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By Wendy

January 18, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

I think this is a great step toward getting our children educated and interested in knowing more about the Bible and Gods word. I will vote for this if it appears on the voting agenda. Way to go Georgia!!

By James

January 18, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

IF this crazy idea ever makes it to the full house there should be a requirement for a class to teach how every religion has influenced history, literature, and the arts. Otherwise it is nothing more than a violation of the Constitution because it is support of one religion by the government.

If you want your children to learn about the bible and how it has influenced history, literature and the arts you can either teach it at home or send them to a religious school.

Keep religion and the bible out of public schools!

By R-Hollender

January 18, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

Why Bible, why not any other holy books, for example; Torah or Quran (Holy books of three Abrahamic faith)or any other. As our schools are getting multi-cultural and more diversed, we ought to be open-minded.

By carl sears

January 18, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

I think its a great idea. In fact, it should be required. Especially the part about women serving their husbands and basically women knowing their role in life……..that being they are second to men.

By Tom

January 18, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this

So which God(s) do these folk propose to teach? Do they propose to teach that many people do not believe in God, for indeed, that is an alernative. Do they propose to teach religions like Shintoism, Hindu, or whatever. So, go ahead and teach religion or whatever, just be certain to make it an open forum!! We are a plurualistic society.

By ran

January 18, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

If you want your children to have an idea about how the world was really started, you will allow this in public schools. I mean that is how the word history was started. His Story. Meaning our Saviors story. The bible teaches about moralistic values and how to love one another. If there is something wrong with that, then I don’t want to be right.

By Oren

January 18, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

I do not think it is a good idea for the Bible to be taught in public schools. Even as a “non-religious” course! For the record, I am a Christian, Southern Baptist, completely convinced that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible itself makes clear that Christians are to spread the Word. To leave it up to, or allow it to be taught by non-believers will only lead to mis-interpretations and denial of the Power within the Book. Schools should only teach accurately the history of our founding fathers and that their faith was intrenched in Christianity; and that our laws are based on Biblical principles and theTen Commandments.

By Joy

January 18, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

I think it would be a great idea to have an elective Bible class in schools. More kids should be taught about the ten commandments and how to love one another. I think this might help some of the violence that we are seeing in our schools today. Having it be an elective is a good idea.

By DixieBelle

January 18, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

NO!! NO!! I am a born again Christian but I truely believe that teaching a class using the Bible as the source text is wrong. How would the person teaching the class be chosen? Which Christain Bible translation would be used? What about other contemporary faiths? Would the Torah be used also? The Book Of Mormon would probably be excluded because it is not THE Bible according to some. What about the Quram? Again, no for the same reason.
Leave the teaching of religious subjects, no matter how secularized you try to make, to those best qualified. Take your kids to Sunday School, Temple or Mosque and leave the learning to the professionals.

By MIchael

January 18, 2006 07:32 PM | Link to this

Isn’t there a bumper sticker somewhere that says something like “I don’t have a problem with Jesus, it’s his fan club I can’t stand.”? No one can deny the Bible’s influence on culture. Unless you also teach the Bhagavad Gita, the Kuran, the Upanishads, and a few dozen other seminal religious texts, all within the context of their value as cultural wellsprings, you’re asking for the frothing, endlessly blathering nutcases who dominate the religious right to take over the state’s schools with this new course.

This dumb idea of a Bible course is an invitation to turn the schools into a worse hornet’s nest than they already are. What business does the Legislature have establishing a curriculum? I’m not even sure half our legislators can read and write, so who do they think they are handing out orders about courses to be taught in public schools?

I wish Jesus would come back and declare a moritorium on organized religion for a few thousand years. Of course, anyone with his head screwed on straight knows if Jesus came back, He’d get whacked again, and almost certainly Pat Robertson and people like Him would be the ones doing the whacking.

By Ross

January 18, 2006 07:44 PM | Link to this

This is america the bible is the book. If I went to another country would they stop teaching their religion because that was something I didn’t beleive in. If you don’t want your child to hear it OPT OUT! We need to bring religion back into everything. School was much better when we said a prayer before the day got started. GO FOR IT PLEASE!!!!!!

By I. Ortiz

January 18, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

I think it is an EXCELLENT idea. This country is destroying itself just like Israel did forgetting God. I think if we put God in our lives this World would be a better world. He is there to help us and see us succeed. I cannot understand why people would not want such help! What is wrong with you people? God has helped me SO MUCH I cannot even start to tell you because I’d spend the rest of my life telling you about it. Give it a chance to make this world a better place. God bless you!

By Oren

January 18, 2006 07:50 PM | Link to this

Michael, Jesus is coming back, but He won’t get whacked this time. I hope you’ll read about it in the Bible, and I pray you don’t miss out when it happens.

By theocracy.com

January 18, 2006 07:55 PM | Link to this

Why not have a theocracy and get it over with?

By Janet

January 18, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

If you will keep your church out of my classroom, I will keep thinkers out of your church. You believe there are simple answers to difficult questions. There aren’t. I’m in my 80th decade and never had a prayer in school. My highly religious community kept prayer in the churches only. Prayer belongs at home and in church. Religious fanatics are trying to influence our entire culture.

By Alex, Washington, DC

January 18, 2006 07:59 PM | Link to this

I agree others that allowing Georgia high school students to study the Bible in a secular, academic environment and as an elective course is a good thing. But in the world we live in today it is vital that students also have basic understanding of the tenets of the world’s other major religions. My greatest is concern would be the academic instructors in these courses. I believe in the Atlanta metro area finding qualified academic instructors would not be a problem but in the hundreds of counties outside of Atlanta it is a major concern. As someone who grew up in a small Georgia town and who is an Eastern Orthodox Christian my greatest fear is that most rural counties would have a hard time finding a truly qualified academic instructor and would simply fill that teaching position with Billy Bob the local Southern Baptist or other Evangelical denomination preacher who would use that position to condemn everyone who doensn’t hold his beliefs to hell and anyone who grew up in a small Georgia town knows that would most likely occur.

By James

January 18, 2006 08:01 PM | Link to this

Lord save us! Lord save us from these moronic Georgia politicans, that is. Seriously, when Democrats are throwing common sense to the wind by trouncing all over the fine, delicate line between church and state, we’re all in big trouble. What happened to prudent leadership? Now the show is run by mindless, attention-loving, out-of-control idiots!

By Janet

January 18, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

Good, because you aren’t. If you would use the brain our creator gave you, you would realize how idiotic you sound. Stop spreading the news! Those who want to hear from the “good book” will search it out for themselves. This is an alarming idea and should not spread any further. Religion is likely to cause the end of civilization. Oh, I forgot, you are going to be raptured. And by the way, the schools should be paying way more attention to apostrophes than religion, at least your school should.

By Andy

January 18, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

Aside from the obvious Establishment Clause vs. “The Bible Rules!” arguments…

Let’s see: the Democrats have trouble connecting with religious Christians, so they propose something that will make some dumber-than-dumb evangelicals think that they’re introducing religion into public schools without actually doing that.

At least if a Republican had proposed this, the proposal would such obvious pandering as to include something about protecting teachers in case they go outside the curriculum and start preaching.

Traffic stinks, the quality of education is poor in many areas of the state, pollution is increasing in many areas, my gas bill just cleared $400 this month, our electronic voting stations have no paper trail, the lobbyists own our representatives, … you’d think the Democrats could find something to propose that would actually show that they’re serious about having government improve our lives instead of this nonsense about proposing a single humanities course designed to be a potential lawsuit.

By Dwayne

January 18, 2006 08:07 PM | Link to this

This really scares me to read how many people want this done. If you want to teach YOUR kids the bible, do it on YOUR time, not have an educator teach the bible in class. It saddens me that someone even brought this up.

By Doug

January 18, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

I think the class is fine, as long as it remains an elective only, no student should feel pressured to take it. If the school systems can find the faculty to offer the class in schools, then sure why not? Many state universities across the nation offer biblical study as an elective, why not high school as well?

By reeves

January 18, 2006 08:10 PM | Link to this

This is a great idea. Nothing converts more people to Atheism than actually learning what that stupid book says.

Most Christains have never read the bible and if they had, they might have a different view of their silly make believe Jesus.

Give kids of religious nuts a chance to learn what the bible is really about …

Demeaning women, closing minds and hardening hearts.

By marie

January 18, 2006 08:11 PM | Link to this

On my way to work,in a public school, I pass dozens of churches every day.As many as Eckerd or CVS drugstores! I found bibles in hotel and hospital rooms. I change TV channels and see christian programming all day long. If people want their kids to know about the bible, they certainly have many opportunities. So please leave a little place for neutrality… We also have not enough time to teach kids how to read so let’s skip Bible studies and get to science, math… What schools need is A MOMENT OF SCIENCE

By Keith

January 18, 2006 08:12 PM | Link to this

If it is taught by a qualified teacher, meaning someone educated in a theological school, I think it is an excellent idea. This country was founded on what? Christian values…It has become the greatest country in the world. This country has gone down the tubes since we’ve pulled religion out of schools. If you don’t like it, don’t complain to me when the temperature becomes too hot for you.

By Maria

January 18, 2006 08:14 PM | Link to this

What happened to Bible lessons in Sunday school? Maybe the Bible should be taught in a class on world mythologies. Now that would be appropriate. I am so glad my children are finshed with public school.

By Elijah

January 18, 2006 08:21 PM | Link to this

I propose a law mandating frontal lobotomies for anyone caught forcing their religion down my or my childrens’ throat. Pray to Jesus, teach your child(ren) about Jesus, love Jesus, hang velvet paintings of Jesus all over your home. I don’t care. But DON’T YOU DARE try to cram your evangelical, Bible-thumping, America-destroying crap in my face, or I’ll smote thee myself. Serenity now!

By gwenaelle

January 18, 2006 08:25 PM | Link to this

For people who just mentionned the coming of Jesus. If Jesus were to come to the US he would be arrested and sent to Guantanamo Prison Camp. Imagine: a young, single Palestinian man arriving in the US. He talked about overthrowing the government of his time. He gathered a group of followers who were so fanatic that they abandoned their families to follow him. Today he will be called a terrorist and sized by Immigration as soon as he would set foot on US soil !!!

By Bryan

January 18, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

This has to be the worst idea I’ve ever seen. Seperation of church and state. Have you heard of that one? Even if the bill is worded to make it so that teachers may not use the class to impart their personal views of religion on students it’s still a bad idea. What happens when some right-wing brainwashed christian students want to have a prayer before class?

By alisa

January 18, 2006 08:33 PM | Link to this

I think that is great because the way the kids are going today, we need to put CHRIST in everything we do. I think Jesus Christ should be taught in the schools, you have to teach them at a young age.

By l

January 18, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

Whatever happened to separation of sate and religion? Seems like some people need to brush up on their American History…ie The Constitution?

By Bill

January 18, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

Think how different things would be if lobsters or whales had written the Bible.

By Andy

January 18, 2006 08:47 PM | Link to this

Bill,

Everyone knows whales can’t write.

By Jo

January 18, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

The place children should learn about the Bible is in the home and in church where it can be explained in context of the faith your family is committed to.

By Sharon

January 18, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this

Why in cough God’s name is this necessary? There’s a church on every freakin’ corner in this state, if kids want to learn about the bible they have every opportunity in the world! Who is Golden trying to score points with? Oh wait, I already know….

It’s guys like Golden who consistently embarass those of us from SW Georgia.

By Steve

January 18, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

It is about time we teach our children something that will help them.

By Mark

January 18, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

This is purely a political play by the Democrats- they have no traction in this, an election year. So, what to do? Propose a bill that pins Republicans into a corner. Republicans support it? The Dems will say “look how well we work with them to get things done.” Not to mention appealing to moderate Republicans. Don’t support it? Anger the religious right in an election year. Can state and national politics get any more despicable?

By Eric

January 18, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

This is possibly the dumbest idea I have ever heard! YOU WANNA LEARN RELIGION-GO TO CHURCH! Hello, politicians-this just in…THERE ARE PEOPLE OTHER THAN CHRISTIANS IN GA! I cannot even believe how ridiculous this is. I know they don’t like to remember that people who GASP don’t believe in Jesus exist, but yes it’s true. This has NO place, NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in our schools! If this is ever enacted I hhope that someone in our corrupt government realizes this is extremely stupid. Not only is it stupid but it’s ILLEGAL! I CANNOT SPEAK STRONGLY ENOUGH AGAINST THIS! This is an embarassment to the entire state and the entire country. Way to feed the stereotype that people from Georgia are stupid. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea need to wake up. This is the United States! Freedom of Religion—-not let’s force Christianity down the throats of kids! Thankfully I have no kids in the backwards school system. Because if I did, and this ever was enacted, I would pull them out immediately! WHAT A JOKE!

By Kevin

January 18, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Job 40:2. How can you objectively study the Bible when most Christians believe the Bible is a “holy testament” without error? The study would be prejudiced from the start and allow preaching in the classroom. Who are you, O man to talk back to God? Romans 9:20. how do you question god if you don’t believe he exists? QUESTION: Would you allow another opinion such as Ken Smith’s KEN’S GUIDE TO THE BIBLE?

By Nogodinschool

January 18, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

I firmly believe in the separation of church and state. However, no one who is a serious student of literature can or should doubt the importance of teaching the Bible as a literary work. It was the only piece of literature in Western civilization for centuries. Students’ failure to know the Bible severely handicaps their ability to read and appreciate literature. I understand this may be a backdoor way for religious folks to get their lessons in, but, done properly, it will give our students a chance to study one of the most important influences on English literature. With as many English majors as there are among my colleagues over here on the left, we should appreciate the legitimacy of the course. Just be vigilent that a Bible thumping teacher does not destroy the goodness in this idea.

By Kevin

January 18, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Any moderates or centrists who read this blog: I implore you! Please take note of the right wing nut jobs that you’re supporting when you blindly vote Republican because of some life-shattering issue like gay marriage. Case in point: read how many entries say something like, “Religion needs to be in everything”, or “We need to take this nation back to God.” Don’t you hear what they’re saying? It’s Puritanism they want. Nothing less. Don’t forget on election day.

By Kevin

January 18, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

Please take the tinfoil hat off Kevin. I’m concerned for your well being.

By NLE

January 18, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Wrong on so many levels I can’t begin to count them. If you want your children to know the Bible or the Torah or the Quran, then GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, OR TEMPLE EVERY SATURDAY OR PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY. School is for secular education. PERIOD!!! I go to church regularly as do my children, but I don’t want their education interrupted, as it already is daily in so many ways, by religious teaching that they can get at church. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

By Freedawg

January 18, 2006 09:55 PM | Link to this

Wow Janet your 800 years old< I hope you make it to your 90th decade.

I am a Christian but I believe this whole thing is a political move to show that Dems love God almost as much a abortion, redistribution of wealth, the ACLU, taxes, 2% return on retirement(social security), and ignorant poor people they can take advantage of and still get their votes.

Even the devil knows and can use the Bible….

By Fears The Misguided

January 18, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

First of all, let me state that, unequivocally, the Bible is one of the, if not the greatest, literary work ever penned. However, there is not one individual alive who can state with certainty as to whether it is a work of literary fiction of non-fiction, a tome with the power to take school children on an incredible trip through the past. But, having said that, is there no who is in agreement with me that our children, both at the state and national level, are falling hopelessly behind chldren of other nations and other cultures who understand that their future lies in solid, technologically-based education. Our state system in Georgia has been dummied down to a level that renders a goodly percentage of our children unable to advance themselves professionally as they make their way through life. Your God is not going to bestow a high paying job upon them, your God is not going to assist them in making the Dean’s list in college, and your God is not going to make their life easier simply by studying the Bible. That is why it is called “faith”, baselessly rooted in fear of a higher power and fear of retribution. I beg of you, kick the Bible out of public schools and institute infinitely tougher curricula that will lead our children on a path towards a satisfying and fulfilling life.

By scuse me

January 18, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this

But y’all missin one little point.

government sponsored religious instruction might be fine today but don’t it scare you just a bit to think what religion they might be pushing next week?

Give it up willingly now and you won’t have any say then.

By ck

January 18, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this

“Should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples, captivating and noble. In no book is there so good English, so pure and so elegant; and by teaching all the same book, they will speak alike, and the Bible will justly remain the standard of language as well as of faith.� Fisher Ames: Author of the First Amendment

By Read the bill

January 18, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

Senate Bill 437 It’s not teaching the Bible. It’s teaching about the Bible, so student might have a clue what Shakespeare, Martin Luther King and others were talking about.

By Ben

January 18, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

I’m a Christian raised in South Georgia in the early part of the last century. Learning about the bible is is important to Christians. It can also be important to non-Christians as it pertains to greats works of literature. However, bible study is best undertaken in church and sunday school for Christians and in college for those who wish to study it for its literary merits. Primary schools and high schools are not the place for bible study. It is too easy for well meaning teachers to cross the line between their beliefs or non-beliefs and confuse the bejabers out of immature students.

By Sharon

January 18, 2006 10:15 PM | Link to this

It’s a funny thing read the bill…..students have been learning those subjects for years without needing a concurrent bible course. Nice try though.

By Donnie Boy

January 18, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

Why this could be the start of something big! Just think (you can think, can’t you) should this ever become a reality would you suppose it would HURT them or perhaps HARM them? Truth, Logic, Faith, Love, my gosh, if there is a God we could be in for some pretty big “blessings.” If not, so what? Let’s keep them in the dark. Don’t tell em and let em think “they” are gods. Oh, but I tease. Folks, it don’t matter what we think. If you believe you came from slime, so be it. If you believe the Bible is false, prove it to yourself. It’s easy to not believe when you close your mind. Go ahead, prove you are right and God is wrong, I dare you. Do it! Just keep an open mind.

By Michael V

January 18, 2006 10:16 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, a bill that would ALLOW high schools to OFFER an ELECTIVE course on the Holy Bible. It would not REQUIRE any school to OFFER it. It would not REQUIRE any student to take it. IT WOULD BE AN ELECTIVE! I wish I had such a course available to me as a young man.

By ck

January 18, 2006 10:21 PM | Link to this

“Let the children…be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education. The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effectual means of extirpating [removing] Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools.” Benjamin Rush, The Father of American Medicine, and the Father of American Psychiatry

“The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty- - -” Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L.H. Butterfield, editor, Princeton: The American Philosophical Society, 1951, Vol. I p. 414, “To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools”, March 28, 1787

“It will be necessary to connect all these (academic) branches of education with regular instruction in the Christian religion.” Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, Philadelphia: Thomas & William Bradford, 1806, Ch. ‘Thoughts upon Female Education’ p. 82

By scuse me

January 18, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

I wish you had too michael. then maybe you’d recognize the danger being proposed in this legislation

By Here they go again

January 18, 2006 10:25 PM | Link to this

It is clearly a violation of the Constitution to single out the book of one particular religion for study in public classrooms. If you want to study the bible, do it at your religious institution.

Of course, both positive AND negative influences would have to be studied - such as its influence in motivating a particular religious group to feel so self-righteous that they think that American civil liberties for the rest of the population can be ignored in order to advance their own religious views.

By scuse me

January 18, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

This bill is not about education. Its merely an attempt to indoctrinate.

By RichardB

January 18, 2006 10:28 PM | Link to this

Stop blowing smoke. If you want the real story, follow the money trail. There has been serious de-funding of public education at the federal level, along with, more requirements for testing, testing ,testing. I get the feeling that some folks want public education to fail, folks that work in government, folks that ought to know that our founding fathers argued vehemently for a public education, so that americans would know when their elected officials are deceiving them.

By dooley

January 18, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

many of you people who think this is a good idea are pretty much idiots. in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, you can’t teach kids about God and “God’s world” and teach them to bring God back into their lives or whatever moronic comments were made supporting this. if you want your kids to learn this, then pony up, dig up that stack of one dollar bills you have buried behind the mobile home, and send them to a private school. but don’t force me to see my tax dollars spent on this nonsense.

if you’re talking about literary study of the bible, then that is (possibly) different, but leave God out of this.

By Terry

January 18, 2006 10:32 PM | Link to this

Teaching the Bible in public schools violates separation of church and state. Religion should be taught in private schools only. The proper course to teach as an elective in public schools should be on world religions because no one set of beliefs would stand out above the rest. It would give students a broader perspective on other peoples beliefs and hopefully learn tolerance and peace. I belong to a spiritual based non-denominational church. The U.S. and the rest of the world needs more of this teaching instead of the legalistic judgemental old world religions lead by radical religious zealots like James Dobson and Pat Robertson who are trying to rule the world.

By Opppressor, thy name is religion

January 18, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

If I’m not mistaken, there have been countless deities throughout the history of the world. So why is the Christian’s god not Ra, the Sun god, or perhaps Poseidon, god of the ocean. I submit that religion is nothing more than a tool to keep the masses, the undereducated working class and those unable to think for themselves oppressed, continuously grasping, searching and hoping for their god to come and bail them out of their own personal Hell, that which equates to their lives on this earth. Should something fail to work out as planned in these individuals’ lives, the pat answer is “It is God’s will”. How assinine it is to believe that there is a master puppeteer somewhere up there pulling the strings, jerking these people about. No one needs a god to tell them how to live their lives in a good and decent manner, that falls on the parents overwhelmingly. I do not want my taxpayer money going to some evangelical SOB preaching fire and brimstone from a teacher’s lectern. Keep your “godliness” out of the public schools and away from my children or I shall show you exactly what is the actual essence of Wrath.

By ck

January 18, 2006 10:35 PM | Link to this

Noah Webster (The father of public education in America)

He declared government was responsible to:

“Discipline our youth in early life in sound maxims of moral, political, and religious duties.”

“Education is useless without the Bible.”

“The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields.”

“God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has fumished all necessary rules to direct our conduct.”

“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed….No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”

By Another Mindless Lemming

January 18, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

Hey ck, do you not have an opinion, or have you spent the last hour searching for centuries old quotes to support the opinion you apparently were unable to articulate on you own?

By Here they go again

January 18, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this

Fortunately, people ignored Noah Webster’s misguided declarations. We should too.

By Nick

January 18, 2006 10:49 PM | Link to this

Having recently completed college-level literature courses, I can testify that the Bible, as a piece of literature, is indeed important. Rarely can you get through any serious work without stumbling upon some biblical allusion. Historically, the Bible is equally important.

I’m all for an elective class that informs students of some of the allegories and the historical significance of the Bible. The problem, however, is that the positive public reaction I have seen ignores the class’ intention and instead sees it as a way to put “God’s word” back into public schools.

The class must be a completely academic, non-devotional look at the Bible, and unfortunately the people in favor of this class want it to be something else. It’s a no-win situation; those for it won’t be satisfied because it isn’t designed to teach children to “accept” Jesus like they want. Those against the class won’t be satisfied because they’ll see it as the first step in doing away with the separation of church and state.

One last thing. Almost all colleges teach some introductory religion class. Somehow they manage to do so without incorporating a devotional teaching method. I can’t see that happening at the middle school or high school level, though, simply because of the maturity level of the students and the parental tendancies to interfere when their kid comes home complaining the teacher said something “untrue” about God.

By ck

January 18, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

Certainly I have an opinion, but I thought education was supposed to be based on the facts and not my or your opinion. These are the facts of our nation’s public education history.

Quite frankly I don’t want the public school teaching my kid about religion, but I think it’s sad that I have to feel that way.

The public schools should be for the 80% of Americans that would appreciate their child learning from the Bible, and the private schools should be for the 20% that wouldn’t.

Somehow we’ve gotten it turned around.

By Danny

January 18, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

Its amazing what some idiots will do to get votes. The immature characters who waste public time and money intrducing these type of bills that encourage religious division among a truly secular society should be banned from public office - forever.

By Here they go again

January 18, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

re: ck’s note

I would be happy to include my children in the 20% who attend ‘other’ publicly funded schools, in order to keep their education from being derailed by religious zealots who don’t understand the basic tenets of the Constitution. Evolution would be taught without warning stickers, and the bible would not be mentioned at all.

By cb

January 18, 2006 11:06 PM | Link to this

The government is not a Christian one. I would not trust their interpretation of God’s Word in schools.

By Kent

January 18, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

The bible and other beliefs about life should be taught in the home and not school. Parents in the country wants the easy why out, instead of being a parent THEY want to be their kids friend…be a PARENT and raise your child as YOU see fit and not by what THEY preceived to be the right thing…I do not want that burden on the teacher or any school district influence on my child and what my kids perceived to be rightous or christian….This is poor and foolish for the State of Georgia to have this kind of power over any kind in the state….Next thing you know we as Georgia residents we will have to all purchase a civil war flag…oh I’m sorry I mean a State flag

By Eric

January 18, 2006 11:17 PM | Link to this

I could not be happier that there are other people who are reading this who have a brain! My favorite was the person who said NOOOOO —thank you thank you! Elective or non elective…this is about politics 100%. I could not agree more that this is Democrats’ way of saying hey we love God too. And I am a BIG Democrat. But enough is enough. See what happens when we teach people that you should include religion into your every day thinking—we get an idiot like Bush! Because of this stupid way of thinking—that we must incorporate religion into our daily lives, we lose thousands of KIDS in Iraq, we pay almost $3 a gallon for gas and there is a bumbling idiot as the leader of the free world! Religion is for religious schools. It’s an awfully good diversion when someone has done something wrong-like Bush. Drugs, alcohol—it’s ok—he found God. WHATEVER! All the bible quotes in the world can’t make this situation right. There is no way in hell that this should EVER be even thought of again. Whoever came up with this idea should go back to their shack in the North Georgia woods and stay there for a while…because this is America and we surely don’t need to have anything forcerd down the throats of our children!

By Joe

January 18, 2006 11:19 PM | Link to this

I will be outraged if my tax dollars are used to pay for this curriculum in public schools. Schools in GA and in the US are behind schools all around the world, and to add an elective course of “biblical” teachings, rather than teaching actual acemdemics, is absurd. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and indeed this class is a voluntary elective, however the fact that this course could be available in a public setting where other beliefs will not be represented is insane. Take your bible to your church house and keep it there.

By Swangirl

January 18, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

I am a born-again Christian who also strongly supports the separation of church and state.

As others have pointed out, if you introduce a Bible class, it opens the gate for every other religious text out there. Do you really want to our already troubled public school system to take all of that on on as well?

Georgia’s graduation rate is becoming one of the worst in the country. Can we not take care of that “little” problem first before taking on religious education as well?

By Emcee

January 18, 2006 11:23 PM | Link to this

This is coming from the head of the Democratic Caucus. My entire reason for being a Democrat is to keep religious zealots out of the government. (That’s the only reason I tolerate the ever-more-troubling labor unions and pacifists.)

I am no longer a Georgia Democrat.

By Swangirl

January 18, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this

Oops!

Meant to say: Do you really want our already troubled public school system to take all of that on on as well?

By Swangirl

January 18, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

For the last time. Can you tell it’s late and my brain is fried?

Meant to say: Do you really want our already troubled public school system to take all of that on as well?

By Go Georgia Go

January 18, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

Excellent idea for many kids that are not exposed to Bible and TORAH true and values,are they going to learn something bad when they study the book of Proverbs,or the books of Esther,of the letter to the Romans???Georgia people are special and God Almighty is blessing Georgia in many ways,see how beautiful is your State,beautiful parks,trees,lakes,mountains,a lot of smiles that GOD put in your faces,God is watching over because so many people believe and trust in him,why not thank God the Almighty for protecting us from a major hurricane to touch Georgia in the last 100 years??Think about that,I live in Florida and we had 3 or 4 desasters each year and this is my last year here,soon I WILL BE A Georgia resident and enjoy living with a State blessed by God,why we dont guive God something back in appreciation,Georgia will be the first,many states will follow,results??Less crime,and more blessing to our country.GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE OF GEORGIA,WHAT A BEAUTIFUL STATE!!!

By Flibberdigibbit

January 18, 2006 11:28 PM | Link to this

Why not teach Scripture in our public schools? It seems kids these days are already speaking in unintelligible tongues!

By Here they go again

January 18, 2006 11:33 PM | Link to this

re: Go Georgia Go’s note

If Georgia has not had a major hurricane in the last 100 years, it is because of the same reason that Montana has not had one. It is not in a geographically favorable location vs the paths of the past strong hurricanes. It has nothing to do with any god playing chess with the lives of people from one state vs another.

By OooooK!

January 18, 2006 11:41 PM | Link to this

Hey GO GO Your response is the exact reason why this course should never be allowed. You believe that god made everything, the trees, the birds, etc etc, however that is your opinion and belief. However it is certainly not mine, nor is it shared by other countless numbers of Georgians and Americans. Biblical teachings should be kept in the home, and church, and not brought into the public school system to teach the up coming generations about this century’s belief of god. However I am not opposed to the teaching of biblical beliefs in a few hundred years when biblical teachings are taught side be side with the beliefs of ancient Egypt and what their concept of gods were at that time; they are both beliefs made by man to help explain purpose, these ideas all soon expire as time passes, and other beliefs will take shape. It’s simply human nature.

By Martha

January 19, 2006 12:19 AM | Link to this

I am in agreement with the idea. There might have to be some “things to be worked out” with curriculum and “getting” the best sources. I think it also helps to have a syllabus/guide for thought/questions. I have a Master of Divinity (degree) from a major seminary; and I feel any of the info that I acquired has helped me-being more informed about the world and its peoples but also acquiring truth, wisdom, philosophy and having a well-rounded education. We certainly need insight in this world for living more enlightened lives with a little more of the “golden rule.” Go for it! Positive, in my opinion.

By Go Georgia Go

January 19, 2006 12:42 AM | Link to this

To Here they go…note I just want to mention that the State or Georgia East Coast is more than 120 miles long,and important historical cities like Savannah,Brunswick,and other beautiful islands resorts are on the way of any major hurricane going to the Atlantic,remember what hurricane Hugo did to North Carolina years ago??And many more hurricanes touch North Caroline,South Caroline,Missisippi,Alabama,Texas,New Orleans,and Georgia is not in Montana or Idaho ,Georgia is in The South true or not??And is on the way of any major hurricane too!!And is one or two,the people of Georgia are very lucky or God is protecting us,I respect your opinion but I am in favor or number two,remember what Mr. Nagy the mayor of New Orleans said on M.L.K. day and you dont need to agree with that”God is mad at us”.God bless Georgia.

By mlh

January 19, 2006 01:43 AM | Link to this

I agree with one of the above posters. The Bible has definitely had an influence on literature, culture, etc. and and it should be taught that way. Additionally, other religious works that have had an impact on culture and literature, etc. should also be taught as well. In fact, I agree, and once proposed at a mock government camp, that a class regarding ALL religions should be taught in Public High Schools for the very reason that religions and religious documents have had such a strong effect on literature and culture that without an understanding and knowledge of those religions and religious documents you can not understand parts, if not all, of some literature and culture. I definitely support any Legislator who votes Yes for this bill to pass. I would also support any Legislator who would support a similiar bill asking that other religions and religious documents be taught in the same context. In fact, one of the most popular history classes taught at Georgia Tech is a class that studies 4 of the biggest religious movements in the United States - the Mormons, the Evanlegical movement, the New Age, and the Black Muslim movement. No one objected to that class, and in fact, the class was a much requested one that usually filled up!

By Roger Hagen

January 19, 2006 01:43 AM | Link to this

If you want to teach the Bible in public schools then they should also be required to teach the Koran, the Tora (sp?) and the religious traditions of the entire world. I have long been a proponent of teaching religion in schools, but ALL religions, not just yours or mine. You see this way, children would be able to see that the core beliefs have far more similiarities than differences. Maybe people would begin to question humanity’s historical use of religion to wage war and justify engaging in the organized killing of our fellow humans. So yes, let’s teach Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism and more to our children to teach them of our rich spiritual traditions as a species along with the abuse of those traditions by those in power to keep and hold power. Amen.

By JAY LOVE

January 19, 2006 01:45 AM | Link to this

I think you are opening a can of worms if ONLY a Christian based bible class is allowed. I could be Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, or whatever, and my interpretations of the Bible would be different. Also, there would need to be classes on ALL religious text. I am Christian and think that this is a BAD idea. Leave religion out of public schools… period. Seperation of church and state.

By Freedawg

January 19, 2006 01:49 AM | Link to this

Nagy is a boob who sounded like he was breaking out in old southern revival mode when he wanted a “chocolate New Orleans”, then couldn’t be more middle of the road, white bread choir boy when he issued his apology. He is in way over his head and should shut his excuse making mouth before everyone in America is convinced that he is as big an idiot as I believe he is.

Just more proof that there is no issue too big for the democrats to pander for a vote; not racism, eco-class warfare, entitlements, moral grandstanding on environmental issues regardless of our dependency on foreign energy (anybody got some caribou oil I can buy for less than 2.50 a gallon?), and certainly not God.

It strikes me as ironic (or scary) that the party of gay marriage and partial birth abortion now wants to teach the Bible to students in Georgia. I can hear the strategy now, “Ok let give them an elective Bible class, as long they don’t say the name of Jesus or ‘Under God’ then it will be ok>” Give me a break!!!

Should anyone be surprised that democrats also like the Christian votes as long as those Christians are willing close their eyes and take the hand of democratic leaders as they lead us down the road of moral degeneration? But don’t worry at least they will give our kids an elective in “nonsectarian, nonreligious academic studyâ€? of the Bible. Please………….

By Scott

January 19, 2006 02:18 AM | Link to this

Keep the bible out of public schools. It has no place.

By Sparkle

January 19, 2006 02:34 AM | Link to this

When will these wingnut hypocrites stop trying to subvert the constitution? Stop wasting the taxpayers resources on promoting your religion!

By Sparkle

January 19, 2006 02:39 AM | Link to this

I am sorry. I thought that only a Republican could come up with such a stupid idea. It just goes to show that neither party is trustworthy.

By candide

January 19, 2006 04:48 AM | Link to this

It would be great if the Bible were taught by qualified people who had studied the Bible from a scientific, scholarly perspective. But here in the Bible Belt all you will get is redneck preachers pushing their insane disinformation about the Bible. Better leave it alone!

By Steve Shelton

January 19, 2006 04:51 AM | Link to this

You folks (and you know who you are) can’t stand the “Truth”!

By Steve Shelton

January 19, 2006 05:06 AM | Link to this

Someone once said “Because you say,’I am rich,and and don’t need anything, don’t you know that you are a pathetic individual.”

By John Burningham

January 19, 2006 05:08 AM | Link to this

I am against the teaching of the Christian Bible in public schools unless it is part of a curriculum that allows the students to look at the great texts of ALL the religions in the world, with class time divided equally between all the books.

By jim

January 19, 2006 05:27 AM | Link to this

Which Bible?

Catholic?King James Version?Mormon?Living?etc.,

include new testament? what about our jewish brothers?

Gee perhaps this should be thought threw.

By Scubydo

January 19, 2006 05:27 AM | Link to this

Most people seem to be against it, but the ones who support it, think we need more God in our lives, which isn’t what the course is about - it’s supposed to teach biblical history, not morality.

By Geraldine Peters

January 19, 2006 05:37 AM | Link to this

There is nothing wrong with children being taught about God, Parents are supposed to teach them at home, but, since parents do not,they need to learn about God whereever they can, It certainly will not hurt them.Ihese teachings of God, will make them better citizens.It will teach them respect for parents,teachers, and all figures of authority, which they are not getting at home.Parents should stay out of church if they do not want their children to know God, a bunch of hypocrites is all I can say, the parents I mean.But, I suppose there are a bunch of hypocrites in Church.God said “love ye one another as I have loved you”, that is the problem no one loves anyone, parents do not love their own children today, that is why the children are running rampant today, killing homeless men etc.they have no guidance, no purpose in life, all they want is to get, and that is what they ar being taught at home.God also said spank children,or “beat the folly out of him”If one does not serve God, he will serve satan, but we all must serve one or the other.And from where I sit the children of today are doing the work of the devil, because they do not know their Creatof or Heavenly Father, many do not know their earthly father.They have had a heartless, illiterate upbringing.Getting to Know God, will not make the children of today any worse.God is love, wisdom comes from the Bible, the Word of God.The opponents of God must hate him due to the color of His skin, fine Brass.brass is not white. Now maybe people will understand the real truth , and we all know America’s stand on the color of one’s skin. Geri htruth

By Justice

January 19, 2006 06:44 AM | Link to this

Do you really believe that this will be taught in a non-devotional manner? In this state that will offend more voters than teaching it in a devotional manner. Rather than concentrating on divisive issues, why can’t true Christians carry out acts of faith by helping, and uniting people. WWJD?

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:47 AM | Link to this

There is precious little evidence that knowing about God (whatever that means, since by definition God is unknowable) improves morality or citizenship. There is a good deal of evidence that religioius obsessiveness leads to crime, hypocrisy, and intolerance.

By Wanda Scruggs

January 19, 2006 06:49 AM | Link to this

This would be a giant step toward the problems our children face at school.

By Jenni

January 19, 2006 06:49 AM | Link to this

This would be illegal. The only possible way this could even be considered is if they chose to include EVERY Holy book in the class as well.

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:51 AM | Link to this

Will this proposed bible class teach the following truths: 1. Christianity as we know it depends on rejecting the earliest followers of Jesus led by his brother James of Jerusalem and on accepting the hallucinations of Paul of Tarsus. 2. the New Testament Gospels do not give reliable information about the real Jesus but give only propaganda about a particular set of propositions which have no historical foundation. 3. the bible has been reedited many times and is not reliable about history. There is actually no archaeological evidence of Abraham, David, Moses, and much more of the old testament. 4. Christianity believes in a trinity which does not appear anywhere in the bible.

This is only the beginning.

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

Will this class teach other truths: like the fact that Islam and Judaism have a more accurate view of Jesus than Christian orthodoxy?

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:54 AM | Link to this

How many people in redneck Georgia are capable of discussing the Bible correctly? Probably you can count them on the fingers of two hands.

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:55 AM | Link to this

To tell the truth, I am probably the one person in Georgia who could do the job.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 06:56 AM | Link to this

Thomas Paine, Answers to Friends regarding The Age of Reason, Paris, May 12, 1797

“As I have now given you my reasons for believing that the Bible is not the Word of God, that it is a falsehood, I have a right to ask you your reasons for believing the contrary; but I know you can give me none, except that you were educated to believe the Bible; and as the Turks give the same reason for believing the Koran, it is evident that education makes all the difference, and that reason and truth have nothing to do in the case. You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each calls the other infidel. But leaving the prejudice of education out of the case, the unprejudiced truth is, that all are infidels who believe falsely of God, whether they draw their creed from the Bible, or from the Koran, from the Old Testament, or from the New.”

“It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No. Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don’t is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?”

By candide

January 19, 2006 06:56 AM | Link to this

The class text should be written by Prof. Bart Ehrman of the Univ. of North Carolina, author of “Misquoting Jesus.” He knows the truth. Will you crackers let him teach it?

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:00 AM | Link to this

Whenever we have school shootings or other episodes of violence in the US, those on the religious right trot out the same answer - it’s because we’ve “taken God out of our schools” or we’ve “banished God from the public square”. They presume, as the poll results above suggest, that Christianity and belief in God or in heaven or hell is the answer to our problems and the key to whether we have a violent or immoral society. Yet the poll results consistently show that Americans take Christianity and belief in God far more seriously than the rest of the Western world. Why then does the US have rates of murder, rape and other violent crimes that are more than double the average rates of those other nations? If lack of Christianity, or “taking God out of our schools”, has doomed America to a culture of violence, why hasn’t it done this to the third power in those nations whose rates of Christian belief are a fraction of ours?

By candide

January 19, 2006 07:01 AM | Link to this

Yes, Tom Paine understood about the Bible. See how we have fallen since the 18th Century.

So did Jefferson, Franklin, and most of the other founders. They were deists not Christians.

By Kendall Loper

January 19, 2006 07:01 AM | Link to this

Loosen up everybody! Does the phrase God is love mean anything to you? The word of God is the message of His plan for our lives, for our world. Let the kids decide for themselves what is good or bad. Like it or not-the Bible is the World’s best seller!

By candide

January 19, 2006 07:02 AM | Link to this

To tell you the truth, it would be morally better to burn the Bible than to teach it.

By candide

January 19, 2006 07:04 AM | Link to this

Loper: God doesn’t have any plan for our lives. As Voltaire wrote: “when the Sultan sends a ship to Egypt does he worry about the rats on board?”

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:08 AM | Link to this

It would be better to teach another religion other than christianity, people need to THINK and learn, learning and respecting another’s religion,one that comes from outside this county would be much more beneficial, you can get all the bible instruction you need at church. The bible is a book of myths, forced upon humanity by the roman catholic church, the same murderous horde that brought you the inquisition and witch burnings, scandals and child abuse. Keep religion out of schools and put it back in the church where it belongs.

By Kendall Loper

January 19, 2006 07:10 AM | Link to this

Hello Candide,

I don’t think we would know the meaning of morality without the Bible giving us The example of moral living: Christ

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:18 AM | Link to this

It’s funny, someone said you have to teach the bible at a young age, if you don’t indoctrinate children at a young age with the myth of the bible, no one would believe it, get them when they still believe in the easter bunny and santa…and what is there to teach in the bible? Christianity in a Nutshell In the beginning, the Biblegod created the universe. He gave everyone free will to act independently. Then he decided that acting independently of his will was a “sin”, something he can’t abide being in the presence of. So the Biblegod gave us free will but doesn’t want us to use it. The logic here makes my brain hurt so we won’t dwell on this point.

Anyway, so the Biblegod’s pretty upset about all this sin on earth. Then he came up with a brilliant solution. He sent himself down to earth to assume a human form named “Jesus”. He then arranged for himself to be sacrificed to himself. It was the only way he could convince himself to forgive all of us for being sinful.

For a while, the Biblegod’s avatar wasn’t sure about this mission that he sent himself on but then reminded himself, “Not my will but my will be done.” [Matt 26:31] Being on the cross was really painful. At one point, he was heard to say “Me, why have I forsaken me”. [Mark 15:34]

However, all the pain and suffering was worth it. If Biblegod hadn’t sacrificed himself to himself, he could never have convinced himself to forgive us and change a rule that he made in the first place. He made himself suffer and die on the cross in order that we might be saved from his own wrath.

I’m not sure exactly how bleeding on a cross makes everything better but the Biblegod works in strange ways. Perhaps its some sort of therapy for working through his anger management problems. Regardless, the he hasn’t firebombed any cities lately [Gen 19:24-25] or called for the rape and genocide of entire tribes [Num 31:14-18] since the days of the Old Testament, so let’s not argue with what apparently works.

Anyone who doesn’t accept the Biblegod’s unconditional love as demonstrated by his act of masochism on the cross shall be cast into a lake of fire to be tortured for all eternity [Mark 16:16]. Remember, the Biblegod loves you and doesn’t want to torture you for all eternity but you’ll make him do it if you don’t believe this outlandish tale. Glory to the Biblegod. Amen

By Peter

January 19, 2006 07:20 AM | Link to this

Leave Bible study to church venues and leave my school taxes out of it!!

By kat

January 19, 2006 07:20 AM | Link to this

Can Georgia public schools focus on teaching basic reading and writing, please? Talk about confusing the issues.

By Susan

January 19, 2006 07:24 AM | Link to this

I am a teacher and I’m sick to death of the politicizing of schools by people that should are trying to shove their agenda on us and the students. If a class like this is taught, it should be a Religion class, where all faiths are presented in an historical context. It should be an issue of knowing about things broader than just one religion.

By Kendall Loper

January 19, 2006 07:25 AM | Link to this

Hello Joel,

God loved you and I enough that no only did He create us to be free to make decisions and choices about whether or not we recognize Him as maker of all that is, but after our clear choice not to do the aforementioned He gave us a way to be reconciled and receive eternal life-His son, Christ Jesus. As you have very certainly educated yourself about God, you more than most, understand that we are free to choose. To choose to believe the Bible as truth or not. There is no hatred of you for that. Thank God there isn’t, or none of us would stand a chance.

By Bryan

January 19, 2006 07:27 AM | Link to this

I think this is a terrible idea. Our country was founded on separation between church and state. If they were to introduce this class I would not allow my children to take it. I would also hope that an aethiest would be the teacher in order to give a non biased opionion. What a joke!

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:29 AM | Link to this

As we all know, Georgia came in last in SAT scores, our teachers and schools are pathetic! How do you test someone about the bible, when there are so many contradictions and different answers? A better book to study would be an encyclopedia or dictionary, We need a WALL OF SEPARATION between religious nonsense and government.

By Rigo

January 19, 2006 07:32 AM | Link to this

It sounds good, but how would fairness be applied if other religions wish to introduce their teachings? With freedom of religion, how would we permit only a Christian based religion teached? I am a Christian and, personally, I dont think it would be a good idea.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:35 AM | Link to this

One last comment, the bible is a book of heresay, as jesus didn’t write it, nor god! Constantine the great saved the christian movement and used christianity and the bible as a political tool to control the masses. The romans included pagan rituals and ideas into christianity to have the pagans conform to their ideals. You can love god without the nonsense of the bible, as he can love you without it, all revealed religions are nonsense.

By rioco

January 19, 2006 07:37 AM | Link to this

Wow…Just take a minute and read the all the above responses. It’s no wonder our society is where it is. I do not think the Bible should be taught in the Public Schools. You have a option to send you children to private schools, but wow!…some of the above comments will really make you wonder where this society is heading.

By staci

January 19, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

Here’s the real problem … the evangelistic Christian groups are pushing too hard to force religion into the schools for me to feel comfortable with a class like this being offered. My kids are in a Fulton County school. In the past two years alone, we have had prayer in school; religious music in the lobby, gym, and classrooms; a nativity scene; field trips to The Polar Express; and Christmas trees. And I recently overheard Young Life leaders talking about their strategy to get into the middle schools by recruiting the teachers to influence the kids. These types of behaviors are unacceptable.

In theory, this class could be interesting. But wake up! This class cannot stand alone without Christianity being put into perspective with the rest of history. Will they include curriculum that explains that the Christian influence on our historical culture is so profound because for a very long time the religion was forced on so many people and cultures?

We have a population that includes many cultures and faiths. The class that should be offered first would be a class that educates our kids about ALL faiths. If the influence of religion on history is what you really want to study, you must first examine the history of faith, itself. It’s more important for the kids to know and appreciate the faiths of everyone sitting around them in school and in our society than it is for them to know the Bible’s influence on our world.

By Steve

January 19, 2006 07:39 AM | Link to this

No way! Let’s not forget separation of church and state. Leave the Bible teaching in the Churches (and the Koran, Torah, etc. in their respective places of worship). As an Agnostic, I do not want my tax dollars used to support any religion.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:41 AM | Link to this

Kendall,I respect your right to believe what you want, but please, don’t start telling me what your god thinks or believes about me, you are surely brainwashed, my god isn’t yahweh, god of the jews, nor yushua, otherwise known as jesus,the name jesus isn’t even a hebrew name. Your God can’t save me, my god gave me a brain to reason and to be logical, so I use that god given talent. faith is for fools!@

By Jeff

January 19, 2006 07:41 AM | Link to this

Does anyone here think it is strange that the Democrats are the latest ones proposing this? Mainly because they were the people who were fighting it earlier. The extremes people will go to to get a few votes.

It comes dowm to this, the founding fathers were christians, but they did not want it to influence the government like it had for so long in Europe. You could not do anything unless the Catholic Church agreed with you. To make that a reality they added seperation of church and state. They made sure that there would be no religion that was supported by the government. That ment nobody in the government may use their post to support any religion. No goverment money could be used to fund any religion.

If you want your kids to have a bible class send them to a private school funded by your money, oe even better make sure they go to bible study at your church. Public tax dollars should not be used to fund any kind of class supporting, or not, any form of religion.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 07:47 AM | Link to this

As for this legislation; I doubt it would pass the Lemon test, in that it could be construed as fostering “an excessive government entanglement with religion.” as well as “advances a particular religion (Christianity)AND inhibits other religions (all other)” In my opinion it will fail two fold.

And what a feeble attempt to justify. As an example, when Georgia students study the civil rights movement in the 11th grade, they might read Letter from a Birmingham Jail, where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. refers to Jesus, Paul and the Old Testament prophet Amos as “an extremist for justice.” When students are grounded in biblical references, they have a comprehensive understanding of what motivated and guided King. If they do not have that background knowledge, much of the meaning of the letter is lost.

The same could be said for studies about Ghandi and understanding his writings. Will the schools then provide classes on Akaranga Sutra and Kalpa Sutra, primary texts of Jainism, a Hindu religion so that one can grasp the meaning of his writings.

You know the answer to that question as well as I do. ———————-NOT!

And why not? Well because its not about education, its about government promoting christianity.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:49 AM | Link to this

Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Franklin, Paine were all Deists, they framed the constitution of this great country without the bible, they believed in the god of nature and the universe, so how could they manage to do all that without the bible, create the greatest nation on the planet, which gives everyone the right to believe what they believe, but that right should never include forcing their nonsense down other people’s throats, that’s why they left Europe and England, to get away from religious persecution and in tolerance.

By jesus

January 19, 2006 07:50 AM | Link to this

like my momma used to say. stupid is as stupid does. that is why my dad thought about intelligent design and then realized mankind was too dumb to cope. so, he opted for evolution…which is a form of unintelligent design that becomes intelligent over time…lots of time…billions and billions of years as my friend carl sagan used to say

how about a nice course about middle earth fantasy, instead. i wish the creator had made hobbits instead of southern baptists.

oh well..hindsight is 20-20.

gotta go…the pope is calling me and it’s time for a latte…

ciao

By BK

January 19, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

This is Bull. Just another way to try to slip Christianity into the schools. If they want to have a class on religion or Spirituality. Why not include the Muslems, the Jews, the Native Americans. Why single out one religion that has killed off or conquered everyone that didn’t believe in Christianity. A perspective on beliefs of the many different people of this great nation would be more in line with the so called “Word of God”.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 07:57 AM | Link to this

Oh heck, one more, the bible still can be a valuable book, if heating fuels continue to rise, we can all burn our bibles in the fire place for some needed heat!

By Louis

January 19, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this

I think that this is fair. If they can teach evolution, then they can teach the bible! Lets be fair! It is ultimately up to the child in which they believe. I dont think that it should be shoved down their throats, but offered.

By Dave

January 19, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

Will the Bibles have warning stickers in them saying that this is all a theory?

By Dignan

January 19, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

This is a terrible idea and I am a conservative evangelical Christian…

[http://lawnrangers.blogspot.com/2006/01/dignans-daily-review-forbes-edition.html]

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Oh, wait, I got it wrong, it’s not teaching the bible’s word, it’s teaching about the bible, you mean like how there is absolutely no proof about anything in it, hwow it contradicts itself, how it is filled with stories of rape, mass murder, incest and the like, heck, that may not be such a bad thing after all? That old testamant god was really grouchy, wiping out everyone on the planet because he didn’t make us perfect……

By BIB

January 19, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

WHAT IS CHURCH FOR? DOES THIS MEAN MORE SPENDING OF OUR TAX MONEY TO DEFEND THIS STUPID LAW. REMEMBER THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ISSUE IN BARROW ?WHAT A WASTE.

By Renee

January 19, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Well I think as long as it remains an elective, which means that it is up to the student whether or not they want to take it, then it is fine. That means for all those people out there that does not believe in God or does not believe that religion should be taught in schools will not have to take it. So they have no say in whether or not it is there. They just need to choose not to take the class.

By Dignan

January 19, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

This is a terrible idea and I am a conservative evangelical Christian.

http://lawnrangers.blogspot.com/2006/01/bible-classes-for-georgia-schools.html

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

LOUIS, would you have the schools teach all religions then? Otherwise, as you stated, it wouldn’t be fair, right? And evolution isn’t a religion, its science! A child cannot make a valid choice unless you offer all religious nonsense from all religions.

By Chris

January 19, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

I thought that by living in the USA we had freedom of religion. Unless the schools plan to study all religions I think it should be left out. Right now they want to have it as an elective. What happens when the schools want to make it manditory? Keep it out of the schools. If you want your child to learn about religion get involved with a church. If you dont like the way the schools are being managed then send your kids to private school.

By Carol

January 19, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

I don’t believe the a Bible class is appropriate in the public schools. Are the legislators are planning to allow other religious material to be studied? Religion is right not a requirement. However I don’t believe the school systems have the right to band students from wearing Christmas clothing unless they band all forms of clothing that suggests a religious background. Unfortunately that is not the case. This past Christmas several schools band any Christmas attire. We don’t need the legislators providing more fuel for the Christian “stamp out”. Instead the public should be focusing on freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Our children can’t read or write, do math problems, lowest SAT scores in the country, but let’s not worry about that, they could all get jobs as preachers, spreading the word…..

By jeremy

January 19, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

The Bible is an invaluablee resource even for philosophy teachers who may not believe in God. Even for secularists, it’s an important because of how it’s influenced history and thought through the years. But there should not just one Bible class. Any instruction on the Biblee should be included with a larger course on world religions. Anything else would be an infringement on the Constitution in my opinion.

By Doreen Palmer

January 19, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

It’s about time someone got smart. Taking God out of the schools was the worse thing that was ever done - just look at the chaos in the world today.

By Gene

January 19, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

What brilliant work by our state legislature! However, I have a proposal for our esteemed legislators to consider as an alternative. I propose that they create an elective to discuss the American Constitution. On the first day the teacher can lead the class in a discussion of how many times the words “Creator, God and Jesus” appear in the document. It will only take the one day because none of those words are in our nation-defining document. Isn’t it ironic that our alleged theocratic founding fathers who allegedly spent every waking moment reading the Bible and spouting scripture neglected to include any references to supernatural entities in the most important document in our nation’s history. Not a mention in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or any of the remaining 17 Amendments. There’s a reason for that. They were smart men and knew their history: Religion is the most divisive institution ever invented by humanity. Remember, our country was founded by Europeans escaping state-sponsored religion not by Europeans seeking to establish their own theocracy. It’s obvious that the sponsors of this hideous bill should have stayed awake in their civics class while they were in school.

By Rich P.

January 19, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

I think it is a great idea as long as included in the bill all religious history can be taught as it all influences our culture; a sort of comparative religions elective. Actually, if the argument is that you cannot properly understand our culture without learning about the Bible, then the Koran should be taught as it and Islam has at least the same amount of influence on our culture, and maybe more. For instance, the whole concept of nationhood came from Islam, also universities and colleges of higher learning, and, perhaps the only thing that we were taught in school, were it not for Islam we might have still been in the Dark Ages as it gave birth to the Renaissance. Now, especially, with modern day Islam having such an influence on our world, perhaps if we understood it better we would not be so quick to kill innocent Muslims nor would they kill us.

By kt1066

January 19, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

I had a biblical literacy class in a Cobb County high school, and it was very good. We didn’t study the Bible as a religious text, but as examples of poetry, novels, and so forth. It was also an elective. So this idea is not new, folks. It’s been done before without crumbling the wall of separation. It would be a good idea, too, for high schools to offer a world religions course and/or a comparative religions course. A religious text can be studied without taking it as a prescription for what you should do and believe.

By Stewart

January 19, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

I think that it is a good idea to introduce new materials for learning. However, it would be better if the course is taught from a sociological perspective and it would have to include all religious writing and beliefs. Don’t force feed muslim, jewish, buddist, satanist, wiccan or atheist kids the “Christian Bible” without presenting opposing opinions.

By Pat Fernety

January 19, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

I believe that it is an excellent idea. Anyone would benefit from reading and studying the Bible. More people should include it in their lives.

By Debbie Kerlin

January 19, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

I believe the Bible should be taught in School.Everyone should also study the book of Enoch.The Bible is a very big part of History.

By Scuse me

January 19, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Carol, I know you’re not brain-dead, but don’t you understand that Freedom from religion IS a form of freedom of religion.

Or freedom of religion only apply to that which you subscribe to?

By Donna

January 19, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

GREAT idea. Please make it happen.

Thanks

By Dale

January 19, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Whether it’s to teach the arts, history, politics, it doesn’t matter “how” the Holy Bible returns to our education system,to our children. It matters only that it “does”. Thank God He has not turned His back on this nation…yet. Wake up people.

By Mindie

January 19, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

I think this is a wonderful elective to offer in school.

By Frank McDowell

January 19, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

I cannot imagine Democrats proposing a bill that would allow Bible study.

This must be political to turn a blue state red.

By Catherine

January 19, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

Super idea! With everything going on in the world today, this positive may just help with our future generations. Please remember that this class is potentially being offered as an elective course, not every student is required to enroll.

By Scuse me

January 19, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Ms. Palmer—God never left our schools nor has prayer. As long as we have students that believe he is there and as long as we have tests—-prayers will be said.

By jesus

January 19, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

back from my latte with the pope.

maybe it’s not too late to replace the southern baptists ( pureset form of unintelligent design on my dad’s planet ) with some hobbits…my dad prefers middle earth to what we have now.

maybe an “elvolved” strain of the h5ni1 bird flu that is sensitive to religious non tolerant dna markers…

or, we could follow the bible and just label biology text books with the mark of the beast ( stickers warning about intelligent design )…oops, that has already been tried..

or , i could miraculously place the marks on the foreheads or a** ( can’t tell the which end is used for thinking in these people ) of the non tolerant born agains. The mark would say ” UN-intellignet design ” and that way these goofs could all recognize each other at the chic-filet drive throughs…the creator’s fast food- not open on sunday…on the 7th day, the creator did not enjoy fast food. it says so in the good book.

By Scuse me

January 19, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Some of you just don’t get it do you?

this is about Government supporting a particular religious belief. And a minority one at that world wide.

By g white

January 19, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

As a devout Christian, I say this is a terrible thing. Faith is a personal choice and experience. This will only bring in some so called teacher of theology that will break down the bible, and treat it like a novel in literature class. They are not going to teach GOD, they are going to tear down the very base of our beliefs and country. You should know this!! I went to a so called Baptist college, they did nothing but tear the belief system I had grown up with a part. It took me years to realize I was not religious, religion is man made. I had to realize I was a faith based, evangelistic Christian. This could not be taught in a class room where the teacher is not a believer in what they are teaching. Please fight this!! Please stop this!! This will only confuse our secular living children who believe that people on TV and in movies are actual heros and role models.

As for Carl,I pray for your ignorance and lack of knowledge!!

g white

By John

January 19, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

The problem with MOST of the posts I have read that favor this legislation is that they want the bible taught to “teach god’s word” to the kids. Folks, that’s not the point. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO “TEACH GOD’S WORD” IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. Anyone wanting this passed for that purpose is proposing an uncontitutional act and should be ashamed of themselves for forcing their beliefs on others.

If the bible is to be taught as a historical text, I believe that works of other religions should also be taught.

By Chris

January 19, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

In regards to Doreen’s statement. What if someone does not believe in your GOD?

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

Biggest problem here is that people confuse god with christianity(bible), many people believe in god,but we don’t believe in christianity, and unfortunately christians don’t recognize this, because most have been brainwashed as children, and they never question or think about anything other than what they have been taught. They don’t understand other people’s rights or tolerate their religions, therein is the problem. You want to quote god, quote god, but don’t throw in your jesus christ quotes. Will the schools allow Satanism, as that is a religion also. If you allow one, you must allow all, otherwise NONE! And some people may not believe in god at all, and that’s fine too, better to discuss all relgions, not one!

By Scuse me

January 19, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Frank, its an election year. Nothing the Democrats in Georgia do should surprise you.

By Leon

January 19, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

This is NOT a bright idea. Whose bible will be used to teach this class: the Catholic bible, the King James version, the Qu’ran, or some other version? Such a bill should never have been proposed, and, once proposed, should be soundly rejected. References used in literature could be explained when that literature is being taught or discussed. What a bad idea!

By Lee Folsom

January 19, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Ever noticed that the folks that are opposed to this are from metro? They are just upset because they cannot single handedly shut this idea down from inside of 285..

By Traci

January 19, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

In addition to teaching, feeding, babysitting, disciplining, and instilling self-esteem in children, now people want public schools to be responsible for instilling morals (and only one set, no less) in students? What, exactly, do Georgia parents do with their time besides whine?

By Ga. Parent

January 19, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Traci, we set around and dream up stupid legislation.

By John

January 19, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

This class had better be an elective. I don’t want my children’s heads filled with superstitions about a man who lives in the clouds and causes hurricanes just to smite sinners. My children will not be participating in this foolishness.

By CKH

January 19, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

This all depends on who teaches it, how it is interpreted, etc., etc. I believe this teaching belongs in the Churches; that way, each denomination can teach/learn their own interpretation. Such a complicated book!

By Traci

January 19, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

What really tickles me is that the same parents who are proponents of teaching the bible in public school get outraged when their offspring go off to college are exposed to the Qu’ran, Torah, Marxism, or any of the other religions and ideologies that are not demanded in the by-laws of their subdivisions.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Scientific American, September 1999 “Scientists and Religion in America” “Whereas 90% of the general population has a distinct belief in a personal god and a life after death, only 40% of scientists on the B.S. level favor this belief in religion and merely 10 % of those who are considered ‘eminent’ scientists believe in a personal god or in an afterlife.” Why this is blasphemous? You mean most of the highly educated people don’t believe in god, I wonder why? Then we’d have to assume that the uneducated ignorant folks are highly religious? It’s just a theory, but it seems to hold true, Georgia, highly christian believing state, lowest SAT scores? Hmmmm….

By Travis Peavy

January 19, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

TEACHING THE BIBLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THE BIBLE WAS USED TO SHAPE THE CONSTITUTION AND HAS CONSTANTLY REFFERED TO THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE U.S. NOT TO MENTION THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. IF THE LEGISLATION HAS ALLOWED A “THEORY” (a plan or scheme existing in mind only…webster dictionary)TO BE TAUGHT AS THE MEANS BY WHICH WE ARRIVED HERE HOW THEN CAN WE NOT ALLOW THE BIBLE TO BE TAUGHT? JUST THE HISTORICAL INFLUENCE ALONE IS REASON ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE BIBLE TO BE USED AS CURRICULUM. WHAT ARE THE LIBERALS AFRAID OF? ARE THEY AFRAID THEIR “THEORIES” WANT STAND UNDER SCRUTINY OF ANOTHER SCHOOL OF THOUGHT, CREATIONISM? I APPLAUD THE LEGISLATORS FOR PUTTING THIS ISSUE ON THE TABLE. I’M INTERESTED TO SEE HOE MANY LEGISLATORS ARE WILLING TO VOTE NO AND HAVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS KNOW HOW THEY REALLY FEEL HMMMM?

By JamesD

January 19, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

I did not have the opportunity to read the bible in school. I wish I did, I might not be in jail today. I wish I had learned the morals taught in the bible. I would have stoned my neighbor to death instead of shooting. If I learned to put my wife in her place like the bible tells me she might not of cheated on me with my neighbor.

The major problems is the world are caused my religion. All religions.

What we need are competent parents, teachers, and role models.

By Michael Sansom

January 19, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

It is about time! Anyone who says the Constitution bans this is lying. The constitution does NOT ban teaching the Bible. It bans government forced religion. So, teaching a religion is NOT a violation of the constitution. Persecuting you for not practicing a religion is. So, the persecution of Christians in the Congress IS a violation. I have studied the constitution for years.

By Glo

January 19, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Joel, great thinking…Age of Reason is my bible. I’m glad I have no children in public schools, but I would hate, hate, hate for my tax dollars to be wasted for this nonsense. Keep this idiotic thinking out of public schools.

By fd

January 19, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

It’s a great idea…it is an elective…an elective means one can take if they like or not!!!!!

By Sandra

January 19, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

This country was founded under God and I am tired of the other religions trying to get us out. God is the one who will prevail. /Go back to your own coun try. America, you started the aclu and you can get it out!!!!! I am 59 and was raised in school saying the Pledge of Alligence and said prayer BEFORE school even started. This country is doomed it it does not get back to GOD!!!!!

By Tom

January 19, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

An idea for a truely elective course:

Allow any/all type of religion classes offered at the schools by ‘people of the cloth,’ before and/or after the regular school day. Currently, the buildings stay open for at least an hour for the teachers, so there would be minimal additional cost to heat/cool their meeting room(s.) If it is a contention, the instructor could pay for this cost. No public funds involved; no grades; no tests. Anyone, not just students, wanting to attend may do so.

By Traci

January 19, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Ga. Parent, for being honest! Imagine how progressive society would be if you spent that time raising your children to be productive and worldly instead?

By Erin

January 19, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Part of me thinks it would be a great idea — after all, I’m an atheist today because I sat down and read every word of the Bible.

Part of me wonders why we’re worried about teaching the Bible and its influence on literature, when we should be teaching the Quran, and its influence on terrorism. Which one has more real-world use to a student today? But can you imagine the shrieks from the Christian zombies if we proposed a Quran course?

By REV PHILIP JOHNSON

January 19, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

I THINK AMERICA HAS FORGOTTEN THAT THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED UPON THE PRINCIPLES FROM THE BIBLE. STUDY YOUR HISTORY AND YOU WILL FIND THAT THE REASON PEOPLE CAME HERE FROM ENGLAND WAS BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS OPPRESSION. WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD, IT IS HEADED FOR DESTRUCTION. JUST TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU AND SEE THE MORAL DECAY OF THIS GREAT U.S.A. I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IN A HEARTBEAT. ALSO I WILL BE PRAYING FOR THE PASSAGE OF THIS BILL. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND RETURN US BACK TO YOU!

By Lenn Wood

January 19, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

I think it is about time the Bible was offered as an alternative to evolution.

By Rs

January 19, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Pick a church… go to the church… practice your faith… do not push your religion on others. Keep religion out of the schools and goverment.

By Joel

January 19, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Dear Travis, you need a history lesson, and you prove my point about not being educated, as everyone who has an education knows that this country was formed without any religion in mind. We all know the religious right believes in fantasy, I am not a liberal, I just believe in the constitution as it was written and the protections it serves to the people of the US, not just right wing loonies. WALL OF SEPARATION, publically funded schools are government paid with tax dollars, WALL OF SEPARATION, send you kids to privately funded school that you pay for!

By Ed

January 19, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Its about time they offer it. Why not they teach everything else.

By PAT

January 19, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

I THINK THAT THE BIBLE SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL, TIME IS CRITICAL NOW AND KIDS SHOULD BE TAUGHT THE BIBLE. NOTICE, WHEN THEY TOOK PRAYER OUT OF THE SCHOOL, EVERYTHING STARTED TO HAPPEN, EVEN IN OUR LIVES, IF WE DON’T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, THE ENEMY HAS A WAY OF COMING IN OUR MINDS, AND PEOPLE TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES AND OTHERS. BIBLE IS THE ROAD MAP OF OUR LIVES AND IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN SCHOOL, SO THAT THE KIDS WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON LIFE AND THINGS THAT GO ON IN THEIR LIVES. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE, DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON’T WANT IT. YOU HAVE LIVE YOUR LIFE, LET THE KIDS WHO DO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE HAVE THIER CHANCE. THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE AND SHALL SET YOU FREE. IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING IT, START, THE TIME IS NEAR AND THINGS ARE GOING TO GET HARDER. THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE AND CAN NOT LIE. EVERY KNEE IS GOING TO BOW, AND SAY LORD HAVE MERCY. WILL YOU BE THE ONE, WHO TAKE THIS AWAY FROM THE ONES WHO DO WANT IT. I PRAY YOUR ANSWER IS NO. GOD BLESS.

By calhoundawg

January 19, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Well, I have skipped to the bottom of the page because the drivel that some of you people write makes me sick to my stomach. Whatever it is that you’re scared of hasn’t gone away in two-thousand years and, unfortunately for you, is not going to. Let me explain (intellectually, for those of you who can keep up) two very simple and unrelated reasons why your infantile rhetoric doesn’t hold up. Firstly, the Bible is, in actuality, nothing more than a compilation of historical documents, eg. genealogy, poetry, correspondence, etc. It is also,in and of itself, an historical document without rival. It is the most widely published, widely distributed, and arguably, the most influential book in the history of the world! Be honest with yourselves - it is the people (namely Christians) that you people have the real problem with. Secondly, every civilization since recordable history has had some form of diety(ies), some type of priests, some beliefs in the “afterlife”, etc. Many also had a belief in (perhaps knowledge of) a “creator god” that sustained life as they knew it. These concepts are not uniquely Christian and did not begin with the Bible.
Me thinks that you people dost protest too much. Perhaps it’s the morals and values promulgated by the Bible that you find offensive. Get a clue, people. This is a Christian nation and was founded for the express purpose of the FREE exercise thereof. If you don’t want to participate - then don’t. You have that right. A voluntary club or group or elective class about the Bible in a public school (we are the public) does not take away a thing from you.Take a look around you and see what this pathetic mind-set has done to this country already. Feel good about yourselves?

By Lynn

January 19, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

I send my child to a private school because I want her to receive an education with Christian values as the core. If I sent her to a public school I would not be comfortable 1)that the instructor would be well-versed enough on The Bible to do an adequate job instructing my daughter and, 2)I do not want to her to be influenced by other religions. It is my job as a parent to guide my daughter with regard to her values, morals, and ethics and I want this to be Christian based. I am not stating that other religions/beliefs are not morally based, I simply do not want my government funded schools influencing my daughter’s religious identity.

By shel schlegman

January 19, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

How about first teaching GA students how to read. Then arithmatic, then grammer and throw in a little science. Then when they get smart let them think for themselves and decide which religion out of the many available suits their believes. Perhaps that is too difficult for GA legislators to comprehend because they are the by product of a GA education.

By King David

January 19, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

whats the difference between the Taliban and Fundamentalist Christians? NOTHING!!!!!!!!

By Mary Beth

January 19, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Intriguing as this idea is, with as many interpretations as there are religions, I don’t see how an “academic” study of the bible wouldn’t include discussion of meaning and validity. This does not belong in the classroom, but at home and at church. If this goes forward, I would support that all of the major religions should be represented in this “academic” forum.

By SARAH

January 19, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

OUR SCHOOLS OFFERING THE BIBLE AS AN ELECTIVE COURSE IS AN AWESOME IDEA!! I WOULD SUPPORT THIS BILL 100%. TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, REMEMBER THEY SAID ELECTIVE.

By LEE BUCK

January 19, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

I am all for it. Whys is it improper to learn about the bible? Any real student of almost any literary bent should know about the mostb wwidely read book of all times.

By Peachy Horne

January 19, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Teach” Living Religions of the World” and really give students a chance to understand the world beyond their own neighborhoods. It might do a great deal for world peace. Bible study alone in a public school creates more problems than it is worth,in my opinion.

By Bill

January 19, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Sens. Tim Golden of Valdosta, Doug Stoner of Smyrna and Kasim Reed of Atlanta are out courting votes from the religous right. Let’s remember this at election time or maybe we can impeach them now.

By Trudy

January 19, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

There is not enough reading, writing, arithmetic and history being taught now. There is no need to teach the Bible in public schools by teachers who have different interpretations of it. Again the Democrats are not focusing on that for which they were elected to do.

By Kira

January 19, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

It seems that a religion class would be more effective and teach more about acceptance and embracing others’ beliefs. Why teach only the Bible? There are a heck of a lot other religions out there that may deserve a look.

By PE

January 19, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

The Bible should be taught in church. I agree with the many other posters here who ask “why just the bible?” If you teach one, you must teach them all. We don’t just teach “American” history in history class. We don’t just teach “English” math in math class. Why would we presume to just teach Christianity in religion class? The Constitution keeps these issues seperate for a reason people.

By James

January 19, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

This a lame attempt of the flying without a net Democrats to try to salvage their out-of-touch-with-the-people party to stop the downward spiral they’re on. I mean come on, unless you live in section 8 housing in SW Atlanta, would your really support Cynthia McKinney? This is as poilitical as anything gets, and this bird won’t fly. The Democrats are a lost party with the likes of the stupiest mayor in history, Nagin and the biggest polictical ho the world has known, Hillary Clinton. There is no levels too low for Democrats to sink to now. My question is, how do you all crawl out from under rocks that are so low?

By Cindy

January 19, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

What ever happened to religious clubs on campus? We used to have Bible study groups that met before class. Those interested in our religion were welcome to attend. It was our responsibility as Christians to “witness” to others, to increase our numbers. (Funny, but our numbers never did increase.)

By Matt Williams

January 19, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

I agree with bringing the Bible into public schools only as a text of historical literature and looking at the social contex. The bill needs to bring it in as a survey of Western religion, including the Koran, the Torrah would be included as the Old Testament. As for Buddhism and Taoism, those could be included as Eastern religions. The students and teachers could not be allowed to prosteletize, but the context of religion is important to our history and cannot be ignored.

By Sandra French

January 19, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

I believe that the majority of readers making comments have missed out on an important issue here - It would be an ELECTIVE.

By Brandon

January 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

How can you sit here and read the stories on the front page of the newspaper and question rather or not we need religion in the schools. What we’ve got going now doesn’t seem to work at all, so why not try a different route. At the very least we should teach the ten commandments. If you feel as though we need to keep religion out of the schools, just go to any news website or pick up any paper you choose and read just the first page and that should be plenty. Children are not being taught right. They have no morals once so ever. This is a free country and any “visitor” to our country is offended by our beliefs, they have the right to hit the road.

By Robin J.

January 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

I think in this day and age, when we are bombarded with a plethura of negativity, racism, death, murder, drugs, and war, that offering a course like this for people who want to know the Bible better is but a small thing to ask.

By Lynn

January 19, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

The cynic in me is curious about the Democrat’s motive in raising this issue. Is it a ploy to make the conservative Republicans who are typically labeled as right wing, Bible beaters, take a stand so then the Democrats can sling mud given that any response to this question will create controversy and grand-standing? Of course it was Hillary Clinton in her race for the Senate when addressing a charitable group about solving the homeless problem in New York, stating that Mary and Joseph were homeless which is why Jesus was born in a stable…Little did she know that Mary and Joseph were on their way to pay TAXES, so perhaps Bible study in public schools is not such a bad idea…

By Syble

January 19, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

I think that this is a wonderful thing to teach as many children never see the inside of any kind of church and are not being taught the Bible at home these days.I think this is a good way to deter the kind of things that is happening in our schools today, like carring guns to school, date rapes and suicide threats at school. God willing this would be a way to reach many children who are in distress at home and give them a knowledge about God that they would otherwise never get at home and help them develope skills to depend on God for guidance in their lives. Thanks, keep up the good work Georgia. Syble

By LaVada

January 19, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Keep the bible and religion out of the public schools. If parents want their child/children to be involved with Religion or learn about the bible, that’s what the different churches, religions are for. Get back to the basic reading, writing, arithmatic, history, geography. Educate our children so they will be strong for generations to come.

By rich

January 19, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

I totally agree with with many of the comments. However, if you will think back alot of our problems in the schools started after we removed Christ from our schools.And please don’t say anything about your freedom, because as a Christian my freedom is taken away all the time… I know believe what you may, I’m a Christian and I have kids in school. I also won’t to make sure that whomever is teaching my child about the Bible knows the bible itself and not just about a religion.Religion is just that, and just because someone knows the Bible doesn’t mean that God lives within them. That comes from having a true relationship with God, and to beleive that he died on the cross for our sins. Rememeber knowing the Bible isn’t a bad thing, perhaps it will bring more morals into our childerns lives, because as you can see some are not getting it at home. So I must say Thank you to the ones who are trying to get this bill passed…Let’s try whatever we can to bring Christ back into the lives of our childern…After all he is the one who knows them best…

By johnny groover

January 19, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

I think it is being done for the wrong reasons however I think it is greatly needed. Look at what’s happening to the youth of our country.Morals are what our country needs and religon is where they come from.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

OMG, How many times do some of you have to be told.

Children CAN PRAY in School, prayer has NOT been taken out of the schools!! Do I need to cap this entire message for you to understand?

And have any of y’all ever heard of EARLY RELEASE? This is a program where students are released from school early to attend a class,that they get credit for, at a sponsoring church to do religious study. THIS PRACTICE ALREADY EXISTS IN THE LARGEST SCHOOL SYSTEM IN GA. We don’t need a law to say it can be taught in school we only need for YOU right wing nuts to get out of everyone elses lifes.

You can continue to spout your lies about prayer not being allowed in schools but repeating it a million times won’t make it so. Banning prayer in school would be unconstitutional. Banning prayer led by government employees is banned as it damn well should be.

By Andy M

January 19, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Again, the wisdom of our political leaders… And of course the lazy and stupid follow. Everyone is speaking of putting religion into schools to teach them moral values. I was taught that was a family responsibility and to be taught by a child’s parents. Think of it, do you want someone else teaching your children moral values and ethics. I was born and raised a Christian and do follows those values, but I was taught at home. My religious teachings were taught at a religious institution and enforced at home.

Someone here said that this country was founded on Christian values. True to a point… But our forefathers had the insight, from their own experiences, that government enforced religion was not a good thing. Why do you think they cam e to this country in the first place?

Remember the Crusades… A black eye for Christianity. But if you can’t remember your history, let’s deal with something more current. There are societies today that the government enforce religion. They enforced only one religion, and interpreted it their way. Then they flew a plane into a couple of buildings and killed thousands of people in the name of their religion. What next, are you folks promoting religion in schools going to start waving signs stating “Osama for Pres.”

The separation of church and state is what made this country great. It was our ancestors the enforced values, morals and ethics at home that made this country great. It was great minds that acted individually or collectively, without bias towards any one religion, that made this country great. The ability to practice religion freely and interpret it in your own way is what made this country great. Look at all the other countries that their governments revolve around religion and preach only one religion, are they as great as this country. THINK PEOPLE!!!!!!!

What our political leaders are doing is bringing up a sensitive subject to take your eyes off of the real problems and you fools are jumping on the bandwagon as it’s rolling down the hill with no breaks. This state is at the bottom of the list as far as education is concerned. Do you think that teaching religion is going to raise that? The roads are overcrowded, is teaching religion going to change that? Crimes are being committed by people that are younger and younger everyday, is teaching them religion in school going to change that? They didn’t even pay attention in math class, what makes you thing they will pay attention here? The schools are over crowded as it is, adding another class to teach is going to make that better?

By Dick

January 19, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

The Bible should be taught in school, not from a literature standpoint nor a history standpoint, but from the moral and ethical standpoint. Unfortunately, I see this as a political ploy—democrats see where they have been loosing many of the bible believing voters and are hoping this will appease them and bring them back to the flock (democratic party).

By John

January 19, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Yes, by all means offer a course in the bible. Let students really see what a meandering, contradictory, fairy tale those stories really are. Without some redneck “preacher man” shoving it down their throats, students will be free to really think about how ridiculous the bible is.

By T. Davis

January 19, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Anyone who is against this proposal obviously hasn’t gone to college. When I was in my undergrad, I had two different English classes that required, YES REQUIRED, us to read the Bible…at a public Georgia regional university. So clearly, if the Bible is good enough for standard curriculum in the University System of Georgia, I certainly think it should be curriculum (albeit elective) in high schools, so our future college students can be adequately prepared for university academics. We learn about the Crusades in high school, and this subject matter is covered in college history classes, so why should we penalize our high school students from learning about the Bible, yet another subject that is covered in college English classes? We do want our high school grads to be prepared for college, don’t we?

By Ken R.

January 19, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

I think it is healthy for a society to debate these issues. We allow so many views to be taught in the schools, there should not be a problem with teaching about the bible. All philosphies can be taught in a none sectarian manner. Besides, a little love thy neighbour as thyself would be great in any society.

One more thought, the people who love a secular society, have you ever looked at so the called “great ones”. Consider communist countries: N. Korea, China, Cuba, and Vietnam. (Communism continues to exist). These are secular and totalitarian. You must fellow the party line or you will be in big trouble. It these athesist states were so wonderful, why do people want to leave them? The answer is simple, FREEDOM. And this is only found in societies that were and are influenced by the Judeo-Christian ethic.

By A Transplant....

January 19, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Separation of Church and State….in the PUBLIC Schools….I WILL NOT have MY TAX money going to fund education of the Bible in the Public Schools….I am a product of the Public Schools system, and do believe in God BUT also DO believe in what the founding fathers KNEW to be true…SEPARATION of Religious Views and Political Views is How the USA is going to survive….

By Bobbi

January 19, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Teaching the Bible in school is a wonderful idea, as long as schools also teach about ALL the versions of the Bible, as well as the Book of Mormon, the Talmud, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, the Koran, the writings of Lao Tsu, Hinduism, Atheism, Buddhism, Scientology and Secular Humanism.

We are a nation of immigrants, and the worlds greatest melting pot. Our schools are made up of children of ALL faiths and those of no faith. Schools that are supported by the taxes of ALL our citizens should never be in the business of sanctioning one faith above all others. That is the responsibility of parents and religious houses of worship. Our nation is a democracy, not a theocracy. Those of us who believe we would much prefer a theocracy need only look to Iran as a model.

By Leigh

January 19, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

What part of “separation of church and state” do these right-wing jesus freaks NOT understand? Can you imagine how they would react if a legislator tried to introduce an “elective” on the Torah or the Quran? The Bible ONLY belong in the church —NOT in the schools!

By Shirley

January 19, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

I think it is long overdue because the bible has played such an important role in the history and culture of this country.

By Sandy Owenby

January 19, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

As for me, I go with GOD and HIS Book taught in our schools. Our kids are taught about Hanukah and Qwanza already, but not about our Christian beliefs and traditions, which this country was founded upon. There is already “religion” taught in our schools, lets make it fair for all!

By Andrew

January 19, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Can of Worms?

Seperation of Church and State. Our forefathers knew what they were doing. You want to teach Faith/Religion? Go to Church, Temple, Mosque,,wherever. Each may choose his/her own beliefs. Do not mix oil and water. They don’t do well together. Look at Iraq, Iran, Jerusalem etc..Learn from History and we shall not repeat mistakes.

By Gale

January 19, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Religious education for children should be in the hands of and under the control of the parents —in the home or chosen religious institution. The Bible is only one of many important religious texts that provide valuable moral insight. However, comparative religion instruction should be reserved for post-adolescent instruction.

By JAMES

January 19, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU ARE A DOMOCRATE OR REPUBLICAN. THIS COUNTRY WAS BASED ON RELIGION. THE BASICS SHOULD BE TAUGHT SO THAT EVERY CHILD HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE HIS OR HER WAY OF LIFE. EVERYONE CHOOSES FOR HIMSELF, WHY THEN SHOULD WE TELL OUR CHILDREN THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE GOD IF THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. THE CLASS IS AN ELECTIVE NOT MANDITORY. THERE SHOULD BE A CLASS TAUGHT ON “HOW THE ATTORNYS HAVE SCREWED UP THIS COUNTRY”. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD BE AFFRAID OF AND NOT THE WORD OF GOD. GOD DOES NOT SET PRESIDENCE. HE GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE FROM “RIGHT” OR “WRONG”. ATTORNEYS HAVE PROVEN THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE RIGHTS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING OURS AWAY.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

A bit more for you ignorant of the law.

**But what of the right of students to pray at school? Many people are under the mistaken impression that the prohibition against government-imposed prayers applies to students as well. Just like other forms of student expression, student religious speech is protected. As the Court explains in Tinker v. Des Moines, “students do not shed their constitutional rights when they enter the school house gate.� These “constitutional rights� include a student’s right to pray alone or in groups, as long as they are not disruptive to the school environment. To prevent students from engaging in such non-disruptive activities would violate both their free exercise of religion and free-speech rights.

Although Supreme Court rulings clarify many school-prayer issues, some areas of contention still exist. The establishment clause prohibits school officials from promoting or leading students in prayer. The free-exercise and free-speech clauses protect a student’s right to engage in religious speech, including prayer. So what should happen when a student engages in religious speech during a school-sponsored activity? In the case of Santa Fe v. Doe, the Supreme Court explained that when a school retains control over the location, schedule, and content of the student’s message, that message carries the imprimatur of the school.

Lower courts follow this principle by examining the level of control the school exercises over the actual speech in question. In the 2001 case of Adler v. Duval, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that if schools use neutral criteria in selecting a student speaker and that speaker is given a truly open forum to say whatever he or she wishes, then the school is merely accommodating the student’s free-speech right. But if a school retains the right to review and modify a student’s comments, the courts often find the student’s speech attributable to the school. This was the result in the 9th Circuit case of Cole v. Oroville Union High School District in 2000.**

By jamie

January 19, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

There really isn’t a need for either party to legislate wheather or not Bible is taught in school. In any college campus you will find a course on WORLD RELIGION , the professors don’t teach on over the other. If it where taught more like a survey course instead it wouldn’t be considered an endorsement of one over the other.

By Pat

January 19, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

I think the morals of this country are terrible because we have taken religion out of schools. Where there is no religion, the country is barbaric. This country was founded on Christian principles, the Bible, not any other faith. Parents are not doing the job at home so let teachers give religious history, let them talk about the Bible and what Christianity means to a nation. Even if the Bible is taught from an incorrect personal perspective of the teacher, it will be far better than no teaching at all. Now that we have banned religion in so many places, the next generation may not have any interest in exploring their own faith. Each person should have the opportunity to know it is O.K. to study the Bible and decide for themselves what they believe.

By MJ

January 19, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Let’s all remember, the Bible is a work of fiction…….there is absolutely no proof of creation. I firmly believe in evolution and DO NOT want creationism crammed down anyone’s throats. Religion is a freedom some choose to get through life. They “give it up to God”, in other words, “I can’t handle what life has thrown my way, so I must put it all in God’s hands”. What a crock. Keep religion out of the public school system. Private schools teach religion, send your kid to private school if you want to to learn religion or attend the church of your choice.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

PAT, CAN YOU NOT READ?

RELIGION EXISTS AS DOES PRAYER.

STOP SPREADING A LIE!!

DOESN’T YOUR BIBLE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT LIEING???

By Sandy Owenby

January 19, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

There is ABSOLUTELY NO proof of EVOLUTION. I’ll pray for you!

By Carol

January 19, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

To Andrew, Gale and others:

What religion does communist China expouse?

Are they pluralistic?

They label Christianity and the Bible as ‘Western pornography’ and forbid any kind of open display of the Bible.

They isolate Christianity to the ‘back of the bus’ as you are suggesting that we do, and look at their country: religious oppression, inhumanity, torture and mind control. If you have more than one pregnancy they FORCE you to terminate it.

Have any of you thought that maybe these things go together? That maybe putting Christianity behind closed doors and not out in the open brings oppression and totalitarianism and NOT pluralism?

By Robert Bryant

January 19, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

I think it is a disgrace. To disguise religious studies as “history” is just as shameful as disguising religious studies as “science”. Give me a break. Our Senate smells like a Mega-Church fueling an already out-of-control culture war. Welcome to the South!

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Carol How about the hindu beliefs? Are they bad too?

By JIM F.

January 19, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

I agree that as a nation we need to all study the Bible and live by its’ truths. Is teaching the Bible in public schools the ansewer, I do not know. But one thing that I have suppected,and after reading all the comments given on this subject, am more sure of is that we are a nation that is denying the God that created us. It is truly amazing to me that educated people can not see the presence of God and how He is at work in this world. Read the Bible and then look at what is happening in the world. The Bible tells us about the things that are happening today thousands of years ago. One day Jesus will return. He will not be put in jail. He will take His children home with Him just as the Bible says he will. I know that a lot of you will read this and think how missguided I am. So be it. If I am wrong I have lost nothing. If you are wrong you have lost everything.

By Cheryl Mills

January 19, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

I think it’s a great idea for those who wish to learn about the Bible. There should be a special classroom for those who WISH to participate. If Muslims, Hindus, etc. wish the same privilege, then there should be a classroom set aside for those of foreign cultures and beliefs.

By JamesD

January 19, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

This county was not based on the Bible. It was just created my Christians. It was creationwas based on freedom of choice and personal rights. Do you think that if the Consitition was created my atheists it would have not contained any moral basis. The Bible contains example of morals, but so do Barney videos. The county is in decline becuse of bad parenting. Teach you children right from wrong. Ethics and morals are nothing but common scence.
The worlds biggest murders killed in the name of some god or another (even christians). Does any one remember the crusaids. Forthermore I don’t think it is the obligation for nonchristians to pay for the education of Christians. Take you children to church, They have weekend classes, Wed classes, retreats, camps, and youth groups. Is that not enough. Yes the classes are optional but the taxes that pay for the classes are not.

By David

January 19, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

WHERE IS THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THIS COUNTRY????? What Religion are they going to use in school? And why would that religion be right and all the other ones are wrong? If Religion is allowed in School, maybe the Churches should help pick up the tab. If I have to pay taxes for this…. I think the churches should do the same!!!!!! This is one way the teachers can get their raises that they DESERVE!!!! PLEASE KEEP RELIGION AT HOME OR CHURCH AND OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS!!!!

By JamesD

January 19, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Sorry posted before I was finnished. you get the idea. Bad grammer and all.

By gailjblack

January 19, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Praise the Lord!!!!!! it’s about time our government woke up to the fact that we need to guide our children in the right direction. God was in the beginning of our nation’s laws and our founding forefathers had enough sense to realize this. People today want to consider other religions—Well this country was founded on God not other beliefs. Why should we step back because we might offend someone with our Godly beliefs? I don’t care if other people want to worship another god — just don’t tell us we have to conform to their beliefs. I’m not offended by what they believe and they shouldn’t be offended because we are a Godly nation. If we go to another country they wouldn’t bow down to us trying to change their beliefs. Keep God and his teachings along with the 10 commandments in our schools and public buildings.

By tg

January 19, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

I do believe students should be given the choice to take this class as an elective. With the state that America is in and the actions of some of our youth, we need this course. In every aspect of our lives, GOD is needed, so why not dedicate a class on the history?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

How about Satinisim class, Cheryl? Maybe a wiccan class? Where do we stop? Who decides? Government?

Don’t you start to see a problem here?

By dcook

January 19, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

This would be turning in the right direction. What has been taken out can be put back in. If we turn to God he will heal our land and it does need healing. Why does it seem anything good can be taken away and replaced with bad?

By Sara

January 19, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Sandy Owenby you might want to revisit your school days again, there is indeed a lot of proof of evolution. Perhaps, not on any branches of your family tree, but indeed…it’s out there. After your prayer sessions end, pick up a book, read.

By J.A.Jones

January 19, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

To provide the bible as a elective course would provide a tool to instill moral values as well as guidelines for proper and successful relationhship. The bible is a book that teaches us how to have proper relationhships, with God, ourselves and with other. The bible would enable our children to seek alternative solutions to resolve conflict in their lives. To become proavtice instead of reactionary dealing with the social ills of our day. The teachings will provide a guide for life and for living intstilling a compass for life.

By Alexander Hanson

January 19, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

I think it is GREAT and it is about time this happens. I hope and Pray it spreads nationwide. It does surprise me Democrats have it in them after seeing what most Democrats have done else where.

By Alex

January 19, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Won’t the Jesus pimps and bible thumpers ever give up? They are determined to shove religion down every kids throat. Teach that crap to your own kids at home and in your own church!!!

My sky high property taxes are supposed to pay for teaching the three R’s and that can’t even be done effectively. I do not want my tax dollars paying for ANY religious propaganda. But to be fair, if it was, it should cover all the worlds religions. Lets start off with all the kiddies studying Satanism. For homework they can do some animal sacrifices and demon conjuring.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

You really want this skat? Well then support privatization of public schools so others have a choice.

By Carla

January 19, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

YES! I believe that putting any part of God back in schools is the best way to reintroduce what this country is based on, GOD and the BIBLE, back were it belongs. This will be a step foward for not only for Georgia. For those who oppose of teaching moral values and to love one another as the bible teaches, go put your child in a “private school”. We pay school taxes for our children to go to public school and they should teach what we won’t. Put it on the ballets and lets win one for GOD!!!!

By John

January 19, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Oh this is great. Because we all know finding a church in Georgia is next to impossible.

By Carol

January 19, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

to Jim:

The word ELECTIVE means “not required’.

That’s what makes this country so great: freedom to choose what you want to believe, hear, etc.

So are you saying that you want it so that other people are not allowed to even hear that there is such thing as a loving God who desires a relationship with us through His Son, and that there is hope for a future for young people outside of Hollywood and looking beautiful?

It sounds like that you want control of someone’s mind if you don’t allow them to hear all of the options and make an informed decision conerning their faith or lack thereof.

I call that religious oppression.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

God don’t need your help carla. Probibly dosn’t want it either.

By Dave

January 19, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

I am not for the government involvement in this type of class for it dilutes the power of the Word. I support the Christian Learning Center concept through Released Time Bible Education ( http://www.releasedtime.org/) where school systems (which include high schools in Gwinnett County, Walton County, Gilmer County, Gainesville, Habersham County, Fannin County, and Social Circle systems) allow students to leave school grounds and attend classes at a CLC. The CLC is completely funded through its own means, receiving no support from the state or local systems; but meeting educational guidelines of the state. Teaching the Word and providing an educational elective to those students desiring more knowledge of the Bible.

By Venessa

January 19, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

It’s long over due. We have strayed so far from God because of a few people who don’t believe,until it’s ridiculous. This country was founded and started on it’s religious beliefs by our forefathers. The only time we want to call on God or recognize him is when we’re in trouble. But if you can’t thank him, praise him and recognize him in to good times, why should He be there for you in a time of need. Who would, would you? Thank God he is a merciful God and a forgiving God. Yes, I say teach the BIBLE in school and anywhere else the opportunity presents itself.

By Dan

January 19, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

NO, this is a terrible idea. Remember that document called the CONSTITUTION? No religion in public schools. Period.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

You betcha carol.

People should have the right not to know as well as to decide if they want to pay for someone elses indoctrination. THATS FREEDOM!

By steve hall

January 19, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

I believe a “Religions of the World” course would be educational in the true sense of the word “education” because it would teach the belief systems of ALL of the different religions giving the student empathy for different faiths and allowing the student an enlightened choice of which faith suits him best or discover perhaps that he is not inclined towards any in particular. A Religions of the World course would naturally include the Bible, and if it was a full year course, it could focus in detail on each religion, including Christianity.

By Sara

January 19, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

How idealistic and naive to think the teaching of a so called elective relgious classes will stop the drugs, guns, crime and violence of our youth. Most kids will see this as an easy ‘elective’ class to take for an easy passing grade. There’s time in college to take these courses and be granted the open forum discussions that colleges are afforded where as high school studenst aren’t. If you’re that worried about the morals of your children, and since you as prents are putting these kids in society, you very well should be concerned, teach them values at home. This smells politically motivated to me, and an act of convience…much like all the people in prison ‘getting religion’….when you’re in a 10 by 8 cell, it’s not hard to find God is it. That God was there when you were raping and killing and robbing innocent people. Why didn’t you notice Him then?

By Carol

January 19, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Jim,

You need to move to China where they kill people who possess a Bible. It sounds like you would be right at home.

By Margaret Kilgore

January 19, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

What are the opponents of this bill so afraid of? Whether you like it or not, most of our laws are founded on biblical principles. Famous Old World paintings and literature depict biblical teachings, etc. Students should learn everything that they can learn. Censorship is dangerous. I have friends of many religions and thoroughtly enjoy learning about different religions.

Don’t teach students to close their mind on any subject. Let them learn the facts and decide for themselves. If the bill passes, and the Bible is taught objectively as a history book, it may enlighten some students to the fact that they may have been indoctrinated by some narrow-minded religion. Teach the children! Let them learn all that they can!

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Why is it that the right wingnuts believe freedom of religion means they have a right to force feed everyone else? Y’all are the largest group of intollarent, hate mongering people on earth. And all in the name of your god.

By T Davis

January 19, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Before anything, this conversation should be a scholarly talk, not a spiritual discussion. That isn’t what this subject is about. This is about curriculum in high schools, and the necessity of it. And it should be necessary as elective curriculum in public high schools. It is certainly curriculum in required classrooms in the University System of Georgia. Anyone who is against this proposal obviously hasn’t gone to college. When I was in my undergrad, I had two different English classes that required, YES REQUIRED, us to read the Bible…at a public Georgia regional university. So clearly, if the Bible is good enough for standard curriculum in the University System of Georgia, I certainly think it should be curriculum (albeit elective) in high schools, so our future college students can be adequately prepared for university academics. We learn about the Crusades in high school (yet another religious subject), and this subject matter is covered in college history classes, so why should we penalize our high school students from learning about the Bible, yet another subject that is covered in REGULAR college English classes? We do want our high school grads to be prepared for college, don’t we?

By Morel

January 19, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

I gave my life to Christ when I was 17. I have to come to love Jesus even more everyday.

As long as the course(s) remains a NON-MANDATORY electives, and students are NOT FORCED to take the class, and students who elect NOT to take the course are not ridiculed, or bullied (which would obviously be un-christian behavior) then fine create the courses.

Let’s remember the Lord gave us “free will” to make our own decisions, all the while knowing that we, as man, might make decision that were against his word. If God has enough confidence in his children to trust them with free will, and loves us in spite of our good/bad decision, we as brethen should afford each other the same courtesy.

I’m out :-)

“Love does not have to be reciprocated, for it to be true. Just ask God.” - my quote

By Carol

January 19, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Sara,

I pay taxes, too, believe it or not.

No one is trying to push anything on anyone.

It sounds like the other way around in here.

We HAVE to believe like you that this country is pluralistic, that it WAS NOT founded on Chritian principles or we are labeled bigots, nuts, etc.

We HAVE to believe like you that the Bible is harmful to kids, even as an elective.

As a taxpayer with full rights under the Constitution (all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights…life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), I choose to believe otherwise.

By Marl

January 19, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

No Way keep state and church seperate!!!!

By Kevin Harris

January 19, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

The class should be an elective in order to stay fair. The Bible says that you should not force Christianity on anyone. I would like it if more than just Christians would attend it, but I know that some people will not attend it because of their own religious beliefs. The Bible is an excellent source for learning morales and it can give fullfilment to people who are going through hard times. HEY, it can’t hurt.

By Judy Sobczynski

January 19, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

I think it’s a great idea. After all, it would be an “elective” and would not have to be taken by anyone who would object to this type of course. By the time students get to high school, they may be too old for bible study classes at church. Sure hope the atheists out there don’t get their hands on this. I would be a real shame. Our country relents to these types of groups way too much. We of a Christian persuasion don’t win out too much anymore.

By JamesD

January 19, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Someone answer this for me. With out the Bible would there be any Morals? Yes it is called common scene. Treat people how you want to be treated. We don’t need the Bible to teach people how to act. We need parents to be responsible for their children. If children lack morels it is not because bible courses are not available in school. It is because parents want the school to raise their children. 90% of the people who want these class added to the curriculum probable fall in to 2 categories. The first group are fanatics and believe Christianity is only religion in the world (every one else is stupid sheep). The second group needs to get off their butts take their children to church and discus the Bible with them. Teach them anything you want just don’t use my tax money. Religion is a choice not science.

By Pete

January 19, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

If they want to expand their minds, forget the bible and teach Buddhism, Hinduism, Agnosticism…The bible has generated enough probelms,hate and death for too many years and around the world already!

By Ron

January 19, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

I am old enough to remember starting the school day with prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. Since these have been removed we have in our schools: mass shootings, drugs, violent gangs, and pregnancy out of wedlock.

This has created a part of society who only cares about what they want and doesn’t care what harm comes to others.

Instead of calling something “Crazyâ€? (a nonproductive statement at best) maybe James should ACTUALLY read the Constitution. The Constitution says: â€?Congress shall pass no law restricting to expression of (religion)…â€? The Constitution DOES NOT have the words: “Seperation of Church and State.”

Or maybe view the video: “A Nation Adrift� to see why our forefathers based our Government on Christian faith. On the video you may learn an interesting fact in the founding of the ACLU.

Sounds like James has bought into the ACLU lies. Remember the ACLU helped remove prayer and Pledge of Allegiance from our schools. The ACLU supports NAMBLA (North American Men Boy Love Association).

James, may I suggest you read your Bible. Try Leviticus 18:22 and 20: 13 for starters. Maybe Call The 700 Club at (1-800-759-0700) or go to CBN.com for prayer and guidance.

Bringing a little of the Christian faith taught by our forefathers would only help in this society that is becoming secular. Our society needs religious more than ever.

Thank you for your time.

Ron “Let the words from my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy site O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.” Psalm 19:14

By Susan Pool

January 19, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

I can only HOPE this bill is a closer step in putting the Bible back in schools!!!! Those democrats ROCK!!! If you listen real close I’m SURE you can hear God say the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS ROCKS!! GO GEORGIA!

By Linda

January 19, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Bible classes in schools and we’re not even allowed to say Merry Christmas????? I see a lot of trouble brewing.

By Laurie Davis

January 19, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

It’s absolutely wonderful!!! There is power in God’s word and His truths can help hurting children. We need the morals and unselfish ways of the Bible taught to all children. I see so little respect for adults in children today, if the commandments were taught “To honor your mother and father” might actually happen. This would be a very positive change in the current school system.

By Venessa

January 19, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

We will teach Christianity via the Bible, King James Version, New King James, Standard, New International, etc. doesn’t matter. We live in America, founded on Christianty, that’s what we will teach. Go over to Japan, Indonesia, Korea, China, etc. What do they teach? Do they change their teaching because we move there? Adapting to everybody’s ways and changing our way of doing things to include everybody that moves here is why we are in some of the predicaments we are in now.

It’s and elective class, if you don’t want your children in it tell them not to take it. Schools were much better years ago when we acknowledged God in the morning with a prayer before starting our day. We need to go back to the basics. The farther away we get from acknowledging Him the worst of the country is becoming.

By Carol

January 19, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

GO Ron and Venessa!!!

By Joe Gound

January 19, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Why don’t the parents just send, or take, their kids to bible class in their perfered church. If they don’t have a church, they can find one, if they don’t want a church why would they be interested in bible classes in schools. Otherwise I defer to James’s comment at 7:14 this morning.

By Priscilla

January 19, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

The quality of education children receive in Georgia is just starting to improve. Learning how to read, write and solve problems, which would inlcude math and science should continue to be the focus of their education. Parents are responsible for a childs religious education which often includes a connection to their culture.
If we don’t allow students to say a prayer acknowleging a higher power, why are we so interested in teaching the bible? Sounds a little hypocritical to me.

By Walt

January 19, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Religion as a Human created social construct, belongs in a sociology class. Religion as a set of dogma taught to compell moral behavior, should be taught in a Theology course. Religion as a vital force in History, should be taught in a History course.

Is it so hard to treat religion as just another social force. It’s no more or less important than studying the morals, goverments, laws, and culture created by any society during human history.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Carol, that just proves my point. You know nothing about me yet you make a comment regarding my beliefs.

Just for the record, I am a born again Christian, own several Bibles and have read them extensively. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, and I try to live by his example. My relationship with God is VERY PERSONEL!

I just get tired of people attempting to force the rest of the world to believe as they do. Even Jesus himself refused to minister to non believers so what makes you more knowing than Christ?

My primary concerns lie with authorizing Government to dictate. Historically we all know governments change. What is to stop future governments then from doing an about face at a later date and dictating another doctrine be taught.

No Dear, Churches and homes are where we should be teaching our children.

By A Transplant

January 19, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

OH Please…. the education “system” is the broaden the minds of our youth..not to brainwash them into believing in 1 particular denomination vs. another. PUBLIC schools are NOT the forum for this! Any of you small minded Bible Thumping Religious Zealots are going to have a RUDE awakening…the is NOT the way Jesus wants his word to be taught….. Educate yourself

By Susan Pool

January 19, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

I’ve just read a bunch of ‘opinions’. For SOME I use that term LIGHTLY…more like ‘ignorant suggestions’. Sorry, Lord…they make it so easy!! Anyway of the RIGHT and RIGHTEOUS ones I’ve read….good for you and may God bless you a hundred fold. For the rest of you….God says, ‘Vengence is mine, saith the Lord’. Man…are YOU in trouble unless you repent. But HEY…thats just me and His Word. Don’t believe it? Lets see what happens!

By Maureen

January 19, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

I wish the Georgia Legislature would spend more time & effort worrying about teaching our kids the BASIC skills they need like reading, writing, math & science instead of constantly debating whether or not to teach religion & evolution in our public schools. Maybe then our standardized test scores would be higher!

By john

January 19, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

I would not care what kids were taught in schools if it were not for the fact that I’m forced to pay for the education of your mutant offspring. The parents who crank out units with reckless abandon should be billed directly for each unit they put into the school system.

We should do away with this educational welfare system. People who choose not to leave a trail of spawn wherever they go should not have to pay for the education of others. This hands out gimmie gimmie mentality is sickening. And for icing on the cake, the dullards don’t learn anyhow.

Who cares what they teach them if the parents are the only ones paying for it!!!

By JCC

January 19, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Do not spend one red cent of my tax money on creating public religious schools. This smacks of the sort of fundamentalism found in the theocratic, closed-door nations in the Middle East with whom we are now fighting a war. Because let’s face it, we would not be at war if it were not for religious differences. This is a dangerous path and if you want your children to receive religious teaching then send them to Sunday school and not our public schools.

By Robert

January 19, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

I very much disagree with this bible elective course be catagorized as history. Not everyone in our society agrees that it is a real history book - even historians agree that it is not a real history book. Students should not be mislead to believe that it is history.

I am okay with this being a general elective course. The course could include English lessons (how they wrote during that time period) and even religon lessons (as long as the students/parents understand this). However, no one should be mislead about it being history! Besides, there is alreay enough “history” for students to learn…. US history (revolutionary war, civil war, etc.), World history (WWW I, WWW II, etc.), and so on.

By Dave

January 19, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

I am for the ability of students to have the opportunity to study their religion as an elective. Therefore I support the Release Time Bible Education which establishes Christian Learning Centers and allows students to leave campus for these elective. This program is currently in use in Walton County, Gwinnett Count, Habersham County, Gilmer County, Gainesville, and Social Circle school systems. Plus there is no state or local school system funding for these programs. These programs must meet certain state standards for instructors and instruction. Support your local systems CLC or for information (http://www.releasedtimebible.org/ or http://www.releasedtime.org/)

By Kathleen

January 19, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

I would love to see the school system teach the Bible. There are a lot of homes where there is not a Bible and parents are not concerned about how their children live. When I was in school 35 years ago, we had prayer in school. Kids didn’t take guns or knives to school to settle arguements, they fought back with their fists. It saddens me that kids now think that the only way they can settle things is with guns. I can’t believe after all these years that it took ONLY ONE PERSON to take prayer out of school. Why is that? She was an athiest and didn’t believe in anything. It didn’t hurt anyone to have a prayer time or a time of quiet reflection. We had a choice whether we prayed or not. WE still have that choice. So, I say let the teachers teach a Bible course, who knows they might start something wonderful. Let the students decide whether they want to take the class or not. I would love to see a miracle happen in the lives of all students.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

One more time.

PRAYER HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM SCHOOLS.

And I don’t care how many time the lie is told or retold it won’t ever be so. KIDS CAN PRAY IN SCHOOL

By Debb

January 19, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

America was founded on Christian beliefs and our Constitution was shaped by these Judeo-Christian beliefs. To fully understand European and our own American culture and formation as a nation you must be able to study and understand how our nation was shaped by Christian beliefs.

However, based on the fact that it is now “Poltically Correct to bash Christians and Christian beliefs” I do not believe that the educators are up to the challenge of presenting this fairly and with an open-mind.

By Joyce

January 19, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

God’s Word will not return void. However and whenever it is read, it can speak to the soul of the reader and transform them. I usually do not agree with the Democratic position on issues, but this is worth supporting!

By Marcia

January 19, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

The Georgia Legislature needs to get serious about reducing class size so the teachers have time to cover required subjects in a way that truly LEAVES NO CHILD BEHIND. The recent attempts at improving Georgia’s national standing in education have resulted in strict timetables for subjects not allowing time for individual attention and jeopardizing students who might have difficulty grasping a concept. Students must keep up or get outside tutoring. It is a parent’s responsiblity and/or right, depending on point of view, to teach religion at home as they see fit.

By patty

January 19, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

I am so embarrassed, as a Democrat, by this stupid proposal. I honestly hope that this bill does not reflect the majority of Democrats in the Georgia legislature!!! I am a Christian, a teacher, and a Democrat, and I can think of much more worthwhile things needed in schools than a Bible course! I agree with others that say that if the Bible is taught as an academic course, then other religious books should also be taught—the Quran, the Torah, etc. Please tell me that this proposal was thought of in a moment of insanity, and that the Democrats aren’t sinking to the Republicans’ level in trying to get the religious right’s vote!!

By Dubberly in MS

January 19, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Jan 19,2006 I think it is a great idea, if you can get someone like the late Dr. R.C. Gresham of Moultrie as the instructor.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Patty would some of you educators please explain to these idiots that kids can and do pray at school. I don’t think they believe me.

By Lawrence

January 19, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

they should pass a bill to require competence in reading, writing and arithmetic. Keep the Bible classes in Sunday school!

By Jeffrey

January 19, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

I see no need to have students in public schools memorize verses or read entire books of the bible. However, to understand many events in history, one needs to understand the context. Thus from that stand point this might allow instructors to talk more freely in class without fear of reprisals.

By Jean

January 19, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

If they are going to teach the Bible in public schools, they should also teach other religions equivalent to the Bible. The schools that are sectarian such as the Roman Catholic schools should teach the Bible. Parents should teach their own children at home about the Bible.

By carol

January 19, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I cannot believe that “Christians” are saying “NO” to this idea! Our country was founded on Christian principles and there was a time when the Bible was the ONLY textbook! No, just because you teach about the Bible in public schools, does not mean that you have to teach other religions. Our country was founded on Christianity, NOT muslims, or hinduism, or any other religion. It is not wrong to teach school children what the heritage of their country is!

By Preacher MegaDollars

January 19, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

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By Sharon King

January 19, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

As this country was founded on the principles of God — and there is only one true God — it is my desire that our children learn the Word of God in every aspect of their lives. I believe when prayer was taken out of schools that it was a turning point for this country. It’s time we got back to what God intended for this country. If 96% of this country profess to believe in God, then there should be a majority who believe that God needs to be brought back into our schools. As this will be an elective, then it should have no bearing on someone who doesn’t believe in it or want to take it. I applaud our government for standing up for someone’s rights. In fact, this country began as a result of protecting the rights of others and freedom of religion. I for one will not be silenced when it comes to the one who protects this country. There is no doubt that when a tragedy takes place in this country that we cry out to God. As a single mother, I need all the help I can get raising my children to be upstanding, moral citizens of this country. I will definitely vote to get God back in the lives of children.

By teach

January 19, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Not a penny of my tax money better go towards this idiocy. Like we don’t have enough problems in Georgia with education.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Carol, NO this country was founded on the ideals of freedom —-not christianity.

By tonia

January 19, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Yeah Joyce !!! While reading the article that is exactly what came to mind ” God’s Word will not return void”…and it has stood the test of time and can withstand any assualt… It is for the good of the children…It will accomplish what it was sent to do…

By Daiwe

January 19, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

I thought that the bible was already taught - every week on Sunday.

By Bobbi

January 19, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Pat,

I must correct your misconception as to a lack of religion leading to barbarism. Let’s look at some of the countries that have a large agnostic or atheistic population:

Sweden is 46 - 85% non believers. Norway is 31 - 72% non believers Denmark is 43 - 80 % non believers Netherlands is 39 - 44% non believers Finland is 28 - 60% non believers Japan is 64 - 66% non believers What barbaric acts have your heard of from these countries lately?

In comparison, the United States is comprised of only 3 - 9% non believers, and has one of the largest Christian populations, and by ANYONE’S tally, we are one of the MOST violent nations on earth. We’re right near the top of the list when it comes to the number of murders, rapes, incest, pedophilia, and theft. Our prisons are full of “people of faith”.

And small wonder, when the God they look to for guidance teaches that when people turn away from God, here is the remedy:

“Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up” Hosea 13:16

And other wonderful practices LIKE SLAVERY that God commands, such as:

“Of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, OF THEM SHALL YE BUY, AND OF THEIR FAMILIES, and ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bondmen forever” Leviticus 25:44-46

God also tells us that it is perfectly okay to beat your slaves to death, because they are the same as your money, to do with as you will. Exodus 21:20, 21

Your bible also teaches that the women of your enemy may be captured, raped, and then tossed out into the street like trash! Read it for yourself in Deut. 20:10-11, 13-14

Again, God teaches how to deal with your enemy:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him (virgins) keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17

Did you ever break the Sabbath? Your God says you should be put to death for it! Exodus 31:14, 15

Lost your virginity before marriage? God says you should be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:20

The atrocities go on and on. Is it any wonder that a nation with a majority that looks to this book for guidance is one of the most violent on earth?

Come on now, Pat. Don’t all of the above fit the description of “barbarism”?

Bobbi

By Pat January 19, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

I think the morals of this country are terrible because we have taken religion out of schools. Where there is no religion, the country is barbaric.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Here’s a deal for you that want this course taught.

Y’all learn the true history of the principles upon which this nation was founded and then get back to me as to if you still advocate for this class.

By Gary

January 19, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Those believing that we were founded on Christian principles might rather check out the 1796-97 Treaty of Tripoli with the United States. In Article 11, it states:

“Art. 11.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

By Clyde

January 19, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

This is just another attempt to insert the Bible into public schools. I am a Christian who believes in separation of church and state. Keep the Bible out of the schools.

By Sharron Spence

January 19, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

I think this is an idea which is long overdue and it is in the best interests of our children who seem to be going astray with all the drugs and gangs they encounter. Notice that a lot of things predicted in the Bible are definitely coming true and unless we as Christians do something about it, these problems will continue to grow. Face it, this United States as we know it is in-fighting politically and we are headed in the wrong direction to make this nation a better place. I think we should begin listening to our ancestors who wrote the Constitution of the United States and on whose principles we were founded. The world would be a better place.

By Elizabeth

January 19, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

I believe the Bible is the greatest book ever written. I just as strongly believe in the separation of church and state. If a bible class is offered in our public school, I WILL PROTEST AND PICKET THE SCHOOL all day long, even as I send my young children to a bible study at my home or church. Public school is NO place for teaching religion!

By Ian

January 19, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

This bill appears to be another instance of the General Assembly racing to the depths of stirring up ideology during an election year. The Democrats have come to the realization that in today’s Georgia the only way to hold power is to prove to the electorate that they are the Most Christian Party rather than the Republicans. The frightening bit is not whether the Bible may be taught in historical perspective, which if done properly along with study of Greek and Roman philosophy is an essential part of understanding Western society, but that what the proposal indicates is the level at which Christian ideology is being exploited for politcal power. While this proposal leaves the seperation of church and state alone, it all but solidifies the relationship of church and politics in Georgia.

By Gary

January 19, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

But don’t take my word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TreatyofTripoli

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

DAMN!!!

WHEN DID RELIGION GET BOOTED OUT OF SCHOOLS?

Religious groups regularly use school buildings, Churches meet for praising God every sunday in schools across this nation.

Athletes pray regularly in schools, students meet at the flag pole, students meet at lunch to read their bibles and pray every day.

So When was it?

By MRC

January 19, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

I think it is a good idea. We can teach sex education in school so why not teach Bible education. If students don’t want to take then fine; they should not be made to take it. Everything else is being allowed in school so I don’t see why this objective point of view should not.

By Emma Weiman Stanford

January 19, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Religion courses of any sort belong at the college level. Religion before that time is the parents’ domain with their choice of what they desire, or not, for their children. It is appropriate for textbooks and student reports to name the dominant religons in world societies. Teaching only about the Bible smacks of pushing certain people’s beliefs. No religion course is appropriate in public funded schools.

By John

January 19, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Bobbi,

Certainly you don’t expect the Christians to read those bible verses? They ignore the ones that they don’t like. Besides, I’m sure they’re “taken out of context” or “misinterpretted” somehow.

The blinders are on…they’ll never figure out the truth that Christianity is about as accurate as Greek or Norse mythology.

By MRC

January 19, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

That’s crazy how I was taught about Catholic traditions in school, but now it’s stupid for the Bible to be taught in school? Get real people. If it’s an elective class, then that’s what it is…ELECTIVE. No one would be making students select that course. I think it’s a good idea. Teach all religions in school.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

AHH. TEACH ALL RELIGIONS.

But then thats not what this legislation is about now is it?

By Gary

January 19, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Even Webster’s Dictionary wouldn’t qualify “objective” in use with “religion”:

From Webster’s definition of “Objective”:

“expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations “

Given how many “interpretations” of the Bible are out there, this hardly qualifies as subjective whatsoever. Distortion of the Bible is rife amongst organized religions, as are prejudices, and of course the hundreds of interpretations out there.

Religion is anything but objective.

By Ryan

January 19, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

If the Bible is taught from a secular,non-devotional perspective it ought to be taught alongside the Koran, Torah, and the other major religions’ most sacred texts to give students a broad-based perspective on this planent’s five major religions.

Knowledge is power and I believe in empower our youth. Also, the studies will highlight the fact that Do Not Kill, Lie, Cheat or Steal are not unique to the Judeo-Christian religions as some seem to think.

By Logical Dude

January 19, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

I think the bill is EXTREMELY limited in scope. If they want to introduce religion, introduce ALL religion, and not just Christianity. THAT would make it worth the time. Have a quarter of the class on Judaism, a quarter on Christianity, a quarter on Islam, and a quarter on Eastern Religions. THAT type of education would be better for our students overall, and give them a better taste of how the world thinks, and how religion affects daily life, literature, art, and especially now, war.

By Gary

January 19, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

(I meant objective…not “subjective”.)

By free thought is good

January 19, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

As of my posting there are 309 entries on this blog. If it were about a legislative bill concerning transportation alternatives, environmental issues, ethics in government or any “real” issue this blog would probably have less than 20 posters. People in this state are known nationally for being intellectually lazy, yet we still want to dumb down the schools further. You people that think morality is defined by religious mythology are nothing more than sheep.

By Marie

January 19, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

What a great idea. Of course you can’t use the King James Bible, which is not a valid translation of the original sciptures, and you must remeber that Catholic children can only use a translation approved by the Catholic church. You would have to discuss the Council of Constantinople which set out the books which are “canonical.There could be no discussion of religion, inspiration, or veracity of the text only the influence of this document. In Georgia expecting an unbiased presentation of the Bible as literature is not realistic. And as for teachers, Jews, Catholics and Protestants need not apply.

By Larissa

January 19, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

First to Carl - Have you ever, by chance, read the Bible? In the same chapter in Ephesians 5 you referenced regarding wives submit yourselves to your husbands - it goes on to state: husbands love your wife as Christ so loved the church. Christ loved the church so much that he died for it. Is there any greater form of obedience or servanthood? Lastly, please let me clear up the ignorance surrounding this ‘separation of church and state’ issue. Separation of Church and State is not a part of the Constitution or any part of additions/amendments thereof. It was only referenced in a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the people. There is no law on separation of church and state.

By Laura

January 19, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

This is a great idea. Jesus is coming back soon!!! Thank you Georgia

By Anita

January 19, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

ALL I HAVE TO SAY, IS EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO HAVE RELIGION IN THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS YOU IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE OR FEEL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE IT TAKEN OUT. JUST LIKE YOU DON’T WANT IT THERE, I SAY TO YOU, DON’T LISTEN. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH (YOU) MEANING THE IDOTS THAT DON’T BELIEVE AND ARE RASING CHILDREN AND STUPID ADULTS THAT DON’T MIND OR HAVE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE OR ANYTHING! GOOD LUCK TO YOU BECAUSE ONE DAY YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!! I AM GLAD I WILL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE WATCHING YOU EDUCATED IDOTS PAYING FOR WHAT YOU DID HERE, WITH WHAT WE NOW CALL LIFE.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Case law my friend.

By Gary

January 19, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Larissa, the Treaty of Tripoli has also been used as a source in regards to the true intentions of the forefathers of this country; in this case, a neutral state unencumbered by the influence of religion.

I mean, you can’t get more blatant than Article 11. The President signed off on this with his own hand, as did our Senate at the time (1796-97).

By Len

January 19, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

The Bible should be taught because it is the major source of all Western Thought. I support this measure.

By Captn Sparrow

January 19, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

shakes head The bible is good Sci Fi =) but not part of school study. Has anyone gave note that the most closed minded people are always very churchy? Back stabbers too!

By candide

January 19, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Loper: pray tell, how did Jesus give us an example of moral living? By getting himself killed?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!

Y’all are making me a bit ill.

ANITA, when exactly was religion taken out of schools?

PLEASE GIVE ME A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THAT CLAIM

By Dumbfounded

January 19, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Anita, is your last name Bryant by any chance? Just curious. You fruitcakes have been saying the same rhetoric for som many years I’m truely amazed that it still retains any meaning for anyone. Jesus is coming. Not here yet? Ok now I’m sure of it. Jesus is coming real soon. The signs are all there. Not here yet? Ok, Jesus is coming. I can feel the rapture begining to happen. Oh. I’m still here. Ok. Now I’m sure I’ve got it. Jesus is coming. Darn. Now I’ve p** away my whole life chasing fairy tales and still no rapture. Oh, wait a minute, I need to say it enough times. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming.

By Mary Ann Hall

January 19, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

The bible and religion belongs in the home and in the churches, not in our public schools. Which bible do you teach if you put it in the schools? Which religion, or religions, are you supposed to be partial to? This is just another example of how totally stupid our legislators can be when they get to Atlanta and want to attract some attention to themselves. They don’t really care how they go about it.

By Marilyn Bennett

January 19, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Part of the reason the world is like it is today is because of two reasons, One, they took and are taking Religion (as we were taught in KJV) out of everything “God IS LOVE” not hate. second reason: OUR GOVERNMENT HAS ALLOWED EVERYONE TO FREELY ENTER INTO THE USA WITHOUT QUESTION. THEREFORE, WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THEIR KIND OF CRIMES AND MORE HATE AND RELIGIOUS GARBAGE THAT ISN’T IN GODS HOLY WORD. These people seem to have a Power over our young people and therefore our nation is falling away from Our Only God. Jesus loves RED-YELLOW-BLACK AND WHITE, WE ARE ALL PRECIOUS IN HIS SIGHT. Please by all means, make America the Majority again where we can Worship, Love, Laugh,Enjoy the fruits of our labor, and let me add one more thing. Martin Kings message to the world has made the WHITES a Minority. When is the government going to recognize that?
Yes: Death seems hard, but if you believe in God, You have Everything to gain and nothing to lose. Hell is also for Eternity. Oh My, Have you seen a major fire here on earth? it is Nothing compared to Hell. Be ready. He IS Coming. Thank You Georgia, Let you be our Leader and Strength.

By John

January 19, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

The problems in the world today are not due to the lack of religion but due to the fact that there are too many people wanting too many different things. A bible class is not going to change that.

By candide

January 19, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

God is love? Tell it to the millions over time who have been killed in the name of God: by Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and others.

By SD

January 19, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

The Constitution says NOTHING about separation of Church and state as so many left wing liberals think. It does say something about freedom to practice religion of your choice without fear of prosecution. Today Christian do feel prosecuted for the very foundation this country WAS FOUNDED ON! Just look at our wonderful government schools and what they turn out since there is no longer any discipline or moments of silence. Yeah – this country is defiantly going in the right direction…

No – we do not need a religious class in our schools today – it would cause so much controversy that it would not be worth the time or money.

By the way, when Jesus does return, it will not be as a man to live among us – but He will be back and He will deal with you!

By Debbie

January 19, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

I’m sitting here reading the various comments and am amazed on how many people are misinterpreting the intention of this bill. As I read it, the bible is meant to be used as a Literary Agent - not a means of quietly introducing religion into the public classroom. It is the most produced and most sold book in this country. Why not use it for it’s literary value? People are writing in saying which version will they use? Who cares? It’s not for a religious interpretation!!! When I was in school, we read Romeo and Juliet. That was to study the writings of Shakespeare - not to decide if we believed there really was a feud between the Monteques and the Capulets that was so intense it caused the death of their children - all in the name of love! It was for it’s LITERARY CONTENT! I am a Democrat and a Catholic. I think it’s a good idea they use this book for it’s literary context - providing they do just that. (But then, I think they should use Harry Potter books in the classrooms as well. But of course there are many that feel if our children read those books, they’ll really think there are schools for witches!!)

By susieq

January 19, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

I think what most are overlooking in this issue is the word “Elective.” There is no greater teaching of our history than the Bible, and it is America’s book. I am certain in other countries they have their own book of choice, but as culturally diverse as we may have become, we are still America, land of the free and home of the brave. I am so weary of those that continue to stand up and shout each time they think their rights are being infringed upon. If you don’t like it when I bow my head in a restaurant, don’t look! The class is an Elective; if you don’t want your child to take it, then don’t allow them to sign up for it. This what choie is all about and as it is now, there is no choice except for the nay-sayers who appear to win at ever turn. This is not a bill on whether or not to teach religion and it is not about religion, it is about history. For the nay-sayers to continue to stammer about religion, they are completely missing the issue. Go for it Georgia! There’s nothing wrong in standing up for what’s right and moving in the direction of a positive change.

By Marilyn

January 19, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

This is ridiculous! What bible are they going to use, e.g.? Why don’t they do what used to be done in NY when I was in elementary school: On Wednesdays, the kids were let out early to attend religious instruction at their churches/synagogues. That makes a lot more sense. Religion should be taught by parents and religious organizations — not public schools. Send your kids to church/synagogue-run schools if you want that kind of education. Good grief - get over it!

By Helen

January 19, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

This country was founded on freedom of religion. Yes, have a class on teaching the Bible. Those that want to attend, do so, those that don’t, stay away. If you don’t like it, ships and planes are leaving for other countries all the time. The freedom to make our own choices is being taken away slowly. At least give our children a chance to learn what parents are not teaching.

By John N.

January 19, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

What it really boils down to is the neo-con far right Christians are applauding this “validation” of their beliefs. They are obviously so weak in their true belief, that they have to go public so everyone can be in awe of how incredibly devout they are.

By Melinda Hammond

January 19, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Yes, give kids a choice to study the bible.

By jim

January 19, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Elective or not, I do NOT want my money being spent on this crap any more than I would want to pay for an elective of “The Joy Of Knitting”. Get the morons to learn the basics of math and reading at their proper grade level. The parents should be teaching their kids at home about the religions of the world.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Funny thing.

This will loose more votes for Democrats than what they’ll gain.

By Kim

January 19, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Ammendment I of the Contitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This being said, if one religion is to be studied, then ALL need to be studied. I believe Jesus was a very wise man … our saviour? No.

As far as the religion I and my family practice, I would prefer to keep it at home. That way I make sure that my children get the positives and negatives along the way. I don’t want fanatical close-minded children.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Melinda.

are you blonde?

Kids ALREADY HAVE THE CHOICE.

They don’t need it in a publicly funded setting where governement controls the learning.

By suzan

January 19, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

i am appalled at the suggestion of the Bible will be taught in public schools. There are many interpretations of the Bible, will they all teach the same? Or will the religious zealots take over and have us all believing in that disgraceful Pat Robertson? Children have two outlets to learn the Bible. Church, where it belongs, and home, where parent’s teach them the version they believe in. when a child grows up, they can interpret all they want. you say it is volunteer? just how long will it take all these bible thumpers in the bible belt to make it mandatory.

NO!!! I don’t think the bible should be taught in any school, at any time…unless you are in a religious school. that’s what they are there for.

in closing, Georgia Democrats are actually moderate Republicans in disquise. I am removing myself from the Democratic part and will vote strictly as an independent thinker.

To Carl Sears, i suppose you used a club to get any dates, becuase your way of thinking makes you extremely unattractive.

By katie

January 19, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

katie

I do not think it is the responsibility of the schools to teach your children about”God”, that is the parents responsibility. It is your job to teach your children to pray. It starts at home with you as an example , and your children will continue follow your example. Don’t worry about the voilence , if you believe God is protecting your children , he is. If you want this to be an elective in your schools you have a right to have it. For those whom do not want it , you don’t have to participate in this , the almight God and Jesus has never forced anyone to accept them, when they were here on earth with us, it was by choice and free will. I think it would be great, as long as the teacher is a believer , after all if he/she doesn’t beleive it , how can they teach it? Everyone be blessed.

By John N.

January 19, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

I guess this is proof positive that the religious right parents aren’t doing they’re job. I guess they feel it’s the school’s duty to teach their kids? Whatever happened to this good ol’ personal responsibility?

Oh, and I’d love to see the look on a Southern Baptist’s face when they hear the Bible class is being taught by a Mormon or Catholic teacher.

By BNTRUTH

January 19, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

We need to put God back in our schools. Everything and everyone has gotten so politically correct that we can’t enjoy the things we grew up with to make our country great! We have taken out god and allowed everything bad in and there just seems to be no balance. I think we should at least allow those who are interested to have an option to participate and if it is not your thing, do what makes you happy.

On the other side, I do understand that there is a big school of thought on the seperation of church and state. That is fine and I agree with that also. With so many different relgions, there is no one way to make everyone happy. But if we are really about choice, I think the option should be there. A non-denominational non-threatening option. It should not be forced to kids, but we do still have freedom of choice right? Why not have this choice?

By BNTRUTH

January 19, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

We need to put God back in our schools. Everything and everyone has gotten so politically correct that we can’t enjoy the things we grew up with to make our country great! We have taken out god and allowed everything bad in and there just seems to be no balance. I think we should at least allow those who are interested to have an option to participate and if it is not your thing, do what makes you happy.

On the other side, I do understand that there is a big school of thought on the seperation of church and state. That is fine and I agree with that also. With so many different religons, there is no one way to make everyone happy. But if we are really about choice, I think the option should be there. A non-denominational non-threatening option. It should not be forced to kids, but we do still have freedom of choice right? Why not have this choice?

By Heather

January 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

It is bad enough that Georgia schools already rank so poorly for SAT scores without our legislators further humiliating the state by introducing this boneheaded idea. And spare me the sentiment that Christians are somehow persecuted. The leaders of the Christian Coalition are not being hung on crosses. The leaders of the Family Research Council are not being stoned to death. The leaders of Focus on the Family are not being thrown to the lions. And the fact that the course may be elective does not mean that teaching it in our schools is appropriate. No one can deny that there’s already a lot of peer pressure in school, and those kids who take the class will likely put pressure on, as most “good” Christians (or people posting comments here), those kids who choose not to take the class. Anyone who thinks back on high school can easily imagine this scenario. Teaching the bible in church is more appropriate and truly elective. Moreover, how would this improve the state of Georgia’s poor schools? When I took the SATs, I don’t recall the bible as a subject any more than the Torah or Quran. Why can’t these fundamentalists just leave the rest of us alone?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

WHEN DID HE LEAVE, PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

By John N.

January 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

God HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOL!!! If you want your child to pray in school, they have every right, as long as they don’t coerce other students or interrupt the school day. They can pray and worship God all they want. Don’t put up straw men to make up for your own failings.

By Summer

January 19, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

I think that they schould. If no belives in it they dont half to take it. The class would bre there for a reason. I think the was crazy for taking it out for the first plaace. Look at the diffents that the schools are now then they were before when the bible was in school. Its there for a reason not just to p** people off. Thats what i think. I know everyone has there own apeans on it. Let people learn what they want to learn.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

This is beginning to become quite humorous.

Time and again I’ve challenged these liars to provide evidence that prayer, god and religion don’t exist in our schools and have yet to had a taker.

Could it just be they really don’t know any better or are they just lieing?

By Debbie

January 19, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry. I had to write in again. I just read ALL the responses, then I went back and re-read the actual article. Hello! Did any of you READ the article? Or did you simply read it’s title and make your own assumptions?? The article clearly states the bill being introduced is for children (young adults) in a high school environment to have the ability to ELECT to take a class that will study the Bible for it’s Literature, Art, Music, Culture and Political connections to American History. I don’t believe I saw the word “Religion” anywhere in that discription! So repeat after me folks - the word is BIBLE - B-I-B-L-E!!! NOT Religion!!!!! They really are two different things. The bible really is a “Book”. It really can be discussed for it’s contributions to today’s society in all of the above mentioned subjects. So for all of you people that are both pro or con on this subject, that continue to say don’t teach religion in the classroom or which version will they use or, on the other side, say things like I’m so glad they’ll be hearing the word of God, etc. GROW UP and for once look at things with acedemic context - not your religious opinion!

By Fred Hickey

January 19, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

YES YES YES

By candide

January 19, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

SD: thanks for threatening us with God’s vengeance. You Christers love to condemn and punish as if you were God. G******* you too!

By lonelybeatle

January 19, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

I graduated from a Georgia highschool in 1985. Bibles were referenced in our English literature classes then and probably still are now. You really can’t have an effective study of English literature without acknowledging the enormous influence on artists the Bible has exerted at least since the invention of the printing press and the emergence of the King James bible. Also, in highschool I took an excellent comparative religion course. It was very respectful of various belief systems. Granted, it could have been very different had a less sensitive and intelligent instructor been assigned the class, but as it was it was truly a positive experience. I think Bible studies, as long as it they are elective only, are fine. Let the kids decide for themselves what they want to study. The sort of comparative religion courses suggested by previous responders would be fine as well. Again, let the kids follow their own intellectual interests. Nor would I have a problem with electives on the Torah or Islam if there is sufficient student demand for such courses. I could envision a few curiosity seekers signing up for electives that do not address their own faith. It might increase understanding of one another and promote peace to have curious christian youth voluntarily taking classes on Islam and vice versa. I think we have entered into an age of panic. The mere offering of an elective will not destroy our constitution, irreparably harm society, or create religious war in the halls of our highschools. As a society, we need to take a deep breathe and calm down a bit… advice that applies to me as much as anyone else.

By Emily the Itgirl

January 19, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Hey Ross,

Go to another country, then, where they don’t allow freedom of religion, freedom of the speech, the right to a fair trial. Be my guest.

Hey Travis, Speaking of history…gee I thought our forefathers came here to ESCAPE the tyrany of the Church of England. Speaking of tyranny, which interpretation of the Bible should be taught? The one that says you should sacrifice a lamb and drink its blood? It says so in the Holy Bible. Get to it!

By Gina

January 19, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

We teach sex education in school, but the parents have the right to withdraw their children from the course if they prefer them not to take it. Why not offer the course as an elective as it has been suggested and if the parents don’t want their kids to take it, just don’t take it. Christians should have the rights too!

By Courtney Loveless

January 19, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Summer,

Maybe the schools should teach spelling and grammar for a change.

LOL!!

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

So now we should kill each other and drink the blood? That’s what you want taught?

By John N.

January 19, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Jim Dumond. They’re too ignorant to be liars. They just regurgitate without question whatever has been told to them. Sometimes I think it’d be neat to become a religious right minister and have my own army of mindless automatons to do my bidding.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

No Gina, christians have no RIGHT to provide religious indoctrination to their children at the expense of others.

By Debbie

January 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

To Lonelybeatle - Thanks. Yours was one of the few intelligent responses that I’ve read in this blog! You made some very interesting suggestions. Thanks again, Debbie

By Cindy

January 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

What a wonderful elective! In researching the history of the United States, we see what a major influence Christianity had on our founding fathers and citizens and the very basic laws and rules that make up our country. This country is still primarily Christian and having an elective that interests the majority is a refreshing addition.

By Tom

January 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

LOVE & RESPECT COURSES - YES ! ! ! … Single Book or Belief Courses/Religious Ruling Governments (Muslim, Christian or other) - Extremely Bad Idea:

I have dutifully read all of the comments so far from Wendy’s first posting to Ed’s at 8:58 am on 1-19-2005 and will continue to follow the discussion.

It seems that what we really need in our public schools are courses that deal with true LOVE & RESPECT for each other with specific diverse interpretations/orientations being respectfully discussed (each with right to lovingly disagree, but not to abuse another person or group - time outs to cool off in order). Regrettably, I have found very few teachers that could properly handle such a task without personal biases.

Doctrinal lessons need to be kept in individual places of worship, gatherings or other private locations (school clubs a possibility, if available equally to all religious beliefs - Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, etc) where two or more individuals of like mind try to find personal spiritual paths or meaning to this existence and/or before/beyond this existence … which when positively clarified can then be brought forward for respectful public discourse (a further clarifying process).

My personal spiritual search has found many diverse expressions of UNIVERSAL LOVE & TRUTH as well as expressed beliefs and practices that are diametrically opposed to the TRUE fundamentals of all supposedly positive religious paths (NOTE: most of which are blended interpretations of their’s with other faith’s doctrines & observances … i.e., Christmas developed from many adopted & blended religious traditions - esp. the Pagan Yule - since Jesus, aka/ given name at birth was Joshua bar Joseph ish Nazareth with his real historical birthdate being March 1, 7 BCE).

While size (# of believers - Christianity: 2.1 billion, Islam: 1.3 billion, Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion, Hinduism: 900 million, Chinese traditional religion: 394 million, Buddhism: 376 million, primal-indigenous: 300 million, African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million, Sikhism: 23 million, Juche: 19 million, Spiritism: 15 million, Judaism: 14 million, Baha’i: 7 million, Jainism: 4.2 million, Shinto: 4 million, Cao Dai: 4 million, Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million, Tenrikyo: 2 million, Neo-Paganism: 1 million, Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand, Rastafarianism: 600 thousand, Scientology: 500 thousand, etc.) doesn’t change Universal LOVE & TRUTH, it does increase the possibility of misinterpretations that harm others through power struggles and “MY WAY = ONLY WAY” advocates … rather than the application of the REAL POWER of LOVE & TRUTH espoused by most religious groups and applied by the most revered “way showers” historically.

So, courses that shares these many commonalities that all should agree with and would draw us closer together should be taught for the benefit of the public worldwide (because the other process now being used isn’t working … only causing death and destruction in the name of religion) … while also determining differences that can be respectfully discussed with the agreement that each individual has the right to retain their beliefs as long as no harm comes to others because of those beliefs.

We are seeing in this discussion & around the world that while our individual spiritual, religious, life philosophies can create great good in the world … they can also be used as harmful “clubs” to beat, abuse other loving individuals that may approach the same principles with different words, stories, practices & celebrations.

Throughout history and even today we see the pain/cruelty of religious, cultural and/or nationalistic misinterpretations … using those associations/doctrines as a “badge of belonging” to achieve negative power, wealth, etc that result in the opposite of what is meant to be done in their respective names.

Therefore, no one should be “ruled” by one person, one group, one religion or one doctrine, but by the positive, loving, balanced elements that flow from all faiths and from within each of us to others & back to us when filtered by an internal integrity that separates out the misinterpretations, hate, greed, malice, etc from our expressions & actions.

Love, Protect & Heal … NOT - Hate, Punish & Destroy …

May we all be blessed with LOVE & Healing for ourselves & for all of creation (on our Earth and elsewhere) as we deal with life issues.

By Sharon

January 19, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Bravo. Although it is not a topic of whether to teach religion or not, I think this is a step in the right direction for our world to survive.

Several years ago a person stood up and complained about God in our schools. Because it hurt his rights they took God out. In doing so they also took the following out of our public schools. Respect, morals, values, understanding and consideration. They took away the rights of the believer for the rights of the un-believer. Which is worse?

As I have stated over and over, it should not matter that a course is given or a prayer is spoken. Its every right as a individual to do so if they desire. The courses are electives. Put all of them back in the school. Get the parents permission for the children to take the courses if they desire.

The government allowed a few to take God and Honor out of our schools and you let something much worse in. It is well past time to right the wrongs done our children and school personnel. Give us back our constitutional right to have God with us every day and every place if we choose. The people who chose no in the first place can be excused or put ear plugs in or not take the class. Its their choice, but importantly is that their be a choice for all. Not just a small group.

By I can't let that one go

January 19, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

OK Gina,

But they need to offer an elective course on the Gay Lifestyle. Gays have rights, too.

Why not? Let’s just have a-la carte education and let parents enroll their kids in whatever they want.

By DC

January 19, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

My taxes are used for the instruction of evolution - in which I do not believe. Why is it wrong for those same taxes to be used instructing something that you do not believe? …We claim we want equality and open mindedness for all but what you want is only what you believe. What are you afraid of? Public school should offer everything and let the parents and children choose what ELECTIVE(s) they want.

By suzan

January 19, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

debbie, we understand your point, but the point is the instructors and how they are going to interpret the words of the Bible, and what religion are they likely to explain it to them. You have to admit there are alot of religious sealots here that will insist it is their calling to be sure he/she spreads the right word.

the bill may be meant to be the way you describe, but that doesn’t mean it will necessarily be followed in that matter.

By BlindHomer

January 19, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Not as history. At best it is grossly inaccurate historical fiction and should be taught, if at all, in English class along with the other fiction, like the much better works generally attributed to me.

By KC

January 19, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

I think a secular look at the Bible in an academic setting is firmly legal. Is it right or wrong? Neither, if the instruction is handled appropriately. Knowledge is neither good nor bad. Reading the Bible in and of itself isn’t enough to make someone a Christian, Jew or Muslim. The real question is going to be how these classes are handled. When one evangelical student signs up for the class and begins disrupting the teacher or other students by insisting the “Word” be referred to with proper reverance what does the teacher or the school administration or the parents of this student do about it? I think teaching this class in a public school is tantamount to suicide. My sister is a public school teacher, and a devout practicing Christian, who says she would quit teaching to avoid teaching this class. Not because of the prospective rules governing the course…she agrees that no religion should be tought in schools per se…but because she believes there can be nothing but controversy and conflict in a class such as this. I agree. So, once again, I think it is perfectly legal and acceptable to teach this class as proposed. However I believe the realities of instructing free thinking human beings would quickly turn this into a cauldron that no sane student or teacher would want to voluntarily dive into.

Hope everyone is having a peaceful day.

By shelly

January 19, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

At first this seems like a great idea, but then you have to look deeper. This is a subject that touches the very core of every human on this earth, so unless you are going to get an alien to teach this class, it will be next to impossible to teach this class without injecting personal beliefs. As we all know the Bible, in it’s true form, is highly subjective, and prone to many interpretations, hince religious segregation. Who among us would be able to answer questions about the meaning of difficult passages without injecting personal views ? We are after all only human.
Futher more what part of the Bible would be studied ? Not all the stories in the “Good Book” would be suitable reading if it were published in any other work. Just think our children could learn about sex, violence, incest, social drinking, class segregation, and the abuse of women. Are these not the very evils we are tring to discourage in them ?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Ok sharon,

Your turn.

When was God kicked out of school. please be specific

By believe in something or you'll fall for anything

January 19, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

What is everyone so afraid of? It appears to me by the comments made, most of you need to go back to school to learn how to use the correct spelling and grammar to begin with. What’s the harm in an ELECTIVE class that each parent can choose to allow their children to attend or not attend? I personally feel offended that we’ve allowed our children to be taught in our school system that they possibly may have evolved from an ape!!!! When prayer was allowed in schools, we did not have so many guns coming to school and shooting school faculty and kids up, the country’s crime rate was lower, and we didn’t have to be scared to allow our children out of our sight for fear of them being kidnapped, being murdered, raped, exploited, etc. It sounds to me like a lot of you out there are scared that we might actually get back to a know your neighbor, loving, friendly, peace-making society, if we allowed our children the CHOICE to take a Bible course in school! We do allow them to know about sex/family living in schools don’t we? Freedom to choose abortion, right? Each person should stand for something….or they will surely fall for ANYTHING…BE IT GOOD OR BAD. Personally, I’m all for prayer back in school….”I” feel that’s when this Nation took the downward spiral it’s on now….you’re entitled to your OWN opinion! One Nation Under God, In God we trust, etc….(isn’t that what oaths were based on, our money, etc)?

By SD

January 19, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Candide – Why would you take that as a threat if it means nothing to you? How could I threaten you? I have no idea who you are!

By high school teacher

January 19, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

As an English teacher, I like the idea of the Bible as an elective course. There are already elective courses in mythology…because it has infulenced the literature we study in school. No one attempts to sway young minds to worship Zeus and his entourage. The Bible is so pervasive in American and English literature that knowledge of it is essential to understanding literature. No one can argue the influence that The Bible has had on culture; you don’t have to believe in what it says to concede to that fact. Other great religious texts, such as The Torah or The Koran, though influential, have not influenced American and English literature like The Bible or Greek and Roman Mythology. The proposal of this course is not for exclusionary purposes; it’s to create a better understanding in the courses we already teach.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

ok believe in nothing sounds like you fell for anything.

When was prayer removed from schools?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Yo teach, do y’all still teach about Ghandi?

By David

January 19, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

I graduated in ‘04 from a Georgia high school and am currently at Georgia Tech. I personally think it is a great idea that the Bible is offered as an elective. One has to remember that if society tries to take religion out of schools, what is left? Basically Agnosticism is left, which by definition is a religious orientation of doubt. So regardless of what happens some form of religion is going to be there. To say that Christianity should not be in schools because it is religion is a self-defeating argument.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

John N.

I don’t think these folks even read the thread, they continue to jump in with the same lame lies or ignorance.

By Melllllll1

January 19, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

They already teach inaccurate American history. What makes us think they’re going to get the history of the bible correct?

By Lori

January 19, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Please put the Bible back in the schools. Our schools have been declining since the bible was taken out. Isn’t it obvious that our children have suffered enough? We were taught the bible in school, and the entire school environment was different. Let’s start bringing our bibles to school instead of guns. The current system is not working…

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

David, you are obviously capable of higher thought than many of these posters. So who wants to take religion out of the schools? Seems this is about people (politicans) attempting force a specific indoctrination into our schools.

By high school teacher

January 19, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Jim, I’m thinking as a lit teacher and not a history teacher. Yes, I believe that Ghandi is taught in World History, and in most history classes they cover the major religions of the world. I just referenced American and English lit because those are the two lit courses the majority of high schools in Georgia teach. Many also teach World Literature, and it that case, I think that the other texts of major religions should be studied as well. I say this as a Christian who thinks that everyone should learn about all religions for the sake of enlightenment. I personally believe what The Bible says, but I want to know what I don’t believe as well.

By Heather

January 19, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

High School English Teacher, the difference is that Greek and Roman mythology is more of a dead religion, and thus a moot point, while the controversy surrounding Christianity, again, as evidenced by the comments posted on this board, is not. Moreover, of all the areas of improvement needed in our schools, this shouldn’t be a priority or even an issue when our kids can’t pass basic subjects like math or english. And to all those people who don’t see the harm in an elective course, again, look at the nasty comments on this board, factor in peer pressure associated with high school, multiply that by the hundreds of students at issue, and well, you get my point.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

I really am getting tired of asking lori, but please somebody tell me when the bible, religion and prayer were removed from the schools

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

World lit?

Would that include places like India and writers like Ghandi? You really should consider introducing those materials.

By MORGAN-LLYNN LAMBERTH

January 19, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

joel and Candide know what they’re talkling about!For some dopey ierrantist babble readI DON’T HAVE ENOUGH FAITH TO BE AN ATHEISTON bIBLICAL inerrancy. Why would agod need homage?Insecurity.Science explains the cycles of the multiverse; explanation by a god adds nothing.

By David

January 19, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Jim, 1962: Removed class devotional prayer 1963: Removed class devotional Bible reading 1973: Removed right to life of unborn 1980: Removed Ten Commandments from school 1987: Rejected requiring teaching Creation alongside Evolution

By John N.

January 19, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Jim, you’re never going to get your answer. They’ll just keep regurgitating what they’ve been told over and over and over.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Lets set the record staright just once more.

Students can and do:

1)pray in school

2)carry and read a bible in school

3)pray in school

4)witness to their friends while on school property.

Y’all got that now?

By abc

January 19, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

jim dumond - I think everyone is TRYING to ignore you.

By MORGAN-LLYNN LAMBERTH

January 19, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Let Bobbie ,Candide andJoel have mu email address!

By high school teacher

January 19, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Good point Heather, but if we’re talking about how a work has influenced other works, as well as music, culture, and politics, then an elective course is a good idea. There are elective courses on Shakespeare as well. Jim, I can tell you that God is in my school every day. I might not be able to tell students to believe in Him or to go to church, but He is with me 24/7, and that includes the classroom.

By Supporter

January 19, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

I think it’s a great idea. It would significantly cut down on the school shootings. The devil worshippers can just ensure their children don’t take the class.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

David; What was removed was government involvement. read the post above to understand what dtudents can and do in regard to these issues.

By Roy McCreary

January 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Yes, this is the way to teach kids about THE prime source of philosophy and morals and literature, and with no walking on egg-shells either.

By Doug

January 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Ran, history does not come from “His story”, it comes from a Greek word for a learned man. You are wrong, and it’s unfortunate that you don’t want to be right.

I think this is a great idea. First, the influence of the Bible on our culture is undeniable. Second, if more people learned what Jesus actually taught, Republicans wouldn’t be able to win any elections.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

ABC—thats cause they must.

Seems like calling them liars would rile a few. but no—they are to intrenched in their own ignorance to be offended.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

I wrote this to the editor, but it belongs here too!

re: Bibles in schools

So, which bible will they teach from this time? The Old Testament (HOLY SCRIPTURES), the NEW Testament, the Koran or Buddhist Meditations and Prayers? Will they teach from the Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ or Jews for Jesus? Will they tell the truth or still hang on to the Jews killing Jesus?

What’s more important is teaching daily living skills, such as how to interview for a job or college; how to write a successful resume or scholarship paper; how to count money, how to tell time, how to shop wisely, how to dress for success. These are important life skills. You can’t go far without them.

Has anyone had the displeasure of dealing with a cashier who can’t count change back to you? They just toss the bills and coins in your outstretched palm while looking around for somene with whom to chat. Have you ever shopped in a store when the registers are down? Try to check out without the use of computers. They are lost! One grocery store in my town still owes me money because the girl could NOT count back change of $1.00. The managers were educated here, so they couldn’t count either. They argued with me, the customer instead. I don’t shop there anymore.

There is a social studies teacher in our middle school who uses the bible from which to preach, I mean to teach. He uses HIS bible, St. James. But, my kids didn’t study from that bible. So where did it leave them, but confused. We still have prayer around the flagpole Wednesday, a Christian School right next to the high school where kids can earn extra credit for graduation. If you’re not Christian you don’t have that opportunity. Every prayer at every event in this county ends with “in Jesus’ name we pray.” Hello? Jews don’t pray through Jesus. That’s biased and this is what your kids will be learning in public school. WATCH OUT PARENTS. Do not let this pass without a fight.

I was raised in a mixed neighborhood and we picked our friends on availability, honesty and integrity. If the kid lived next door, that was even better. We didn’t care if he/she went to religious school or prayed to Allah. We all went to each other’s churches, synagogues, mosques, whatever. We learned that way. We ate at each other’s homes, sampled different foods, heard different languages and we all got along. I still have friends I made in Kindergarten! We didn’t have to know that Shakespeare’s plays had religious undertones (did they?). How often will the kids use that in life? Probably never.

Teach what has to be taught, not what the parents should be teaching. Leave the morals and the bible at home where it belongs!

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

re: Bibles in schools

So, which bible will they teach from this time? The Old Testament (HOLY SCRIPTURES), the NEW Testament, the Koran or Buddhist Meditations and Prayers? Will they teach from the Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ or Jews for Jesus? Will they tell the truth or still hang on to the Jews killing Jesus?

What’s more important is teaching daily living skills, such as how to interview for a job or college; how to write a successful resume or scholarship paper; how to count money, how to tell time, how to shop wisely, how to dress for success. These are important life skills. You can’t go far without them.

Has anyone had the displeasure of dealing with a cashier who can’t count change back to you? They just toss the bills and coins in your outstretched palm while looking around for somene with whom to chat. Have you ever shopped in a store when the registers are down? Try to check out without the use of computers. They are lost! One grocery store in my town still owes me money because the girl could NOT count back change of $1.00. The managers were educated here, so they couldn’t count either. They argued with me, the customer instead. I don’t shop there anymore.

There is a social studies teacher in our middle school who uses the bible from which to preach, I mean to teach. He uses HIS bible, St. James. But, my kids didn’t study from that bible. So where did it leave them, but confused. We still have prayer around the flagpole Wednesday, a Christian School right next to the high school where kids can earn extra credit for graduation. If you’re not Christian you don’t have that opportunity. Every prayer at every event in this county ends with “in Jesus’ name we pray.” Hello? Jews don’t pray through Jesus. That’s biased and this is what your kids will be learning in public school. WATCH OUT PARENTS. Do not let this pass without a fight.

I was raised in a mixed neighborhood and we picked our friends on availability, honesty and integrity. If the kid lived next door, that was even better. We didn’t care if he/she went to religious school or prayed to Allah. We all went to each other’s churches, synagogues, mosques, whatever. We learned that way. We ate at each other’s homes, sampled different foods, heard different languages and we all got along. I still have friends I made in Kindergarten! We didn’t have to know that Shakespeare’s plays had religious undertones (did they?). How often will the kids use that in life? Probably never.

Teach what has to be taught, not what the parents should be teaching. Leave the morals and the bible at home where it belongs!

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Well said Lynn

By KC

January 19, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the class devotional prayers or class devotional Bible reading prior to the ‘60’s kept our country a “better place”. I seem to recall Whites only restrooms and lunch counters, women who were prevented by law from excercising their right to vote and the list goes on and on. It’s very easy to say “those evil Liberals took God out of school and the country went to hell” (no pun intended) rather than look at the myriad of causes for social ills that have racked this nation. I’m surely not here to debate that point at length. I, however, went to public school in the “no God” era and didn’t bring guns, do drugs or violate any other laws moral, Biblical or otherwise. If you believe the Bible will steer your child on the right course by all means spend time every morning and every evening reading and discussing your faith with your child. The public school system is not solely responsible for either the moral reinforcement or degredation of our young people. Ethics, and education, begin in the home. Drive into your church parking lot this Sunday and count the number of minivans and SUV’s with rear seat DVD systems and understand that parents today disconnect from their children. They just want them to shut up and leave them in peace. I don’t remember my public school teaching me this value. And I’d bet a lot of these parents and grandparents went to school before the mean old Liberals got rid of God. Putting prayer into schools won’t fix society…it won’t even begin to fix society. People please stop looking for some external cause or justification and start looking at the families to your left and right and wonder what kind of children they will produce. For the record, my son is educated by his parents whenever we are with him: we talk and sing in the car, read and play together, etc. You won’t find me using an electronic babysitter or pacifier to dumb down my child. Those aren’t religious decisions…they are good parenting choices.

I still hope you are all having a peaceful day. Forgive me if I seemed stern. I do believe, as I stated earlier, this proposed class is fine and legal and good. I just get a bit peaved when people try to blame all of our “problems” on no scripted prayer in school.

By Harvey Hollander

January 19, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

As long as it is taught as an elective and not a requirement this is a fabulous idea. Other religious teachings may come from this.

By animated43

January 19, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

If parents want their children to learn about the bible in a school setting then they need to pay to send their children to a religious learning institution. I believe in the separation of Church and State and do not want my tax dollars to got to pay for a “Christian” education, whatever that is.

By SD

January 19, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Lynn Lawson - that’s one of the major problems - NO morals in too many homes for anyone to teach the children. But that’s another blog… You all know this will never pass due to all the reasons stated above?

By Pete

January 19, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Could you also add writings on Buddhishm? Otherwise it would be disriminatory to teach only the bible.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

lol after reading some of the comments from people here, I think spelling should be required through 12th grade, not the bible.

My daughter just reminded me that because her middle school teacher (both my kids had the displeasure) taught so much from his bible, they failed to learn about any history after the Civil War. They didn’t even know about Pearl Harbor, folks. When the movie came out, they asked me - “was that real?” Kennedy and the Cuban crises - never made the class. But religion did. I just should have given my taxes to the churches instead of the county for schools.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

SD,

We can Pray. :)

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

OK, Ok, a spelling refresher wouldn’t hert. (grin)

By Alex

January 19, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

TERRIBLE IDEA!!! Bad Bad Bad! Are Dems trying to buy conservative votes? Put this idea down and back away,

By BlindHomer

January 19, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

David, see if Tech offers a good logic class. One that would point out the fallacy of using your chosen definition of agnosticism to try and make your argument, as well as your exclusion of atheism as another possibility. The issue here, as Jim Dumond keeps saying, is about government sanctioning of religion, which the Supreme Court has generally held to be unconstitutional. If taught as fiction that had tremendous influence on art, literaturs, and other fiction it would probably not be construed as sanctioning of religion.

By Anthony

January 19, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Upon initially reading this column, I thought, what’s the harm in teaching a course which stresses the Non-Sectarian attributes of the Holy Bible? First, the separation of Church & State would be upheld as the course would focus on the foundational principles for literature, law and our form of government. Concepts such as Faith, Hope, Trust, Salvation and the relevance of the Holy Bible in today’s society would be understandably omitted. Second, Educators and Administrators would be protected as the course would center around areas that they are most competent. It would stay far away from Creation, the Books of Moses, Prophets and Kings, the Birth of Jesus, the Apostles and the Revelation of the Return of the King. Third, children would be safe as this would be an elective course. The reading and study of God’s Word would be relegated to an optional subject that would at best be watered down to fit the course agenda.

So, what’s the harm in teaching such a course, in taking what is Holy and making it Secular? This would be equivalent to casting pearls before swine; placing unclean feet on Holy ground; and even taking the Name of the Lord in Vain. Upon second thought, the harm would be to the Word of God.

By Heather

January 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

High School Teacher, I appreciate your comments, but unfortunately, you’ve just highlighted one of my fears — that teachers may already, albeit unknowingly, insert their own religious viewpoint into classes that are currently in place in our public high schools. Given the controversy surrounding this issue, high school is not appropriate forum for a class on how Christianity has influenced other works. That’s a college level class or a subject for debate in forums like the home, church or even the internet. And Shakespeare didn’t incite holy wars or religious persecution. That is the difference. High School is hard enough and our schools are deficient enough without all of this.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Jim, thank you. This is a very touchy subject for me, living right smack the middle of it.

SD, but that’s not everyone’s problem. That’s the parents, and theirs before them. It’s not up to the public school educater who earns $10,000 a year to teach religion and morality.

If the parents can’t teach it and control their own kids, they should lose their parental rights. But that’s a different topic. :)

My children were never in trouble with the law, never stole anything, were never in trouble in school, graduated from college, one is a published author at 25 and one is serving in Iraq now after getting his degree. Both are honorable and I am very proud of their accomplishments. Did I preach from the bible? No, I simply taught basic morality and religion as I learned it. No one forced me to learn and I didn’t force my kids to learn. The other kids around here, the religious factor, are always getting arrested for drugs, DWI, theft, guns, you name it. These are religious kids who are forced to go to church every Sunday.

I stand by my vote and I know that I won’t be voting for GW but I also won’t vote for this stinkin’ law if it goes to ballot. Let em eat dirt.

By Julie

January 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Folks, we are in America. America was founded on Christian principles. Of course we should be teaching our children about our history. Like it or not, the Bible is our history. If you don’t like it, don’t take the course. If you don’t want to say “The Pledge”, then don’t. If you don’t want to say a morning prayer, then don’t. But how dare you suggest that we Americans cease to acknowledge our ancestory???? I say teach the Bible, recite the Pledge and take time out before the school day to pray! What kind of parent teaches their kid not to pray? Not a true American parent!

By Observer

January 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

A course covering religious studies in general would be more appropriate. Cover ALL the major world religions. It wouldn’t diminish Christianity in the least. In fact, it would probably enhance Christians’ appreciation and understanding of not only other religions, but their own as well.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Homer, only if other works were veiwed in the same light. Otherwise I’m confident of the tune the supremes would be singing.

By Robert Mels

January 19, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Oh Mother Hera, please let our teachers bring your enlightment to or poor misguided Georgia children. Zeus would be proud…..

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Julie, one slight correction.

This country was founded on principles of FREEDOM and beacuse of unfair taxation on the colonists by the king.

Read your history books.

By REP

January 19, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

I just have two comments for those who oppose the teaching of a class on the INFLUENCE of the Bible in history, art and culture (the class is not set up to be a Bible Study class):

1) You espouse the cliche’ term of “Separation of Church and State”, yet you have no idea where the term originated. It is not stated anywhere in the US Constitution (have you ever read it). The Supreme Court decision removing prayer from the schools in the early 1960s was the first ruling that was not based on precedent, written law, or the Constitution.

2) Why are you afraid to have the class taught. Many of you espouse thinking for yourself, but if you haven’t reviewed all the options, how can you come to an educated conclusion?

By the way, for those who want to say I am an idiot for being a Christian (love that tolerance), I have an MBA and an IQ of 132.

By Mary

January 19, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

“and the lord said unto his people, Carl is a dumbass and all rejoyced and drank wine.”

By KC

January 19, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Julie, I’m a true American parent. I’m a true American armed forces veteran. I believe our “true America” was founded on the principle of religious tolerence, not the enforcement of any singular religious faith. If my son grows old enough to make the decision to pray then I will support him. Now, that prayer may be a Christian prayer, a Hindi prayer or a Muslim prayer. A persons faith is, after all, their own decision. I find your comment that no “true American” parent would not teach their child to pray to be hideiously offensive and in no way representative of American values. You, my friend, need to think a little harder on what it means to be a “true American”.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Heather, you are correct. People will always push their beliefs and even do it without knowing it, it’s human nature.

What a great topic for the day. I love being called a Redneck when everyone knows Georgia doesn’t have Rednecks, Texas does, according to the comic king, Jeff Foxworthy. Georgia has New Yorkers via Florida aka half-backs living here. Other than that, we have them mountain people, aka them mountain people. We aren’t rednecks either. We’re just poor people being taken over by the half-backs, of which I am one. lol

Jim, that spelling refresher wasn’t aimed at you at all. It was a post I could hardly read because it was in phonics or something else. Teaching phonics in the early years is fine, but the person should graduate out of that and learn real life spelling as they get older. Not “schmarter” of course, but older.

By donotdenyGOD

January 19, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Remember people this is an elective. If you do not want your child to attend, decline the offer but DO NOT DENY others to learn about the greatest of GOD. No matter how you look at it, the Bible has influenced more in history than any other religious books. Teachers will not be interpeting the bible they will be comparing it to history. It will allow students to think further and guide their actions. This is why there are killings in school and immorals behavior. When prayer was taken out, teachers lost control of the classes. I SAY BRING IT BACK AND GET OUR CHILDREN BACK

By KC

January 19, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

The Constitution contains the “Establishment clause” in the first amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This is interpreted by many, including many clergy, to indicate a “seperation of church and state”. Others disagree. To say the Constitution contains no seperation clause is innacurate. It is more accurate to say the application of that clause remains hotly debated in most circles.

Have a peaceful day

By Tom

January 19, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

We still have the right of free speech in this country (I think), but it seems to be disappearing due to those that only want their version heard (both sides of the “aisle”) while trying to eliminate entirely any other versions by unethical & non-religious methods (“bear no false witness” … oh my what a forgotten principle in the Bible) … we just need to work together to apply free speech in a respectful moderate way (i.e., Silent prayer in public for all gives all the opportunity to talk to God in their special way - must accept bowed heads, upright heads, lotus positions, pray mats pointed toward Mecca, etc as various respectful ways to communicate with the Great Spirit/Force/etc; form spiritual groups - Christian athletes, Zen Philosophers, Pagan (misunderstood, positive, nature-based path), etc. who can meet separately to share their common connection and (hopefully) learn to respect all other connections … being good role models & respectful communicators … Is everyone listening ? ? ?

Blessings to All

That also means that Christians need to pay more attention to being good, loving role models based on their foundations … rather than to the aggressive, brutal, “convert or die & go to hell” marketing aspects of prosletizing that turn most against the beautiful aspects of this path.

Learn more about similarities of various paths at http://beliefnet.com/ and better understand that God doesn’t mean for creation to be separated, but joined in love … look for love & understanding in each path … this is a great source … keep an open mind.

By Norm

January 19, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Religion and Bible has been taught in public schools for many years. When I pastored in Hall County, the Gainesville City Schools had a religious learning center on the campus of the high school. Students could take their social science electives there, and transfer them to the high school. Didn’t seem to be a problem. Other states have laws allows religion and or Bible taught for its historal and cultural contribution to the world, also for its great literature. Calling for the Bible to be taught can, and does lead others to claim their fear of evangelism. It is a shame that there is so much objection to teaching an elective course that would greatly round out the education of youth. To teach history, U.S. history, socioloby, political science, and literature without references to the contributions of religion and, yes especially the Bible for its revelance to our society is to offer a poor education.

Actually all the above courses would be better if they incorporated religion and its influence in each of the courses.

By IBK

January 19, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

I think this should be an optional club or an elective. However, I dont believe that will ever happen. I’m guessing the majority of the students would actually be interested and that would just KILL the leaders or our public schools.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Julie, I am a true american and taught my kids to pray, just as I was taught. I don’t need a history teacher teaching my kids to pray to his/her God. Read your history books again, this country was based on FREEDOM of RELIGION, the right to practice any religion, not christianity. That is a falsehood that christians have been holding on to for years now. Please don’t insult folks because they don’t believe in what you believe in. We aren’t all christians and what’s a true american anyway? You think the French don’t pray? The Israeli’s don’t pray? The Germans don’t? Come on, Julie, it’s not a matter of being an american, it’s a matter of keeping people from forcing their religions down our children’s throats.

By ROB

January 19, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

This is clearly against the constitutional separation of church and state. If you start teaching the Holy Bible in public schools, soon other religions will start protesting for their respective books to be taught as well. Soon we will be teaching the Quran or the Torah in the classroom. It’s simple. If you want your children to be taught religious teachings and beliefs, GO TO CHURCH!

By Gatorrrrrr

January 19, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

“Thump Thump”

For years, Evangelical Christians have tried to find some way of instituting their biblical philosophies and ideals into public, or better yet, government / tax payer funded schools. They attempted mandating prayer in schools. They recently tried to masking the teaching of creationist theory into science classes as “Intelligent Design�. Both failed. And we can thank our founding fathers for not allowing that to happen.

The most recent holy roller invasion is now occurring in the Georgia State Senate thanks to some Senate Democrats. The idea they are wasting tax payer dollars on would authorize schools to offer an elective course on … the Bible and its influences on various subjects ranging from art and music to culture and politics. Sen. Tim Golden of Valdosta, Sen. Doug Stoner of Smyrna and Sen. Kasim Reed of Atlanta, all Democrats, are leading the charge for this measure. Oh.. and it just so happens to be an election year too. Can we say pandering? Naturally, the Republicans dont say that this sort of “elective” is a waste of time or a very bad idea.. and instead only mention that its an election year ploy.

Diving back into the journal of my mind, I recall a class I was required to take in High School. It taught us about societies, and cultures, even art and music and how they all came together and developed the day and age we all currently live in. That class was called.. History. I bet your thinking “Wow! What a concept! Isnt there something like that already?� We learned the very same things this class is aiming to teach in our current history curriculum. Why waste funding and effort on a duplicate class? Because its not specific to the Bible. That’s why. Why could they possibly want a class to teach the specifics of the Bible? Because that’s their sneaky little back up plan to get religion taught in public schools and pander to the Evangelical right for votes. Proselytizing or not. Elective or not. Its not needed, and as far as Im concerned - unwanted.

Georgia is currently ranked last in the nation in educational standards as it is. Why pull time, funds and other resources away to be dedicated to a class whose teachings is already included in an existing curriculum? I seem to recall a push for better math, reading and science scores. This class doesn’t help that cause. How will this class improve testing scores? The answer is it doesn’t. Plain and simple. Again, its all about someone’s agenda(s). Why not put those energies and funds to improving math, reading and science scores where its needed most. Why not create a mandatory class where high school seniors must pass a course on saving and investing. The curriculum for that sort of class already exists. That sort of class would be productive and a step in the right direction. There is little to no benefit to a course in “biblical influence�. Why not focus energies on getting parents more involved in their childs education? Hello? The parents are the key here even more so than the teacher is. If the parent really finds it that important for their child to learn about biblical influences – aside from whats already being taught already in the history curriculum – then why not go to their church and have that taught in their Sunday school, exactly where that kind of class belongs.

What happens if this measure does pass? It Senator Tim Golden states that the “elective� will not proselytize in anyway. Where is the measurement in what is considered proselytizing? How will it be monitored?

The thing that aggravates me most is I seem to be raising more questions than there are answers. Once again I have pointed out a lack of common sense with politicians and made them look even more dishonest and trustworthy. And they wonder why more people arent interested in politics. If this is our tax dollars at work, quite frankly, I want a refund.

Gatorrrrrr http://gatorrrrrr.blogspot.com

By BGF

January 19, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

In their wisdom the founding fathers made the seperation of church and state the law of the land and teaching the Bible in the public schools would be a violation of this constitutional guarantee. If parents want their children to learn about the Bible, then teach it to them at home, better yet bring them to church and make sure they attend Sunday school. Quit trying to make the schools responsible for the moral upbringing of the state’s children. Instructing children in religion, discipline and sex should be the responsibility of parents not the state.

By Bobbi

January 19, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Rep wrote: By the way, for those who want to say I am an idiot for being a Christian (love that tolerance), I have an MBA and an IQ of 132.

Hi Rep,

Congrats on the state of your gray matter!! Unfortunately, A high IQ and a propensity for gullibility are not mutually exclusive!

Bobbi

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

REP must have learned a new word. She/he used it at least twice in his comments “espoused”

MAIN definition of espoused: 1. 1. To take in marriage; marry. 2. To give (a woman) in marriage.

IQ of 132 still doesn’t compete with my kid who has one of 157. People can have high IQ’s and not a bit of common sense.

The bible is a story, folks, written by man as they translated history in their time. We don’t know if it’s true, because no one is around to tell us it is. We assume it is, but which version? Did God really create the world in 7 days? Which day did he rest? The Jews and 7th day Adventists say Saturday, the christians say Sunday. Which is correct? How would you explain the difference in bibles and their interpretations. They even changed the Lords Prayer to make it easier for ignorant people to understand. That really burned me, because the Lords Prayer is HIS prayer. Now I’m hearing Jesus wrote the 10 Commandments. WHAT? He wasn’t even around during that time. Christians refer to Jesus as God and to God as God. Which is it? God is God and said, do not worship anyone before me. But you all worship Jesus. Aren’t you breaking God’s laws? This is how confused my kids got. This is exactly WHY I am against this.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Norm, again let me ask which religion and which materials as far as text?

I believe we as a nation have become such a melting pot that no one religion or any specific texts could cover what should be.

So do we pick one, the bible, over others or just allow parents and priests and pastors to teach in their homes and places of worship?

just as an example let’s look at christianity. With the vast majority of ameraicans professing to be christian, how great is the need to push this training into our public schools? Professing Christians should have already done as instructed in the book, that many of them argue should be used in the schools, and have provided instruction to their children. Provided they had followed the teachings, logic dictates, introducing religioon in school would be unnecessary, other than for reinforcement. But then again the need for reinforcement would indicate the lack of adaquit training at home.

No my friend, that still remains the responsibillity of the parents.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

WOW, I’M IMPRESSED.

It has been a whole hour now without anyone claming that religion, prayer and the bible are banned from our schools.

Y’all are finally starting to learn.

MANY THANKS!

By Charles

January 19, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

As long as other sacred texts, the Quran, the Bagavad Gita, etc., are taught at some point, and as long as all are taught from a historical context, with no narrowly constructed religious view, I think that this has promise of correcting a lot of misunderstanding taught in the name of Christianity in various churches in the state. The instructors would have to be extremely well educated in history and literature studies to be able to even begin teaching this difficult subject fairly.

By Carole

January 19, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

This is great. It is about time that people go back to what was in the beginning. This has been and is the problem with our youth they don’t know the word of God.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Charles,

Have you been monitoring this Blog?

“with no narrowly constructed religious view”

Think thats possible?

By Robert Hathorn

January 19, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

My name is Robert. Allow me to make this important statement to all of you to approve, opposed or in fear of the BIBLE being taught in Georgia schools. Whatever the case maybe, the only certain thing you are doing when you complain, be you a Christian, Muslin, Buddist, Athetist or any other faith, is bring Revelation closer to existence. Have you all forget that it is GOD who controls your souls? Do you know it is GOD who will end this world? So what makes you think He will let things get so far out of hand? Whether you care to believe me or not, we are living in the last days of the world. Revelation is upon us. GOD truly loves us all. But on the other hand, when He ends this world or should I say, when each of you die, you have better be right with Him. Because He, n that groomy, groomy day of Revelation, will take with Him to Heaven those who respected and believed in Him. Please take heed in what I just said without prejudice or resentment of anyone’s faith, belief or religion.

By what was in the beginning.

January 19, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Carole, I’m with you sugar, a couple of naked people.

By MORGAN-LLYNN LAMBERTH

January 19, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

The theists don’t understand English!They don’t get it. They can’t refute ; they assert.They’re illogical;crime antedated removal of official prayers. O’H are was just on eo of many -mainly Christian- people who fought ofr separation of church and state. There is no mention a fair trail in thea constitution . ‘yet we have them.

By Monica

January 19, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

FYI - Christians claim Saturday as the 7th day of the week as well. We have church on Sunday, the first day of the week, like the New Testament church.

By Michael Merget

January 19, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

It sounds like a great idea but those not associated with the teachings of the Bible(other religious groups) will protest the inclusion of only the Christian classes and the ACLU or some other activist bunch will kill the idea.

By pffbt

January 19, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

this would be a great idea if they also taught an atheism class. atheism is the religion of many people, too. an atheism class would take a hard, academic look at all religions and point out the inconsistencies and fallacies that ALL religions are guilty of, so kids can make up their own minds.

By Tom

January 19, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Dear Norm & others,

When I grew up in Mississippi, there were those that thought since I was white, went to church, read the Bible and listened to bigoted sermons (like them) that I must agree that for the benefit of the Christian church … all liberals, Jews, blacks, gays, abortionists, hippies and other “undesirables” must be constantly harassed, physically beaten, spat upon and were below the level of having unalienable human rights unless they they converted to conservative doctrines & beliefs or left the area to become someone else’s problem.

BTW - wasn’t Jesus a liberal who lived communally (commun-ist?) that loved everyone and tried to heal while those that tormented, tortured him were the conservative religious & political leaders of the day … wrong then … wrong now….

Thank God for my loving parents that taught me a different philosophy … it has made my life and those that I’ve touched better by far.

Norm - when you pastored in Hall County, can I be sure that you only preached love to & for all … never slipped by criticizing someone falsely … broke any of the commandments … found out later that you’d misinterpreted or repeated an un-Christian human thought and that was the case in the schools as well ? ? ? … You never disagreed with a Christian teacher in the schools?

Interested in a reply, please

God Bless Us All with new, improved leadership that aren’t hypocrites interested only in themselves … not the wellness of all creation.

May all warriors return home to their loved ones to pursue love not war … Jesus never used a weapon even when begged to do so to overthrow the “evil empire” Rome and spent all of his time (like Sister Theresa) to lift up, heal and change through love those that society despised, abused, murdered & kept as undesirables while praising their own superiority.

I see such confusion by well meaning, but indoctrinated individuals still in these comments … all do as I do - “remove the log out of your eyes before (trying to help someone) remove the splinter from their eye.”

Blessings to All

By Jana

January 19, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

People that are for teaching religion in schools because they say their kids need the values apparently don’t have the values or the time to teach their kids. This country was founded on religious fundamentalism and many of our founding fathers were atheists. There is a strict clause in the Constitution of the United States of separation of Church and State. Since publice schools receive Federal funds they should NOT be allowed to teach ANY religious courses in ANY public school. And the idiots that proposed this should be kicked out of office. They obviously are pandering and don’t know the law.

By Cynic

January 19, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

REP, I also just graduated from a top 20 b-school, so I know that even a blind monkey with no thumbs can get through business school nowadays. Oh, and talking about (heck, even having knowledge of) your own IQ is so incredibly idiotic that it’s impossible that you have any actual intelligence in that noggin of yours.

By Dr Judd

January 19, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

First let me state that I have a minor in Philosophy with a concentration in comparative religion.

That being said I think this is a terrible idea filled with problems and will only polarize the country further then it already is.

Finding competent teachers in this area would be next to impossible while maintaining a secular approach to the Bible. Any teacher that failed to bring up both sides of the Bibles influence on history would, and should be bared from the class. I am just going by the fact that it is stated to be a secular class. How much of the class will be devoted to the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, The Bonfire of the Vanities, The burning of Witches, and any educated person can go on and on with more examples. This is not to say that some good doesn’t come out of the bible, but the ugly events that have come out of it are great. In fact it is harder to name world altering positive events in history, many stemming from Christianity, and quite easy to name events that have killed millions. Would the class teach how MLK used the bible to try and break the racist ideals of the time while the KKK still uses the same bible to try and show that other races are inferior? How is it that both views come from the same book? The answer is interpretation, and the debate then becomes which interpretation will be given more weight.

What many people don’t understand is that they are victims to their own religion, and even more so when it is brought up by politicians. The reason political people bring religion into their forum is because it is a way of controlling people without checks and balances. People follow it to its word and seem to loose ability to think for themselves simply because you can’t argue with god’s word. Unfortunately it is not god who is making these statements it is regular people, or worse politicians An example is when Bush said something along the lines of god wanting him to be president, or Pat Robertson saying it is a SIN to vote for a politician who is pro-choice. Who can argue with logic like that (sarcasm)? It is the ultimate trump card to those who fall victim. If politicians where TRULY concerned with teaching values they wouldn’t be considered the biggest crooks and liars in the country.

Lastly, just by trying to teach this class the student will be robbed no matter the final verdict. This class with undoubtedly be forced to go to court, and it will be tax payers money that will be taken from the students, or could be used by the students to settle the trial brought on by one prideful politician, and his attempt to change the constitusion.

I truly feel bad for those who can not see through the manipulation, and get to what religion truly tries to teach, and those values can only be taught by a loving family.

By Jason

January 19, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

The Bible should be taught in every class. Don’t you hethens understand that the second coming is soon and if we don’t repent we will surely be condemned for eternity? It is clear God is angry with us…look at New Orleans, the bird flu, and the Japanese stock market scandal. We can not waste our time with secular teachings…we must save the world as soon as possible before it is too late.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Thank you brother jason.

By Cindy

January 19, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

The Bible is not only religious but is also a factual document that has influenced our country - and most of the free world - in many significant ways over centuries.

To NOT teach the Bible in schools is a narrow-minded, dishonest revision of history.

By Robby

January 19, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

I believe this is long overdue. It has long been known that the Bible has influenced many works of literature. Even during my time in high school, the teacher alluded to Biblical references, which were used to help explain the meaning of certain passages or other pieces. This is especially true of the British poets, such as John Donne, who was a clergyman. If you don’t understand the social context of the work, including religious (not necessarily Christianity), then the meaning can be lost or changed. However, there should be a course that encompasses all works of many religions in order to satisfy all complaints that such a course would violate separation of church and state principles that have been used in federal court rulings and that have been the basis for many frivilous law suits.

By Gatorrrrrr

January 19, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Cindy Cindy Cindy.. Dear heart.. its influence is ALREADY BEING TAUGHT.

And it being a “factual document” is certainly up for arguement.

By morgan-lynn lamberth

January 19, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

Read works by Michael Martin and Paul Kurtz on religion. The inerrantists sure are funny! What is tragic is that some do have high IQS.They reaally can be outlandish.

By l

January 19, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Only in the south.

By dmharper

January 19, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Shouldn’t we concentrate on teaching what we’re already not teaching before teaching some thing we shouldn’t be teaching in the first place?

By aname

January 19, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Cindy, the anarchist’s cookbook is also factual. that doesn’t mean we’re going to teach it in school.

By JamesD

January 19, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Any person who wants Christianity taught in school without teaching the other 5000 religions is just is self centered and closed minded and a poor Christian. I don’t think we have the tax money to pay for 5000 elective classes. If you still think it is a good idea I will let you tell the Muslim student or and other religion that your religion is superior and he is an idiot. Thanks for proving my point Jason. You are just kidding right Jason?

By Scott

January 19, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Absolutely absurd.

I don’t care what angle you approach this from. The Bible does not belong in public schools.

This potential class as described might be OK in college, but not in a public school.

Taxpayer dollars should not support this.

By Toby

January 19, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

I think they should only teach this class if they have those neat little picture books and those felt bible figures like they had when I was in grade school in the early ’60s. I always liked the one showing David holding the head of Goliath. Now that was cool. And will they be singing “Onward Christian Soldiers” or “When the walls come tumbling down”? How about red punch and saltines..mmmmm. Does anyone else remember those good old days.

By G

January 19, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

It is simply political pandering. No, no, no, for Christ’s sakes, NO!!! How stupid do they think we are?

As others have pointed out, we are a pluralistic society with multi-cultural practices and beliefs. Something as personal and certainly as subjective as religion should not be mandated or dictated by anyone in the public arena: that includes our sorely broken school system. Our kids already have difficulty understanding and employing the basics of education: reading, writing, and arithmetic, not to mention history, science and geography. Do you honestly believe this same system can be trusted to disseminate objectively something so varied and personal as Christianity? It is our kids who are supposed to be naive, not the parents. One’s faith and its practice should be the responsibility of the family, which for all Americans will vary as much as our ethnic and religious make-up. Please stop trying to mask religious agendas as social concern for our moral well-being. It is 2006, this country is quite different from the time explorers landed at Plymouth rock. And thank God for that! :-)

By kuraigulee

January 19, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

All religions should be taught in school, but most importantly, the teachings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!! We must all bow down and get touched by his noodly appendage - see the light people before it is too late. I implore you - ask yourselves, is it a mere coincidence that all of the horrible things in the world are happening, including global warming, and the drastic decrease in the number of pirates?!?!? Of course not. Join with the FSM and know the truth. It is all here - www.venganza.org.

By Teri Farner

January 19, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

WONDERFUL! I could not have said it better myself. It could not come at a better time. I agree with the person who said if we went to another country they would not stop teaching for me. We are TOO WEAK and we are seeing the rath of this by others taking advantage of that. Stand up for what we started this country on. Look in a positive light. God’s light! I do notice a difference in my daycare with our morning prayers and I had people hurry and ask for our Christian Pre-K. So let us take it on in the school even if it is an elective. GO GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Robert

January 19, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

First,

Why do those that are “liberal” always resort to calling fundamental christians ignorant, etc? I am a fundamental christian, well educated, degrees, etc,etc,blah,blah. That does not make me right or wrong on any specific issue. However, I have never commented that someone with a differing opinion is of less value than me, something that is prevelent int he above messages.

You can just reference the above comments and see numerous comments that are just plan wrong.

First, the Supreme Court has already decided on this exact, let me repeat exact issue. If this bill passes it will not go to the Supreme Court. The gentleman that proposed it made it clear that they worded specifically for that reason and the precedent has been set in the courts. Now I would personally love for the ACLU to argue that precedent does not matter.

Secondly, people are always talking about the God of the Bible or the God of the Quoran. Intuitively, if there is a God. Then there can be only one God, only one supreme being. So please quit trying to be so politically correct that you cannot even be honest enough to say I just do not believe in God at all.

There either is a God or there is not a God. There is no middle ground on that issue and if there is one then you may want to spend some time making sure that you choose right.

Lastly, do not start of comments telling people how smart you are and the kind of degrees you have and then immediately say things that are just so factually wrong that it make me embarrassed for you. In this age of information it is to easy to get the right information, be fact based.

By kuraigulee

January 19, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

James, Teri, and Robert -

Please, before it is too late. The Flying Spaghetti Monster loves all, knows all, is all. Perhaps you have not seen evidence of his existence? Perhaps you do not yet believe? Remember, absence of evidence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not evidence of absence of His holy noodleage. Repent your wicked non-pasta ways and embrace his meaty, saucy, carbo warmness.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Robert keep in mind that while the courts have handed down decisions on very like matters they would also be looking at intent.

Intent could be a deciding factor in any future cases. ie; bible classes were approved with the intent of promoting a given religion.

By Lyrazel

January 19, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Politics as usual in GA in an election year… a stupid ploy to move voters off the fact our state ranks embarrassingly low compared with other state educational standards. Nothing will happen because so much funding is spent on NCLB. Why does this brouhaha not surprise me? Mac&Cheese is a listed as vegetable in GA schools…

By Therese McNally

January 19, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

I believe teacing “religion” as a philosophy/history elective course would be a wonderful addition to our public High School curricula. However it would have to include all basic religions including agnostic and atheistic teachings and be done as a “History of Religion” type course to prevent any one sided Christian bias from creeping in to our public schools. Too often the conservative politicians have forgotten that “the Bible” is just one of many religous books and that no one knows the truth. People believe different faiths based on what they have been taught from childhood not many are given all the information and allowed to make a choice. Which is after all what our country is all about…Liberty the freedom to choose our own path. Therese McNally

By BlindHomer

January 19, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Robert - Just read the entire blog and you can answer your own first question. Most of the really horrendous grammar, spelling, and logic can be found in those espousing (correct usage of the word BTW) christian beliefs. Hence some of us think they are generally stupid. Having been raised as a Catholic, including years of cathecism, I believe the early christians combined monotheistic and polytheistic notions, hence god the father, son, and holy ghost, the trinity in one, something for everyone. Logically, I would think there could be no god, one god, or lots of gods. Lastly, I loved how you wound up commenting about people starting their comments with their education or IQ and then immediately stating several factual inaccuracies, love it because that’s exactly what you did!

By Larry B

January 19, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

No problem. It’s about time the dog wagged the tail instead of the minority telling the majority what we can, must and will do! If she’s still alive, Ms Oglethorpe of Valdosta State College (now a University) taught “Literature of the Bible” 1963 or 1964. Atheists and the ACLU would have gotten nowhere trying to claim separation of church and state when it came to her class work. She was A#1 in my book! So was her course! If the ACLU sues over this one, the tables should be turned with a counter suit for damages, costs and attornies fees to the state and local government having to defend itself from such frivolous lawsuits. Actually I didn’t think the democrats had the fortitude to make such a bold proposal. Why there might be hope for them yet!

By smyth

January 19, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

After reading the majority of these comments, I truly believe we need to concentrate on teaching spelling, not religion. Bible study should not be in the schools, period. That’s what church is for. If you want to teach religion in the schools, then teach spelling in Sunday School.

By keith

January 19, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

As a pastor I oppose forcing anyone to except the greatest gift ever offered to humanity; a relationship with the creator. God knows that most Christians (and some politicians) would love to try the stem the tide of moral collapse of the American society by teaching scripture in the public arena again, but God never forced Himself on anyone and Jesus certainly had many in His audience that did not accept Him and hated Him without reason. He even told His followers that they would also be hated without cause. Based on the volume of garbage and filth directed at God that I read through in this column, it is not hard to come to a conclusion as to where our society is headed. May God help us all and forgive as long as He will.

By smyth

January 19, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

After reading the majority of these comments, I truly believe we need to concentrate on teaching proper spelling, not religion.

By Beelzebub

January 19, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Help me Jeebus! Can’t we spend our energy on something more practical, like traffic on GA 400?

By Kevin

January 19, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Just a couple of comments to some email writers.

reeves, did you actually read what you wrote before you emailed your comments?

Your comment about demeaning women is based on what source or facts? In my reading of the Bible, Jesus is diamterically opposed to demeaning woman.

Consider how He treated the woman caught in the act of adultery. All the men wanted to stone her as the law provided. Were some of your ancestors in the group, reeves?

Anyway, Jesus indicates that only those men who have not sinned should stone her. Anyway, no one stoned her and Jesus forgave her.

Tell me, reeves, does that sound like someone who demeans women??????

And Elijah from 1/18, you need to listen to Smooth Jazz on 107.5 and switch to decaf.

By Gordon

January 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

This is total b.s. There is a proper place to teach the bible—your local tax-free church with its’ tax exempt priest/pastor…don’t they have something called “Sunday School” for this?!?!?

By Gail

January 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Please hurry…I relish the idea of a bible class as an elective. I have worked in public education for twenty six years and have witnessed first hand the changes in each new group of students. When God was taken out of public education, Satan gained greater entrance into our schools, communities and many homes. With that removal, we have helped ruin an entire generation of children. So many of our children have joined the ranks of a “lost generation”.They simply lack compassion for others and moral values. We made a mistake by removing God and the bible from our schools and it needs correcting.

Anyway, most educators never stopped praying in schools…only the students. Needless to say, it shows.

By Heather

January 19, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Robert, while I appreciate your comments, I have to take issue with you on a couple of points. You said there is either a god or not a god, “intuitively” there could only be one. But your argument essentially assumes your conclusion. They are one in the same. The fact is, there is probably the same diversity of opinions about religion in this world as there is diversity of people in this world. So, there’s plenty of fertile middle ground. Second, I’m not sure of your legal background, but I can assure you that there’s no way to insulate a case like this from litigation should the Georgia legislature pass such a law. Just ask the taxpayers in Pennsylvania who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars litigating an Intelligent Design in schools case, all to no avail.

By Pat S.

January 19, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

I personally think that is what is wrong with schools today. When I was in school we had devotion and prayer daily. Before every football or basketball game the coaches had prayer with the team.

I believe if they put Christ back in the school systems things would change.

When I was going to school we did not have all the mess that goes on in schools today.

This is my personal opinion.

Thanks.

By BlindHomer

January 19, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Therese - Why comparative religion, why not just moral and ethical philosophy? Avoid all the religious bias but still cover a few of the bases of ethical thought and behavior for the believers and non-believers? I’ve long thought students shouldn’t graduate without being exposed to ethics and logic, how to pick a mate and raise a child, etc. Truly important and practical stuff, I haven’t used that trigonometry yet.

By Don Henderson

January 19, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Whatever my children will learn about the Bible will come from me, my family and my Church. Look at all of the opinions here. That is the same way it will be with every one assigned to teach it, 500 teachers and 500 messages.

Don Henderson

By kellyp

January 19, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Bible learning is perfectly appropreate for individuals in their home, church, and car.

However, i do not want to pay for your or your children’s bible learning.

Or are you christians going to pay for my religious education? Or my neighbor’s religious training. Are you going to pay for my friends’ satan’s bible training? If you answer No to any of those three question then i should not have to pay for your christian education.

By Ann

January 19, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

“Christians” who approve of the tax dollars being wasted debating an obviously unconstitutional proposal. Will Catholics, Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses or Lutheran views be represented. These “Christians” are about as different as the three faiths, Judaism, Islam and Christianity. All related by blood. All devoted to the same God. All ready to kill each other.

By Jeff

January 19, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

Haven’t read EVERYTHING, but gettint the gist of it and I’d like to make a point:

On one of the morning shows, this was pointed out for exactly what it is: an election year ploy. Nothing more, nothing less..

Demos aren’t serious about this, they just want to force Republicans to vote “no” ona bill getting “God back in the schools”. So that they can then claim - near election time and long after the exact circumstances are forgooten - that “Republican so-and-so voted against putting God back in the schools”

Personally, I’m on the fence. Using the Bible from a completely objective standpoint in a history class would show how accurate it is in every detail of the history it records. However, I also see the difficulties of a student who believes and a teacher who is antagonistic. I had one of those Bible classes at Kennesaw, and I was the only conservative in it. I held my ground and proved my case, but while the rest of the class was learning the various literary aspects, I was learning Apologetics. And I’m not about to willingly allow a high school student to be put under that level of assault.

By S.O.

January 19, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Just a thought. If we as intelligent,( for the most part) mature, adults are having a rough time deciding where litature starts and religion ends, what chance does a 14 or 15 yeard old have ?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

I knew it was too good to be true.

Gail when did it happen? “We made a mistake by removing God and the bible from our schools”

1: God is omni-present —-means he’s everywhere. Man has dominion over god to expell him from school? I know some schools think they may, but really dear

2: have you ever seen a student told they could not carry a bible? if so call a cop cause someone just broke a law.

By GWYN

January 19, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Hi. I’m a transplanated New Yorker. I’m 61 years old. I attended Catholic school and public school. By the way..”Under God” was added to the Pledge when Ike was president.

When I attended public school we, if we chose to, attended “Religious Instruction” on Thursday. We were allowed to leave early to go to the CHURCH OF CHOICE to receive this “instruction”. I became a nun at one time in my life. Today, I believe in God but I don’t believe in “Religion”. I don’t trust any so called Christian in the State of Georgia to “teach” the bible in any public school. Most Southern Christians are too fanatical to teach religion objectively.
If parents would be parents and stop frequenting the clubs, incouraging rap music and rap artists. Spend time with your offspring in the house of God that you choose. Teach your sons that wearing visible underwear is not socially acceptable. If you have a need to create a law to get involved in the so called “School system” of this backward state then, for YOUR LOVE OF GOD..PLEASE teach ENGLISH. I mean the kind of English that is understood by others on this planet. Teach math, economics, science and history..Then, just maybe Georgians will graduate high school,PASS THE SAT with the ability to read, fill out an application, get a college education or a job so that they will not become wards of the state or a resident of the county jail AND VOTE OUT IDOTS WHO WOULD EVEN THINK OF PUTTING INTO LAW … TEACHING THE BIBLE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

*By Wanda Scruggs

January 19, 2006 06:49 AM |

This would be a giant step toward the problems our children face at school.*

Really and why do you think that way? Don’t these children go to CHURCH on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday and listen to gospel at home and listen to preacher’s broadcasts in their homes day and night? That hasn’t helped them. Why would a teacher help? They don’t listen to basic math skills, they’re supposed to listen to preaching in school now? Give the kids a break. Stop preaching 24/7 and maybe they’ll turn out okay. Shove it down their throats and you’ll lose them. The problem they face is peer pressure. We all faced it. A little encouragement, a lot of love and tenderness and not too much hard headed disciplining or religion pushed on them and you might have a good kid despite all of the preaching.

To the guy who quoted Noah Webster: Noah Webster was all wrong. Judiasm is the most IMPORTANT religion because it is the oldest religion in the bible and is the one christianity is based on.

By Ali

January 19, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

What is it with you christians? Why are you so insecure about you religioon that you have to sell it door-to-door and impose it on everyone else?

If the religioon was that good then people will come to your church.

Pushing it onto others they way you christians do is like selling vacumm cleaners or brushes.

Its really rather pitiful.

Keep your religioon in your chuch and not the schools that I have to pay for.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

ya’ll just hit in spurts don’t you.

I’ve been correcting people telling this lie all day, Pat.

“if they put Christ back in the school systems things would change”

He’s never left!! OK?

By Monica Gibson

January 19, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I’m all for the Bible being taught in school..we grew up w/prayer in the classroom…

By Gayla

January 19, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

There is nothing wrong with having a Bible elective class. No one is REQUIRED to take the class. As far as making other religious classes elective choices, make your voice heard with your elected officials. As long as the classes are elective, the students and parents have a choice in what their child is educated in. Education should be about learning. It does not mean that you have to agree with anything, just to help you make educated judgements. For all the parents that do not want these type of classes taught, that is your right, but it is not your right to stop other people who are intersted.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Monica, did you read any of the posts above or just jump in?

YOUR KIDS CAN PRAY IN THE CLASSROOM.

If they are told they can’t the school is breaking the law.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

This comment alone proves the point that this is not a good move:

**By Pat S.

January 19, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

I believe if they put Christ back in the school systems things would change.**

Christ, Pat? How about God? Is Christ “God” now? Do you people see what she just said? This is what causes so much conflict.

Christ is NOT God. God is God, the Father, the Creator, the Almighty, the Lord in Heaven!

Christ is his “Son,” just like WE are ALL the sons and daughters of God. No, Christ does not belong in the school system. God does.

This I believe is the prime number one reason why people do not want the bible to be taught. Why should the Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever kids be taught to worship Christ or learn about YOUR religion? Like someone said, I pay taxes for the kids to attend school, therefore I will be paying for your kids to learn your religion. WRONG! You can send your kids to Christian school and pay for their education yourself.

I remember when I was in school, we were given time off on Wednesday (like the woman above said) to go to religious training. Mine was on Sunday, so I didn’t take off, but most of the Catholic kids left. We could go to the church/synagogue of our choice. It had been so long, I forgot about that. So let these little christian kids take off early to go to bible school. Oh what? Mom or Dad can’t take time out of their busy day to pick them up early and drive them? What a shame. Then I guess they won’t get bible study will they?

VOTE NO ON THE BALLOT!

By Matthew Bryan

January 19, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

Teaching the Bible is an excellent idea. Our whole society rests upon its teachings, laws, and promises, despite significant departures. It is impossible to understand our culture or this world satisfactorily without it, even if you hate it.

Of course, the atheistic State is right to be leery. The Bible proclaims the great hope for mankind does not rest in human institutions, but in Jesus Christ, the King of kings. Our present civil government hates rival Messaiah’s. But the Messaih of the Bible wins.

The Bible teaches that America, Georgia, and all nations must bow the knee to King Jesus, or face removal from the family of nations, and this is not popular among those who dream of limitless power for themselves.

God’s Word is powerful of itself, without anyone “promoting” it. It’s promises of hope and salvation are the number one need of Georgia’s children. Teaching it is in the best interest of the state.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Sorry Jim, he never went to my school. ;)

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Matthew if God’s Word is powerful of itself, without anyone “promoting� it

Why on earth would you think it needs promoting? That makes absolutely no sense.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Lynn, he was there I assure you.

By candide

January 19, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Matthew Bryan: where did you get this crap?

By Traci

January 19, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

I am tempted to follow the logic so many of the breeders here are using to defend god in school - when they were in school, we didn’t have these kinds of problems, but we had god.

Well, when I was in school, we didn’t have “these kinds of problems” either. We also had an area where students over 18 could smoke.

So I say bring back smoking on high school campuses and we will eliminate teenage pregnancy, illiteracy, and gun crime.

By Ann

January 19, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

“Christians” who approve of the tax dollars being wasted debating an obviously unconstitutional should go to their church to study which ever version of the Bible they prefer. Will Catholic, Baptist, Jehovah Witness or Lutheran views be represented? These “Christians” are about as different as the three faiths. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all related by blood and devoted to the same God. Freedom of Religion means that while you are free to reject my religion, I am free to reject yours.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Lynn, fortunately I was blessed with a bit of tolerance. It is, however starting to wear thin with posters that jump in saying god’s been kicked out of school. I wasn’t aware that the state held dominion over god. Wonder why they just didn’t send him to ISS and if they’re counting his expulsion on the NCLB reports to determine if the school is persistantly dangerous?

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Matthew, that’s YOUR christian bible teaching that. The Holy Scriptures (the old testament) doesn’t even touch on Jesus. I don’t want my kids learning from your bible. It’s my right, just like it’s your right not to want your kids learning from the Mormon bible or the Buddhist books or the Koran.

Jesus is not the King of Kings. King David was. How about that? Jews don’t bow to Jesus. We bow before God. God told the people not to worship any before him. You worship Jesus. He is not to be worshipped. He may have died unfairly, but that was too bad. It didn’t make him Christian. He was still a Jew.

“The Bible teaches that America, Georgia, and all nations”

How could this be? When the bible was written there was no America, there was no Georgia. Please don’t preach here. Jesus is not the Messiah of the bible.

Oh and I’m not atheist either. I probably am more religious than you are, but don’t shove it on you. Don’t shove your beliefs on my kids.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Jim

So was God. Jesus was there for his people, God was there for His. God is everywhere. He is the King of Kings and we must obey Him. Jesus sits with him, but cannot judge the people. God is the judge, because He is our creator (unless we did come from the ocean or ape). ;)

By David

January 19, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

This is just one more attempt at the forced acceptance of Jesus Christ. If I were a student in a public school today and I was subjected to a bible class, I’d leave and never return. I just don’t understand why Christians can’t limit their worshipping to appropriate times. And, school time is not an appropriate time to worship…it’s time to learn about the real world.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Wow, what a captive audience. Think about it folks. Mega schools housing 4000+ students under the control of the schools teaching a religion.

Kinda scary actually, don’t you think?

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Think the schools would require tithes?

By Deborah

January 19, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Mike

January 19, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Not with public money unless it is included in a course which includes other ancient documents of similar import.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Jim,

My patience ran short about 5 yrs ago when I died and GOD sent me back to live. Jesus wasn’t there, God was. Since then, I have had no patience with religious bible thumping zealots that live in my area and even less for people who say Jews need to be SAVED to get into heaven. Have we all forgotten that the Jews are God’s chosen people? He takes care of His own. He’s never left me, never will leave anyone who believes in Him. But if people persist on going against Him by preaching their religions on HIS people, he will take revenge. As He said, it is His to take. ;0)

This is a great topic. It gets me so riled, but it’s so funny the way people call each other “breeders” “rednecks” etc but my favorite which I just saw was Preacher MegaBucks. lol Praise the Lord, I sent my $20.

By Miranda Fay

January 19, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

No person is completely educated who does not know the Bible. Having an elective class which is about the Bible, adds to the students’ education. Quotes are used in newspapers, books, speeches, etc. all the time which are from the Bible and which, if the Bible is unknown to a person, mystify that person as to the meaning of the quote. Learning about the Bible and its great ideas and characters is not the same as being taught a specific religion.

By Dan J

January 19, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Why is that we (Christians) insist on debating issues in a public forum when the very Biblical text we propose to defend requires that we not succumb to this form of foolishness.

II Timothy:

 23 But refuse (shut your mind against, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels.

24And the servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome (fighting and contending). Instead, he must be kindly to everyone and mild-tempered [preserving the bond of peace]; he must be a skilled and suitable teacher, patient and forbearing and willing to suffer wrong.

25He must correct his opponents with courtesy and gentleness, in the hope that God may grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth [that they will perceive and recognize and become accurately acquainted with and acknowledge it],

26And that they may come to their senses [and] escape out of the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him, [henceforth] to do His [God's] will.

If you feel you must present you opinion and then reply to challenges in this format, at least do so in obedience to the Word. If this can’t be done in an edifying, intelligent way, then it would be better to be silent. Even a fool is perceived to be wise in this way.

By AMEREV

January 19, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

There seems to be some disconnect between what our legislators now interpret as their constitutional duty when helping to shape laws that govern our educational system and the intent of the founders of this great republic. The original purpose of the public school system was too educate the populus in the matters necessary for their community, spiritual, and personal growth and more specifically so that they could read the Bible. To create an elective option of the Bible for high school students does nothing more than to help support one of the fundamental jobs of the American high schools in preparing our children for the American Colleges where electives on everything from Atheism to Xenophobia exist. Electives are not required but are choices. Are we now afraid of choices? Our children are faced with all types of choices in school today and we trust that they are making choices that we will agree with, let’s give them the choice and trust that they will follow the guidelines that we have established and modeled for them.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Mega schools with 4,000 students - David Koresh style. God help us if that ever happens in our school systems. I am so glad my kids are OUT. Now to worry about grands if they ever come. But you know, I’ll leave that to my children. They can make the right decisions about it. Home schooling is always an option for BOTH sides.

Statistics - more drunks are christians more christians are in jail more christians find Jesus while serving time (was he lost?) and more billboards advertise Jesus than ever before. You don’t see Buddha’s, Tibetan Monks, or GOD on a billboard do you? Cripes, the demos have gone NUTS! Bush will get his singular religion here after all. Total domination over us. I think I may move north or even south of the border where I can be free to worship as I please. Gee, isn’t that why we’re all here today?

Rambling thoughts from a tired poster. Jim, let’s go home.

By Jeff

January 19, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Name a SINGLE text with the impact the Bible has had… other than (possibly) the Torah or Koran… you can’t. And I would even go so far as to put forth that neither the Torah nor the Koran have had the impact of the Bible. After all, you don’t see too many Jewish or Muslim references in Skakespeare, Fitzgerald, etc

By john

January 19, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

I think that if parents want religion taught in school then there are numerous parochial schools out there. This country should not endorse one teaching over another. Best way to avoid that is to let private educators take that job. All denominations can not be fairly represented in a class taught by a single teacher. My suggeston is keep the separation of church and state.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Lynn, Know what? I don’t know what will be. I do know what I believe will be. And furthermore don’t hold any opinion of other religions being right or wrong. To each his own.

My feelings on this might be influenced however by the fact that my childs great grandfather was born in Damascus.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Miranda, not to start a debate, but simply asking. If your child can’t add without a computer, can’t make change, can’t tell time, etc, but can quote the bible would that be better for him in his career (unless he wants to be a preacher)??

Our educational system is the last in the country. Most of our children are in special ed classes. Few go on to college. They breed in the woods like rabbits and carry their babies to graduation. Sad, but true of a lot of places in GA. There are more mothers on welfare than ever before and more kids on Peach Care. They get out of school by the skin of their teeth and get a job plucking chickens. Where is the bible going to help them get ahead in the world? I’d rather see these kids get better grades, be able to read (some of them graduate reading Dick and Jane books), do basic math and count money than know about religion. Religion is taught in church, etc and in the HOME. Just how much more responsibility to we want to pour on our underpaid teachers? Right now they are counselors, nurses, psychologists all without being trained. They have to be on the look out for child abuse, dirty kids, clothes, etc and try to teach a child who can’t even tie his shoes. If I were the teacher, I’d tell the school to shove it and walk away. It’s not worth the pay they hand out and certainly, if the teacher is a different religion, asking them to teach from one bible is wrong.

It’s an elective, but you know, like someone said, kids will take it for an easy sleep through A. They took art and music out of our schools, which is so beneficial and now want the Bible?

Please don’t fall for the act. That’s all it is.

By jim dumond

January 19, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Wow, thanks lynn. I was curious where he went when they kicked him out of school. Never thought to look in a prision myself.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

The Torah is the original holy book, Jeff. It’s so holy, no one but certain religious people are allowed to touch it in many synagogues. It’s kept in an Ark and carried by young boys who are being Bar Mitzvah’d in the religion and read by them (also young girls). It’s one thing that should be taught by every religious leader but isn’t. A shame they don’t recognize the Jewish religion as the basis for all.

By Lynn Lawson

January 19, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Honestly Jim, are you living under a rock? lol You KNOW all serial killers find Jesus or become lawyers or artists. Just one of those things. It’s proven, when you’re kicked out of school, chances are you hide in jail til they find you. I wonder if they put him in solitary? They found him so easily.

Have a good night. It’s been my pleasure and so informative how any really good christians there are that are against this. I was pleasantly surprised.

By Jeff

January 19, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Lyn,

You claim Christ isn’t the messiah. I come back with the claim (which I know can be proven and HAS been thoroughly documented) that Jesus is the only person who can possibly fulfill all of the Messianic Prophecies of the Torah.

Your best response? “The Torah is the original Holy Book”.

I’ll accept your concession for round one any moment now.

Round two: You claim that Jesus Christ isn’t God. I can show where Jesus Christ himself claimed to be God. I can prove that text reliable using the most modern of critiquing methods and I can do so to the reliability of “beyond a shadow of a dounbt”. That said: He was either a) completely correct b) a complete liar or c) completely deranged. If he did not believe his own claims and knew he was wrong, he was a liar, at best. However, no one from his own time denies that he did the miraculous. Indeed, doubt about his power did not even appear at all until roughly 100 yrs after his death. (Even Thomas believed upon seeing the scars…) If he did believe his own claims but was wrong anyway, he would have been left along the side of the road at some point - either literally in their day (as that was how the insane were dealt with then) or at some point through the past 2 millenia by those of a more sound mind. However, that hasn’t happened.

As we see, you can’t claim that Jesus is even “a son of God as we all are”. Because of his own actions, he either IS God, or he is one of the most evil men ever known - far more evil than Stalin, Hitler, and Mao combined! He himself left no middle ground, at least not from a completely logical stand point.

I can back up my prosecution here, its what I did all semester in the Scrip Lit class I took at Kennesaw. Can you back up your defense?

By lori

January 19, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

YES, BLESS THE CHILDREN THAT IS THEIR ONLY HOPE I’M ALL FOR IT…

By Jason Morris

January 19, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

It is a shame the this topic is so highly charged because Christianity has had and continues to have a major impact on Western Civilization. Some of the impact is positive some is negative. Since both sides tend to default to emotional responses we limit our ability to learn some of the lessons of history regarding our civilization that is at least 2000 years old.

All members of Western civilization should try to accurately answer questions like the following:

Why did Constantine make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire? What were the effects of his decision?

Why did the Christian Church split into the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church in AD 1000? What were the effects of this event?

Why were the Crusades fought? Can we learn any lessons from the Crusades that will help us in our fight against Islamic terrorists?

What were the Reformation and Counter-Reformation all about? How did a fight over Christianity contribute to the rise of the modern nation state?

Why are there so many references to the Bible in art, music and literature?

What role did Christianity play in the Scientific Revolution (Good and Bad)?

Why was the French Revolution so much more violent than the American Revolution?

Were all of the American Founding Fathers Christian? Deists? Or were there some of both?

Was Karl Marx correct in saying “religion is the opiate of the masses”?

How is it that Christianity both contributed to the rise and fall of slavery?

Even though we live in the 21st century with so many technological advances human nature has not changed and will not change. Therefore, we should try to learn the good and bad lessons of our history.

By faye

January 19, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

When I first heard this proposal, taken at face value, I thought it was a terrific idea.

Now, I admit, I am one of those annoying “spiritual, but not religious” people. Although raised Catholic, I am not a member of any particular church or faith anymore. I love when the History Channel and Discovery Channel have shows about Biblical archeaology or history or influence - I find it fascinating.

From the textbook I saw on TV, the class would not use a Bible. They would use an illustrated textbook, with passages from the Bible and examples of its influence. That, folks, ain’t Bible study. No fear there, IMHO.

It’s not much different than the Honors Lit book my daughter used that had passages from the Bible as well as texts like “The Epic of Gilgamesh.”

Biblical allegory is rampant in art and literature. “Dante’s Inferno” - try understanding that without a Bible (or a who’s who of medieval Italy). Art History? Those early artists needed to know all the sordid tales of the Bible like the rape of Susanna in order to get away with their classical nudity!

Our nation’s history is primarily that of Western civilization with some Judeo-Christianity topped on for good measure. Why deny it?

Stories and concepts that 15th through 19th century artists assumed were common knowledge are now only common to those who can afford a classical education.

Initially I thought, well, we could add books like the Koran - but that misses the point - this isn’t a class about religion’s influence; it’s about looking at the Bible’s influence as literature. The Koran didn’t influence our art, literature, or politics the same way. That doesn’t mean there couldn’t be another class created where its addition would be appropriate, though.

I said I liked the idea at face value, and I still do. I do worry about people taking this class and using it to promote their own agenda

By Kevin

January 19, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

I’m for the teaching any subject including religions - Notice the plural! However, like justifying prayer in school, if you allow one religous subject, you should allow others. So, teach Christianity balanced with Buddhism and others but don’t allow it to be the only religion course.

By Lorin Cranford

January 19, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

With state supported universities funding departments of religious studies where different religions, including Christianity, are studied academically, the offering of similar classes at the high school makes perfect sense — as long as they are elective and not required like the university level. In fact Gardner-Webb University in NC is launching a Master of Arts degree program next fall especially targeting the training of teachers to do this very thing with certification by the state of NC for those with high school teacher certification.

By Steve Wilson

January 19, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

It’s about time we return to what made our country great, our belief in GOD. We must not let the “minority” continue to take away our ability to pray in school and recite the Pledge of Alligence. Our children need this daily in our schools.There is nothing wrong with them returning to learning some morals and christian ethics in the school system.

By Ron

January 19, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

The Constitution DOES NOT have the words: “Separation of Church and State.” Read the Constitution. Amendment I The Constitution says:â€?Congress shall pass no law restricting the free exercise thereof (religion)…â€?

I have Nieces and Nephews in three separate counties in GA. SCHOOL PRAYER IS NOT ALLOWED in those three counties either. If prayer is allowed in Georgia Public schools someone please enlighten me as to where so my relatives can fight for the right to let there children pray in school.

Thanks to the ACLU the Supreme Court: Removed class devotional prayer 1963: Removed class devotional Bible reading 1973: Removed right to life of unborn 1980: Removed Ten Commandments from school 1987: Rejected requiring teaching Creation alongside Evolution.

Thanks again you for your time.

Ron “Let the words from my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy site O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.” Psalm 19:14

By Joshua

January 19, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

I am a high school literature teacher. Even though I believe that teaching the bible in public school would be a violation of the constitution, if the state told me I had to teach it to keep my job, I would. I would also be sure to point out every absurdity, every illogical, ridiculous, comic-book aspect of it. It’s time Americans emerged from the dark ages and stopped thinking like Islamic extremists. Enlightenment, not superstition.

By jodi

January 19, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Yes, we should have religous studies as an elective. However it should not be restricted to Christianity. A different religion could be offered each quarter as many other electives are - health, home economics, PE, etc. Our country was founded on Christian beliefs and that is what has made our country great. Our country entered a downward spiral into immorality when religion was taken out of our schools. All true religions teach morality, and with teen pregnancies, boys procreating but not standing by thier offspring, and school violence escalating, all of our children and Georgia students could benefit leanring morality that is not being taught in the homes. Ladies, Women, Girl women are not below men - Jesus Christ changed that neanderthal thinking and taught that women should be respected and honored.

By kuraigulee

January 19, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

I hear discussion about the Bible. The Quran. Buddha.

But nothing, nothing about the most holy Flying Spaghetti Monster. Perhaps you are not aware of our principles? Let me explain - below are excerpts from a letter our leader, Bobby Henderson, wrote to the Kansas School Board:

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. Interestingly, there is an inverse relationship between approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. In short, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Join us and be touched by his noodly appendage. www.venganza.org

By Julie

January 19, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Steve Wilson: You hit the nail on the head. Thank you! Lynn, Jim and all the other people who want to ignore God and keep living in a dream state can answer for it later. I love God. I pray daily. I’m not perfect, but I strive to live by HIS word, not the words of ignorant fools.

By John

January 19, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Yes, as a parent that sends some of his kids to private Christian school I think it should be “offered”.

Though it should not be mandatory or put above or below other classes on grade points.

It is the greatest history book ever written and helps you understand the things, in context, our great country was founded upon.

Such as Thanksgiving and why Lincoln made it a Federal holiday.

The Bible really enriches the history of our country and the world and unless you have read the Bible it is impossible to fully understand either our country or the rest of the world.

By jim

January 19, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Ron, I’m going to repost this FYI. If you know of children that are being denied their rights in this matter I suggest you hire an attorney. Because if they are, it sounds like money in the bank.

But what of the right of students to pray at school? Many people are under the mistaken impression that the prohibition against government-imposed prayers applies to students as well. Just like other forms of student expression, student religious speech is protected. As the Court explains in Tinker v. Des Moines, “students do not shed their constitutional rights when they enter the school house gate.� These “constitutional rights� include a student’s right to pray alone or in groups, as long as they are not disruptive to the school environment. To prevent students from engaging in such non-disruptive activities would violate both their free exercise of religion and free-speech rights.

Although Supreme Court rulings clarify many school-prayer issues, some areas of contention still exist. The establishment clause prohibits school officials from promoting or leading students in prayer. The free-exercise and free-speech clauses protect a student’s right to engage in religious speech, including prayer. So what should happen when a student engages in religious speech during a school-sponsored activity? In the case of Santa Fe v. Doe, the Supreme Court explained that when a school retains control over the location, schedule, and content of the student’s message, that message carries the imprimatur of the school.

Lower courts follow this principle by examining the level of control the school exercises over the actual speech in question. In the 2001 case of Adler v. Duval, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that if schools use neutral criteria in selecting a student speaker and that speaker is given a truly open forum to say whatever he or she wishes, then the school is merely accommodating the student’s free-speech right. But if a school retains the right to review and modify a student’s comments, the courts often find the student’s speech attributable to the school. This was the result in the 9th Circuit case of Cole v. Oroville Union High School District in 2000.

By jim

January 19, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

julie,

Thanks, its comforting to know ahead of time that god thinks i’m an ignorant fools.

By l

January 19, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

I guess parents are too lazy to go to church on Sunday that lawmakers have to use our hard earned tax money to create a “religion” class in public schools. It won’t fly. I remember learning about the bible AT CHURCH. It is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children about God, not the tax payers.

By Lawrence D.Pierce

January 19, 2006 07:54 PM | Link to this

RE:Categories: Bible in schools

Whatever happen to “Separation of Church and State.” As a child growing up in the South, the Bible was taught in Sunday school, not public schools. Now Lawmakers are wanting to add Bible study to classes. Our children are having a hard time reading, doing math and speaking English correctly, most can’t pass the standardize testing and most children are droping out of schools. The lawmakers are crossing into the lands of unconstitutional measures that will set lawsuits after lawsuits. It’s a bad idea.

By Jim

January 19, 2006 08:03 PM | Link to this

LOL no this just opens a can of worms and alot of legal problems at the tax payers expense.

By jalyn

January 19, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

Allow people the choice to take the class if the so wish.

By Oren

January 19, 2006 08:29 PM | Link to this

Wow…i don’t have time to read all the posts…but one thing is for certain: we Christians need to seriously study the Bible, and fully devote our lives to Jesus, so that God can use us to reach the lost. So many are ignorant of the Truth, and they don’t even realize God loves them. We cannot leave it up to the schools, or the government, or even the pastors and preachers. We must all allow God to use us. “The fields are white unto harvest…”

By John

January 19, 2006 08:42 PM | Link to this

This is why GA is always near the last in the country in high school test scores. Attempting creationist stickers on biology texts? Now Bible classes? The whole system is run by academic morons! They’ve never taken a science course in their lives!

It is shame that some children’s intellectual energy is poured down the drain of ridiculous mythology. Read and learn about the world at school. Follow blind dogma at the church of your choice.

If it can’t stand up to empirical scientific proof, then it doesn’t belong in public schools.

By Robet Cohen

January 19, 2006 08:43 PM | Link to this

I SAY IT SHOULD ALREADY BE A LAW TO TEACH THE BIBLE IN ALL SCHOOLS, THE SOONER THE BETTER FOR THIS COUNTRY. PASS IT TODAY. THANK YOU

By GWYN

January 19, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

Oh, what about the home schooled “Christian” who when he couldn’t have his way decided to kill his girl friend’s parents? Teaching the Bible will not “convert” some of these thugs and huligans. They will be the way they are because they want to be. They will be the way they are because they are the children of children. They are the children of under educated people with a “baby mama, baby daddy” mentality. These are children who can quote the latest filthy rap song but cannot speak to anyone in a complete sentence. These are those who want to walk around with their drawers showing and pants hanging below their behinds. No one would hire a person who presented themselves to an interview in that manner. If you taught the Bible every day nothing would change. Change comes to those who seek change. When young people change their “friends” and seek education instead of thinking that if you want to learn then, you’re trying to act “white”…or if you can hold a conversation without using “you know what I’m sayin”? Then, just maybe a start can be achieved. Teaching Bible in public schools is not going to change folks. This teaching needs to be taught in the home and in the religious facility of choice. EDUCATION IS THE KEY…NOT PREACHING.

By LaVonne Otwell

January 19, 2006 08:51 PM | Link to this

NO NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO! THIS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID AND A GESTURE MEANT TO PANDER TO THE RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS IN OUR MIDST WHO WANT TO ESTABLISH THEIR BRAND OF RELIGION ON EVERYONE, JUST LIKE IN THE MIDDLE EAST! THIS IS AMERICA, FOLKS, AND WE DON’T NEED ANOTHER KING GEORGE (ALTHOUGH WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO THINKS HE IS)AND THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM LEADING US DOWN A DARK AND DANGEROUS PATH; THAT FREEDOM FROM OPPRESIVE RELIGION IS WHAT OUR FOUNDERS FOUGHT AND DIED FOR. IF THESE SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS CAN’T TEACH THEIR CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES AND CHURCHES, THEN IT IS THEM WHO HAVE FAILED, NOT THE SCHOOLS, SO THEY CAN’T EXPECT THE SCHOOLS TO DO WHAT THEY CANNOT DO!

By Shannon

January 19, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

It is my understanding that it will be an ELECTIVE course - which means, NOT REQUIRED. If you don’t want to take it, then don’t, but do not hold it against those who want to broaden their horizons and learn other values by doing so.

By l

January 19, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

NO. We SHOULD have religion in our classrooms! There aren’t enough religious terrorist Christians yet! Georgia is a great state to provide this service. Eric Rudolf recommends it. We can have monthly meetings at our private compound like David Koresh. Or consul with Nichols about bombing goverment building for the sake of Christianity and God. We need more anti-government christian terrorist! Yea, right. Only in Georgia.

By John

January 19, 2006 09:06 PM | Link to this

Shannon, It will be payed for by public funds. That’s the problem.

By JudyB

January 19, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

It is obvious there is a huge division here and it doesn’t seem fair for those that aren’t in favor of it to have to pay the taxes that pay for this course to be offered. Paying school taxes is not an elective. Those who wish to have their children study the bible should find a place other than a public school.

By Shannon

January 19, 2006 09:10 PM | Link to this

John, I understand it will be paid for by public funds. I pay my taxes every November, to the tune of several thousand dollars, so I am happy something useful will be done with my money.

By Shannon

January 19, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

John, I understand it will be paid for with public funds. I pay my taxes every November, to the tune of several thousand dollars, so I am happy something useful will be done with my money.

By Anita

January 19, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

Learning about the Bible in a non-spiritual way is about as insane as learning about health from someone in the American Medical Association - it aint’ gonna happen!

By L. Waterman

January 19, 2006 09:19 PM | Link to this

Schools have sex education, why not have a class where morality is taught.

By carol j. dennis

January 19, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this

I have a suggestion for all of you enlightened, non-fundamentalist, well-educated liberals.

To solve this problem of so-called ‘seperation (it’s sePARation, for those liberals who can’t spell!!)of Church and State, can I practice my ‘religion’ at home by not being COERCED by the Almighty communal liberal institution (for us fundamentalists, the Public School System) to send my kids there if I so choose, as it is in direct conflict with my beliefs? I didn’t think so. You see, we are being forced to have our kids be indoctrinated by the Government, if we can’t afford private schools, which I would dare say that MOST of us can’t.

By carol j. dennis

January 19, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

I have a suggestion for all of you enlightened, non-fundamentalist, well-educated liberals.

To solve this problem of so-called ‘seperation (it’s sePARation, for those liberals who can’t spell!!)of Church and State, can I practice my ‘religion’ at home by not being COERCED by the Almighty communal liberal institution (for us fundamentalists, the Public School System) to send my kids there if I so choose, as it is in direct conflict with my beliefs? I didn’t think so. You see, we are being forced to have our kids be indoctrinated by the Government, if we can’t afford private schools, which I would dare to say that MOST of us can’t.

By John

January 19, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Dear Shannon, See Judy B above.

By carol j. dennis

January 19, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this

I— are you one of the ‘well-educated’ liberals they talk about in previous posts?

Where do you get your information? Sounds like mostly from the School of Hollywood, which makes Christians out to be lunatics and nuts.

I’m glad that California and New York are only states in the union with equal voices to mine in the elections and not monarchies like they’d like you to believe.

By carol j. dennis

January 19, 2006 10:00 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Didn’t you say that you believed that the Hindu religion was as valid as Christianity(maybe I read you wrong, please clarify)?

By carol j. dennis

January 19, 2006 10:03 PM | Link to this

Jim, you said:”…And furthermore(I) don’t hold any opinion of other religions being right or wrong. To each his own. “???

By JJ Johnson

January 19, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

If a school can teach how to put a rubber on a Banana I am sure a little Jesus education won’t hurt. When we took God out of school and installed metal detectors we went backwards. Been that way ever since. Maybe some morals and the Bible will reverse the downslide in public education

By Georgia Lit Teacher

January 19, 2006 10:58 PM | Link to this

Let’s see… The earth was created in seven days? Right… Man was made from a mound of dirt and woman from a man’s rib? Right… That’s much more logical than an organism changing over long periods of time. I guess Noah airlifted some polars bears from the north pole and swam to Austalia to pick up some kangaroos before the flood. Angels came down from heaven, had sex with humans and created offspring who were giants and monsters? Okay…These ideas are just as silly as those from the long extinguished Greek and Roman myths.

As for christian love and ideals? (thanks Bobbi)

“Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped upâ€? Hosea 13:16 (heartfelt biblical advice)

“Of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, OF THEM SHALL YE BUY, AND OF THEIR FAMILIES, and ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bondmen forever� Leviticus 25:44-46 (heritage, not hate?)

God also tells us that it is perfectly okay to beat your slaves to death, because they are the same as your money, to do with as you will. Exodus 21:20, 21 (ditto)

Your bible also teaches that the women of your enemy may be captured, raped, and then tossed out into the street like trash! Read it for yourself in Deut. 20:10-11, 13-14 (see Iraq)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him (virgins) keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17 (now that’s compassion)

Did you ever break the Sabbath? Your God says you should be put to death for it! Exodus 31:14, 15 (unless the Falcons are playing)

Lost your virginity before marriage? God says you should be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:20 (unless it’s your daughter who’s gone wild)

Why are christians the ones who are quickest to execute someone or send soldiers overseas to kill others and possibly die in the process? Bush and Cheney didn’t have the b@!!s to go themselves, but they’ll send someone else’s son.

Yes, christians are quite different from Islamic extremists- they have F-15’s.

So we have barbaric tendencies and absolutely ridiculous, illogical beliefs, based on a 3,000 year-old work of fiction written by humans who had barely emerged from their caves. Oh, please, please let me teach the bible in my high school literature class.

By jim

January 19, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this

nope not what i said Carol

I asked Will the schools then provide classes on Akaranga Sutra and Kalpa Sutra, primary texts of Jainism, a Hindu religion so that one can grasp the meaning of his writings.

And i believe I asked Carol How about the hindu beliefs? Are they bad too?

But yes I don’t hold any Opinion on other religions being right or wrong.

Oh, and JJ Johnson; When we took God out of school????????

Please go back and read my previous posts. You folks that believe we have dominion over god need to realize he’s every damn where and we have nothing to do with it. YES HE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN IN OUR SCHOOLS. Saying he’s not don’t make it so, and I’m really getting tired of telling y’all this.

By James

January 19, 2006 11:27 PM | Link to this

All these Bible = morals arguments imply that non-Bible (non-Christain) = immoral. My wife is Jewish and she’s the most generous, most moral person I’ve ever known. (You’d never know she’s Jewish because she keeps it to herself and her family.) Point is, I think there are many moral people of all faiths, and many immoral people of all faiths. So, to equate only the Bible/Christian with morals is a blind argument.

By Pete Westafer

January 19, 2006 11:44 PM | Link to this

A historical, comparative study of major world religions could be beneficial, but government authorization to teach one specific religious text - absolutely not!

By Here they go again

January 19, 2006 11:55 PM | Link to this

In response to Ron’s (6:11 p.m.) message:

“Thanks to the ACLU the Supreme Court: Removed class devotional prayer 1963: Removed class devotional Bible reading 1973: Removed right to life of unborn 1980: Removed Ten Commandments from school 1987: Rejected requiring teaching Creation alongside Evolution.”

Yes, Many THANKS to the ACLU! They are protecting the civil liberties of the rest of us from those who think that the only way to be good is to follow the Christian teachings of the bible.

Christians do not have a monopoly on values. You don’t need to be Christian to be a good, moral person. If the bible is the only thing that gets you there, than it is a pretty thin buffer.

By MK

January 20, 2006 12:01 AM | Link to this

As an agnostic high school student in a liberal northern university city, I studied the bible as what it is: Literature.

This course should be offered to teach the bible for what it is: a collection of stories. Examine the writing, examine what the writing meant to the times, and its impact on those who have read it. But it’s NOT history, and it’s NOT the words everyone thinks everyone should use to guide their lives.

By Denise

January 20, 2006 12:29 AM | Link to this

Why shouldn’t religion be approached from an academic standpoint in high school, why wait until college? Maybe if we started at a younger age, we could better teach diversity and tolerance. Maybe our kids just might learn to accept and respect other views and beliefs withought degrading and minimizing them. We don’t live in an all white or an all black or asian etc world, nor is it all Christian, or Jewish etc.

By CUBAN RAFTER

January 20, 2006 01:34 AM | Link to this

Excellent idea,I just escape Castro paradise island last year by 3 inner tubes with my wife and 2 kids,we risk our lives looking for freedom and a better life for my family,what a difference to my kids to learn about God,the Bible and Cristianity in school instead of the mandatory learning of marxism,atheism,comunist ideology,the daily worship of cuban dictator Castro on radio,tv,schools,newspapers,magazines,etc,here you had the opportunity to read,study and posses a bible,there you can go to jail f they caught you preaching in public,I think allowing bible study in Georgia schools is a wonderful blessing to the children of Georgia,that many kids in Cuba cannot even dream to have,what atheism blessing for cuban youths,alcolism,rampant suicide,no values,no hope,no guide or path for life,a loss generation,I wish some day cuban children can learn the bible in the classroom,many americans dont know how many blessings and opportunities they had!!

By Jeff

January 20, 2006 02:49 AM | Link to this

Some of you people make me laugh. You are so deathly afraid of kids in school being the least bit exposed to the Bible and ANY Christian, moral principles. Funny how 50 years ago, when people were not afraid to actually discuss Christianity in public, you did not have Columbine shootings, 14-year-olds raping other 14-year-olds, or middle school kids addicted to alcohol or crack or heroin. Do you think it’s just a COINCIDENCE that as the ACLU, wild-eyed liberals, and others have battled so hard to push the Christian faith out of public life and into the back alley, there has been such a rise in violence, sex crimes, drug addiction, and an overall lowering of our country’s moral standards? God, listen to yourselves… you are more afraid that a teacher might open the Bible and (gasp!) actually expose a kid to a set of moral values that he or she has not had before than you are a drug pusher or child molester on a school campus! No, Christians are not perfect, they don’t claim to be… nor is everyone who believes the Bible exempt from making mistakes in life. But until you people understand the 1st amendment does NOT separate church and state (it says the government cannot set up a “Church of the U.S.” that you have to attend), then any discussion falls on deaf ears with you. You are paranoid of having a little bit of Christian values seep into the public, and that’s sad. God FORBID we have a few more people around the planet who are kind, loving, generous, who don’t believe in immoral sex or becoming addicted to substances, and who believe in gentleness and bettering themselves, not violence and the do-whatever-the-hell-you-want-if-it-makes-you-feel-good-because-YOU-are-the-only-one-that-matters attitude. With the way this country has been swinging to the left for the last 30 or 40 years, a little moving back to the center might actually be good for us. And hey, if YOU think it’s o.k. to push evolution-is-truth and other liberal or agnostic beliefs, then why is it NOT o.k. to balance that out with some Christian beliefs every now and then? Our generations in this nation are getting gradually weaker… we need to go back to some of the values of our grandparents in the 30s and 40s… THEY had some backbone and moral fiber. We are a bunch of whining, sniveling little brats these days, with bad manners and poor moral values. Maybe we could all use a little more Sunday School every now and then.

By gerard addison

January 20, 2006 03:23 AM | Link to this

yes this is good.

By Tammy Osborne

January 20, 2006 03:50 AM | Link to this

I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL!!! MY RESPECT FOR YOU, SENATOR DOUG STONER, IS GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS! IT”S ABOUT TIME!!!

By Dave Hudson

January 20, 2006 07:56 AM | Link to this

I agree with MK. Offer the Bible as literature. It doesn’t reall ymatter what you believe as it is just that. A belief. If you one has interest in the Bible is it so outlandish to - oh - go to Church to learn about it?

And Jeff, maybe you too are right. While we are on the subject of indoctrinating our kids into a moral set you deem worthwhile, why not include the teachings of Buddha? There many bits of wisdom in Eastern cultures we could morally benefit from. Heck, even Anton Levey made some valid moral arguments. For the sake of morality , of course. I bet you are shaking your head aren’t you?

When are you people going to realize that the religions place is in tyour place of worship. Not my child’s place of learning? Maybe we should rename it from the Bible Belt to the bible noose.

By Miryam

January 20, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

When we’re talking about the Bible, we’re also talking about the Torah and Tanach. The first five books of the Bible are the Torah. And that, along with the rest of the Old Testament, is the Tanach.

I agree with Oren. I am also a follower of Messiah Yeshua (Jesus), and I don’t believe that G-d’s Word should be taught by people who should be studying it themselves.

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

I’ve finally drawn the conclusion that Stoner must have been Stoned to propose such legislation.

By Amy

January 20, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

I am taking a world lit class right now. We are studying Gilgamesh and the comparisions with those stories and the differences between the bible and these stories. I think if the class is taught correctly it would be a great class, because the stories from the bible are a great starting point for much literature.

By Ga. Parent

January 20, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

In a state sponsored Bible class should the following text be taught?

That which you have been given is but a fleeting comfort of this life. Better and more enduring is that which God has for those who believe and put their trust in Him; who avoid gross sins and indecencies and, when angered, are willing to forgive; who obey their Lord, attend to their prayers, and conduct their affairs by mutual consent; who bestow in money or food, given freely, to relieve the poor a part of that which We have given them and, when oppressed, seek to redress their wrongs

By Robert Hathorn

January 20, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Let all agree on one simple thing, OK? Let all agree that there may or may not be a Higher Supreme being out in the universe regardless of your religion. There is one certain thing we all must face—DEATH. When we are all in our grave, that Higher Surpreme being will judge us. And guess what, whether you all believe it or not, that Higher Suopreme being controls your souls. So, in the full scope of your beliefs. You all are not certain if there is a GOD or not. So, allow the Bible or any religious book to be taugh in school as long as the children respect a Higher Supreme being. Do we all agree?

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Robert, I seriously doubt it. If everyone agreed there’d be no messages in this blog.

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Robert, I’m a bit confused with your post, can you explain?

You stated ” Let all agree on one simple thing, OK? Let all agree that there may or may not be a Higher Supreme being out in the universe”

Then go on to emphatically indicate there is such a being. Since can’t even agree with yourself how in the world could one expect others to agree?

By Jason

January 20, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

I believe the Bible has no place in public schools outside of mentions in history class. There may also be a place for the Bible if the school happens to be a magnet school with advanced philosophy studies.

At the same time, other religious texts should be treated with equal regard. I don’t believe the Quran, Tora, Satanic Bible, Witch’s Bible, Sacred Texts of Hinduism, etc. should be taught in school. It must be all or none. This is America, not some theocratic nation like Iran.

By Charles

January 20, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

It will be impossible to teach the Bible objectively and as literature rather than a religious text. It will be a religious course and an unconstitutional use of state funds.

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Charles, I tend to agree. I think it would be next to impossible to separate religion from the bible since the entire doctrine of christianity is based on biblical text.

By Robert Hathorn

January 20, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Dear Jim Dumond,

If you read my comment very careful, it clearly speaks for itself. Do you agree or disagree if there is a HIGHER SUPREME BEING?

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

No argument from me on that question.

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Here’s an interesting article that mentions many of the issues being discussed here.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ps_bibl1.htm

By cynic

January 20, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Lynn Lawson, in all fairness, you pay for a ton of classes that your kid will never take or need. your child can’t possibly take every elective offered at some schools, which can range from advanced placement sciences that every kid doesn’t take to automotive repair or even horticulture.

By Tiffany

January 20, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I feel that the Bible is the most dangerous book in the world. Yes….I said it. You can talk to 10 different people concerning one verse, and I guarantee, you will hear conflicting opinions on what it should mean. Getting a good understanding of the Bible doesn’t come from the government, church, nor a course being taught in school….It comes from your relationship with your higher power….whomever it is.

By jim dumond

January 20, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

when all is said and done. bottom line concern I think for most people is “Government Control”.

Personally I’m not prepared to hand off instruction of my child in these matters to the government, nor am I willing to indorse them instructing your child in these matters.

You birthed them, you raise them.

By Robert

January 20, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Jim, Heather, Blindhomer,

First, as far as the legal issues. I have no doubt this will be litigated at some level. All that I stated was that the Supreme Court has already weighed in on this matter. The representatives that have proposed this have gone on record that they contructed the bill to mirror legislation that has already been challenged in the court system and has been upheld. So if the representative truly did that then the legislation would not be in trouble. This is in no way related to the “Intelligent Design” cases. The courts have ruled much differently on that issue.

Secondly, my point about choosing a God and sticking with Him or Her. Is just about being honest with ourselves. I would not expect a devout Muslim to acknowledge the God of the Old Testament. Islam clearly teaches one God and that God is Allah. I will absolutely respect that individuals right to worship Allah. I would also be equally disappointed if that person pandered to people by saying that we can all worship our on God. When they clearly do not believe I am worshipping God. I think that is a pretty simple concept.

Obviously this is not the forum for the debate of the Trinity, but I still believe if there is a supreme being, there can be only one supreme being. If there are many them one would not be supreme.

Lastly, these are blogs. These are not scholarly journal or papers. To assess someones intellectual ability based on a misspelling or lack of use of a comma is probably less than fair. I would assume that many people are quickly communicating their opinions so they can get back to work and their lives. I see nothing in BlindHomers remarks that demonstrates any level of scholarship that is above anyone of the other 592 post on this particular topic.

By brabus

January 20, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Robert, you can’t prove the existence of God. Therefore, there are a lot of people who don’t believe there is one God. There are also a lot of people who believe there is no God.

By Anne

January 21, 2006 04:32 AM | Link to this

After reading the above comments, I can’t believe the attitude of so many people insofar as worshiping God. No wonder this country is in the condition that it’s in; we have so many non-believers today until it’s pathetic. Our schools and country were in much better condition when prayer was said in schools and vespers was conducted on college campuses in the afternoon. Yes, this country was founded on Christian principles - not Muslim or any other religion - so lets get back to it and from the comments that I read we need to expedite the return. May God help some of these people who are non-believers.

By Christen

January 21, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

I think it is a great idea. If you don’t want to participate, you don’t have to. Those who do, will have the opportunity.

By Robert

January 21, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Oh absolutely!

We NEED the Bible in our schools! Maybe then, our children will learn of the Bible verses that our preachers, pastors and priests don’t talk about from the pulpit. You know, the ones that are never mentioned in “polite society”.

Verses like the following:

Judah pays for the services of a prostitute, who turns out to be his daughter in law in Genesis 38: 12-30);

Lot’s daughters want to be pregnant, and since there are no available men about, they get their father drunk and have sex with him, becoming pregnant by their father in Genesis 20: 32-36……..

Lot entertains two “angels” in his home, but when the male sodomites beat on his door and demand he send out the angels to be raped by them, lot begs that they leave them be and take his two virgin daughters instead and “do to them as is good in your eyes” in Genesis 19: 1-8………

They can even find a “drugs for sex” story in Genesis 30 14-17!

Abraham admits that his wife is also his half sister in Genesis 21:12

If a man finds an unmarried virgin, and rapes her, and the virgins family finds out, the rapist pays the victim’s family 50 sheckels, and then marries her! Deuteronomy 22:28

Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel:

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters Jeremiah 20:9

Absalom rapes his sister Tamar, and is then murdered on the order of his brother Absalom in 2Samuel 13

They can even read of eating your own dung and drinking your own p** in Isaiah 36:12

Our high school children NEED to study this book to see it for what it truly is, then file it on the shelf right beside the writings of the Marquis de Sade.

By Tracy Owens

January 21, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

YES!YES! We definately need the BIBLE back in the public school system. We see today how our schools have turned out when one person was allowed to take the Bible and Prayer out of the public schools. When I went to public school we did not have problems with kids being shot or stabbed, now the public school system has been turned upside down just because GOD was taken out let’s put him back in the public school. You have my vote and approval.

By Hope

January 21, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

I think that is is a great way to teach kids about God. Even if it is in a non-doctrinal, non-preaching manner. God will be introduced to our kids and He will move.

By DIANE HOWARD

January 21, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

THIS IS WONDERFUL - PRAISE THE LORD!!!

By Ga Lit Teacher

January 21, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Let’s see… The earth was created in seven days? Right… Man was made from a mound of dirt and woman from a man’s rib? Right… That’s much more logical than an organism changing over long periods of time. I guess Noah airlifted some polar bears from the north pole and swam to Australia to pick up some kangaroos before the flood. Angels came down from heaven, had sex with humans and created offspring who were giants and monsters? Okay…These ideas are just as silly as those from the long extinguished Greek and Roman myths.

As for christian love and ideals? (thanks Bobbi)

“Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up� Hosea 13:16 (heartfelt biblical advice)

“Of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, OF THEM SHALL YE BUY, AND OF THEIR FAMILIES, and ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your bondmen forever� Leviticus 25:44-46 (heritage, not hate?)

God also tells us that it is perfectly okay to beat your slaves to death, because they are the same as your money, to do with as you will. Exodus 21:20, 21 (ditto)

Your bible also teaches that the women of your enemy may be captured, raped, and then tossed out into the street like trash! Read it for yourself in Deut. 20:10-11, 13-14 (see Iraq)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him (virgins) keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17 (now that’s compassion)

Did you ever break the Sabbath? Your God says you should be put to death for it! Exodus 31:14, 15 (unless the Falcons are playing)

Lost your virginity before marriage? God says you should be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:20 (unless it’s your daughter who’s gone wild)

Why are christians the ones who are quickest to execute someone or send soldiers overseas to kill others and possibly die in the process? Bush and Cheney didn’t have the b@!!s to go themselves, but they’ll send someone else’s son.

Yes, christians are quite different from Islamic extremists- the christians have F-15’s.

So we have barbaric tendencies and absolutely ridiculous, illogical beliefs, based on a 3,000 year-old work of fiction written by humans who had barely emerged from their caves. Oh, please, please let me teach the bible in my high school literature class. It would be some of the most valuable education the students will ever be exposed to.

By Jeremy

January 21, 2006 11:22 PM | Link to this

Teaching Bible as an elective is a fantastic idea. Why not? The Bible is the most read work in history. To exclude the study of the Bible is not protecting religious freedom but secular ignorance.

By jim dumond

January 22, 2006 05:14 AM | Link to this

Tracy Owens.

GOD, Prayer & the bible have NEVER LEFT THE SCHOOLS.

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND? WHY DO YOU KEEP REPEATING A LIE?

By Marian

January 22, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Yes, Everyone needs to hear the truth and be able to decide about their eternal destination. Many young people die before having that chance. Please give it a try. The truth will set them free.

By PAT

January 23, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

THE BIBLE IS CERTAINLY HISTORY AND SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS. GOD NEEDS TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS.

By Andrea

January 23, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Taking bible study in the school is a great thing,Because then your giving the children education about god,which is a stearn foundation in life. See society always says that we can do what we want and that is not true,because there are life rules that should not be broke,because there is a price to pay.But these kids don’t find out about hope until the crime is committed and they have to pay the price of breaking a rule.We owe these children this especially the people of god, because without us teaching the kids morals,vaules and intergrity they have no life.What is society are the govenment scared of if they don’t beleive?

By jim dumond

January 24, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

PAT,

The Bible IS NOT CERTAINLY History!

It CERTAINLY is LITERATURE and as literature students are being exposed to it in schools now in language arts class. (at least in 10th grade in Gwinnett)

IMHO we do not need legislation to force it to be taught as history

By jim dumond

January 24, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Andrea, what you want taught would be a violation of law. You’re not even advocating it be falsely taught as history. You appear to want it taught as doctrine to save souls. Why are you having a problem understanding that that would be against the law and fail all 3 prongs of the lemon test?

By Kevin

January 24, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

To the Ga Lit Teacher, it is funny that all of your qoutes come from the Old Testament. If you read the New Testament you will find out why they are called Old and New. The New Testament is meant to be the teaching that Christians should follow. The New Testament shows us what Jesus. He taught against slavery, against stoning adulterers, against any violence whatsoever. Read the New Testament and you will find out just how loving our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is. And the reason Bush and Cheney aren’t out there is because Clinton wouldn’t go, Bush Sr. wouldn’t, JFK wouldn’t, L. B. Johnson wouldn’t, Roosevelt wouldn’t, and Truman wouldn’t.

By Kevin

January 24, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

To the Ga Lit Teacher, it is funny that all of your qoutes come from the Old Testament. If you read the New Testament you will find out why they are called Old and New. The New Testament is meant to be the teaching that Christians should follow. The New Testament shows us what Jesus taught. He taught against slavery, against stoning adulterers, against any violence whatsoever. Read the New Testament and you will find out just how loving our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is. And the reason Bush and Cheney aren’t out there is because Clinton wouldn’t go, Bush Sr. wouldn’t, JFK wouldn’t, L. B. Johnson wouldn’t, Roosevelt wouldn’t, and Truman wouldn’t.

By Scuse me

January 24, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Kevin, I’m confused. I keep hearing the bible is history, that it is the infallible word of God. That being said, did Jesus disagree with the word of God or did God change his mind? and if God changed his mind and Jesus made man aware of those changes, Why do christians still hold on to the old testament and want it taught in our schools if God threw it out with the comming of Jesus?

Just curious.

By tyrone johnson

January 24, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

The Bible is absolutely the most historical and accurate account of man’s development. I not only think we should incorporate the Bible into the mainstream, educational setting, but I think the absence of it is a injustice to today’s youth. Sure - I understand that the teachings of Poe, Shakespear, and other great writers are important, but they simply fail in comparasion to the wealth of educational and moral development that the Bible offers in the educational sector. From a moral standpoint, our young men and women in the school systems are experiencing an all time low in ethical and moral development. Incorporating the Bible in today’s educational environment would help to create a sense of right and wrong among our young folks; without which, we are are doom to suffer the ills of a lost society.

Tyrone

By jim dumond

January 25, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

No, No, no Tyrone, Much of the hstory of the Bible is unvarifiable. What would be your problem with leaving it where it is in literature? Why must it be taught as history when it is already being explored in literature classes across the country?

I’m really getting the feeling that those pushing for it to be taught as history are the same group of people that have pushed for creationisim and ID as science rather than phiosophy.

Exactly what difference does it make?

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January 26, 2006 07:15 AM | Link to this

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By Robyn

January 28, 2006 10:36 PM | Link to this

Why are so many people afraid to let the Bible be taught in our public schools as literature. It in fact is the most read book out there. Are people afraid that maybe some of the kids might get some kind of message out of it like love your neighbors, be kind to one another, the simple moriality that’s missing today? Our country was founded on the Bible, it’s high time that kids relize this. Maybe we could get back to the simple message the Bible teaches, PEACE ON EARTH AND GOODWILL TOWARD MEN. God Bless, Robyn

By Robindaveport

January 30, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Why not let the children learn about the Bible? Is it not our duties as Parents to educate our children in all areas of life? I feel that the Parents that were not raised with a religious background are those that are opposed to it. We know that these children are our future and they need to know that they derived from a world outside of mom & dad. If we can allow our kids to take sex education in school and learn about their bodies then why can’t they learn where they came from? Jesus died for our sins and all He is that we obey his fathers commandments, is that not what we ask of our children- that they obey us. Parents please lets stop making everything so political. An elective class in the study of the Bible can not do anyone in harm.. I mean we call on him we our children are in trouble right? Please people make a right choice.