Clayton.Talk

By gheba'smom

July 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

NO< NO A THOUSAND TIME NO. If “our good sheriff” can’t even keep up with serving the warrants he has now. having all the law enforcement agencies consolidated will just make the situation worse. Jut take care of the jail, serve the warrants and quit trying to build a dynasty for yourself. Oh and QUIT working against the other law enforcement offices. You are just hurting the county more.

By Fred Schwartz

July 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I predict Lil VIc will get at least 25000 vote….Against him. lol His days are numbered. It’s so long, adios ,see ya, hope you can get a job guarding a warehouse or something.

By Fred Schwartz

July 14, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

I predict Lil VIc will get at least 25000 votes….Against him. lol His days are numbered. It’s so long, adios ,see ya, hope you can get a job guarding a warehouse or something. Or maybe a door man at the Pink Pony

By Kick Hill to the Curb

July 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Do you think Napoleon (Lil Vic) will cry when he loses?

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

I had a conversation with a Hill supporter this past Saturday. I could not believe there was really anyone (other than those with ties to the Scott gang) who would actually vote for him - but they did. They believe he has, “done alot fer us” but couldn’t give any specifics, and were not at all concerned about the millions he’s cost the taxpayers with all the lawsuits and settlements.

These folks were not members of his church or neighbors of his. They are old, Southern whites, retired, who’ve lived in a rural area of the county all their lives.

I am just flabbergasted and sick at my stomach to think there are others out there like them. If that demented dwarf is re-elected, there will be no stopping him.

By Lady

July 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

I agree with everything that the above candidates has said. I know that only ONE of the candidates will come out tomorrow. Rainwater has ran Republican and is running unopposed. This means that if Victor gets out, He will be our only hope of stopping him.

Folks let’s make sure that we vote tomorrow to help our county. Victor has a lot of supporters believe it or not. If he comes out, we must throw our support behind Rainwater to stop him. Rainwater is not Republican as best I understand but, he knows the job, and I beleive he can get it done in a well and professional manner. We need to put our ego aside and think about our county instead of race or what party a candidate is runnig for. I know that all of the candidates are running to make a great change in this county. So please let us do the right thing and do it right this time. Good luck guys.

By Melanie2008

July 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Claytonians,

We have 3 chances of re-taking the Sheriff’s Office and bringing dignity and accountability back. All that matters is that we all show up and vote for anybody but the incumbant. Let’s show him the door by showing up at the polls. Please make your choice and vote tomorrow!

Chance #1 Vote July 15th. Chance #2 Possible run-off election on August 5th Chance #3 LAST Chance! November 4th, vote Jack Rainwater

Three strikes and we’re out if we don’t get it right this time!!!

By Tiffanie

July 14, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

Every one is upset with Victor Hill. Why? Because he has brought change to Clayton County. Every one is scared of Lil VIC. I’m not old or white, but believe me I will be voting for himm July 15. People are upset because this little black man has come in and taken over. Most of the turmoil in Clayton County was created before him. It has become public since he was elected. I think jailers should face the wall when he walks down the hall, for that matter when anyone walks down the hall. They don’t deserve the utmost respect, after all, they didn’t respect the law enough to not to break it.

By Fred Schwartz

July 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

To JR and Tiffanie: Go ahead and dream. IF and I say IF the little munchkin gets re-elected, then you deserve what you get. More gangs, more crime, more expensive lawsuits, and a little ego-maniac whose only agneda is himself. You really aren’t very intelligent if you think he has your best interest at heart. It’s people like you two that are partly responsible for the reason the county has turned into a third world flea bag ghetto. And thas alls I gonna say bout dat.

By Let's look at this

July 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Tiffanie/Johnathan Newton/Hill’s Puppet

How’s that paper working out for ya? All the race baiting and bigotry in the world was not going to make it successful, but it did land you a job in the shriff’s office. Go figure; Birds of Feather, Flock Together. You are a luaghing stock if you think that you are going to win as State Rep., and if chance you do,(lord help us all) it will be because of all the ignorant voters who don’t have a clue to whom they are voting on.

Hill will use you till the end. He has to much on you to just let you go.

By WTF?

July 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Someone mentioned Jack Rainwater not being republican earlier.

Jack Rainwater is running on the republican ticket I believe because he did not have the financial backing to run on the democratic ticket or he couldn’t get enough signatures? Perhaps someone else can confirm that, but there was a reason he went republican.

At this point I say anybody but Victor Hill, just don’t want to see Jack Rainwater dismissed or ignored by voters because he’s on the republican ticket.

By Mary B.

July 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

I’am sure most of you know me, I have lived in this county for 25years or more. I use to say that John Trotter destroyed our school system. I now realize that this is far from the truth; it was John who tried to help our Clayton County Schools for years. I didnt always agree with him.Now I know that the problems is with the ones left on the board. I feel sorry for John he worked so hard to get these people elected then they act as if they never knew his name.I now realize that this is normal among people of color. How could you turn your back on your friend when they have mess up their good name to help you I think they are sorrry for shame for shame; Now this School Board has hired a man to run the school system who have a past like an x and they gave him all power how stupid is that. We better be nice to John beacuse we might need him again. I know for a fact that he is not envolved with this year election just look at all the ugly signs, and for the bloggers that think I am John Trotter dont fool yourself, he dont write this bad.

By WTF, WTF

July 14, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this

WTF,

Jack Rainwater was trying to run as an Independent. In order to run in Clayton County on anything other than the corrupted Scott/Trotter/Hill/Thomas Democratic Parties in Clayton County you need to either be an Independent or a Republican. In order to be on the Independent Ballot you need a certain amount of signatures due to the fact that there is no independent party. The Democratic Party has controlled this county and made sure that the only way to run is as a democrat. The qualifying fees are the same whether you are democratic or republican. There is not a different fee for each party.

By COPY KAT

July 14, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

John Trotter likes to imitate people on this blog. I think he really wanted to be an actor as a kid. He is very good at taking on the personna of others, and he uses it as a guise to sway the public. Don’t be fooled. His hands are just as dirty as the current school board members, and he does indeed have plants in this election. Vote NO to Dowell, Gorree, Mack, King, and Glover!

By Concern Teacher

July 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

I agree Mary B. MACE has help lots of people keep their jobs when they as— es should have been fired. I work in Dekalb County I know what Mace can do.Although I am not of member, I have a friend, that is a member, and they had fired her from her job she called Mace girl friend they showed up and showed out and dont let that Norrsece get a hold of you then honey you can for get it that boy aint no joke. I might join this year I here were getting a new pricipal, and I heard she is crazy so I must join Mace honey.

By WTF?

July 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

WTF, WTF - thanks for setting me straight, I couldn’t remember the exact reason but knew there was one & as I said before just don’t wanna see Rainwater dismissed because of his political affiliation.

Can we PLEASE not make this blog about John Trotter? Every week there are several on this blog who turn every single topic into a school board/MACE/John Trotter b*** session.

**Tomorrow is a do or die, make or break for Clayton County.

We need to be discussing not only the sheriff’s race & the consolidation vote, but other candidates up for election.**

By MD

July 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Tuesday will be a great day for victory in favor of Victor Hill. Keep up the good work!!

By Vote NO TO CONSOLIDATION on July 15!

July 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

VOTE NO TO CONSOLIDATION ON JULY 15!!!!

By andre

July 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

Victor Hill has done nothing good in Clayton County, he has lost a 7 million dollar lawsuit against him and has 3 more pending. WAKE UP PEOPLE, who do you think pays those lawsuits? it isnt him!

the one thing in his favor is the fact that he has so many people running against him spreading the votes out.

If he gets re elected you will have one less working black taxpayer in your county!

By the real G

July 14, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Sure there are a lot of hill supporters out there, there are still a lot of theifs, murderers and child molesters out there too, I guess you can probably lump them all together.

I’m sure that most of you that support him dont even work or pay taxes but for those of you that do and have a working brain…vote for anyone else please..

By HLS

July 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

SANDRA SCOTT - you have used others names before - now you use Mary B - obviously a trick you picked up from you little leprechan friend, John Trotter. Remember folks - Sandra is just trying to hold on - and when Daddy Trotter says Jump - Sandra asks - How high sir?

By stanthefireman

July 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Vote or shut up !!!!!!!

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Thank you Tiffanie for proving that ignorance doesn’t discriminate.

“Most of the turmoil in Clayton County was created before him. It has become public since he was elected.”

Where do you live Tiffanie? Under a rock? Are you deaf, dumb AND blind?

You don’t know about the millions he’s cost us taxpayers BEGINNING WITH HIS FIRST DAY IN OFFICE? You aren’t aware of the backlog of 17,000 criminal warrants that HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SERVING? What about refusing to allow POLICE OFFICERS to interrogate prisoners in the jail? I suppose that’s okay with you????

What did he do for you Tiffanie? Did he give you one of those used cell phones? Did he have an inmate scrub graffiti off your wall? Or was it his Happy Mother’s Day automated telephone call you received that made you fall in love with the demented dwarf?

God help Clayton County with residents like you!!!!

By Kick Hill to the Curb

July 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

I don’t care what his supporters think or say. None of them have ever been on this blog before. And even if he does win tomorrow, he won’t beat Jack Rainwater!

By taylor

July 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

If he would have just done his duties as a sheriff I might would have voted for him but his Ego got in the way and none of his duties got done… look at his record people. Plus his inability to get along with others totally shot himself in the foot. remember the passage in your bible “A house divided will soon fall”

personally i dont care if he is short, tall, fat, skinny, black, white or yellow. the fact is he is costing the taxpayers a lot of money and not serving warrants like he is suppose to be doing.

If all of you really want a better clayton county think for yourselves for once and vote him out

By Concerned Citizen

July 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Ok folks- you will have an opportunity to vote for Rainwater in November if it comes to that. PLEASE remember that to effectuate change this election you must pick up a DEMOCRATIC ballot. That is the only way to vote out the District Attorney, Solicitor General, and Sheriff.

By You know what?

July 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

Maybe the BOC needs to raise our taxes so Victor Hill supporters can actually FEEL the pain of Victor Hill’s mistakes (i.e. LAWSUITS) and understand why his renegade brand of leadership is so harmful to this county.

Victor Hill needs to go not now but RIGHT NOW. If he gets reelected get ready to live in hell for another four years and if people vote “yes” for consolidation (perish that thought!), I’ll be the next one renting my house out section 8.

By 4change

July 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Tiffanie and others,

What positive change has Victor Hill brought to this county? Jailers facing the wall? That’s all you got?

SIX Candidates for Sheriff should tell you a lot. Take a very close look at the other candidates. What do you see? Why in this world would SIX candidates with extensive law enforcement experience run (many on the same Democratic ticket) for Clayton County Sheriff if something wasn’t so terribly wrong. What don’t you see?! It’s the same reason there are so many running for school board. There are deep problems within, it’s ineffective, and being mismanaged.

By Lady

July 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

The reason Jack Rainwater went Republican is because he needed 6700 signatures in 3 mos and was short. The only way he was able to get on the ballot without splitting the vote anymore was to go Republican. It had nothing to do with finances. This is what I was told by his manager. We need to really think about things tomorrow. We need Victor out of office. !!!

By borodawg

July 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

Consolidation is probably a good idea, as far as saving money, efficiency, etc. But, NOT under Victor Hill. He has the audacity to bring up the subject of duplication of services, when he’s the one that started all the duplication in the first place. Remember folks. the CCPD has not been around all that long really. Many counties only have a sheriff’s department; it would save a lot of money. A main problem with a single law enforcement entity is having an elected official like Victor Hill in charge of it. It probably should be a merit position, appointed by the county commission.

By Fred Schwartz

July 15, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

Well, It’s 7:54am and Fox News has already determined a LOSER in the Sheriff’s race in Clayton County. LiL VICTOR HILL. In other races, Fox News has predicted anyone named Scott or associated with them are also LOSERS. Oh Yeah, you too No Reese!. But we already knew all this. It’s a glorious day for the Phoneix to rise in Clayton. Let’s not screw up this opportunity.

By Bob

July 15, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

The problem is that having six candidates is going to dilute the opposition vote rather dramatically. None of the other candidates has stood out as the strong leader of the bunch and seemed to garner a large mass of support from the community. Lately I’m seeing a lot of yard signs for Hill. Signs for the others like Kem and Garland are popping up more often, but just not enough.

I hope beyond hope that Hill gets booted, but I honestly don’t expect it will happen.

By WTF?

July 15, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

You’ve probably seen more signs for Victor Hill because the Sheriff’s Office is removing the signs of other candidates (especially other sheriff’s candidates) from the streets. If you notice, only Hill, Leslie Miller Terry & the Scotts signs are all over the place because they are all in cahoots together.

Published: Thursday, July 10, 2008 Sheriff accused of stealing signs

By Daniel Silliman

dsilliman@news-daily.com

A candidate for sheriff has filed a police report accusing the sheriff’s office of theft.

Ernest Strozier, who is one of five men challenging Sheriff Victor Hill in the upcoming election, contacted the Jonesboro Police department on Tuesday, reporting that a deputy and several work-release inmates stole a $250 sign.

“The sheriff is crazy,” Strozier said. “He thinks he’s above the law. He makes up the law as he goes. Hopefully, charges will be brought.”

Strozier said he had a four-foot by eight-foot sign at the BP gas station on the corner of Tara Boulevard and North Street, with the permission of the gas station owner. Strozier drove by on Tuesday, a week before the primary election, and saw the sign was gone. He stopped to ask the owner why, and was told a dark-colored pickup, with a deputy and a couple of inmates, removed the sign.

“A guy who was sitting there said, ‘The sheriff just took it away,’” Strozier said. “He asked the deputy why, and the deputy said, ‘Sheriff told us to take them.’”

Hill could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

The Strozier campaign, which has spent an estimated $4,000 on political signs, was told the sign was at the sheriff’s impound lot, and was removed because it was too close to the road.

According to the police report, the BP owner was told the signs had to be more than 10 feet away from the road and the deputy said he was enforcing the county code.

The sheriff’s office does not have a code enforcement unit.

The county police department, which has a code enforcement unit, does a “sign sweep” every day, according to spokesman Tim Owens, removing signs which are too close to the right-of-way.

Witnesses, however, said the only signs being taken by the sheriff’s “code enforcement” detail were the ones promoting Hill’s challengers.

James Morgan, who works at the W.B. Casey Plant in Jonesboro, said he saw a deputy and two inmates removing campaign signs on Flint River Road.

Morgan said they took a number of signs promoting Kem Kimbrough, who’s on the July 15 ballot for sheriff.

“The inmate picked it up and he threw it in the pickup,” Morgan said. “He had big, tall signs and he a lot of little signs in there.”

Morgan said he’s met Hill, and supports a lot of what he’s done in the county, and he is considering voting to re-elect him, but he still thought taking signs was wrong.

“I just don’t think it’s fair,” he said. “Those people are paying for the signs. They have the right to put them out there just like everyone else.”

The Kimbrough campaign and the Garland Watkins campaign both reportedly have pictures of a sheriff’s vehicle loaded down with challengers’ seized signs.

Strozier said he’s heard from supporters that whole stretches of his signs were disappearing and being replaced by red-and-white, pro-consolidation signs.

The signs, saying “VOTE YES TO CONSOLIDATION,” cropped up this week. The signs urge support for the non-binding ballot measure proposing the abolishment of the Clayton County Police Department. The idea of consolidation, which would shift all county-wide-law enforcement to the sheriff’s office, has long been supported by Hill, and was put on the ballot by Kevin Thomas, head of the county Democratic party.

The question is incorrectly written, asking “should the county’s charter be amended,” even though county’s don’t have charters, and it’s non-binding, so it will have no actual effect.

Thomas said the question is a way for elected officials to hear from the public on an important and much-discussed question, though the only official who’s ever publicly talked about consolidation is Hill, who stands to benefit from the proposed move.

Some say the consolidation question is really a referendum, and a vote “yes” is a vote for giving Hill more power.

The five men challenging the sheriff — all opposed to consolidation — say the sheriff already has too much power.

For Strozier, having subordinates take signs is just another example of Hill’s alleged reckless disregard for everything except his own authority.

Strozier spent the afternoon building new signs and attempting to get the one sign returned.

“It’s tempting to just steal his signs,” Strozier said, “but I got too much integrity to resort to that sort of thing.”

By Vote NO TO CONSOLIDATION on July 15!

July 15, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

**OTE NO TO CONSOLIDATION!!

VOTE NO TO VICTOR HILL!!

VOTE NO TO LESLIE MILLER TERRY!!

VOTE NO TO JEWEL SCOTT!!!

VOTE NO TO LEE SCOTT!!!**

By Vote NO TO CONSOLIDATION on July 15!

July 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

**VOTE NO TO CONSOLIDATION!!

VOTE NO TO VICTOR HILL!!

VOTE NO TO LESLIE MILLER TERRY!!

VOTE NO TO JEWEL SCOTT!!!

VOTE NO TO LEE SCOTT!!!**

By taylor

July 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Jr. Its better to be silent and let everybody think you are a Idiot than to speak and remove all doubt.

Please tell me all the good things Victor Hill has done? Only someone that is uneducated and doesnt work or pay taxes would support Him, all he has done is cost the taxpayers money in lawsuits.

So tell me you little welfare baby, what has he done? I will take your lack of response as a lack of a brain.

By taylor

July 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Jr. Its better to be silent and let everybody think you are a Idiot than to speak and remove all doubt.

Please tell me all the good things Victor Hill has done? Only someone that is uneducated and doesnt work or pay taxes would support Him, all he has done is cost the taxpayers money in lawsuits.

So tell me you little welfare baby, what has he done? I will take your lack of response as a lack of a brain.

By taylor

July 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Jr. Its better to be silent and let everybody think you are a Idiot than to speak and remove all doubt.

Please tell me all the good things Victor Hill has done? Only someone that is uneducated and doesnt work or pay taxes would support Him, all he has done is cost the taxpayers money in lawsuits.

So tell me you little welfare baby, what has he done? I will take your lack of response as a lack of a brain.

By Vote NO TO CONSOLIDATION on July 15!

July 15, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

**VOTE NO TO CONSOLIDATION!!

VOTE NO TO VICTOR HILL!!

VOTE NO TO LESLIE MILLER TERRY!!

VOTE NO TO JEWEL SCOTT!!!

VOTE NO TO LEE SCOTT!!!**

By Jr is high on marijuana

July 15, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

JR. does your mommy know your home using her computer. you might want to get her to proof read your post before you hit the post button.

you said “LAST you are a RED NECK if you hope victor Hill get elected”

nothing could be farther from the truth..

By Clayco taxpayer

July 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe people are still saying V. Hill has done alot for this county. Are you kidding me!!! I agree if you are saying that he has cost taxpayers millions of dollars with the potential to cost more.(unsettled lawsuits). He has a backlong of 20,000 warrants that haven’t even been issued (but he wants us to trust him with the police department). The man has no law enforcement experience. No morals. He got into office based on his race and the ignorance of people that voted for him.

People please read and educate yourself on the candidates. I want my home value to go up so I can sell and move out the H#@ll out. =)

If we want change we have to vote for change. Even his own people (black/white) can’t stand him. And they work with him everyday.

And just in case your wondering. I am a Republican “sister”. Right now I’m considering Jack or Kem

By Inside Man

July 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

VOTE NO TO BOB HARTLEY TODAY! NO CLERK O CUORTS

By laughing

July 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

That fat pig Lee Scott looks like he could croak at any minute! Did you see him on TV? He is a disgusting looking person.

By Jaques Wilson

July 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this

* KEM KIMBROUGH FOR SHERIFF *

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Inside Man

Get your facts straight - Bob Hartley isn’t on the ballot.

By gheba'smom

July 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

JR let me get this straight. If I do not support Hill or the Scotts. But Do support one of the other QUALIFIED Black candidate running against them I am a red Neck? What planet are you from? You I am afraid are a blooming idiot who I doubt even is old enough to vote. I think your village is looking for you as they are missing their IDIOT!!!!

By VOTER

July 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

EVERYONE BE SURE TO GET OUT AND VOTE TODAY!! Let’s make sure Clayton has the highest turn-out in the state. No one pays any attention to local elections until it is too late! Let’s show the crooks that we still care about our county!

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 15, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

I voted!

And I am praying for our county…

By WTF?

July 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I voted last Friday & I’ve been saying prayers ever since! Today is make or break for Clayton & I’m praying that residents voted based on nothing else except qualifications! If so, we’ll be okay

By Lady

July 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

I pray that everyone vote. We need this real bad. This whole country is in trouble and so is Clayton. I have been praying all day that everyone do the right thing. Lee, Jewel, David and Victor is a no no for this county. If Victor get out, then Rainwater has to stop him and he need our support.

Let us all pray.!!!!

By You Apathetic Idiots

July 16, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Not meant for anyone that voted (12% turnout) but for the 88% that didn’t. You deserve what you get.

One more chance on August 5th is all there is. Get off your rear-ends and go vote.

By Oh please

July 16, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

The real inside man (or whoever you are)

You always come on this blog, spewing filfth about Bob Hartley. Now, I don’t know what your vendetta against the man is all about, but we have told you before that your posts are offensive. Aside from the person who complained, I also requested that your comment be removed. This is not the venue for that kind of trash. If you want to speak out against Bob Hartley, your freedom of speech allows you that, but please don’t be so disgustingly perverse. Your posts have turned my stomach more than once.

By Among the 12%

July 16, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

I’m pretty happy with the school board elections even though the candidate I voted for didn’t win. I am still concerned about District 3. Jessie Goree is with John Trotter.

Also, I’m upset that Victor Hill got so much of the vote. The people who are voting aren’t paying attention!! Where’s the mole? Can we get a figure on exactly how much Clayton taxpayers are having to pay to settle his lawsuits?

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Looks like I’m going to be voting Republican for the first time in my life come November for Jack Rainwater.

By Post Analysis

July 16, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Shame on you Clayton County!

A 12% Turnout?! This means 88% of you stayed at home! In the midst of all the turmoil in this county how can 88% of the voters stay at home? The run-offs will be even lighter. Thank god that most of the people who will vote will return to the polls. Lets face facts, African Americans don’t turn out for run-off elections so this fact should be good news for Tracy Lawson, Eldrin Bell and Gail Buckner. Victor is in trouble also! Kem Kembough should get enough of the crossover vote to propel him against Victor. The school board race pretty much shaped up as I thought it would. John Askew Mary Baker in the run-off. John should emerge from that one with the Lake Spivey crowd making the difference. Alieka outright winning, that was a no brainer and Ophelia Burroughs will emerge from hers. Linda Miller outright winning was a no brainer as well as Tasha Moseley. Voting population in Clayton County: 68% Black 22% White

But white turnout is around 78% of that 22% Black turnout is around 13%

So the outcomes are predictable.

P.S.

Inside man or whoever you are, why are you so offensive and negative? You can’t possibly be receiving your blessings in life. Find your inner humanity and pray away those demons that consume you and hold you back from success in life.

By Inside man, please stand up

July 16, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

The Real Inside Man is actually Eddie Scott. He is Sandra Scott’s husband. He is upset with Bob and Rosa for starting the Recall Petition against his wife. Sandra is a school board member. Eddie has a personal Vandetta against them. Eddie is also, Raja.

By Oh please

July 16, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

I disagree. Inside man is not raja! Raja is a woman who feels just as strongly about the crooked crook politicians as the rest of us do. Besides, she has never said anything against Bob Hartley especially the sickening garbage that inside man posts.

By Fred Schwartz

July 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

PATHETIC is the only word I can think of to describe the voting population of Clayton County. You deserve what you get! Good Riddance. So long! See ya! FLUUUUUUSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH

By Shame on you!

July 16, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

I can’t belive the citizens of Clayton County! I was deeply disturbed by the lack of participation in the Black community. We are the first ones to cry racism but you sit back and expect someone else to make the change for you. SHAME ON YOU!!! It took all of 5 minutes to vote 5!!!

What happened to all that disgust you CLAIMED you had against the school board?

Now I see why Clayton County is in such a sorry state. To many sorry people have moved into the county and are screwing things up. If you don’t care about the county please leave and go back to Atlanta.

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Actually it may be better that some didn’t show up to vote. If they actually had they could not have been educated on the candidates & would have voted based on race not on qualifiations

By Among the 12%

July 16, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

I’m worried about the run-off elections. Lee and Jewel Scott have to be stopped! Oh, and did anyone hear how the consolidation thing turn out? I really hope that the 50% of voters that voted for Victor Hill didn’t also vote for that scam of a ballot question.

By Just Cause

July 16, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

How can one from the relatively quiet office of Solicitor be voted out but the office with the worst problems and the one who has caused the greatest turmoil and embarrassment still be in the race? I don’t get it.

By huh?

July 16, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

What I really don’t believe is that Lee Scott may be in a runoff with Eldrin Bell? Now I voted for Eldrin begrudgingly, but Lee Scott? Are you people really that blind or is he paying you for your votes?

Lee Scott as commissioner would literally bury this county.

By OMG

July 16, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

I was wondering the same thing(re:consolidation). I voted across party lines to make sure some of these sorry politicians didn’t remain in office. I am still a little concerned about SHORT DOG winning.

By Calling the Master Mole

July 16, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Master Mole,

Can you please find out how Victor Hill did it? There has to be something to this. He is not that popular, or is he? I truly wonder if he pulled inmates out and promised them incentives that if they voted for him and he got at least in a run-off that they might receive special treatment while in his four star facility. He might even let them look at him. Please find out all that you can so we can offset this in the run-off election.

Did Lee and Jewel Scott make promises also? They could have made some promises to some of these criminals incarcerated in Victor’s facilities. Something smells fishy here and I don’t think it’s the drought drying up the lakes.

By Upset

July 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

The consolidation came out NO.

By JohnsonQP23

July 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

All is not lost. Check out the results witn 98% reporting.

http://www.11alive.com/news/politicsgovt/elections/decision2008/july15/clayton.aspx

By Fishy is Right

July 16, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Something does smell fishy. More people voted for the Sheriff’s race than any other race. Even the hotly contested School Board race. Here are the numbers.

Democrat Ballots only counted: DA- 25,870 Sheriff- 26,290 Chairman- 26,055 BOE- 16,462*

Now I do know that only 7 of the 9 seats were up for re-election on the BOE, but the numbers still don’t add up.

The cards casted in the 9th District BOE Ellenwood precint was 710, and the 1st District BOE only had a couple of thousand. With all those added, it still does not come close to what the Sheriff’s race was, and I personally do not see and did not see the Sheriff’s race being more important than the BOE race. It does make me wonder if there is not something funny going on here. He has the ability to gain more votes from the incarcerated. It just doesn’t add up. Sheriff over BOE? That is still less than 20,000.

WOW, Let’s not educate them, let’s just worry about who will be housing them!

By Among the 12%

July 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Johnson,

That’s not a good link. Can you try posting that again?

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this

I think this is the link trying to be posted

By Official Site/Link

July 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

This is the official Election Poll site for Clayton County

http://www.co.clayton.ga.us/election/20080715.htm

By Among the 12%

July 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

The consolidation question results was a lot closer than I would have liked.

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

I agree about the consolidation question. Unfortunately small margin of victory will not stop Hill from revisiting the idea eventually.

But I’m so glad consolidation was defeated in the end, for now.

By GP

July 16, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Clayton county gets what is has coming. 12% turnout for a school board election that should have been the most important in your life? No wonder you’re going to lose accredidation. Parents obviously aren’t involved. WHo are you going to blame this one on?

By Idone Carring

July 16, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

You can’t blame Whitey for this one! Blame your stupid, ignorant selves. You had the chance to get rid of your problems, yet 88% of you decided you didn’t care. We’ll probably be hearing that 88% of you didn’t have a picture ID or something stupid like that. Fortunately, you have one more chance in the run-offs next month. If you don’t vote out the Scotts, Victor Hill, and the rest of the scum that is now in power and helped cause Clayton County to be a 4th world county then you deserve EVERYTHING you get. Maybe the commissioners will sell you out for a 7th and 8th runway for Hartsfield. Just pave over Riverdale, Jonesboro and Forest Park. Couldn’t be worse than it is now. Or you could bring the Olympics there and relocate the scum Atlanta sent there back inside the perimeter. Whatever… It’s just a dang shame.

By catlady

July 16, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Those who voted for V.Hill were those whose whose warrants he has not served.

By catlady

July 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Those who voted for V.Hill were those whose warrants he has not served.

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

We Did It!!! Congratulations Victor Hill and to all who show up at the polls to stand by the people’s Sheriff. There should not be a runoff not when you get over 50% of the vote. The good ole boys are doing there best to stop us from keeping our sheriff in place who is for the people and not for the way things were done. Go Victor Hill, if it is a runoff they want then we will give it to them. Rainwater will turn us back over to the good ole boys. Be careful, we know who really is behind this candidate and Kimbrough’s party is not strong enough to even beat Rainwater. They know this and still believe that Kimbrough deserve a runoff. Do the right thing, Kimbrough do not divide the party. You lost take it like a man. To bad we know you will not. Victor Hill for Sheriff

By Upset

July 16, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Still Victor Hill Supporter. You are an Idoit!! you have no idea what you are talking about. First off, Rainwater is not a good old boy. For your info he is native american You are just pain old black and a dumb one at that.

Oh, by the way I am black to, but not an a* like you are. I look at people for who they are not what they can do for me or what they are. Do your dam homework then come back and make some sense.

You are one of the reasons this race is about color. Vote for whom you may but don’t try and destroy Kimbrough and Rainwater. They have worked hard to turn Victors mess around. I want Hill to come out so that Rainwater can kick his a* and show him he is not all that. Get over your ego self. Better yet, Kem Kind of kick Victors a* also. Stopped him from winning. !!!!!!Go Kem.

By Oh please

July 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Still a Victor Hill Supporter - Will your candidate get around to serving the warrants on the back log before the 2012 elections? Seriously, does the county have to file bankruptcy before the citizens finally get it. Victor Hill is a liability! His continued antics will only cost us more and more. He’s not the people’s sheriff. He is only out for himself!

By Among the 12%

July 16, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

If everyone who did not vote for Victor threw their support behind Kembrough, there is no way Victor will win the run-off. And, if he does and everyone threw their support behind Rainwater, Lil Vic will still go home crying. So, I hardly see a victory in this for him. Victor Hill is threw in Clayton County and Clayton County is threw with Victor Hill!

By Shontavious Johnson

July 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

I b votin fo Massa Vic. He tole me he woodnt surve dat warrent he got on me if Iz jus vote fo him. I uzed my fake id to vote wit. Fo times. My frien vote ate times. He call me and sed if I votes fo him in de runoff he wood stays away from my hood so I can keep on deelin and runnin my hos.

By paranoid or realist

July 16, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

imagine this

A County Chairman, a Sheriff and a third unknown party get together and dream up a way to scam tax payers out of millions of dollars. All they would have to do is dream up schemes to get the third parties to sue them then after the suit is settled they all split the money and sit around talking about how stupid the tax payers are while they are spending the millions.

and to make it seem more real the sheriff and Chairman act like they really hate each other.

By paranoid or realist

July 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

imagine this

A County Chairman, a Sheriff and a third unknown party get together and dream up a way to scam tax payers out of millions of dollars. All they would have to do is dream up schemes to get the third parties to sue them then after the suit is settled they all split the money and sit around talking about how stupid the tax payers are while they are spending the millions.

and to make it seem more real the sheriff and Chairman act like they really hate each other.

By paranoid or realist

July 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

imagine this

A County Chairman, a Sheriff and a third unknown party get together and dream up a way to scam tax payers out of millions of dollars. All they would have to do is dream up schemes to get the third parties to sue them then after the suit is settled they all split the money and sit around talking about how stupid the tax payers are while they are spending the millions.

and to make it seem more real the sheriff and Chairman act like they really hate each other.

By unfortunately clayton resident

July 16, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

If Victor Hill wins, Clayton County will be bankrupt in less that two years, mark my words

By Dixiedarling

July 16, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

Only 12^ of y’all got kids? Or only 12% of y’all care about your kids? The facts are that 88% couldn’t take 5 minutes to vote at all, not even for a BOE member. And that 88% is registered voters, not residents that are even too sorry to register.

By Fred Schwartz

July 16, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Dang paranoid…..Sounds like you might have a great story for a movie. “Walking Small” Chairman in cahoots with a stip club owner and a “small sheriff” run the biggest scam ever, raking in millions of dollars. Story also involved a Developer who gave himslf up over a dirt deal to take the heat off others. While his millions he made by selling a pond with some sand and a stadium to the county for millions more than he paid for it, sit in an off shore bank accruing interest. But that’s another story altogether.

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 16, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Oh I hurt my finger in New York at a Target store; I guess I will sue Victor Hill. The supporters of Victor Hill are not fooled by all of your trumped up lawsuits. Do your homework, most sheriff departments with a population of our size are behind on warrants. So you are not saying much.

Rainwater a Native American, he may need to work on his tan. Regardless he is the choice for the good ole boys’ old way of doing things and Rainwater will give it to them.

No Runoff for sheriff, the majority of the voters have spoken.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

I have been wanting to move out of this God forsaken County for a while and this is the kick in the pants I needed to get me motivated!

Thank you!

By the real G

July 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

To Still A Victor Hill Supporter

“pride comes before the fall”

please remember these words and in the mean time do yourself a favor and shut the hell up!

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Dixiedarling - I’m in that 12% and I don’t even have kids, so that tells you something right there.

By Your worst nightmare

July 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Still a Victor Hill Supporter -

You’re “Still” an idiot I see. The majority of voters did not vote for Victor Hill. The majority of voters voted for someone else. Add’em up homeboy.

By Remember why we are able to be here

July 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Let us not forget for one single moment to why we are able to be here saying all that we want.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/stories/2008/07/14/greenberetdies.html

Master Sgt. Mitchell W. Young, I salute you and your family for your patriotism and sacrifice.

“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived” General George S. Patton Jr.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

more quotes to live by

“Keep doing exactly what you always have and keep getting what you always got”

And to those of you that didnt vote

“All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”

By Link

July 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/stories/2008/07/14/greenberetdies.html

The link did not load properly in the above thread.

By Something Fishy Going On Here

July 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

HMMM, Maybe there was something to the convicted felons who were pulled over by the CCPD and discovered they had names, address, SSN’s and other sensitive information of the inmates, work furlough and weekends in Victor’s jail in the glove box? The Thugs admitted their aunt was Victor’s Assistant in the Sheriff’s office. Maybe Victor offered them some kind of “incentive” to vote for him? But the mere fact that he got more votes than anybody does not pass the smell test.

CCPD needs to look into this further!

By taylor

July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Still vick supporter

Vickturd only got 49% of the vote. That means that 51% of the people out there was sick of his crap and wanted someone else for sheriff.

i’ll make this simple so you can u n d e r s t a n d. basic 4th grade math here…51% would be the majority…49% would be the minority.

but hey thanks for showing us how ignorant you and other Hill supporters really are.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Still vick supporter

Vickturd only got 49% of the vote. That means that 51% of the people out there was sick of his crap and wanted someone else for sheriff.

i’ll make this simple so you can u n d e r s t a n d. basic 4th grade math here…51% would be the majority…49% would be the minority.

but hey thanks for showing us how ignorant you and other Hill supporters really are.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Still vick supporter

Vickturd only got 49% of the vote. That means that 51% of the people out there was sick of his crap and wanted someone else for sheriff.

i’ll make this simple so you can u n d e r s t a n d. basic 4th grade math here…51% would be the majority…49% would be the minority.

but hey thanks for showing us how ignorant you and other Hill supporters really are.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Still vick supporter

Vickturd only got 49% of the vote. That means that 51% of the people out there was sick of his crap and wanted someone else for sheriff.

i’ll make this simple so you can u n d e r s t a n d. basic 4th grade math here…51% would be the majority…49% would be the minority.

but hey thanks for showing us how ignorant you and other Hill supporters really are.

By WTF?

July 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Very true, hopefully that 51% and more will come out on August 5 and finally, take care of business, i.e., put Victurd (I like that!) on the unemployment line or wherever the hell losers like him go to nest.

By Oh please

July 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

Hey you guys,

Please click the post button only once, okay?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By al

July 16, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Are you the AJC web space monitor?

By Oh please

July 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

No. Just asking. If you want to look at the same posts over and over and over, then I geuss go right ahead. Click to your heart’s content.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Sorry, my mouse is set up to double click on one click and when I click and it does nothing I click again and it ends up being a quadruple click…..oh the agony of it all. if i can figure out how to do a half click maybe that will solve the problem.

By taylor

July 16, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Sorry, my mouse is set up to double click on one click and when I click and it does nothing I click again and it ends up being a quadruple click…..oh the agony of it all. if i can figure out how to do a half click maybe that will solve the problem.

By Al

July 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

sorry Oh please,

I couldnt resist

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Thanks for posting Still A Victor Hill Supporter You are living proof that the only people who will support the demented dwarf are so ignorant they can’t see what’s going on right under their noses. Obviously you have no idea about the $$MILLIONS$$ he is costing the taxpayers of Clayton County because of legitimate lawsuits and settlements caused by his determination to take the law into his own hands. I guess you can read since you posted here. Go to the judicial website and read the lawsuits for yourself - not one came from an injured finger at the Target in New York.

Victurd (I like it too!) takes poor, ignorant, uneducated people like yourself, gives them a used cell phone and they think the Messiah has come at last!

The 51% - the MAJORITY - of us who can think for ourselves and see him for what he is (a small, small boy dressed up in a big suit) will throw our support behind Kem Kimbrough and we will have a real election in November - may the best man win. Since we will have 2 real men, we can say that without sarcasm.

Stay tuned Hill supporters, and in the meantime try some crow so you’ll know how it tastes come November.

By lil Vic Big Brother

July 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this

STILL! With all my brother’s white enemies he STILL got 49% of the vote. Kem will be EZ in August. All our loyal Brothers & Sisters will turn out in MASS again. All the LOSERS in this race FANS won’t come out again. We are the Champions “My Friend and We’ll keep on smiling to end!!!!!!

BEWARE: August Landslide is coming!!!

Note: Those PALE people deluded the vote with those flunkies!!!!

By lil Vic Big Brother

July 16, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

Lil Bro Vic, “Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.” Your Character is STELLA!!!!

By ClaytonCountyINFERNO

July 16, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

The apathetic, lazy, crooked, and uneducated citizens of Clayton County who failed to perform their civic duty yesterday will be resposible for destroying this county. They will have BLOOD on their hands for allowing countless SOULS to fall victim to the tragic state of this county’s failed school and legal systems.

My hat is off to all of you who voted. Thank GOD my choice for school board won. I am also very excited and hopeful that my choice for Sheriff, District Attorney, and County Commissioner still have an opportunity to SAVE this county. Let all your friends in this county who claim to care about their community that they NEED to come out on AUGUST 5 for the runoff election.

If Victor, Jewel, Lee and their black MAFIA are allowed to take over this county, Clayton will sink to the 10th level of HELL. Clayton will become the Blackest Hole of the great State of Georgia. I say this metaphoricaly to those ignorant individuals that always think racially. Victor, Jewel, and Lee will make it obvious that anyone with a future in ignorance, corruption, cronisim, black marketiering, liability lawsuits, wastful government spending, juvenile delinquency, home invasion, breaking and entering, larceny, shoplifting, vandalisim, auto theft, DRUG dealing and pedaling, child NEGLECT/ABUSE, RAPE, and MURDER can find a accepting and welcoming environment in Clayton. Let us PRAY that this never comes to pass. Don’t let them turn Clayton into the DEVIL’S playground. I don’t want Clayton to end up like SODOM and GOMORRAH.

Vote COLORBLIND and with your CONSCIENCE!!!

By FYI

July 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

The run off will be on August 5th. If you are planning to support Kem Kimbrough for Sheriff, you have less than 3 weeks to make it happen. Spread the word.

By Upset

July 17, 2008 7:08 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess character leaves Vic out. He has none. Rainwater and Kimbrough are more of a man than Vic ever will be.

Rainwater & Kimbrough, stick together a destroy this little man. I wish you both success.

By AlanS

July 17, 2008 7:43 AM | Link to this

I’m not even going to try to tell you who to vote for but please just do us all a favor and do a little research before you vote on August 5th. Look at track records and references… not faces. Do google searches for the cantidates and you will find loads of information, its real easy.

By Among the 51%

July 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Everyone who voted for someone other than Victor Hill did so because they desperately want him out of office. That same 51% will keep showing up to the polls until we are successful at ending his reign as “High Supreme Authority of All Enforcement Activities in Clayton.” And believe me, there is no racial divide here because we will ALL vote for Kembrough now.

By Nolan Thomas

July 17, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

lil Vic Big Brother -

How “big” can you really be if you’re part of the Hill family? What, are you 5’6” or something? Perception reflects attitude. Attitude reflects leadership. Leadership reflects character. See how it works?

As Nolan Thomas sang, “Yo Little Brother, ya gonna get it from your dad and your mother”. Those my brutha are the voters. It is time for him and his foolishness to go. Time is drawing near. 51% of those who showed up already don’t want him. Blood is in the water, others will show up and this time, there are no lifejackets. You are right, the people HAVE spoken. And they will say it again in August. The same goes for Jewel Scott.

By denzel

July 17, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

Jewel and Lee Scott

http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=23896

By denzel

July 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Jewell Scott

http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=24069

By denzel

July 17, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

Jewel Scott and Victor Hill

http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2006/08/eldrin-bell-vs-victor-hill.html

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Thank you for those links, denzel. Very informative stuff. I think Jewel Scott and Victor Hill are in together deep. Jewel Scott has a back log of cases she hasn’t tried and criminals are getting off. Victor Hill has a back log of warrants that aren’t getting served therefore more criminals getting off. Where is the justice in this county if nothing is getting done?!

By Hill Be Gone

July 17, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

Sheriff Accused of Federal Witness Tampering

The list and shame grows. He transferred a single mother to the graveyard shift because she showed up under subpoena. He demoted many others because they did the same. Hill is a very poor excuse for a man, let alone as Sheriff and leader in this community. Kimbrough will be just as tough on criminals but Kimbrough will also allow those in the Sheriff’s Office to love their jobs again and remember the reasons why they are there in the first place. Hill has made everything miserable there for everyone. We need to attract good deputies to come to this county and keep them here, not make it so bad that they leave. Voters! You need to wake up and realize that it is our Deputies and others at the Sheriff’s Office that are making Victor Hill look good. It’s not him. He’s smoke and mirrors. Kimbrough will make that place right again.

http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=24580

By Black Rain

July 17, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

TO: Dr Glen Dowell

I have seen the results from Tues primary election. Isn’t it nice to have a good friend like J.T. - who can lend a soft shoulder to cry on and help drown your sorrows. This time it was your friends that did you in, Slick. 8% - now that is a hoot.

By Among the 12%

July 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

We still need to be wary of the run-offs for the school board. Jessie Goree is still in the Trotter camp. Unfortunately, district 4 is out of luck. Milton Mack and Michael King are both with Trotter to my understanding.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

Worried about “influence”? It’s Sid Chapman who got the email from the board chairman (posted online) saying “Sid, it’s time to field a new slate of candidates.”

It’s Sid Chapman who then doled out endorsements and $2500 cash in exchange for meetings with candidates to discuss “what role” Sid and GAE will have in making board policy.

It’s Sid Chapman who is doing all of this while earning years in the Teacher Retirement System by not teaching, but sitting in a union office wheeling and dealing.

Who’s the real “influence” Clayton needs to worry about?

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this

Attn: Clayton Parents - Which candidates?

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Can’t remember all the candidates, but Mary Baker was one; and she said that it was discussed what role GAE should play in making policy.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Sid Chapman didn’t bring it up because he doesn’t want to wheel and deal.

Again you have to understand that the administrators who comprise the institutional rot of this “fatally flawed” system are members of GAE, including the GAE president and a member of GAE’s board of directors.

Yet SACS for all of its talk of “outside influences” has said nothing about this.

The public for all its self professed outrage over “outside influences” says nothing about this.

Maybe ClayCo needs to worry about the inside influence. You know, the one who is earning years in the Teachers’ Retirment System by not teaching, but by wheeling and dealing from his union office power base.

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 17, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

Come on 51%!! Let’s show the crooks and crazies in our government that we mean business.

Talk to everyone you know. Talk to your neighbors, talk to people in line at the grocery store, talk to people you work with and go to church with. Tell everyone you know that we’re sick of lawsuits and dirty deeds and incompetence and that we have to VOTE AGAIN on August 5th.

WE CAN SAVE THE QUALITY AND VALUE OF OUR LIVES AND PROPERTY IN CLAYTON COUNTY

VOTE KIMBROUGH, LAWSON-GRAHAM, BELL ON AUGUST 5TH

By ClaytonCounty INFERNO

July 17, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Victor “Lil Napoleon” Hill needs to meet his WATERLOO on August 5. Make it happen!!!

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

So are you saying “Still a Supporter” that if every single person who was legally compelled to testify in the Cassell case was either demoted or fired for giving that testimony, you have no problem with that?

By ClaytonCounty INFERNO

July 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

“Still A Victor Hill Supporter” you are a shameful excuse for a human being slandering a mother like that. I’ll see in your dreams or more likely NIGHTMARES.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

Still a Victor Hill Supporter -

You are as much of an a*******h#le as Lil Vic. My mother was a single mother and had to raise me by herself. Not because of a failed marriage or because she had a child out of wedlock, but because her husband DIED! But that is besides the point, he wasn’t making her do her job! He was punishing her because she didn’t want to perjure herself in a court of law and go to JAIL, you idiot!

By ClaytonCounty INFERNO

July 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

“Still A Victor Hill Supporter” you are a shameful excuse for a human being slandering a mother like that. I’ll see u in your dreams are more likely NIGHTMARES.

By abe

July 17, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

To “Still A Victor Hill Supporter”

Jesse Jackson has a special description for people like you that evidently only he can say anymore and get away with. want a hint what it is? sound like chigger!

By Concerned citizen

July 17, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

People, PLEASE. Forget party, forget race, forget past voting habits! This time, do your research, look at the facts and use your head. If Victor and Jewell are allowed to stay in for another term, this county will be beyond repair. Kem Kimbrough and Tracy Graham-Lawson are both intelligent and very well educated leaders. Clayton County should be proud to have these two to vote for. PLEASE give them a chance. Your property values will reflect the change.

By taylor

July 17, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

Mr. still a hill supporter

Were you severly neglected as a child or something? you come on this forum and say things that even the most hateful, ignorant criminal out there wouldnt even say and i really think you do it just to see if you can get a rise out of people

I really feel sorry for you, get help soon.

By kamakazi

July 17, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Can someone hide the keys to Victurds tank before August 5th?

By Hill Be Gone

July 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Still A Victor Hill Supporter -

Do you even know what’s going on or do you just randomly say stuff? It’s that or he’s bamboozled you too. She was under subpoena. Nothing to do with performance. What makes you so sure she’s not widowed? You don’t know what you’re talking about and playing the guessing game isn’t helping. Hill has very little support from within and it’s been crumbling for awhile. You mention 6 came over. I know multiple times over who work there that want him gone. And they’re speaking with the rest of the community through the polls because like you said - they still have a job to do and don’t need someone like him demoting them or changing their shift without cause just because he’s PMSing or is wanting to cover his tracks.

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 17, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

taylor

Thank you for providing the perfect description of Hill supporters:

“hateful, ignorant, criminal”

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 17, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

To Hill Be Gone

You call her a single mom, not a widower or divorcee, I was only going off what you called her to try and make voters feel sorry for her because she was a single mom. The fact that she is a single mom has nothing to do with the issue of her shift change. So next time, To Hill Be Gone, watch the spin you put on it.

By Vic's New Deputies

July 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Still a Victor Supporter, It is well known why some transfer from CCPD to SO. Victor tells his new flunkies before they are hired on at the SO to apply at the CCPD were they will get a higher civil service pay grade than at the SO. He tells them once they get hired and complete training for them to transfer to the SO and he’ll be their best friend and under civil service rules they will retain higher pay. Victor gets new deputies that he doesn’t have to pay to have trained out of his budget and he gets new flunkies to steal signs, violate citizens civil rights, hide the drug seizure monies in special private unaudited bank accounts, rifle the vending machines in the jail…you get the picture.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Nice how you avoided the issue Vic Supporter. The question is, if every single person who was legally compelled to testify in the Cassell’s case was either demoted or fired, is that ethical behavior?

By Hill Be Gone

July 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Still A Victor Hill Supporter -

A single mother is a single mother no matter how you look at it. The fact of the matter was that your boy put her graveyard with a child at home because she did what the law required. Either your boy doesn’t know his employees or doesn’t care. Next time, get your facts straight before running your mouth and you won’t embarrass yourself. You can spin on that.

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Clayton Parents

No you missed the point, what do her being a single parent has to do with the issue of being demoted. No you missed the point I was making, thank you. Can’t comment on her demotion, she say, he say, they say, maybe the poor job she was going as a CO caught up with her. Maybe she was late to much, couldn’t find a babysitter. I just can’t comment, I have to hear both sides first, unlike the Victor Hill haters.

By Hill Be Gone

July 17, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Still A Victor Hill Supporter -

BTW, take your support for Hill and cuddle with the minority in this county who want him to remain. You know - the less than 50%. We’ll see who gets to celebrate in Aug. Victor may need to cut your grass for money then so let it grow. I’m done responding to your nonsense so adios.

By concerned

July 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

The fact that the single mother testified for someone sueing the SO is why she was moved. She and 6 others. That is illegal retaliation! If she had lied, she would have gone to jail. The SO is in a mess. We need professional responsible leadership. Maybe the PD could run the SO. They could then serve their own warrrents and hire professioanl jail managers. Might save some money and things would get done. Finally, a new DA should be voted in who tries and wins cases and has an impeccable reputation.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

Still a Vic guy -

You are right. Her shift change had nothing to do with her marital status. I applied to work for Vic once (breathing a sigh of relief on that call). Non-deputy employees are required to work 60/20 hour pay periods. They alternate morning and night shift every six months. If it was not her turn to rotate, then it is obvious that this was an attack at her for telling the truth. The only reason he didn’t fire her is because he did not want another lawsuit!

By taylor

July 17, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Kimberly …please start a new blog

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

What if she really did lied on the stand? Who knows if she really told the truth, maybe she wants to get in on the trumped up lawsuits costing our county money. I am just saying could that be a possibility?

By I Like John Askew!

July 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Mary Baker, The BOE candidate in the 6th District Run-Of against John Askew received money from disgraced Ex-Chairwoman Erika Davis for her campaign. This is a fact that is a matter of public record. This does not pass the smell test! Vote for someone who is not tied to the problems of the school board. Vote for John Askew & Charles Davis!

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Still a Vic guy - If she lied on the stand, then why did Hill go out of his way to interfere with her normal scheduling rotation. If she was a poor-performing employee, then why wait until after her testimony to penalize her. His actions just aren’t ethical, and that is why he keeps losing all of these “trumped-up” lawsuits. I mean seriously, has he won even one of them?

I Like John Askew! - I like John Askew TOO! And Charles Davis! Clayton County has made their voices heard. We don’t want anything else to do with unethical, self-serving politicians!

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

It is indeed a matter of public record that Mary Davis accepted a contribution from Ericka Davis; the same Ericka Davis who was head of the GAE majority voting bloc that spent MILLIONS extra in the land deal.

The same Ericka Davis who directed Sid Chapman to “field a new slate of candidates”. The same Sid Chapman who gave money to Davis, and as she herself has admitted engaged in talks with Chapman about “what role” Sid and CCEA will have in making board policy.

Indeed, it does NOT pass the smell test.

By ClaytonCounty INFERNO

July 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

You want to know why these corrupt public officials have power because they are supported by UNCONSCIONABLE individuals that have something to gain because of mutual association to these cronies. There’s a serious problem when their supporters cross paths in JAIL or at their CHURCH.

“Need a job? Masta Lee can hook you up. Got legal problems? Masta Sheriff will take care of you if you pay homage to his throne! Make sure you get on your knees and kneel at his feet before you speak to him “

These people compromise and corrupt people’s SOULS!

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Here is what Victurd Hill has done for Clayton County, and there are a couple of new lawsuits since this list was compiled:

Sheriff not stopping domestic violence Sheriff’s unserved warrants as top problems in the county’s struggle to stop domestic violence. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=24268)

Legal battle, Tuggle v. Sheriff Hill, continues Of the more than 12 federal lawsuits filed against the Clayton County sheriff since he took office in 2005, one of the oldest is still caught in the side-currents of the justice system. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=24146)

Appeals court allows suit against Clayton sheriff (http://news.aol.com/story/_a/appeals-court-allows-suit-against/n20080604193509990003)

Federal judge orders sheriff to stop road blocks A federal judge granted an injunction ordering the sheriff not to set up road blocks. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=24107)

County to federal court: ‘Please stop the sheriff’ The sheriff is out of control, according to a 119-page document filed in federal court. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=24011&SectionID=2&SubSectionID=&S=1)

Fired Sheriff’s chief deputy returns to work The federal suit was filed in November, arguing that the sheriff’s actions violated the First Amendment’s guarantee of Cassells’ right to free speech. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=23885&SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&S=1)

Civil Service Board clears Cassells The Clayton County Civil Service Board has ruled that Sheriff Victor Hill was wrong to fire his former chief deputy. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=23835&SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&S=1)

Sheriff accused of retaliation, intimidation Formal complaint accusing Sheriff Victor Hill of retaliation and creating a hostile work environment. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=23687&SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&S=1)

Sheriff accused of campaign ethics violation Ethics violation: Sheriff Victor Hill accused of paying for campaign billboards with public funds. (http://www.news-daily.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=23635&SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&S=1)

Clayton County Seeks Protection From Sheriff Attorneys for Clayton County filed papers that accused Sheriff Victor Hill of objectionable actions, policies and practices. (http://www.cbs46.com/news/16212526/detail.html)

Clayton commissioners want protection from sheriff’s actions (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/stories/2008/05/08/claycassells0509.html?cxntlid=homepagetab_newstab)

Victor Hill ETHICS VIOLATION Case 2007-0011: A pdf download from the Georgia State Ethics Commission. The Commission staff investigating the complaint determined that Victor Hill improperly used county resources in violation of O.C.G.A. 21-5-30.2(c). (http://www.ethics.ga.gov/EthicsWeb/references/orders/HillV_2007-0011.pdf)

Clayton Co. Law Enforcement Feud Could Hurt Investigations Victor Hill is feuding with other law enforcement officers and this could hamper criminal investigations. (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=C37E46A44FE6C35B32B8310C468B0775?contentId=6169609&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

Business Threatens to Sue Sheriff Victor Hill Another lawsuit that taxpayers will end up paying as a result of Victor’s actions. (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=DDF01FB7786205D81851A191B77F4D2D?contentId=5859041&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

Judge: Clayton firings were out of line Clayton County Sheriff Victor Hill did not have the authority to fire 28 employees, a judge ruled. But the controversy surrounding the dismissals is far from over. Hill has vowed to appeal, and Eldrin Bell, chairman of the Clayton County Commission, fears that legal fees and damages might cost the county as much as $35 million. (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/0305/25clayton.html)

Court: Sheriff’s Firings Unjust The state Supreme Court has upheld a lower court ruling that Clayton County Sheriff Victor Hill was unjust in firing 27 deputies his first day in office. (http://www.wxia.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=76725)

By John Stewart

July 17, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Hey I Like John Askew

You say Mary Baker received money from disgraced Ex-Chairwoman Erika Davis and you went further by saying its a matter of public record? My question for you is what record? I am the State Ethics Commission site to check your claims and guess what???!! No such report !!!!

This smells like Trotter move and trying to attach the Trotter funk to a candidate.

As we used to say back in the day I Like John Askew…….. Show and Proove.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Well, I still like John Askew. I’ve preferred him over Mary Baker since the first forum. John Askew supports transparency on the school board, and we need that now more than ever. The community has to stay on top of their actions now and forever more so that this mess never happens again.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this

John Stewart,

Get ready for show and prove (from the Clayton News Daily.)

In addition to the CCEA contribution, Baker received $150 from former Board of Education Chair Ericka Davis, and $101 from Clayton County Commissioner Michael Edmondson.

“I have known Ericka since she got on the board [in 2000],” Baker said. “We had a rough period there, but I do not blame Ericka for all that has happened on the board. She said she would like to make a contribution to my campaign and I graciously accepted.”

Straight out of the candidates mouth.

Might want to stop focusing on the “outside” influence and look at the inside influence. After all, it’s the GAE President and a member of the Board of Directors who are part of the administrative rot that RUNS this “fatally flawed” system.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

John Stewart,

I am inclined to disagree with you that the “I Like John Askew” personna is Trotter. I might have at first believed it, knowing how much Dowell and Trotter resent her, and I am sure they would rather anyone win besides her win the district 6 seat at this point. However, Charles Davis is running against Jessie Goree in district 3. Jessie Goree has been Trotter-ized, and therefore he most assuredly would have plugged her and not her opponent. Of course, the accusation he makes against Mary Baker I have absolutely no knowledge of, but either way, please do not disregard John Askew because of a possibly fictitious comment made by one of his supporters.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Attn: Clayton Parents - I hardly see how $150 campaign contribution constitutes as influence. It certainly does not look good that Mary Baker is so chummy with former board members, but I do not see how that is unethical or immoral.

By Hey Hey Goodbye

July 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Trotter - Trotter - Trotter

Your newest - great candidate - Dr. Dowell fell on his A$$ on election day. Now we are doomed to see more and more of your vile trashing attacks. You just can not find it in yourself to lose with grace. Be careful. Keep looking over your shoulder.

By Attn: Clayton Parents

July 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

Oh please,

Reasonable people can disagree at to what degree of “influence” Sid and Ericka might have with Mary Baker. But, at the very least as you said, it does not look good to be chummy with Davis; I don’t think it looks that good to be chummy with a union head who is earning years in the Teachers’ Retirement System by not teaching, but wheeling and dealing from a union power base. (Where’s John Stewart’s comment on that?)

Yes indeed there does seem to be a double standard in play: If Trotter had given funds to Mary Baker, endorsed her, and then met with her as to “what role” he would play, the John Stewarts of the world would be screaming from the rooftops.

But when Sid Chapman does it, John Stewart dismisses it as a Trotter plot, and even when irrefutable evidence is presented that it happened, he won’t acknowledge it.

How many MACE members are CCPS administrators, the ones who RUN the “fatally flawed system”? Answer: None

How many GAE members are CCPS administrators? The President of GAE, a member of the board of directors of GAE, and many, many, others.

“Outside” influence? I’m more worried about inside influence.

By Oh please

July 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

Touche(a little doomi-flunky should be over the e) Attn: Clayton Parents!

However, we never hear or see anything about any underhanded dealings by Sid Chapman unless its posted by you. Trotter on the other hand is not so inconspicuous. If Trotter were not so blatant with his unethical actions, he would not be attacked so often. I’m not defending Sid Chapman, but as I said we don’t know anything about him except what you post. Do something to bring his indiscretions out in the open, and then we will have something to talk about.

By HLS

July 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Dead Poet (Attn-Clayton Parent)

Rather disingenuous for you to bring this thought forward after spending the last 2 years defending Noreese and Trotter and the so obvious “influence ” from MACE (Trotter).

Some of us are left wondering - just how may multiple-personalities (medically speaking) that man has. They all seem to come out after he (J.T) has been dissed.

God bless all of you. Hope you start to coagulate soon.

By Mandigo Warrior

July 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

The essence of a self-reliant and autonomous Black culture is an unshakeable egoism. Most Blacks know this, that why the majority didn’t show up to vote; because most Blacks already in office are doing the best they can against Whites in the White Institutionalize System.

Of course, however there are simple-minded Negroes that can’t function without trying to appease the white boys and girls. Negroes like all those dummies in all the recent races for various offices.

They knew they didn’t have a Snowball chance in Hell of winning a seat, all they knew was they were being paid to Dilute the Vote to ensure Strong Blacks wouldn’t win 51%.

The Simple-minded Negroes were bought out by the likes of Buckner and other rich White Cronies ensure the likes of Buckner, Bell, M. Baker, Askew and all the whites had a fighting chance because of the simple-minded Negro love for a Dollar Bill. Now the Whites are hoping all you Blacks stay at home and NOT Vote on AUGUST 5.

SORRY, white boys and girls; THAT WON’T HAPPEN. We see you coming, most of the Blacks that lost the election DESERVED LOSING, they were Lazy, Stupid, Imprudent and wasn’t true to their PEOPLE anyways.

The Whites Tricked You INTO NOT VOTING COLORBLIND NOW THEY’LL LOCK YOUR CHILD UP AND THREW AWAY THE KEY!!!!! VOTE AUGUST 5 TO SAVE YOUR PEOPLE LIVES!!!!

By Power to the People

July 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily error if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master. Negroes like Rod Johnson, Elgin Bell, Bob Hartley, Demont Davis are White Folks Outhouse Negroes. They’ll sell YOU OUT- Steer Clear!!!

By MAIN VEIN

July 17, 2008 6:50 PM | Link to this

“In politics shared hatreds are almost always the basis of friendships.” You can have it all. You just can’t have it all at once. That what I tell Clayton’s Whites. You’ll screw things up its in your nature, then we’ll retake FULLY this the county. A prudent question is one-half of wisdom.

By ThemRealFolks

July 17, 2008 7:00 PM | Link to this

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the CAT that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore. You Negroes now, will learn like the CAT! Ha, Ha, HaHaHaHa!!!

By Tibbs

July 17, 2008 7:42 PM | Link to this

Mandingo Warrior -

Haven’t you used up all of your excuses for failure yet? The only people not true to their people in this county are those in leadership for personal gain and self interests who have no business being there. Which happen to be for the most part what color? And yes, I am a progressive african american male speaking my mind.

I’ve had it with people like you. Our culture always seems to self destruct and most just sit and wait for it to happen cause it usually does. You saw it recently with Jesse. You saw it with Reverend Wright. There are many others we’ve seen it. You’ve seen nothing yet. But I’m trying to not let that happen this election so I must speak up for what is right. It’s not the white man. We move to be with the white man. We move where the white man moves to be like him. To have what he has. As soon as we can, we move to the burbs. His communities are safe and prosperous. Black communities are not. Do you blame us? Many do not even know who their fathers are. Crime, test scores, gangs, drugs, etc. That’s not the white man. That’s us accepting it’s OK and not willing to change that level of acceptability.

The problem is us blacks who cannot stand to see other blacks succeed. We pull eachother down like crabs in a barrel. When one reaches the top, others pull him down trying to crawl over him. The other reaches the top and another holds on and pulls him down. Noone makes it. That’s exactly where you are, but at the bottom of it. Full of excuses, no vision, no hope, nowhere to go. I am past that. This election will change what we have and put those who deserve to be in office there. White or black. Any educated and concerned person in this county who wishes it to progress the other way knows it’s not Lee Scott, Jewel Scott, or Victor Hill who can do this. Getting rid of them also rids our government of those who support them (such as Griswell’s, etc.). Take care of their people? Hardly. They keep us down by promoting that we need to rely on them. The white man knows it and most blacks know it as well. So please stop the excuses of failure and help those from the black community who can later pull many others out and be part of the solution. The people of this county are smarter than “Mandingo Warrior”. But then again, its not hard to be.

By COPY KAT

July 18, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Mandigo Warrior and all of his subsequent followers that usually post are John Trotter. The racial rhetoric that he posts is what he feeds off of to gain control. He tries to play the race card in reverse. I am confident though that most of the community sees through him and his cheap ploys at manipulation. The district 6 election is a prime example of how the community has begun to take account of his exploits. I recommend that you just ignore him.

By HLS

July 18, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

To: Mandumbo Warrior

I rest my case – starting with Mandingo - John T. you rattled off 3 or 4 more personalities in quick succession. But you at least listened to others who told you that you were telegraphing your responses with BOLDED type. The only way you and Lee Scott can have any power is to rally behind racist rhetoric and out-and-out lies. The Black voters have outgrown your divisive mentality. We the electorate of Clayton County have decided to work together for the good of the Students and the Community and the County.

By Mansa Musa

July 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

A message to power to the people, mandingo warrior and others.

Malcom X once said, “By Any Means Necessary”. That statement was in regards to economic empowerment, gaining social standing and civil rights. The call to action is worthless without perseverance, sacrifice, focus, and ACTION. The dismal turnout among the voters in Clayton County is without excuse. If there was any necessary reason for us to vote, we missed our opportunity this past Tuesday Among black voters, the turnout was 12% of the 21% who took time out to vote. The black vote is close to 68% of the voting population. Whites comprise close to 21%. However, Whites turn out in higher numbers in off peak elections (A national trend). The “White slate” fully understood this phenomenon. They have studied it, dissected it and built their strategy around it and, it worked. The reason they were successful is because they banked on low voter turnout. If anyone with half a brain studied the past election numbers in the county and performed a simple precinct analysis, then the numbers would have clearly revealed there was no way for Michelle Thomas to beat Linda Miller in the clerk of court race. Unless something spectacular happened like the February 5th Presidential primary or the November general, the primary would be business as usual. The past four primaries had black voter turnout in the county at 11% to 17% countywide. This past Tuesday had black turnout at 12%. Black voters tracked right on target!

There is a cancer in the black community. Sure drugs, single parent homes, lack of education, are symptoms but the disease is the unwilling desire to unify and strategize for the good of the black community. Sure, we are like crabs in a bucket. As soon as one reaches the top, the ones on the bottom pull them back down. This is why idiots such as mandingo warrior, power to the people and the inside man chastise people such as Eldrin Bell, Bob Hartley and Demont Davis. They fail to understand that in order to compete on a level playing field one must fully understand the game and how can one understand the game if they chose not to play it? Call it apathy, lack of interest or whatever label you chose but 88% of the black voters made a conscious effort not to play the game this past Tuesday. 88% of black voters FACILITATED the “white slate’s win! Whites will win in the runoffs because the 12% of the blacks that did find time to do what their ancestors literally died for will in all likelihood fall to single digits. In fact, if my calculations are correct, expect to see a 7% turnout on August 5th among black voters in Clayton County. The “white Slate” will win by a margin of less than 4% countywide!

The science has been revealed to you. Now let’s look at the emotional factor. Ronald Reagan once posed this question to Jimmy Carter, “Are we better off than we were four years ago?” In Clayton County, I surmise the answer is an emphatic NO! Why? Because the 75% of the voters who chose to stay away from the polls let the very small minority in the county dictate who would enter into office. You see, When Victor Hill fired the Deputies on the first day in office, his political fate was sealed. When Lee Scott claimed Edmondson marched under the Confederate flag his political fate was sealed. When candidates aligned themselves with anyone too far to the left or right, their fate is sealed. This is not a Clayton County Phnom but a national one. The scientific question is why?

Progressive blacks will always be prosecuted and loathed by the blacks who like to claim white oppression and claim benefit by way of the victims’ syndrome. This personality defect is talked about in depth in Karon’s The Negro Personality. You see, it’s factual that the stagnant black will attempt to discredit and destroy the progressive ones. Why in the world would any black call Condalezza Rice a sell out? Why would any black call Colin Powell, Eldrin Bell, Oprah Winfry, Bob Johnson, Bob Hartley, Cathy Hughs, Demont Davis a sell out or Uncle Tom or outhouse Negro etc? Blacks of all socio-economic status should revel in their accomplishments. Can you imagine a Jew slandering Steven Spielberg or Alan Greenspan? I won’t happen. They understand that as the water rises, so do those in the collective boat. Now I interlaced local political up and comers with national ones of prominence to exaggerate a point. My point is this, those of you in this county who use race as your propellant need people who feel the white man are holding them down. You can’t inspire your supporters nor sell your brand of BS unless there is an oppressor and a victim. Case in point, Jesse Jackson’s entire reason for existence is threatened by Barrack Obama. Jesse needs racial division to stay reveal ant to his supporters. But Obama’s doctrin of self reliance and assimilation are contrary to Jesse’s personal motivations. Thus Jesse is relegated to calling Obama a N****. Self hate manifesting among the intelligentsia of black America. On the local level, the accomplishments of Eldrin Bell are overlooked and downplayed by those who need racial division to advance their “black vs. white” agenda. Bob Hartley had black, white, young, old, rich and poor marching with him. His coalition is as diverse as the Garden of Eden. The power of his coalition flexed its muscle this past Tuesday. His candidates won or are in the run-offs. Some like Mandingo Warrior and Power to the People are threatened by the progressive movement and accomplishments of blacks refusing the victim’s role. Power to the people should include all people working together to effect change that will benefit all people of all backgrounds. Unfortunately, most people chose not to flex their muscle on Election Day and this has been the pattern.

There is a new wave of black leadership that is emerging both on the national level and the local level. This new wave of black leadership understands that the politics of racial division harm the good of the whole. They understand that in 2008, racial separation is not as important as personal responsibility, collective unity or the communal mentality. There is no victim if there is no oppressor. The focus is on leveling the playing field so that all can compete equally. They focus on building general consensus for the betterment of the general public. They can care less of the color of your skin. They understand that even though we all came to America in separate boats, we are all in the same boat now. This “new” black consciences is a direct threat to the “old” victims mentality. In their quest to stay relevant, they need to insult, discredit, slander, destroy and maim the “new” black perspective. They don’t know why they do it. It is in their nature, for they are the crabs at the bottom of the bucket

By Fred Schwartz

July 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Mr. Tibbs: FINALLY, someone who actually knows what the deal is. Would you consider running for public office? Until we rid the country of bad influences on our black youth things will not get better. Until we convince the parents to be parents things will not get better. Until we have positive roll models (NOT TI, fiddy cent, tupac, biggy smalls, snoop, and the rest of the thug gangstas)things will not get better. I wish I had the answer. Until Clayton County gets rid of the self serving politicians like the Scotts, Hills, etc. things will not get better.

By Getting Worse for Victor

July 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

It just keeps getting worse for Victor Hill…Federal lawsuit charges 4 Counts: 1. 1st Amendment Civil Rights violation 2. Defamation 3. Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress 4. Obstruction of Justice / Witness Tampering

Read the entire Federal Lawsuit with Amendment at http://www.give-em-the-boot.com/smf/index.php?topic=1547.msg14116#msg14116

By JohnsonQP23

July 18, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

ATTN: BOE DISTRICT 3 VOTERS

Do not be decieved, only Charles Davis has your child’s best interests in mind.

VOTE YES TO CHARLES DAVIS and say no to Trotter!

PEACE!

By Frank

July 18, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Dear AJC, Isn’t there anyway to block Trotter from these blogs? I am sick of reading his mess. He brings his agenda into every blog no matter what the topic is. I am shocked that AJC has not been sued by people whom he has lied about. Please do something to refuse to give this man a place to vent his lies. He has many screen names but when read it is easy to see which ones come straight from him. AJC step up and take control of your paper!!!!

By Billy Gerkin

July 18, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

I don’t think the community is that swift, Copy Kat. Mandigo probably did a good job in stirring up people to come out and vote even though everything he said is a load of horse sh*t. Oh wait, the people who didn’t vote probably won’t be affected by this because they don’t read anyway. Never mind.

By In Awe

July 18, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

A round of applause for excellent reasoning, common sense, and communication! Hats off to you Tibbs! This has to be the most intelligent post in this string!

Thank you thank you!

By raja

July 18, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

I think mandigo warrior could also be Glen Dowell, if not JT. Your attitude is what cause urban decay in every black community. You come to rape the community for your own personal gain.

If anyone expose your dirt you call them a racists or uncle tom, when the problem is really you not them.

Tracey Graham-Lawson for DA/2007 NAACP Trailblazer award.

By R U 4 Real?

July 18, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

Mansa,

You must be here to try to put a spin on the reality of what happened. For you to say what you did in the above thread is extremely self degrading to your obvious brilliance. YOU MUST HAVE AN ANGENDA!! The bottom line of what you just stated is that there is NO white person good enough or better, that was running for office over any black person. You have got to be out of your ever loving mind. Linda Miller was more qualified and runs one of the best offices in the county. Michelle Thomas had no experience… Period!!!! Stop trying to make everything about color and make it about character. Was it not a greater man that stated, “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” and “I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

What is so sad is that I believe more in Dr. King’s speech than you do, and I believe that is shame on you.

By Victor Loosing a Grip

July 18, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Victor Sued Yesterday in Federal Court 17 July 2008 Weddington vs Hill for Violation of 8th Amendment Rights for $200 Million Dollars!

We can’t afford him any longer!

Read the Federal Lawsuit at http://www.give-em-the-boot.com/smf/index.php?topic=1577.msg14117#msg14117

By Oh please

July 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Mansa Musa - Your message is powerful and inspiring. You have slammed the “proverbial nail on the head” across the board. You gave me insight that I had not even considered (referring to Jackson’s remarks on Obama). In this day and age, it is not racism that will be the downfall of our way of life, but the victim mentality. People everywhere of all races suffer from this debilitating disease. Clayton residents, I urge you to set aside self-pity, rise above your stereotypes, break out of the box, and show the crooks that they can’t have it all if it takes away you and your family’s livelihood. Vote August 5th to free Clayton residents from their “political” bondage!

raja - Dowell or Trotter? What’s the difference? They both have the same agenda.

Billy Gerkin - Don’t be such a pessimist.

By Oh please

July 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

I so did not get that from Mansa’s message, R U 4 Real. It was so long, though, that I forgot that there was a point that I disagreed with. No, Michelle Thomas was not deserving of the position Linda Miller holds, and will continue to hold. But, you do have to admit that Mansa makes a very valid point about people staying trapped in the victim mentality, and race-baiters needing racism to continue so they can have a purpose. It made total sense to me.

By Clayton citizen

July 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

GO BACK AND READ THE BLOG SUBMITTED AT 7:42 ON JULY 17 BY TIBBS. IT IS, BY FAR, THE MOST INTELLIGENT PIECE I’VE SEEN ON THIS SITE IN A LONG TIME.

By taylor

July 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Looks like Victor Hill is making a lot of white folks really rich in lawsuits at the tax payers expense. Maybe we should keep him in office and just wait for our turn to sue him then use the money to move!

By taylor

July 18, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

Looks like Victor Hill is making a lot of white folks really rich in lawsuits at the tax payers expense. Maybe we should keep him in office and just wait for our turn to sue him then use the money to move!

By You have Got to be Kidding!

July 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

I heard from a reliable source that was at the meeting Dr. Thompson had to review and provide input on the report that will be presented to SACS that, Dr. Val Lee was talking about H.B. 1302 and asked, “Sen. Davenport, you helped with the bill, too?” Sen. Davenport responded, “No! I didn’t!”

Hopefully, the 30 people in the room heard her comment.

By Oh please

July 18, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Well, Tibbs and Mansa Musa seem to be making the same point to me. Mansa’s is just a little more eloquent and insightful. Or maybe it’s just Trotter again trying to befuddle me with his intellect.

Citizens, intelligence and education is power! Only the truly evil use it to put their own self-serving spin on it. Be wary of all that you read.

By Clayton Taxpayer

July 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

I don’t know how one would figure out the racial makeup of those who voted on Tuesday - makes my head hurt to think about it. All I know is 51% of whoever voted want Victurd out, 59% want Jewel Scott out, and 77% do not want Lee Scott to be chairman of the BOC.

I have become more involved in this local election than I ever have before. I did my research on the candidates, and I am doing everything I can to support my choices in the runoff. Let’s put all the race and politics aside and do what we believe will be the best thing for Clayton County.

Round up as much support as you can for your candidate, donate to their campaign if you are able (I don’t think any of them were prepared for the additional expense of a runoff), request a sign for your yard (and guard it!), get the word out to everyone you know that they MUST vote on August 5th.

Most important - pray, pray, pray, for justice and integrity to return to Clayton County.

By R U 4 Real

July 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Oh Please,

I will step up and say that I was wrong. I did go back and read Mansa’s entire statement.The first time I did stop reading when I got to the part, “They have studied it, dissected it and built their strategy around it and, it worked. The reason they were successful is because they banked on low voter turnout.”

I was insulted on that part due to the fact that I do not conspire with my race, or any other race for that matter, nor do I know of anyone else that does. I truly look at the candidate’s qualifications and whom they are supported by. (Birds of Feather….)

I took the successfull part as meaning unworthy, but because we conspired we prevailed. In Linda Miller’s case, I saw her as being “Most Qualified,” in Mary Baker and John Askew’s case, I do not see that as being so. And before anyone starts screaming, I am not JT or Dowell.

But I will admit it, If that was not how Mansa meant it, then I was wrong and I apologize.

By Oh please

July 18, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Well, Mansa’s point is somewhat biased leaning towards the African American community, but I have ties in both the black and white communities, and therefore can see his/her intent. I saw Mansa as making the point that if blacks are unhappy that a white candidate prevailed that they only have themselves to blame. I didn’t necessarily see that he/she was saying that Linda Miller was undeserving. Also, he continues to support this by elaborating a fundamental point that many African Americans are trapped in a victim mentality that would have in fact been shattered if they stood up for themselves and exercised their right to vote. People like what is comfortable and familiar. It is comfortable and familiar to say that white people keep them oppressed by pushing their political leaders. I believe that what Mansa was trying to say (please correct me if I’m wrong, Mansa) is that the only people who have the power to seat particular politicians are those that take the time to vote, and since ALL American citizens have the right to vote, they too share in that same power.

The statement that most deterred you, as far as conspiracy goes, I felt referred to those with political agendas like the Scotts and Trotter.

I could be wrong, but that is my take on Mansa Musa’s statement.

By Mansa Musa

July 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Oh Please

You Got It!

James Carvill, Karl Rove are Political Scientist. When I say studied it, I’m refering to voting trends, precinct trends, racial makeup, income & education levels etc, etc, etc. These are all relative factors that the Political scientist must consider to select the probable outcome. There is much more to elections than people going into the polls and selecting a candidate. Linda Miller is very qualified and deserves to be re-elected. The point is that some blacks want to call out those who ATTEMPT to inspire voters to turn out black & white and as a reult are labeled Uncle Toms & sell outs. Did you know that if a black child ATTEMPTS to excell in school he is chastised by his fellow black students for acting white! When white children speak with broken english he is talking black. To the progressive black, there is somthing wrong with that picture. Demont Davis, Bob Hartley, Eldrin Bell, Obama and many others suffer from the same chastisment from their own people.

By Black Rain

July 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

At least she told the truth - she DID NOT help with this bill. Sen. Davenport had little to do with H.B. 1302, which sets up an Ethics Commission to oversee the School board. She fought against it - probably because of her ties with the Bad political element in Clayton - you know - JT and LS and even Jesse and the Rainbow. And probably thought the same idea of ethics would spread to all political offices. She was the lone hold-out, delaying it as long as she could. She was dragged, kicking and screaming to the last possible moment before she finally decided to support it. Davenport probably figured it to be political suicide not to do so. Hopefully - the voters will see her for what she is - a self-serving political flunky. If, as she has stated - the children are the most important - why did she fight against the parents and students best well-being on this very important issue?

By Melanie2008

July 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

VOTE for GAIL BUCKNER AUG 5th.

Buckner is the most qualified candidate and you actually see her working in the community, not just on campaign flyers, lol.

Also, she has not received $$$ from Lee Scott et al. Buckner attends school board, church, and community events, community forums, educational events, C4/C3 meetings….etc.

Buckner is involved in Clayton County. When was the last time you saw Davenport at a non-election year meeting? LOL!!!

VOTE for GAIL BUCKNER AUG 5th.

By Still A Victor Hill Supporter

July 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Black Rain is right about Sen. Davenport and bill HB1302. Rep Salaam of 74 did not even sign the bill, then went to the Governor Perdue to ask him not to sign HB1302 because it gave to much power to forces outside of Clayton County, but she says she cares about the kids, seem likes she cares more about keeping power she does not have. Rep. Salaam could not even get the BOE to listen to her, then she acted a fool on national TV, and she still got re-elected!!

By Concerned oldtimer

July 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Gail Buckner has been very involved for over 20 years. She has given time and money to schools (Adamson Middle for one). She attends meetings, votes at each time, has good attendance records, and has been an excellent representative for Clayton. She deserves a good look.

By Concerned oldtimer

July 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Gail Buckner has been very involved for over 20 years. She has given time and money to schools (Adamson Middle for one). She attends meetings, votes at each time, has good attendance records, and has been an excellent representative for Clayton. She deserves a good look.

By dotell

July 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Is it me? I can’t believe all the homeowners, business owners, parents of children in Clayco public schools stayed home on election day. We have school board candidates that won school board districts that have no business even qualifying for an elected position. Does anyone research the candidates they are electing? Candidate Ed Rigdon and C. Denese Sampson were clearly the more knowledgeable candidates and they lost. Mr. Baker doesn’t even know where the state capital is and he won without a runoff. Lee and Jewel Scott in a runoff??? WTF —— CLAYCO WAKE UP!

By John Stewart

July 18, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

To Mansa Musa and Tibbs.

I hope I can articulate my thoughts clearly, but I want to thank you as one African American to another for articulating what many of us in Clayton believe and live out.

Its high time that we dead the victim mentality that so pervades our community. The sad part is that the majority of AA’s don’t see that they are getting pimped and put on the stroll by many of our so called “leaders”.

In the illustrious words of Dap Dunlap from School Daze I say this to AA’s all over these United States…….

I would love to talk to you all further on how culture plays a part in this victim mentality. When I speak of culture I am talking about blacks from other countries ie; The Caribbean, Africa, etc that don’t hold to the same victim mindset.

Let me know if that is something you are interested in.

By Among the 12%

July 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

dotell - I agree with you that Sampson and Rigdon were the better candidates for the school board, but Anderson and Garrett are both upstanding professionals who should do a very good job as well. Unfortunately, there were those who set out to sabotage Ms. Sampson early on by attacking her with the talk of a bounced check. I mean, come on. Who has never bounced a check? I have to say it, one individual I know for a fact was among the Mary Baker camp. I’m not sure exactly how close this person was to Mary Baker, but I heard her at the first forum moving through the crowd singing the praises of Mary Baker one minute and trashing Denese Sampson’s abilities with finances the next.

Unfortunately, Ed Rigdon was his own undoing. As incredibly intelligent and experienced as he is, he came up short with his speaking presence. He just isn’t cut out for politics.

By HLS

July 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Some misguided enthusiastic supporters can make mistakes in judgement. I am sure the Baker campaign had their hands full dealing with Dr. D, to even give a hoot about what was happening in District 7. All-in-all, after David Ashe was gone, Sampson was the best choice.

By CONGO LADY WARRIOR

July 18, 2008 6:30 PM | Link to this

We are made wise not by the recollection of our past, but by the responsibility for our future. It like Blacks having to be 5 times better than whites to play in Pro Baseball, it’s like white importing the New Negro from south of the border to get cheap labor, it’s like white Cops killing a 92 yr. old Black woman in ATL,.

It’s like a White Cop killing an 11 yr old boy in West Memphis carrying nothing but a paper with now and later in it. It’s like Whites Cops killing a 22 yr old Black newlywed at his bachalors party in a hell of 50 bullets, 22yr old was unarmed.

It like the Big Head White Man in Texas killing/shooting 2 black men in the back and THEY ALL walked away FREE or received the same amount of time that a Black Crackhead receive hiding behind a dumpster smoking crack harming no one but himself. Go! ZULU Warrior!!!

By SOWETO WOMAN

July 18, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this

I have learnt that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”There are two ways of exerting one’s strength: one is pushing down, the other is pulling up.” “The world cares very little about what a man or woman knows; it is what a man or woman is able to do that counts.” “One man cannot hold another man down in the ditch without remaining down in the ditch with him.” It’s like Sonny want to pack GUNS everywhere, even the an International Airport. It’s the whites are afraid of the Blacks so they’ll get off like the Big head White Boy in Texas.

It’s like portraying OBAMA and Wife and TERRORIST, but Mansa Musa, Black Rain, Fred Schwartz, HLS, COPY KAT & That Dummy Tibbs want me to TRUTH Them. I don’t think so!!!!

By ThemRealFolks

July 18, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

“Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more of it than the next man. Those punks Think Jesse Jackson and Rev Wright are trying to HURT OBAMA, they have small minds. It’s a concerted EFFORT to get Whites talking RACE.

OBAMA tried to get them started in March but they (the whites) wouldn’t. It’s a masterful, artful, cleaver move to Keep Whites talking RACE something they HATE to do PUBLICLY!!

Clowns like Tibbs and Musa are ashamed of their RACE JACKAZZ. A white man need a Black man to get over his guilt, Tibbs and Musa need a White man to hold his main vein. Stupid is as stupid does!!

By JDR

July 18, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Watch this, zulu, congo, soweto, mandingo, whatever african pursuasion you choose, you coward - hiding behind anonymity. if you were out in the open, you’d bow to the WHITE MAN just like the coward you are, you idiot. come out of the deep, dark, black closet and we’ll see how soon you kick the white man, you blithering fool.

if you’re so dissatisfied with what the white man, et al have done, then why don’t you just take your angry black A$$ to africa where it belongs?

By Black Rain

July 21, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Most of the readers of this blog know that the poster that uses the list of African monikers is none other than our old friend and reprobate, John Trotter. He has spent many years trying to convince black candidates and voters – he was their Great White Hope. Using racial rhetoric and imagery – he led a number of befuddled people into public office. Lee Scott follows that same drummer.

The voters of Clayton do understand that their futures are in their own hands, not in Trotter’s and not Scott’s. Vote on Aug 5 to rid our community of the followers of these 2 charletans. NO to Lee Scott , Victor Hill , Ms. Davenport, Ms. Goree and Mr. Mack.