Clayton.Talk

By Please

November 10, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

Who cares? Just get every law enforcement officer out on the streets of Clayton so we can get our county back. The Sheriff’s office should still be able to fight crime and serve warrants. Shouldn’t leave that up to CCPD. We need all the help we can get!!!

By WTF?

November 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

If inmates really cared about voting, they wouldn’t break the law and end up in jail and wouldn’t have to worry about their vote not being counted. If their votes were needed to make a decision one way or the other I’d say count em, but since they don’t, forget em.

Pam Adamson for District 1 school board member! Although if Cleopatra won I could live with that, both showed they care about ccps.

By Terrill

November 10, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

zero tolerance for stupidity no matter what age. they screwed up now suffer the consequences. quit whining. no country for old grievances.

By w-jonesboro

November 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

I am confused, the term “prisoners” means incarcerated. If they are incarcerated they should not be allowed to vote and no their vote shouldn’t count. Yes I will return for the runoffs.

By Clayton Taxpayer

November 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

If the inmates were qualified to vote, then their votes should absolutely be counted.

(Prisoners in the county jail awaiting trial may not be on probation or serving a sentence.)

I will vote in the Senate run-off just like I voted in the Primary and the Primary run-off. Voting is a civic duty, just like paying taxes and serving on a jury.

How people can ignore their duty is beyond me.

By Melanie Lee

November 10, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Argh!! Please, not more of this ‘Whitey’ supresses the Black prison vote nonsense.

Per GA law cited above - Doesn’t the word prisoner mean that they are serving a sentence (an excluded voter class)? Or did you mean guys like T.I. who have been sentenced, but are not prisoners (in jail), nor out on probation (still in the system)?

Why is it that a certain party and group of people like to pander to the lowest common denominator in society? THESE PEOPLE HURT/KILLED PEOPLE! Let them rot!

If these fellows cared about our society, they would NOT have commited FELONIES which cost them the PRIVLEDGE (NOT RIGHT) to vote. Everbody cannot vote - a teen under 18 can’t vote, illegals can’t vote, permanent residents can’t vote, people who don’t register can’t vote, etc. So boohoo! Go cry for their murdered, raped, robbed, and/or assaulted victims, not these criminals.

They can worry about their vote when their debt to society is paid! And for those special ones who murder, rape, or molest children - they should NEVER be granted voting right privledges ever again!

By Mojo Mist

November 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

If they are allowed to vote and submitted their votes on time while following absentee voting standards, yes they should be counted. If they were not submitted in accordance with the current standards, they should not be allowed. Any disagreement with the process should be addressed going forward with the possibility of being changed in the future.

I will vote in the run-off.

By PHJ

November 10, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

My goodness, Melanie. Not everybody in jail is a felon and just imagine this “not all of them are guilty”.

By w-jonesboro

November 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

If the votes wont affect the outcome, then why do they need to be counted? Just in case they affect the outcome? They should be allowed to vote once they are no longer incarcerated. People in jail awaiting trial should not be allowed to vote, they can’t get up and go to the store when they wont to. Clear up the legal matters and then vote.

By Maysie

November 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

The shame is there are thousands of people walking around FREE in Clayco who didn’t think twice about skipping important elections this year (including the general one based on the 67% turnout, that’s 33% of Clayton who just don’t care). But I’ll bet they complain the loudest and are the ones on TV screaming “my baby can’t go to college now”.

Yep I’ll vote Dec. 2, although I skipped voting for senator in the general cuz I felt they were equally bad, maybe one of them will change my mind before runoff.

As a democrat I don’t want the democrats to have a super majority & I’d feel the same if the republicans had a chance at super majority. no one political party should have that much power, just my opinion. But haven’t seen anything from Chambliss that makes me want to vote for him either.

By Michael

November 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

No the inmates votes should not be counted. Just because they have not been adjudicated as guilty when they submitted their ballots does not mean they are not guilty. I would bet even money that at least half of those prisoners in this instance will be found guilty. Since we cannot determine which, if any, of those “voters” will be exhonerated I feel we shouldn’t count any of them.

I will be voting in the December 2 runoffs.

By Oh please

November 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

As I understood it, only those convicted of a felony were prohibited to vote under Georgia law. It is also to my understanding that once the felon’s sentence is completed his/her right to vote is reinstated.

By What?

November 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this

Who Cares? - Of all the many topics that could have been selected. Wow??

By Clayton Resident

November 10, 2008 6:58 PM | Link to this

If everything is in order, they should be allowed to vote, but based on this blog and the article it doesnt’ sound like it. Since their votes aren’t needed I say why waste taxpayer resources and time.

By huh?

November 10, 2008 7:19 PM | Link to this

I don’t think inmates should vote either. Wanna vote? Don’t break the law.

By Voice of Reason

November 11, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this

Whatever happened to INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? Far to many people on this blog have a Communist mentality of Guilty until proven innocent. Yet these same people will wave the flag and consider themselves patriotic, without understanding that their views are more in line with Kim Jong Ill.
On another note, two members of the elections board let their chairman of the talk them out of sticking to their guns. How in the hell do you become a member of the elections board and you don’t know or seek legal advice from your attorney about a situation like this? This is yet another example of how unqualified people are being positioned in our local government. In other words: Crony ism = Dysfunctional Government

By What now

November 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

TO What - then hijack the blog and bring up another - better subject.

By black power 08

November 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Everyone who is in jail has not been convicted of a crime. Many are awaiting trial to prove hemselves innocent. What about the black men who were detained and arrested and charged and were awaiting trial when that crazy white woman drowned her kids in the resevoir and said a black man carjacked her? They were in jail and were probaly going to get convicted if it had been an all white jury, all white judge, prsecutor etc. Fortunantly for them she broke down and confessed. Our legal system is not perfect and race plays a major factor in it. Should those black men lose their right to vote while they sit in jail? I find it funny that all the people saying yes are those same flag waving, ultra conservative, country first bumper sticker people who are only concerned about the right to bear arms. All the other rights don’t matter untill it’s them who are in the legal grinder.

By Free Black Labor

November 11, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Only those convicted of a felony were prohibited to vote under Georgia law. It is also to my understanding that once the felon’s sentence is completed his/her right to vote is reinstated. That should be the law in the entire United States.

The reason this law should be enacted is because the Greedy has system covert system in place to criminalize and victimize the poor and minority. Then they run them though a prejudice justice system designed to send the ones criminalized and victimized by prejudice unjust court system to the other Greedy creation, “The Prison Industrial System”, then take their vote right.

However, things are looking up, pray for President Obama, the Greedy is afraid he will somehow change the system and cut into their PROFIT. PROFIT=Money is the Only reason Clayton’s 50,000 Black Children don’t have accreditation Today.

The Greedy are lining up Clayton’s 50,000 Black Children for “The Prison Industrial System”.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! You Clayton County folks need to wise up and Charlton Bivins is an “Uncle Tom”. Bivins work for the Greedy—Charlton Bivins has PTSS—Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Stand in Line for hours to vote on the Senate Race—Vote Martin, best of the two evils.

By not true on violence

November 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

“these people hurt/killed people”— not true. 25% of the world’s prison population is in the US. Over 90% are non-violent offenders. This is the biggest waste of taxpayer money we have.

As for letting current prisoners who are violent offenders vote.. no. After they serve their sentences, yes.

By World Writing On the Wall

November 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

I agree with you wholeheartly, Black Power 08. The entire U.S south of the Mason-Dixion Line has a serious racial problem. Now that Obama has made it the these same people will try to dismantle Affirmative Action Programs.

They will think that 40 years of Affirmative Action Programs will suffix for 400 years of Slavery and Oppression! AMAZING!!!

By James Searcy

November 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

Great subject today Kim! From what I’ve learned from the incident regarding the rejection of the inmates’ votes, it looks like our election office people didn’t do the right thing. Sometimes technicalities over-rule our sense of human sensitivity and that is really sad. Since these inmates were incarcerated and depended on a legal authorized carrier to deliver their votes, then it should have been counted….even if the legal carrier faulted somehow. It seems that elections in general continue to expose some human rights problems that linger in this country. Even with major part of elections behind us, election officials should reconsider their earlier decision and let these votes be counted. Regarding the upcoming run-off elections, it’s just as important that we as voters return to the polls. You know, sometimes it’s the blind spots that tend to hit us the hardest and run-off elections are very important to keep in mind and participate in. In other words, it ain’t over until it’s over!

By District 9 Voter

November 11, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

I want to know who are the people behing Bivins? Why do you call him an uncle tom? Is it true that Mike Glantn gave money to Michelle Thomas in her bid to unseat Linda Miller? If so, Whats wrong with supporting your candidate of choice? I don’t know nothing about this other person in bivins race. Does anyone know anything about her

By former buddys

November 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Come on John T and Glenn D. You are so recognizable from your racist rants. Anyone who does responsible things with and for the community - you are disparaging toward them. Mr Bivins have done more to better this community than both of you fools together. Go back to the MACE office in Glen’s Bentley and have a pat-on-the-back party - and tell N. Haynes to bring you another mint julip. Ahh. ID 10 T s

By Black Rain

November 11, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Mr. Bivins has a web site - there you can find out about his background, community involvement, how he plans on helping with the School Board. He is there for all to see. Do a google search.

MS. Lewis - on the other hand, must be strickly by word of mouth. No web page, no info anywhere on who she is or what she stands for. Do not do a google search - there is nothing there. She did not even fill out the questionaire from AJC - at least that would have put some info out there, for free. Maybe she believes the less we know about her - the better it for her.

Vote Bivins on Dec. 2 runoff.

By Michael

November 11, 2008 6:27 PM | Link to this

TO Voice of Reason

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY is a concept for a court of law, not necessarily the court of public opinion. If somone commits a heinous crime they are guilty when they commit the crime, not just when convicted in a court of law. We, as citizens, can only hope that those who are incarcerated are guilty when jailed. If they are not, and the evidence is not compelling enough, our system allows for restitution for those falsely arrested.

By See All, Know All

November 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! Charlton Bivins is an “Uncle Tom”. Bivins work for the Greedy White Man. Charlton Bivins has Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS). He need to grow a pair.

He knows the white men that took over 50,000 black children accreditation for money. He helped them do it. Bivins is running for the BOE to ensure the the Greedy white men keep getting PAID.

While your children education SUFFER. His website is a ROUSE and a LIE.

NOTE: Vote any one but Bivins

By Blast from Past

November 12, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

to: Free Black Labor and See All, Know All

JT(white leprachan) and GD(black racist) - ya should at least try not to post using easch others words exactly.

Mr. Bivins is just the kind of black man neither of you have use for. Strong, involved, inclusive, man of faith, man of action, man of principle, caring. All things that neither or you two self-serving morons are.

JT and GD - you go more for the dim-witted, slow, easily-led constituents, you can manipulate, black and white. Speak or which, how is NH, NW, CK, LW, LC and others.

By MLK4$

November 12, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Once again, it’s all about race and supression of the black folk. NAACP is only involved because the people are black, if they were hispanic or “gasp” white, they woudn’t care if their votes were counted or not. This is just a cheap trick to get more democratic votes as if ACORN hasn’t trumped up enough votes already.

Clayton County has gone down the toilet. Part of the reason is you have black leaders in power who fail to focus on the county as a whole and help to move us forward. Instead, they look for ways to find how whitey is suppressing the black folk. We have got to quit focusing on cheap theatrics and get this county back in shape.

Affirmative action is a joke. 400 years of slavery and suppression? Your ancestors and those who lived through the 60’s have a leg to stand on, but most of the young folk today have no idea what that was like, yet they claim to be suppressed? As long as you keep this racist whitey hates me mentality, you will never prosper as a community. Not even Barac Hussein Obama can make you rich or better your lives financially. SELF motivation is key.

I also love it when black people bring up race, what about those wonderful black politicians in this county who use racist comments about white people running for office? Again, basing everything about race will only keep you down. You may think the world and the US owe you something, but as long as you keep standing with your hand out, you are going to be dissapointed.

Thank God I am leaving this sad county. Good luck, and hopefully you will wake up some day. Black Power Baby!

By Idiot

November 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

See All Know All, get a life and get a clue. Greedy white men? Look at this county run by black men, look at any city/county run by black men. They are all pretty much the same… poor economy, high crime, thug mentality, etc… you reap what you sow you racist idiot with an iq of 2.

By black power 08

November 12, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

I agree with a McCain, Country first supporter…Go Figure! But he is right. If your going to cite the law and follow the law then follow it to a T. Ifsomeone is in jail awaiting their trial and has not been convicted of a felony then they should be allowed to vote. I find it ironic that voter suppresion techniques are used to suppress the black vote in many cases. Black vote = Democratic vote so is it farfetched to infere the republicans are behind the voter suppression efforts? And, if so, when they claim America first, are they speaking of all Americans? or just the “real” Americans Palin spoke of?

By Oh please

November 12, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

black power 08 - I believe you and many other Americans have been greatly deluded by the mass media. Republicans are not about voter suppression. Actually, they are about allowing the people to govern themselves. Freedom can only be preserved if government allows it.

By black power 08

November 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Mass Media has nothing to do with it! it is the ultra conservative right that has hijacked your party that has led to the demise of the GOP. Case in point, The Gop was so tough on illegal immegrants but it was republican business owners who hired them. It sure was not Shameka in the hood collecting welfare that was hiring illegal immegrants. As a result, Just about all the western states (with large Hispanic populations) went for Obama! This is the beginning of the end of the GOP as we know it. And if they think Sara palin is the future of the party then the Democrats should keep power for many years to come should they not find a way to blow it like the Georgia Democrats do.

As far as the Republicans allowing people to govern themselves is plain baloney! peope governing themselves is called anarchy! Look how well it works in Somalia. Gop say they are about conservative fiscal spending=Largest debt in national history, Smaller government, less regulation=largest government bailout of critical industries by government=socialism,. Face it, They have to re-invent their platform or they are doomed! Watch out Georgia, we’re about to turn blue

By Blue blue blue!

November 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

I for one am looking forward to the color change!

By HLS

November 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Keep looking.

By RAW DOG

November 12, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

To Bloggers: MLK4$,Idiot & Blast from Past; I kind of agree with what you say about Black run governments around the country. They’re weak and often times fail the populous. A lot of these Black Officials are strong and are headed in the right direction.

However, the white man has had his hands in those same governments for Centuries, in some cases thousands of years; and all a smart white man have to do is find about five or six “Uncle Toms”. You know the ones who can be bought for a ‘Nickel” a pack, to make friends or infiltrate these black run governments, find out things then run tell the greedy white man.

Who will run to the Mass Media and “Exploit the Black government. See, “Uncle Tom” Negroes like Eddie White, Rod Johnson, Elgrin Bell, Charlton Bivins, Mike Glanton; the white man don’t allow their dumb masses into their inner circle, so the white man don’t exploit his self in the Media.

See, the problem with these type “Uncle Toms” is they suffer from Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome (PTSS); they need to hold a white man main vein while he “p” to find self-worth. I wish somebody tell these Negroes that its 2008 and their FREE.
BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE: Don’t vote for Charlton Bivins—he will become a “Super Uncle Tom”.

By Blast from Past

November 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Dr Glen DoWell - Raw Dog - how come you are so filled with hate. Do you hate white people or do you hate yourself. Maybe You and JT could do a mind-body transfer and you would both be happy.

You hate the very people that have contributed millions of taxpayer dollars over the years to your psuedo-mentoring scam. By the way - did you ever pay up on those back-taxes. Freedom of Information Act goes both ways.

Real men are involved in volunteer work the community, mentoring because it is the right thing to do. Why do you impune them? You on the other hand are looking for a payday - usually state/federally funded. That may make you shrewed - but does not make you a good man. Those you disparage, are doing for the community from their heart. Seems to many, the Uncle Tom is you, with your hand out to Uncle Sam for your livelihood, then behind-the-back spewing hate.

By the way - I said nothing about Black run governments - please read before you group bloggers together.

Vote for leadership. Vote Bivins for District 9 - BOE.

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By BOE EMPLOYEE

November 13, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Jesse Goree and Michael King are John Trotter puppetts. Why is it that all of John Trotters puppets are so damn ignorant? Jesse Goree and Michael King will be the reason we lose accreditation for five years! Citizens need to start a recall now against them. This way SACS can’t say the community did not step up. BTW, I work in the Administration office and will tell you first hand the Mrs. Goree is in this office doing the same thing the old school board did. One of the employees caught her rants on tape. Who needs a copy of the tape?

By MorePowerPlays

November 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Eldrin Bell trying to get rid of Jeff Turner? Word is Eldrin is trying to get rid of Turner and a few others, and replace him with the Riverdale PD Chief. Eldrin leaked to the AJC where to get the dirt(open records request) on the sergeant involved in the sexual battery incident, to discredit Turner. Eldrin knows he will not control the voting block of the commission after January 1st. He is desperate for power now. Here we go again Clayton County. Reminder to Eldrin Bell! You were voted in for one reason , and one reason only. To keep Lee Scott out. You can be recalled just like anyone else.

By WTF?

November 13, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Why do you think Eldrin worked so hard to get Kem Kembrough elected? So he could control the sheriff’s dept. as well. Watch and learn.

By LC

November 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this

Bell is treading on thin ice trying that crap. Turner is pretty well respected in the county. A whole lot more than Bell is!

By W-Jonesboro

November 13, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Neither Bell nor Turner are well respected in the Clayton County Community. We just can’t find anyone qualified enough to do their jobs, probably because if someone of good caliber step-up to the plate they will have mud slung at them from left to right. No one needs to dig up dirt on Turner, it’s all out in the open. He put there himself. If Bell were treading on thin ice he wouldn’t have had all those votes!

By WTF?

November 13, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Bell got all those votes because the alternatives (Lee Scott, Randall wasshisname, Phaedra Graham, etc.) were even worse choices, not because Bell’s such a fantastic commission chair. Truth be told, Bell didn’t want Turner in there anyway so this don’t surprise me one bit figured it was only a matter of time. but that part above about Bell knowing he’s gonna lose the majority vote on the commission come Jan 1 is 100% truth.

By W-Jonesboro

November 13, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

to WTF, I am an equal opportunity employer, if Hill gotta go, so does Bell and Turner, gotta go, gotta go. They can keep each other company in the unemployment line as far as I am concern. Bell needs to get back to his native roots=Dekalb County. Works for me.

By Not Again

November 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

Clayton Schools Ethics Panel off to rocky start.

Big supprise. For the second time, the Ethics Commission has failed to have enough people together for a quorum. Maybe if those, that were put in by our local state reps only for political reasons, should resign and get someone on this commission that understands the seriousness of what the Commission is for. This is not a place to put someone so they can brag to their friends. We need those who understand the problems and will be committed to the meetings, approx 4 per year, and be committed to seeking out facts and making decisions. Right now it seems - Same old, same old.

And when did this become just for the ethics of the BOE - it was sold to the people of Clayton as an Ethics Commission for all public oficials in the county. I guess the local state reps bowed down the pressures from the local officials that were to be under the former stated reason for this Ethics Commission.

Our local state reps should grow a pair and do what is right by the people they represent. Do not bow to local political pressure and put committed people on this Ethics Commission.

By me

November 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

I just wish Atlanta had a good unbiased newspaper that didnt like to promote racial tension.

By pj

November 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Seems that most every time I check out this blog it is the blacks that inject race into the discussion. Quit with your pride. The Lord recognizes no race. We are to disciple all nations, tribes, races. Humble yourselves and seek peace with all men. Most of us just want a better place. Y’all are so full of hate.

By Why Not?

November 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Since Dominick Crea did not win in BOE District 1, maybe he should be appointed to the ethics committee if the others can’t meet their commitment. He would be a great addition to that group.

By Wholesale Signs

November 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

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By lc

November 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

My god now I understand why all the whites fled the county while the getting was good! Are African Americans not able to be effective government leaders.? Is this what they fought for all those years? Is this what Obama will be like also? God help us!

By TheRecallMan

November 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

Eldrin Bell is directly responsible for Clayton County loosing a $2.6 million dollar federal homeland security grant. He stalled on signing the grant paperwork for months and it has now expired. The Clayton County share will be divided up among the 5 remaining grantee’s - Fulton Co, Dekalb Co, Cobb Co, Gwinnett Co and the City of Atlanta. This grant was for public safety and very important. What a waste. Is it too early to start a recall effort on him before he is sworn in for term #2?