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FairTax debate, live this AM

This morning, I’m going live on the Martha Zoller show — starting around 9:30 — to discuss the so-called FairTax. Martha’s a supporter of the FairTax, so we’ll bat it back and forth for a while and then take calls from listeners. The show is broadcast on 550 AM, and can also be heard via the station’s website at www.wdun.com.

If you want to listen and discuss what you’re hearing, comment below.

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By Ric Cross

May 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Seems like there is another talk show host based out of Atlanta that supports the Fair Tax Act. I believe it might have a slightly larger audience, why not go on his show?

By Crisp

May 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Ric, thats because the other host has refused to have Jay on his show.

By Fix-It

May 22, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

The same people who oppose the fair tax are the same people who still think there are monsters under the bed. Wake up the 70,000 pages of tax code are broken it needs to be fixed. The only way to fix it is to try something new, if does not work, guess what, we still have the old code to revert to. Grow up try something new!

By BookmansFollies

May 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Funny last time I checked Boortz has invited Bookman to debate the Fair Tax, but Bookman can’t seem to find the time to schedule it. Who is pulling who’s leg here Jay?

By who is me

May 22, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

where’s Jay. .Im listening online now. She’s talking about Iraq.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Wow Jay, That’s really awesome. YAWN. Please let us know when you grow a pair and talk the man himself. You may as well debate his cat.

Crisp, if you have actually listened to Boortz instead of reading Jays talking points, then you would know that Neal has invited this hack on multiple times.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

Why do people insist that changing from one system to another revenue neutral system is going to magically fix something. If we wish to approach a fairer level of taxation, then we must first eliminate all government expenditures that are not needed for the population as a whole. Start by eliminating all pork. Then, start scrutinizing all other expenditures including the farm bill, the prescription drug legislation, the Iraq occupation, etc. We will get closer to agreeing on what constitutes a fair tax once we get closer to agreeing on what the government should be involved in.

By who is me

May 22, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Martha is afraid to talk to Jay. . She has Jay on hold and won’t talk to him. .What a cop out. Why would you have two seperate guests on two very different topics??
Im listening to a topic about Afganistan.. WTF?? where is the Fair tax

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Perhaps Boortz will show us what he is made of and call in while Bookman is on the air. Zoller should be able to provide the mediating function.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, Princess Nancy made it the democrat mantra by telling the country that she was going to kill pork. Yeah, that worked. Pork is more out of control now than before when the GOP controlled things. Lets us know when you succeed in stopping pork. Why do people insist a change? Gee, I don’t know, because our tax code is old as dirt and taxes are insane. That could be it. What do you think? By the way, do you work for the government because only a government person would defend the current tax system.

By Red Foreman

May 22, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Hey Jay, whats wrong with a Fair tax?

Oh I’m sorry, that means EVERYONE would have to pay their fair share.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

You could simply not tax the necessities to begin with and then there is no need to mail out all of those checks.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Here we go again with the exclusive versus inclusive, etc. Why not talk about what counts — talk about the fact that this method is supposed to be revenue neutral. Therefore, we still have to come up with the same amount of money in order to fund the same level of government. The arguments about whether the tax rate will be 23, 30 or 130% all contribute nothing to the real issue. The FairTax(TM) is by definition revenue neutral. If I were collecting $1 under the old system then I would still collect $1 under the new system — from someone — unless I reduced government spending. The FairTax(TM) does not reduce government spending.

By Opus

May 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

For all the folks who think Jay has been invited on Boortz’s talk show. It’s NOT TRUE!! Neal wants to ‘debate’ it in a town hall hearing. He’s AFRAID to put Jay on the air, because his audience might hear a few things about the ‘Fair’ Tax that they haven’t heard before. Like it’s a scheme funded by rich folks to con suckers (Neal’s audience) into paying more tax while Neal pays less.

By JR

May 22, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe how Martha and Herman can’t do simple math. i guess you have to be able to suspend reality to support the fairtax.

By Greg

May 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Read the books! Jay can’t survive a debate with the talkmaster!

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Opus, Um, yeah, Neal wants his audience to pay more taxes. That makes as much sense as saying a doctor wants his patience to get cancer so he will benefit from insurance money. Nice try but I have a brain and know that his plan is FAR better than our current system. IF you are so against it then propose a better plan.

Taxpayer, NO tax plan can stop government spending. You fail to see that government is run by elite politicians that can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar. The Fair Tax would put the IRS out of business therefore destroying high spending from democrats and republicans. Get it?

By Greg

May 22, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Read the books! Jay can’t survive a debate with the talkmaster!

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

TT,

You sound as though you have not given the issue of fair taxes a thorough consideration. Please tell me how we can ever have a majority of people agree that taxes are fair before we get those people to first agree that the given taxes are needed. Applying a label, “fair” to something does not make it so. For one thing, why would I, for example, consider it fair to take money from me and give it to a farmer or an oil company unless they are providing me something in return that I want for my money.

By Redneck

May 22, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

JR, don’t get Martha out here in the wilderness. Please tell all of us how Martha and Herman “suspends reality” in their belief in the FairTax(TM)?

By Greg

May 22, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post… No wonder why Jay doesn’t go on the radio often, he’s as much fun to listen to as watching paint dry. His examples are horrible when talking about the FairTax.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

TT,

You are wrong in your assumptions. You fail to see that the only fair tax is a tax that is at an absolute minimum level needed to provide the required service to the taxpayer. Get it?

By Believer

May 22, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

My fellow Americans, we must work in unity. To do that, we must start with a system of taxation that spreads the burden equally amongst the population. The FairTax(TM) can accomplish this task as long as the issue of collecting the taxes on every taxable transaction is dealt with up front. A cashless society is the one sure answer. Every American citizen will need a simple debit card. Most people already have at least one. Then, every American citizen will need a social security number. Most already have this as well. Finally, we just need to link these two items together with a photo ID and cash can be made a thing of the past. Illegal immigrants won’t be able to function here in America any longer. Terrorists will not be able to buy bomb-making products with their hordes of cash. Drug dealers will be going to other countries to do business because no one in America would dare purchase something that is illegal. This approach in conjunction with the FairTax(TM) will solve so many of America’s problems. Spread the word. FAIRTAX(TM) PLUS NO MORE CASH.

By The Snark

May 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

The Snark opposes the “Fair Tax,” and does not see monsters under the bed. What the Snark sees is one complicated tax code being replaced with another complicated tax code (soon to be riddled with special interest exceptions and qualifications), and one enforcement agency with another enforcement agency. Does it bother anyone that not a single respected economist thinks this thing will work? Or that no one with any experience in the real world of collecting taxes thinks this thing will produce anything but more evasion?

And those of you who think changing methods of taxation will reduce government spending — get real. There is only one way to cut spending, and that is to decide to spend less.

By Redneck

May 22, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, send the turnip truck back. I need it to come to town to find and rescue you.

Apparently you did not even read the book. The government does not give your sales taxes to any company. There are no subsidies and the companys have to provide a product of service suitable to earn your business. If you don’t like their product, you don’t buy it. If there is no other source perhaps you could start a new company.

The concept for the FairTax(TM) is as follows.

Federal income tax, medicare tax, and social security tax will no longer be collected. In its place will be a 23% sales tax which is also known as a consumption tax.

To insure that everyone will be treated equally the government will issue to each family or non married individual a prebate equal to the amount the government determines in the minimum amount a person or family needs to live on.

While the FairTax(TM) is considered revenue neutral it is anticipated that there will be huge gains in sales tax revenue when companys and industries that have moved offshore because of our confiscatory tax policies return to the USA.

By anthony

May 22, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

I have two of bootz books on the subject and it wont work. Too many holes in it.
It will never happen but it gives people something to talk about.

By Redneck

May 22, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, please ignore my post to one of your post. I completely misunderstood what you were saying. After re-reading you and I are want the samething and are on the same page.

mea culpa

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Taxpayer, So, in your infinite wisdom on taxes and the current code, give us your take on what would fix the system. Besides railing on pork, give us another option.

By JR

May 22, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Redneck, you can get her online at the stations website. Both her and Herman think that if you buy a dollar item that it will cost you 1.23 after the Fairtax. Even Neal admits it’s 1.30. By the way did you read the bill and find out that ,in fact, property bought for business is not taxable if used more than 95% for business and the is prorated if less than 95%.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

TT,

Why would I even consider railing on anything other than the truth. The truth is as simple as I have stated previously. Minimize taxes to a level that everyone considers to be fair and you will have the closest possible approximation of a fair tax. Concentrate on where we currently spend our tax dollars and we will approach the fair tax. Get involved with government and keep an eye on spending — that is what we all must do collectively in order to make a real difference. Vote for Ron Paul, for example. I believe that he would do everything practical to minimize our taxes by minimizing the role of government in our lives.

By Opus

May 22, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Let me help you ‘Fair’ Tax supporters with this.

Fact #1: The ‘Fair’ Tax plan is revenue-neutral. Source: the ‘Fair’ Tax book.

Fact #1: Under the ‘Fair’ Tax plan the wealthy (incomes greater than $500,000 per year) will pay less. Source: U.S. Treasury analysis of the ‘Fair’ Tax plan.

Conclusion: If the government gets as much after implementation, AND the wealthy pay less, then someone pays more. Who?? Easy: those making less than $500,000 per year.

Question: What’s another term for a ‘Fair’ Tax supporter who makes less than $500,000 per year?

Answer: Just call him or her ‘sucker’. ‘Fool’ also works, as does ‘dupe.’

By Harry S.

May 22, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Why would working people want a huge tax increase added to everything we buy? Are you too stupid to divide the federal income tax you paid by your total income? You earn $100,000; you paid $10,000 it is a 10 percent tax rate in the real world. Why raise it to 23, 30, or more likely 35 percent just to cover the massive debt we have now.

Are you redneck republicans that dumb? Remember WMD, mushroom clouds, spread freedom and democracy, the cheap gas will pay for the war, we do not torture!

I know your local cult leader, Neal (draft-dodging, ex-lawyer, talk radio B.S.er) wrote a book, he would not lie just to make himself another million, to sell a few more books or to get a big tax cut for himself and his wealthy friends/business partners.

The Fair Tax is a scam! Remember what your mama told you, if it seems too good to be true it is.

By Kateshia

May 22, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

This so-called “fair tax” is a plan dreamed up by rich white people to pay less tax, while African-Americans who make less money will have to pay a 30% sales tax on all their purchases. This tax will never pass once Obama gets elected—-he’ll make sure that the tax rates are raised on middle class and rich people, like they should be and people who aren’t rich get a lot more benefits from the government.

By Taxpayer

May 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

A lot of people talk about how the FairTax(TM) will make the taxes that we pay more transparent than they currently are. Once you switch over to collecting a sales tax on everything and there is no tax return to file each year by the individual, I think the result will be just the opposite. The sales taxes will become the “new” embedded tax and people will not have any paper trail that they maintain for future reference. How many people save every sales receipt and inspect them to see how much tax they paid? How many will save all their receipts and tally the numbers so they’ll be able to see first-hand how much they pay in taxes. This assumption, like so many other assumptions, just don’t sound very realistic — it’s not how most people function. The FairTax(TM) could change ten times a year and most people would not even be able to tell you when it changed or by what amount. They’ll just be looking for their monthly prebate and hoping it arrives in time to avoid another bounced check charge or something else. The bottom line — the FairTax(TM) is nothing more than a distraction that just wastes time and effort that could be better spent on other things like future sources of energy and food and affordable housing.

By Jim's a Cherry Picker

May 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

I came up with my own tax plan last night:

The “Super-Fair Tax”.

It’s the best tax plan, by far…just look at the name! It’s “Super Fair”.

That means that it’s even fairer than the “Fair Tax” plan.

Anyone who disagrees with me sucks.

By TaxPro

May 22, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

You Ron Paul robots need to get off the koolaid and realize that this Fair Tax thing is a total scam—-designed only for the wealthy, who pay little of their wealth each year in purchases. 30% of every purchase paid to the federal government? Are you serious??? Most effective income tax rates are way below that. “Imbedded taxes” will causes prices to come way down after the “fair tax” is passed? If you believe that, can you buy my house at a good price?

By Copyleft

May 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Crufty: Truth hurts, doesn’t it? That’s why you resort to personal attacks when your religion (the Church of the Holy UnfairTax) is questioned.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

TaxPro, What’s wrong with the wealthy? They employ the people of this country. As for the lazy poor people, they just need to get off their fat lazy arses and get a job instead of us paying for them to sit around in their trailers all day. I’d rather listen to Ron Paul or Neal Boortz then some hack like you. What have you accomplished in your life besides bashing people who do something with their life. Looser.

By Crafty

May 22, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Copydildo, Come up with a better idea. Attacks? Only on you would I throw out attacks. You’re socialist trash.

By Fix-It

May 22, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

TaxPro, are you on drugs? We get taxes stolen out of out checks, ad them up, unless you are below poverty level you are losing almost 38% off of the top. Then you pay taxes, 6% on the stuff you buy. Then they send you your money back and you have to pay taxes on your already taxed money….Out tax code as it stands now, all 70,000 pages of it should be used to catch bird crap in the bottom of a cage. You boneheads can cry foul at the fair tax all you want but I have yet to here one alternative. To stay with what we have is a losing proposition. A consumption tax has worked in many countries why won’t it work here?

By Uncle Tom

May 22, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Hey Kateshia, this is the land of opportunity, not the land of hand outs. Go get an education so you can create your own opportunity.

By RenaP

May 22, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

to fix it if it was as easy as if doesn’t work go back to the old way - that would be great. but you need to grow up and realize its not quite that simple. lets face it the government is going to get their money whether you pay income tax, or instead end up paying 60% tax to buy a pair of shoes so that the government can get their money.

By BondMan

May 22, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

I’m totally against the fair tax. Most of my income is from bonds and other investments that I pay little income tax on. If I have to start paying a tax of 30% on everything I buy, I’ll get hosed. I’m writing my congressman to oppose this tax and not listen to boortz and linder, who are out for themselves.

By Jay Bookman

May 22, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

I’ve done this in the past and will do so in the future, regardless of which side the posters are on. Kateshia, TaxPro and Bondman are all posting from the same IP address. Must be crowded at that keyboard. Also, Propetia and Red Foreman, your comments crossed the line and were taken down. We’re gonna try to keep things at least slightly sane and honest in this neighborhood.

By Propetia

May 22, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

Da man is keepin me down.

By GOB

May 22, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

While the FairTax(TM) is considered revenue neutral it is anticipated that there will be huge gains in sales tax revenue when companys and industries that have moved offshore because of our confiscatory tax policies return to the USA

Yeah, it is the tax code that drives companies to relocate offshore. It has nothing to do with labor costs.

Why would a company go through the expense of relocating back to the US just to have to pay more in wages and benefits? It doesnt make any sense at all.

By bdawg

May 22, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

I am not a supporter of the FairTax. Some FairTax supporters like Neal get all in a tizzy when someone dares not support it. To me the FairTax sounds good in theory, but also sounds to good to be true. Look I think it would be pretty cool to get my entire paycheck too. But lets face it, that is to get us to go along with a tax break for the wealthy. As has been said, the FairTax favors the wealthy over the middle/lower class. Lets say I bring home a biweekly paycheck of 4,000. I only need a small portion of that for mortgage/groceries and other essential spending. I can spend the rest of it on fun stuff, which will be taxed, or I can save it, which won’t be taxed. Now lets say I bring home a paycheck of only 800, not because I am a lazy welfare person, but because I just don’t have a high paying job, but I do work hard. I have to make every dollar of that check count toward housing, groceries, transportation, etc. That is all taxed. I have heard that there will be some exemptions on these items, but I don’t see how after those it still doesn’t favor those who can stockpile savings. Now I have talked to John Linder about the FairTax on a couple of occasions, he told me there is already a 23 percent “hidden tax” in purchasable goods. So he said basically with the FairTax the hidden tax will go away, so we will essentially be paying the same amount for a product while paying no payroll taxes. I do not believe that for a second. Another thing, businesses already have a hard time charging local and state sales taxes. Do you think they want the red tape involved in paying sales taxes to the federal government? Conservatives say government is ineffective, so why all of a sudden will they collect sales taxes efficeintly?

By Just Nasty and Mean

May 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

So, if you own a business, you can purchase products from other companies without paying taxes because you “supposedly” won’t be the final consumer…RIGHT???

So, the key to this scam is to start a business, and run ALL your expenses through it…therefore you pay no taxes….RIGHT?

This is a loophole large enough to drive Ted Kennedy through.

By Fix-It

May 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Hey RenaP, the government counts on people like you, too scared to jump into the water. It is that easy. The government took 2 million dollars and a 2 year study to claim that it would take over $250,000 to renovate existing gas stations with an ethanol pump. The truth is that it cast $30,000 to do, and that was by hiring a contractor to add the pump, and under ground tank. Politicians get paid to talk, not do, we need to do this because the way it is now is ruining the economy. Ireland, which has a consumption tax and 12% corporate tax, has an economy that is one of the fastest growing in the world. But I guess the naysayers will always talk it to death, why not try it?

By Pizen

May 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

bwawg - the Fair Tax exempts the necessities of life for everyone. Point one. Point two - the Fair Tax will fund SS and Medicare instead of the payroll tax, arguably the most regressive tax there is. Point three - try to get out of your mind the need for a tax system that punishes a group of people, such as “the rich”. The federal tax system should be designed so that essential government services are funded in the most equitable fashion possible. Taxes should not be developed to punish people or reward certain behaviors.

By GOB

May 22, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

While the FairTax(TM) is considered revenue neutral it is anticipated that there will be huge gains in sales tax revenue when companys and industries that have moved offshore because of our confiscatory tax policies return to the USA

Yeah, it is the tax code that drives companies to relocate offshore. It has nothing to do with labor costs.

Why would a company go through the expense of relocating back to the US just to have to pay more in wages and benefits? It doesnt make any sense at all.

By bdawg

May 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Pizen, I agree that “taxes should not be developed to punish people or reward certain behaviors.” Doesn’t the FairTax reward higher incomes that can save over those that can’t? On the exemptions, (and I admit I have not researched them), how do they work? Is Publix or Kroger supposed to label in their store which items are essential and which are not? Will I get taxed if I buy freshly baked bread from the bakery instead of a pack of Wonderbread? It sounds to me to be a very subjective process. I agree with many that our current tax code might not be the best option, and I will applaud FairTax supporters for trying to find a solution. But remember, it doesn’t matter if Repubs or Dems are in charge; the government will get theirs. Like Glenn Richardsons dumb idea to ax the property tax, people that it would be a great tax cut. No, the state Legislature, no matter how many conservative cries of lower taxes, will get theirs. Glenn is a politician, politicians like power, and we’ve all heard that money is power.

By jeff

May 22, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

WAKE UP people, you will never see the Fair Tax, And it has nothing to do with revenue, It has everything to do with CONTROL OF THE POPULATION! You can only control the citizens of a nation by two ways, BY GUN OR BY TAXING THE INCOME OF THE WORKER. If you have a tax at the purchase then people will be able to live off the grid and the government has no CONTROL!!!

By reebok

May 22, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

You have to be willingly ignorant to believe that everyone can pay less tax, total tax revenues will rise, and the IRS can be eliminated. And by the way…if this joke of a ‘plan’ actually could be implemented, wouldn’t it create a huge underground economy where people just traded & bartered goods & services, rather than purchase them (and thus pay taxes on them)?

By Copyleft

May 22, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Mr. Bookman: Keep up the good work—and keep trying to make this place at least SLIGHTLY civil and sane!

By Greg

May 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

There is a lot of misinformation on here regarding the FairTax and what the price of something you will buy will be after it is enacted. Remember, it’s only on new goods or services and in most cases the price will remain the same, but with the FairTax you keep your ENTIRE paycheck, except state income taxes if your state collects it. In addition, it taxes illegal activity like drug dealers, prostitution, and illegal aliens who currently do not pay income tax. If Congress wants to pander to lobbyists or raise the amount of the FairTax it’s up to us, the voters, to show our displeasure. We did it with the amnesty bill; we certainly can do it if they want to increase taxes in such a visible way.

The best argument in favor of the FairTax is this: How many people actually enjoy filing their taxes each year? Fine me one person who does!

By BR

May 22, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

Reebok, you are dead wrong. Love it or not, the “Bush” tax cuts DID IN FACT cut taxes for everyone who pays them (to one extent or another) and revenues went UP.

By BR

May 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Reebok, you are dead wrong. Love it or not, the “Bush” tax cuts DID IN FACT cut taxes for everyone who pays them (to one extent or another) and revenues went UP.

By JR

May 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Just Nasty and Mean. Yes you can buy business property car.trucks airplanes etc. tax free at the time of purchase. However when you dispose of them the fair market value is taxed. So if you created a business bought a car, used it 10 years or so and sold it you would probably have to pay 500 or 600 dollars in taxes at that point. Of course I would start a business. Actually a lot of them.

By Greg

May 22, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

Reebok: look at the last 7 years… lower taxes have proven to provide more revenue for the Federal gov’t. Is there an underground ecomomy now? Do people lie on their tax returns, no… no one lies on their tax returns or doesn’t pay them now(cough cough Wesley Snipes, cough).

By Skeptic Tank

May 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

If the Fair Tax was being touted by anyone OTHER than a rich blowhard, perhaps it would take on a air of legitimacy. As it is, I will wait for internationally recognized economists to tell me that this system is fool-proof. Neal Boortz has become rich by talking louder than his detractors, and then hitting the dump button when they best him in an argument. Now he has figured out a way to accomplish the same without having to open his mouth, by allowing his sycophants (see above blog entries) to do his trash-talking for him.

Here’s the final take on the Fair Tax: Rich people win, poor and middle class people lose, and the federal and state governments will continue to rape and pillage the fine citizens of the United States of America.

By Matt

May 22, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

GOB, Some of us work for companies that have majority of their assets in the U.S. However, their corporate headquarters are in the Bahamas, which keeps them from paying corporate taxes here in the U.S. Our current corporate tax rate is 35%. Please read this articles that explains the effects of high corporate taxes. Its a little dated as the most current data is taken from 2002 (pre-Bush Tax Cuts, I believe). http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0204.html

By Greg

May 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Bdawg - YOU get the prebate and decide what to purchase with it. The prebate calculates what the cost of the basic necessities of life are (bread, milk, etc.) and gives you the money to buy it. All of these questions are answered in the book. If you can’t afford to buy one you can read it for FREE at the library.

By Greg

May 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Skeptic Tank: I am not one of the “evil RICH”, but I hope to be one day, and I support the FairTax. Maybe you should stop your wealthy envy and hatred for those who have achieved more than you and try to make something of yourself.

By Red Foreman

May 22, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

Dang Jay, I kinda feel a little discriminated against…

By Jay Bookman

May 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Everybody is judged by their behavior, ain’t that right, Red.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman, Yous talks just like me! Yous said the werd ain’t. Does that make me a pathetic white person?

By Jay Bookman

May 22, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

No, Truth, IF you’re a pathetic white person, I’m sure it’s for reasons other than your use of the word ‘ain’t.’

By Red Foreman

May 22, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I am truly sorry for my comments and I will do my best to be a better person in the future…

Now as far as a fair tax goes, we need something that is better. My opinion is that everyone who earns an income should pay. The percentage should be equal from top to bottom and the best way to do that is pay on what we consume rather than what we make. If we(Democrat,Republican,Independent…) can come up with a better system, I am all ears. The Fair Tax system is a start but we need input and cooperation from everyone.

By Scooter

May 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, Mr. Bookman’s politics depend on dividing Americans by wealth to plunder the employers and enrich the “worker”. If your politics were based on that premise why would you want a tax system that takes that division away?

Change is always resisted and we mustn’t waste our time trying to convince people with a vested interest in the status quo.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman, Oh. I guess I’s too stoopid to keep up with yer smart comments. I mean, you did call me a pathetic white person the other day on your blog for not agreeing with your comments on race.

FYI: Boortz is ten times smarter than you and that may be the reason you’re scared about debating him.

By Jay Bookman

May 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

No Truth, I did not. You’re beginning to make me think that “Truth” is one of those sarcastic names, like calling a short guy “Stretch” or a fat guy “Slim.” What I said is that I think it’s sad and pathetic for white people to be whining about being victims of racism. I did not say you were a pathetic person.

By JR

May 22, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Jay, would it be possible to publish a transcript of the debate that Boortz had with Cynthia Tucker on gun control. i would love for the Boortz faithful to see his intelligent level as a debater.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Jay Bookman, Oh, so racism only works when it’s black people accusing white people? Cause last time I checked racism was racism not matter what the color of skin was.

By Copyleft

May 22, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

More baiting from TheLies, Bookman; he’s a master!

Don’t waste your time on him.

By The Truth

May 22, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

Copylooser, Lies? About what? You continually call me a liar yet you’ve never pointed out anything that I’ve lied about. Don’t you have pizzas to deliver? I’m sure you need drug money.

By BoneHead

May 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

I have lived all around the country and by far the most racist place is Atlanta, and the white people are not the racist here. The Atlanta Journal for Communist paper is one of the greatest propagators of racism that I have ever seen.

By AL

May 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

NEVER EVER , EVER EMBRACE SOCIALISM !!! To many good people have given their lives for our way of life. Don’t allow the government to take your hard earned money away from you and distribute it as THEY see fit. RESIST WEALTH RE-DISTRIBUTION !! It will destroy us and turn us into a two-bit society we won’t even recognize. Check Obama’s voting record. When ask about capital gain tax increase at the debate he said I’m raising because it’s the “FAIR” thing to do. Fair to who? NO SOCIALISM!!

By Analchord

May 22, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Socialism is good. I’ll say it again. Socialism, for lack of a better word, is GOOD! Socialism works. Ask Archer Daniels Midland. Ask any congressman about his socialized healthcare plan. He loves it! Ask any lobbyist about how great corporate welfare is.

Go soak your head!

By William L. Fell

May 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Thank you for your efforts against the FT, Jay. I have been working to sink this gift for the wealthy for two years now. I’m happy to see so many people see if for the sham it is. Passing the FT would lead this country to an aristocracy because it is the consumate tax break for the rich.

By Skeptic Tank

May 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Jay: OK, this is off-topic, and maybe you won’t want to answer BECAUSE it is off-topic, but…

…in your opinion, could a white person be the victim of prejudice? Do most people confuse the terms “racism” and “prejudice”?

By Will

May 23, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Over one year ago Neal Boortz posted an invitation for you to debate him on the Fair Tax in front of an audience at the college of your choice (pick a liberal one - they almost all are): http://boortz.com/nuze/200704/04262007.html

Back up your views in front of people and quit hiding behind your columns and a phone. Surely the offer still stands…step up or keep hiding!!! Prove him wrong and watch your self soar into media history!!!

By AL

May 23, 2008 7:27 AM | Link to this

ANALCHORD askthe Germans how they liked Socialism JACKA$$. How did Marxism work out there sport? Have you been to a VA Hospital and gotten a taste of government healthcare? You’re an idiot!!! Go to Canada or VZ.

By Hmmmmm

May 23, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this

Typical brain washing from the left. The liberal leadership has succeeded in creating class warfare. Just listen to most of these posts from the left, they all smack of wealth envy! What a tragedy! We have a CRIMINAL tax system that is so obvious, its ridiculous how ANYONE could defend. We have a “UNDERGROUND” economy that probably borders in the billions of dollars of lost revenue, and the MINDLESS left, and some of the MINDLESS right oppose a alternative that everyone will pay! Good grief people, GOOD people are going to jail because of the IRS! THIS IS INSANE! What started out as a TEMPORARY tax MUST BE STOPPED! It is sucking the life blood out of this country… Black, white, hispanic, all AMERICANS must come together and take our country back from the ELITE politicians that care NOTHING about you!

By Jay Bookman

May 23, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

To Will: Let me make this as clear as possible. On several occasions — running into hours of airtime by now — Boortz has used his syndicated radio show to distort and misrepresent my positions on the FairTax and to attack me personally. So if he wants to talk, let’s do it on that show. Let’s allow his devoted audience of true believers to actually hear the other side for once, from someone willing and able to respond to his bluster with logic and facts and expose the nonsense Boortz peddles to the gullible. It’s very easy to set up: I sit at one microphone. He sits at the other. We talk. He refuses to allow that. You may wonder why. I do not. Is that clear enough?

By Hmmmmm

May 23, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Jay

Please, NOBODY with a pulse believes that a radio personality like Boortz would turn down a chance to debate. I am NO fan of Boortz, matter of fact I find him to be a very RUDE person. Your story makes NO sense, so please make up a story that at least is plausible!

By Jay Bookman

May 23, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

To: Hmmmm Then find one case in which Boortz has invited me to appear ON-AIR with him. He has repeatedly refused, but hey, if you think such an offer exists, go find it. I’ll wait…

By tony

May 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Since when has “logic and facts” been a part of any liberal argument. Try using the words “feel and care” Jay. They are more appealing to people of your mindset.

By Tony

May 23, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

and by the way….

I understand the flaws of the Fair Tax. I am also quite familiar with the punitive tax code that we currently have. There needs to be a national debate about taxation. All ideas need to be on the table. It is time to stop robbing the taxpayer to pay welfare (corporate and to the lazy class).

By Will

May 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Jay,

Come on man - meet up with him in person - a live debate for the ages!!

Understanding why you would rather do it on the air, can you please give us some reasons why you oppose the fair tax? I was unable to listen yesterday and could not find a link to replay the debate. To me I take offense to you placing me in the gullible category - I have read the Fair Tax book and have also looked at many criticisims and they all come from people who are mis-informed or ignorant - in my humble opinion I believe the Fair Tax would help the poor, create tons of jobs and turn our economny into the best possibly imaginable.

 

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