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Blame it all on the greenies …
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Environmentalists are the designated bad guy in the Republican energy narrative. Whatever the problem, environmentalists caused it.
If nuclear power plants aren’t being built, it’s not because they are hugely expensive and a big risk for investors, it’s the fault of environmentalists. If we have to import a lot of oil from overseas, it’s because environmentalists have barred us from drilling in ANWR, even though drilling in ANWR would do little to move us toward energy independence and nothing to alter the price of gasoline.
The same argument is applied to refining. If no new refineries have been built in this country since the 1970s, it’s once again because of the environmentalists.
Except that once again, it isn’t. It’s supply and demand - pure economics, a process that conservatives profess to worship. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the government’s technical energy analysts, new refineries haven’t been built because there simply isn’t much money in it, and investors can get a bigger return elsewhere.
Look at the most recent profit statements from Chevron, the nation’s second biggest oil company. In the first quarter it reported profits of more than $5 billion worldwide. Its profit from U.S. refineries? A paltry $4 million.
People in the oil business know that, which is why you rarely hear that argument coming from industry types. They’d be too embarrassed to utter such nonsense. But they’re more than willing to sit back and let irresponsible politicians blame it all on environmentalists.




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Comments
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
I think gas is priced correctly. If we need more gas stations to make it more convienient for drivers, or if we need more gas credit cards to expedite the process of fueling up, then I say, “decide whether to pay at the pump or inside the store, then insert credit card but pull out the credit card quickly, remove nozzle and select grade. then stand next to your car and stare at the babe in the next stall filling up her car. Ask her about the mileage she gets in her chick car. Then offer to buy her a hot dog and a coke. You never know, you know?”
Pull out credit card quickly? Why is that? Why do we need to pull out the credit card quickly? I left my card in the slot a little too long once, and the pump informed me that the pump misread the card, and I needed to reinsert it. So I took it out and stuck it in again, but let in linger for a couple of seconds in the slot, and lo and behold, another error message informing me of a misread and that I was supposed to try again. So this went on for I dont know, a couple hours, and finally this lady came out of the store and offered me a free hot dog and coke if I would go away. If only that babe had still been in the next stall……
But honestly, folks, it’s a matter of pulling up next to a pump and getting out of your car, and following the instructions faithfully. Now, after your tank is filled, some stations offer a free carwash with purchases of 188 dollars or more. Who can resist a free carwash? Not me. Those drive through carwashes are great but they take a long time to drive through them. My SUV gets very poor mileage! Once the carwash took so long that by the time my car was clean, I needed to fill up again. So, i filled up and was offered another free car wash. I cant resist a free $10 carwash where they scrub your wheels and undercarraige and everything, so I drove through it again…you guessed it, I needed to fill up again. I finally had to walk home. I left the car in the car wash. I think it’s still there because I saw a cop there writing a ticket to some idiot who abandoned his car. hey! That’s me. Now I have to move to canada.
I think I’ll take the train.
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Do take a train, PoFo @9:59 and buy a one way ticket. Take all your IDs with you. Have fun. We’ll miss you, every one of you….
And NO, Bookman, everybody doesn’t blame everything on environmentalists, the “greenies”. Your big buddy Gore made such an outcry from his non-scientific background and his huge high use energy home, that he made “environmentalists” a figure of derision. He wiped out any sensible discussion on the subject.
Most people like polar bears (always pictured by the “greenies”) but hardly believe that because we breathe out CO2 and don’t ride bicycles we are the super plague of the world, killing all wild life and wild libs in a heated oven.
But “greenies” are liberals and Bookman is a liberal, so bring out a column on their behalf. Gotta write something for the “cause”.
By Dennis
June 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
You and Democrats blame Big Oil, Big Pharmaceuticals, Big Tobacco, Bush, Republicans, and on and on. But never accept any responsibility yourselves. Never blame Big News. Never question Big Environment and never, never blame Big Carbon.
Take a look at the most recent profits for any of the Big Carbon investors. Like Gore.
By econ101
June 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Read Bookman’s editorial in today’s AJC. Half truths abound and some opinions simply not supported by facts or rational thought. The contention that oil in ANWR won’t “peak” until 2027 ignores the fact that the oil companies contend that if given a green light, oil from ANWR could be in US tanks within 3 years. Given they’re the ones who have to get it out, I’d trust their opinions. Bookman’s contention that drilling there wouldn’t help is only half the story. By itself, ANWR wouldn’t impact global prices much. But if the US embarked on on a full scale energy policy, it would. This means drilling offshore and in ANWR, exploiting the oil sands and oil shale in Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming, building nuclear plants as fast as we can to replace oil and coal fired plants, and conservation efforts. This would cool much of the world’s speculation which is based on the so far accurate assumption that we are politically paralyzed regarding oil policy. Bookman’s contention that the Saudi’s would simply reduce consumption by whatever we produced is only true to a point. If we increase our domestic production by only 1mm barrels a day, they might. If we increase our production by 5 mm barrels a day, not a chance. They won’t forgo that much revenue. The flip side of this equation is that there is no viable alternative energy source anywhere near ready to replace oil. Oil is the bridge until an alternative is ready for prime time.
By econ101
June 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
To see how effective an “alternative” is, you need to look no further than the Beaumont Pass in California. Thousands upon thousands of windmills which produce a tiny fraction of the LA Basin’s energy needs have created an amazing eyesore and destroyed the desert ecosystem. Current solar technology is no better. And you can’t just throw money at a problem to solve it as Ms Tucker proposes. It’s going to take some sort of innovative breakthrough to make wind, solar, ocean, or hydrogen a viable alternative.
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Everyone knows Bush/Cheney sold america out. Conservatives have the bill of sale. Democrats have the Bill of Rights. Guess which party will inherit America in November?
Obama 08: Inherit America
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
I think we can all safely assume that econ101 is a fuel fool. He knows as much about geo-political cause and effect on commodity prices as he does about why his mother never pressed charges against that sailor.
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
Everyone knows Bush/Cheney sold america out. Conservatives have the bill of sale. Democrats have the Bill of Rights. Guess which party will inherit America in November?
Obama 08: Inherit America
By NewsFlash
June 22, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
There’s been a lot of work over the years to map out the world’s oil reserves. The “easy” oil has pretty much been found and pumped out of the ground. By most estimates, we are at or very near “peak oil” for everything except shale oil and tar sands. The energy needed to extract and manufacture a usable oil from those deposits would be better spent on the development of alternate energy sources just as the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on efforts to give the major oil companies access to Iraq oil reserves would have been better spent right here in America on such items as solar power, nuclear power, ethanol, battery technology, electric cars, bio-diesel, etc. Then again, that wasn’t the Bush Administration’s plan, was it. The Bush Administration had to figure out a way to get the major oil companies back into Iraq because these companies are running out of areas where they can extract enough oil at a low cost to make it worthwhile. Does anyone really think that BP really wants to deal with Thunder Horse or Prudhoe Bay. Give me a break. On top of that, if the US had not put Saddam in power in the first place, then he would not have been there to kick out all the major US oil companies. So, there was a lot of “egg on the face” that had to be fixed. Of course, all the other super powers know this and were quick to point out that they did not create the mess. Then, along came terrorism. Now wasn’t that convenient. The rest. It’s history now, isn’t it? Of course, some estimates have us using up all proven oil reserves, at the current rate of consumption, in about 40 years. Even if we cut consumption in half, we only have 80 years left. Then, there are the more optimistic estimates that claim we have closer to 100-130 years worth of oil left. If the 40 to 80 scenario holds, what will we do? After all, that’s within many of our lifetimes especially our children’s. So, some might argue, “what’s there to argue about?”, and rightfully so. Let’s get busy. It’s time for change.
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Oh my goodness,NewsFlash @ 1:25, ends up with that repetitious CHANGE. Libs are trying to cattle brand our brains with the word CHANGE. I would hate to end up in a “herd” of “changed” libs. Yikes!!
I have now thought of a new slogan which is more truthful. I think I will repeat it at every opportunity (whether you like it or not.)
McCAIN’S REFRAIN IS SANE!!!
Well…I like it.
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Everyone agrees that Bush/Cheney sold out America. The conservatives have the bill of sale. The democrats have the Bill of Rights!
‘muff said.
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
McCAIN’S REFRAIN IS SANE!!!
(Obama’s is NOT.)
Neat repeat!!
By NewsFlash
June 22, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Dear Dusty,
I reviewed my post for repetition regarding the use of the word, “change”. By my count, I used it once. That hardly qualifies as repetition. However, I also took the liberty of reviewing some of your past posts. Do you understand the phrase, “Broken Record”. By the way, “The Times They Are a-Changin’…”, like it or not — it don’t rightly make no nevermind.
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Dearest NewsFlash, 2:39
As I mentioned, the “climax” of your speech was the repetitious lib word (__) which you supplied out of habit.
Please review my posts at any time. The truth will do you good.
As to repetition, please let me remind you of the new truthful “herd words”:
McCAIN’S REFRAIN IS SANE!!!!
Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it??
By NewsFlash
June 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Dear Dusty,
I reviewed some of your posts for truth and the truth is that you are a repetitious bore and not a very truthful one at that. I also reviewed you original post to me. In it, you used the word “change[d]” three, count ‘em, three, times. How boring. Let’s not forget, it’s also repetitious. Is that a force of habit on your part. Now for the climax, moo for me Dusty for it appears, using your own words, you have been indoctrinated into the herd. Are you a happy cow now. Has a nice “ring” to it, it does. I can already picture you in the field with your little cow bell around the neck and the farmer’s daughter calling out, “DUSTY!”, while listening intently for the sound of the little “Ding-a-Ling”. “DUSTY!”
Gotta go now. Bye.
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
NewsFlash,3:23
In a big loser spell, Newsie turns to MCP antics. Male chauvanist pig antics, that is. Lil’ piggy starts refering to his female “betters” as “cows”.
I guess when you are raised in a barn you don’t know any better. Like Bookman said, pay attention to the “greenies”. The environment in which you are raised is important. Poor NewsFlash. Bad environment!! Obviously!!
See ya’ later…maybe..
By Bud Wiser
June 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
My firm belief after reading all that I have here, is this: The fool that is known as Analchord (is that French?) should go by the name of Analdrippings, because that apparently is all his tiny brain can regurgitate from his large pie hole.
By NewsFlash
June 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
No, Dusty. It is I that should call you the MCP. I was trying to play nice, Dusty, you temperamental old coot. Look back at your posts, LOSER. YOU started with the talk of cattle and herds and libs and pigs and loser and repetitious use of change, etc. — not I. Why? Because that is all you have to work with. You simply have nothing else other than name-calling and when someone calls you out on it, you cower behind more of your name-calling. Here’s something original for you. Try using that brain instead of abusing it. Do a little research. Study the issues. Are you capable? Willing? Or, are you just plain stubborn and obstinate. Go ahead, Dusty. Show me what you are made of.
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
Funny, funny stuff ButtGeyser. Thanx, I needed that laugh. Yes, “analyst” is a word that has anal in it too. You are a very clever man to have seen the anal in analchord. You should have your own radio show, man.
You know, I blog to distract my broken heart, as I watch my wife deteriorate inch by inch from the ravages of chemotherapy as her stage four breast cancer advances. She’s lived past the 18 months the worst case scenario predicted, so I’m grateful for every moment, and I dont complain as I wait on her hand and foot and hold her hand for six hours on thursdays at the chemotherapy sessions. I just sit there, face to face, on a little rolling stool and dodge nurses and doctors surrying to and fro, and watch her as she goes in and out of consciousness, but I dont go anywhere, I’m the face she sees when she momentarily comes out of her sleep, maybe she needs some water or maybe she just needed to see someone there. I’ve dont do any time on stage anymore because she gets afraid being all alone, and all her friends abandoned her when they learned of her disease. I have family but they have families. I dont mind, it’s a priveledge to accompany my wife through her life. I signed on for better or for worse, and now that we’re in the “for better” part, I’m not going anywhere, even though most of the time, my wife is non compos mentis from the pain killers like percocet and xanax that she eats like candy. People are not disposable. Marriage is a form of social security. I dont default on my bonds. I had a baby with that woman, and god or no god, I’m going down with that ship.
I know I go too far with my opinions about the Republican Party and all the wonderful things the last 8 years have wrought. I also know that America’s future is great no matter who wins in November. Iraq War. Afghanistan War. Iran’s nuclear threat. Sleeper cells in america. Our troops getting ground down by overwork and little popular support at home. I wonder how it feels to hear Obama talk about bugging out when you’ve lost friends securing a building or a city block or a open air market in Baghdad.
The State of our Union is what I’ll call “Poised on verge of a new Golden Age”. Afghanistan just about did the soviets in, yet afghanistan and iraq are only making america stronger. We are the world, and the world knows it.
Dusty keeps accusing every other blogger of not loving this country. I think if she knew the truth about americans she would stop.
The truth about americans is that, because many are immigrants, they know what the stakes are. We make this country work because there’s no Plan B.
Well, I apologize if I’ve offended anyone with my empirical satiricals.
In closing I’d just like to suggest that you all need to have a little faith in America, she just may surprise you.
By Bud Wiser
June 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Thank you for your nice comments about me. ButtGeyser…..now that presents a mental image that will be hard to forget; question is, do I lay on my stomach, or sit in Grandma’s rocking chair to incur the proper reaction??
What about Analgesic? Analphabet? Analeptic? The choices are multitudinous indeed.
I tried the radio gig once a long time ago, but kept drippin beer outta my mouth on the mike and givin the poor old engineers a fir for sure. That job lasted about 15 minutes.
I share your belief in America also, because I believe a man in a movie once said (to paraphrase) “You are at your best when things are worst.” A special prayer will be said for you and your wife tonight.
By Taxpayer
June 22, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
I remember commenting on the issue of drilling for oil on Wooten’s blog the other day. I asked how much would it cost to clean up a 147 million gallon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Of course, a reaction from one person was to accuse me of being some sort of environmentalist nut case. OK, I’ll admit that I was throwing out a nice fat squid to see if I’d get a nibble from a 40-pound grouper versus an annoying little trigger fish but we are a capitalist society. Oil companies look at the cost to extract oil from a given site and make a decision based on their cost analysis. If we are going to allow drilling in “off limits” places in the Gulf and Alaska, then we need to see the cost analysis. It’s no different than deciding on standards to build levees to. I remember reading somewhere that the US, for example, is ridiculed in some countries for using a 100-year flood standard while they use 5000 and even 10000-year standards. Well, I think it boils down to what it is you are protecting. A 100-year standard is probably fine for crops in the mid-west but certainly not for things of greater value. If we were to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, there is some probability of a spill negatively impacting the tourist economy as well as aquatic life and a cost associated with it. These are simply reasonable issues to discuss unless you had some other motive for bringing up the topic to begin with.
By Analchord
June 22, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
Katrina proved that offshore drilling is safe.
Wooten’s suggesting that ANWR is a small tiny little part of alaska is like saying that hiroshima was a small tiny part of japan.
The Forrestal proved that John McCain is a loose cannon. He wet start his jet engine and the blow back set off the jet behind him’s sidewinder missiles which set off explosions all over the carrier deck where they were refueling.
John McCain was a great pilot, and enjoyed the esprit d’corps. Wet starting was a hot dog thing that was kind of an inside joke, like buzzing the tower in the movie Top Gun. These guys wouldn’t be pilots if they didn’t enjoy hotdogging.
But this time, something went tragically wrong, and McCain wont own up to it.
It’s not that he set fire to the Forrestal, it’s that he hides behind the Vietnamese Flag to avoid responsibility for it.
That’s why he cant be our prez.
sorry, john. I love you, I do, but I cant risk another loose cannon as commander in chief.
By Fintago
June 22, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this
If Bill Clinton, and before him Jimmy Carter, would have approved drilling instead of listening to the tree huggers, we would have enough oil now.
By dbm
June 22, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this
Why isn’t there much money in refineries?
By Dusty
June 22, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this
Well, it is late. I can’t stay at the computer when I’m gone. How about that!!
Ahh dear NewsFlash,
So you got all hot and bothered, sport. Good. But relax. I cannot be a MALE chauvanist pig because I am neither male nor piggish. But you are one of the herd all right. Hope you get over it. Now…nothing much going on here I see. Oh yes..
McCAIN’S REFRAIN IS SANE!!!
ANALCHORD aka PoFo, I see you are having a remorseful evening.
Well, I am very sorry about your wife. You have mentioned it before. Such times are sad and agonizing. I wish for better days for you and your wife. Yes, I am so sorry.
But you are wrong about a couple of things. I do not think that ALL bloggers do not love America. Just those that vilify the country and the president repeatedly. If you think that is expressing love for America, I don’t.
You are also wrong about the Forrestal incident. The official Navy report explained it and it was reprinted right here on a blog. I am sure you saw it because you are here so much. McCain did NOT start the fire but he did try to rescue some pilots caught in the flames. That is the OFFICIAL NAVY REPORT so you can stop repeating the falsified Dem propaganda.
Goodnight all.
By Taxpayer
June 23, 2008 6:59 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
You are the silly goose — male or female, I don’t care — to think that anyone was “hot and bothered” over you. I used the label “NewsFlash” just to prove my point about you. Look closely at the NewsFlash posts and note what “ignites” you, Dusty. Then look at how you react. I’ve revealed you, as many before me have, for what you are. Have a Good day, Dusty.
By the way, just so you don’t let that paranoia get the best of you, I won’t be directing any more posts at you through any other labels.
By Dusty
June 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Thank you, Taxpayer,NewsFlash, etc. etc. etc,,
How lucky can I get?? No more posts from you? Please… do not forget your promise.
By Taxpayer
June 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Read comprehension is clearly NOT your strong suit, is it now. Why am I not surprised.
By RealityKing
June 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
If oil companies and speculators are truely to blame, then the release of drilling bans will reduce the speculators interest and thus our gas prices…, no drilling necessary.
By RealityKing
June 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Bill Richardson argued Jay’s point as Secretary of Energy from 1998 to 2001. Perhaps the men that couldn’t help us resolve our energy problems then can now help us resolve our energy crisis!!??