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DEL.ICIO.USFrancoeur: I will not fail again
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Spring training came early for Jeff Francoeur this year. (Or next year, as you see it.) As soon as he got off the Braves’ plane from Houston, he was on the road to Athens, where it would begin. Athens is where he checked in and went to work on his body with a physical therapist.
After a season of a .239 batting average, only 11 home runs and a disturbing number of strikeouts, he went in search of the former Francoeur who had brought many a crowd to its feet at Turner Field. His game had made some recovery in the closing days, to the point that he had been moved to cleanup in the batting order against the Astros. Then he struck out three times in the last game.
“What happened to me this year will not happen again,” he said, with a steely glint in his eyes. He had checked into the Disney World camp at a plumpish 238 pounds, a figure unbecoming him. He had been wed in the offseason and perhaps grew a little fat and happy as a husband.
“I weigh 218 now, always my game weight, and I’ve got to get the rest of me in baseball shape. Nobody looked forward to the end of this season more than I did.”
For the first time in his life he heard boos, in his hometown, from people who had once adored him. “I had never failed like I did this year. I’ve always succeeded in what I did. I’ve never known what it is to fail,” he said with feeling. “This will not happen again, I promise.”
Before the 2007 season, the Braves had offered Francoeur and catcher Brian McCann extended contracts for something like $24 million over six years (I don’t guarantee these numbers, but they’re close), a practice eschewed by John Schuerholz when he was general manager. Presumably, this was Frank Wren’s deal as Schuerholz’s successor.
McCann took it. Francoeur turned it down. There was speculation then that this was a situation that bore heavily on his sagging season, but don’t suggest that to him. “Not at all. I have more faith in myself than that. I’ve always succeeded in what I did. I’ve never been known to fail,” he said, in a voice firm and gritty. “I guess I took a lot for granted. If I could persevere through this, I can persevere through anything.”
After all the lifting and physical grind, he’ll move into some concentrated hitting exercises, tuning his swing toward the spring. “I’m looking forward to next spring right now,” he said. “I want to have a season my wife can enjoy more than this one has been.”
In other words, this is not just for himself, but all those out there who have become addicted to “Frenchy,” a hometown kid they had become attached to. They knew him first as a football star at Parkview High, and a chance at two careers on a major level — football on a Clemson scholarship, or baseball with the Braves and a gracious bonus. He is certain he made the right choice, and those who love him, and having been among the booers, feel the same way.
Can’t wait for the spring after the gloomiest season the Braves have had since 1990.
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By Steve Lloyd
October 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Frenchy is a good kid, and i’m sure no one felt worse than he did about the season he had. I’ve watched frenchy since 2002, and everything has always come easy to him. It will be interesting to see how he handles this first taste of adversity life has shown him. I am sure he will work very hard to improve. GOOD LUCK FRENCHY!!
By Rico Carty
October 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this
If he can’t turn it around by the all-star break next year, I expect the Braves to send him packing. It can’t be soon enough, as far as I’m concerned.
By caballo muerto
October 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Frenchie should keep all the rah-rah talk to himself, and let his hitting do the talking. Guarantees mean next to nothing right now.
I wish they could get something for him in a trade (I know they can’t), and ship him out. Too much emotion involved with him. The hometown loyalty issue shouldn’t have to be considered by the Braves.
Just win baby.
By Bo
October 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this
This will not happen again,I promise!! Talks cheap, I’ll have to see it. Its not that easy, just ask A. Jones. I hope the Braves trade him. He should have been on the pine are in AAA. Bobby gave him a free ride like he did A. Jones. Cox needs to play the best not favorites.
By jackdeckerr
October 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
francoeur sucks He is clearly too stupid to become good. If he thinks going back to what used to work will be effective than he is dumber than i thought. This isnt high school and opposing pitching clearly learned after his first half season how to beat him. He is stubborn and stupid and needs to learn to go the other way, or just spend the rest of his career in the minors and stop ruining things for the fans.
By DAP01
October 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
bla, bla, bla
By pantherman
October 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this
he should have taken the money before the season and not gotten wrapped up in being a businessman. he’s a ballplayer. got a little too heavy too. maybe he started playing major league baseball for granted already?
By Realist
October 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
He showed up fat, and he proclaimed he was in great shape. Then he proceeded to hit .230.
Braves fans have seen that movie before from a star outfielder, and no one is interested in watching it again.
If he listens to Chipper and McCann and shows up fit, focused and ready to be a professional hitter, he has a chance to make a comeback. But it’s going to take a lot of plate discipline and a lot of work on the holes in his swing. It’s not going to happen by sheer force of will.
By PEPr
October 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
Mr Bisher
You have been around baseball a long time. I’m sure you remember when it was heresy for a baseball player to lift weights. I played semi-pro/Army ball in the late fifties and sixties. The only teammates (Army) that I ever saw lift was football players that were filling time until the football season started and they were what we called “muscle-bound”. No flexibility. My belief is that the primary strength exercises a baseball position player should do is hand, wrist and forearm. For pitchers, their legs. I am a “Frenchy” fan. I hope he learned a lesson from this past season when (I believe) his off-season lifting left him where he could not get on top of high pitches or adjust to the inside ones. His inability to adjust to the breaking balls down and away really amplified the tighness of his upper body. The ” lifting and physical grind” makes me wonder if he understands the “lifting” downside. The “physical grind” is okay; be careful of the “lifting”. Best wishes, Frenchy>
By DAWG
October 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this
I have known Jeff since he was 7 years old. He is one the most humble guys you would ever meet. All you people talking bad about him, are you out there everyday dealing with what he does. He struggles and has one bad year and your ready to bash him. Some of you people who only get to dream at what Jeff does need to grow up. Jeff will be back and he will shut all you naysayers up!!
By Gerry
October 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Dang, You’re a hard bunch. Good thing you’re not in charge. Maybe sticking with someone who’s still learning the ropes would be wiser if you’re trying to build a winner. So, Jeff vows to do better. All right! Do it!
By DAWG
October 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
I have known Jeff since he was 7 years old. He is one the most humble guys you would ever meet. All you people talking bad about him, are you out there everyday dealing with what he does. He struggles and has one bad year and your ready to bash him. Some of you people who only get to dream at what Jeff does need to grow up. Jeff will be back and he will shut all you naysayers up!!
By Matt
October 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Hang in there Jeff. This city is behind you. It is not that we question your effort whatsoever, just the results. You’ll pull through this. Anyway, it’s not like this team was near playoff-caliber, even if you go .325 BA 40HR 130 RBI.
By Mr. Natural
October 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
When Frenchy hit the show his at bats were all about turning and using his hands. The results were near awesome. Then he got smart. He watched Chipper and his buddy Brian McCann succeed with their natural toe tap and he fixed a swing that wasn’t broken. While Chipper’s and McCann’s toe taps are rythmic and effective, Frenchy’s looks like he’s stomping on a rat. The results aren’t good. He’s lost his natural power, his hands can’t stay back and his head is moving. He needs to do what he does best: Turn and use his hands.
By jag
October 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
needs a lighter bat which will give more bat speed.by the time the bat reaches the ball its too late.frenchy can bounce back next season. jag
By Kentavo
October 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
“extended contracts for something like $24 million over six years (I don’t guarantee these numbers, but they’re close)..”
Wow, Furman, way to do your research. Have you heard of a li’l ol’ thing called the Internet, it’s only been around for about 15 years or so - and I’m sure the AJC has archives you can use.
By BravesFan79
October 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Gluck Frenchy… us true Braves fans r pulling for ya…
By Jon F.
October 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
Good luck, Frenchie. For your sake and the team’s, I hope your efforts translate to success on the field. But seriously folks, that was one of the worst seasons ever for an everyday rightfielder. If Jeff can’t turn it around, the Braves have to move on (and don’t wait through another miserable year). If he does, then he should get the comeback player of the year award. The season was that terrible! The fact that the braves have stuck with him so long shows how talented he is, and how much the organization believes in him.
By Dave
October 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Anyone who is ready to give up on Franceour by next year is an IDIOT!
His case was one where he had TOO MUCH success too fast. He found he could hit the fastball down in the zone and ANY breaking pitch inside, and he thrived.
Eventually, the pitchers figured that they could use his natural aggressiveness against him with a breaking pitch off the plate or a letter-high fastball.
He is now learning that major league baseball is a game of constant adjustments. He needs to learn to TAKE that high fastball for a ball and MAKE the pitcher throw him a pitch he can handle.
This kid STILL has the potential to be another Dale Murphy, hitting 30 - 40 home runs, consistently driving in 100 runs, and hit between .280 - .300 for the nedxt 15 years!
If the Braves give up on him by the All-Star Break next year, there will be 31 other teams LINING UP with prospects to take him off their hands!
Frank Wren knows this, and he and Bobby Cox WILL have patience. It would take some type of Michael Vick-like incident to get Franceour off the Braves’ roster anytime before 2011.
Just my humble opinion…
By Kudzu
October 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
Jeff got married…nuff said.
By GT 81
October 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
I’d like to believe him, but I agree with several comments here that more workouts are not the answer. He’s got to accept that he’s not Man Ram or A Rod. Shoot, even those two hit the outside pitch to the opposite field. He’s more like a JD Drew: .280, 20, 100. There’s nothing wrong with that, and he could have a good career doing that. If he keeps thinking he’s .320, 40, 120, he’s just going to not have career. Maybe he could play WR for the Rams.
By Billy
October 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
We’ll find out soon enough if this year was an abberation or a sign of things to come.
By ND
October 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
2009 Comeback Player of the Year
By Bob
October 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Good luck Jeff. Work hard this off-season because most of Braves fans would love to have you back in the lineup every day and hitting the ball well.
By OldTimer
October 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Jeff Francoeur is Andruw Jones on fast forward Death by cheeseburger.
By Bob
October 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Good luck Jeff. Work hard this off-season because most of us Braves fans would love to have you back in the lineup every day and hitting the ball well.
By TBraveFan
October 7, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this
Hang in there Jeff - there is a lot of us who definitely believe in you and stand behind you! Next year you will have your best year ever - I just hope you don’t give up on the Braves and will stay to show all of those moronic Brave fans who booed you this season that you are a much bigger and better man than they could ever hope to be.
Can’t wait to see you in ST! Please stay…
By B0
October 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this
Where is the hitting instructor in all this? I loved TP as a player, but he could not fix AJ and he does not appear to have JF’s ear either. He and Cox both need to go!
By jed
October 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
kudzu writes “jeff got married…nuff said.”
what’s that supposed to mean? i’m married. that doesnt mean i stopped showiing up for work, or somehow am given a pass for phoning it in. and at these salaries? are you insane?
By jed
October 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
kudzu writes “jeff got married…nuff said.”
what’s that supposed to mean? i’m married. that doesnt mean i stopped showiing up for work, or somehow am given a pass for phoning it in. and at these salaries? are you insane?
By jed
October 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
kudzu writes “jeff got married…nuff said.”
what’s that supposed to mean? i’m married. that doesnt mean i stopped showiing up for work, or somehow am given a pass for phoning it in. and at these salaries? are you insane?
By Drew
October 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this
Funny, Athens seems to cure all man’s woes.
It’s were I spent 4+ years of my life making myself feel better.
Being 9 months removed and working in Florida now, I wish I was on my way to Athens to see my therapists; the fine barkeeps of Lumpkin, College, Jackson and Clayton. Oh, and not to forget all of Milledge Avenue minus the fraternities.
By BrandonC
October 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this
If he’s not hitting for the first 4-6 weeks of the 2009 season, Cox should bench him. I’m sick of him getting a free ride just because he is a local kid. I know he draws people to the park when he’s hitting, but he should be treated like a major leaguer.
By lin
October 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this
well i know he is stubburn like a jones was with braves thats all i got to say
By dave
October 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this
After reading some of the comments, I wonder what kind of Braves fan is ready to dump Jeff without giving him a chance to back-up his words with action. My guess is most of you who “want to dump the bum” are visitors from up north. Most of us who are from here or have lived down here for a while are more considerate than that. Maybe you so head back north and root for your Metts or Sox’s.
By Drew
October 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
By the way, to be a good hitter in baseball; one needs to have quick wrists and a keen eye.
1) Jeff wraps his bat in his stance. It’s killed me ever since I threw against him in HS. I threw 83-85 back then, never hard enough to capitalize on him wrapping his bat, even though he only went 1-3 off me.
2) a keen eye is synonymous with discipline. He needs to learn to pick and choose his spots; work counts in his favor, etc etc etc.
If he does that he’ll be fine. Jeff, go talk with Howie.
By Bravo
October 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this
He is a punk. He dogged it against the A’s here at home, and because of the home-town fans, they gave him a free ride. Disgusting. Any other city he would be held accontable. What a joke… and McJerk doesn’t help. Why did we get rid of Tex? Should have dumped “Frenchy- Francine” and others first. Liberty and Liberty’s boy McGuirk both suck.
By tsmonk
October 7, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Walks would be nice.
By Smyrntown
October 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this
Jeff is obviously a great kid and appears from the outside to be doing everything right. As much as we all want him to succeed, it doesn’t mean he’ll start laying off the high cheese and breaking balls low and away. That said, if more guys were like Frenchy, MLB would be a much better product - he puts the team first, he’s a local prospect living his childhood dream, and is a great example to kids on and off the field.
By dICK
October 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this
Jeff has always been overrated. His rookie season an second season was a fluke. I would trade if he possibility came about. He will always try to be Brian #2 but there is only one McCain.
By Mark
October 7, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this
I’m behind you 100%. I’m pulling for you unlike some of these fairweather fans.
By swingandamiss
October 7, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
I believe it was Terence Moore who always, every spring, wrote what ‘great shape Andruw is in, ready to become…’ I also believe it was TM who wrote the same about Frenchy’s rippling muscles this past spring…well, not so much. I hope he succeeds, I truly do. Not because he’s an Atlanta guy (so am I), but because I want the Braves to win again. However, I wouldn’t bet on it. Why? After a season of dismal failure, he never learned anything about how to hit. Proof? Last game box score. The future of the Braves in right field is in A ball at Rome. Jason Heyward has power, speed, arm, batting average and oh yes, he’s also an Atlanta guy.
By UGA75
October 7, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this
There is enough negative comments on either the business pages or the political pages, tearing down a young man in the prime of his life just displays ignorance not baseball savy. Jeff has a bad year, the Braves had a bad year, if you study baseball history you know most players and teams share that fate. A-Rod wasn’t great this year, the Yankees failed to make the post season, and in case you naysayers haven’t noticed banks and businesses are failing at all time highs.
Jeff, imho, just needs to slow down a little and let the natural gifts GOD gave him work for him. When you are slumping everything speeds up, because your mind tries to overcome events, and our physical bodies can’t move as fast as our brains work. Getting away from the game, just not thinking about baseball will be a blessing to Jeff and his lovely wife.
It would be great if only those who have never failed in their own lives or endeavors would attempt to criticize Jeff, but that would be a very short list, wouldn’t it?
By Glad Andrew's Gone Too
October 7, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Francoeur never was that good of a baseball player.
He was a good defensive back at Parkview HS and would have done well at Clemson.
It was the AJC sports staff that was determined to build him up into a major leaguer. There were pictures of him in the paper with short snippets at least twice a week for over a year.
Well the AJC got him to the majors, but they can’t bat (or rather strike out) for him. He is just not very good.
The Braves need to unload him NOW. Get someone who can drive the baseball through the gap for a freaking hit.
By Susan
October 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this
He doesn’t seem very smart, does he? Can he take instruction? Does he understand situational hitting? It seems he’s just a swing and grunt sort of player.
Jeff shows off the arm at the wrong times allowing runners to advance into scoring position. I think it might be good for all concerned to trade him to another organization and everyone can have a fresh start.
He speaks in cliches, doesn’t he? Might try reading a book.
By curtis
October 7, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
Luv ya, Mr. Bisher…always have. But this is seriously a fluff piece that overlooks a lot of baggage.
Does anyone believe that Frenchy’s 3-day “demotion to AA did him, or anyone else any good? What a huge snafu. As if his hitting woes were solved by three days in the minors. And then he comes back as woeful as ever.
It was also kind of Mr. Bisher not to mention Frenchy’s abysmal BA with the bases loaded, or runners in scoring position, etc. This guy batted behind some of the best hitters in baseball, and couldn’t hit the ball with a boat paddle. He left a lot of winning runs stranded on base. As bad as Braves pitching was in the second half, they rarely pitched with a lead, because the Braves couldn’t score.
Meanwhile, Cox acted like Frenchy was staying in the lineup for his defense, while Frenchy constantly overthrew cutoff men, catchers and backstops.
As for how many teams would gladly offer prospects for this guy, I seriously doubt it. If Cox & Co. give this kid another full year to fail next year, it’s back to 4th (or 5th) place.
By Rob
October 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
Ok….Im a MET Fan, and you know what would make me happy, is to see Jeff succeed. Why, in the era of over priced, spoiled athletes, I do not see him as one. I see a kid that tried to bulk up, and it didnt work, I figured it wouldnt since hitting is not about how big you are, but how much bat speed you get. Muscle slows bat speed down. Jeff, your doing right by laying off the weights, work on hand eye coordination, and next year, hit 290 with 25 homeruns and well, do well against every team except the Mets!!!! You so called Braves fans, would boo their own mother if she failed!!!, shame on you!
By australopithecus
October 7, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this
What are the Braves now? A nursery? If he can’t hit or field, GET RID OF HIM.
All you “true” fans and “pals” of Francoeur, gimme a break. What a bunch of saps. Yeah, long as your happy, jock-sniffers. Braves lose, but your bbf boyfriend gets to play RF.
What a bunch women.
By australopithecus
October 7, 2008 8:54 PM | Link to this
you + are = you’re not your
That’s for you kids out there. STAY IN SCHOOL!
By aaron
October 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
good luck jeff.
the real braves fans are still with you, take some time off, clear your head and get back to work. it’s just a game and you’ve got the talent to be an all star, so just have fun with it and prove all the doubters wrong.
By JohnGTFan
October 7, 2008 9:28 PM | Link to this
I’ll be the first to admit that I was disappointed at how Frenchy performed this season. But wow you people are rough. He’s still a kid. If nothing else, give him a shot. We all love our favorite teams and have a lot of passion about them, but to bash this kid like this is dumb. NONE of you know him personally…nor will you ever. We will all see what happens next season. Have a little faith. Remember, could be worse…could be the Cubs!!! How would you like to have a stud like Soriano just completely pull an “A-Rod” in October. No, I’d rather have a kid who was humbled for the first time in his life…because I believe he will learn from it and do what he has to do to show not all of us, but himself and his organization that he belongs.
By supajro
October 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this
bisher, you’re mistaken. francoeur wasn’t “plump and happy” coming into spring training; he put on 20 lbs of muscle and that backfired. get it right next year, frenchy!
By Salty Dawg
October 7, 2008 9:34 PM | Link to this
This will not happen again,I promise!! Talks cheap, I’ll have to see it. Its not that easy, just ask A. Jones.
The difference being that Jones took the “things will come around” approach while Francoeur has shown a willingness, even a commitment, to making necessary changes to prevent another disappointing season. Jones refused to get his fat a55 in shape, which was likely a key reason for his diminished abilities.
I’m all for giving the guy a second chance to get his game together. If he has a repeat of this season there is little doubt it will be his last in a Braves uniform, at least at this level. But everyone who calls themselves a Braves fan, or a fan of any team for that matter, needs to remember that there is a huge mental aspect to sports performance and having supposed fans booing you is a sure fire way put you in a funk. Fair weather fans need to support the guy while he is there regardless of whether or not they feel like he should be there. Look at it this way, how well would you perform in the sack if your wife or girlfriend was giving you crap the whole time and telling you that you suck?
By marie
October 7, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this
What a bunch of whinners…blah blah blah.
You’ll be back, Jeff! Good Luck!!
By Ramblin Wrek
October 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Link to this
Good luck Frenchy! Love watching you play. Best of luck in the upcoming season. Seeing someone like you succeed when faced with an adversity, who is always watching out for the fans, will be great to see. I’ve met Frenchy several times and he is definitely one of the humblest people you will ever meet! Failure is the best teacher and I believe Frenchy is one that can rebound…he is still so young! Watch out NL. Can’t wait till 09 to see the breakthrough of Frenchy!!!!
By McFann Ô
October 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Link to this
dICK He will always try to be Brian #2 but there is only one McCain.
Uh…That’s McCann.
Kudzu jeff got married…nuff said.
Yeah, that’s not the problem. McCann got married, too, and he did just fine.
By Steve
October 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Link to this
Unless he can make the adjustments needed and be patient at the plate and become a professional hitter, I think we will see similar results again next season. Good kid and likable local guy for sure and an excellent overall athlete, but not a real hitter. Hope I am wrong and he has a break out season!
By justafan
October 7, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this
Dave you are the idiot!! In case you didn’t read DOB post, Mr. Wren said no team wanted to trade for Frenchy last trade dead line. I wish they were lined up, He would be gone.
To he!! with Parkview…he’s not in HS anymore and Parkview don’t pack the stands, local boy must perform to keep his job. Local boy should be treated the same as others…he’s not a golden boy anymore. TRADE his a@@. Oh, I forgot no one wants him.
By prattvillenolzfan
October 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this
Hey McFann…
What are you doing up this late at night!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By McFann Ô
October 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Link to this
prattvillenolzfan—
Hey! How ya doin’?
What are you doing up this late at night!!!
Waitin’ for the debate to be over.
By Supes
October 7, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this
I’m so sick and tired of people questioning fans who criticize Jeff for his abismal 2008 season. Have you ever heard of a passionate fanbase? Yeah, there are some of us who expect and demand better from Jeff…why? Because he showed us what he’s capable of doing for the Atlanta Braves.
If blindly supporting Jeff, even when he fails to deliver with the bases packed or a 3 strikeout game makes you “a true Braves fan”…then I guess I’m not one!
I expect and demand excellence from Jeff. Until he delivers he will continue to hear it from me others like minded.
The Braves are a proud franchise, and he was a big part of the failure that was 2008. Worst part of it…was his struggles weren’t injury related (like everyone else on the team). He was healthy and he failed to deliver. Braves were counting on him and he let the team down, and the fans down.
He realizes, why can’t you blind Jeff public defenders do the same?
I wish Jeff all the best, he is an Atlanta Brave at the moment, and I want the best for my favorite team that I have supported for the last 16 years!
Go Braves!
By monty
October 7, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this
Frenchiie needs to realize that power comes from swing sweed which doesn’t corelate with having more muscle mass. It’s like in a golf swing timing is everything. Proper muscles contractions in their proper sequence. THere are your Mark Mcquires and there are your “Toy Cannons”(Jimmy Wynn) 5’8” 160lbs. or Hank Aaron 5’11” 180 lbs.
If I were him I would go lean again.Work on the fast twitch muscles that are used for speed. THE easiest muscles to add bulk to are not even the muscles are necessarily needed to hit homeruns.
By BravesFan79
October 7, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this
Why do some of yall idiots hate a selfless player like Jeff Franceour?? The REAL dudes you should hate are the lame rapper wanna bes like Lasting (im gonna beat u woman and kill your kids) Millidge, and Elijah ( i get 17 year olds pregnant and then throw bottles at their head when they admit it was me) Dukes.
These punks are good for nothing. Ship them, OJ, Pacman, Ocho Stinco, Shaq, TO, and Puff (if gas prices get much higher ill have to resort to riding first class on Delta) Diddly Crap. Ship em all off to Africa to learn some HUMILITY….and take Josh (i hate America) Howard with you!!!
These are the midless fools that we as a society need to hate. Not hardworking, married (not making more fatherless kids) homegrown guys like Jeff F.
By CKnight
October 8, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this
Jeff, if you’re reading this, understand that there is something wrong when you can’t hit a fastball and you know it’s coming. See Nick Esasky. Find a smaller bat, lower your front elbow, and raise your back elbow. Then thank me later.
By Wilson
October 8, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this
THE REASON THAT TBS HAS BAD RATINGS IS THAT IT IS A CABLE CHANNEL!!!!
I WOULD HAVE WATCHED EVERY GAME, BUT DIDN’T BECAUSE THE PLAYOFFS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON CABLE.
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IT WILL ALL BE ON DIRECT TV, jerks
By Joshg
October 8, 2008 1:39 AM | Link to this
Dont compare Andruw to Francoeur.. Andruw was a superstar and francoeur never will be. Andruw has 11 gold gloves and Frenchy has one BECAUSE of Andruw.. He wont win another one ever again! He’s horrible in the OF- Andruw is a 5 time all-star and Frenchy has 0. Andruw hit over 25 homers for 10 straight years!!! CAN YOU SEE WHY COX DIDNT BENCH HIM! Andruw is a braves legend and Jeff is a wannabe-maybe-might be… Don’t ever mention those to in the same breath! Andruw was the heart and soul of the braves!!
By Tim
October 8, 2008 2:58 AM | Link to this
WOW!!!!
First off I can’t believe some people are willing to give up on him. How soon everyone forgets that he kid batter .293 in 2007?
Frenchy has learned his lesson about being to big and now he is gonna do something about it. That’s good to hear unlike A. Jones who could care less about trying to get better.
I guaranteed Francoeur will post the following numbers: .275 BA, 25 HR, 95 RBI. Book it.
By kevin
October 8, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this
Okay Frenchy Francoeur promise we see to it but if TP n cox have somesay he be at be at .212 by may….and he be in richmond Um gwinnett playin AAA ball…
By CC1973
October 8, 2008 4:27 AM | Link to this
Frenchy, I hope your not reading this…. because there are obviously some jerks on here that feel they could do a better job. I’m pretty sure 99 percent of them can’t, and the other one percent would just get lucky. But if you are reading, then please take these words to heart: don’t worry about what all of these “fans” are saying. Stay true to yourself, find your confidence and then go back out there and do it for you, not for us. Get your mind right, forget about all of what has been said about you (both good and bad; because your probably not as good as everyone thought you were at first, but I know you are not as bad as most on here think you are) and then go out there and do it for yourself. Just like in Bull Durham- “don’t think, meat. Just do it.” Good luck, Frenchy. And I too can’t wait for spring training.
By I Hate Baseball
October 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
Yall are all haters. Andruw for 1 was one of the best CFielders that the braves had in a while. Situations arise and things happen. And with Francouer he had a bad season who cares, when yall go to yall 9 to 5’s do yall succeed all the time? I bet you dont. Good luck next year Jeff and to A. Jones go ahead and get you a ring to rub it in the braves face.
By I Hate Baseball
October 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
Yall are all haters. Andruw for 1 was one of the best CFielders that the braves had in a while. Situations arise and things happen. And with Francouer he had a bad season who cares, when yall go to yall 9 to 5’s do yall succeed all the time? I bet you dont. Good luck next year Jeff and to A. Jones go ahead and get you a ring to rub it in the braves face.
By 82DAWG
October 8, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
All he is doing is building his resume so Boras can get him a Tiexiera-like contract. If not, he would have signed when McCann did. He has no loyalty to the fans of Atlanta and I don’t see why I should have any loyalty to him. If he signs a long term deal with Wren then I will change my opinion of him. Until then, in the words of Tommy Lee Jones, “I don’t care”.
By Fond du Lac Fans
October 8, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
Frechy is the best and will get things back on track! We love him and wish him the Lord’s blessings!
By Balk
October 8, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
Some fat heads in the front office should be sent packing or winging it.
By richbrave
October 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this
I’m waitin’ on that pudding to search for the truth Mr. FRANCOUER. Sayin’ ain’t doin’ and you’ve got lots to prove. You’re gettin’ paid, so get on with it.
By TheCutMan
October 8, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
I appreciate the sentiments and comments of DAWG on Francouer. Rare insight into the character of the young man and as such, there now is a genuine expectation for me that 2009 will be a turnaround year for Jeff.
By vic
October 8, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
Joshg, The Dodger water boy did more to help the Dodgers win than A.Jones=139ba.Joe not like Bobby put his butt on the bench.It was more important to win than keep playing AJ and hurt the team.( on dl 3/4 season to fat) He may not get a ring? 38 million bust.
Trade Frenchy and Fire Cox.
By tom
October 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
BB is the ultimate skill game at all positions. Watching him from right field seats this summer, he appeared way over weight and SLOWER by several steps, appearing more than awkward than any other RF in the league.Hitting is hand/bat speed, not ‘clean and jerk’. Whoever approved last years off season training regimen should be led to the door.
By BN
October 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
Frenchie lacks the following…
Quick hands/Wrists
Keen eye and discipline
Mental constration
Baseball body….
Some have it some don’t..
I bet he would have made a great Safety in football..
By Cecil34
October 8, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
While it is quite true and apparent to everyone that Jeff had a bad year, he showed enough talent in ‘06 and ‘07 to warrant giving him another chance in ‘09.
It is far too early to give up on him, and he is not comparable in any way to Andruw Jones.
The other great truth in baseball is that you should not lift weights to build mass, only to tone.
The steroid-taking players that bulked up were able to keep bat speeds and flexibility up because steroids enhance performance. Pure and simple.
Take steroids (and HGH) out of the equation and you have muscle-bound players who cannot keep bat speed up and maintain flexibility.
Baseball fans will notice that HR totals have now come back to earth - due to steroid testing and elimination.
They will also notice players now assuming the more normal look of a baseball player, instead of an NFL player trying baseball.
Jeff just bulked up naturally to increase power, and he knows now that was a mistake.
So look for him to rebound. He is a grounded young man who will prosper in baseball.
If he fails in ‘09, then they will address it at that time.
By Ronnie Kotler
October 8, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Local boy who should have never been drafted by local team.
By Jeff
October 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Frenchy is a nice kid….but he’s history. He will be packaged in a deal for starting pitching.
By Ole Joshy boy
October 8, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
Big Jeff is my hero. i play baseball and i love it im 16 now been playin for about 6 years and ive come along way. One of these days ide like to meet jeff and get his opinion on the game. He had a bad season but hey u know everyone makes mistakes. get em next time jeff!
By Ole Joshy boy
October 8, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
Big Jeff is my hero. i play baseball and i love it im 16 now been playin for about 6 years and ive come along way. One of these days ide like to meet jeff and get his opinion on the game. He had a bad season but hey u know everyone makes mistakes. get em next time jeff!
By mark
October 8, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Frenchy, shorten the bat, watch the ball in deeper over the plate and quit swinging for the stands in left field. Make the adjustments to see the ball better and try to drive the ball up the middle and to right field. Slow down the swing and go for base hits. Dont wind up like Ron Gant the hacker. You will be the man in 09’.
By Sports Fan
October 8, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
I like that Frenchy is a home town guy, but he’s just a terrible hitter. Can you say Andrew Jones???
By larry spillers
October 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Jeff has a deadly combination, a slow bat and slow first step in getting a jump on the ball in the outfield.
By larry spillers
October 8, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Jeff has a deadly combination, a slow bat and slow first step in getting a jump on the ball in the outfield.
By Miss Daisy
October 8, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Who cares? The only group of people with less intelligence than those that listen to rap music constantly, are those that listen to sports talk radio constantly. Professional sports is poor entertainment. If all professional sports disappeared today, there would be no big loss. The college game and even high school games are more enjoyable and closer to a pure sport.
By Doug B
October 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Albert Einstein said, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.”
Clearly Franoeur didn’t live up to his own expectations and those around him. He thus pressed too hard.
Unless he lets go of the stuff he did over and over again, he will not fulfill his promise.
Andruw Jones promised to get better too, but wouldn’t do what it took to hit the ball consistently, doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results while watching his batting average drop. He ruined his reputation as a hitter.
Jeff Francoeur isn’t going to get better until he lets himself make contact of the ball instead of finding ways to baffle himself at the plate swinging at pitches that aren’t in the strike zone.
Hope he indeed gets better. It is far more fun to watch a player play at his potential then to watch him flabberghast himself and his fans.
By not Pendleton
October 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Learn to swing at strikes. Only idiots throw strikes to Francour.
By dinosaur
October 8, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
that boy is not humble he is just as cocky and arrogant as chipper he has believed the sports illustrator cover story ever since he has always been the golden child the media always needs a new darling so when this cocky kid made a splash for a few weeks they jumped on it. They called him the natural they should have crowned him the hacker he just wants to hit home runs and be cheered like his high school days where he was treated like a king.
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By FRENCHRULES
October 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
EVERYBODY LEAVE JEFF FRANCOUER ALONE I cant say that I know him personally or that I have played hs ball against him, but what I can say is that his struggles he did have this year most certainly did not cause us to end up 20 games back… If your going to put Jeff on the block because of his bad year, I think it is only fair to put everybody else that struggled up… That would mean: BYE BYE to: Jose Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz, John Smoltz, Huddy, Glav, Any and all center fielders, except Prado, Johnson, Kotchman, and lillabridge… That means the braves would be left with Chipper, Brian, and JJurrgens…. Wow that will be tough to win with.
If French says that he is going to change then as a braves faithful season tic holder, and as a Francouer die hard fan then I will be glad to give him a chance. His presence on the field weather 0-5 or 5-5 makes the braves seem complete!!!
TRADING JEFF FRANCOUER OR LETTING BOBBY COX GO IS LIKE OBAMA WINNING PRESIDENT!!! IT IS JUST STUPID!!!
By Hal Todd
October 8, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Not only did Jeff have trouble using his bat, his fielding went from excellent to very poor. And what happened to the right fielder who dared the base runners to try to stretch another base, knew who the cuttoff man was, and threw accurately to him? Not last year, but maybe next.
By Hal Todd
October 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
Not only did Jeff have trouble using his bat, his fielding went from excellent to very poor. And what happened to the right fielder who dared the base runners to try to stretch another base, knew who the cuttoff man was, and threw accurately to him? Not last year, but maybe next.
By rxman
October 8, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Frenchy,Watched you back in the day of your finest hour against Lassiter in HS.Now professionals seek professionals-Talk to Chipper,Gwynn,Aaron etc they will tell you “KNOW THE STRIKE ZONE”.Use a computer tracker to watch pitches,study pitchers release points,lay off the shoe top curves etc.Chipper will tell you he ate “donuts” this offseason instead of the year before but learn one thing from him-he is one of the “BEST” contact hitters of all time-and takes his walks.You should also be a 20 steal guy.Work on your quickness (Velocity etc) not bulk (see Aaron).Your Perserverence will prevail-but do some hunting and fishing too for fun.”COMEBCK PLAYER 09” “GOOD LUCK”
By PJ
October 8, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
Frenchy does not need to swing at the first pitch every at bat that might help some too. This season may have helped him realize that he is not a “Natural”. He did come through on some occasions. One example being against the Diamondbacks, Frenchy hit a home run in the 9th to win the game.
By Chillymutt
October 8, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Even as Andruw’s production sunk, he still played fantastic defense. This past season Jeff went from being a weapon on defense to a big liability out in right field. He allowed his horrendous hitting to affect his play in the field - misplaying balls in the corner, bad throws, throws to wrong base. I really don’t know how Bobby kept him in the lineup. Hopefully Jeff can learn deal with failure in ‘09.
By Dack Jerrick
October 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Jeff was the most undisciplined hitter in major league baseball. The most 0-2, 1-2 counts you’ll ever see. He struck out often on three pitches with not any of them being anywhere near the strike zone. Coaches told their pitchers, “no use to throw him a strike, he’ll swing at anything”. He needs to work the count in his favor. This should be easy to do next year, given his reputation for lunging at anything thrown up there. Hope he can work it out.
By JP
October 8, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
WOW - Don’t you just love these Blogs. Furman - kudos for writing a positive article - unlike your co-workers.
If any of you so called Braves fans were not around during the bad times then don’t talk about the current times. I will take Jeff over the likes of Claudell Washington anytime.
Do we still have the rights to Len Barker or can we trade for him again?
By Sarah
October 8, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
Let’s see how the ‘golden boy’ responds to adversity. I am always in support of a comeback story! However, when he whined and complained that he felt ‘betrayed’ by the Braves last year, I was quite turned off. As a lifetime fan of the Braves, I felt ‘betrayed’ by his horrible performance. Stop swinging at every pitch, Jeff.
By FEC
October 8, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Learning to do ANYTHING really well takes time…maturing…combining age, experience and time to make the best choices…I’m all for this “Frenchy” and anybody else for that matter willing to make the adjustments to necessary to improve by learning from mistakes…God bless ya “Frenchy”…keep trying to improve and do your best and it will happen for you and whomever you assoicate!!
By joe torre
October 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
Stopy calling him “Frenchy”. It’s as GAY as “The Ted”
By richbrave
October 8, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
MISS DAISY:
And you are here blogging because…..????
By the Donger
October 8, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
The reason they call him “Frenchy” is actually not due to his last name. When he first came up, he was caught french-kissing Bobby Dews down in the bullpen. Apparently, it was a pretty heavy makeout session, and some of the coaching staff started calling him “Frenchy” as an inside joke. Most of the players and fans don’t realize that this nickname was born out of gay lust.
Seriously
By Tinkydog
October 8, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Good grief! How quickly we forget the best in players. Frenchy has great talent and one of the best arms in baseball. Give the kid a break. Many young players go through a few tough years. He will come out of this a better player and a better man. Just remember the days of Sonny Jackson and Sugar Bear Blanks. It could be a whole lot worse. Some of you guys weren’t here before 1990 when the Braves were really bad. Be grateful that this team has some talent.
By Dave Thompson
October 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
I saw Francouer play in the state championship game, where he gave the greatest performance in the history of the world…But this past year, he was hit in the face twice, which would screw-up anybody. Someone needs to develop[ a mask that he could hide behind (maybe a plastic bar around the front like the little leaguers do) and rebuild his confidence. Gil McDougal screwed up Herb Score’s mind, and he might have been better than Koufax.
By millertime
October 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
This is why the Braves never win. Local writers and other media outlets are hacks. Frenchy is not smart at the plate and does not have the raw talent to combat that like a vlad guerrero does. The local media needs to light a fire up this dude’s cornhole instead of writing a “feel-good” offseason profile about what he’s doing to make himself better. Just fluff. Nothing is ever said about the “in-guys”. Smoltz’s inability to last a season, Chipper’s constant days off, Hampton’s disappearing act, Bobby’s poor decision making late in games— yet the rest of the club is expendable and on the chopping block. Give me a break.
By Daybed Wagmoe
October 8, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
After a season of a .239 batting average, only 11 home runs and a disturbing number of strikeouts
Francoeur struck out 111 times this year, which is actually a big improvement for him. This number isn’t that disturbing.
By Mad Mike
October 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
Yo Donger - they actually call him “Frenchy” because of an incident in 2006 when he strapped a French Tickler on himself and streaked the clubhouse - not because of his alleged makeout session with Bobby Dews (I got a visual, and it’s disturbing… thanks)
By Hillbilly Deluxe
October 8, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
The key for Francoeur is the same as for most hitters. He has to learn to lay off bad pitches.
By Captain Obvious
October 8, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
Damn some of you are so stupid. I mean seriously. The guy had one crappy year. Look at Pat Burrell, that guy sucked for the first few years in the league and now he’s a solid player. I think Frenchy is Pat Burrell with a much better arm.
I’m glad most of you don’t run the Braves
By doningeorgia
October 8, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this
That’s the attitude Frenchy needs but as most of us realize it is not his “fire” and “trying” that disturbs us…it is his immaturity at the plate. Has he ever watched any great or good hitters and saw them lunging at outside pitches trying to kill them with every swing? Gosh, he’s strong enough to just get the bat on the ball and get a hit. No, he needs to concentrate on cunning and learning to hit the ball!
By DirtyDawg
October 9, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Glad to hear it…now if he’ll get something done about that bad foot thing that showed up this year - and learn some discipline at the plate, maybe, just maybe, he’ll be able to salvage his, once promising, career.
By Blackberry Cobbler
October 9, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
To hell with Franceour and the Braves. It’s football season now.
By idano
October 9, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
So the muscle and added weight are the reasons he swings at anything 5 feet in the vicinity? Always an excuse. His attitude after being demoted was embarrassing and it’s clear he’s got some jealousy issues about McCann’s blossoming superstardom.
By Ken
October 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this
First off…Kudzu…you said “Frenchy got married…nuff said”. I guess you are talking about yourself. You are probably married and your wife bashes you, huh? Next…Jeff is really a nice guy. I happened to meet him, with his wife. I seem to recall that the Braves really had an injury-riled team this year…pitchers getting injured, we didn’t have alot to work with. Jeff wants to stay positive…work on his weight problem, his bat swing. Don’t you think we all have things/matters we need to work on (ie. again, Kudzu…speaking of marriages, hint…hint)? Anyway, we all go through rough times…like the economy. All we can do is look up…there is nowhere to go. We have reached bottom.
So…fans…think a bit positive. I want our Braves to be the best in 2009 and I think we have the “goods” to work with! “Frenchy”…you go, man…do what you need to do to get back on top… All you criticizers, low-down “brats”…have you ever had to work hard to achieve only the very best out of yourselves?! I think not…NUFF SAID! GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!
By Mikey L.
October 10, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Honestly…you have to respect the man, jeff that is, and he really wanted to do his best, you know? Wifes get on your nerves too (How do i know? Im just a kid) and Jeff probably got some personal problems he wont say. Dont judge the man.
By Chris
October 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
Wow, Come on folks. One bad season. He was progressing up until that point. He may rebound to be great or he may not be. Either way, I don’t think we’ll see a repeat of this past season for him. You’ve got to have some patience and pride in your team, which means having some patience and pride in the players your team chooses to keep. Go Jeff.
By Coach (Skip will be missed)
October 10, 2008 8:33 PM | Link to this
I like Francoeur’s attitude. The kid has his head in the right place. That said, here is some advice from someone who has been around this wonderful game for many years.
First, become a student of the game. Talent alone will not succeed at the MLB level.
Second, frenchy could do himself a favor by studying some game film and I mean dive into it. Watch, study and learn how the damn strike zone works. Opposing pitchers did, they knew that Francouer had little discipline in the batters box and took full advantage of it.
Third, did you know that Chipper Jones has more walks than strike outs in his career? There is nothing wrong with taking four wide ones and reaching base on the pitchers screw up. Frenchy will be amazed at how many more strikes that pitchers will throw, not to mention much easier it will be to hit the ball.
Fourth, the mental aspect of the game is probably the toughest adjustment for young athletes. Frenchy clearly beat himself over the head, so to speak, with his miserable job at swinging the stick when the bases were juiced. He has got to learn to let the past mistakes go, learn from them and attack the strike zone.
Fifth and final. By learning the game, studying, having a plan of attack, knowing the opposing pitcher, all of these avenues make it more favorable for an athlete of Francoeur’s caliber to succeed.
2009 is make or break. It will become Jeff’s triumph or his undoing.
By ben
October 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Any other team than the Braves, he probably would already be traded.
By Darren
October 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Jeff will be ok. Remember even the great Dale Murphy had a similar season early in his career. It was so bad that Ted Turner wanted him to take a pay cut.
The Murph soon bounced back with back to back MVP’s. It may be hard for Jeff to do that, but I wouldn’t bet against him. I’m a big supporter.
Go Jeff! Go Braves!
By jstan
October 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this
Hang in their Jeff, remember its a game remember how you did it when it was fun. Forget all the negative and do the positive. You have the formula now use it.
By nick manning
October 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Frenchy really is very very stupid. Imagine what he could do with the plate discipline of a Julio Franco? Oh by the way, baseball players should stop lifting weights, and be more flexible. I mean, the steroid era is over right
By Sean Pendergast
October 24, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this
This Feb I will be starting a baseball radio show in Baylon NY the show will be on Sat 5pm-to6pm the station is WLYN 1440.In closing I thank you for your time.
By Sean Pendergast
October 24, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this
This Feb I will be starting a baseball radio show in Baylon NY the show will be on Sat 5pm-to6pm the station is WLYN 1440.In closing I thank you for your time.
By Sean Pendergast
October 24, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
This Feb I will be starting a baseball radio show in Baylon NY the show will be on Sat 5pm-to6pm the station is WLYN 1440.In closing I thank you for your time.
By Brandon S
October 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this
I just want to say to those people that have given up on Francoeur when he turns things around dont forget the things you said about him thats a bandwagon. I have watched all 162 games since 2006 and Francoeur had as bad of a season as you could in 08, but that was 08. I know this kid is raw talent and has potential to be one of the best to ever play the game. Let’s not forget in 06 and 07 he batted over 300 both years with runners on base and two out folks actually he led all of baseball in that stat, if thats not clutch i dont know what is. One season doesn’t determine a career that being said i think he will be back to his old form and be a force to recon with. So before you judge him on one season look back to the last two and a half and wait until he can turn it around. Why would you trade someone after a bad season the Braves know what he is capable of and this is why you will see Frency in Atlanta next year winning comeback player of the year and oh yea driving in his normal 100 runs a year. Go Braves #1 Die hard Braves fan lets get back to the glory days!!!!!
By Tami
October 29, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
I like Jeff, and rooted for him to turn his season around this past season. What I really admire even more is his dogged determination to get back to his proper playing shape, if that is indeed what was lacking for the 08 season. Let’s not shoo him away so quickly. He’s the type of player that can always come back to haunt the Braves later IF they give up too soon on him. Remember: It’s been done before.
By marshall
October 30, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Jeff does a fine job. If you got ride of him that would not be smart. Every hitter goes through spells of not hitting…look at chipper 2 years everyone was saying he was done and this year he wins the batting title. Jeff bat might be easy to replace, but his defense would be very hard to replace…he has a deadly cannon in that arm of his and make runners and base coaches think about sending runners home. He will bounce back.
Not to change the subject but does anyony know if the Braves are looking at signing Adam Dunn? He is a free agent this year from Arizona…reds traded him this year. I know he is prone to strikeout but if you look at his stats closer, you will find some intresting facts. If you exclude his stikeouts he only makes about 40-50 out a year out of 300-350 at bats…that’s a great on base percentage. Under Pendleton, i think he would reduce that strikeout total and more hits. Plus he is only 29 fixing to hit his prime. He is like Tex and Chipper in the fact that he is a switch hitter. And it would give Chipper a feared bat behind him that made him so effected when Tex was in the line up. What do you guys think?
By Scooter
November 4, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
What a bunch of nay-sayer morrons. Jeff Fran. has only been in the majors 2 and 1/2 yrs. He’s a gold glove type right fielder and his hitting is going to come back. No way do you trade him. He’s an outstanding talent who’s going to be a corner stone for our outfield for years to come. The only people who would like to see him traded are those teams in our division. Jeff hope you have an outstanding year and prove the nay-sayers wrong.
By George
November 12, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
It is always good to hear from the foul mouth major league expert wannabees who could not make the low minors much less the major leagues.
Good Luck Jeff, you have the talent and grit to succeed
By richbrave
November 15, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this
Words, words, words = 0. Deeds, deeds, deeds = 100%.
By Braveman
November 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this
Wow some of you people make me sick. It is clear that some of you have obvious Jeff “envy”. What kind of fans do you call yourself giving up on a promising young player who had a bad year? Jeff was not the only problem last year. So for all you that call jeff a “punk” and call him pathetic, you are really the ones who are pathetic, do us REAL braves fans a favor and stop being a braves fan, because you have no idea what you are talking about so go be a yankee fan or red sox fan where is ok to sit around and bash your players all day instead of at least trying to support them.
By Jeff Frank Core
November 15, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this
Jeff isn’t a super-humble guy. Sorry. I’ve seen the interviews.
Jeff isn’t a punk, either.
Not a superstar, ever, in the game of baseball. His game IQ is too low.
But it’s very possible for him to improve enough to stay in the bigs. If he’s okay with that, he’ll end up doing well for himself and his team. If he’s not okay with being a regular contributor, making medium baseball pay, he’ll squirm and flop.
But I’m not sure that’s likely. It requires humility. And Jeff is not a super-humble guy. I’ve seen the interviews.
By wildbird
November 24, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this
how many of you baseball wizzards have ever pleyed more than a video baseball game. Most of you couldnt get a single hit if you played all 162 gamesThe kid is young and he is talanted, give him a break. If you think you can do better go for a damn try out.
By CoastalDawg
December 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
Negative comments are not helpful nor productive to ANYONE. I am and will be a Jeff Francouer fan, not just because he’s a baseball player but because he is a man of principle. Perhaps many of you ignored what he and his wife Catie did for several families just a few days ago. As soon as I first saw him last season, I knew that marriage had already added too many pounds - that affected his ability to move like he had done before and to swing the bat. In addition, his bulking up was a disaster even though done in an effort to make his swing stronger. Having him as an Atlanta Brave is PR that the Braves can’t buy as long as he progresses. How many players DON’T have a down season? When Tim Tebow faced the public and declared that what happened to the Florida Gators against Mississippi, he was heralded as a hero. Jeff Francoeur has basically done the same time yet he’s being derided for it. HE has a positive attitude - if you are a Braves fan and HAVE called yourself a Francoeur fan, give the man an opportunity to redeem himself. Remember also that he played through injury, in fact had a very long streak going for most games played in succession. I did NOT like his response to being sent down to Mississippi and wrote to him telling him so. What some perceive as being cocky is in my humble opinion simple confidence in himself, knowing that he HAS made accomplishments and can improve on those. The fact that he started a type of self rehab as soon as the season was over says many good things about him, both as a player and as a man. Give the man a shot - I tend to accept the fact that he WILL improve. If the Braves trade him, that will haunt them for a long time to come - just look at who the Braves have now from trades they’ve made. Tex for that first baseman who not only couldn’t HIT the ball but couldn’t field either. Schuerholz was considered by some to be a genius - I tend to disagree because his “super trades” were only stopgap measures for that season. He traded away many future Braves for lesser players - so far Frank Wren has done that with at couple. If you are going to get good players and put them into a farm system, why trade them away before you can get out of them the very reason you signed them in the first place?