Clayton.Talk

By Mojo Mist

September 15, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

No, outside influences didn’t destroy CCPS. There will always be outside influences no matter what position one holds. It’s the nature of business. Everyone will always be tied or aligned with another entity. But it’s how you prioritize and buffer that influence that is important. In all fairness, John Trotter does what he does because he sees a need and believes in what he does. There is a niche for MACE in the community otherwise it wouldn’t exist. Same for the others.

However, what destroyed CCPS was the apathy and lack of oversight of residents and parents, lack of integrity of our Board members who failed to demonstrate vision, professionalism, and ability to ensure the agenda of our children, performance of our school system, and that this county came before anything else. Personal success and achievement was placed higher than anything else. They have no honor as far as I’m concerned.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Kimberly,

Why do you talk only about MACE and not GAE/CCEA(stopping long enough merely to notice that CCEA exists)?

Why did you not address that the majority voting bloc on the board, including Ericka Davis and Rod Johnson were members of GAE? (Up until the time of the Thompson contract. You cannot not blame that on GAE. Or MACE. Just individuals putting aside their differences for the common goal of acting inexplicably stupid)

Why did you not address that the President of GAE, and a member of the Board of Directors of GAE are both CCPS members?

Why did you not address Ericka Davis’ email to CCEA President Sid Chapman (posted on this very board) that said “Sid, it’s time for you to field a new slate of candidates”?

Why did you not address the sweetheart deal between CCPS and CCEA that allows Sid Chapman to earn years in the Teachers Retiremnet System by NOT teaching? You don’t have to be a super slueth to uncover it. It’s openly and brazenly on Sid’s website!

Why did you not address the Sid Chapman having unfettered access to Clayton County schools during planning/instruction time in order to recruit? Again, no need to be a super sleuth; he openly and brazenly bragged about it during board meetings.

Why did you not address the fact that after CCPS said they would stop allowing solicitations, new teachers were gathered together at Jackson Elementary School to hear a **solicitation by none other than Sid Chapman himself.

Last, but certainly not least, why not address that GAE board members violated board policy so that Sid Chapman could get his proposal to abolish the teacher’s right to remove disruptive children on the agenda when the Teachers’ Bill of Rights was to be voted on. (All you have to do is read the MACE proposal and the GAE proposal. The MACE proposal gives teachers the right to remove disruptive students. Sid Chapman’s proposal revokes it.

And in perhaps the most egregious aspect of all of the above, why not address the fact that in a twenty seven page report, Mark Elgart addressed none of it.

As foolish and as ignorant as many board members did act, this at its very core was a political hit, based on a personal vendetta on the part of Rod Johnson and Ericka Davis, with Mark Elgart putting aside ALL objectivity to help carry it out.

Are you people THAT naive, to think that Mark Elgart actually gives a d@mn about your children? If he did, why didn’t he say a single thing, in a twenty seven page report about any of the above?

Kimberly, all I can say is that I’m very disappointed that you have steered this particular column to set up MACE as the “straw man” for people to blame CCPS’ woes on. Who are the administrators who ACTUALLY RUN the system Kimberly? Not one is a MACE member. And what did these administrators give us before the SACS investigation? Spineless* “support” of teachers, leading to 3,000+ **documented fights and abysmal test scores.

If you people think when SACS is gone, the core problems of the system are gone, then you simply don’t know squat about CCPS.

Kimberly?

By WTF?

September 15, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I blame it on a bunch of uneducated, ignorant, unsophisticated and selfish negros.

By Billy Gerkin

September 15, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Lets be real. MACE has been around for since the beginning of the downward descent of Clayton when it got involved with the removal of Dan Caldwell. I remember seeing Trotter at those board meetings, grinning the whole time, especially when Nedra Ware stood up and proclaimed “There’s a new sheriff in town now!” People seemed all too happy with that statement and attitude and now they’re surprised that they lost accreditation when it was this same behavior that got them on probation the first time. How ignorant do you have to be, people?!

I don’t think Kimberly steered this column in a MACE direction. MACE was very adamant at being recognized for their first round of actions, but you’re saying they don’t want it now? That makes no sense.

Overrall, though, I blame it on the lack of outside influences. Parents rarely attend meetings. Parents hardly turned out to vote. Parents barely made a stink about the shady dealings that were by the board and should be labeled with the board until you started messing with their money: property values, HOPE, etc. If parents actually were involved to a much more meaningful degree than just the handful of people, it wouldn’t have gotten this way so quickly.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Mojo Mist has a point about MACE that none of the bashers want to acknowledge. If people really wanted MACE gone (and how hard could it be if MACE was as weak as the bashers claim?) they would support nine board members who would put discipline, and restoring the integrity of the classroom learning environment, so that teachers could actually teach first and foremost.

If the board ever made a serious attempt to restore discipline and protect teachers from retaliation, teachers wouldn’t feel a need to join MACE (they join for protection and advocacy, unlike many CCEA members who join because they fall for the “liability insurance” scam)

Take away MACE’s core issue, and you take away a teacher’s most compelling reason to join. But many MACE bashers won’t do that, because then THEY have to be responsible for parenting, and not blame the nanny state when THEY fall short.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Billy Gerkin,

Didn’t CCPS have accreditation when the board first met after the 2006 elections? So from the first board meeting in 2007 up until about the time of the Thompson contract, who was the majority voting bloc? Members of GAE. MACE bashers claim the problem with this is that it’s brought up “repeatedly” but the real problem they have with it is that they can’t refute it.

And no Billy, I’m not saying MACE doesn’t want to be recognized for their actions. Norreese Haynes didn’t mind exposing the PPP (the Pulliam Patronage Plan) Rod Johnson’s wife illegally double dipping, Johnson KNOWINGLY hiring an accused child molester, and last but not least, having MACE being known as the only entity that will unequivocally address lack of discipline in the schools. That’s why Haynes passed the Teachers’ Bill of Rights, and that’s why Sid Chapman tried to TOTALLY GUT the discipline provisions.

MACE doesn’t mind “being known”. But what I object to is MACE being set up as the straw man of “outside influences” while the documented inside influence of Sid Chapman and CCEA remains underreported. You know, like the discipline numbers remain underreported. And who does that? You guessed it. The administrators of CCPS; members of GAE, not MACE.

By JDR

September 15, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Bust it up and start all over.

Seriously, we need out-of-the-box thinking and a darned near far-fetched approach to completely overhaul this mess.

Divide the CCPS into several smaller districts. Eliminate about two thirds of the administration and create community-based clusters of schools under local control or even private control.

I’d even go one step further - give each “mini-district” to one of the “outside influences” and let them compete for the clientele. If your philosophy is so great, compete. If MACE’s support for discipline and classroom teachers’ rights resonates with you, let your child(ren) go there. If you’re more about the “curricula de jour” - go with the district that caters to administrators.

Why not even have a district that is run by a private company, such as Edison or KIPP?

The bottom line is that government does not do much of anything very well. And yet we entrust our future generations to their ineptitude. We’re the bosses (we voters) and we should demand better.

I believe that Clayton County Public Schools are ripe for a great experiment. At this point, it couldn’t get any worse. It’s time to wrest the purse strings from the “but that’s the way it’s always been” crowd and try something innovative, different and daring. What have we got to lose? We need to demand that the incoming board, whoever they may be, hire a truly visionary superintendent with the gonads to create REAL CHANGE.

(News flash: It ain’t Thompson.)

By raja

September 15, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

This mess started with previous MACE members Nedra Ware and Connie Kitchens. They fired Caldwell, alot of good teachers left, NAACP and Jessie Jackson rode in town sayin the board should reflect the community. Ghetto Trash took over like Sandra Scott, Baines-Hunter, Haynes,Strong, Everett, and Rod Johnson. All a bunch of self-serving,ignorant, low-class people.

You will not get my vote in district 1 if you are a member of MACE, friends with Lee&Jewel Scott, Hill, or any of their friends. Endosement dosen’t matter to me, I’m very hard to impress. We will always have outside influnces on the board because people don’t vote their best interest. They vote on race, pretty postcards, swagger, what their preacher say or just stupidity.

By Mojo Mist

September 15, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Yes, I agree that Ware, Kitchens, Scott, Strong, etc. were MACE but MACE is NOT the problem. Those on the board are the problem. It’s like saying when a Dr. is negligent when caring for a patient that the American Medical Association is the reason. NO!

Blaming MACE only disguises the core problems: Lack of integrity of those in office, voter mentality when electing individuals, and lack of accountability to the community we’ve had here. I am hopeful this has changed. In order to fix the problem, we have to identify it accurately. It is not outside influences, it’s how they are managed.

By hmmmm

September 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

I want to thank this blog for providng me with insight on both sides to be proactive instead of reactive. I went to the board appointment meeting on Saturday and the candidates from district 2 and 5 did not reflect the diversity I would like to see on the board. I actually think all races and socioeconomic backgrounds should be represented to make this work. Hopefully people will stop voting by race and vote on who has the best credentials and passion for our students. I am African American and I believe we as black folk can get the job done but what’s wrong with having diversity in leadership? I hate to see mono racial leadership of any color and I think we are going to have to look at ourselves and ask if this was a all white board, would we feel so lax about this situation. No! We would be marching down Tara Blvd. with Jesse and AL leading the way. I counted maybe 30-40 people at this last meeting. My husband and I are fairly young professionals who can see the beauty of Clayton County despite the ugliness of the leadership. I love my house and the diversity in my neighborhood. We are trying to hold on and unlike most our neighbors, we could move, please don’t make us. I have never ran from a fight but hey give us a break. Also Mr. King, (board member) I thought you were trying to display ethical behavior but I witnessed on Saturday your willingness to be difficult for no earthly reason. Knock it off!!!

By Clueless

September 15, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Now that we recognize part of the problem with CCPS Board members. What can we do to fix it?

Parents need to be involved on a consistent level not just when something is wrong. It’s pathetic!

I agree with “hmmmm” where is the diversity.

By PHJ

September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Yes, we need diversity, but did you see any other race of people willing to assume these positions?

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

No Raja this mess started with none other than GAE Rod Johnson seeking personal revenge against Norreese Haynes because Haynes costs the Johnson family thousands of dollars in illegally gotten gains (Haynes exposed wife Celeste’s illegal double dipping, and Haynes exposed Johnson KNOWINGLY hiring an accused child molester, which cost Johnson his job with the Sheriff’s Dept.

It was aided an abbetted by former board chair; GAE member Ericka Davis who might have been a tad bit worried about the land deal, and just how close someone might connect her to Stephens. Why do you think she was in the SACS office so often that even Elgart’s own people contacted other board members, concerned that Davis presence might compromise the objectivity of the “investigation”.

And don’t forget the last piece of the Unholy Trinity, Elgart himself. You don’t think he was more than willing to use SACS as an instrument of political retribution? Do you really think he came down here to perform an “objective” investigation “for the children”?

The fact that a twenty seven page report has not a single mention of Davis (despite the micromanaging emails including one to CCEA head Sid Chapman saying “Sid, it’s time to field a new slate of candidates”) tells you all you need to know.

Funny how Fulton parents, begged and pleaded Elgart to look into the mess in their system, yet when it’s his cronies involved, there is no “investigation” not even a cursory glance.

If you want to bow down to the god of Elgart so be it; he might be able to bestow accreditation, but what he can’t deliver is a quality school system. That’s not going to come about until we empower teachers to have control of their classrooms in terms of discipline and holding students responsible for their work and behavior, without the threat of retaliation from administrators who have become so fearful of lawsuits, and of public perception, that as a group, they have lost their backbone.

By fred schwartz

September 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

What we need is a bunch of bootjack nazi’s or even chinese communist militia to take over. Someone that will not take any of the racist self serving, boo hoo hoo , I’m a victim crap from anyone that’s not willing to roll up thier sleeves and get Clayton county schools straightened out and on the right track. With hold the pay paychecks of those that show any inkling of self serving behavior, as Mr. King is already doing. Demand appropriate behavior from the BOE. One screwup and you’re out, bring someone else in and do that until you get it right. You don’t have it right yet. Stop whining and crying about MACE did this MAce did that, the GAE did this, John Trotter ‘s the cause, (well that’s probably true, lol) Attn. Clayton parents - you’re a broken record. We’re heard your silly childish crap, If you can’t come up with something that’s beneficial, then shut the F%^& up. Do something positive. I don’t care what race you are. As far as I’m concerned we’re all of the human race. Start acting like it!

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Fred Schwartz,

Might be a broken record-to you. But can you personally guarantee that no one new ever comes to these boards? If not, that’s one of the beauties of the blogsphere-to provide information that mainstream media can’t-or won’t.

I happen to think an informed citizenry is a benefit. Sorry if that pales in comparison to your idea of ethnic cleansing (jackbootted Nazis?) as a beneficial solution (“Final Solution”?)

By Oh please

September 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

The outside influences have taken advantage of the public’s ignorance and apathy. Subsequently, both are to blame, but which is the lesser of two evils?

Attn: Clayton Parents - Why don’t you provide us a link to Sid Chapman’s website so that we can see for ourselves how open and brazen he is about his financial holdings in the retirement system? It may be different with teachers, but when I left my old job, I was entitled to keep my money in the company’s 401k and continue collecting dividends. I’ve asked you before to give us proof of your claims and instead you continue to sound off with your perpetual rhetoric. If there is really something disreputable going on with Sid Chapman, then give us something to chew on.

By Whatever

September 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

There were many things that caused the previous board to self destruct. Out side influences were just one of them. And yes it was all of the different alphabet groups who were at fault. But let’s not forget that gross incompetence and stupidity were also a big factor. they went in there whit their own agendas and HUGE chips on their shoulders. They let themselves get bought off by the unions. But most of all they never put the well being of the children first. They were stupid, greedy and corrupt. Not to mention morally bankrupt.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Oh please,

So you were able to keep your money in your old companies 410k? But were years earned in your new job counted toward a pension in your old job?

That’s what’s happening with Sid Chapman. It’s not that he’s earning money, it’s that he’s earning years in the Teachers Retirement System by NOT teaching.

Mind you, it’s not illegal (thanks to a sweetheart deal approved by the General Assembly) and CCEA does reimburse CCPS. I wonder how Clayton teachers feel about someone paying dues to subsidize the salary of someone who then tried to totally abolish their rights to discipline establish by the Teachers Bill of Rights?

The point is, how can Elgart claim an “outside influence” of MACE, yet say nothing about the fact that CCEA actually pays CCPS to have an inside influence?

Here’s the quote below from the CCEA Website that acknowledges it

Sid Chapman, a teacher at Morrow High School since 1996, was recently re-elected by acclamation for a two year term as CCEA Fulltime Release President. CCEA is one of three local presidents in GAE with full-time release from the classroom and one of many throughout the NEA. ( The current President of GAE, Jeff Hubbard, is also a full-time release employee of CCPS) CCEA/GAE has had numerous release- time presidents over many years under numerous superintendents and Boards of Education. The CCPS does not contribute one cent to salary and benefits of the employee during the release -time period. CCEA/GAE/NEA are extremely credible organizations.

By openedup

September 15, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

What an opening! MACE is a factor only for one reason, Mr. Attn: Clayton Parents. That would be Mr. or Dr. or whatever credentials he would like ascribed to his name, John Trotter. He is the vindictive force behind the destruction of the system or at least placing people on the board that led to such negativism that the downfall was a result. I hesitate to mention it because I’m sure he is proud of all this FUBAR MESS! And we can post and post but Attn: will just be back with the same old crappola that I skip every time I see it since I know what it will be spewing. All right, admittedly, I do skim just to see if he comes up with an original idea.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

openedup,

I course you skip it openedup. I would pretend it didn’t exists either if I couldn’t effectively rebut it.

Unfortunately, you can’t skip a majority voting bloc of GAE members, two of which Rod Johnson and Ericka Davis cost the system its accreditation as part of a politically motivated vendetta.

And you people actually think Elgart is here “for the children”.

By John Stewart

September 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

How did I know that this topic was going to create the unending dribble from Clayton Parents.

CP your crew is gone!!! Hallelujah!!!!! Let’s be truthful about some things. Heck I might even agree with you on some things.

Mace’s fingerprints shoot Mace’s whole hand print was all over the Coup D’etat pulled off by the unholy trinity with the removal of Dan Caldwell. It was then that Clayton County schools started their downward spiral.

Let me ask you this. What does a teacher advocate have to do with local politics unless he/she is trying to change something. Let’s also look at all of the political races that Trotter has been involved in. Do you know what the common denominator is with all of them? Cries of racism!!!! Don’t believe me? Let’s name a couple of political races that Trotter has been involved in………..

Let me also ask you this CP. What does a teachers advocate organization need with contracts from the school system that is has an Antagonistic relationship with? Wait, Wait………I feel an In Living Color Damon and Keynon Wayons Homeboy shopping network coming on……….Can you say……….. Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money!!!!

Let’s just cut the ish and say what this is all about.

MONEY!!!!

No one gives a ish about our kids!!! Its all about who can get paid.

You keep crying about GAE/CCEA and Sid Chapman and and his retirement. What is it about? Money!!!

Noreese Haynes was crying about the Land Deal. What was that about? Money!!! It was really about kickbacks that some people never saw.

Rod Johnson throws Haynes under the bus for the Alternative school education contract. A bid that Haynes had a clear conflict of interest with. What was that about? Money!!!

Haynes exposes Johnson’s wife for double dipping. What was that about? Money!!!

What is this all about? Money!!!

CCPS is if I am correct the only school district that has a budget surplus of over 50 million.

Let me say this and I’m done and this won’t be a Dave Chapelle “When Keepin’ it Real Goes Wrong” moment.

The only way that this district is going to turn itself around are these reasons -

By Clay

September 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

We all need to do our homework on ALL candidates, including the ones for SHERIFF. I am hearing and seeing something I don’t like about Kimbrough, I did my homework and it is ALL TRUE what is being said about him. School Board, Sheriff Office, they All affect the movement in this county and, we need to be educated and vote right and most qualified this time not party or color. I was at the parade Saturday and met Rainwater. A very sincere man and qualified in my book. We need to do the same with the school board. This mess with them is not changing the way it should. They need to be trained correctly to educate our children and not fight and do illegal stuff that will mess us up again. I pray this time we make the right choices. Our life depends on it.!!!!!!

By Maggie Martinez

September 15, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

Come and say hello to Maggie Martinez. She is running for district one. Meet & Greet at Dollar Queen (beside Publix) Lovejoy. Saturday, September 20th, 2008. www.maggiemartinez2008.com

By At It Again

September 15, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

Just knew that this topic would be like giving sugar to a three year old. You are so jacked-up, Attn:Clayton Parents. Take some time and clean up before your next post, you might wear yourself out.

But then you trot out the same old rhetoic. Think maybe you could just post the same old stuff just once a week to get the newbies up to par with your views? Sad though. Those of us who have been here the last 10 years know exactly what MACE, Trotter and friends have done to this school system. They were by no stretch of the imagination the only BAD influences - but were big ones.

Trotter got his start on this path because he was dissed, in his mind by, the Clayton school system some 15-20 years ago. He has a long memory and a penchant for vendetta. Those who did this to him are long gone but he does not care, he will show them not to disrepect him, no matter who it hurts (like 53000 students). Trotter’s influence came from him telling blacks with the “victim mentality”, what they wanted to hear. That he had their best interests at heart and to follow him. Some would say he married to get an IN into the black community. Apparently to Trotter, MACE’s small group of members are more important than the 53000 children in our system. I got a news flash for you - the parents of those 50000 kids finally figured you out and do not give a damn about your members when they come between their children and the education that could change their children’s futures.

The first bad round of interaction between Clayton and MACE/Trotter was when he engineered the campaigns and an appointment of a total of 6 of the BOE members. Talk about a voting block majority. Remember Nedra(new sheriff in town)Ware amd the horsewomen of the apocalypse. Some of the BOE before her were not upstanding individuals, but this lady, with a gut full of MACE hate-for-whitey was beyond compare. One of those 6 MACE members quit after only 2 months - maybe she found a conscience.

It is amazing how you just discount the damage done by all those on the recent BOE that were there for their own enrichment and not for the students. You know, Noreese Haynes, Rev Johnson, Sandra Scott, Lois Baines-Hunter. Then, those who stood by and did nothing to stop them - Ms Everett, Ms Strong and Mr Ashe. And then, those overwhelmed by the ineptitude of all the others, Ms Davis and Mr White.

Why do you not address the fact that Noreese Haynes - CEO of MACE (yeah, right) and was on the BOE, was conflict of interest? Why do you not address the fact that Trotter had unprecedented access to the BOE offices, backoffices and executive sessions thru Noreese? Why do you not address the verbal threats that are quite common from John Trotter on those he feels he can bully, or provoke to attack him? Why do you not address the fact that John seems quite Schizophrenic at times? Why do you not address the fact that Noreese illegally used the School system email to solicit for MACE? Why do you not address the fact that the only time in the last eight years, when SACS was not at our door was during the 2 years of relative tranquility and hard work that DID NOT include members of MACE on the BOE? You like to ask questions, can you answer some too.

NO, MACE is not the MAIN problem in this County and its school system. It is the gullible blacks who believed this charlatan, and the unknowing voters who voted black above anything else, including their childs educational opportunities and chance of a better future.

Have a nice day! Think way back. Bye.

By The Power of Truth

September 15, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. The outside influences that DESTORYED Clayton’s School System was the people with lots of Money, Power and Influence. These people were not mentioned in the MEDIA because they FUND the MEDIA.

People like Terrell Starr, Truett Cathy, Gail Buckner and the like. These people have or have had multimillion dollar contracts with the school system for years. Somewhere along the line in this SACS episode these people felt threaten by CCBOE members, their livelihood which is MONEY was threaten.

These powerful people along with some unsavory CCBOE members set out on a campaign to RID the entire school board of its members or DESTORY the school system in its entirety and rebuild from scratch. This was done in an effort to again stack the deck (the school board) with members sympathetic to their cause which is MONEY the school system has and HOW it’s spent. These people don’t care at all about your little black children only Money. Money is the only reason that Clayton’s School System was DESTORYED.

Only Money could DEMAND the kind of MEDIA Attention paid to this whole SACS/ACCREDITATION ORDEAL! To believe that were any other reason is very FOOLISH, INJUDICIOUS and UNWISE. Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.

This truth should be kept constantly in mind by every free people desiring to preserve the sanity and poise indispensable to the permanent success of self-government. There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.

By Jasmine

September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

At It Again,

I agree about the black part also. As blacks we have to also look at ourselves. All I kept hearing during the primary and run off were vote black. What does color have to do with a job????? What is important is that you know how to do that JOB????? This is one of the things that got us where we are now thinking narrow minded. People let’s stop being so structured and open up for change in this county. Guess what, we have nothing to lose now!!!!!!

By Jack Buckhead

September 15, 2008 6:37 PM | Link to this

Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange.

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. Truth is sacred; and if you tell the truth too often nobody will believe it.

The forces that tend for evil are great and terrible, but the forces of truth and love and courage and honesty and generosity and sympathy are also stronger than ever before. The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.

As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever.

By REAL REFLECTION

September 15, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Outside Influences, Elgin Bell and Ericka Davis in the LAND, SACS & State telling the County who they as Superintendent, Mayors extending the Superintendent Contract, The Rotary Club, White Churches, Black Churches, The Chamber of Commerce wanted to determine CCBOE members disenfranchise Voter. Outside Influences is Outside Influences

By profkemp

September 15, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Forgive me if I seem cynical. I am. I spend a lot of time with college freshmen undoing the damage that 12 years of such miseducation has foisted upon most of them. I’ve been to visit my niece’s class in Dekalb County and had the teacher abandon 25-30 elementary school kids to me, a complete stranger, for over two hours while she went God knows where. I had to take these kids to the restrooms, but didn’t know where the restrooms were. I’ve been a poet in the schools and similarly had entire classes dropped in my lap. Folks, we really need to clean out the system as it exists, build more and smaller schools, and hire more teachers who are competent in something other than posterboarding.

By Robin Kemp

September 15, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

P.S. Clearly, my competence is not in math!!! 12% voted, 88% didn’t. Too quick on the trigger.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 15, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

So many MACE bashers; so little time.

Let’s start with John Stewart. How could you offer a prescription for fixing Clayton Schools and not metioned increasing support to teachers in matters of discipline? I thought we at least agreed on that.

And if you do agree on that, riddle me this; who else but MACE has consistently put discipline at the forefront of their efforts? Has Elgart mentioned it? Sonny? Thompson? Eldrin Bell? Sid Chapman? (Yeah, he “mentioned it” but when the Teachers Bill of Rights passed, he connived to put forth a counterproposal to abolish the teacher’s right to remove disruptive students and maintain the integrity of the learning environment)

Seriously John Stewart what do you think has the bigger impact on the day to day ability of teachers to teach effectively in CCPS; the antics of the school board, or the totally not uncommon occurance of a student getting defiant, calling a teacher a “B!TCH” or some other unmentionable, and then getting a slap on the wrist from a spineless CCPS administration?

Can you address THAT, John Stewart?

The thing is John Stewart, is that MACE has been the only entity to address that in a truthful, consistent manner. Do I think they are perfect? In a word, no. (Is any organization “perfect”?) Do I think some members have used MACE to get elected, then turned their backs on MACE to persue personal, petty, agendas? Yes, and it really bothers me, for those people do even more damage to the goal of restoring discipline than those in GAE and CCPS who turn a blind eye to it.

I may not spend my time actively bashing them (there are already enough bloggers out there willing to detail what’s wrong with MACE LOL) but you won’t see me defend them without reservation because they come under the “MACE banner”.

Ever see me defend Nedra Ware and what’s come to be known as “The Four Horsewomen of the Apocolypse”? Sandra Scott? Those “MACE affliated” members who signed Thompson to that inexplicable contract?

I will defend Norreese Haynes because I think he is the one board member who consistently talked about the corruption AND lack of discipline in CCPS. The land deal. The PPP (Pulliam Patronage Plan). The illegal double dipping. The KNOWINGLY hiring an accused child molester. He may have turned Robert’s Rules of Order on its head at the beginning (for the greater good of bringing more public awarness to the land deal) and done a better job of talking to the neighbors (I hear the residency question may still go to appealate court, where hopefully the rule of law will be applied by judges more immune to political pressure than a local judge—running for re-election if memory serves me)

Ultimately, you do have the one trump card that would render MACE moot, John Stewart. And that’s if parents uniformly did their job, and taught their children to respect adult authority.

But who’s taking the bull by the horns on that issue, collectively speaking? Nobody. Although DADS tried, Thompson shut them down. Do you really think, if there was a MACE majority on the board they would have shut DADS down? I don’t think so.

So now back to the original question. Discipline is the elephant in the living room nobody wants to talk about.

So if not MACE John Stewart who? Who steps in to fill the void, that no one has shown the willingness to. Who?

By blah blah blah

September 16, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Isn’t John Stewart on the Daily Show?

By Oh please

September 16, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Attn: Clayton Parents - Your quote reads like an unpaid leave of absence meaning that their teaching status could be reinstated at any time. I’m not sure I see the deception you are purporting on GAE and Sid Chapman.

blah blah blah - John is a really common name, and Stewart is a somewhat common surname. Don’t you think in a world of like 10 billion people that there might actually be more than one?

By PHJ

September 16, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

blah blah blah and oh please….. Did you ever think that John Stewart might,just might, be his blogging name?

By WTF?

September 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Attn: Clayton Parents does not think. He just cuts and pastes previous posts here thinking that if he says the same thing continously we will be brainwashed into believing his dribble.

Obviously you cann’t really defend MACE/Trotter against John Stewart’s post(s) or the last thing you would be worried/talking about is his user name.

By John Stewart

September 16, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Yes John Stewart is my blogging name. Not sure if you are a comic book fanatic and I borrowed it because I like a lot of his qualities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JohnStewart(comics)

Clayton Parents I’m not finished with you. I was thinking this morning that you are the master of obfuscation. Then I said to myself no this guy is a master at trying to bait people people with off topic dribble. I then said to myself no this guy is a verbal masterbaiter because he really loves to here himself talk.

I’ll be back in a little bit to respond to you.

By mlk

September 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

John Trotter, John Trotter, John Trotter aka Attn Clayton Parent. you are still talking the same ole nonsense. The reason that you defend Norressee Haynes is because you two probably are lovers. Remember, he was outted by his gay lover during Bell’s investigation of his fake residency. He defrauded the County for political gain. the only thing the court needs to determine is if he should pay back the money he received when he fraudently won the election. That guy was and is a joke. Saddly enough, he and you are the main reasons why this county does not have an accrediation. It is one big ripple effect. You guys run pulliam out of here and replace her with duncan. you guys then shove your hands up duncan’s backside and treat her like a puppet. She loses control and then sacs comes in. She goes out and hire a lawyer who rapes and pillages the system and then throws it under the bus when the board holds him accountable. To try and clean it up, the dysfunctional board brings in an ego maniac who lied to us and said we would retain accreditation. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. Trotter and Haynes were steps one and two in this debacle. Thanks for all that you have done for our children. Like the old folks say, Trotter, if you were on fire, I wouldn’t even pee on you.

By Sick of you all

September 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

OK here we go again. The question is did outside influences cause the board to lose accredition. NOW everybody is running around like their hair is on fire, pointing fingers at somebody else. “It wasn’t us it was GAE” “Well it wasn’t us it was MACE.” “Well is sure wasn’t us blacks, it was whitey,(kill whitey).”” It wasn’t us whites, it was the dumb black voters.” ” It sure wasn’t me I’m just the Superintendent for the money.” “Well it wasn’t __(fill in the blanks for your favorite reason) it was__.” Does anybody see a pattern here? So I would say why YES there were outside influences, lots and lots of them. So what are YOU going to do to make sure we get our accredition back besides point fingers and yell It wasn’t me? On that note remember the old saying “THE SMELLER IS THE FELLER” which means the one pointing and yelling is usually guilty and trying to pass blame. So either try to do something positive to help or just SHUT UP. We don’t need any more negativity.

By Long time Clayton Resident

September 16, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

Attn Clayton Parents is apparently in severe need of psychological help. Delusions of grandure, obsessive compulsive disorder (the obsessive need to post the same crap over and over and over), child like intellect (couldn’t win a battle of wits against an unarmed man), plus the fact he’s an idiot. Yes , this is an attack on you. I, as well as 99.9% of the people that post here, am tired of your crap. You could at least post something new, but your little, confined mind can’t is apparently exhausted. Go somewhere where you’re appreciated, in your own head.

By District 5 resident

September 16, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

To the blogger “The Power of Truth”, you are an idiot.

Have you ever met the “white” people you listed in your blog? I’ve met Truett Cathy and personally know one of his sons. They are nothing but good Christians who try to help all.

If that makes them evil, then I don’t want to be good.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

Long time Clayton Resident.

Of course I’m an idiot with a child like intellect. My lack of even basic spelling and grammar skills and my extremely limited vocabulary would indicate as much. I’m surprised you even took the time to note something so patently obvious.

By the way Long time Clayton Resident, are “delusions of grandure” anything like delusions of grandeur? I was having trouble discerning your meaning, given my well documented cognitive deficits, and the fact that my mind is so exhausted :)

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Oh please.

A four year leave of absence? And the exact same benefits as teachers who are in the trenches each and every day?

Does that not strike you as a bit of a cozy arrangement? If a MACE member was the beneficiary of such an arrangement, would you be so quick to dismiss it?

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 16, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

John Stewart,

I’m not here to obfuscate the issue; I’m here to focus the issue. And the issue that has the greatest negative impact on CCPS is the lack of support for teachers in matters of discipline.

Do you think I’m wrong on this? Do you think accreditation is what’s stopping CCPS from being a quality school system? If so let me ask you this. CCPS has the lowest SAT scores right? Well guess what the other nine schools in the bottom ten all have in common? They’re all accredited!

Also John Stewart, I’m not obfuscating with you on issues I don’t disagree with you on. Namely, that some “MACE affliated” members who have thrown their hat into the political ring, have hurt the cause of teachers by acting foolish and ignorant. If you think it bothers you, it really bothers me, because I know in this day and age how much teachers need advocacy, and not board members who turn their backs on it to persue personal, petty agendas.

And think back, have you seen me reflexively defend everybody who has come under the so-called MACE umbrella? Nedra Ware and her crew? The MACE members who signed Thompson to that mess of a contract? You haven’t…and you won’t.

But, regrettable as those individuals’ actions have been, MACE is still the only organization that unequivocally works to restore the good teaching conditions essential for good learning to take place.

Again John Stewart, I’m not in disagreement with some of the points you have made. I’m fully aware that Clayton County politics is an incestuous cesspool that can leave a stink on almost anybody who gets involved with it.

But I’m equally aware of what happens to teachers who don’t get proper support. What it does to hamper their ability to teach, and what that does in turn to the students. It is simply not fair that a small percentage of chronically disruptive students continually hijack the learning process, because CCPS won’t address, or even acknowledge it takes place. Spend some extended time in a CCPS school, especially one with an at risk poplulation, and I think you’d be fully aware as well.

Let me finish with a question John Stewart, or to anyone who wants to bash MACE. If you acknowledge discipline is a major, major problem then I have one word for you: Who?

Who would you have me throw my support behind in terms of truly advocating for teachers? Thompson? Elgart? Sonny? For better or worse, who else has made supporting teachers a cornerstone of their philosophy? Not CCEA, because when push came to shove, they tried to abolish the teacher’s right to discipline when the Teachers’ Bill of Rights was passed.

Teachers deserve better. They deserve the chance to actually teach without being told to manage chronically disruptive students who destroy the integrity of the classroom learning environment. The other students in the room deserve better. Even the chronic disruptors deserve the opportunity to learn that there are consequences for anti-social behavior, so they don’t have to learn it more painfully later.

Does anybody disagree with that last paragraph? If you don’t then just tell me who? Which horse in this race is willing to stand up for the things that MACE has traditionally been willing to advocate for?

Suggestions?

By Oh please

September 16, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

You know, this is why I blog here. You guys crack me up! :)

By A PEEK INSIDE

September 16, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this

Outside Influences, people wanting Diversity on the School Board, however, can’t garner enough votes, Outside Influences, SACS, telling School Board who should be Superintendent. Outside Influences State telling School Board who should be Superintendent.

Outside Influences, Elgin Bell daily visit to School Administration Building. Outside Influences, Sid Chapman’s Clayton Daily News contribution of $250.00 to Mary Barker’s Campaign. Outside Influences Atlanta flush housing projects to Clayton.

Outside Influences whites in district 6 vote against Bodkin because she’s black. Outside Influences white flight but businesses stay. Outside Influences, David Barton’s Wife receiving a sevenfold pay increase from school system. Outside Influences Rich whites people. Outside Influences dumb blacks people.

Outside Influences greedy whites. Outside Influences spineless black people. Outside Influences Larry O’Keefe, weekly visit to SACS office. Outside Influences Bob Hartley campaign manager for Alieka. Outside Influences black people sacrifice kids for a dollar.

Outside Influences, Cid Cox, campaign manager for Charlton Bivins. Outside Influences Low Voter turnout. Outside Influences Voter voting along color lines. Outside Influences perceived wrong candidate wins.

Outside Influences Clayton News Daily. Outside Influences, AJC. Outside Influences AJC, Clayton Talk Blog. The List goes on and on and on and on.

By KDC

September 16, 2008 6:31 PM | Link to this

You know something that strikes me as interesting in this whole blog is that I don’t recall seeing one single posting that holds the PARENTS accountable for CCPS losing their accreditation. When I graduated from Morrow HS in 1988- oru parents were involved. Our parents kicked our tails if we were disrespectful of our adults, our teachers or even ourselves. Where were the parents at when the schools weren’t pulling up the appropriate grades? Where were the parent teacher conferences that heard parents asking a teacher “What can we do to help you teach our kids?” Where were the parents who had the chance to vote for a board that reflected the whole county? This is a predominantly black county with a predominately black board. But it isn’t all black, and it isn’t all white- its leadership should be an accurate reflection. Right now our ignorant school board (who in my opinion are selfish and squabbling all the time) are an absolute 100% true reflection of the ignorance of our citizens who want to blame others. This county needs to stop all the bickering, stop pointing fingers and stop worrying about outside influences and start taking responsibility for its own problems. My mama always said that if you lay down with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas. If this county continues to allow people without integrity run its schools, and allows parents to let their kids run wild, and all of our issues be about race, who-dunits, and who’s fault it is- CCPS won’t ever get its butt out of a sling. We’ll just continue to be a “poor black county” with poor black kids, poor welfare mama’s who can’t control their kids, poor teachers who can’t do their jobs appropriately because of bull-crap politics, and someone will still be griping about John Trotter! UGH- ya’ll almost deserve what you’ve gotten- thank God my kids don’t go to school here!

By I'LL FIX THIS MYSELF

September 16, 2008 6:34 PM | Link to this

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Don’t think of retiring from the world until the world will be sorry that you retire.

I hate a fellow whom pride or cowardice or laziness drives him into a corner, and who does nothing when he is there but sit and growl. Let him come out as I do, and bark and profess Bigotry and Racism in this SACS things, when it’s right on the tip of the county’s nose.

You let whites take your kids accreditation because they say you don’t know how to VOTE. You trust Dummies like Bob Hartley and Rod Johnson. They sold their own kids for a dollar. The wise speak only of what they know.

By KDC

September 16, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

By the way- in spite of me thinking he’s an idiot, can we at least spell Mr. Bell’s name correctly?

For those who don’t know- it’s ELDRIN!! not Elgin..

By IN THE FIGHT ALONE

September 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly. We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities.

Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angels know of us. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of oppression; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf.

I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. If men will not act for themselves, what will they do when the benefit of their effort is for all?

By BACK AT YAH

September 16, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

OKN KDC,

How about this name Clayton County Commissioner Chairman, Uncle Tom Bell. How you like that IDOIT, ELDRIN LOVER!!

By EYES OF THE FUTURE

September 16, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

SACS, Elgart talked the County’s Elite and the School district into Not Filing an Appeal because he doesn’t want anyone Superior to him REVIEWING his decision and looking over his shoulders. Elgart is a White Boy with TOO MUCH POWER. Facts will HAUNT HIM and you.

By Oh please

September 17, 2008 8:33 AM | Link to this

I agree with some of the things our racist friend Dr. Dowell has said. We cannot rely on anyone to fix this problem for us. Waiting around for people to correct the problem is what got us here in the first place. No one has the children’s interest more at heart than their parents.

KDC - I personally take offense when people want to wag their fingers at the parents. I was involved before we lost accreditation. My kids are straight A students. Admittedly, I am having some behavior issues with my youngest, but I always address them immediately and NEVER give my children the resemblance of permission to disrespect their teachers. Now, because of this, I have become even more involved and volunteer more often. The problem did not begin at the school level. It began at the board level, and although that there are some parents who are too self-centered to care, I don’t believe the fault lies wholly with them.

By Sick of you all

September 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

To I’LL FIX THIS MYSELF, BACK AT YAH, AND EYES OF THE FUTURE. Here we go again with the “Usens are just poor dumb __. Who are being picked on by de man. (kill whitey). What racist BS. I can not believe that anybody could really be that ignorant and perverse. So the only thing left to believe is that all of you are under cover recruiters for the KKK. And it JUST might be working. Bet you are proud of your handy work.

By John Stewart

September 17, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

OK Clayton Parents I hopefully let you get it all out now I will respond.

Let’s tackle the issue of discipline in schools. You have no beef with me on this issue as I am from the old school and remember the paddle of discipline applied to the seat of correction.

Here lies your problem with your continued support of Mace on this issue. You ready for this………….. MACE has lost all credibility Truth be told Trotter has used this as a hot button issue to garner support of teachers; however he has never been genuine in his approach; he has always had some type of angle. You never addressed AT IT AGAIN when they clearly pointed out Trotter “engineered” the campaigns of “6” board members who were either a part of MACE or MACE sympathizers. Why wasn’t a teachers Bill of Rights drafted back then. It was sure to pass even with opposition. Trotter couldn’t give a rats *ss about teachers in ClayCo.

Do you really want to know who can advocate for the teachers so that they can “have the proper teacher conditions so that there will be proper learning conditions”.

PARENTS!!!!!!

When parents start giving a *amn about their kids in this county and know what is going on in their child’s classroom by being in communication with their teachers then we will see a change in the school system.

When parents start giving a *amn and attending Board meetings and putting pressure on their elected reps to create policy that addresses discipline in the classroom then we will see a change in the school system.

When parents start getting educated about those running for school board and county elections then we will see a change in the school system.

When parents get involved with the school system they will see the economic engines of the County really start to turn. Great school system brings in people that want to live in the county which in turn improves property values which in turn brings businesses to the county. (If I hear any candidate from 1 or 9 say this I will know you don’t have any original ideas)

Clayton County is not Washington DC. We can reach out and touch our elected officials.

Now let me address this issue concerning Sid Chapman. Get this CP and get it clearly………….

Chapmans deal is NOT ILLEGAL

You keep *itching and complaining about it as if you are jealous.

Clayton Parents you asked this in your earlier post -

“”Let me finish with a question John Stewart, or to anyone who wants to bash MACE. If you acknowledge discipline is a major, major problem then I have one word for you: Who?”

The answer is in your name!!!

By WTF?

September 17, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

The turnout in District 6 last night was awful. Congratulations District 6, Mary Baker is also an outside influence in a sense. She went to SACS and Elgart with information as well. Unfortunately the alternative wasn’t much better than Baker, but to win with less than 1,200 votes is the epitome of apathy.

By At It Again

September 17, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

To - Attn:Clayton Parents

You have addressed (in your mind) The issues from John Stewart. But have ignored mine. I feel neglected.

By See What Happens

September 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

As an AA, I voted yesterday and was completely embarrassed by the low turn out. Especially the extremely low turn out of the AA community. The 6th District covers part of Fielder Rd. and Hwy. 138, and I know for a fact that there are more AA’s in that area that are registered to vote that all of the voters that turned out/ So before any of you race baiters (Trotter/Scott/Dowell) say anything, please understand that there is a problem within our own race that needs to be resolved. I do not believe that just registering someone to vote is the answer either. We must educate the public. And by the way, this blog is informative to a degree, but people, wake up and do not think that this information spewed here is the gospel or the truth.

If you want to know how to judge a great person, just ask them for their ideas. A great person talks of ideas, a small person talks about other people.

By The Master Mole

September 17, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

The Master and His Moles found this out:

I have checked the legal databases and it seems that Ms. Michael B. King also has an ” FAKE LAW Degree ” from and unaccredited Law School named Atlanta Law School, and He/She also sued the another Law School because they gave he/she a bad grade in a class, as this information is in all the legal databases under his/her name.

I guess that is why no one will hire him/her in any company or Big Law Firm because of that Fake Degree and only works for him/her own self . ,but he/he did pass the Georgia Bar test to work an be a Attorney hum What a FU$KING JOKE and this Assclown is on our Clayton County School Board.

And I know there are other conflicts of interest that Ms. Kings has as well as she/he sits up on the board.

His/Her Fake Name on the State Bar website as it is on the membership listing on the State Bar of Georgia website as they even show it listed.

http://www.gabar.org/

Go to see if the attorney is listed as a member and then put her/his name in the fields and you will see that Atlanta Law School is listed.

But here is more interesting Info, I guess this was before his Atlanta Law School, as these 3 legal cases came from the Law Databases.

1) Case

238 Ga. App. 4, *; 516 S.E.2d 581, ; 1999 Ga. App. LEXIS 552, *; 99 Fulton County D. Rep. 1831

View Official Reports PDF of This Document KING v. BOARD OF REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA.

A99A0347.

COURT OF APPEALS OF GEORGIA

238 Ga. App. 4; 516 S.E.2d 581; 1999 Ga. App. LEXIS 552; 99 Fulton County D. Rep. 1831

April 22, 1999, Decided

SUBSEQUENT HISTORY: [*1] Reconsideration Denied May 6, 1999. Certiorari Applied for. Petition for Certiorari Denied October 15, 1999, Reported at: 1999 Ga. LEXIS 809.

PRIOR HISTORY: Discovery. Fulton Superior Court. Before Judge Wyatt Cummings Moore.

DISPOSITION: Judgment affirmed. CASE SUMMARY PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Plaintiff attorney appealed from the judgment of the Fulton Superior Court (Georgia), which granted defendant university sanctions when plaintiff refused to sit for a deposition until he received a ruling on his protection order in a case stemming from his unsuccessful tenure as a law student.

OVERVIEW: After plaintiff attorney sued defendant university with claims pertaining to his unsuccessful tenure as a law student, there was difficulty with scheduling depositions. Plaintiff was ordered to sit for his deposition within a specific time frame, but he refused to do so. When defendant moved for sanctions, plaintiff moved for a protective order and refused to sit for any deposition until the trial court ruled on his motion. Following remand, the trial court rescheduled a hearing and served timely written notice on plaintiff, who again failed to appear for deposition. The trial court then denied the protective order and dismissed the complaint. On appeal, plaintiff contended that he was not notified of the rescheduled hearing. He also contended that because his motion for protective order was pending, the trial court was without authority to sanction his refusal to appear for deposition. The court found both arguments to be specious. It rejected plaintiff’s claim that the trial court did not show that he willfully refused to be deposed under Ga. Code Ann. ? 9-11-37 (d). Thus, the complaint was properly dismissed.

OUTCOME: The court affirmed dismissal of plaintiff attorney’s complaint against defendant university relating to his tenure as a law student because plaintiff failed to appear for his scheduled deposition.

CORE TERMS: deposition, protective order, sit, properly-noticed, wilfulness, announced, discovery, repeated, specious, deposed, wilful, re-scheduled, notified, notice

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COUNSEL: Michael B. King, pro se.

Thurbert E. Baker, Attorney General, Dennis R. Dunn, Deputy Attorney General, for appellee.

JUDGES: Senior Appellate Judge Harold R. Banke. Blackburn, P. J., and Barnes, J., concur.

OPINION BY: Harold R. Banke OPINION

[4] [*582] Judge Harold R. Banke.

This is the second appearance of this case before this court. See King v. Bd. of Regents &c., 215 Ga. App. 570 (451 S.E.2d 482) (1994) [*5] (“King I”). Only facts pertinent to the present appeal will be repeated.

Michael King, an attorney, sued the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia pro se based on his unsuccessful tenure as a student at Georgia State University’s College of Law. Based on difficulties in scheduling depositions, the court on September 8, 1993 ordered King to sit for his deposition within 30 days. Despite a properly-noticed deposition for the afternoon of September 27, 1993, King announced he would not sit for his deposition at that time. The Board moved for sanctions, and he countered by moving for a protective order shortly [*2] before the scheduled deposition. He further notified the Board he would not sit for any deposition until the court ruled on his motion for a protective order.

In December 1993 the court held a hearing on the Board’s motion for sanctions and King’s motion for protective order. The court first denied the motion for protective order as lacking any credible legal or factual basis, and then dismissed King’s complaint for his wilful refusal to cooperate with discovery. King I reversed, holding the dismissal had to be set aside for failing to notify King of the hearing, as required by O.C.G.A. ? 9-11-6 (d). 215 Ga. App. at 571.

On remand, the court re-scheduled the hearing and the Board served a timely written notice on King. Once again King did not attend, and the court adopted its December order with the additional finding that King had received proper notice of the rescheduled hearing. King appeals. Held:

In an eight-page order, the court detailed the evidence of King’s wilfulness and repeated abuse of the discovery process. We will not repeat that evidence in detail here. Despite a court order requiring [6] his deposition within 30 days, King refused to sit for a properly-noticed deposition on a day on which he was unquestionably available, and then announced in direct contravention [**4] of the court order that he would not sit for a deposition until a newly-filed motion for protective order was determined. “HN1 ‘The trial court is the trier of fact and its finding of wilfulness from the evidence presented will not be reversed where there is any evidence to support it.’ [Cit.]” Oliff v. Smith, 214 Ga. App. 358, 359 (447 S.E.2d 707) (1994).

The court did not err in dismissing King’s complaint.

Judgment affirmed. Blackburn, P. J., and Barnes, J., concur.

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2) Case

2 F.3d 406; 1993 U.S. App. LEXIS 20957, *

MICHAEL B. KING, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. BOARD OF REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA, et al., Defendants-Appellees.

No. 92-9049, Non-Argument Calendar

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT

2 F.3d 406; 1993 U.S. App. LEXIS 20957

August 19, 1993, Decided August 19, 1993, Filed

NOTICE: [*1] RULES OF THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS MAY LIMIT CITATION TO UNPUBLISHED OPINIONS. PLEASE REFER TO THE RULES OF THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THIS CIRCUIT.

PRIOR HISTORY: Appeal from the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. D.C. Docket No. 1:91-cv-1770-HTW. DISTRICT JUDGE: Ward

COUNSEL: For Plaintiff-Appellant: Michael B. King, pro se, College Park, GA.

For Defendants-Appellees: Dennis R. Dunn, AAG, Atlanta, GA.

JUDGES: Before ANDERSON, BIRCH and DUBINA, Circuit Judges.

OPINION BY: PER CURIAM OPINION

AFFIRMED. See 11th Cir. R. 36-1.

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215 Ga. App. 570, *; 451 S.E.2d 482, ; 1994 Ga. App. LEXIS 1306, *; 94 Fulton County D. Rep. 3919

View Official Reports PDF of This Document KING v. BOARD OF REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM OF GEORGIA.

A94A2645.

COURT OF APPEALS OF GEORGIA

215 Ga. App. 570; 451 S.E.2d 482; 1994 Ga. App. LEXIS 1306; 94 Fulton County D. Rep. 3919

November 22, 1994, Decided

SUBSEQUENT HISTORY: [*1] Reconsideration Denied December 12, 1994. Certiorari Applied for.

PRIOR HISTORY: Motion to set aside. Fulton Superior Court. Before Judge Wyatt Cummings Moore.

DISPOSITION: Judgment reversed. CASE SUMMARY PROCEDURAL POSTURE: Appellant student filed a discretionary appeal from a decision of the Fulton Superior Court (Georgia), which denied the student’s motion to set aside the dismissal of his breach of contract complaint against appellee board of regents and awarded fees and costs against the student.

OVERVIEW: The student filed a breach of contract action against the board of regents based upon his unsuccessful tenure as a student at the state law school. The board sought to compel the student’s attendance at a deposition in accordance with a notice to depose, and the student sought to vacate the notice to depose due to his unavailability. The trial court held a hearing on the motions, and the student failed to appear at the hearing. The record did not show that the student was served with notice of the hearing, and the trial court indicated that the motions were heard pursuant to published notice in accordance with court rules. The trial court granted the board’s motion, dismissed the complaint, and awarded fees and costs to the board. The student appealed, and the court reversed, finding that it was undisputed that the student was not served with notice of the motion hearing in the manner provided by Ga. Code Ann. ? 9-11-6(d), which provided that publication of notice was insufficient. The court held that the absence of proper notice warranted setting aside the trial court’s order.

OUTCOME: The court held that the trial court erred in denying the student’s motion to set aside the dismissal of his complaint and the award of fees and costs.

CORE TERMS: notice, attorney fees, discovery, depose, pro se, receive notice, scheduling, deposition, cooperate, awarding

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HN1 Ga. Code Ann. ? 9-11-6(d) provides that a written motion and notice of the hearing thereon shall be served. Service of such notice is controlled by Ga. Code Ann. ? 9-11-5(b), which provides specific means by which service may be accomplished and does not make provision for service by publication. Publication of notice of a motion hearing date is not, by itself, sufficient compliance with Ga. Code Ann. ? 9-11-6(d). The failure of counsel or a party acting pro se to receive notice of a hearing constitutes such a defect as will authorize the setting aside of the judgment under ? 9-11-60(d)(3). More Like This Headnote | Shepardize: Restrict By Headnote

COUNSEL: Michael B. King, pro se.

Michael J. Bowers, Attorney General, Dennis R. Dunn, Senior Assistant Attorney General, for appellee.

JUDGES: BLACKBURN, Birdsong, Ruffin

OPINION BY: BLACKBURN OPINION

[570] [*482] BLACKBURN, Judge.

This is a discretionary appeal of the trial court’s orders denying appellant Michael B. King’s motion to set aside the dismissal of his complaint against the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia, and awarding fees and costs against him.

King, an attorney, filed a breach of contract action pro se against the appellee, the Board of Regents of the University System of Georgia (Board), based upon his unsuccessful tenure as a student at Georgia State University’s College of Law. On September 8, 1993, because of difficulties in the scheduling of depositions, the trial court granted King’s request to extend discovery for 30 days. The trial court further instructed King to cooperate with the Board’s counsel concerning the [571] scheduling of his deposition in the event that counsel desired to depose him within this period. When King indicated [**2] that he would not be available to be deposed on September 27, 1993, the Board, on September 23, 1993, moved to compel his attendance in accordance with the notice to depose, or in the alternative, to dismiss the complaint and assess attorney fees and costs against King. The next day, King moved the court to vacate the notice to depose.

On December 13, 1993, the trial court held a hearing on the motions, and King failed to appear at the hearing. The record does not show that King was served with notice of the hearing. However, in the trial court’s order of December 28, 1993, the court indicated that the motions were heard “pursuant to published notice in accordance with the Rules of this Court.” The court denied King’s motion, granted the Board’s motion, and dismissed the complaint. The court found that the Board’s counsel was entitled to attorney fees based upon King’s wilful refusal to cooperate with discovery, and subsequently entered an order awarding attorney fees and costs to the Board.

King maintains that he did not receive notice of the hearing on the motion to compel discovery or in the alternative to impose sanctions and dismiss the complaint, and this absence of notice warranted [*3] setting aside of the December 28, 1993, order. We agree.

HN1 O.C.G.A. ? 9-11-6 (d) provides that a written motion and notice of the hearing thereon shall be served. “Service of such notice is controlled by O.C.G.A. ? 9-11-5 (b), which provides specific means by which service may be accomplished and does not make Provision for service by publication. Publication of notice of a motion hearing date is not, by itself, sufficient compliance with [O.C.G.A.] ? 9-11-6 (d).” (Citation and punctuation omitted.) TMS Ins. Agency v. Galloway, 205 Ga. App. 896, 898 (424 S.E.2d 71) (1992). [**483] It is undisputed that King was not served with notice of the motion hearing in the manner provided by statute. “‘The failure of counsel or a party acting pro se to receive notice of a hearing constitutes such a defect as will authorize the setting aside of the judgment under O.C.G.A. ? 9-11-60 (d) (3).’ [Cits.]” Id. at 897. Accordingly, the trial court erred in denying King’s motion to set aside.

King’s remaining enumerations of error are rendered moot by the foregoing.

[*4] Judgment reversed. Birdsong, P. J., and Ruffin, J., concur.

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By Dear God

September 17, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

People, Can we please shorten it up. I know how easy it is to cut and paste, but dear god, keep it to a minimum. I thank you for all the info, but the highlights was all we needed. Please remember that before you post again.

By Sammy Ojean

September 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Thank You Master Mole and your Mole Net for all the inside information you all get.

And to Dear God, I would not care about someone shorten up there post, as Master Mole never has as he and his mole net has always given us all Great inside information dealing with the Lee and Jewel Scott and Victor Hill and all their zoo crew of cronies.

By I pity the fool

September 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

Just when you think things MIGHT get better with new board members, we get more of the same crap. Michael King should be removed immediately. In fact, although I’m not a fan of government taking over anything, the state should take over and appoint an entire temporary board complete with a temp. superintendent. I realize this is outside influence but the inside influence is adding weight to an already sinking ship. That is if you really want to fix the problems. Or just go ahead and watch the implosion of a once great county.

By rev wright

September 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Clayton County’s chickens have come home to roost!

By curious

September 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

To WTF - with what information and when do you think the District 6 rep talked to SACS? Easy to say anything on a blog - without facts it means nothing.

By SNEEK PEEK INFLUENCE

September 17, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Mary Barker won by a Landside. Now I know it’s at least 1075 white folks live in that district. White Folks not voting along color lines, ha, yah right!

Mary Barker is the White Folk SNEEK PEEK into the School Board’s Executive Sessions. Now how UNETHICAL is that? Whites are going to know who bid what on how much and how to under cut it.

But you know, Ethics Only applies to the Black Elected Official in this county. You white talked of QUALIFICATIONS earlier, let’s list her qualifications, pre-school teacher, no degree, attended board meeting nine years. That didn’t get her elected!

Her Greatest Asset in this election was she is WHITE. That the only Prerequisite the whites in this county care need! REAL IS REAL!!! The wise men learn more from the fools than the fools learns from the wise men.

By WHITE INFLUENCE

September 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

If men will not act for themselves, what will they do when the benefit of their effort is for all? A Positive anything is better than negative nothing. “One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.”

Look at how they all voted for Mary Baker; you can be kind to them, but you don’t have to kiss their @$$. Look at what the white folks done to your child’s accreditation, they don’t give a damn about you. Look at the AJC poll done on the day you loss accreditation, it illustrated 98% of the whites that voted wanted you to loss accreditation.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore. Nothing inspires forgiveness quite like revenge.

By ANTI-OJEAN

September 17, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

The white men should know this, “One man cannot hold another man down in the ditch without remaining down in the ditch with him.” You whites are the ones with all the businesses in the county; without accreditation there will be “no more”.

By INFLUENCE UNLIMITED

September 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

First of all, the Post by See what Happens,you are a BIG HEAD WHITE GIRL!!

“Everything with this accreditation, racism and bigotry is simpler than you think and at the same time more complex than you imagine. There are two ways of spreading light — to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.” Fight for your children dreams! Ask for your children accreditation back IMMEDIATELY!!

The permanent temptation of life is to confuse dreams with reality. The permanent defeat of life comes when dreams are surrendered to reality.”

By I'M NONE STOP NOW

September 17, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

A County which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one! If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die?

And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education he may steal the whole railroad. Take your kids accreditation back from these white folk.

Whenever a thing is done for the first time, it releases a little demon. First time accreditation was lost in 40 years! Ability is a poor man’s wealth. You Blacks have the ABILITY to go to HIGHER AUTHORITY THAN SACS!!!

By BRAIN BUSTER

September 17, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. The outside influences that DESTORYED Clayton’s School System was the people with lots of Money, Power and Influence.

These people were not mentioned in the MEDIA because they FUND the WHITE MEDIA. These people have or have had multimillion dollar contracts with the school system for years. Somewhere along the line in this SACS episode these people felt threaten by CCBOE members, their livelihood which is MONEY was threaten. These powerful people along with some unsavory CCBOE members(E.DAVIS,E.WHITE,R.JOHNSON set out on a campaign to RID the entire school board of its members or DESTORY the school system in its entirety and rebuild from scratch. This was done in an effort to again stack the deck (the school board) with members sympathetic to their cause which is MONEY the school system has and HOW it’s spent. These people don’t care at all about your little black children only Money. Money is the only reason that Clayton’s School System was DESTORYED. Only Money could DEMAND the kind of MEDIA Attention paid to this whole SACS/ACCREDITATION ORDEAL! To believe that were any other reason is very FOOLISH, INJUDICIOUS and UNWISE.

NOTE: The bottom line is your child’s accreditation is gone because— White folks love of MONEY!!!

By Common Sense

September 17, 2008 7:04 PM | Link to this

53,000 children don’t have accreditation because Sid Chapman and John Trotter long lasting fight for MONEY AND POWER. Along with other Power & Money Hunger Whites.

By Sammy Ojean

September 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

This is for all the Racist on this Blog that uses the race card to try to put blame on someone else.

And the race card can be played by anyone and all cultures, so Grow up.

White Folks are not the blame, it is us that is uneducated and self serving black folks that totally shame us black folks that is very well educated like me.

By Next

September 18, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

SNEEK PEEK INFLUENCE - WHITE INFLUENCE - INFLUENCE UNLIMITED - I’M NONE STOP NOW - BRAIN BUSTER

Nice try John Trotter, Glen Dowell and Noreese. From the very people who talk a good game about voting rights - shame on you for trying to disenfranchized those (esp. whites) who do vote. But we know you to be evil racist pigs that you are. Are you mad that Ms. Bodkin vote percentage was equal to Glen’s 8%, in a 2 person race. Also - the poll watchers info shows that one third of the voters on Tues. were black, so 2 to 3 times as many blacks voted for the winner than voted for your candidate. Sore losers.

By borodawg

September 18, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

I waded thru most of the comments here and became more and more disgusted. MojoMist’s first comment was the most salient and meaningful. I urge everyone to read it again. There are about as many commentors here as voters who turned out this past Tuesday. Pretty disgusting. The BOE members must be professional and have integrity. Attempts at outside influence should be just that; attempts and not actual influence. It’s become increasingly obvious that the people of Clayton County cannot be relied upon to elect qualified, professional candidates. I prefer that the Governor appoint all board members. I prefer that the Governor run our system. I’m a libertarian and hate government intervention, but the CCPS system is beyond fixing by the people. We are in a crisis mode. It’s not only the BOE that needs radical fixing, but also the administration. It’s bloated to the extreme. There are almost as many administrators as there are teachers. The admin should be bare-bones and use that money to hire more teachers. One priority should be to have a much lower teacher-pupil ratio and a much smaller admin. I also believe the super should be local. There must be someone already with our system who is qualified and will do the job professionally, for much less than what we’re paying now. Again, please read the first comment by MojoMist.

By borodawg

September 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I must mention this; a logical conclusion to the outside influence argument would be to not have any teachers on the BOE. The vast majority belong to the GAE or the NAE. Nothing wrong with that. But to belong to or affiliate with any local organization should automatically disqualify that person from the BOE. Better to have professional business people and qualified homemakers on the board than an educator who doesn’t act professionally and with integrity. A BOE member should be above any outside influence. The six percent voter turnout last Tuesday and the 17 percent (18, 19, whatever) turnout last month are most telling.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

But to belong to or affiliate with any local organization should automatically disqualify that person from the BOE.

For example CCEA and those who took money and endorsemens from Sid Chapman? :)

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

But to belong to or affiliate with any local organization should automatically disqualify that person from the BOE.

For example CCEA and those who took money and endorsements from Sid Chapman? :)

By raja

September 18, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

I read this in the News Daily today. Ms Garrett your votes on the board will determine how long you stay on the board.

terms of dealing with the superintendent, board member Garrett said the mandate of hiring a permanent superintendent should be the first mandate addressed by the board, but she also said the community should give Thompson a chance.

“He’s really good at what he does,” Garrett said. “I just hate that he came into the situation when he did, and then had to take the blame. It’s just like we [Anderson, Garrett and King] did when they removed those four board members. We had to bite the bullet … They [community members] have to give him a chance. They need to give him a chance.”

Ms Garrett you sound stupid. NEWS FLASH he already had his chance. He needs to take his overprice no good for nothing behind back where he came from. If the previous board action was illegal so don’t that make his contract illegal. He knew is contract was a violation from the start per Elgart.

By Dixiedarling

September 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

The more John Trotter talks the more he p###es off the the voters. John forgets that the majority of uneducated citizens are just that so they aren’t even reading this, much less voting.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Why the teacher bashing borodawg? Yes, I know you support cutting bloated administration to hire more teachers, so you’re probably surprised I say this. Perhaps you’re not consciously aware of it; not surprising as teacher bashing seems to permeate the culture these days.

But when you said “a logical conclusion to the outside influence argument would be to not have any teachers on the BOE” wouldn’t it be every bit as much a logical conclusion to say administrators as well?

By the way, your very excellent points concerning cutting bloated central office beauracracies to hire more teachers has always been a central to the MACE philosophy. While CCEA might support a lower student to teacher ratio, I don’t think it’s ever supported it at the expense of making wholesale, massive cuts in central office staff.

And one more point to consider on the “danger” of outside influences. If that becomes the focus, what’s to prevent the status quo in the future from dismissing any and all criticism as the work of “outside influences”? Do you trust that all the change that needs to take place can come from within the status quo of a bloated beauracracy, and a board that has often been aligned with the traditional status quo organizations in a state that consistently ranks near the bottom in educational achievement?

Doesn’t mean outside influences are always good. But it certainly does not mean they are always bad. Sometimes it the inside influences that do the most harm (for example the land deal) That’s why they holler like a hit dog about the “outside influences” LOL

To John Stewart: You’re right. Unified parent involvement and a societal willingness to hold students responsible for their behavior and work would render MACE, GAE and all the rest moot.

Unfortunately I just don’t see it happening. And when someone did try to make it happen in CCPS (DADS) it wasn’t the “outside agitators” of MACE who shut it down. It was the status quo of CCPS that shut it down.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this

From the Clayton Newsless Daily:

“He’s really good at what he does,” Garrett said. “I just hate that he came into the situation when he did, and then had to take the blame.

And just exactly is Thompson good at? Swooping in like a vulture on the roadkill of the SACS “investigation” and convincing emotionally weak board members to let him hijack the county coffers with an inexplicably stupid contract?

I guess that is a skill; and sad to say in ClayCo, apparently a very marketable one.

By John Stewart

September 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

To Clayton Parents

You stated: You’re right. Unified parent involvement and a societal willingness to hold students responsible for their behavior and work would render MACE, GAE and all the rest moot.

Unfortunately I just don’t see it happening. And when someone did try to make it happen in CCPS (DADS) it wasn’t the “outside agitators” of MACE who shut it down. It was the status quo of CCPS that shut it down.

That’s the big difference between you and me. I think this quote from Winston Churchill will clarify our differences.

A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. - Winston Churchill

Regarding removing DADS from the schools although I may not agree with it I understand it. If they didn’t have proper background checks then they don’t need to be in the schools. You were the same one crying foul when Johnson hired an accused child molester. I don’t think there will be a problem with getting DADS back in school once they have done the proper background checks.

Clayton Parents here is a question for you. Since you are complaining online so much what actions have lined up with your rhetoric? I know I am out in the community and at the board meetings. What are you doing?

I’ll leave you with a quote from Nino Brown from the movie New Jack City

“Money talks and BS runs the marathon!!” in other words talk is cheap!!

By Jake

September 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

I am taking a different turn.
I am a Black man that is very active in voting.

I did my homework on both candidates for sheriff. I checked out Mr Rainwater and Mr. Kimbroug. Mr. Kimbrough was very interesting. I have a file and some tapes that is OPEN RECORD at the sheriff office. We I listened to those tapes and heard Mr. Kimbeough admit to having an affair when he was engaged and even after he was married, I though I would go thru the floor. After the white girl found out that he was married, she wanted nothing to do with the relationship but, he continued to pursue her. He also in 2004 has a sexual harrassment suit filed against him again this women was white and married. It get better, he filed his race as OTHER, which means he is not claiming to be BLACK unless it is convient. You can get a copy from the sheriff department all this is OPEN RECORDS. I thought this was a lie until I got this info. Believe me, IT IS ALL TRUE and he is so busy hollering this is a DEMOCRATIC county which is mostly BLACK and he is not claiming he is BLACK?

No thanks Kem. You can’t handle your personal life none the less a COUNTY.

You also lied and said Rainwater was out of the picture. I called Mr. Rainwater and found out that he was still in the running.

I guess Rainwater is the only choice now.

All this is established and documented information free to the tax payers.

By mlk

September 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

John Trotter and Norressee Haynes did this yall! Norresses Haynes DEFRAUDED the Clayton County tax payers when he received 1000 bucks a month for representing a district he did not live in. Thanks to Chairman Bell’s investigation, he was disgraced and kicked out of office. Then, Trotter tried to disrupt a board meeting with lies claiming that Haynes was illegally removed. The Judge, however, disagreed. The ruling was not surprising though since Trotter clearly has no analytical skills and his only value is to lie, yell loudly, and type the same thing over and over as “Attn: Clayton Parents”

By Attn: Clayton Parents' MAMA

September 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

PLeeze son, get yo self a life. A hobby of sum kind. You spendin way too much time running yo mouf about things you makin up. I’d suggest find a hobby other than spreading manure as you been doin. If you got time to write so much crap, then you need something constructive to do. Why don’t you go hang out in front of that Chucky Cheese place and make sum friends.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

John Stewart,

Well all I can say is John Thompson is no Winston Churchill, ‘cause I haven’t exactly seen him banging at the door of opportunity to bring DADS back.

And I’m sure others have done more, but I do try to contribute in my own small way, be it sponsor an extracurricular club, help an illiterate parent with school forms (and I don’t mean illiterate to be derogatory, I mean literally illiterate) taking families to the public library to register for their first ever library card to hopefully promote literacy in the home; things like that.

And of course educate and advocate for better teaching conditions LOL. After all, you can’t have good learning conditions until you have good teaching conditions. Someone said that. Was it Churchill as well?

I’ve already admitted you hold the trump card when it comes to this. Parental involvement and a collective consciousness that thinks parents need to be the primary factors in holding their children responsible for their child’s actions and education, not the nanny state of CCPS.

But unfortunately John Stewart, no one can demonstrate that enough parents feel this way, nor can they demonstrate that CCPS has the backbone to compel parents to act this way.

Leads to your second valid point. Advocacy, in the way of blogging can indeed reach a point of diminishing returns, especially if people are committed to remaining willfully ignorant of all the dynamics in CCPS, because they feel more comfort in blaming MACE for everything that’s wrong in CCPS. (I had been making the effort to blog less, until Kimberly decided to hold a “blame MACE” pep rally, as if CCEA, the land deal, and the administrative rot don’t exist)

I’m not backing down and saying my points are less valid (it’s instructive to note that most posters don’t try to offer an effective rebuttal of the points made, but rather try to discredit them by saying they are made over and over again)

But what I’m saying is that far too many in the community seem content to remain ignorant as far as what it takes for quality teaching and learning to occur. It’s not their problem, it’s the teacher’s problem; they’re getting paid right? (Their words don’t say that, but for far too many, their action do)

Not calling the community stupid mind you (as in can’t learn) but ignorant as in “without knowledge” and worse willfully ignorant as in don’t care to know, as long as my child passes the CRCT, or get’s “promoted” even if they fail. I’ve seen parents raise he!! at a school if they were “wronged” (As in coming to school to complain about “My child got the wrong size T-shirt) but do nothing when the learning community in the classroom is “wronged” (as in you can’t be bothered to show up to repeated requests for a conference when your child is failing and has been suspended twice in a single month, but you can suddenly show up when your angel gets the wrong T-shirt)

Yep this post is a stemwinder worthy of Joe Biden but I’m trying to put a bow on it, so that for the sake of balance, as they call it, I can cut back on the blogging. Not saying I’m going to pull a Jim Brown and walk away for ever at the height of my career LOL, I’m just sayin’ (And MACE bashers, please contact you’re local fire dept. before setting off any fireworks. Thank you)

Couple of final points: A quick aside so “AtItAgain” is not left out. Did you not see me attack Rod Johnson? Did you ever see me defend Nedra Ware? Those who voted for the Thompson contract? But I am dumbfounded AtItAgain that you think Ericka Davis’ sin was not being able to rise above the ineptitude, instead of recognizing Deus ex Micromanager was a, if not the, central player in the ineptitude a large portion of the time.

And to Oh please You were quick to dismiss Sid Chapman’s sweetheart deal as merely a common “leave of absence”. Until I pointed out it’s a (at the very least) four year leave of absence, earing all the same Teacher Retirement benefits as those in the trenches. Again, I ask, are you still so quick to dismiss it now, and would you have been so quick to dismiss it if it were a MACE member, not a CCEA member?

Again, people wanting to remain willfully ignorant of the dynamics surrounding CCPS, because it’s easier to set up MACE as the straw man, than it is to get a full understanding of the issues. Let’s just all “pull together” until CCPS bows down to the god of Elgart and gets its acreditation back and all will be hunky dory right? Not

SACS isn’t even remotely concerned with quality education in CCPS. Every other school at the bottom of the test score cesspool with Clayton County is accedited. Getting that back does NOT even begin to guarantee quality in CCPS.

Face it, you can’t get quality learning conditions, until you get quality teaching conditions. Until you get support for discipline. Until you are willing to make huge cuts in a bloated central office staff that drowns teachers in paperwork, only to justify THEIR existence.

Only one organization, John Stewart and the rest of the MACE bashers, has been willing to address discipline, willing to address bloated bureaucracy, willing to address non essential tasks that serve only to justify a bureaucrat’s existence, and willing to address the culture of retaliation when teachers try to advocate for themselves. Only one has been unequivocal in this, and that’s MACE.

So rather than dismiss this post as “blah, blah, blah” do something constructive. Show us another organization that has unequvically advocated for better teaching conditions, real cuts in central office staff, and a political will to hold students responsible for their actions?

Obviously, the community left to its own devices, has not stepped up to the plate. The educational status quo organizations have not stepped up to the plate. That’s why MACE has a legitimate reason to exists. They filled a void in the black hole that was teaching and learning conditions in CCPS.

If you don’t like the style of this horse in the race, or the tactics of the jockey, then by all means suggest another horse. None of you, save John Stewart, seem up to the challenge. But the parents, as a whole haven’t done it. Maybe John Stewart could start PAIR (Parents Addressing Irrepsonsible Ruffians) because as long as the MACE message is dismissed, parents as a whole are going to have to grow the proverbial pair (or to go gender neutral, get a backbone) to get the system to finally deal with the chronic disrupter, and their apologists in central office who are really dragging the school system down.

You want folk to back another horse in the race? Then enter another horse in the race.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Long Time Clayton Resident,

Worried about too much blogging. I’m worried too. Worried about a grownup On the Internet trying to steer a conversation toward meetings at Chucky Cheese. That’s kinda scary.

You sure you’re not a friend of Rod Johnson? LOL

I will take your advice to mind though. Tell me a better organization that will unequivically advocate for better teaching and learning conditions, much smaller administrative bloat, and a willingness to hold students responsibile for their actions, and I’ll glady consider them.

Am a bit hungry however; not for Chucky Cheese though.

By LONG TIME CLAYTON RESIDENT

September 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Attn: Clayton Parents:

Leave it to you think in the gutter. I was referring to the drug deal gone bad shooting in the Chucky Cheese parking lot the other day. You sick twisted freak. But if you buy me lunch one day……. LMAO The association of dumb a* obsessive compulsive freakoziods could do a better job than MACE.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

September 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Long time ClayCo Resident;

Sick, twisted freak? My aren’t we a wee bit touchy. But I think you’re getting me confused with a friend of Rod Johnson. You remember him don’t you? Former board member. GAE member.

About the ADOCF (the Association of Dumb@ss Obsessive Complusive Freakozoids) If they’re as good as you say, encourage them to incorporate. Let them compete in the free market like MACE does. Well, it’s not totally a “free market” in CCPS. MACE doesn’t have the competitive advantage of CCEA in that they don’t have CCPS administrators pressuring teachers to join.

Still in spite of the fact that CCPS pressures teachers to join CCEA and actively discourages them from joining MACE, MACE succeeds in the marketplace.

If ADOCF has something to offer, let them enter the fray. If they are as good as you say, I’m sure teachers will flock to them. I can feel good about blogging less now that I know ADOCF is there to pick up the mantle for teachers.

By Sick of you all

September 18, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

STILL POINTING FINGERS I SEE.WE ARE TIRED OF IT.TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. UNTIL YOU DO BACK OFF

By Now, now kids ...

September 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Play nice or an adult will have to take away all of your toys and send you to your rooms with no supper LMAO!!!!

By Point Finger At White Folk

September 18, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

White Folks in Clayton County took your children accreditation because they say you don’t know how to vote or vote along color lines. That was their main theme in their quest to change the color of all elected offices in the county.

Look at that white person website give- the-em-boot. It states VOTE COLOR BLIND! These whites are so redneck and prejudice that they can’t see themselves voting for a black person no matter the qualifications, unless they have no choice. Then they’ll endorse a Negro will run with the white folk agenda and mean you blacks no good; you know the kind, like Eddie White and Rod Johnson.

Another one to watch is Annie Bright, she steals Elections. These same white folks have seen, lived and struggled through these last 8 years of W. Bush and the Republicans; and WOULD rather continue this STRUGGLE and put McCain in the White Folk House than vote for a Black Man to turn this country around. The whites loves the Conservative Life Style—conserve their old way of living—with you living under their feet. Keep you Black Folks Impoverished, Disenfranchised, Uneducated, and Disillusioned.

WHITE FOLK; YOU WANT BLACK VOTER TURN OUT—WATCH NOVEMBER 4.—however, that sellout Annie Bright will steal that Election. We are made wise not by the recollection of our past, but by the responsibility for our future.

By ANTISPAM

September 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

Struggle is the father of all things. It is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle.

If you do not fight, life will never be won. “The broad masses of a population are more willing to the appeal of words than to any other force.

“Tell that white boy, Elgart you want your children accreditation back, immediately, if not sooner! To sin by silence when you should protest makes cowards of men.

By STAND FOR SOMETHING

September 18, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that really matter. That is what those spineless idiots, Bell, Thompson, and the Majors should have told SACS, Elgart and Rich White in the Secret Meeting after losing accreditation.

Real Men would have Appealed the SACS decision. Why? Real men know this; “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.”

By POLITICS RAW

September 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Bell and Thompson says, yes let the White Man have his way with our children.

It won’t hurt that long, once that white boy Elgart beat us he’ll give us our accreditation maybe in three months, you know why the world is watching.

By Stop Dodging Truth

September 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange.

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. Truth is sacred; and if you tell the truth too often nobody will believe it.

By Wild Kudzu

September 18, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange. Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened.

Truth is sacred; and if you tell the truth too often nobody will believe it.

NOTE: I’m sick of Blogger— Sick of you all, saying take it and move on—Not going to happen!!

By FEDS WATCHING

September 18, 2008 6:51 PM | Link to this

In the United States the Majority undertakes to supply the multitude ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own. That’s what the county’s whites done with the MEDIA Blitz to make blacks look bad.

This whole SACS issue has been about White Folks and Money. Elgart think the rest of the school districts in the southeast will start respecting him—they won’t white folks don’t have to respect him. They won’t- go try to tell Alpharetta schools to do something, Elgart- use the negro county as the whipping boy; those rich white folk with money will have your job—bank on!!

By BLOG CRITIC

September 18, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge. The greater our knowledge increases the more our ignorance unfolds. There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.

Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. Information is not knowledge. One-third of the American White Folks are the only people in the world that gives a Damn about noun/verb agreement!

On top of that it, the WHITES in the SOUTH are the WORSE when it comes to the British spoken English. Far too many times I see and hear Whites on TV speaking your so-called English poorly, making Millions.

Rappers both black and white have deliberately dissected the White Man’s English and are making Millions off your white-Ebonics speaking kids.

By Ellenhood on Deck!

September 19, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

Point Finger At White Folk makes my day. Keep posting your jokes and ignorance. They’re funny and keeps reinforcing that some people just aren’t capable of contributing much to society. Self exposure of foolishness is the ultimate irony.

Speaking of ignorant… “White folk; you want black voter turn out - watch November 4” haha. That’s a laugh and a half itself! You’re also the one who predicted a huge turnout in the primary and runoff. We saw how well that went for ya. But let’s see, even if it does happen - bismal turnout for local elections, large turnout for Washington DC because somehow you believe he, not yourself is your golden ticket. Never a surprise you continue to be where you are and will always be - someone or something else is always responsible for your problems. It’s the only race who has been left behind and continues to fall further and further back and you continue to scratch your heads and wonder why? Stop looking around asking others to save you and start looking at your hands. It’ll do wonders.

By borodawg

September 19, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

ATTN, I’m not teacher-bashing at all. Didn’t I also say we need more teachers? But, you’re right; I should have included administrators. And yes, I mean affiliation with CCEA and MACE, local organizations. More to the point, I compare the situation to corporate boards of directors; 99% are usually from outside the subject corporation; and from vastly different types of businesses. And, normally, I wouldn’t want to exclude anyone from the BOE, except in the case of the morass and utter chaos of our BOE and the CCPS. A case in point is Mary Baker. I’m sure she is a fine person and a good educator. Hopefully, she won’t be swayed by outside influences. I don’t know if she belongs to CCEA nor MACE. As long as she acts professionally and with integrity, more power to her. But, ideally, the BOE should be made up of the citizenry, with very limited numbers from within the school system itself.

The BOE should not be running the school system. That’s what brought on the loss of accreditation. The BOE is tasked with finding the right admin personnel and superintendent; and letting them run the system. The BOE should act as overseers, not bosses.

By Black Rain

September 19, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

BORODOG - After six months of being in and meeting with community folk - it is quite well known - Ms. Baker is not a member of CCEA nor MACE. She is a pre-school teacher that has no ties to the Clayton County school system except that her children attend school in Clayton and she is an active parent. An example, that if followed by more parents, would have probably kept us out of this mess we are in now.

By At It Again

September 19, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

I guess I should feel privileged you you threw a crumb my way - but you really did not answer my questions.

Did ya ever think that most teachers do not want to pay MACE dues which are 4 times that of the GAE. Knowing full well it is going in Trotters pocket, with a few pennies going to Noreese.

It is sad, but you cannot make parents act responsibly - One of your greatest points has to do with discipline - and if there is some way to either involve or punish parents for their kids behavior - let’s do it. They can either shape up along with their children or ship out and leave this county and take their kids with them.

Isn’t it revealing tho that MACE/Trotter started on the discipline kick - only after the fall of those involved in the BOE takeover by his handpicked puppets, which led to PROBATION for our school system. These women, who did nothing without his orders on what to do and how to do. Problem was it was highly unethical - but John Trotter never let a little thing like ethics or honor or intent of the law slow him down. Only after the parents and citizens of Clayton got up in arms and kicked his girls off the BOE - did JT/ MACE decide to hook their wagon to the discipline train. A train involving parent groups that was gathering steam until the MACE-led spiral which started with the Nedra/JT led PROBATION and ended with the Noreese/JT and Sandra Scott and Rod Johnson and Lois Baines-Hunter battles that led to NON-ACCREDITATION. Discipline was not John Trotters idea - but no one can call him stupid - for hijacking an issue.

The only void that MACE/ Trotter filled was the need for gullible victim-mentality teachers to have a Great White Hope Father-figure in their lives. And for the past eight years - all of our children - black and white - have suffered the consequences of a MAD Hatter of a man (JT) with a chip on his shoulder and a vendetta in his heart.

By Sick of you all

September 19, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Wild kudzu, I’m sorry I didn’t mean for my message to say. suck it up and move on. what I meant for my message to say is. Quit pointing fingers at somebody else, Quit flapping your gums, Get off your sorry behind and do something positive that will help the situation. Talk is cheap. and blaming somebody else for no positive action on your part is cheaper. And I think most people on this blog are tired of the Same old Victim mentality blaming the whites (kill whitey) garbage being spewed here. So to ask my own question. What HAVE you done in a positive way to fix the problem. And no spouting Hate and victim hood is not positive.

By Concerned Stakeholder

September 19, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Hey Kimberly, I read you column often, and I must say you really drive some very good points to the public. Thanks! You know, after sitting down and thinking about this whole, lake of Chaos, I realize that we as voters have failed the system, our children and ourselves. We as voters, voted these previous board in. We knew they were apart of interest groups and we as voters, parents, and stakeholders did nothing. Now, that SACS has come, and through in the penalty flag, we want to blame everyone, but ourselves. Here’s some food for thought, why did it take SACS to come in and rip our accreditation, before parents and others organized? Why weren’t the organized before? When Mr. Haynes was removed, the PAC was filled to capacity. Parents shouting at the top of there lungs, but before SACS came in, the board room was virtually empty. We have to realize that now that damage is done, we can no longer look for who did, but rather how we can fix it. Ultimately, SACS is not looking for the cause, that has been identified, they are looking for results and that is meeting and exceeding these mandates.

By BLOG CRITIC

September 19, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

To: Concerned Stakeholder You sound as dumb as you look! If you think because a woman eat ribs and cheesecake in a Atlanta Hotel valued at $75.00, a woman supposedly fired a dumb black coach, and a so-called illegal Board Meeting with SACS, Elgart and two State Reps sitting in the meeting, Lunches with Trotter, Dinners with Chapman caused 53,000 Black children to lose their accreditation; you are perhaps the STUPIDEST in this county.

All the alleged charges I just mentioned are far too menial. The only way that 53,000 children can be LEFT BEHIND in this era of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT of 2001, is MONEY, Millions. Now, that the reason your little children don’t have accreditation. Accreditation is too easy to achieve.

Why do you think every school district in America has it. Come on now, Concerned Stakeholder, you’re a smart person and you’ll lived long enough to know for a White Boy like Mark Elgart to throw 53,000 kids under the bus, there have to MILLIONS of Dollars involved. Think about it again, Concerned Stakeholder for your Governor to get involved there must to have been MILLIONS of dollars at stake.

Let me clear it up for you, Clayton County School System has a 60 Million Dollar Surplus and no accreditation. Even your Broke school districts have accreditation. Now stay with me, what Black Businesses in Clayton County do you know of that making Hundreds of Thousands Dollars Annually. “NONE” right! Now using simple logic and deduction, who does that leave. Yap, you got it THE WHITE MAN.

Boy I’ll tell you; it must have been a whole lot of white folks not being paid, moreover a whole lot of good ole white folks. Now the white folks got you, Negroes out here senseless with accreditation talk and colleges when white kids out here getting HOME SCHOOLED are getting in Colleges Everyday. Boy, I tell you Negroes with small minds.

Let me tell you one more time! This Whole SACS ORDEAL is and has always been about WHITE FOLKS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Now that’s SIMPLE LOGIC.

CASE IN POINT: Clayton’s SACS finding—establish a board capable of performing its roles and responsibilities. Rule Number 1, make sure the money goes to the right people—Answer: Make sure the right white people get the Millions from the money given to the school system from Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. Prime Example— Fulton County School Board just last week paid twice the Millions they should have for land to build a school—a little article in the AJC— the right white folks got paid—case closed. Keep accreditation.

If Elgart tried to do anything; those white folks in Sandy Springs will clean his CLOCK! Oh yah, Concerned Stakeholder, I almost forgot; I know you’re white don’t give a damn about black kids. People see through your MEDIA BLITZ to color Black folks bad. Concerned Stakeholder let me tell you another little known secret; SLAVERY was all about WHITE FOLKS AND MONEY!!

By EXTREME CLASS

September 19, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

The most depraved type of being is that without purpose. You have a purpose get your child accreditation back from that nasty low down prejudice bigot Mark Elgart at SACS.

Protest; start a revolution, a revolution is a struggle to the death between the future and the past. Mark Elgart is treating you like Share cropping Negroes. “Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal bigotry and racial discrimination will not destroy us.

The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. Character is that which reveals moral purpose, exposing the class of things a man chooses and avoids.

By Urgent Matters Requires Urgent Action

September 19, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions. I know your thinking; what rich whites and these so-called pastors told you; leave Mark Elgart alone, don’t offend Mr. White Boy, he’ll give us our accreditation soon.

However, you don’t have time to wait; racial discrimination is an URGENT MATTER. Now Clayton’s children can’t go to Florida schools. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.

ACT NOW!!! “What it lies in our power to do, it lies in our power not to do.”

By SUBLIMAL TERROR

September 19, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody’s power and is not easy.

You have a purpose get your child accreditation back from that nasty low down prejudice bigot Mark Elgart at SACS. “PROTEST” Moral excellence comes about as a result of habit. We become just by doing just acts, temperate by doing temperate acts, brave by doing brave acts.

By NCLB BUSTER

September 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Link to this

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. You don’t have to accept SACS DECISION, it makes you angry.

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. You’ve already been burned; time to ACT. Ask for Accreditation IMMEDIATELY!!!

NOTE: Violation of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB)

By Whatever

September 19, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

You keep harping on the $60 million surplus. There is not really a $60 million surplus. It is all on paper. You do not know how government accounting works.They may have $69 million earmarked for something . But I can guarantee that if there was that much of a surplus their Sate and Federal funding would decrease by that much. In Government accounting you spend every penny. Use it or lose it. I know you won’t believe me but that’s OK. I will be proven right when they do the FULL forensic audit of the finances.

By Concerned Stakeholder

September 19, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Hey! Look at this….we have so many people wasting time trying to blame Elgart and others….guess what THIS IS NOT BEING PRODUCTIVE Guess what BLOG CRITIC although you make very valid points, you are aiming for nothing. Perhaps, Elgart is a “enemy”, but guess what, we have to deal with the rules. By the way, someone as intelligent as you present yourself, I’d would expect solutions to the issues…NOT ANGRY NOTIONS and Temper Tantrums

By CC Postshaker

September 19, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

Blog Critic, You don’t have a clue other than know simple minded diversion tactics to avoid what really needs to happen. Wah, wah, wah. That’s all we hear from you and your “friends”. But that’s what happens when someone who doesn’t know, believes they know. They get pawned. You want accrediation or not? If so, there are requirements. There are necessities. If not, leave the county and go somewhere else. Personally, I’m for the latter as I don’t have patience for those with mentalities like yours. You’re childish and act like some bully who just got dropped.

This whole mess has put you in your place and you don’t like looking like a failure. Too late. Time for the big boys to take over. That toy you’ve been given has just been taken back and you’re still in that sandbox sucking your thumb. I have yet to see any substance or construct from you so unless you have any, keep quiet. Only thing we see is wah, wah, wah…. I’m so helpless and picked on. Step up and be somebody for a change.

By The kettle

September 22, 2008 7:20 AM | Link to this

Blog critic, et al - just a hater because he isn’t getting any of the money. How’s that workin’ out for ya, Glenn?

By Henry County

September 22, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

I only wish we could build a wall between Clayton and henry to keep the people of Clayton out of Henry. Claytin County schools ,crime and all the rest.

By raja

September 22, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Henry County

You can put a wall up between Clayton and Henry, I just hope you never need to fly anywhere.

By LOL at Henry County!

September 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

If you really believe that a wall will stop the criminal element “and all the rest” from coming to Henry County (in case you don’t know - THEY’RE ALREADY THERE!) then you’ve got a rude awakening coming your way sooner rather than later.

LOL!

By Henry County

September 22, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Your right,the thugs of Clayton county I would find a way to breach a wall, you are right they are already here. I have been told by Henry county law enforcement that a high percentage of Henry counties crime is committed by Clayton county transplants and thugs from Clayton County. Guess Clayton county has become a sewer and a breeding ground for social cancer. And it is spreding into Henry and Fayette County.

By LOL at Henry County!

September 22, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Exactly! Get used to it!

LOL!!!!!!

By clayton refugee in henry

September 22, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Social cancer is the perfect word. Look at Stockbridge and Fairview. You can blame the former mayors of Atlanta for emptying their sewerage in Clayton which kept breeding and spilled over into the surrounding counties. All we can do is stay locked and loaded and ready.

By Locked and loaded

September 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

So, open season on criminals and thugs? Yee haw! We’re gonna clean up this here county.

By the way, when is the next meeting at the county commission’s headquarters? I just want to make sure that I have my pitchfork and torch ready. I also have a spare set for the next BOE meeting.

By rattle

September 22, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

To Henry County, up are telling a bold face lie. I grew up in Mcdonough and still have family in the county , I also attend church in Mcdonough. HC new residents are from all over most did not come from CC. You would like to believe you are living in a perfect place but you’re not. HC has always had issues since I can remember they just didn’t make the news because we were considered rural area, not part of metro Atlanta

By raja

September 22, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

To Henry County, you are telling a bold face lie. I grew up in Mcdonough and still have family in the county , I also attend church in Mcdonough. HC new residents are from all over most did not come from CC. You would like to believe you are living in a perfect place but you’re not. HC has always had issues since I can remember they just didn’t make the news because we were considered rural area, not part of metro Atlanta

By Now and Again

September 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Blog critic - aka Dr. Dowell - you are one to talk about millioms of dollars being wasted. Your supposed no-profit mentoring business has taken more than $2.5 million taxpayers dollars in the past 5 years. Oh, I guess that is different in your mind. Ain’t nothin like the pot callin the kettle black.