
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
I really like this post, so I am stealing it and reposting it here and else where…..“McCain graduated from the US Naval Academy and was a fighter pilot in Vietnam.”
McCain graduated 594th in a class of 599. If his daddy had not been an Admiral, he would never have been made a fighter pilot.
McCain is suspected of killing 168 of his shipmates by wet starting his plane aboard the USS Forrestal, in a hot dog stunt to scare the pilot behind him.
Four days after being captured by the Vietcong, McCain agreed to tell Military secrets if he could visit a hospital.
McCain signed confessions stating: “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate.”
In 1997 McCain said on 60 Minutes that he was a war criminal for bombing civilians.
(His POW confessions and hospital requests are all admitted by him.)
Is this the type of expert we want running the country?
By Dusty
June 24, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
Goodnight Bosch.
If you don’t know anything about Hamas, Hezbollah, terrorists in Somalia, and Darfur,and other places in the world, there is no reason to discuss terrorism with you.
Since your opinions include no approval of the war in Iraq, homeland security, American government, or any recognition of the cancer like terrorism, I suggest you do a little study instead of posting biased opinions without facts.
If you are NOT anti-American, I suggest that you NOT sound that way so often.
Goodnight all.
By Swiftboat McCain Haters
June 24, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
yee haw, gttim and george washington!
I still DESPISE the Republicans for demeaning a veteran like Kerry in the 2004 campaign, while their wienie boy candidate wiggled off the hook for being a coward during Vietnam.
They did the same thing to Max Cleland, and they’ll perish in hell for their lack of honor and patriotism.
Let the Swift Boat Trials of Mr. John McCain begin…NOW!
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
By mike June 24, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this Mccain hasnt been in step with bush on the war.Mccain was for the surge before bush was.Obama said he would rather catch bin laden than kill him.He doesnt want the death penalty because he would be a martyr.3000 dead and counting more with the war and we cant execute bin laden?Why wasnt this front page news?
Moron, Bush has made no effort to apprehend bin Laden. When American troops had him surrounded in Afghanistan an order from the highest echelon was given to withdraw. Seem suspicious to you fruitcake? Sure does to me! Bush didn’t want to lose his partner in terrorism. Bush is also on record as saying he didn’t particularly care about catching Osama. He doesn’t have to catch him. He knows where he is. you want to take Obama to task for not wanting to kill him but it was Bush who was warned one month prior to 911 and he did nothing. Even as the attacks were being committed Bush read a story of a little goat to a class of young children. When apprised of the attacks, what did he do? He continued to read the story of the goat. Did you complain about any of that? i doubt it. You are a Republinazi and your party is about to be swept into the trash where it belongs!
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
I know morons, you want to know what a wet start is, so Ah’m a gonna tell ya, sort of: read along with me now “Jens15-April-2008, 09:37 AM I have a question (actually two) about jet engines and aircraft carriers, actually, and I know there are lots of people here who know lots about those. I can’t say why this came up, unfortunately, because it would violate board rules. :-)
The first question is about something called “wet starting” an engine. I’ve seen it but have no question what it means. Can anybody explain what it is?
The other question is, do pilots “wet start” engines on aircraft carriers? Is it something dangerous to do?
Neverfly15-April-2008, 09:47 AM I’m not sure about jet engines, but a “wet start” is when you allow fuel to pool a moment before igniting it. Makes a nice Bang.
In this case, most likely the pilot would pool kerosene within the engine and then ignite, causing a helluva exhaust plume. I am guessing here.
I imagine the prank could be dangerous. I don’t know if it’s practiced these days, but I have heard of it happening on carriers.
Most likely in these times, doing it would get the pilot drummed up.
jt-3d15-April-2008, 09:58 AM Hmm, this wouldnt have anything to do with GLP would it? :)
What those crazy folks do on carriers, I don’t know. But letting fuel pool in an engine and then lighting it is a bad thing in the civilian world. It will at least shoot a flame and possibly explode. Maybe carrier pilots do it or used do it, but I’d like to think they are a bit more cautious than that.
That said, it’s been done accidently by say motoring the engine, opening the fuel valve and then remembering that you forgot to turn on the ignitors or one system is failed. What you’re supposed to do is close the fuel and motor the engine and start over. What’s been done is reaching up and flipping the ignitor switch on or to the other system and boom.
I once did a manual start on a 727 where they were slow getting the fire lit. It shot a pretty impressive flame out the back with me and another guy standing next to it on a lift truck. It was dark too so it was even more impressive. Good times.”
By DWG
June 24, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
Yes! let’s focus on the past and not solutions for the future! Great idea. Can any Obama supporter please come on these boards and be specific about the programs and ideas that he has to institute this “change” from the existing regime? I’ve only heard one idea come out of his mouth: Let’s tax big oil profits to put money back in American’s pockets. Bookman didn’t include this in his listing of solutions and non-solutions to the oil problem. He probably didn’t want to expose Obama for this ridiculous idea. People on this board like gttim are for the most part idiots that want to distract from the issues and talk about the past. gttim your contribution to life is to sit behind your keyboard an perpetuate lies against an an American hero. You are a shameful piece of dung.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Hey DWG, I’ve posed that question countless times today…nobody can give me an answer to they skirt the issue and then George Washington goes to some technical site to look up the definition for us. We’re dealing with a lot of dimwits.
Some of them have had coherent arguments that I can listen to, but GW has no original thought.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Hey DWG, I’ve posed that question countless times today…nobody can give me an answer so they skirt the issue and then George Washington goes to some technical site to look up the definition for us. We’re dealing with a lot of dimwits.
Some of them have had coherent arguments that I can listen to, but GW has no original thought.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
American hero? American zero! You don’t want to look back and I don’t blame you. In thlast eight years America has attacked a nation that had done nothing to warrant it. America embraced terrorism, totrure and genocide. The economy has been ground down to a nub, while oil companies and weapons merchants rob the people of their money. We’re going to look back, dredge up the past and make bums like you look at it! We’re going to sweep all Republinazis from office. Don’t like it? Too bad b***!
By AH
June 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Smells like BO in here. We need a change of air.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Why don’t you take a bath? That should take care of it.
By DWG
June 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Thanks A J C for not answering the question and proving my point. You want to focus on the past and elect a person whose policies you know nothing about. Sounds like demanazi thinking to me.
By mike
June 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Bush doesnt want to catch bin laden?Sweep all republicans from office?America embraced terrorism,torture and genocide?Not much discussion but a lot of rambling.
By Obama '08
June 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
George Bush let 9/11 happen so he could invade Iraq and go down as a war president. It is not far fetched for McCain’s people to “wish” a terrorist attack on American soil just to further their own political ambitions. It’s the republican way.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
We know, all too well, the policies McNugget will embrace. They are the same ones Bush clings to-disinformation, lying, torture, advancing the imperialist aims of the United States and the destruction of the middle class in America. We’ll take a chance that there’s something better than crooked, closeted-gay, disgusting Republinazis. Get used to it b***!
By Swiftboat McCain Haters
June 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
DWG
When 9/11 happened, the Republinazis looked back and blamed Clinton. When Kerry ran for President, the Republinazis looked back and swiftboated him to oblivion.
You speak for the party that would rather look back and denigrade than look forward and lead. No one is saying that Obama has the answers, but rest assured, the idiots in the Republican Party have proven, over the past 8 years, that they are utterly clueless.
I will not vote to perpetuate failure. You had your chance. You blew it.
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Dear doodie buddy - Of course you know this means war…..
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
My God you people are stupid. I cannot even continue this. Do you actually believe this crap?
By Hillbilly Deluxe
June 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
It’s true Islamic extremism is a threat but the true long term threat to us is China. We’re doing everything we can to build them up in the name of cheap consumer goods.
By doodie buddy
June 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
Another time…I am leaving. I can’t take this anymore. Think of it like this, I’m giving you a chance to arm yourself with an original thought, one that might provoke another one, and another one after that. Good luck!
By Frederick Douglass
June 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this
Jeepers/Creepers, if Bill Clinton was in fact a rapist, he only raped one person, the current man in office has raped a nation.
By George Washington
June 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this
with a name like doodie buddy, ya ain’t a got no business calling anyone stupid, dummy….
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
June 24, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
So long DooDoo Buddy. We’ll miss your dumb a*.
By GaLiberal
June 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this
It appears that both sides are going to over analyze the other during this election. Of course, it’s the Rethuglicon bootlicking talking heads that are mainly at fault. Michelle Obama’s ‘proud’ statement, their ‘terrorist fist jab’, Obama’s ‘flip-flop’ on public campaign funding, etc. This is typical of the Rethuglicons who have nothing other than lies and spin to frighten people into voting for them. Just look at the recent Supreme Court ruling. The Rethuglicons want everyone to believe this ruling allows the courts to determine ‘enemy combatant’ status. That’s completely false. It only forces the government to come forward with the evidence to support their claim. If the evidence isn’t there, the person shouldn’t be in detention in the first place. Another lie is that habeas corpus only applies to US citizens. That’s completely nuts. If it were true, that would mean we could detain any non-US citizen indefinitely without presenting any charges or evidence. That’s clearly not the case. That right extends to anyone detained regardless of US status. Just more lies and deception to keep people in fear. A page right out of Stalin’s playbook.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And their lies and spin to keep you in fear is living proof.
By DWG
June 24, 2008 11:37 PM | Link to this
Ok it’s been over 6 hours and still no democrat can convince me to vote for Obama. I’ve heard how bad the current administration is. I’ve heard about your disdain for Sen. McCain. No one can tell me what Sen. Obama is wanting to do to make America a better place. That’s pretty sad. Please tell me you’re not voting for a candidate that you know nothing about? You have to be smarter than that right? I have no problem with anyone voting for Obama, just tell me why - and don’t tell me why you’re not voting for the republican candidate.
By DWG
June 25, 2008 12:20 AM | Link to this
Went to Barack’s web site and still not much substance. A lot of fluff: “I’m asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington … I’m asking you to believe in yours.”
UNITE FOR CHANGE.
the country i love.
Together we Can!
Change comes from the Ground Up!
Ok, I’ll help you out. He wants to give illegal immigrants amnesty BUT put them behind people that are trying to get into this country legally. Sound like a good plan to you? 12 million immigrants with instant health care needing to be serviced? 12 million people instantly legal with kids in schools that have parents that don’t speak a lick of English to help them with their homework? If any of you people had to send your kids to a public school where 60%+ of the population was hispanic and most kids had little help from their parents at home, you would be against this issue. Trust me.
By Copyleft
June 25, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
So, you didn’t see ANY of this information on his site, huh? After an exhaustive search?
COURTS Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement Combat Employment Discrimination End Deceptive Voting Practices
ECONOMY Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud Address Predatory Credit Card Practices Reform Bankruptcy Laws
ENERGY Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050 Invest in a Clean Energy Future Support Next Generation Biofuels Set America on Path to Oil Independence Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030 Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
HEALTHCARE New national healthcare plan, including mandatory coverage of minors Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System
NATIONAL SECURITY Protect Chemical Plants Keep Track of Spent Nuclear Fuel Have Plans to Evacuate Special Needs Populations in Emergencies
IMMIGRATION Create Secure Borders Improve Our Immigration System Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
You just couldn’t find ANY of that info on his site, huh? What a shame.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
But I suppose tomorrow someone else will be yammering about how Obama “never has any specifics” and “only talks in vague generalities.”
By JM, American
June 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this
Liberals do believe in free speech. I’m shocked that anyone would suggest otherwise. It is simply their speech they are referring to. I do not understand why someone has a desire to jail people who support an ally. The tone is suspiciously Anti-Semitic, which many Liberals appear to be. It also feels anti-First Amendment, proving that Liberals do not wish other voices to be heard though it is guaranteed in the Constitution. Just go ahead and say you hate Jews. The bottom line for those who wish to stick their heads in the sand: Islamic extremists want to kill us. End of story. It is not that difficult. The economy, tainted tomatoes, Anwar and oil, socialist health care and anything else mentioned in the comments, make no difference if we are either dead or enslaved. Yes, the threat is for real and giving it the priority it should have is not elevating the status of the terrorist. It is elevating the knowledge of the threat that our country, our world, will no longer exist. Extremists do not want to talk - it’s their way or the highway. They may pretend to negotiate but as mentioned in another post, it is just what Hitler did to Chamberlain. If you believe otherwise, I suggest you try out what our lives will be like if the extremists win…Go camping without the comforts of the 21st century because we will be reduced to living back in the stone age. By the way, the war is against those who wish to destroy us and our way of life. OBL is simply one leader in that fight. There are others. I also agree that China is a threat. As they gain power and acceptance in the international community (like hosting the Olympics), the more they are to be watched and quite possibly feared. I am sick of name calling - a tactic used to avoid a true discussion. I am sick of political correctness and being afraid to say anything contrary to what liberals think, especially regarding the Democrat presidential nominee. I am concerned that people will choose to vote for that nominee because of his race, which I’ve heard that even many well-known African American Republicans may do. I wouldn’t care if he were purple or green if he represented the values that I believe in.
And speaking of believing, it appears to me that the only change I will have to believe in is what will be left in my pocket if the Democrat nominee is elected because he has said he will use the tax code to re-distribute wealth. I consider myself a charitable person, but I like to choose where my money goes. I also like to choose my doctors. By the way, I am not a Republican. I am an Independent who is on the conservative side on many issues. I prefer freedom and less government. Back to the bottom line - The extremists must be defeated if we are to survive. Mark my words, if we elect a weak president who is charming, wears beautiful suits and makes pretty speeches, then we are doomed. Remember that.