Around Sandy Springs

By scott

October 9, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

I will tell you one thing that is better- we dont have to pay for the city of Atlanta’s failing infrastructure anymore. My water bill was sky high when we were part of Atlanta- now whoever is left in the city will be stuck paying for the sewer project. I think its great that we were able to leave the city of Atlanta residents holding the bag.

By Alex

October 9, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Yes, that’s the reality of fragmentation in urban governance. “Whoever is left in the city” isn’t really too much of a mystery. For the most part, it’s people who can’t afford to live in the separate incorporated cities within the metro area. These people have even less ability to pay the bills, which puts the city of Atlanta into a deeper and deeper hole, causing more people (who have the means to do so) to move out, causing the city to go downhill even more etc. You aren’t paying for the city of Atlanta’s infrastructure any more — but you’re still using a lot of it.

By By Jeanine

October 9, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

I agree with Alex to a point. Alex who are these people? and what isn’t a mystery.You two make it seems as though Sandy Springs citizens were the only ones footing the bills here. You think you have it great now, but belive you me the grass is always greener on the other side until you get their and see it’s not the way you thought it would be. We are hard working bill paying just as you are.

By Chip H

October 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

One thing Alex and Scott are missing is that Atlanta is actually the fastest growing city in the metro area. And all those people moving in to the $300,000 $1,000,000. Can pay those water bills you couldn’t handle pretty easily.

By Lewis

October 9, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

The subject is Sandy Springs and not the troubles of Atlanta. So far, we will need more time for the SS Leadership to come up to speed. After all, they are all amateurs and they are trying. The hardball subjects of low income apartments and the gathering of Hispanic day laborers haven’t been truly addressed by the SS Council. Little, if any, has changed. Put the day laborers at the intersection of Abernathy and Roswell Rd. and something will change. The apartment situation has created a terrible problem of overcrowding in the elementary schools. The council members have found that running for office is fun and exciting, but now they must govern.

By Jmarsh

October 9, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Alex, you must be forgetting the $400,000 townhouses down the block from me and the $200k condos in Atlantic Station. You’re also ignoring the ratios of federal and state funding that get unloaded by the dump truck onto metro areas and cities like Atlanta.

By Larry Kaminsky

October 9, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

I take pride in my city. I moved here 36 years ago. I see more police cars now than I ever have. I get my haircut on the former Copeland Road and I am no longer flagged down by day laborers as I drive along that street. I would like to see the exit signs on the interstates changed to reflect the scope of sandy Springs, not just the one at Abernathy.

By Jason

October 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Sorry Scott but the water system in the City of Atlanta has absolutely nothing to do with Fulton County. If you were on the City of Atlanta water system before Sandy Spring became a city, then you are still on that system and nothing has changed. If you were not on it, then it has absolutely nothing to do with your water bill. Sandy Springs didn’t shut off all the water pipes coming in from outside the city and build their own municipal water station over the past year.

I find it interesting that each and every time Jim posts one of these topics, it always becomes a “at least we’re not…” response. If Sandy Springs is going to continue to look to other cities to set the standard instead of looking inwards, it is going to be a huge failure.

The question is, has the new government improved life in Sandy Springs, not, what dirt can you smear on other cities to make you feel better.

Wasting energy on making up stories about water bills that anyone with a few minutes of research can find out are false instead of fighting to make Sandy Springs a better place is not a good sign.

I hope the majority of residents of Sandy Springs are not like Scott because what happens in Sandy Springs effects everyone in the adjacent cities just like what happens in those cities affects Sandy Springs. No one benefits from a poorly run Sandy Springs.

I do realize that trolls come in here from time to time and call Sandy Springs residents racists and elitist. Perhaps that’s true of some Sandy Springs residents, just like it is true of some people in just about every city and town across America. Just ignore them instead of wasting energy on them. Sandy Springs has work to do, HARD WORK, if it is to become something better.

If Sandy Springs fails to rise to the challenge of meeting the difficult issues head on and plays the blame game instead, the city will be left behind. The City of Atlanta is working incredibly hard to turn things around. Judging from the fact that it is now the fastest growing jurisdiction in Georgia (yes, faster growing than even Gwinnett) in terms of absolute numbers, they must be doing something right. The average income of Atlanta residents have also shot up to much higher than the median for the metro. The poor are leaving and if you’re not careful, they’re going to end up taking over all of the apartments in Sandy Springs and in control of the government. If your eyes are full of mud, you won’t see it until it is too late.

Sandy Springs’ future is up in the air. Don’t shoot it down throwing mud clods around like a child when there is grown up work to do done.

By gobucks2006

October 9, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Other than alot more speed traps I haven’t noticed much of a difference.

By gobucks2006

October 9, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Let me add to that…I have noticed ALOT of apartments being torn down to I presume condo’s will be built or subdivisions will be built. That is clearly an improvement.

By paco

October 9, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

hey, what about my family? I have been living in an apartment on Roswell rd with 6 of my family members. It is being torn down, and now I have no place to live. I have no car, so if I have to more far away from work I will be SOL. Is this what you call improvement? Displacing 2nd generation hispanincs?

By Chris

October 9, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Nothing can make that area better. All I ever see and hear about are murders in the apartments in that area. In fact it seems like crime is worse there then it is in the projects downtown. What a terrible area!

By Lisa

October 9, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Yes, life is better now that Sandy Springs is a City. I have seen many positive changes over the past year and I have absolute confidence in the SS council in place. There is alot more work to be done but I do believe it will get done, it’s just going to take time. I really appreciate the increased police presence. There are alot less people doing 60 mph in a 35, the streets are actually quite after 10 p.m., I am not afriad to go to my local QT after dark and I do not hear gun shots coming from the apartment complex behind my community on a weekly basis anymore. Shopping centers are getting face lifts, road repairs are being made, traffic conditions are being monitored and several unsightly apartment complexes have been removed/renovated. The best thing about Sandy Springs becoming a city is that the money will actually be put back into the community and not into South Fulton and the pockets of the crooks running the City of Atlanta.

By gttim

October 9, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

It sure isn’t getting any better for the firemen who have been working in the 3 stations that are now in Sandy Springs.

No lie about the speed traps. Sandy Springs is obviously the new Doraville. They are trying to turn 400 into a cash cow. I wish the state would make it illegal for municipalities to write tickets on the freeways. Lets leave that up to the Highway Patrol.

By Jason

October 9, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Chris, what projects downtown are you talking about?

Techwood? It was torn down over ten years ago. Clark Howell? Same as Techwood.

The projects near the capitol? Torn down. The projects near King Memorial? Torn down.

All of the housing projects downtown are gone. It underminds the credibility of anything else you write when you get such basic facts wrong.

Face facts, the intown market is on the rise while the suburbs are decaying. Sandy Springs has a chance to avoid this suburban decay but only if they’re smart and keep all options open instead of looking for the perceived fault in others.

It makes me wonder if it is actually people from Sandy Springs posting here or is it people from other cities doing it to make the residents of Sandy Springs look uninformed and misguided.

By David

October 9, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Lisa,

As a resident of South Fulton, I find your comment amusing. A recent audit revealed a $10 million surplus for the unincorporated area of South Fulton County, and because of the legislation initiated by Sandy Springs and North Fulton lawmakers, none of that money can be spent anywhere else in the county!

By Eduardo

October 9, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

I hope that Sandy Springs does inpact Atlanta. Has anyone been downthere lately? Driving to the aquarium reminds me how dirty downtown has become. If it was up to me, we would move Philips and the aquarium to Sandy Springs. Then I would never have to go downtown again. Let them have the varsity, trashy clothing stores and chicken/ waffles (whatever that is??)

By ChrisD

October 9, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

I don’t know why they still haven’t done a think with the ridiculous timing of traffic lights along Roswell Road.

By Chris

October 9, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

JASON,

I guess you are in denile. There is a TON of crime in Sandy Springs. Just check out the news nightly. By projects I mean the nasty areas by Turner Field, and other parts of SE and SW Atlanta. Make fun of the ‘burbs all you want. At least it is safer then the crap you live in. They might as well call Sandy Springs “Illegal Immigrant, GA.”

By happy resident of new city

October 9, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

As a citizen, do you feel heard? - Yes. I arrended a town hall meeting near my home a few months back. And there is a 24/7 hot line to the City for anything you might want to deal with. Police force is excellent so far. The entire July 4th weekend, the first weekend the new Department was up and running, I saw more police presence than I have in my 23 years of living in ATL. I can see already selling prices in my condo community are coming up. Believe me, that is good news. They were falling like a rock prior to incorporation. I am very hopeful and always excited to tell people, “I live in the progressive new City of Sandy Springs.”

By happy springian

October 9, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

If you have a problem with 400 speed traps then you must be a speeder and you deserve to be caught because you are threatening my safety. As far as apartments being torn down and converted to condo, I think it would come under the heading of “keeping out the riff-raff.”

By Not a riff-raff

October 9, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

When are the smut shops leaving Sandy Springs? How about the dormant and abandoned buildings that mar the view on Roswell Road? These are eyesores and breeding grounds for riff-raff to hover and congregate in and around.

Apartments are where people (mostly good citizens) live when they can’t afford the upper six-figure condos blooming everywhere.

I do hope that Sandy Springs doesn’t morph into an elitist commune.

By SC

October 9, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I live in Sandy Springs, and so far things have been mostly positive, although there are a few things that aren’t so good.

Police: Response time has improved and crime seems to be down, but SSPD does seem to be spending a little too much time on traffic enforcement, especially on 400. (GDOT dropping the speed limit on 400 because of “construction” when there is NO construction going on south of the river anymore — it’s all north of Holcomb Bridge! — only makes matters worse. It almost seems as if that was a little “gift” from GDOT to SSPD…)

Apartments: SS has gone condo-conversion-crazy as of late, and although I don’t think city government per se has anything to do with it — I think a lot of it is just landlords cashing out — the trend is a bit worrisome. There needs to be a balance of for-sale and for-rent residences in ANY community, and SS is starting to get a little out of balance, just as much of the city of Atlanta (Midtown, Buckhead, Inman Park…) has lately. More higher-end rental, something that is in rather short supply in SS, would improve things just as well as condo conversions would.

Latino community: it hasn’t changed much that I’ve seen, aside from some being pushed out because of condo conversions / apartments being torn down.

Bar closing times, adult stores, etc.: I’ll just say that SS is a little conservative for my tastes…but then again, I’m probably one of the more liberal people up here. ;)

Blight/redevelopment: A lot of the older shopping centers are being remodeled and seeing new tenants…that’s a good thing.

General: the city seems to be doing a VERY good job with addressing public works issues, unlike Fulton County.

By MG

October 9, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Hey Scott, Sandy Springs was never in the City of Atlanta. And you’re still buying City water. So drink up and keep on paying for infrastructure that everyone uses and everyone has a responsiblity to maintain.

By jaime

October 9, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

I am a bartender and getting my pouring permit was not a simple process. i had to go to two different places and make an appointment for the second. what would have happened if the police had come to check our bar in between me filling out the paper work and my appointment time? it’s a very inconvienent system. it may have taken a little more time out of your day, but going to the annex in fulton for permits was much simpler.
i am still upsent about the early closing time for the bars though. as a restaurant employee, i would like to go and have a beer after work. i liked my wind down time after work with a cocktail for an hour or so. i heard the early closing time was to help get the riff raff and drunks off the streets. most of those people were already gone and home by the time the restaurant crowd shows up. sandy springs just took well over $500 dollars out of the pockets of the bar staff throughout the city and a lot of tax money out of their own pockets. i hope there are factors for this decision that just aren’t public knowledge because it just seems silly to me to be so worried about the hours between 2-4am.

By Harry

October 9, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Not a resident of Sandy Springs. The comments about displacing the poor, regardless of ethnicity, should not be dismissed. We are all US citizens, regardless of socio-economic status. Everyone in the US deserves to have a decent, clean place to live. Observations and the posts addressing the tearing down of old apartments is an appalling indictment of American cruelty. No, none of us want those of lesser morals living next door because they rebel against every value representing decency. But not all poor people fit into the latter category. They work hard and long hours just to give the wealthy services. I’m sure the wealthy never give people who serve their meals, dry clean their clothes, work on our roads to keep them safe for those expensive vehicles, a moment’s thought. But without those hands of the poor, what conditions would you face daily? Why can’t this state provide communities wherein those of lower income can reside in decent housing? Why is it such an issue to force Americans out of the cities, and into conditions not suitable for an animal? They deserve to have decent living quarters just as much as the rich, overpaid CEOs. The questions posed by Jim don’t so much echo the progress of Sandy Springs as a new incorporated community as it reflects the attitudes of those who don’t care about the rest of humanity. I agree that old buildings need to be torn down and replaced. But let’s be honest about the intentions of building expensive housing, and where the development eventually leads a community. What statement does this make about our values? Will SS survive and thrive. Why wouldn’t it? Growth is a process.

By Lee

October 9, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Now theres a push going on for the legislature to allow North Fultonians to vote on becoming Milton County again. My understanding is that it would include all of Fulton Co. from Sandy Springs northward. Although I live in South Fulton, I honestly don’t blame them for wanting out of Fulton. I can only hope that we in South Fulton can generate enough interest to return back to Campbell Co. I don’t see it happening here on the south end, but you in the north would probably be overwhelmingly in support of Milton. Who can blame you?

By JILL

October 9, 2006 10:39 PM | Link to this

I felt safe in Sandy Springs before it became a city, and it feels exactly the same to me now. Yea, I see police cars that say ‘Sandy Springs’ on them. Do I feel safer? No, because I felt safe already.

By David

October 10, 2006 01:25 AM | Link to this

I live off of Roberts Drive in nice family neighborhood community zoned 1 acre. When it came to Sandy Springs becoming a City, I voted for it. Why not, they were going to clean up the the low income parts, lower congestion on Roswell Rd., and raise the value of my home. Not less 10 months latter I am driving down Roberts Dr. and I See a sign posted that they are going to change the zoning on three lots at Roberts Dr. & Roswell Rd. and allow a out-of-town developer to build 38 low-income attached units within walking distance of my home which Realtors tell me will devalue my home by 20% to 30% , add 80 cars to traffic, and turn my street into another zone for section 8 housing. I guess the City of Sandy Springs is going the way of the City of Atlanta. City friends giving out sweet heart deals to developers to make a quick buck. Corruption has no city lines..

By I WAS RIGHT

October 10, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Pretty funny. Like I stated yesterday, Sandy Springs is the most dangerous place ever! I said to just watch the news at night. I watched last night and sure enough, there was a check cashing store robbed yesterday. I love it! Enjoy living in that illegal immigrant, gang infested city.

By lucky1

October 10, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

I am so grateful to be gone from the petty politics and losers in tn the Atlanta AND Sandy Springs area!

By Lee

October 10, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

If you don’t like the idea of the City of Sandy Springs allowing the low income housing they are giving their approval to, (near Roberts Dr.)then when it comes time to vote, vote every last one of them OUT ! Corruption has no boundaries.

By nrgpill

October 10, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

All municipalities have issues and SS is no exception. I am satisfied with the changes I have been seeing along Roswell rd and it seems like there is a fury of positive redevelopment going on for the existing shopping centers and vacant buildings. I can only hope that the developments are of unique variety and not a me-too cookie cutter types with visible surface lots.

Socio-economic issues cannot and should not be ignored. However, the city of SS has already been transitioning to avoid what some edge cities (Norcross and Doraville) face today. The realestate prices reflect the efforts by the city and it is a path most agreeable to the citizens of SS. This is no different from some intown neighborhoods.

By John

October 10, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Yes, I have seen some really good improvements and i see some areas that have come to light… I am a first generation american hispanic who owns a home around the lake forest area and nothing nothing ticks me off more then the day laborers hanging around after 5pm off roswell rd.. In new york city its called vagrancy not day laborers… Sorry that is how i see it.. As a hispanic i am embarrased.. And I can assure you that there are alot of other hispanics who are equally embarrased.. But I am glad that slowly it is improving there are more cops but we need to give them the tools they need to better handle thse situations… perhaps a center of some sort rather then in neighborhoods.. if you don’t like what i have to say then come by the street sometime and clean up some of the trash.. or better yet i invite you to walk around the area at night see what the private pharmacist can provide..

By resident of 30328

October 12, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

The city of Sandy Springs MUST clean up the day labors. They are an infection (drugs, crime, and prostitution) on our community.

Have you seen the amout of baby carriages these labors now push up an down Roswell Road? They are a breeding ground.

It time to raid this community eye sore! Send these people home NOW!

What is SS police and governemnt doing about this? Take action now!

By JohnMark

October 12, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Fact is Sandy Springs is a craphole. The pseudo elitist think they can be envied by self proclaiming themselves better and then they feel validated when others try and point out that they are not (they think we are jealous) There is nothing appealing about Sandy Springs to anyone I know. It is nothing more than a pass through to get to Dunwoody and it is where people who could not afford to buy in town bought a in previous years but now they act like they bought there by choice. Whatever! Sandy Springs is a running joke in my neighborhood and it will never have the class of Dunwoody, the prestige of living in town, or the job opportunities offered by other areas like Alpharetta. Smyrna has more to offer!

By TAO

October 12, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

AMEN JohnMark. The only people I have ever met that had anything good to say about Sandy Springs were people that lived in Sandy Springs. I bought my first house there because was in my 30s and could not afford to buy intown but you can bet as soon as I could afford it I got the heck out of dodge. I had the WORST neighbors! I dealt with the WORST traffic and I had to go WAY out of my way for any sort of culture based entertainment. If you threw in a few above ground pools and chain link fences Sandy Springs would officially be the worlds largest trailer park!

By nrgpill

October 12, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Being the biggest homer and bait posting serves very little purpose. I have no reason to believe that JohnMark lives in a fantastic area and he is 100% satisfied with his municipality.

Not sure how much you really know about the job market, but the Central Perimeter district (SS/Dunwoody) has more class A office space than either Alpharetta or Smyrna. In other words, there are more jobs in the Central Perimeter submarket than any other submarkets in the Metro area.

The city of SS is taking baby steps but the effort is definitely there and most residents will agree that the situation has improved. It is going to take many years to undo what the county commission forced upon us.

By bb

October 12, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

The Northwood Drive area of SS is not seeing more police cruisers, we have seen less. The condo’s at the Prado have had auto break in’s and one condo was vandalized recently. There is now gang graffitti being painted everywhere. Believe it or not there are law abiding American citizens, born and raised in the USA living on Northwood Drive and we work every day and would like to see more beneficial changes from the new city.

By DJ

October 12, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

This comment goes directly to, “gttim” and “gobucks2006”,

First let me start by saying I have never seen anyone complain so much about so called “speed Traps” like these two. Sandy Springs Police are finally doing what Fulton County Police should have been doing for years. They are ENFORCEING the LAWS that’s right folks have you heard of that before LAW_S GA 400 ranks as one of Georgia’s highest highways for fatalities do to SPEEDERS. Half the battle of fighting crime includes TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. Bottom line if you follow the great laws of our land then you will not have to deal with Sandy Springs Police Department. If you don’t follow the laws of our land then you WILL deal with Sandy Springs Police Department. Stop complaining and be appreciative of a hard working police force like Sandy Springs. I would love to live in Sandy Springs and have a police force that carried about my community like SSPD does about Sandy Springs. Finally let me say Sandy Springs is doing a great job from top to bottom.

PS Speed limit on GA 400 is 55 NOT 80-100

By CWest

October 12, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

DJ, I think you’re a Sandy Springs cop. Way to pat yourself on the back.

The Sandy Springs Police are far more concerned about speeders on GA400 and 285 than they are about anything else.

I think they realize that Joe-commuter has quite a bit more money to spend on fines than Joe-criminal.

SSPD is nothing more than a fund-raising operation for the City of Sandy Springs

By concerned reader

October 12, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

As a concerned reader, I reviewed several “around Sandy Springs” blog archives and based upon repetition of postings and tired dialogue, I can not help but to notice nrgpill is a total buttbag

By nrgpill

October 12, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

I would like to think that there is a positive to all this despite the occasional troll baiting and name calling. Going back to the topic at hand, I do believe that the quality of life has gotten better in the city. The police presence was obviously needed and it was a good first step in the right direction.

By Lewis

October 12, 2006 09:34 PM | Link to this

Does anyone wonder what happened to all of people living in the public housing projects south of North Ave. when they were torn down for the Olympics? Look in Sandy Springs and especially on Dunwoody Place.

By Pravin

October 13, 2006 01:45 AM | Link to this

Focussing on speeding is ridiculous. TO the peson who claims that speeders are harming their saftey, I say hogwash. People travel on 400 at 80 mph in the left lane safely. A cop could drive on ROswell Road and catch more bad drivers instead of sitting lazily with a laser gun hiding in a corner catching people speeding on a fairly empty road.

I wouldnt mind the speeding tickets as much if the polie enforced the other violations qith the same balance. How about some of you slowpokes who not only break the speed limit law by going 60 in a 55 or 70 in a 65, but you do it in the left lane breaking another traffic rule.

What about those who change lanes without using turn signals? How about those who tailgate? Speeding doesnt have to mean tailgating. A bad driver who drives the speed limit is much more dangerous than a careful driver who maintains his lane and doesnt change lanes.

If speeding is a problem, why arent the cops enforcing the limit stricter in times when it makes sense - when it rains. THey usually do it when there is an empty stretch. PLease. use logic when you get so smug about speeding.

There are a lot more traffic violations than simple speeding(i am not defending excessive speeding in moderate to busy conditions).

By Aldo

October 13, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

I live in Sandy Springs and I own my home and work IN Sandy Springs and honestly I have not seen one difference since the new government has taken over, not in services, taxes or expenditures…and I have to agree with the other posters, I have seen less police presence in the city and more graffiti poppin up….I have heard a lot of complaining and a lot of promises but honestly can not name one improvement that I have seen.

By Just wondering

October 13, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

OK, just a question. If Sandy Springs is SOOOOO independant then why isn’t this annoying blog in the SSJC instead of the AJC!

By nrgpill

October 13, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Just wondering - Since this blog is SS related and the title is rather obvious, you can simply skip this blog and move onto the next. I can certainly aknowledge the fact that SS is far from being independent and part of its success is dependent on Atlanta’s future.

By Just wondering

October 13, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

That earier poster was right, you are a buttbag

By nrgpill

October 13, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

I can take name calling, no problem.

Just wondering - I would also like to hear your constructive criticism about SS. You cared enough to browse through, so you must have some thoughts on this.

By DJ

October 13, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

CWEST:

No I am not a Sandy Springs Cop. However, I wish I was because I would be out on the highways making sure people like you respected the laws. Doing what a police officers is supposed to be doing. Not listening to complainers like you. If you don’t like obeying the laws then Sandy Springs would not be a place for you to live or visit.

PRAVIN:

I must comment on your ridiculous comments as well. Are you really that ignorant to think that speeding is not the #1 factor for traffic fatalities and that someone speeding is not a danger to all of us????? Are you kidding me??? GA 400 a fairly empty road???? Again are you kidding?? Get a grip man and slow down. AGAIN speed limit on GA400 is 55 not 90-100.

By Your Brother

October 14, 2006 01:49 AM | Link to this

I think you’re asking the question too soon. Any large organization, like, say, a city government, is of necessity a slow-moving beast, and the effects of its actions won’t be obvious for a while.

Like, say, in the months before the next city election.

By fk

October 14, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

I hope you continue to pose this question every so often. I reside in the Johns Creek area have been watching SS make the very same transition over this last year that we will officially start in December.