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When diversity clashes with morality in the workplace

After the recent California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages in the state, a number of county clerk employees responsible for officiating weddings refused to perform that duty for same-sex couples based upon moral or religious grounds. Their supervisors have stated these employees will be reassigned, as they can’t choose to only conduct heterosexual weddings. In this L.A. Times story, we see that some wedding vendors are opting out of a good paying gig based upon their opposition to gay marriage.

In light of the Atlanta Pride Festival this weekend, we thought we’d tackle this touchy subject. The California gay marriage ruling clearly illustrates there are situations in which an employee feels their moral convictions are being violated. How much should the employer be responsible for trying to weave together the diverse backgrounds of its staff members?

How important are your moral or spiritual beliefs when it comes to your career? Can you separate the two and work with others you find morally objectionable or would you pass up a good job opportunity because you could not work effectively with openly gay employees or serve openly gay customers? On the flip side, if a co-worker or a place where you do business objected to your sexual orientation, what would you do?

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By FRANKLEEDARLING

July 2, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Hate and bigotry are not a MORAL values keep them to yourself.

By Rodrick Dewberry

July 2, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Who cares. Let folks get married if they want.

HOWEVER…

Disagreeing with someone’s opinion or lifestyle does not mean they hate or are a bigot. You’re an idiot FRANKLEEDARLING. It is possible to disagree without being a bigot, kind of like how I don’t like you b/c you’re stupid. It doesn’t make me a bigot-except against stupidity.

By Brian

July 2, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

I think it is pretty simple. If the owner of the business tells you that you either will or will not participate in the activity, then you must abide by his or wishes else you find a new job.

By zeke

July 2, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Diversity. What a useless reason to do anything! This is only the latest method of socialist liberals trying to force their own twisted views on the rest of us! Diversity causes crime, war, hatred and many other things not good for the human race! In all cases, jobs, sports, religion and government, diversity has no place, only criteria is that the most qualified are accepted for various positions! Do not think so? Then here is a formula that creates diversity:

Football, Basketball, Baseball

- 74% Caucasian - 13% Hispanic - 12% African - 1% Other

Same with all government jobs like the postal service. Think that will fly! Hell no, it does not meet the agenda of our socialist liberal parties!

By Get it Right

July 2, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

I easily acknowledge and respect the beliefs of others in the workplace, but noone has the authority to require me to accept it as correct and/or approve of it. Freedom allows us to have an opinion. Freedom allows us to disagree and discuss our differences. Socialism/Facism/Communism forces us to believe what the state requires us to believe. Socialism/Facism/Communism does not allow discussion and dissent. I like freedom better. Nobama.

By Kimberly

July 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Kinda like the moral/religious conflict faced by pharmacists told to fill a prescription for a morning-after pill for some girl who just got raped, because they’re “pro-life”?

Same game, different players. Let homosexual people get married without your religious BS thrown in the mix, already. Most of them do a better job with lasting relationships than oh, say, Jim & Tammy Faye, or better yet, Britney and K-Fed!

By jakesdad

July 2, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

I don’t think the state has an obligation to reassign them. they’re agents of state government refusing to perform lawful marriages on grounds that are clearly prohibited under CA law (discrimination on sexual orientation) - they should be fired, period! why is this being tolerated?

if clergy of various faiths don’t want to do it I’m inclined to respect their wishes (I wouldn’t expect a Rabbai or Imam to marry a Catholic couple either) but government employees most assuredly DO NOT have the right to ignore laws and/or court decisions they don’t like.

sorry but this is pretty clear cut…

By SAR

July 2, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

How do your know the sexuality of a co-worked unless there is something obvious such as being married with kids and even then, you really don’t know the true sexuality of the person. I am straight yet I never announce my name and then do a follow up with my sexual orientation. Who cares? I don’t understand how anyone could be so upset by another persons sexuality that you feel as if you couldn’t work along side them. In that case, perhaps Iran might be a better place for you to move to and lose all your personal freedoms on Monday then your head on Tuesday.

By JW

July 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

It’s aslippery slope. Where do you draw the line? FOr the government worker, if its legal, they should do it or leave. If you feel that strongly, get another job. What next, someone doesn’t like unwed mothers? Or maybe diabled people make you uncomfortable.

I remember Woolworth’s didn’t like to serve Blacks in their stores. Where are they today? Get my point?

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

If your morality will not allow you to conduct legal actions required by the job, find another job.

By JW

July 2, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

zeke wrote:

July 2, 2008 8:48 AM

Diversity. What a useless reason to do anything! This is only the latest method of socialist liberals trying to force their own twisted views on the rest of us! Diversity causes crime, war, hatred and many other things not good for the human race! In all cases, jobs, sports, religion and government, diversity has no place, only criteria is that the most qualified are accepted for various positions! Do not think so? Then here is a formula that creates diversity:

Football, Basketball, Baseball

  • 74% Caucasian - 13% Hispanic - 12% African - 1% Other Same with all government jobs like the postal service. Think that will fly! Hell no, it does not meet the agenda of our socialist liberal parties!

Quite a tirade! Did some take your lunch money or steal yor girlfriend. Have you been watching too much Fox news? There is a real world out their (including one where caucasians are the minority). Read a book, get some facts. Most importantly, be careful what you wish for. The 2010 census may show that the very minorities you seak against are the the new majority.

By Edward

July 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

“Get It Right” must be a politician because he/she wrote an entire paragraph that never really stated anything relevant to the question at hand, but instead was some right-wing rant copied from a talk-radio playbook.

Anyone should be free to disagree with, or even not approve of, a coworker or customer for whatever reason they see fit. However, if your position is a government one, your beliefs or opinions cannot dictate who you work with or serve. If you are not comfortable with that limitation, you should seek other employment in the private sector where you can practice your beliefs as you see fit. Also, in the private sector, if your employer says that serving everyone, including those you don’t like, is part of your job, and you fail to adhere to that part of your job description, then you’re neglecting your duties and should expect to be fired. Simple as that.

While everyone is free to have their beliefs and opinions, you’re not guaranteed that others must agree with you or even accommodate you.

By Sobecat

July 2, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Whether or not I believe in gay marriage, if it’s the law and I refuse to do my job then I should be fired.

By dee

July 2, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

TO KIM: I resent your comment about religious BS. Because you have high standards for yourself has not a lot to do with religion. What are you afraid of? Your TPT attitude might be tarnished?

By Sobecat

July 2, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

A truly religious person wouldn’t care anyway. It’s only the people that are taught hate through some facade of religion that care.

By Jason

July 2, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

I might give credence to the whole “sanctity of marriage” argument if divorce were banned and adultery were illegal. Since they’re not—and are actually accepted, expected, even glamorized by our culture—marriage remains a ceremony of hollow symbolism, followed by a change in tax status.

Arbitrarily picking and choosing what constitutes immorality is ignorant and hypocritical.

By VAGuy

July 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Zeke, I might be able to appreciate your diatribe if you made sense. Diversity is a liberal concept? It’s socialist? I would ask you to explain your comments (nonsense) but it appears that you don’t possess the skill to do so. If you do not perform your assigned duties as an employee, you can be fired. I think it’s called insubordination. I certainly understand an individual not wanting to perform the ceremonies based on moral/religious reasons, but you shouldn’t expect to be accomodated when you won’t accomodate others. I bet these folks officiate ceremonies for thieves and adulterers, but become moralistic with regard to gays. Don’t be selective, folks. If you deprive one group of sinners then you should not perform ceremonies for others. Come to think of it, should someone have officiated at your wedding, sinner?

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Gay marriage is an oxymoron. Doesn’t make any sense. The dictionary defines it as between a man and a woman. Period. I’m still confused as to what gays actually celebrate. Actually, more people should quit working for the state anyway. Waste of time and money.

By dee

July 2, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

It’s funny how people rationalize their behavior by turning it around on others. When everything is okay to everybody, crime will soar and life will deteriorate. You get what you give out.

By Nita

July 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

People have the choice to be an do whatever they want. I have been an event& wedding planner for 20 years. Due to my beliefs, I will not coordinate a same sex wedding or commitment service. I am very upfront with them and do not make excuses. I do not condemn them or try to change them; I simply state what I will not do. Have I been taking to court? Yes; and I have won every time because it is my business and I do not have to do anything that will go against my belief system. With that said; if you work for an employer that will require you do something that goes against your beliefs, TALK with your boss and see if you can reassigned to a new department, if not find a new job, it is that simply.

By T

July 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

Have you picked out your outfit for the parade Sunday? Loved the one you wore last year.

By Sobecat

July 2, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

I agree dee, they should probably should just criminalize all forms of marriage, straight or otherwise. It’s all a farce.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Nita, Right on! It’s always stupid liberals who try to force themselves on everyone. 13 states voted down the gay marriage ban in 04. People do not want gay marriage.

By JohnF

July 2, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Fortunately, in the not too distant future, hopefully when CommunistAJC is long dead , when someone reads the dictionary it will have the proper meaning of marriage…a civil and/or religious contract between two consenting adults who have committed their lives together.

Who cares if you get it or not, the question of the blog is if someone has a right to decline the duties of their job because of their “moral” convictions. The answer is no..not in the public sector.

By Rosie O'Donnell

July 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

If Nita married Moby Dick, what would her name be? Relax Nita, stick to making your hideous and awful tasting cakes and then come on up to the real world. You obviously have never worked in Corporate Amercia before making your little cakes Betty Crocker. If you tell your boss you don’t want to work to a gay person, most will replace your tired dumb old arse before you can gulp down those dry, awful cakes you make….Nita.

By Sobecat

July 2, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

JohnF, most dictionaries already include same-sex marriage as marriage. The rednecks just happened to use their dictionary to prop up their mobile home. And lol at Communtist, if California allows it, then California allows it.

By Lee

July 2, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

While I commend these individuals for taking a stand for their beliefs, the fact remains that California passed a law legalizing homosexual marriage and as public servants, they are required to do so.

By SAG

July 2, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

With opposite sex marriages just about to hit the 56% rate of divorce and overwhelmingly more married so called straight men molest children than gay men do or women do, how’s that straight only marriage thing working for you all? Some people are too stupid to realize that they’re really, really stupid. Jez, I so wish I could live and survive in a cocoon of stupidity all my life and go around thinking I am normal. It must be nice to be so stupid. I’m jealous.

By JohnF

July 2, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

It is always interesting to me to hear people like CommieAJC make base statements about the sexual activities of two same sex partner.

When someone tells me that he’s going to marry his girlfriend, my first mental picture is not how the two have sex.

Why does CommunistAJC fixate on the sexual activitity of two people, and why does he immediately reference male same-sex sexual activity?

You’ve got a little inner self work to do bud…I think you’ve got some latency issues to work out.

Remember, repulsion and attraction are really two different versions of the same emotion…the opposite emotion is apathy..think about it.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

T, I was too busy nailing my wife to care about the parade.

By Sarah

July 2, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Nita, there’s a limit on how many times you can misuse a simicolon, you passed the mark. But, I am impressed you figured out to bold a word. Your public school education my tax dollars paid for finally paid off for you. Let me guess, doublewide? Nope, singlewide; still on wheels! lol

By Dean

July 2, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Performing a gay marriage is entirely different from serving a gay person a meal or selling them a shirt. No reasonable person can say that, because someone is gay, they shouldn’t eat or wear clothes. Many reasonable people believe, due to legitimate religious teachings, that because someone is gay, he shouldn’t marry.

Therefore, selling a hamburger or a shirt isn’t fraught with any moral qualms — it’s just part of everyday life. No religion I’m aware of holds that interacting with gay people is a sin — it’s their personal behavior, outside of their public life, that’s the sin. If someone has a problem selling a shirt to a gay person, they need to seriously reconsider. It’s certainly not a Christian teaching.

Performing a marriage for people you don’t think can be married, however, is a very different thing. Whether the government believes it or not, marriage is a sacrament in most religions. Requiring someone to perform that sacrament for people who are not entitled to it places them in a serious moral quandary — marry someone you believe God forbids to marry, or refuse to perform the sacrament and put your job at risk?

People may think this is a false quandary, but that’s because you don’t share their values and beliefs. If you’re a serious environmentalist, you probably wouldn’t be willing to drive the tractor and tear down an old growth forest to build an office park. If you’re a committed vegan, you wouldn’t be willing to “take one for the team” and share a steak dinner with a major client. Now, imagine they’ve changed your job duties to require you to spit on every customer that comes through the door. You, because of your value system, believe that’s a terrible way to treat other human beings. You refuse to do that. They say you spit or it’s your job. I’m not saying that you should be able to force your employer to change its policy — it’s their call. But your job has changed in a way that is requiring you to violate your moral code, and if you’re serious about your moral code, it has to win.

By Sobecat

July 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Me too Communist.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Sobecat, The state didn’t vote on it. Judges did and thats why people are p** about it. It’s nothing more than three little California dictators that have decided the law. 13 states voted it down in 04. People don’t want gay marriage because it is meaningless garbage.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Dean, Well said.

By T

July 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Does that mean we wont see you at Blakes in drag this year? Darn, your Cher proformance was fabulous. However, the boys said maybe use a little more nair this time. Then those fish nets will fit better.

By T

July 2, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

Does that mean we are not going to see you at Blakes in drag this year? Darn, the Cher proformance you did was Fabulous! The boys said maybe use a little more Nair this thime. Then the fish nets will fit better.

By Rosie O'Donnell

July 2, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC, aka as angry teenyweenie, don’t get made because my women are hotter than yours. I am also very , very rich. CommunisticAJC you yourself have had homosexual sex and you know it. Now, run along and go to work. Myself, I won’t love long enough to spend all my money and I just may take your woman away and have her clean my bathrooms, all 16 of them…then I will have wild sex with her and get her to do something you have never been able to have her do, have an orgasm.

By C

July 2, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

T, Nope. Never have never will. Have fun at the free clinic getting your anal warts looked at.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

I wonder what would happen if the preacher at your local Baptist church while up in the pulpit announced that women could not worship with men. It’s his morality. Would you expect the church to keep him in place or remove him because his morality is not that of the church at large?

I have my own set of moral neliefs and because of that, there are certain places where I would not work. Gentlemen’s clubs come to mind. I wouldn’t get a job there and then decide that I had problemns with nudity and expect the owner to accommodate.

By T

July 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

C

As long as you still love me I wont be mad about that. Should we now tell your wife?

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this

Rosie O’Donnell, Whew…It’s a good thing I don’t think 400lb whales are hot. Otherwise I’d be in trouble. I’ve been married for some time so I don’t know how you associate me with gay sex. Thanks for trying though. How’s life in the unemployment line? As I told T, have fun at the free clinic getting your anal herpes looked at.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

lovelyliz, have you ever been to a Baptist Church? My assumption is no because you seem to make comments based on “what ifs.” By the way, preachers usually make church and moral decisions based out the New Testament. And, homosexuality is written about in old and new testament. Without morals we are all animals. And homosexuality proves that.

T, Uh, you’re really confused my lost comrade.

By time for the awkward but fair truth

July 2, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

Screeching hate filled bigoted mincing homosexuals who like true goose stepping leftist fascists demand UNWAVERING TOTAL ACCEPTANCE are just the latest sick liberal plague on decent society.

To wittily paraphrase Herman “sweetie’ Goering, one of the numerous homosexuals in Nazi Germany: venever I hear ze vord diversity I reach for my revolver. Diversity and the uber intolerant fascistic lemming like political correctness that accompanies it is just about the most vile thing - in a long long deeply shameful list - that lefties have puked up in their desperate attempts to hysterically regiment normal folks.

If a mincing homosexual, in private, wants to cheerily bounce on the buttocks of another man - within the laws of the land - fine. Each to their own perversions, just so long as its legal. But DO NOT EVER expect normal decent folks to accept this unnatural perversion as normal.

The pretty sick menagerie that nowadays slithers onto the streets annually in the name of homosexuality is as repugnant as it gets. If there were just ordinary homosexuals and the usual decidedly butch manly lesbians mincing in the street few normal ordinary folks would care or waste any effort condemning it.

But these days the anally retentive transexual weirdos and the rabidly noxious cross dressing perverts and the rest of the extreme S & M leather crowd etc has psychotically sullied the annual homosexual parade to the point that most normal folks are repelled and deeply nauseated by the shrill screeching homo-fascists demanding their queeralicious ways be accepted as the norm.

So called homosexual marriage is the latest bestial bollocks that ever more shrill homosexuals have puked up in their desperate lemming like rush to be approved and accepted.

Civil unions are reasonable enough in this day and age. That is sufficiently tolerant for ANYONE normal and reasonable.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

By time for the awkward but fair truth So called homosexual marriage is the latest bestial bollocks

I thought heterosexual divorce was doing that.

And besides, the topic isn’t what is moral and not moral, but what is legal. You can believe soemone is going to hell for using artificial birth control, but if you work in a pharmacy, you had better be willing to dispense this legally prescribed pharmaceutical.

If the government forces it’s employees whose who don’t believe in divorce to perform a legal marriage ceremony for someone who has already been divorced, so be it.

If a feminist working for the government doesn’t believe that women under the age of 25 should get married and and a couple of just graduated high school sweetheart come to her for a marriage license she had better well provide one.

If you don’t believe in inter-racial or inter religious marriage, go stupidly forward, but if you work for the government and these people want you to perform a legal service, you had better be willing to do it or look for work elsewhere.

By T

July 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

Actually, I am just entertained by your hate. You have made me smile all morning. (like always, lol) At least after time for the awkward but fair truth went on his rant, he followed with:

Civil unions are reasonable enough in this day and age. That is sufficiently tolerant for ANYONE normal and reasonable.

Now if homo’s broke into my home and started having sex, yes sweetie that would be very disturbing and moraly wrong. However, most just want the same rights offered to you and your wife. Thanks for playing.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

lovelyliz, The only way a person will go to hell is without Jesus. He’s the only way to heaven. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but that’s what the New Testament says.

John 14:6

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

T, I was actually hoping you’d call me a Nazi. When liberals can’t argue or debate they name call. Hate the sin my friend. Not the sinner. Liberals hate the sinner and not the sin. Who said anything about tolerance? Tolerance will get you robbed, raped and killed. Just ask all those Africans who’ve had to tolerate Mugabee. Ask the Jews who had to tolerate Hitler. Ask the Vietnamese who had to tolerate Pol Pot. Ask all those dead Iraqis who had to tolerate Saddam.

The difference between a normal marriage and a homo marriage is the normal marriage is natural and the homo marriage is based on butt sex.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

As an employee you are obligated to follow your employers legal orders whether you morally approve of them or not.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC * *lovelyliz, The only way a person will go to hell is without Jesus. He’s the only way to heaven. Sorry if that hurts your feelings but that’s what the New Testament says.

And this Christian has the right to disagree with you while agreeing you have the right to beleive that

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

lovelyliz, Not so fast my misguided comrade. You’re employer can not MAKE you do something against your morals. I know Jews that get certain holidays off and I also know Seven Day Adventist who get off early on Fridays. There are laws that protect religious beliefs. There are no laws that say ANYONE has to perform a same-sex ceremony.

By Tommy

July 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Jesus is so gay! Why start all the religious crap? Now this blog is ruined! Thanks, a*hole…

By T

July 2, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

I try not to name call. But, I will laugh at the laughable and poke fun at those who seem a little too tense. Are you saying that marriage is based soley on sex? Interesting.

Also, are you now tolerating womens or blacks rights to vote? How about marriage between inter racial couples? Are you still tolerating intergration?

Why are you so worried about what other people do in the bed room? That I do not understand.

I am not that liberal.

By Republican

July 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

CommunisticAJC, sometimes it’s best to just say what you have to say and then shut up. According to my watch, your time to shut up is here. No one is more Republican or conservative than myself but unless I have a horse in this race, I don’t, it’s not my issue. What two tax paying, law abidding ADULTS do in their homes that do not discount my way of life and property values really is not my concern. Raising my taxes, the cost of gas, declining value of the dollar are my issues. Two same sex people in marriage, union, whatever, not my issue. Then again, I am comfortable with my sexuality. Are your really sure you are? For once, give the question and then your response some time before you reply. When you do reply, honesty is the best policy, you are Christian, correct?

By time for the awkward but fair truth

July 2, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

@ dumbarsed liz

Surely anyone normal would have REASONABLY inferred from my excellent, perfectly fair comment post, that so called homosexual marriage should NOT or EVER be legal. Which happily is still overwhelmingly the case. Marriage undeniably has for many centuries been LEGALLY practised/legislated on as between a man and a woman. Not bewteen some butchdike and a fat fugly lesbian or some butch homo and the usual mincing homo.

The appalling (very recent) fact that a few far left queer lovin’ surrender monkey judges in and around the San Fran Sicko area have arrogantly arrogated to themselves the right to despicably legislate from the bench out there in the freakshow that is Kalifornia shows just how sick and supercilious true liberal scum are when it comes to “honouring” the duly recorded (electoral) will of the people.

@ T(w@t)

My earlier post(s), including the very slightly edited one were hardly any kind of “rant”. Just fair comment observation which of course homos and their far left enablers would gutlessly bristle at because of the ENTIRELY objective/factual content.

BTW, I am NOT the tiniest bit religious. I am a proud COMPLETELY SECULAR conservative.

@ the mincing sicko EW

how enormously amusing to see the usual desperate, extremely perverted, ultra crude “you’re a child molesting queer” abuse in response to legitimate criticism and commentary on the far left homosexual political agenda.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

T, Blacks voting? What doest that have to do with gay marriage? Why am I concerned about gay marriage? Because society has become a twisted one that tolerates criminals and immoral behavior. Sort of like Rome. Could care less about what gays do in their own bedroom. What bothers me is Christians being persecuted by the media as being hate filled people when all we’re trying to do is preserve the sanctity of marriage.

By T

July 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

By time for the awkward but fair truth

lol, thanks.

By Scrappy

July 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

I am not a frequent poster, but CommunistAJC is cracking me up.

He seems like a hateful 13 yr old boy posting the hate filled rantings of his drunken, yet still Baptist, reneck father.

As for the issue, do the job, or get fired. In this instance the job requirements changed, so applying for a new position should be acceptable also. Lets not forget they are performing a state service, not a church service, all they are doing is legally changing the couples tax status anyway.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Republican, That’s the problem with your party. Too much of a pansy to fight and that’s why your party has lost everything. I have no loyalty to ANY party my friend. By the way, you don’t sound conservative because homo marriage is a big issue within the conservative party. My sexuality? I’ve been married for years buddy. What you’re basically trying to say is if you are against gay marriage you must be a closet homo. Am I correct? You’re not a conservative, dude. Sorry, but I’ve yet to hear a true conservative say the things you’ve said.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC

  • Not so fast my misguided comrade. You’re employer can not MAKE you do something against your morals.*

But they can fire you if you done follow a legal request.

As far as religion goes, there are some protect right. Holidays are given at the discretion of the employer. They are obligated to give you any of those days off, but accommdating them where possible is usually in their best interest.

Again they aren’t obligated. This Chistian has had to work on Sundays including Easter and other holy days. It was my choice when I worked for those companies and had it been a problem and they not willing to oblige me, I would have quit.

By Libertarian

July 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Republican, No wonder your party is in so much trouble. By the way, you’re no more conservative than I’m a caribou. Maybe you’re the closet homosexual.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

lovelyliz, BIG DIFFERENCE IN WORKING ON A SUNDAY AND PERFORMING A GAY MARRIAGE CEREMONY. But then again, I’d expect this kind of rhetoric from someone who delivers pizzas.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

lovelyliz, So you’re a Christian who supports gay marriage? Wow, that’s like saying I’m a Muslim who worships Buddha.

By Peachy Keen

July 2, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

I, for one, would not work anywhere where Gay and Lesbian people were not treated the same as everyone else. I am a young, single, straight white woman, and I would refuse to work anywhere that discriminated against people due to their sexual orientation, color of skin, country of origin, or any other matter not directly related to their ability to do the work at hand. We are all people together, and we all deserve to be treated fairly.

By Sarah

July 2, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Communist AJC, when the Senator from Idaho, you know the MARRIED one and yes to a woman was arrested for trying to having gay sex in a bathroom stall he wasn’t able to say he wasn’t having gay sex because he’s married. But you think you can predicate your sexuality on being married? I thought you were stupid from your first post, I now know you’re too dumb to argue with. Do you know how many married men are caught having public gay sex every day? I bet they never realized all they had to say was they’re married to a woman and then the cops would set them free on the spot. You take dumb to new heights,no scratch that…. actually to new lows. You’re closeted, you know you are. I hope you’re not allowed young boys and I am very, very serious.

By Karen

July 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

It’s just an excuse to sit in judgment and blame it all on Jesus.

By Little naked boy

July 2, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Communistic AJC- when you coming over with the bag of candy you promised me ?

By BrokebackVol

July 2, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Interesting - at times it seems the AJC is “Gay-baiting” since it almost always gets people urinated off at each other.

I’m an Independent politically - the GOP hates gays unless you are wealthy, and the Dems sell us down the river if it’s politically expedient. I’m still waiting on a party that will take a stand come yells or high water.

Frankly, I would be okay with “Civil Unions” being extended to non-hetero couples with the same legal benefits and responsibilities, and let the folks who are emotionally sensitive to the term “marriage” to have it. Nobody will be able to stop gay/lesbian couples from saying they are married anyway.

As far as the legalities are concerned, gay/lesbian couples should have equality in regards to secular government. The religious institutions may discriminate freely, but government by the people and for the people cannot freely discriminate. If gays/lesbians are expected to contribute to this great nation of ours by paying taxes and other responsible behavior, then the right to a civil service marriage is a fair expectation.

Nobody’s legal relationship impacts anybody else’s relationship. Anybody who claims otherwise is either a bigot or a fool.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

lovelyliz, BIG DIFFERENCE IN WORKING ON A SUNDAY AND PERFORMING A GAY MARRIAGE CEREMONY. But then again, I’d expect this kind of rhetoric from someone who delivers pizzas.

Even when I was in college, I never delivered pizza’s for a living. As far as performing a gay marriage ceremony, is it that much more morally repungnat than my ex-cousin-in-law going in for his 5th heterosexual one?

We’re talking about following the legal requests of your employer. If your employer is the government and it gives you a legal order, follow it.

Then next thing you know, you’ll be advising those who have decided their God doesn’t want them shooting people to stay in the military and force the government to deal with their morality.

By Koz

July 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

I know I’m in the minority but I’m a Christian Conservative and I support the legalization of same gender marriage. I don’t agree with it but I support it.

Why?

Because it’s not the Governments place to judge the morality of same sex marriage. Unlike other illegal activities, gay marriage does not infringe upon the rights of other people. Murder for example definitely infringes on the right to life (so does the death penalty and abortion) and theft infringes on property rights - Blah, blah, etc, etc.

Anyway I think it should be legal and if any judgement occurs then there will be a day for that and it won’t be here on Earth.

By T

July 2, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC

The sanctity of marriage is a joke. There are TV shows where people basically auction themselves to marriage.

The point I was trying to make about voting and everything else was: the courts ruled it unlawful for one set of people to have certain rights and others not to.

By the way, criminal is not following the law, correct. Therefore, where those state employed persons where breaking the law?

Christians, ok. What if you are not Christian? Does everyone have to live by the rules of the Christian religion? Or does the law try to protect people from that?

By peachykeen

July 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

CommunistAJC, I’m with you, tired of being portrayed as a hate-filled Christian if you stand for something. As a Christian I have been asked to do things on the job that I believe are morally wrong. I have refused and life has gone on. If I were a clerk and I were told to marry a gay couple, I would have to be reassigned or find a new job. That simple. The Bible says to be obedient to Caesar’s laws because God allows the leaders to rule. BUT those laws always come second to God’s laws. So, I can be a good, honest worker who respectfully declines to do something that would endanger my standing before the True God. It’s like when Daniel was told to do an act of obeisance to the gold statue or die. He decided he would rather die. According to many bloggers today that would make Daniel a religious lunatic who is filled with hate. Why do we have to be labeled as hateful because we don’t want to go along with your politically correct, hedonistic, morally deprived agenda? Who’s the lunatic?

By Ronnie B.

July 2, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

peachykeen~

If you were a county clerk, and were told to issue a wedding license to an interracial couple, I suppose you would quit your job? After all, there was a time when Christians didn’t believe interracial marriage was Biblical.

By CommunistAJC

July 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Ronnie B., When? What time? There is nothing in the Bible about a black marrying a white. That is rhetoric used by liberals. Just like liberals taking bible verses out of context.

peechykeen, Don’t worry about what these nut cases think.

By Voice of Reason

July 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

1) Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2) If I own a company, I have a right to set the rules of conduct for my business; if folks don’t like it, they don’t have to work there; 3) Homosexuals can love whom they want, work where they qualify,(and should be able to live/work without getting hosed down, etc.), but we have societal rules of conduct and I don’t think we need to have all these homosexuals demanding that we change our social order in order to accomodate the fact that they want to sleep with someone of their own sex/gender.

You don’t see (us) fornicators and adulterers saying we want to change certain rules of marriage [“I know she’s/he’s married, but I demand bigamy to be allowed}] Sleep with whomever you want; if you want to declare someone your next of kin, etc, knock yourself out. But leave our God-given social order alone. There are two genders—man and woman, with complementing anatomy that FIT together. Use as intended. Anything else is an aberration. Period.

By Get it Right

July 2, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Note to Edward 9:38 am who commented on my message.

My points may not have matched perfectly with the original question, but I was already seeing comments such as “Hate and bigotry are not a MORAL values…”. I felt it appropriate to add a small measure of perspective. I neither approve or disapprove of the clerks actions. I have seen a couple of stories where their refusal may have been legal and the ones who complied with the court rulling over the actual law may have committed a crime. That’s for California to decide.

I look to several sources for information, some right wing, some left wing, and form my opinions based on what I think. I take no marching orders from either group. Anyone that presumes they know my mind probably doesn’t have a good grasp on the concept of free and open discourse.

By lisa

July 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Marriage is a sacrament, a RELIGIOUS ceremony. All couples, gay or straight, should have to have a civil union sanctioned by the state and then,if they and their religious official choose, a marriage ceremony. Plus, and this is the pragmatist in me, if I have to pay fees, etc and go before someone to have my 15 year marriage disbanded, so should a gay couple that’s been together as long!

By Peachy Keen

July 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

Ronnie B ~

If I were a county clerk, I would quit my job if I were forbidden to allow inter-racial couples to marry. I would also quit if I were forbidden from allowing same-sex couples to marry, which is one of the many reasons why I am not a county clerk.

Christian ethics, while certainly understandable that some people hold to them, don’t really speak to me (I’m Jewish). I will stand up for those who are being oppressed, and I will help anyone who is being treated as a lesser-person because of something they can’t help.

By Bob

July 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

I don’t hate homosexuals. But they are going to hell… not my choice.

By peachykeen

July 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Peachy Keen, as a Jew you might want to go back and read the Hebrew scriptures. Leviticus 18:22 says “and you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.” Leviticus 20:13 says “when a man lies down with another man the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing.” Heck, the Hebrew scriptures even forbid cross-dressing: Deuteronomy 22:5 “No garb of an able-bodied man should be put upon a woman, neither should an able-bodied man wear the mantle of a woman, for anybody doing these things is something detestable to your God.

So you are either a nonpracticing Jew or you choose to ignore the laws of your own religion for the laws of the nation.

By Badger31201

July 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

I just love having people who have NO BUSINESS talking about MY business acting like they actually KNOW what’s it’s like to be me, or how I feel or how I love. Would you like for someone to preach to you—- or even just TALK about you—- while you’re right there in the room? How sad that people think there’s even reason to debate the HUMAN TREATMENT of another person, or that it is EVER o.k. to reduce another person to just an epithet. I may not know everything Jesus would do in every situation, but I know my God would never reduce me to anything less than God’s own child.

By GeezGuys

July 2, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

How many of those County Clerks refused licenses to divorced folk? Probably zero. How funny they weren’t up on their high horses for the biblical adulterers.

By T

July 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

Bob

Will you be doing CommunistAJC’s make up before the parade Sunday? I loved the heels you wore last time. Looked a bit uncomfortable, though.

By peachykeen

July 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this

The question is whether a clerk has the right to refuse to perform a marriage for a gay couple. Whether you are in the room or not does not negate the right for anyone to voice their opinion. I don’t care who or what you love, but I do care that someone is FORCED to perform a religious sacrament that is CLEARLY condemned by God. Soooooooo, if I were the clerk I would find another job or asked to be reassigned. I agree with the earlier blogger that everyone should be required to obtain a civil marriage. And I agree that we all share certain rights as human beings. But I will not ever agree with two people of the same sex being married. I don’t hate you, I don’t want you to die, I just don’t want anyone to be forced to accept something is against their religious beliefs.

By ron

July 2, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

The bottom line,children,is this:you can parade,you can d** walk,you can flaunt,you can get married.You can do anything you choose to do but you can never get me to accept you.That,ladies and gentlemen is how it is and how it’s going to stay.I have seen you,I have worked with you.I have drank beer with you and I flat don’t like anything about you.That’s the bottom line as far as I’m concerned and it’s not going to change.

By Sarah

July 2, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

This is too funny! The sacred institution of marriage? lol !!!! So, the reality shows The Bachelor and The Bachelorette are sacred? Too funny! Any cousin dating inbred with an IQ of 40 can marry over and over again. Sacred? I have never seen so many Godwannabes on one blog in ages. Here we have Bob ( have you ever met a Bob that went to college and wasn’t fat ?)saying homosexuals will go to hell. Then there’s Voice of Reason and his hypothetical business he owns. I suppose he has a hypothetical beautiful wife that wants him every night and a big hypothetical mansion too. You people take your dusty Bibles out fo the drawers and quote them when it suits you. And then there’s CommunistAJC still fighting those naked little boy images that causes him to have lap lumps in the middle of the day at work. Bless his heart. I know I am in georgia when I read the post. Some day and hopefully soon, evolution will take place in Georgia.

By Dana

July 2, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

“People don’t want gay marriage because it is meaningless garbage.”

“…duly recorded (electoral) will of the people.”

But see, there are times in a constitutional republic like ours when the will of the majority of the people doesn’t matter. People, all people, have rights, and the majority may not pass laws that infringe the rights of a minority no matter how many of them want to or how badly they want to…99% to 1%, it doesn’t matter. The California Supreme Court rightly recognized that the civil, legal recognition of marriage confers many secular rights and benefits that the government may not deny to some couples just because they are gay instead of straight. And, to bring this back on topic, just as the will of the majority doesn’t matter when it comes to protecting rights, the moral beliefs of a government employee don’t matter when it comes to the provision of services required by their job; if they have a problem with that, they have a right to find another job, maybe even a right to be reassigned to duties that don’t violate their moral beliefs, but not the right to refuse to provide the legally authorized government services they were hired to provide.

By peachykeen

July 2, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

And could somebody please tell my co-worker to stop regaling me with her lesbian relationship woes? I want to tell her so bad, “throw some *ick in there and you might feel better.” But I guess that, too, makes me a hate-filled, religious zealot.

By Bob

July 2, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Peachykeen is absolutely right. And that also goes for pharmacists.

By T

July 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

ron

Who asked you to like them or acept them? Oh, were you refering to one of your homo friends? Why are you having beers with homo’s you don’t like. Will you too, be hanging out in Blakes this weekend having another beer with another homo you don’t like. lol, get a grip.

By Bob

July 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Freedom of religion trumps any state law - or for that matter, any federal law.
Unfortunaly, socialist judges who don’t care what should be done, seem to trump it all.

However, fire me for not backing down on my religious or moral objections and you WILL get sued.

By Volunqueer

July 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

AMEN Badger. Also, there are other approaches and belief systems within Christianity that believe in the social justice of Jesus’s example.

You can be a moral person without being religious, by the way.

And to “Bob” - you have no right to judge anyone, nor to decree who is going where. Get the log out of your own eye, bub.

By Clear Thinker

July 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Zeke,

You are right on. Diversity is a vapid, liberal idea—and why not implement diversity on NBA teams as you suggested?

I once worked for a major telecom company that was headquartered in Atlanta and diversity was shoved down folks’ throats by the “chief diversity officer” whose web site had a comment “Diversity equals business success.”

Gee, I always thought that providing customers with high quality products that meet their needs—or outstanding customer service—or running an efficient operation might equal business success.

And I don’t know if it’s related to this discussion, but that company was purchased by another company now headquartered in Texas. Ahem.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Link to this

By CommunistAJC lovelyliz, So you’re a Christian who supports gay marriage? Wow, that’s like saying I’m a Muslim who worships Buddha.

I am a Christian who believes in rendering unto Caesar and in the rule of law. I also don’t believe that my morality should be legislated on other people. Let the government deal with what is legal and illegal and let my faith deal with what is moral.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

By Clear Thinker You are right on. Diversity is a vapid, liberal idea—and why not implement diversity on NBA teams as you suggested?

Are you suggesting we start in th eboard rooms and coaching staff first?

By Bob

July 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Link to this

Volunqueer. Your name says it all. And I don’t judge… that’s not my job. I’m just stating a fact.

By Volunqueer

July 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

Bob,

It’s not “stating a fact” that people are going to hell. You cannopt speak for anyone’s salvation. It’s not your place.

My board name says what - that’s I’m gay. Sure does. I’m a gay christian. So?

By T

July 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Bob

What fact are you stating?

Doesn’t freedom of religion also protect those whom do not believe the same as you? Or are you the only one who gets to enjoy that right?

By ron

July 2, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

T,My good man.As I wander through life I find myself in many situations that I don’t care for,due to work,social functions,etc.One is bound to come in contact with homosexuals.It cannot be avoided.I am always civil,polite and politically correct.At the same time I simply detest homosexuals.We have absolutely nothing incommon.As far as I’m concerned they are a separate species.

By Magenta

July 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

CommAJC,

So, if interracial marriage is not prohibited in the Bible, why do so many Christians offer what sounds like the “Noah’s Ark” theory of race: “If God meant the races to mix he’d have made us all one color…Noah didn’t pair up the hippos and the giraffes, did he?” etc etc. And why do so many alleged Christians put interracial couples in danger? How many interracial couples reading this are going to feel that much safer going into certain areas just because CommAJC gave them a free pass courtesy of the Bible that he no doubt reads cover to cover 4 or or more times a year?

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Because Magenta reading the Bible is not necessarily the same as comprehending or practicing.

Still, enough of us try.

By JohnF

July 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Ron,

You seem to be under the mistaken conclusion that we care what you think of us…We don’t.

And I can guarantee you have come in contact with plenty of people that you didn’t know were gay, unless you have some highly toned gaydar, which is a trait exclusive to gay men. And you probably had a positive experience when you met them.

But I understand your sentiment..whenever i’m around heterosexual men I’m always polite and civil, but I can’t stand straight guys. Most of you are overweight, boring, talk about sports that you never were good enough to play yourself, or even worse…you spend half a day gabbinb about your pathetic golf scores, or you are complaining about your wives. But it would never occur to me to judge the validity of your relationship with your wife or to try and legislate how much freedom you have (or don’t have) to honor your commitment.

By Mike McGuire

July 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

are their convictions important enough to them that they will be willing to make less money and work harder for it?

By Mike McGuire

July 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

are their convictions important enough to them that they will be willing to make less money and work harder for it?

By Rhett

July 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

I’m a Christian & have 2 ensure I live by GOD’s commands 1st - “not PARTICIPATING n other people’s sins” is 1 of them. I definitely would pass on a job that requires that I violate my religious beliefs. I’d deserve 2 b fired 4 not performing my assigned duties so I mite as well leave the job 4 someone who will do as required. The same way I wouldn’t lie 4 my boss or steal 4 a co-worker, I wouldn’t sell insurance policies 2 same-sex couples, or rent apartments 2 unmarried couples or a pedofile with a kid. I can’t control other people’s behavior so I wouldn’t refuse 2 work with, live near, or shop with amoral people simply because I’m AWARE of their sins - the Bible says I would have 2 cease existing on Earth 2 avoid people who practice sin. I wouldn’t work 4 a company that objected to my Christian values so I wouldn’t expect a homosexual to work 4 one that objected to his/hers.

Homosexuals & amorals r allowed out of the closet so I should b allowed out 2. Trying 2 push me back n because my values offend u, is like me pushing u back n because ur lack of values offends me.

Whatever an individual decides 2 do with his life is his business (just like I’m choosing 2 make decisions that guarantee my eternal destination is Heaven because I believe there is an afterlife). However, I think we cross the line when we SELFISHLY demand that every 1 around us accept & participate n our selfish behavior rather it b homosexuality, fornication, stealing, drunkedness, lying, cheating, backstabbing, gossiping, overeating, laziness, etc. Just because I want 2 b lazy & overeat, doesn’t mean I should selfishly get all the laws changed so that all of society MUST accept & serve my obesity, no 1 is allowed 2 call me “fat” but must say I’m “a person of size” or “mass enhanced”, kids r forced 2 take classes training them that obesity is an accepted alternative, mass transit companies r required 2 change the sizes of their seats/doors, & insurance companies must give me a policy comparable 2 a health conscious person even though they no I’m slowly commiting suicide…all because I don’t want 2 inconvenience thru discipline, I force the entire world 2 b inconvenienced? Amazing.

By ron

July 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

JohnF,My friends and I sometimes discuss golf scores.Soetimes how to fix things.We have many interests.One thing we don’t have to discuss is how many of our friends are hiv positive or how many are dying of aids.

By Rhino

July 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Diversity = Perversity.

Diversity just for the sake of diversity is utterly ridiculous.

Good post, Rhett. :)

By T

July 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Rhino

You missed the part that said.

I’d deserve 2 b fired 4 not performing my assigned duties so I mite as well leave the job 4 someone who will do as required.

By Volunqueer

July 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

ron, that was just about the stupidest post I’ve seen - are you really so ignorant to think that HIV/AIDS is only a disease that affects gays?

You really need to get your head out of your behind.

By Badger31201

July 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Ron, I apologize that someone else belittled all straight people in any way or implied straight lives are only narrowly focused. Perhaps your next comments were the result of hurt feelings, but I want to address them:

I am very glad that none of your friends have died of AIDS. I have lost nearly a dozen friends plus a cousin. What breaks my heart is that you seem to view the tragedy of AIDS as somehow unequal to other human tragedies such as “straight” problems like cancer. The loss of any of us is a loss for all of us.

Yet again I am thankful that, as we learned when God guided the prophet Samuel to anoint Saul, God does not see as we see, but rather God sees a man’s heart. I hope you find yours.

By Rhino

July 2, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Hey “LovelyLiz”

Your comment about starting in the board room for promoting diversity in the NBA….it’s already going on in the NFL. NFL teams are FORCED to interview at least one minority candidate when they have a head coaching position open. So much for “may the best man win”.

But why isn’t there such a mandate on NFL players??? Can you IMAGINE how loud the “Reverend” Jesse Jackson and “Reverend” Al Sharpton would scream if each team was mandated to have at least 25% of its players be white, or that 10% of the NFL teams play with a white running back? How stupid would it be to be FORCED by “diversity” laws to play a white running back, when you’ve got Emmitt Smith or Walter Payton on the team?

By Rhino

July 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

Another example of “diversity” in action….

The City of Atlanta has a HUGE sewer rehab project going on…..guess what….if you want to do the work, you have to be a minority or “disadvantaged” business to bid on it. Yep - this tiny little qualifier eliminates hundreds of local qualified companies just because they are owned by white men. So what does this mean? It means the price the City of Atlanta is paying for the work to get done is HIGHER than it otherwise would be, if they’d allow all qualified contractors to bid on the project.

If someone was in favor of DIVERSITY…they’d let all qualified contractors bid on it…not just black and female owned contractors.

Diversity……It’s a great policy to encourage everyone to get involved - except those who are best suited for the job!

By Rhino

July 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Volunqueer -

Are you disputing the fact that AIDS / HIV affects more in the gay commuity than anywhere else? Why is that? Is that because homosexuals make more bad decisions when it comes to sex than heterosexuals?

By ron

July 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

Badger,Hurt feelings?Hardly.I don’t let any Gods get involved in my life either.I’m fine with my own decisions.

I read recently where aids in on the rise in young ,homosexual men and especially on the rise among young ,black homosexuals.Seems your God should be giving lessons in safe sex.

By lovelyliz

July 2, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Rhino the point I was making was that some people complain about there not being enough diversity on the court or field without ever acknowledging the almost total lack of it in coaching and the boardroom where the white Christian males still rule.

By *

July 3, 2008 6:59 AM | Link to this

Your career is just your job. Your spirituality can never be compromised

By Michael Stacio

July 7, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Why don’t we get some diversity at the Fulton County Adminstration Bldg where their is 94% black, and at Marta where it 98% black, and the best one of all is the Atlanta City Hall where it is almost 100% black folks. Blacks preach diversity, but don’t practice it!

By Michael Stacio

July 7, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Why don’t we get some diversity at the Fulton County Adminstration Bldg where their is 94% black, and at Marta where it 98% black, and the best one of all is the Atlanta City Hall where it is almost 100% black folks. Blacks preach diversity, but don’t practice it!

By andrea

July 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

doing our job is why we go to work.we’re in the workplace/business for that very purpose. whether they are gay,lesbians, christian,nonchristian whatever and whoever they call themself to be in the workplace, we all have to remember we’re to respect one another.to force your lifestyle on someone is where the line should be drawn.

By v

July 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I think people should be required to do their jobs. If they don’t want to perform same-sex marriages, then go work somewhere else.

That said, I don’t know if I would perform same-sex marriages if I were required. I’m still trying to embrace the gay and lesbian lifestyle without feeling uncomfortable.

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