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By Logical Dude

November 8, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Finally! My Navy (retired) father says Rumsfeld was NOT the right fit for Defense Secretary, along with countless other generals.

I await headline confirmation of this.

By arlie

November 8, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Great! Maybe the Preident and Vice President should follow his lead!

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

It’s about time!!

By peacenik

November 8, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Further proof there is a God. What a debacle this entire Iraq war has been. I wonder, though, why Bush didn’t replace Rumsfeld with someone who has actual military experience. Oh, well, i guess their good friend and President of Texas A&M qualifies him…certainly that CIA experience, oh, twelve years ago, will serve the country well.

Too little, too late. Too much blood on the hands of Rumsfeld, Bush and the rest of their ilk.

By A

November 8, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

It’s about time! What took so long?? This day just keeps getting better. Dems have control of the House…at least a tie in the Senate AND Rumsie is FINALLY leaving.

By Michael

November 8, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Good I was tired of hearing about those one arm pushups and that he never sits down in his office. Only problem however bushie keeps appointing these viet nam era guys.

By ATLER

November 8, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

There is a God. Let the rest of the administration follow his lead.

By republicanfreezone

November 8, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Trifecta! House, Senate & Rummyworld! Yippee!

By Perry

November 8, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Everyone seems to think Rumsfeld leaving is the answer. I know he was not popular, but what will his successor do? I think it would be foolhardy to just withdraw from Iraq without carefully considering the consequences. I hope everyone who voted Democratic yesterday will be as happy a few months or a year from now, as they are today.

By TF

November 8, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Good! Would you want to be him facing the wrath of the American people through Nancy Pelosi?

He should be arrested and tried for the war crimes he’s committed.

By Tony, King of Lithonia

November 8, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

He’s lucky, he gets to resign. However, many parents who lost children, many children who lost parents, many wives who lost husbands and vice-versa, are not so lucky. I don’t feel more safe or free as a result of Rummy’s quest for glory.

By FluffAlbright

November 8, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Woo Hoo! Happy day for the libs. Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid and no more Rumsfeld!! Now all of our problems are solved. Cut and Run and higher min wage. Yessss!!

By godawgs

November 8, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Why today? I thought he was going to be the secretary of defense until the end of Bush’s term…

By aa

November 8, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Great..Now the Dems will rule the world..Its about time!!!!!! Scum bucket he was

By baby girl

November 8, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

THANK GOD!!!!!! IT’S ABOUT TIME. NOW, THE REST OF THEM NEED TO GO.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Perry: Rumsfeld leaving is not the answer but it’s a step in the right direction. It’s going to take more than this to solve the mess the Bush administration has created in Iraq.

By Amy

November 8, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

As a recent Army retiree, and having served during the Rumsfeld era, I am sure the soldier, airmen, sailers, marines and coast guards are certainly pleased! Now, perhaps things can move forward. Oh, wait a minute…the new guy is a friend of the Bush’s…here we go again!!!

By Reason

November 8, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

One of the President’s first missteps in the course of this war started after his 2004 reelection. The misstep was to allow Colin Powell to leave his cabinet.

I am a service academy graduate who has studied at depth both military tactical and strategic objectives during the time of war.

There was a concept called the “Powell Doctrine” that centered on ways to wage a successful war campaign. One of the central concepts of this doctrine was to ensure that you have enough boots on the ground to ensure victory.

Obviously Rumsfeld strategy was a severe departure from this doctrine, and I believe his unbending personality has allowed for the same failures that we saw in Vietnam.

My prayer is that in the wake of this election the President will take a hard look at himself, and to those who serve at his pleasure around him.

The people have voted, and their intentions are clear.

By peacenik

November 8, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

I think that if Virginia and/or Montana goes to the Democrats, there should be a movement in both houses of congress to impeach Bush for embroiling this country in a war without just cause. How many people have died because Bush & Co. refused to admit for SO long that their “intelligence” was anything but?

Propogating this disgraceful war on our brave soldiers and their families (not to mention the thousands of Iraqi dead) based on an abject lie (WMD) is worth at least a vote of impeachment, don’t you think? After all, if Clinton can be impeached for lying under oath about whether or not he had sexual relations with “that woman,” shouldn’t Bush be held to the same standard? He took an oath, too, and he & his cronies have circumvented our civil liberties and have operated under a “who cares what the people of this country thinks — full steam ahead!” attitude.

This whole administration makes me sick to my stomach.

By Julie

November 8, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Please take Bush with you…

By Consider This...

November 8, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

It’s always easy to criticize when you don’t have all the facts. Hein site is always 20/20 on events that happened 5 to 10 years ago.

There are times in management and/or running the country that you have to make decisions based on the information in hand and not wait until you have all the answers (which that time never comes).

Think about when you were in the ‘hot seat’ about a decision you made and have said “Hey, I did what I thought at the time was best”.

At times it’s better to make a decision that may be wrong than make no decision at all. Analysis paralysis has cost America more lives than making a bad decision. Those numbers are rarely quantified and publicized for all to see.

By Gil Gibson

November 8, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Let’s see: stock market at all-time high; unemployment at historic low; no terror attacks on US in 5 years. Sure do need to change all that; time for A New Direction for America. Hope y’all enjoy higher taxes, economic slowdown, higher interest rates, and bombs in our cities. Pelosi promises an open ethical Congress but will appoint an impeached Federal judge as chair of one of the most important committees. Gotta love those Dems; what a sense of irony.

By Stan

November 8, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

I oppose the war in Iraq as well but lets not forget that the Democrats had a large hand in us being in Iraq as well. A large majority of them voted the same as the Republicans. None of them should slip by. Please do not make the mistake of thinking the Dems are any better than the Repubs. They all suck.

By Reason

November 8, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

READ THIS AND TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS?

The Powell Doctrine, also known as the Powell Doctrine of Overwhelming Force, was elaborated by General Colin Powell in the run up to the 1990-1991 Gulf War. It is based in large part on the Weinberger Doctrine, devised by Caspar Weinberger, former Secretary of Defense and Powell’s former boss.

The questions posed by the Powell Doctrine, which should be answered affirmatively before military action, are:

1. Is a vital national security interest threatened?

2. Do we have a clear attainable objective?

3. Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?

4. Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?

5. Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?

6. Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?

7.Is the action supported by the American people?

1. Do we have genuine broad international support?

By Alleluia! Rummy rump is gone

November 8, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Alleluia! Rumsfeld’s resignation is too late for the thousands of US service men and women lost in this needless Iraq fiasco. But better late than never, I suppose.

Georgia is an anomaly in supporting the GOP. But don’t forget about all of those thousands of voters who did cast ballots for Democratic candidates in Georgia. They are ONLY going to get better organized and gather and groom better quality candidates and win BIG in subsequent elections.

Nancy is IN and Rummy is OUT: It is a good day.

By peacenik

November 8, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

I think this country would’ve been better served had Bush & Co. not waivered from the Powell Doctrine nor lied to this country — and the world — about WMD.

By Ycart

November 8, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

I watched on TV the Special Report Presidential Conference in which President Bush announced Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld’s resignation. For the first time, the president wasn’t as abrasive as he has been and showed some humility. The American people spoke yesterday at the polls and we are seeing the results already. Most Americans welcome the change of the defense secretary and hope the new secretary, Robert Gates, will make a difference.

By JC

November 8, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

If only Bush had swallowed his pride sooner, we might have our troops home by now.

Better late than never. Thank goodness he’s gone!

By Milton

November 8, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Bush finally listened to his advisors who for months have been telling him he needed to cut ties and distance himself from Rumsfeld. Bush did this in an attempt to salvage what is left of the Republican party. After losing so many seat in yesterday’s election nationwide, I guess he finally decided to face reality.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

STAN: Good point. The Iraq situation is the personal agenda of the Bush family who wanted Hussein captured because he tried to kill the elder Bush. Think about it.

By JT

November 8, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

I’ve voted Republican since I was first able to vote and I’ve got to tell you, I’m glad Rumsfeld is out. I don’t think he’s particularly sinister, but I do think that he has run this war with an eye on protecting Republican jobs instead of ensuring freedom for Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t think he’s ever been concerned with the loss of lives our soldiers were taking. Now, all that said, I’m greatly concerned that the Democrats might attempt to drastically change the status quo throughout this country and in doing so really muck things up. The citizens have NOT endorsed socialism and liberalism by this change of parties, but rather stated their displeasure with the current course the country is going. That is not to say that we want to go to an equally dramatically different direction. Please, oh please when will these politicians govern by the same principles they would use in their own homes - with moderation - rather than with such radical bipolar differences?

By GaNative

November 8, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

To Hell with Rumsfeld and the rest of the Bush Family. There is a lot of innoncent blood on their hands.

By max

November 8, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Great. GW finds another guy who used to work for his dad. Maybe he will advise young GW to invade Panama again or get involved with the contras. Hey GW, find somebody who didn’t work for your dad and who is not associated in some way with Texas.

By Killer

November 8, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Right on Gil Gibson! Pelosi sums it all up! The only bright spot in this election may be a GOP Presidential victory in 2008 after enduring the crap that we’re going to see for the next two years!

By Faye

November 8, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

While Donald Rumsfeld may not have been the greatest.. I hope all you Bush bashers and Democratic lovers feel the same way when we are forced to bow to Allah and are speaking in spanish.. this is truly as sad, sad, sad day for our country.. we’ve sold out our national security!! We need a man like Ronald Reagan again.. when our country is at war with terrorist who hate us enough to kill themselves in the process of doing the US harm, we need to strengthen our borders, and continue the fight at home and abroad rather than trying to bash our leader every chance we get.

By MrLiberty

November 8, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Nearly 700,000 innocent Iraqis, as many as 50,000 innocent Afghanis, nearly 3,000 US soldiers and untold destruction of the reputation of the United States. Now he just resigns and all is supposed to be forgiven?

A pardon no doubt has already been signed, but we will not hear about it because of national security interests.

If one were to dream, the next place this jerk would end up would be a congressional hearing in which his citizenship were stripped and then on to the Hague to stand trial for crimes against humanity, war crimes, and extensive violations of the Geneva conventions.

Don’t get me wrong, Bush, Cheney, Rice, and the rest of the administration should be there with him, but no doubt they are already planning an escape that will keep them free.

By hellinahandbasket

November 8, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

i think it means he finally realized that he is hurting the administration more than helping. i don’t think its all his fault though, there has been such an attack on this administration by the media and the left that i have never witnessed before in all my years. its not only been merciless but cruel and dishonest. (i am not a republican so don’t pull that card !) we need to get back to a basic respect for each other as human beings, my party..the democrats have gotten more and more out of control and as a moderate i find myself left out in the cold numerous times. it bothers me quite a bit that many in my party like to divide and look only upon our republican brethren with hatred. we are all in this country together and should work to overcome our differences and make things better. this poisionous venom is only dividing us further and no good will come of it. to my democrat brethren, stay the course rise above the immature and nasty responses and refrain from gloating. to my republican brethren…we need your voice and your strength work with us.

By John

November 8, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

The undermining of the security of this nation has begun. The left-wing dingbats won’t rest until they have destroyed what’s been built over the past 230 years.

Thank God we have a chance to correct this grievous error in two years. I hope only it won’t be too late.

By Militiaman

November 8, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

It is truly a sad and scary day for the USA. The ONLY reason so many people voted demoCRAP, was NOT to vote republican.
I for one am scared, VERY scared. We have just appeased the world terrosists!! Do not be surprised when our country is attacked AGAIN!!! Cut and run out of Iraq will not be good for America. It’s just an invitation for terrorists to come back over here and attack us on our own land AGAIN.

By Milton

November 8, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Faye, I’d love to speak spanish. And the way preachers like Rev. Ted Haggard are making a mockery of God, maybe Allah wouldn’t be so bad. It never ceases to amaze me that whenever there’s a party change people start thinking the worse. I can remember my parents and grand parents saying things like “We’re going back to slavery” whenever a Republican took office. I’ve lived through Reagan and two Bushes and I’m still not in chains.

By Don A

November 8, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

“Mission Accomplished”

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Faye, we need a hollywood actor with alzheimers in Washington….that will solve our problems.

By HALLELUJAH!!

November 8, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

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By Don A.

November 8, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Well J.B., You know that would be all bad, with a little stem cell research the Alzheimers would be cured. No wait - I forgot - we can’t do that either……

By Misty

November 8, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Congress voted on going to war in Iraq, not Rumsfeld, so Democrats can point the finger at Republicans & Rumsfeld all they want for the situation there. The simple matter is the Democrats want the American people to believe they had no part of the decision making process of going to war. They also have no real solution to making things better in Iraq and the American people will soon see that.

The Democrats agenda is based only on the mission to exploit issues that the Republicans are for or against, bottom line. Essentially if Republicans are against abortion or gay marriage then the Democrats are for it, hands-down. The Democrats are the one’s primarily responsible for the partisanship that exists between the 2 parties and have no desire to reach across the aisle to find common ground with the Republicans.

As for Rumsfeld, I actually hate to see him go. Although things aren’t going so well in Iraq, I still feel that the mission is noble & warranted. I feel that he is the “fall guy” & that is unfortunate. There are many people involved in the planning and strategic execution of the war and he should not be held primarily accountable because he holds the title “Secretary of Defense”.

By HALLELUJAH!!

November 8, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

militiaman: i sincerely hope you are one of the richest one to ten percent in this country. otherwise your loyalty to the republicans is hilarious because of how easily you duped. i can only respect the republicans who are in the richest ten percent because at least they are voting their interests. the rest of the simple minded republican wannabe morons just make you sound before you laugh you A@@ off at them because of how dumb they are.

By catlady

November 8, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

NOW IF WE COULD JUST GET RID OF THESE OTHER IDIOTS (THE ONES WHO HAVE SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER WHILE ENRICHING THEIR FRIENDS, CONTRIBUTORS, ETC).

By EW

November 8, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

What next, Cheney will come up from his underground bunker? Maybe the Republicans could have held off the Dem(wits)had Bush sacked this worthless relic two years ago. Long overdue, go away Rummie, you and Rush helped lose this election.

By Stewart

November 8, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Mr. Liberty..

So you also believe that the war in Afghanistan was wrong as well? I can stomach the trashing of the President from the average Democrat. But you sir..or just a traitor.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Don A…guess we kind of have somebody like Reagan already….he’s been acting like he knows what he’s doing and keeps forgetting what he’s said in the past.

By Ed

November 8, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Don’t shovel the last pile of dirt on the Republican graves just yet. In two years when the Democrats have not delivered anything and its obvious they have no plan, it can all change back. At least Georgia is SOLID REPUBLICAN…..now one of the most republican states in the nation now, there is God afterall.

By LFS

November 8, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

I may not have specific alternatives at the moment, but I do heave a gigantic sigh of relief at the thought that FINALLY, Rumsfield has resigned. I guess he did not care about the soldiers, only the Republican Part, because the demolition yesterday is the only reason I see why he quit, finally. Hopefully some people will be saved.

By Stewart

November 8, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

Well said Misty…

Catlady..You have to add Bill and Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and John Edwards, Ted Kennedy to your list of idiots…

Hallelujah, keep drinking your democratic kool-aid and I’ll keep drinking my republican kool-aid. Do a little research and you will realize that the top 10% are paying a higher percentage of taxes than when Clinton was in power and the poor are paying less…The bottom line is, lower taxes stimulate the economy. If you don’t have any ambition, and want to work at Wal-mart and complain about the minimum wage..be my guest..

By MrLiberty

November 8, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

You know, nothing is ever going to get any better in this country until all of the idiots of Faye’s type finally wake up, read the history of the United States’ involvement in the political and economic affairs of the Middle East since WWI and realize that these people hate us because of our foreign policy.

Both Republicans and Democrats have been responsible for the slaughter of millions of innocents, the violent overthrow of governments - some democratically elected, and the meddling in the political affairs of nations all over the middle east.

Those who have finally gotten fed up enough to do what happened on 9-11 (assuming you believe the government’s story - plently of reasons not to), did what they did as a last desperate attempt to get the misery to stop.

We don’t stop to worry about misery and suffering. We are too busy making the world safe for Mobile, Shell, Chevron, and others and fighting and killing for their special interests.

Oil is not a US interest. Business, industry, etc. are all US interests, but they need not run on oil. If all the money we have put into killing innocents in the Middle East had been spent by the private sector finding innnovative alternatives to oil, we would never have gotten ourselves into any of this mess.

Eisenhower warned us about the Military Industrial Complex - Now the Military Congressional Industrial Complex and how they would work to generate needs for wars to spend money to line their pockets. We didn’t learn from him either.

So those of you who are going to continue to delude yourselves into thinking that they hate us because we are free should really take some time to wipe the blood from your hands and pull your heads out of your rear ends and wake up to the reality that they hate us because they should - because we have allowed an unconstitutional and unamerican foreign policy to operate in the middle east for nearly 100 years now.

If you are going to sit back and just let this dictator run roughshod over the constitution, the bill of rights, the Geneva conventions and not speak up because “we are at war” then you are absolutely the worst and most dangerous kind of american with respect to the integrity and security of the republic.

By Misty

November 8, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

“…the rest of the simple minded republican wannabe morons just make you sound before you laugh you A@@ off at them because of how dumb they are”

Simple minded, let’s talk simple minded. Having no real agenda except “Americans want a change so vote us into office and we will show you change”, that’s simple minded. The logical thing would be to actually state your plan then get into office and execute it. I am flabbergasted at how many voters actually bought the bait and switch technique.

Under Clinton (a.k.a. The Democrats poster boy for leadership) we had the ‘93 WTC bombing, USS Cole attack, & the embassy bombing in Kenya. The U.S. was also the laughing stock of the world because of the Clinton/Lewinsky sex scandal. Clinton was also a contributer to the 2001 recession due to his botched deal with OPEC. Clinton also had many opportunities to get Bin Laden and cripple Al Qaeda & he didn’t.

I think it is fair to say that under Republican rule, America is much safer against terroristic threats, mostly due to the induction of the Patriot Act. I am afraid that those who voted for Democrats yesterday will ultimately see the light, hopefully it’s not in the form of another 9/11.

By john

November 8, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

It means maybe we’ll have a guy who actually listens to our generals and ‘boots on the ground’, instead of this latest version of Robert McNamara.

By Middle America

November 8, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Damn, it’s like Christmas morning for Middle America (by that I mean the majority of Americans, not just me) today. Just a few days ago Bush was insisting that Cheney and Rumsfeld would serve their posts for the rest of his term. I know Cheney is an elected official, but could we get him to resign too? That would be an excellent end to this week. Bush is bad enough, but without the arrogance and blindness of Rumsfeld and Cheney, he would be a much more plyable commander in chief.

By Middle America

November 8, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld leaving isn’t the end solution. But it was necessary to remove him, as he was a roadblock to change in the policy. Bush has said for years that he was listening to his commanders on the ground for what to do. Maybe he thought he was, but it was all coming thru the filter of Rumsfeld. That’s why you’ve heard all the retired generals saying Rumsy had to go. The military was reporting the accurate situation on the ground but Rumsfeld was filtering it and spinning it. For what reason, only he and God knows. I don’t know the guy Gates, that they will replace him with. But he’s a Bush Sr. guy, and I’d imagine that since Jim Baker is involved in the commission on Iraq and likely to call for changes, I’d doubt Bush Jr. would try to put in a Rumsy clone or someone who is resistance to change and incapable of admitting when a mistake was made. The problem I see in the timing of this announcement is maybe Bush is trying to get his nominee confirmed by the outgoing Congress, instead of the new Democratic majority. I don’t know how that works and whether he can get that done.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Misty: UNDER BUSH - 9/11 - enough said

By Cassie

November 8, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

I am so happy about this election. The country is now on the right path to heal. There has been much, too much bitterness and hatred toward each other. Change has come and it is a good change. There is no need to fear. There is no mistake in this. Let us be the proud people of this wonderful nation we all love. We know we are! The democrats will work together with the republicans to do the job that is needed. Let us try to stay positive.

By Faye

November 8, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Well put Misty and Stewart.

Mr. Liberty.. if you feel that the US is so bad.. then you are free to leave……as dear ‘ole Lewis Grizzard once said….

“if it is so bad here, get your rear end on a Delta cause they are ready when you are” and I beleive they have some nice one way flights to the middle east.

By carl

November 8, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

yeah, and maybe Hillary will be our next president!!! God help us if that happens.

By MrLiberty

November 8, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Traitor 1: one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty; 2 : one who commits treason

Treason 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or to one’s state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

Afghanistan was a sovereign nation that had not attacked us. If you believe the government’s story about 9-11, none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. At best, there may have been some training activities going on in the country (much like the flight instruction lessons that the hijackers were taking in the US). Only Congress can declare war according to our constitution. Bush invaded this country without a declaration of war in violation of the constitution (one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty).

9-11 at best was a criminal act by a group of individuals. It was not handled as a crime but as an excuse to unleash the dogs of war. To date, the FBI does not have sufficient evidence to even charge Osama Bin Laden with the crime of 9-11(check out their own web site). We are no longer even looking for him.

Poll after poll in the middle east shows clearly that our actions, beginning with the invasion of Afghanistan, have encouraged more people to take up arms against us than would have otherwise. In other words, the actions of our president have given specific moral aid and comfort to our enemies.

My comments should never have given anyone the idea that I am just another sheep who will sit back and believe the lies told by this or any other government. What I certainly am not is a traitor. If my duty is supposedly to my country, then it must be to protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic. Unfortunately today the greater threat is domestic. Osama never had the power to destroy the constitution and the bill of rights. Bush did it with just a few strokes of his pen. Speaking out against this administration is the most patriotic thing one can do.

By SNY

November 8, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Stewart,

You know what, the only place some of us can get a job is at Wal-Mart so watch yourself on that. And don’t say that I don’t have any ambition. If I didn’t have any ambition then I wouldn’t have my Accounting degree and working towards my Masters. But, sometimes, because of circumstances beyond ones control, you don’t get the job offers that some people get. I did what society told me that I was supposed to do. I got good grades in school, joined the military for 4 years, went to college. I am suppose to be financially okay, but I’m not. My husband did the same thing except for he did 10 years in the military. And do you know what we got for all of our hard work - not a d@mned thing. We are both working 2 jobs - that’s 4 all together - just to afford our home and to take care of our two kids. We struggle every week, every month to make ends meet and we did what the hell the Republicans said that we should do. Work hard in school and you will be rewarded - bullsh… I would be rewarded if I were white or if I were latino, but being black people automatically assume that I am going to have an attitude and a chip on my shoulder. Well, you know what, I do now. I didn’t for the longest time, but over the last 4 years my life has gotten nothing but increasingly harder. I’m not asking to be rich, hell I don’t want to be rich. Just okay. But thanks to the idiots and the powers that be up in Washington, that isn’t happening. Instead I have to struggle. So don’t tell me about being ambitious.

By Bob

November 8, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

See you in Hell, Donnie!

By Middle America

November 8, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Misty,

You ignorant slut. Sorry it just rolled off the fingertips.

Democrats have an agenda. Just because you ignore it and FoxNews didn’t report it, doesn’t mean they didn’t have one. Saying “stay the course” repeatedly and clicking your heels three times will not make Iraq disappear. Democrats have several ideas about Iraq, because there is no perfect answer to the situation. The best solution would have never gone to war in the first place. But Bush did, and the GOP gave him a blank check to screw it up. This election was a punishment to Bush and the GOP for going to Iraq in the first place. The next election in 2008 will be a referendum on what the GOP (in Bush form) and the Democratic majority in Congress does about the mess. There are no magic bullets. There is only bad or worse. We should give Iraq some goals with time limits to meet and say meet them or we leave cold turkey.

As for being safer…..if we locked you in your basement and never let you leave, the chances of being the victim of terrorism would be almost zero. You’re welcome to it. As for me and my fellow Americans, we want our Constitutional rights, and want our government to address the cause of terrorism, not treat the symptoms as Mr. Bush wants to do.

By ABS

November 8, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Faye’s comments “if you feel the US is so bad..then you are fee to leave….” just shows her ignorance. Other countries in this world actually have immigration laws that prohibit people from just moving in when they feel like it. What makes people like her think we would WANT to leave? I don’t like the way the country is being governed, but I love my country and h ate to see it going to hell!

By Wednesday

November 8, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

SNY Why did you have to play the race card? So many other people are in your situation and they aren’t black. Be thankful you CAN work those jobs.

By Middle America

November 8, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Mr. Liberty,

You’re wrong about Afghanistan. Your analysis that the sovreign country of Afghanistan did not attack us is misleading. The Nazis didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor (as Bluto may have us believe) but it didn’t stop us from entering the European theater of war. And if you’d like to question the morality of that war, go ahead, tie your own noose. The facts are that the “government” (I say that laughingly) of Afghanistan gave aid and cover to al Qaeda, knowing what they were up to. The US gave them an opportunity to turn in al Qaeda, and they refused, sealing their fate.

Afghanistan is the war we should be fighting, with the full force of our military, instead of dicking around in Iraq.

By Misty

November 8, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

“Misty, you ignorant slut. Sorry it just rolled off the fingertips”

Aren’t liberals supposed to be the PC party? So because I have an opinion different from you then I am a slut? Obviously your social and debating skills lack substance or tact. Cheap shots don’t exactly give you credibility. I don’t get my talking points from Fox News, I actually do my homework. Democrats voted for the war as did the Republicans so why don’t you do your homework? Do yourself a favor & research Clinton’s legacy & you will see for yourself what he actually accomplished in 8 years.

As for the Democrats, talk to me when your taxes are raised because that is exactly what will happen. Democrats will raise the taxes to trim the deficit which Bush’s tax cuts are well on their way to do. Iraq will certainly erupt into a civil war because Democrats will try & pull most, if not all, of the troops out causing more chaos in the region & giving the U.S. more enemies.

By ABS

November 8, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on Rumsfeld earlier……I thought it would take him AT LEAST until the weekend to resign! What a great surprise this was!

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

ONE THING IS FOR SURE, YOU DEMOCRAT LIBERAL LEFTWINGERS ARE PURE IDIOTS….I HOPE BIN LADEN COMES UP AND BITES YOU IN THE A*……

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Misty:
Homework is not sitting at home watching the television and reading the newspaper. If you truly were someone who “did their homework” you would know better than to make predictions like you did in your second paragraph. It’s obvious you believe everything you hear and read honey.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

What a riot….a gay republican is calling someone else an idiot…HELLO!!

By ABS

November 8, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

J.B., I was thinking that Misty did her homework at foxnews.com, or www.spewallrhetoricihear.com or maybe she read Ann Coulter’s new book.

By AuggieDog

November 8, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

It fasinates me that righties can’t really have an intelligent discussion. It’s always just throw insults to divert the attention off the issues. I think that pathetic tactic failed yesterday during the elections. There was an interview with Rove on a Sunday Morning news show a few weeks where he said the public polls were wrong and his polls were right and the Republicans were in no danger of losing seats…I’d like to see those polls he was talking…lying about. He’ll be the next one to resign.

By bird

November 8, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

What a wonderful day! Now could someone please tell me how we can SHUT SEAN HANNITY UP! OH YES NEAL BOORTZ ALSO!

By Jokester

November 8, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Gayrepublican,

If Bin Laden comes up to bite us in the a** we’ll be sure to provide you as a tasty treat.

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

SO J.B. EXPLAIN YOURSELF, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF I WAS A GAY DEMOCRAT. THIS OUGHT TO BE GOOD.

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

ABS, I bet you’re right!

By d

November 8, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Now maybe we can get SEAN HANNITY and NEAL BORTZ to SHUT UP!

By AuggieDog

November 8, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

please see gayreplublican’s comments…its proves my point

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

JOKESTER, YOU ARE INDEED WHAT YOUR NAME SAYS. HA HA HA …….

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

gayrepublican, Please explain how you can support a party that takes money from the right-wing christian crazies who think you should be put away because you’re gay.

By WhatAreYouThinking

November 8, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Why are we so excited to have someone so out of touch running the House? Two weeks ago Nancy said this: * Pelosi said, “it suddenly occurred to us that the terrorists and so-called insurgents are the aggressors.”* It “suddenly occurred” to her? Where has she been? Let’s see they hi-jack our planes and killed thousands of innocent people and it just occurred to her? and she “asked the terrorist groups and armed militias to pull out of Iraq…” Oh, good thinking there Nancy, let’s just ask them in our very nicest voice to just go home. Why didn’t we think of that before?!! She has no clue.

By Bill Gates

November 8, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Thanks AJC, but I’ll stick to being a geek. BTW, it’s Robert, not Bill…lol!

By Misty

November 8, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

“Misty: Homework is not sitting at home watching the television and reading the newspaper. If you truly were someone who “did their homework” you would know better than to make predictions like you did in your second paragraph. It’s obvious you believe everything you hear and read honey.”

If I watched T.V. or read the newspaper, then I would have voted for Democrats yesterday “honey”. Do you not recognize the liberal bias in the media? The media, for the most part, is anti-Bush & anti-Republican. Nancy Pelosi & most her cronies oppose this war. Honestly, what do you think most opposers would do?

Obviously from your earlier post, you feel that Bush is responsible for 9/11. How do you make that assessment when 9/11 was planned long before Bush was elected? The WTC was bombed in ‘93 & Bin Laden made it known they would strike again. Clinton had many opportunities to get him & he did not. How is that Bush’s fault when he was only in office for 8 months & Bin Laden had already gone into hiding in preparation for the “holy war” he would wage against the U.S.?

It amazes me how many things Bush is apparently responsible for. 9/11, terrorism in the world, Hurricane Katrina & the list goes on. Why don’t Democrats recognize the real enemy instead of consistently pointing the finger of blame at Bush & Republicans.

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

NO AUGGIE DOGGIE…..IT JUST MEANS YA’LL ARE DUMBER THAN ROCKS…..

By jon

November 8, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

It is amazing to me that so many liberals are still calling for President Bush to be impeached. There is no basis to impeach the President. But, I think it would be great if the President was impeached, because for all you brilliant, thinking for yourself liberals who keep calling for the impeachment, if President Bush were impeached you would have a new President, President Dick Cheney.

By MrLiberty

November 8, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Stewart and Faye,

I’ts always amusing to hear comments like “if you don’t like it here then leave” from folks who are happily accepting the alteration and destruction of their own constitution without the formal process of amendment.

When I was born there was still some semblance of a republic here. In just the last 6 years the executive has assumed the role and power of a dictator, congress has gone belly up and consistently violates the constitution with its laws, etc. and the Supreme Court shows even less regard for the constitution.

You are more than happy to steal my money to pay for your government programs of schooling, welfare, and warfare. You are also content to steal my republic and replace it with a totalitarian dictatorship and then tell me to get lost.

Since you are so happy with totalitarianism and a permanent military buildup, why don’t you move to North Korea or some other place where your unconstitutional beliefs will find a good home?

When the time comes to leave this country, it will be because all hope is lost and the mentality that the two of you share has won. Until then, history, reality, and the facts are still on my side.

And by the way, nice come back for all of the facts etc. that I presented. You must have been quite a presence on the playground when an argument broke out. Don’t bother educating yourself on any of these facts. The truth will just disappoint you and break the spell that Fox news has you under.

By Proud to be American

November 8, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

SNY,

Your comment reaks of hatred and ignorance, maybe thats why you are working two jobs and can’t seem to get ahead in life. Try a new attitude and maybe you might find a better job.

By 'Bill' Gates?

November 8, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

I want to thank the AJC for naming me the new Defense Secretary. Just wait until Vista comes out - I’ll find that Osama yet!

By ABS

November 8, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

See J.B., I told you so.

By abouttime

November 8, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Gayrepublican,

Why would you affiliate yourself with a political party that throws gays under the bus every election in order to motivate their base?

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Misty, You also support a party who takes money from the right-wing christian crazies who think your opinion doesn’t matter because you are a woman. Are you at work or at home taking care of your children and making your husband dinner?

By AuggieDog

November 8, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

J.B.—I’m curious about that too

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

J.B…..I AM SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, YES I AM GAY, AND YES THE GOP IS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE AND THE WHOLE GAY THING. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE (the republicans) CAN STAND UP FOR WHAT WE NEED TO. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME? AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK OTHER GAY PEOPLE SHOULD QUIT THINKING WITH THEIR D%!KS AND START THINKING WITH THEIR BRAINS…I WOULD RATHER HAVE MY A* PROTECTED AND HAVE A SAFE COUNTRY WITH A PRESIDENT THAT IS NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE THAN TO HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT ACCEPTS ME BECAUSE I AM GAY….YOU WEIGH THE ODDS. I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY ACCEPT ME IF I AM GAY. THAT WILL ALL COME IN TIME. BUT WE ARE IN A CRISIS WITH ANIMALS WHO WANT TO KILL US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE. WAKE UP PEOPLE. AND IF YOU WOULD JUST LISTEN TO NEAL BOORTZ ONCE AND A WHILE HE IS NOT SUCH A BAD GUY. ALSO I FEEL THAT NO MATTER WHO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS, REP OR DEM, YOU SHOULD HAVE RESPECT AND THE DEMS DON’T. I WAS RAISED TO HAVE RESPECT AND THE OLD SCHOOL VALUES AND I AM PROUD OF THAT AND I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN……..

By AuggieDog

November 8, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

gayrepublican..I’m gay too. But, have invested the time in understanding what the Republican party is really about. Unlike you I don’t think with my d*@k either and gays like you don’t do anything but, perpetuate the stereotype that we do.
Let me ask you this? Did you serve in the military? I bet you didn’t. So, why don’t you? If you like Bush and his policies so much..go enlist…

By J.B.

November 8, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

gayrepublican, You answered my question. You were raised in a republican home and brainwashed. You don’t like yourself enough to stand up for your rights and you certainly have not matured enough to make up your own mind. But this will come in time. The republicans are not going to keep us any safer than the democrats….wake up and smell the starbucks dude!!

By abouttime

November 8, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Gayrepublican,

You can say the same thing without having your CAPS LOCK on. And if we’re in such a crisis they why don’t you enlist. Are you afraid that you might tell if they ask?

By pockasnocka

November 8, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Yes the war will be handled differently. With a Democratic Congress and no more politicking to be done, Bush will now be forced to accept reality and react accordingly. No, Mr. President, we are not winning.

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

AUGGIE DOGGIE, JUST LIKE J.B. YA’LL ARE JUST PUTTING YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTHS TODAY. FOR YOUR INFORMATION….RAPID DOMINANCE… MEANS….TO RAPIDLY DISARM,DISRUPT AND DESTROY….FAMILIAR….SEMPER FI..MY FRIEND…..I HAPPEN TO BE A DESERT STORM VETERAN WHO SERVED PROUDLY WITH THE MARINE CORPS AS A LIEUT. 1ST CLASS WITH PLATOON 1039 CO. D. ANY MORE QUESTIONS. DUMB A*…

By AuggieDog

November 8, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

abouttime - that should silence our friend that loves CAPS LOCK.

By Misty

November 8, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

“Misty, You also support a party who takes money from the right-wing christian crazies who think your opinion doesn’t matter because you are a woman. Are you at work or at home taking care of your children and making your husband dinner?”

Actually I am single & I have a great paying job & able to support myself quite nicely. Quite an accomplishment since according to you I sit at home reading the newspaper and watching T.V. just to have talking points. I am also a Christian & my values fall into line with conservatism. That is why I vote Republican. I suppose I should support the Democratic party whose voters use personal attacks against me because I am an opinionated woman or feel that because I am a woman that I am some zombie with no intelligence or credibility?!

Democrats are supposedly advocates of political correctness and anti-discriminatory actions but consistently bash Christians or those who follow any religion. The ACLU is a prime example of this. Thus the campaign to eliminate “Merry Christmas” & replace it with “Happy Holidays”, taking prayer & the “Pledge of Allegiance” out of schools. Principles that this great country was founded on are consistently being threatened in order to serve the liberal ideal.

By KPH

November 8, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

All of you Dumbocrats are going to be crying the blues in a few years. the stock market is at an all time high. Unemployment is at an all time low. We have not had anymore terrorist attacks in the last five years. The budget is well on its way toward being balanced. Wow this all needs to be changed? We were told by President Bush on the night of 9-11 that this was going to be a long war and there would be casualties and the whole country was stead fast behind him even the Dumbocrat Senators and House reps. that are selling him down the country these days. I am glad that I have the intelect to have heard and understand what I was told that night! What happened to you peoples American spirit? Are you blind to the progress that this country has made in the last 5 years? Were you deaf when you heard the speech President Bush made the night of 9-11? Did you not see the House and Senate Democrats on the steps of the Capitol in agreement with the President that night? I am very afraid of what you democratic voters did yesterday . I dont want to take a pay cut due to higher taxes. I dont want higher unemployment. I dont want to support crack addicts and baby manufacturers. I dont want any more terrorist attacks on US soil. I dont want any more illegal immigrants that I will have to help support! By the way you dumbocrats voted yesterday you folks dont mind all the things I dont want to occur. In a few years you people can look back to yesterday to see why this is all happening!

By gayrepublican

November 8, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

OK ABOUTTIME…..DOES MY CAPS BUG YOU. GOOD. NOW THAT THAT IS OVER. I AM GOING HOME NOW AND LET YOU LEFTIES HAVE THE LAST WORD AS YOU ALWAYS DO. AND J.B. BRAINWASHED NO I DON’T THINK SO. I JUST STAND FOR PEOPLE LIVING THEIR LIVES WITHOUT HAVING IT HANDED TO THEM ON A SILVER PLATTER, WELFARE, GAY MARRIAGE, TAXES ETC ON AND ON AND ON ……..I RESPECTED MY PARENTS AND I LEARNED THAT THEY WERE GENUINE. NOT FAKES. USMC OVER AND OUT……

By abouttime

November 8, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Auggie—CAPS LOCK makes him feel special, kind of the same way that being gay and Republican makes him feel special.

GayRepub,

Much respect for your service in the Marines during the Gulf War. However, it seems that you haven’t noticed that many high ranking officers in the military do not support Bush’s defense policy as exemplified by the recent editorials ran in both the Army Times and the Navy Times.

By Edward F

November 8, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

I am looking forwad to the day when dick chenney is handcuffed with shackles walking in the federal court house in D.C. It will be the icing on the cake. I want accountability for the war in Iraq, the energy fiasco, and all the crap we had to put it with the last 6 years.

By abouttime

November 8, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Misty,

Please!!!!! I can respect your conservative views, but don’t try to sell that line of BS about there being a war on Christmas! I have never seen anyone get mad at someone else saying Merry Christmas. Not even in the ultra-liberal college town where I went to school. If you want to go out like Don Quixote and chase windmills then go ahead, but don’t pollute the cyberspace with that garbage and risk making easily-swayed onlookers more paranoid and clueless!

By About time

November 8, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

I truly believe the republicans would not have suffered so many loses if Rumfield had “resigned” much earlier.

By Milton

November 8, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Hey GayRepublican, do you believe God can do anything and nothing is impossible for him as the Rev. Ted Haggard preaches? Well get this GayRepublican, IF GOD BELIEVED IN HOMOSEXUALITY, HE WOULDA IMPREGNATED JOSEPH INSTEAD OF MARY. Remember now, God can do anything and nothing is impossible for him.

By Misty

November 8, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Abouttime, how many retail stores had “Merry Christmas” signage & the otherwise displayed last year? What did you see? Chances are it was “Happy Holidays”. I didn’t say there was a “war on Christmas” per say. What I am saying is that the ACLU finds the term “Merry Christmas” offensive & therefore is trying to find a more liberal-friendly term to replace it with. What is wrong with leaving things as they are?

If someone is offended by prayer in schools or by reciting the “Pledge of Allegiance” then they don’t have to participate, it’s just that simple. I am sure schools could easily accomodate those who don’t want to. My point is why preach anti-discriminism but yet show hypocrisy by doing the very thing that you are supposedly against?

By GaNative

November 8, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Let The Good Times Roll Again!! Now that the Democrats have taken over again, I think we should give BUSH HELL like they did when Clinton was in office. Bush, you better be cleaner than Jesus because every thing is about to come out on you now.

By john

November 8, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

to abouttime and J.B: We live in a nation of double-standards. You bash gayrepublican because the GOP you say throws gays ‘under the bus.” Well here is an example of a double-standard. The Salem Baptist Church, a huge black powerful church on Chicago’s southside, did a play for its congregations children. The church leader is Rev. James Meeks. Not just any pastor. He is a democrat state senator, also. Considered one of the most powerful politicians in Illinois. His church is where Barack Obama kicked-off his senatorial campaign. Meeks is also Jesse Jackson’s best friend and Jackson’s HAND-PICKED successor to lead the Rainbow Operation-PUSH organization when Jackson steps down. Anyway, the theme of the play is anybody who had abortion and anybody who is gay will automatically go to hell (10/31, Chicago Sun-Times, page 6). Not one Gay organization and not one women’s organization said a word. Not so much as a peep. Yet, how many times has Jerry Falwell been chastized for similar beliefs in which he wasn’t as extreme as Meeks? How many politicians (conservative) have been criticized for visiting his church, or lets say a Bob Jones University? So why the rules different for Meeks? And don’t forget with Meeks being a politician as well, chances are there are gays and pro-choice women in his district and state….

Another DOUBLE STANDARD example: When republican senator Ted Stevens tried to build that bridge to nowhere in Alaska, it was called a SCANDAL. Am I right? Yet, Robert Byrd has all these highways that end in dead-ends in WV and Teddy Kennedy has the useless ‘big dig’ in Massachusetts and its not called scandal, rather its called pork-barrel. Again, a double standard.

By Butch Gaddy

November 8, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

First let me say, retired generals don’t run this war, nor should public opinion. During World War II Roosevelt was not a popular President and he did not let puplic opinion sway him fighting this cruel war. He and his generals made many mistakes and lost many American troops because of it. But,this was war……. no one person can predict the daily happenings in a war. I hear all of you Dems howling out there. What are you going to do now??? Who in your party is going to be strong enough to persue this war on terror? I shudder to think. What a sad day for you and this country of ours. Now go and hold Nancy’s hand. She is going to protect you from terrorists, stop wire taps, raise your taxes, raise the minimum wage causing unemployment to soar, kill the stock market and give illegals amnesty (because she works illegals in her million dollar vinyards in California.). Yep, what a sad day for Dems….Americas real enemy.

By john

November 8, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

to Milton and GaNative: Bush didn’t bash Clinton. He wasn’t in Washington then. BTW, what are you talking about? They’ve been bashing Bush for 6 years now. Look, Clinton got off easy with the media. He pushed NAFTA, GAIT, WTO agreements down our throats which has sent alot of jobs overseas and the media was easy on him. He pushed through Welfare Reform which has punished poor single mothers the most. He looked the other way, didn’t lift a finger, and let ONE MILLION innocent human beings be slaughtered in Rwanda. Hundreds of thousands in Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Liberia, and Uganda. And ‘chattel slavery of Black Africans’ in Sudan by there Arab masters became a everyday business + a genocide. Not even the Congressional Black Caucas said a word then. They criticize Bush because he waited a week before sending marines to Liberia and relying on African Union troops for Darfur. Clinton also put more young black men in the penal systems of America then any 2 previous American Presidents. Guess what, he has this miserable record on Africa and domestic achievement, so does he get criticized, no, instead he’s labeled the ‘first black president’. And as far as gays go, hey it wasn’t Bush who had this cop-out ‘don’t say, don’t tell’ policy, it was Clinton. So where is the criticism then? Also, Clinton has 5.2 unemployment and everybody brags, “well, at least he put everybody to work”. Bush has the lowest unemployment in decades at 4.4 and everybody says,” well, its McDonalds” What is there, a McDonalds on EVERY block? Gimme a break! And yes, too many soldiers are dying in Iraq. But I’d like to remind you the war I fought in (VietNam) there was on the average 225 Americans killed every week. Oh yeah, I was drafted and sent there by a DEMOCRATIC president, your hero Lyndon Johnson. Tell you what, I’m happy those days are over. I’m happy those Jimmy Carter (your hero) days are over, also. The long gas lines, 8% unemployment, 20% inflation…And Milton, I’m straight, but a gay man is a human being, also. And a patriotic American. You so-called liberals make me sick. You are all hypocrites.

By Artie

November 8, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

It’s about f*cking time!!!! Now maybe we can get somebody in there that will be dedicated to getting Iraq straightened out or orchestrate getting our brave men and women out of there.

What a GREAT day to be alive!!!! Dems take over the House AND Senate…now we have something to check that dim-wit in the White House!!!!

By Rob

November 8, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Liberals hypocrites, not as much as the christian right wing GOP conservatives. I am a white male, veteran of Iraqi war (2 tours) and damn proud to be a liberal. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004. There are just as many patriotic liberal americans Bush Sucks

By GaNative

November 8, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

John,how dare you to talk about Bush’s LOW UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. Sure a lot of folks are working but they are working thru TEMPORATY STAFFING AGENCIES. Bush has KILLED THIS COUNTRY. I KNOW COLIN POWELL IS LAUGHING HIS AZZ OFF THINKING I’M GLAD I GOT DA HELL OUTTA DODGE.

By GaNative

November 8, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Want to end this war quickly? SEND LIL JENNA AND BARBARA TO THE IRAQI FRONT LINES.

By UNKNOWN HINSON

November 8, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

* GOOD RIDANCE RUMSFELD, YOU ARE A LYING CHEATING PEICE OF SHlT.* HEY I GOT AN IDEA LETS SPEND 32 BILLION A YEAR ON FIGHTING THE “DRUG WAR” AND YET EACH YEAR MORE COME IN. HMMM, MAYBE ARRESTING 70 YEAR OLD PEOPLE WHO HAVE CANCER TRYING TO GET RID OF THE HORRID PAIN IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AFTER ALL. ALTHOUGH I’M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS NEW GUY HE MAY BE THE SAME FRUIT BAT DUMBSFELD WAS.

By Jay

November 8, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

The Democrats won & the Hawks are winning. It’s got to be the apocolypse!

By Jay

November 8, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

By the way, nice posts Misty & John. You have some valid points.

By A

November 8, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Riiiight, Misty. We’re safer under the Patriot Act that strips us of civil liberties. Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought this country was founded so we’d HAVE liberties. When are you people going to realize that if Al Qaeda and terrorists and whoever else hates the U.S. really and truly WANT to attack us, they ARE going to find a way. Look at history.

By good post john

November 8, 2006 08:06 PM | Link to this

john, pearls before swine, my friend, pearls before swine.

By Jay

November 8, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

A, would you rather give up certain civil liberties in order for you & your family to remain safe? I certainly would. I hope you are not referring to NSA wiretapping & feel that it applies to you. The government is only listening in on conversations of those who they feel are affiliated or support Al Qaeda or it’s alliances. I don’t think they care about the average Joe’s daily conversation with Aunt Betty.

Our world is different than when it was first founded. I don’t think that our forefathers envisioned the type of enemy we face today. I think everyone knows that we will eventually get hit again, the point is how many attacks have we averted because of the Patriot Act. The answer is many. In order to fight for our freedom, we have to be willing to make some sacrifices & we have to be one step ahead of our enemies.

By Anti-Patriot Act people are

November 8, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

either terrorists (yes, they have access to the internet), drug dealers (yes, they don’t want their phones tapped), or people that never have to fly commercial.

By A

November 8, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Well obviously it isn’t, Jay. And I don’t feel any safer than I did, nor do I feel my family is any safer. So to answer your question, I would rather have my liberties. And of course I don’t think the NSA applies to me personally, but it’s the principle of the matter. It’s unconstitutional. Bush and his comrades are “one step ahead” in finding ways to twist the 2nd amendment to get around the system of checks and balances that our founding fathers so carefully constructed to prevent the president from having too much power and enacting things like the NSA wiretapping, Guantanamo Bay and ignoring the Geneva conventions.

By Jay

November 8, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

Do you honestly feel that our POW’s are being treated according to the Geneva Convention by our enemies? I suppose torture & ultimately beheading someone is considered appropriate treatment. I would hardly consider water boarding in the same category as a beheading. In Gitmo, they get hot meals, access to the Koran & get to observe their daily prayer regimen. I can’t honestly understand why anyone would advocate rights to those who get pleasure out of killing innocent civilians. We are a good nation, whether you want to believe it or not. We are not the enemy and should not be deemed to be by our own people. Al Qaeda is our enemy, don’t you remember what a kick in the gut 9/11 was?

By Debbie

November 8, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

Seems like the President should have made the decision to replace Rumsfeld public prior to the elections! The Republicans might have been able to maintain at least a little diginity.

By Anti-Patriot Act people are

November 8, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

“A”, you should read up on what FDR (Democrat) did during WWII. MY GOD, the internet should have never been taken out of academia.

By Adriana

November 8, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

So is it “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” now? You must not have read the news in the past year about Guantanamo and the torture that goes on there, or taken the time to read the cases. Why do you think investigations are being opened? Whether you’d like to believe it or not, not every single person at Guantanamo is a terrorist. I never said our nation wasn’t good. I believe we are a good nation. A good nation with a bad administration. An administration that capitalized on fear to go into war against an enemy more idealogical than physical. An enemy that’s been around since the beginning of time. I’m not advocating terrorists rights. I’m advocating MY rights. In addition, the 2nd Amendment is not a free-for-all for the president, even if he is “the decider.” I’m also not saying that Democrats have never abused the 2nd Amendment. Both parties are equally guilty. All I’m saying is that it’s a shame it happens. It’s a shame history repeats itself. I for one am tired of the war. I voted for change, and obviously, so did the rest of our country.

By Gayle Abbott

November 8, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this

If Saddam can be tried and executed for crimes against humanity, then we should follow the example of this “emerging democracy” and put Rummy and Cheney on trial as was criminals. and perhaps borrow their gallows.

By Anti-Patriot Act people are

November 8, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

oh, “Gayle Abbott” is advocating the murder of the Vice President of the United States of America? The Secret Service will be interested.

By Jay

November 8, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this

Torture as in taking obscene photos of detainees? Torture as in water boarding? How do you know that not every person that is at Gitmo is not a terrorist? What are your sources or, better yet, who are your inside sources that have given you this privileged information? Or are you basing it on detainees telling officials that they are not terrorists nor do they support terrorist organizations? I suppose we should take their word for it.

You say you believe we are a good nation with bad administration. I suppose you also feel we are a good nation with an evil military, after all, those are the one’s supposedly torturing these detainees in Gitmo. When will you bleeding heart liberals stop trying to coddle our enemies & give them rights that belong to civil human beings? What change did you vote for? Change in, for instance, the war ending & troops coming home. Yes, war is ugly & it’s a nice thought for our troops to be home but in this case it is necessary we remain in Iraq.

What do you think will happen when we leave Iraq prematurely & a civil war breaks out? Also, what about Iran? Don’t you think that with it’s nuclear ambitions that it is a good idea that we would be ready to invade should things escalate there rapidly? Do you think if we have no military presence in that region that it would be easy for us to re-gain access through Iraq or a neighboring country? Think about it, the Iraqi government by that time will be history & will be run by a terrorist regime b/c the terrorists would have executed the Iraqi government as we now know it & suppressed the people.

With that said, militarily speaking, how would you then gain access to Iran? It’s not just short term goals folks but think long term. Our world is different than it was prior to 9/11 & we have had to change our approach in dealing with our enemies in order to keep us safe.

By Jay

November 8, 2006 11:39 PM | Link to this

Also, think about this scenario as it pertains to detainees at Gitmo. Take for instance KSM (a.k.a. the mastermind of 9/11). As you know, water boarding this individual led to uncovering & averting planned terrorist attacks. Let’s take into account a hypothetical scenario involving an interrogator & KSM.

Interrogator: Mr. Mohammad, can you tell me if any terrorist attacks are currently being planned or about to be executed on U.S. soil or U.S. interests abroad?

KSM: Not to my knowledge.

Interrogator: Are you sure?

KSM: Well yes, I am sure.

Interrogator: Thank you for your time Mr. Mohammad, I am sorry to have bothered you today. Would you like a Koran?

Do you honestly think that he would tell us the truth without some show of force? I would rather water board this individual in order to save American lives if that’s what it takes.

By Tina

November 8, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

I wish Donald Rumsfeld the very best. The country has been honored by his service during his lifetime. May God bless America.

By Hickory

November 9, 2006 01:19 AM | Link to this

I heard an interview with a former subordinate of Gates on NPR. According to that gentleman, Gates is a realist and a pragmatist and an excellent administrator. If Gates were to bring a touch of reality to the Bush administration, Bush is likely to have a heart attack.

By john

November 9, 2006 01:37 AM | Link to this

to GaNative and Rob: Don’t give me this there all temporary jobs. There were MORE Manpower franchises in the 90’s then now. What do you say about that? Hey, I bet you want Jimmy Carter again. We know the unemployment rate and inflation rate during his reign, don’t we? Nice deal he made with the N. Koreans also (LOL). Boy was the Clinton Administration suckered on that one. Oh yeah, alot of those unskilled and semi-skilled jobs (mainly assembly) have indeed left America. So did you thank Clinton for it? His NAFTA, GAIT, and WTO agreements…Rob, I’m a war vet too. So throw it at somebody else. And show me where I said alot of liberals weren’t patriots, also? Remember this, getting back to coming home after serving overseas. You weren’t called ‘drug addicts’, ‘baby killers’, etc.,etc., etc. when you came back like we had to endure. And you know damn well who called us those names and treated us terribly. The folks who are the know-it-all liberals of today.

By john

November 9, 2006 02:08 AM | Link to this

PS: GaNative, you say Rumsfeld has blood on his hands. How about John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson? And LBJ making up the Tonkin Gulf incident. That only cost 58,000 American lives and one million Vietnamese. So does JFK and LBJ (later Nixon) have any blood on there hands? How about Jimmy Carter, Mr.HumanRights(LOL), looking the other way when 2 1/2 million Cambodians were being slaughtered. So what did the US do when VietNam stopped the genocide, Carter recognized the Pol Pot folks over who the Vietnamese put up. Yeah, real Mr. Human Rights (LOL). Hey, how about Teddy Kennedy? He sure made an attempt to help that girl when she was drowning in that car. Instead of going for help, he waits 4 hours and then calls his campaign manager. Talk about ‘blood on your hands’. And I’ve brought up where Clinton has looked the other way. Hey, about this Iraq war. How come you say nothing about Biden, Kerry, Edwards, and Hillary Clinton voting FOR the war? As far as using incompetent information. You blame Bush. But Hillary’s husband was president only about 10 months earlier. And didn’t the Clintons always say they were a team. When you got one you got both. That means she already was aware of all the information on Iraq. So why aren’t you inspecting her hands? Maybe if her husband wasn’t so complacent and having so much fun, he would have taken the first WTC bombing, the Kenyan and Tanzanian Embassies bombings, the USS Cole, etc. more seriously. Maybe if he hadn’t cut down on intelligence funding, thinking satellite surveillance would take the place of ‘spies on the ground’ we’d have had better intelligence. Along with looking the other way on all these African genocides, I’d say that he has an awful lot of blood on his hands. Lets hope this nut in N.Korea doesn’t blow up Seoul, now that he has nuclear toys. And why was the NK able to develop there a**, because Madalyn Albright (along with a Carter visit) made agreements with those nuts and didn’t even have verification clauses in their treaties. Talk about dumb. Talk about future blood on somebodies hands. And you know, we can go on.

By Gumzzz

November 9, 2006 04:28 AM | Link to this

” It fasinates me that righties can’t have an intelligent discussion” Huh???

By GaNative

November 9, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Cry me a P****** river John. Bush is a complete DUMB MASS. Now he wants to talk bipartism with Nancy Pelosi. What a difference a day makes. Did you see how humble we was at the news conference yesterday. LMAO. And Bush is still picking these old farts that worked for his daddy like Robert Gates. Will he ever learn? Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should all be tried as war criminals. They should drop all charges against Saddam too. When Bush tells you you’re doing a good job and he calls you something like Brownie or Rummy, you better believe your AZZ IS TOAST.

By GaNative

November 9, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

Thank you Mr. Bush for SELLING OUT AMERICA. Sure unemployment is low, but who wants a job at Walmart or Dunkin Doughnuts? Most of the High Tech jobs have been outsourced to Temp Agencies and Offshore to India. They even have INDIANS HERE ON VISA’S driving down prices. And did you noticed what BUSH said yesterday, now he wants to give AMNESTY to the illegals. Just let em stay here and continue to drive down prices.

By GaNative

November 9, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

NEW WORLD ORDER, the DEMOCRATS ARE BACK IN DA HOUSE!!! Let the good times roll!!! BUSH kills me with that “the american people” BULLSHID. We showed him just how the American People felt Tuesday. Tuesday was BLACK TUESDAY for Republicans. Tuesday was a statement that We are Fed up with Bush and his Administration. We are fed up with the Corruption and the Lies. We are fed up with the BANGING OF BOYS by the Republican Congressmen. We are fed up with their allegiance with LYING PREACHERS like Ted Haggard, and down right COMPLETE IDIOT PREACHERS like Pat Robinson. OK, and before you try to remind me of Clinton’s immorality, AT LEAST IT WAS WITH A WOMAN, that’s natural.

By Ganative

November 9, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Now that Congressman Mark Foley has been taken down and Rev. Ted Haggard with his ties to the current administration has been exposed. I bet a lot more of them RASCALS IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WEARS PANTY LINERS.

By Astonished

November 9, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Just reading all of these today tells me exactly what is wrong with our country these days. The same hate and discontent in the above messages are the same as found in our politicians. They don’t have a clue what it is to do their jobs according to what is best for our country…only their party. Those of you with the snide comments don’t have a clue that they don’t know. I don’t give a damn about party politics but I do love my country and it’s about time our elected officials got back to business.

By cass

November 9, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Amen Astonished. I would just like to know one thing from all these folks that just love Nancy, what is her plan now that she is where she wanted to be? Will she continue to bash our current administration and our men overseas?

By Mike

November 9, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Ganative, can you actually make a valid point without being vulgar? (Panty liners statement) Women are beautiful creatures & should be respected, but I am sure you wouldn’t understand the concept of that. Neither would “Middle America” who called Misty an ignorant slut even though she not once engaged on personal attacks & made valid points. It sounds to me like he was threatened by an intelligent woman.

It amazes me that the Democratic party runs on the platform of gay rights, etc. but it’s voters will be the 1st to bash gays, case in point, you! The Democrats won because they changed things up this time & chose to run as conservative Democrats instead of running on liberalism. I am sure now that they have gotten voted in, things will surely change. Far-left agenda will now be implemented and that’s not a good thing.

As Jay stated, why coddle terrorists, the very people who want to kill you, whether you are a Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter to them. OBL stated that “he will make no distinction from those who wear a military uniform and those who do not” in terms of killing Americans. Thank God we have a president who sees the threat to our nation and is willing to do what it takes to keep us safe.

By GaNative

November 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Mike, what’s even more amazing is how teh conservatives (Republican Right Wingers) can run their platform against gays, yet sleep with them behind closed doors. And get this through your tick head. The Democrats won because the American Citizens (Including a lot of Republicans) wanted to send a message to the current administration that we’re tired of BUSINESS AS USUAL. We’re tired of Bush’s HARD HEADED STUBBORN WAYS. We’re tired of the WAR TOO. Bush is a man without a country that nobody is crazy about. Even the talks show hosts like Neil Boortz and Michael Savage who were crazy about him now thinks he’s a basket case and have turned against him.